French Bronze and Iron Age G25 samples

[J. Ketch]

Courtesy of Davidski and Peterski who sent the files. Compare yourself to them, or with other components.


FRA_BA:BIS130,0.12862,0.133034,0.044123,0.037791,0 .050779,0.011992,-0.002585,-0.005769,-0.006545,0.003462,-0.009094,0.000599,-0.01888,-0.011973,0.020358,0.017502,0.015907,0.002407,0.005 154,0.01013,0.017968,0.008779,-0.005916,-0.008073,-0.01904
FRA_BA:BIS385,0.122929,0.125926,0.068259,0.032623, 0.023081,0.021196,-0.003055,-0.002769,0.016566,0.006743,-0.000974,0.007793,-0.004311,-0.015964,0.021444,0.006762,-0.000391,-0.007855,-0.001257,0.014007,0.008984,0.006554,0.000123,-0.007591,-0.005628
FRA_BA:EUG11,0.130897,0.151314,0.065996,0.015827,0 .070167,-0.004183,-0.00705,0.010615,0.026997,0.038999,-0.009256,-0.000599,-0.023191,-0.013074,-0.001493,0.004375,0.011995,0.008995,0.003394,0.005 628,0.010856,-0.002597,-0.004314,-0.013014,0.018801
FRA_BA:NIED,0.130897,0.121864,0.049026,0.007429,0. 045239,0.013666,-0.002115,0.006692,0.030883,0.043919,-0.015589,0.010191,-0.02557,-0.03592,-0.000679,0.00769,0.008214,-0.005321,0.009302,0.013882,0.003993,0.01286,-0.002835,-0.01446,-0.003832
FRA_BA:OBE3626-1,0.134311,0.120848,0.06939,0.060078,0.031698,0.01 7012,0.00376,0.002538,0.00225,-0.004738,0.002598,0.012889,-0.007136,-0.023671,0.018594,0.015778,0.011083,-0.001394,-0.001257,0.01113,0.00836,0.007296,0.000863,0.00277 1,0.007185
FRA_BA:OBE3722,0.133173,0.126941,0.056191,0.065246 ,0.016003,0.030678,-0.005875,-0.005077,-0.001432,-0.004009,-0.003573,0.014387,-0.009217,-0.00523,0.028501,-0.001458,-0.012126,0,0.00088,0.002751,-0.000499,-0.009027,0.003204,0.014219,-0.011735
FRA_BA:PIR3116B,0.129758,0.133034,0.054305,0.03746 8,0.047086,0.01255,0.007285,-0.010846,0.004704,0.019864,-0.004222,0.014387,-0.029583,-0.022295,0.012351,0.022408,0.01004,-0.000127,-0.007165,0.017759,0.007362,0.006925,-0.018487,-0.011447,-0.00934
FRA_BA:PSS4170,0.127482,0.141159,0.056191,0.017442 ,0.058165,0.008088,-0.001645,0,0.025361,0.023144,-0.008931,0.004646,-0.02215,-0.00523,0.016151,0.004375,0.000522,0.006334,0.0055 31,0.009505,0.015847,0.004451,-0.015776,-0.009881,-0.01437
FRA_BA:QUIN58,0.117238,0.144205,0.058454,0.01292,0 .062781,0.008088,0.013161,-0.006461,0.03027,0.03426,0.003248,0.005995,-0.005946,-0.016515,0.015879,0.001061,-0.003781,0.006714,0.00088,-0.009129,0.006114,0.004822,-0.005546,-0.020485,-0.015687
FRA_BA:QUIN234,0.132035,0.15436,0.045632,0.009367, 0.06155,0.002231,0.015276,0.016845,0.034565,0.0677 92,0.005846,-0.006145,-0.019921,0.002202,-0.0095,0.002519,0.00352,0.006588,-0.00264,-0.003001,0.017344,0.017188,-0.002958,-0.017713,0.008861
FRA_BA:RIX2,0.135449,0.140143,0.052043,0.02584,0.0 397,0.01004,-0.0094,0.004384,0.01943,0.025878,-0.001137,0.004646,-0.011447,-0.004404,0.009772,-0.016309,-0.013038,0.00266,0.008422,0.000375,0.014599,0.0018 55,-0.005546,-0.007591,0.003832
FRA_BA:RIX4,0.125205,0.141159,0.057322,0.02907,0.0 40623,0.01757,0.00376,0.008307,0.009204,0.018588,-0.004384,-0.000599,-0.011744,-0.020643,0.013165,0.006099,0.011343,0.012922,-0.006913,-0.000125,0.010856,0.002102,-0.006162,0.005904,-0.012933
FRA_BA:RIX15,0.129758,0.135065,0.048271,0.036822,0 .039392,0.022032,0.009165,0.004384,0.019225,0.0297 04,0.006008,0.012889,-0.014717,-0.010459,0.0076,0.011535,-0.007562,0,0.014455,0.010005,0.006988,-0.006677,-0.001725,-0.007471,0.001796
FRA_BBC:CBV95,0.137726,0.114755,0.047894,0.085918, 0.019388,0.037929,-0.000235,0.004846,-0.026384,-0.032074,0.01088,0.003297,-0.001933,-0.015827,0.03868,-0.001591,-0.007953,-0.000507,-0.003645,0.003377,0.001622,-0.007419,0.005793,0.009278,-0.005029
FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.0 38776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636, 0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0 .047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0. 037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010 106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584, 0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015 126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0 .040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0 .033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
FRA_IA:ERS1164,0.124067,0.121864,0.052797,0.030039 ,0.033237,0.010877,0.011516,0.00923,0,0.019135,-0.002598,-0.01154,-0.01115,-0.012799,0.009908,0.006364,-0.002738,0.00038,0.001257,-0.004627,-0.007487,0.003957,0.002218,-0.011809,0.005389
FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023


