Appearance of Haplogroup founders

[Unknown European]

I have a question what do you guys think the men who first carried the mutations on their Y-Chromosome that resulted in the haplogroups found in modern day humans today may have looked like. For example what do you think the first men and guys belonging to R1* may have looked like and what they might pass as today and how do you think they could be classified :confused:

[Rethel]

the first men and guys belonging to R1* may have looked like and what they might pass as today and how do you think they could be classified :confused:

R1 or R*, it is hg of Japheth, and he probably looked just like average northern European, otherwise,
his descendants rather wouldn't be fair, as today they are not on the south, in Latin America, in parts
of Africa, in India aso - there, were they mixed with other races, which were phenotypically dominant.
So, the obvious conclusion is, that he had to look like northerner, and his wife too.
Btw, according to the legends not only he was fair, but also his father was very light.

More: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/32766e_5c5352b4de684890b085b230859bf89c~mv2.png/v1/fit/w_612%2Ch_380%2Cal_c%2Cq_80/file.png
I would change here only I and maybe C for more dark people.
At the time, there were no accurate pictures. But now they are.

Beneath my guess how founding forefathers of main hgs could look like.
The least I am sure of the T, as it is not known what this people actually
were - could be something between this and Middle Eastern type.
I divided the R1 only, becasue I needed a parity number. :)

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[Radimir]

The father of R1

https://coolmenshair.com/wp-content/uploads/2.-Gai-Tsutsugami-long-hair-anime-guy.jpg

Every other haplogroup's forefather

https://thebarchive.com/data/b/image/1597/52/1597523345887.jpg

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Every Eurasian group is a product of CT and CT looked like Barack Obama dipped in dark chocolate.

[Rethel]

Every Eurasian group is a product of CT and CT looked like Barack Obama dipped in dark chocolate.

In this case better is talking about first man ever, but it is was not the question, which OP stated.

Btw, majority of basic haplrotree is just a mess, so I wouldn't be
so sure, that CT is ancestral to anyone, maybe except of C and T.

How massed it is, shows the fact, that E, J and R should be descendned from
one common ancestor of all humankind in +/- equal manner. They're don't.
A-D should be even lower in this scheme, so, don't put so much trust in it.

[Ygsi]

R1 or R*, it is hg of Japheth, and he probably looked just like average northern European, otherwise,
his descendants rather wouldn't be fair, as today they are not on the south, in Latin America, in parts
of Africa, in India aso - there, were they mixed with other races, which were phenotypically dominant.
So, the obvious conclusion is, that he had to look like northerner, and his wife too.
Btw, according to the legends not only he was fair, but also his father was very light.

More: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/32766e_5c5352b4de684890b085b230859bf89c~mv2.png/v1/fit/w_612%2Ch_380%2Cal_c%2Cq_80/file.png
I would change here only I and maybe C for more dark people.
At the time, there were no accurate pictures. But now they are.

Beneath my guess how founding forefathers of main hgs could look like.
The least I am sure of the T, as it is not known what this people actually
were - could be something between this and Middle Eastern type.
I divided the R1 only, becasue I needed a parity number. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=103671&d=1605139254
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Lol at I.

[Ygsi]

R1 or R*, it is hg of Japheth, and he probably looked just like average northern European, otherwise,
his descendants rather wouldn't be fair, as today they are not on the south, in Latin America, in parts
of Africa, in India aso - there, were they mixed with other races, which were phenotypically dominant.
So, the obvious conclusion is, that he had to look like northerner, and his wife too.
Btw, according to the legends not only he was fair, but also his father was very light.

More: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/32766e_5c5352b4de684890b085b230859bf89c~mv2.png/v1/fit/w_612%2Ch_380%2Cal_c%2Cq_80/file.png
I would change here only I and maybe C for more dark people.
At the time, there were no accurate pictures. But now they are.

Beneath my guess how founding forefathers of main hgs could look like.
The least I am sure of the T, as it is not known what this people actually
were - could be something between this and Middle Eastern type.
I divided the R1 only, becasue I needed a parity number. :)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=103671&d=1605139254
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Lol at I.

[Token]

R1 or R*, it is hg of Japheth, and he probably looked just like average northern European, otherwise,
his descendants rather wouldn't be fair, as today they are not on the south, in Latin America, in parts
of Africa, in India aso - there, were they mixed with other races, which were phenotypically dominant.
So, the obvious conclusion is, that he had to look like northerner, and his wife too.
Btw, according to the legends not only he was fair, but also his father was very light.

More: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/32766e_5c5352b4de684890b085b230859bf89c~mv2.png/v1/fit/w_612%2Ch_380%2Cal_c%2Cq_80/file.png
I would change here only I and maybe C for more dark people.
At the time, there were no accurate pictures. But now they are.

Beneath my guess how founding forefathers of main hgs could look like.
The least I am sure of the T, as it is not known what this people actually
were - could be something between this and Middle Eastern type.
I divided the R1 only, becasue I needed a parity number. :)

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"Muh R1 Vikingzzzzzzzzzzz"
Reality: Vikings 70% I1

[Rethel]

"Muh R1 Vikingzzzzzzzzzzz"
Reality: Vikings 70% I1

:picard2: :coffee:

[Norb]

"Muh R1 Vikingzzzzzzzzzzz"
Reality: Vikings 70% I1

Vikings I1, Anglo-Saxons R1 :rolleyes:

[Rethel]

Vikings I1

It is obviously not true what he said, and in addition, he didn't understand neither what this thread is about, neither what I was talking about.

[PaulieVanZant]

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Haha, still rockin the R1b. But for origins on that, look up Stonehenge man.

[Ygsi]

Vikings I1, Anglo-Saxons R1 :rolleyes:

The territory where Denmark is located today was most likely visibly more R1b than I1 about 2000 years ago, before the movement of Anglo-Saxo-Jutes to present day England.

[Ygsi]

It is obviously not true what he said, and in addition, he didn't understand neither what this thread is about, neither what I was talking about.

Yeah, but portraying the forefather of hg I as an SSA is a bit bs. Even when the CMs arrived in Europe about 40-45k years ago, they didn't look like black people, that's for sure. Unless you believe the bs propaganda that people like the Cheddar Man had black skin. Of course, the early CMs were a bit darker than Europeans of today, but they weren't black, so therefore the I1 originator was definitely not some SSA.

[Rethel]

More: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/32766e_5c5352b4de684890b085b230859bf89c~mv2.png/v1/fit/w_612%2Ch_380%2Cal_c%2Cq_80/file.png
I would change here only I and maybe C for more dark people.
At the time, there were no accurate pictures. But now they are.

Now I see the error. The link obviously is wrong.
IT SHOULD BE THIS: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?227694-SEVEN-TRIBES-OF-EUROPE

[Ygsi]

It is obviously not true what he said, and in addition, he didn't understand neither what this thread is about, neither what I was talking about.

Yeah, but portraying the forefather of hg I as an SSA is a bit bs. Even when the CMs arrived in Europe about 40-45k years ago, they didn't look like black people, that's for sure. Unless you believe the bs propaganda that people like the Cheddar Man had black skin. Of course, the early CMs were a bit darker than Europeans of today, but they weren't black, so therefore the I1 originator was definitely not some SSA.