Distance to: Creoda_scaled
0.03758754 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.03898210 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03962153 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04683558 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04711606 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04748096 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05095611 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05259180 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.05265475 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.05703536 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05761552 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05794978 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05843871 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05987568 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05998907 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06450740 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.06559821 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06785676 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.06786861 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.07073703 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07375559 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07631333 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07965999 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.08117989 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.08645350 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08704206 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.09040619 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.09145847 FRA_BA:NIED
0.11153148 FRA_BA:QUIN234



Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.03392755 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.04085247 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.04294069 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.04297509 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04483843 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04499918 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04528567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.04565149 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04866018 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.05040064 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05040085 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05043389 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.05118131 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05200676 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.05487960 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.05610672 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.05882623 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.06287199 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.06422862 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06620722 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06996495 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.07447331 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07632385 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07839776 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.07891873 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.07968340 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.08135677 FRA_BA:NIED
0.08355852 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.10757100 FRA_BA:QUIN234


Iron Age Gauls look basically like modern French, unsurprisingly, with a few exceptions.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpmDJwnj/newplot1605.png

[Impaler]

Distance to: Impaler_scaled
0.07206865 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.07699908 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.07708945 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08215317 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.08305929 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.08436695 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.08473154 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.08486611 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.08555072 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.08596583 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.08647712 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08800765 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.08883792 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.09165939 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.09420452 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.09463120 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.09560169 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.09626386 FRA_IA: PEY53
0.09661284 FRA_BA:NIED
0.09755082 FRA_BA: PSS4170
0.09755548 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.09818204 FRA_IA:COL11
0.09875286 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.10079417 FRA_BA: PIR3116B
0.10267911 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1

[gixajo]

Courtesy of Davidski. Compare yourself to them, or with other components.


Iron Age Gauls look basically like modern French, unsurprisingly, with a few exceptions.

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Where are those samples exactly from?

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8864% / 0.01886408
66.6 FRA_IA
33.4 FRA_BA

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.04200209 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.04208286 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.04212763 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04416381 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.04483023 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.04882272 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05128186 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05148714 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05272917 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05463584 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05512703 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.05680948 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05777048 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.05940530 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06027696 FRA_BA:NIED
0.06212623 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06278213 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06312113 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.06514910 FRA_BA:QUIN234
0.06567193 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06613962 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.06901766 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.06938475 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07325309 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.07652085 FRA_IA:BES1248

[Samnium]

There's an "Irish" like outlier and some that are very Iberian/North Italian shifted.

[gixajo]

The unscaled ones...

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.0457% / 0.01045724
68.6 FRA_IA
31.4 FRA_BA

Distance to: gixajo
0.02298913 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.02512210 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.02569144 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.02589054 FRA_BASS4170
0.02612489 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.02797302 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.02805192 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.02946150 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.02966294 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.03012009 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.03040148 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.03148587 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.03319488 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.03394142 FRA_IAEY53
0.03488381 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.03531048 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.03559775 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.03602929 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03636262 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.03676833 FRA_BA:NIED
0.03686719 FRA_BAIR3116B
0.03694658 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.03846011 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.03916363 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04124718 FRA_BA:BIS130

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.4808% / 0.02480786
88.2 FRA_IA
11.8 FRA_BA

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.04158558 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.04480494 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04898375 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05052399 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05100620 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05106331 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05459746 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05523391 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05582632 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05628495 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.05635380 FRA_BA:NIED
0.05679159 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.05922078 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05936423 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.06329703 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.06362769 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.06377488 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.06631702 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06806703 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.06821513 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.06866323 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07183678 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.07277212 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07854891 FRA_IA:COL11
0.07894673 FRA_IA:BES1248

[gixajo]

There's an "Irish" like outlier and some that are very Iberian/North Italian shifted.

I saw you like to visit our Spanish genetics thread Samnium!

[gixajo]

There's an "Irish" like outlier and some that are very Iberian/North Italian shifted.

Are you insinuating that ancient Gauls were Iberian/North Italian shifted?:picard1:

[J. Ketch]

Where are those samples exactly from?

Presumably the genetically Northern ones are from Northern France, and the genetically southern ones are from South/Central France.

Distance to: FRA_IA:PEY53
0.03881203 French_Brittany
0.03915657 Welsh
0.04003808 Orcadian
0.04024703 English_Cornwall
0.04038088 English
0.04119355 Belgian
0.04129341 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04222878 Scottish
0.04241259 French_Nord
0.04273763 Irish
0.04366577 Swiss_German
0.04401338 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04498929 French_Alsace
0.04511139 French_Paris
0.04578932 German
0.04590288 French_Occitanie
0.04668598 Afrikaner
0.04676723 Danish
0.04709341 Dutch
0.04793456 Shetlandic

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR4
0.04188648 Spanish_Castello
0.04335973 Spanish_Lleida
0.04349226 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04396990 Spanish_Girona
0.04424385 Spanish_Baleares
0.04442904 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04469384 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04490519 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04493470 French_South
0.04517417 French_Auvergne
0.04519070 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04554958 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04563261 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04563963 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04572791 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04605775 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04715861 Spanish_Penedes
0.04733316 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04760779 French_Occitanie
0.04763895 Swiss_French

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.03898360 French_Occitanie
0.04213436 French_Auvergne
0.04235524 French_Nord
0.04347593 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04370320 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04459069 French_Alsace
0.04462944 Swiss_German
0.04482533 Belgian
0.04509678 French_Paris
0.04603644 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04615501 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04621228 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04623773 French_South
0.04680472 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04705917 Spanish_Penedes
0.04706673 French_Brittany
0.04720048 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04749900 Spanish_Asturias
0.04803007 Spanish_Lleida
0.04850722 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.03748445 French_Brittany
0.03748697 Orcadian
0.03798859 Welsh
0.03827827 English_Cornwall
0.03918293 English
0.03992425 Scottish
0.04015620 Irish
0.04400058 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04403351 French_Nord
0.04418190 Belgian
0.04499459 Afrikaner
0.04544937 German
0.04558234 Shetlandic
0.04614806 Dutch
0.04648678 Icelandic
0.04666967 Swiss_German
0.04712600 Danish
0.04749406 French_Alsace
0.04789976 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04910241 French_Paris

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.03967586 Swiss_French
0.04143876 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04188199 Spanish_Girona
0.04213160 Spanish_Penedes
0.04322954 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04335986 French_Auvergne
0.04336142 French_Provence
0.04369928 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04386995 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04490463 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04492482 Spanish_Baleares
0.04554912 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04579911 Spanish_Lleida
0.04626255 Spanish_Soria
0.04627296 Spanish_Castello
0.04656122 French_Occitanie
0.04677165 Italian_Northeast
0.04798689 Italian_Veneto
0.04855138 Spanish_Alacant
0.04869249 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Distance to: FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.03069675 French_Occitanie
0.03202054 French_Nord
0.03278329 French_Auvergne
0.03319454 Swiss_German
0.03391352 Belgian
0.03426380 French_Paris
0.03432754 French_Alsace
0.03542313 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03856282 Swiss_French
0.03928011 French_Brittany
0.03978582 Spanish_Penedes
0.04004917 Afrikaner
0.04136232 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04144509 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04169249 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04176793 French_Provence
0.04217875 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04274002 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04302541 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04317535 Spanish_Mallorca

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.03842737 Belgian
0.03864913 Austrian
0.03887776 French_Nord
0.03942483 French_Alsace
0.03973001 Afrikaner
0.04103911 Swiss_German
0.04162804 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04210408 German
0.04276791 French_Paris
0.04341187 French_Brittany
0.04351379 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04478362 French_Occitanie
0.04501586 Hungarian
0.04666397 French_Auvergne
0.04689018 Welsh
0.04772690 Dutch
0.04801167 Swiss_French
0.04859174 English
0.04916193 Croatian
0.04931902 Scottish

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS88
0.03688353 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03778488 Spanish_Penedes
0.03888173 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03980670 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03986852 Spanish_Aragon
0.03989020 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03990027 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04002123 Spanish_Lleida
0.04018300 French_Auvergne
0.04021700 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04021757 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04028823 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04037679 French_Occitanie
0.04085638 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04103481 Spanish_Valencia
0.04108524 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04144234 Spanish_Girona
0.04152490 Spanish_Galicia
0.04177993 Swiss_French
0.04183508 French_Provence

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS86
0.04312632 French_Alsace
0.04359020 French_Nord
0.04398125 Swiss_German
0.04431344 French_Occitanie
0.04481962 French_Auvergne
0.04574098 French_Paris
0.04684031 Swiss_French
0.04698447 Belgian
0.04707363 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04800701 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04893354 French_Provence
0.04977565 German
0.05056922 Austrian
0.05083984 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05210426 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05211149 Spanish_Penedes
0.05233940 Italian_Northeast
0.05260982 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05289509 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05293644 French_Brittany

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153i
0.04852547 French_Occitanie
0.04937277 French_Auvergne
0.05128311 Spanish_Aragon
0.05140212 Swiss_German
0.05170334 Spanish_Penedes
0.05172261 French_South
0.05176098 Spanish_Lleida
0.05177723 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05195469 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05251741 Spanish_Pirineu
0.05252143 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05304586 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05338179 French_Paris
0.05344485 Swiss_French
0.05358589 Spanish_Asturias
0.05373942 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05376031 Spanish_Girona
0.05391168 Spanish_Castello
0.05394889 Spanish_Valencia
0.05406722 Spanish_Mallorca

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153A
0.04724935 French_Alsace
0.04802929 French_Nord
0.04819005 Austrian
0.04873146 Swiss_German
0.05072783 Slovenian
0.05073315 French_Occitanie
0.05086517 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05088787 French_Auvergne
0.05173251 Croatian
0.05208643 Montenegrin
0.05243824 German
0.05293064 Belgian
0.05311111 Italian_Northeast
0.05347774 Hungarian
0.05349529 Swiss_French
0.05361312 Serbian
0.05405254 Bosnian
0.05442386 French_Paris
0.05468395 German_East
0.05510492 French_Provence

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03653589 Orcadian
0.03771762 Icelandic
0.03823043 Scottish
0.03847174 English_Cornwall
0.03900690 Welsh
0.03992170 Dutch
0.04004288 English
0.04005619 Irish
0.04052903 Danish
0.04105056 Swedish
0.04126025 Afrikaner
0.04155541 French_Brittany
0.04221114 Norwegian
0.04233944 Shetlandic
0.04347271 German
0.04407378 German_East
0.05016857 Belgian
0.05078595 Czech
0.05109469 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05138337 French_Nord

Distance to: FRA_IA:BFM265
0.02840071 English_Cornwall
0.02863327 French_Brittany
0.03027312 Welsh
0.03028004 French_Nord
0.03070740 Belgian
0.03160387 English
0.03274364 Orcadian
0.03331755 French_Paris
0.03345323 Afrikaner
0.03371018 French_Alsace
0.03395046 Scottish
0.03407937 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03447603 Swiss_German
0.03458746 German
0.03583111 Irish
0.03611764 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03664091 French_Occitanie
0.03670810 Danish
0.03752670 Dutch
0.04053347 French_Auvergne

Distance to: FRA_IA:BES1248
0.04118342 English
0.04153305 French_Brittany
0.04211966 Scottish
0.04223124 Orcadian
0.04265920 Welsh
0.04298250 Dutch
0.04318286 Icelandic
0.04362515 Irish
0.04367216 German
0.04380045 English_Cornwall
0.04382113 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04429323 Norwegian
0.04449104 Afrikaner
0.04531309 Swedish
0.04637138 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04673323 Shetlandic
0.04719627 Belgian
0.04918352 Danish
0.05024880 French_Nord
0.05100872 French_Alsace

Distance to: FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04336600 French_Paris
0.04364363 Belgian
0.04454916 Swiss_German
0.04473450 Afrikaner
0.04494822 French_Nord
0.04648977 French_Occitanie
0.04663604 French_Alsace
0.04718789 Swiss_French
0.04777300 French_Auvergne
0.04786904 French_Brittany
0.04976352 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05017096 Welsh
0.05064177 German
0.05151840 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05166507 French_Provence
0.05217896 English_Cornwall
0.05334733 Austrian
0.05366142 Dutch
0.05373418 English
0.05398231 Spanish_Penedes

[Samnium]

Distances to samples :



Distance to: FRA_BA:BIS130
0.04459186 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04989294 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05077714 Belgian
0.05127513 French_Brittany
0.05147593 German
0.05188417 Welsh
0.05193963 French_Nord
0.05216788 Afrikaner
0.05220379 Swiss_German
0.05263743 French_Paris
0.05350015 French_Alsace
0.05401504 English
0.05432967 Dutch
0.05464103 Orcadian
0.05490277 Scottish
0.05569580 English_Cornwall
0.05570839 Irish
0.05612669 Swiss_French
0.05650147 Austrian
0.05738716 French_Occitanie
0.05854061 Danish
0.05883111 French_Auvergne
0.05982782 Norwegian
0.06002263 Shetlandic
0.06078903 Icelandic

Distance to: FRA_BA:BIS385
0.04083065 Afrikaner
0.04091780 French_Brittany
0.04105905 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04288707 Welsh
0.04341424 Orcadian
0.04427655 English
0.04440182 Scottish
0.04447265 German
0.04494574 French_Nord
0.04498226 Belgian
0.04510241 Dutch
0.04575384 English_Cornwall
0.04635414 Irish
0.04670101 Norwegian
0.04728143 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04777329 French_Alsace
0.04830128 Icelandic
0.04867291 Austrian
0.04897247 French_Paris
0.04969908 Swedish
0.05061123 Shetlandic
0.05068168 Swiss_German
0.05104210 Danish
0.05322832 French_Occitanie
0.05469183 French_Auvergne

Distance to: FRA_BA:EUG11
0.04229515 Basque_Spanish
0.04459957 Basque_French
0.04462986 French_South
0.04729836 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04760338 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.05034032 Spanish_Castello
0.05128649 Spanish_Soria
0.05135298 Spanish_Pirineu
0.05158178 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05177373 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05226030 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05318290 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05381865 French_Occitanie
0.05388753 Spanish_Lleida
0.05422893 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05478310 French_Auvergne
0.05528533 Spanish_Penedes
0.05528630 Spanish_Valencia
0.05575668 Spanish_Navarra
0.05591103 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05612891 Spanish_Aragon
0.05658389 Spanish_Girona
0.05703000 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05950923 Spanish_Mallorca
0.05961132 Spanish_Murcia

Distance to: FRA_BA:NIED
0.04527245 Spanish_Soria
0.04702389 French_South
0.05105095 Spanish_Castello
0.05354441 Basque_Spanish
0.05367819 Spanish_Pirineu
0.05420896 Spanish_Girona
0.05467167 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05481605 Spanish_Lleida
0.05519228 Spanish_Penedes
0.05526096 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05533661 Spanish_Aragon
0.05563281 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05607140 Spanish_Valencia
0.05647386 Spanish_Navarra
0.05667574 Basque_French
0.05690932 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05699373 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.05716456 French_Auvergne
0.05719108 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05750249 Swiss_French
0.05794884 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05795866 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05808928 Spanish_Baleares
0.05853766 French_Occitanie
0.05872276 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.03481803 Norwegian
0.03947094 Swedish
0.03982381 Icelandic
0.04225390 Dutch
0.04254980 Irish
0.04275268 Shetlandic
0.04282924 Scottish
0.04312885 Orcadian
0.04374634 Welsh
0.04433856 Danish
0.04506051 English
0.04659016 French_Brittany
0.04826936 German
0.04837633 English_Cornwall
0.04896013 Afrikaner
0.05485499 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05609535 Belgian
0.05630054 Czech
0.05665925 Austrian
0.05747458 German_East
0.05843490 Slovakian
0.05897809 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929928 French_Nord
0.06088065 Hungarian
0.06258096 French_Alsace

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04207419 Icelandic
0.04264893 Irish
0.04288132 Orcadian
0.04381930 Scottish
0.04393676 Shetlandic
0.04475000 Norwegian
0.04710776 Swedish
0.04728164 Dutch
0.04796538 English
0.04888939 Danish
0.04911258 Welsh
0.05030507 English_Cornwall
0.05168942 French_Brittany
0.05268822 Afrikaner
0.05389464 German
0.05553115 German_East
0.05696005 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929327 Czech
0.06099337 Belgian
0.06127970 Austrian
0.06402826 French_Nord
0.06546109 Hungarian
0.06577723 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06653120 French_Alsace
0.06878561 French_Paris

Distance to: FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.04738060 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05250631 French_Brittany
0.05413849 French_Paris
0.05444329 Belgian
0.05481735 Spanish_Soria
0.05488247 French_Occitanie
0.05579859 French_Nord
0.05633513 Swiss_German
0.05674598 Welsh
0.05714340 French_Auvergne
0.05787795 Swiss_French
0.05792432 English
0.05848362 French_Alsace
0.05894667 Afrikaner
0.05896290 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05909117 English_Cornwall
0.06020353 German
0.06029940 Orcadian
0.06034287 French_South
0.06053442 Irish
0.06059152 Scottish
0.06189946 Dutch
0.06246414 Spanish_Penedes
0.06354635 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.06364507 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.03401230 French_South
0.03733594 Basque_French
0.03736282 French_Occitanie
0.03878580 French_Auvergne
0.04063344 Basque_Spanish
0.04094618 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04156754 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04172902 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04216007 Spanish_Castello
0.04232612 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04246789 Spanish_Lleida
0.04275745 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04340083 Spanish_Penedes
0.04344943 French_Paris
0.04434658 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04451073 Swiss_French
0.04484828 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04492215 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04510564 Swiss_German
0.04577948 Spanish_Girona
0.04598816 Spanish_Aragon
0.04607923 Spanish_Soria
0.04611279 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04612271 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04618701 Spanish_Valencia

Distance to: FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.03940848 Basque_French
0.03960769 French_South
0.04148966 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04214650 Basque_Spanish
0.04268560 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04427080 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04485858 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04495882 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04524905 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04559910 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04576173 Spanish_Lleida
0.04585510 Spanish_Valencia
0.04594214 Spanish_Castello
0.04655239 Spanish_Aragon
0.04658340 Spanish_Navarra
0.04743343 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04787733 Spanish_Girona
0.04792980 Spanish_Penedes
0.04798584 French_Auvergne
0.04808110 French_Occitanie
0.04831237 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04839547 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04850266 Spanish_Soria
0.04879365 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04924109 Spanish_Menorca

Distance to: FRA_BA:QUIN234
0.05781443 Basque_French
0.05834846 French_South
0.05894177 Basque_Spanish
0.05927992 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.06084464 Spanish_Pirineu
0.06164297 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.06297464 Spanish_Castello
0.06376621 Spanish_Barcelones
0.06418483 Spanish_Aragon
0.06424171 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.06442659 Spanish_Cantabria
0.06497910 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.06518958 Spanish_Lleida
0.06534085 Spanish_Valencia
0.06556190 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.06664087 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.06689575 Spanish_Navarra
0.06722108 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.06729809 Spanish_Cataluna
0.06762335 Spanish_Girona
0.06768484 Spanish_Menorca
0.06898638 Spanish_Mallorca
0.06902594 Spanish_Penedes
0.06973446 Spanish_Eivissa
0.06995352 Spanish_Alacant

Distance to: FRA_BA:RIX2
0.03341431 French_Occitanie
0.03600622 French_Auvergne
0.03689434 French_Nord
0.03716293 Swiss_German
0.03868906 French_Alsace
0.04061035 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04084449 Belgian
0.04091802 French_Paris
0.04130709 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04197260 French_South
0.04204021 Swiss_French
0.04231094 Basque_French
0.04306613 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04334891 Spanish_Penedes
0.04343164 Spanish_Lleida
0.04385983 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04470989 French_Brittany
0.04488067 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04490045 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04504697 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04544652 Spanish_Girona
0.04555638 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04572474 Spanish_Valencia
0.04602594 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04625603 Spanish_Cataluna

Distance to: FRA_BA:RIX4
0.02601536 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03031229 French_Paris
0.03288192 Belgian
0.03402983 French_Nord
0.03449507 French_Brittany
0.03584024 Swiss_German
0.03635311 French_Alsace
0.03715343 French_Occitanie
0.03943289 Afrikaner
0.03947099 French_Auvergne
0.03971083 Welsh
0.03987338 German
0.04003819 Swiss_French
0.04050271 English
0.04192756 English_Cornwall
0.04329385 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04392744 Scottish
0.04420157 Dutch
0.04474015 Orcadian
0.04490491 Austrian
0.04544309 Irish
0.04550494 French_Provence
0.04610348 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04646625 Spanish_Penedes
0.04809214 Spanish_Girona

Distance to: FRA_BA:RIX15
0.04047783 French_Nord
0.04056362 French_Occitanie
0.04122209 Belgian
0.04137029 French_Paris
0.04199700 French_Brittany
0.04211107 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04221171 Swiss_German
0.04261879 French_Alsace
0.04357331 French_Auvergne
0.04502256 Afrikaner
0.04575369 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04584700 Welsh
0.04631602 Swiss_French
0.04658891 English_Cornwall
0.04678232 German
0.04711189 English
0.04801921 French_South
0.04858052 Austrian
0.04966704 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05071858 Spanish_Girona
0.05084898 Spanish_Penedes
0.05100850 Orcadian
0.05114055 Dutch
0.05134544 Scottish
0.05230534 Spanish_Lleida

Distance to: FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07155131 Icelandic
0.07287594 Swedish
0.07375364 Norwegian
0.07377252 Shetlandic
0.07596332 Irish
0.07694219 Danish
0.07739777 Orcadian
0.07744117 Scottish
0.07884984 Dutch
0.07897252 Finnish
0.08177111 Ingrian
0.08287863 English
0.08311012 Welsh
0.08315334 Russian_Tver
0.08323137 Czech
0.08371019 German_East
0.08451071 Russian_Kursk
0.08516425 Russian_Kostroma
0.08552988 Russian_Orel
0.08582798 English_Cornwall
0.08586884 Polish
0.08622420 Afrikaner
0.08645838 German
0.08731544 Slovakian
0.08769027 Moldovan_o

Distance to: FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04336600 French_Paris
0.04364363 Belgian
0.04454916 Swiss_German
0.04473450 Afrikaner
0.04494822 French_Nord
0.04648977 French_Occitanie
0.04663604 French_Alsace
0.04718789 Swiss_French
0.04777300 French_Auvergne
0.04786904 French_Brittany
0.04976352 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05017096 Welsh
0.05064177 German
0.05151840 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05166507 French_Provence
0.05217896 English_Cornwall
0.05334733 Austrian
0.05366142 Dutch
0.05373418 English
0.05398231 Spanish_Penedes
0.05444014 Spanish_Girona
0.05464909 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05492702 Scottish
0.05497895 Orcadian
0.05532723 Shetlandic

Distance to: FRA_IA:BES1248
0.04118342 English
0.04153305 French_Brittany
0.04211966 Scottish
0.04223124 Orcadian
0.04265920 Welsh
0.04298250 Dutch
0.04318286 Icelandic
0.04362515 Irish
0.04367216 German
0.04380045 English_Cornwall
0.04382113 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04429323 Norwegian
0.04449104 Afrikaner
0.04531309 Swedish
0.04637138 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04673323 Shetlandic
0.04719627 Belgian
0.04918352 Danish
0.05024880 French_Nord
0.05100872 French_Alsace
0.05119170 Austrian
0.05287532 French_Paris
0.05321520 Swiss_German
0.05397574 German_East
0.05690392 Czech

Distance to: FRA_IA:BFM265
0.02840071 English_Cornwall
0.02863327 French_Brittany
0.03027312 Welsh
0.03028004 French_Nord
0.03070740 Belgian
0.03160387 English
0.03274364 Orcadian
0.03331755 French_Paris
0.03345323 Afrikaner
0.03371018 French_Alsace
0.03395046 Scottish
0.03407937 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03447603 Swiss_German
0.03458746 German
0.03583111 Irish
0.03611764 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03664091 French_Occitanie
0.03670810 Danish
0.03752670 Dutch
0.04053347 French_Auvergne
0.04100897 Shetlandic
0.04358305 Icelandic
0.04382431 Austrian
0.04585681 German_East
0.04638869 Swiss_French

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03653589 Orcadian
0.03771762 Icelandic
0.03823043 Scottish
0.03847174 English_Cornwall
0.03900690 Welsh
0.03992170 Dutch
0.04004288 English
0.04005619 Irish
0.04052903 Danish
0.04105056 Swedish
0.04126025 Afrikaner
0.04155541 French_Brittany
0.04221114 Norwegian
0.04233944 Shetlandic
0.04347271 German
0.04407378 German_East
0.05016857 Belgian
0.05078595 Czech
0.05109469 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05138337 French_Nord
0.05311379 Austrian
0.05444309 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05477531 French_Alsace
0.05529359 Swiss_German
0.05575050 Hungarian

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153A
0.04724935 French_Alsace
0.04802929 French_Nord
0.04819005 Austrian
0.04873146 Swiss_German
0.05072783 Slovenian
0.05073315 French_Occitanie
0.05086517 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05088787 French_Auvergne
0.05173251 Croatian
0.05208643 Montenegrin
0.05243824 German
0.05293064 Belgian
0.05311111 Italian_Northeast
0.05347774 Hungarian
0.05349529 Swiss_French
0.05361312 Serbian
0.05405254 Bosnian
0.05442386 French_Paris
0.05468395 German_East
0.05510492 French_Provence
0.05553860 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05579264 Romanian
0.05592504 Macedonian
0.05672879 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.05683769 French_Pas-de-Calais

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153i
0.04852547 French_Occitanie
0.04937277 French_Auvergne
0.05128311 Spanish_Aragon
0.05140212 Swiss_German
0.05170334 Spanish_Penedes
0.05172261 French_South
0.05176098 Spanish_Lleida
0.05177723 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05195469 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05251741 Spanish_Pirineu
0.05252143 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05304586 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05338179 French_Paris
0.05344485 Swiss_French
0.05358589 Spanish_Asturias
0.05373942 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05376031 Spanish_Girona
0.05391168 Spanish_Castello
0.05394889 Spanish_Valencia
0.05406722 Spanish_Mallorca
0.05407943 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05435787 French_Provence
0.05464301 French_Nord
0.05524230 Belgian
0.05604829 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS86
0.04312632 French_Alsace
0.04359020 French_Nord
0.04398125 Swiss_German
0.04431344 French_Occitanie
0.04481962 French_Auvergne
0.04574098 French_Paris
0.04684031 Swiss_French
0.04698447 Belgian
0.04707363 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04800701 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04893354 French_Provence
0.04977565 German
0.05056922 Austrian
0.05083984 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05210426 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05211149 Spanish_Penedes
0.05233940 Italian_Northeast
0.05260982 Spanish_Barcelones
0.05289509 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05293644 French_Brittany
0.05309569 Spanish_Mallorca
0.05379355 Afrikaner
0.05388431 Welsh
0.05427093 Spanish_Girona
0.05490700 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS88
0.03688353 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03778488 Spanish_Penedes
0.03888173 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03980670 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03986852 Spanish_Aragon
0.03989020 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03990027 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04002123 Spanish_Lleida
0.04018300 French_Auvergne
0.04021700 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04021757 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04028823 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04037679 French_Occitanie
0.04085638 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.04103481 Spanish_Valencia
0.04108524 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04144234 Spanish_Girona
0.04152490 Spanish_Galicia
0.04177993 Swiss_French
0.04183508 French_Provence
0.04237487 Spanish_Alacant
0.04259256 Spanish_Baleares
0.04276981 Spanish_Menorca
0.04278342 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.04284750 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.03842737 Belgian
0.03864913 Austrian
0.03887776 French_Nord
0.03942483 French_Alsace
0.03973001 Afrikaner
0.04103911 Swiss_German
0.04162804 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04210408 German
0.04276791 French_Paris
0.04341187 French_Brittany
0.04351379 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04478362 French_Occitanie
0.04501586 Hungarian
0.04666397 French_Auvergne
0.04689018 Welsh
0.04772690 Dutch
0.04801167 Swiss_French
0.04859174 English
0.04916193 Croatian
0.04931902 Scottish
0.04937497 Orcadian
0.04976900 English_Cornwall
0.04982529 French_Provence
0.05028503 Slovenian
0.05149343 German_East

Distance to: FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.03069675 French_Occitanie
0.03202054 French_Nord
0.03278329 French_Auvergne
0.03319454 Swiss_German
0.03391352 Belgian
0.03426380 French_Paris
0.03432754 French_Alsace
0.03542313 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03856282 Swiss_French
0.03928011 French_Brittany
0.03978582 Spanish_Penedes
0.04004917 Afrikaner
0.04136232 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04144509 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04169249 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04176793 French_Provence
0.04217875 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04274002 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04302541 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04317535 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04337785 Welsh
0.04341652 German
0.04361493 Spanish_Lleida
0.04365498 Spanish_Girona
0.04417968 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.03967586 Swiss_French
0.04143876 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04188199 Spanish_Girona
0.04213160 Spanish_Penedes
0.04322954 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04335986 French_Auvergne
0.04336142 French_Provence
0.04369928 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04386995 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04490463 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04492482 Spanish_Baleares
0.04554912 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04579911 Spanish_Lleida
0.04626255 Spanish_Soria
0.04627296 Spanish_Castello
0.04656122 French_Occitanie
0.04677165 Italian_Northeast
0.04798689 Italian_Veneto
0.04855138 Spanish_Alacant
0.04869249 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04869855 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04903088 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04971354 Spanish_Galicia
0.04982420 Swiss_German
0.04988858 Portuguese

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.03748445 French_Brittany
0.03748697 Orcadian
0.03798859 Welsh
0.03827827 English_Cornwall
0.03918293 English
0.03992425 Scottish
0.04015620 Irish
0.04400058 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04403351 French_Nord
0.04418190 Belgian
0.04499459 Afrikaner
0.04544937 German
0.04558234 Shetlandic
0.04614806 Dutch
0.04648678 Icelandic
0.04666967 Swiss_German
0.04712600 Danish
0.04749406 French_Alsace
0.04789976 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04910241 French_Paris
0.05117545 French_Occitanie
0.05178295 Norwegian
0.05243471 German_East
0.05255878 Swedish
0.05433612 Austrian

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.03898360 French_Occitanie
0.04213436 French_Auvergne
0.04235524 French_Nord
0.04347593 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04370320 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04459069 French_Alsace
0.04462944 Swiss_German
0.04482533 Belgian
0.04509678 French_Paris
0.04603644 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04615501 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04621228 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.04623773 French_South
0.04680472 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04705917 Spanish_Penedes
0.04706673 French_Brittany
0.04720048 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04749900 Spanish_Asturias
0.04803007 Spanish_Lleida
0.04850722 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04853642 Spanish_Valencia
0.04865633 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04870739 Spanish_Navarra
0.04875178 Basque_French
0.04889082 Spanish_Aragon

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR4
0.04188648 Spanish_Castello
0.04335973 Spanish_Lleida
0.04349226 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.04396990 Spanish_Girona
0.04424385 Spanish_Baleares
0.04442904 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04469384 Spanish_Barcelones
0.04490519 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04493470 French_South
0.04517417 French_Auvergne
0.04519070 Spanish_Cantabria
0.04554958 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04563261 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04563963 Spanish_Cataluna
0.04572791 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.04605775 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04715861 Spanish_Penedes
0.04733316 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.04760779 French_Occitanie
0.04763895 Swiss_French
0.04813473 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04838777 Spanish_Soria
0.04842542 Spanish_Valencia
0.04862011 Spanish_Aragon
0.04883276 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Distance to: FRA_IA:PEY53
0.03881203 French_Brittany
0.03915657 Welsh
0.04003808 Orcadian
0.04024703 English_Cornwall
0.04038088 English
0.04119355 Belgian
0.04129341 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04222878 Scottish
0.04241259 French_Nord
0.04273763 Irish
0.04366577 Swiss_German
0.04401338 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04498929 French_Alsace
0.04511139 French_Paris
0.04578932 German
0.04590288 French_Occitanie
0.04668598 Afrikaner
0.04676723 Danish
0.04709341 Dutch
0.04793456 Shetlandic
0.04945444 French_Auvergne
0.04981792 Icelandic
0.05348161 Swiss_French
0.05358209 Norwegian
0.05545010 Swedish

[gixajo]

Presumably the genetically Northern ones are from Northern France, and the genetically southern ones are from South/Central France.



What is BA and IA?

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7266% / 0.02726592
59.0 FRA_IA
41.0 FRA_BA

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.04531083 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04626361 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.04882634 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.05007419 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05010606 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05484611 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05534012 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05674192 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05829521 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05829593 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05872745 FRA_BA:NIED
0.06239877 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.06342255 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06415108 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.06490064 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.06532480 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06606887 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06748256 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.07084480 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07087356 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.07200704 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.07220750 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07412477 FRA_BA:QUIN234
0.07647419 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.08175671 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.08475710 FRA_IA:COL11
0.09713611 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.10387754 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.14068354 FRA_BBC:CBV95

+ G25 Iron Age Calculator

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.4551% / 0.02455114
44.2 FRA_BA
42.0 FRA_IA
7.4 Balkans_IA
6.4 Anatolia_IA


Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.04531083 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04626361 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.04882634 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.05007419 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05010606 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05484611 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05534012 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05674192 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05829521 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05829593 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05872745 FRA_BA:NIED
0.06239877 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.06342255 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06415108 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.06490064 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.06532480 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06606887 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06748256 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.07084480 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07087356 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.07200704 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.07220750 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07412477 FRA_BA:QUIN234
0.07647419 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.08044006 England_IA
0.08175671 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.08475710 FRA_IA:COL11
0.08803563 Balkans_IA
0.09713611 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.10387754 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.10800286 Nordic_IA
0.11117613 Hungary_IA
0.13971490 Anatolia_IA
0.14068354 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.16744581 Turkmenistan_IA
0.17100032 Baltic_IA
0.19361983 Nomad_IA
0.29857144 Pakistan_Butkara_IA
0.32075472 Altai_IA

[Samnium]

What is BA and IA?

Bronze Age/Iron Age


Are you insinuating that ancient Gauls were Iberian/North Italian shifted?:picard1:

No, only that there was a genetical variation quite important. Most of them cluster with modern French though neither with Brits or Iberians

[J. Ketch]

Distance to: FRA_IA:PEY53
0.03637881 CHE_EBA
0.03815521 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.03855445 England_Roman
0.03991182 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.03998406 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04038128 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.04046246 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04143026 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.04272402 Scotland_LBA
0.04314034 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.04399405 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04458244 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04529070 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.04564899 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04649635 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.04807157 England_IA
0.04817075 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04818507 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.04827848 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04853226 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR4
0.04299762 CHE_IA
0.04308307 DEU_Lech_MBA
0.04483993 Iberia_East_IA
0.04520370 DEU_Roman
0.04601989 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.04613981 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.04751950 Iberia_Mallorca_EBA
0.04865924 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04987857 Iberia_North_IA
0.05003046 ITA_Etruscan
0.05044464 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05120532 Levant_LBN_MA_o6
0.05167696 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.05195839 HRV_MBA
0.05201771 Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.05284272 Iberia_Northeast_BA
0.05445233 Iberia_Northeast_RomP
0.05514354 ITA_Villanovan
0.05579837 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.05595334 Iberia_Formentera_MBA

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.03968020 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.04210002 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.04420140 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04557195 CHE_EBA
0.04559040 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04567537 Iberia_North_IA
0.04592443 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.04796484 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04820016 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.04830827 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.04859512 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.04887681 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04889741 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04910998 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04948804 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04994049 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.05126787 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.05225578 England_Roman
0.05370654 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.05402759 DEU_Anselfingen_FN

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.03502589 England_Roman
0.03694656 Scotland_LBA
0.03833491 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.03887674 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.03890325 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04063988 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04193459 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.04234707 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04319420 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.04321740 DEU_Anselfingen_FN
0.04371218 England_MBA
0.04384106 CHE_EBA
0.04396072 DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.04401947 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.04500416 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.04516991 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.04531390 England_EMBA
0.04574680 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04605111 DEU_MA
0.04627882 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN

Distance to: FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.04446699 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04529337 Levant_LBN_MA_o6
0.04664662 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04679623 DEU_Roman
0.04786639 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04786880 HRV_MBA
0.04791896 Scythian_HUN
0.04803044 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04859646 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.05026798 CHE_IA
0.05040327 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05183864 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.05224356 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.05243246 HUN_MA
0.05307755 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.05335548 CHE_EBA
0.05360352 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.05419176 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.05520682 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.05549107 DEU_Lech_MBA

Distance to: FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.02889121 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.03044839 CHE_EBA
0.03265455 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.03297013 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.03302566 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.03323604 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.03369391 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.03595946 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.03637573 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.03668784 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.03697978 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.03732898 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.03775037 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.03787350 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.03967690 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.04042469 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.04067691 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04134644 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04478912 England_Roman
0.04532980 Scythian_HUN

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.03496856 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.03697812 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.03782687 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.03799058 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.03866567 CHE_EBA
0.03904829 HUN_MA
0.03926735 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04036298 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04055565 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04089195 DEU_MA_ACD
0.04152392 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04155824 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04211568 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.04225822 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04238238 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04298150 Scythian_HUN
0.04366992 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04395655 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.04518824 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.04535546 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04242282 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.04471314 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04607666 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.04661304 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04834572 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04862759 TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier
0.04973495 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.05043839 HRV_IA
0.05092949 DEU_Roman
0.05121401 ITA_Etruscan
0.05198385 DEU_Lech_MBA
0.05204385 CHE_IA
0.05214458 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.05292139 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.05329867 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.05374525 Iberia_North_IA
0.05457914 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.05509361 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.05598695 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.05611983 ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA

Distance to: FRA_IA:ERS86
0.04039634 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04352368 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.04366432 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04546244 CHE_EBA
0.04580145 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04586833 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04588962 Scythian_HUN
0.04599420 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04624804 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.04661725 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.04802313 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.04876840 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04962127 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.05162696 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05178256 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.05192269 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.05200125 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.05274191 DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3
0.05282448 HUN_LBA
0.05410567 Levant_LBN_MA_o2

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153i
0.04951307 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.05022004 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.05032778 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05079159 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.05191642 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.05243842 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.05246471 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.05513960 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.05577171 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.05631119 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.05674371 CHE_IA
0.05692949 Iberia_Northwest_CA_Stp
0.05769802 CHE_EBA
0.05785038 Iberia_North_IA
0.05856909 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.05878740 Iberia_Northeast_RomP
0.05928840 Iberia_Mallorca_EBA
0.05933784 DEU_Roman
0.05954573 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.05961292 HUN_MA_Szolad

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL153A
0.04417082 Scythian_HUN
0.04711730 DEU_Singen_EIA
0.04895116 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04972023 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.05041121 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.05141847 HUN_LBA
0.05196000 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.05373727 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.05490439 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.05571455 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.05580411 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.05606433 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.05612973 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.05632720 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.05641283 CHE_EBA
0.05669343 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.05696099 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.05698289 HUN_MA
0.05722675 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.05738831 DEU_Anselfingen_FN

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03471249 England_Roman
0.03637823 England_MBA
0.03644537 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.03696205 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.03810871 DEU_MA
0.03843501 Scotland_LBA
0.03949109 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.03970312 England_CA_EBA
0.04000231 SWE_IA
0.04023811 CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.04032296 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04051952 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.04053520 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.04055166 Scotland_MBA
0.04143023 Corded_Ware_CHE
0.04262044 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.04277243 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
0.04282911 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.04352064 England_Saxon
0.04353003 Bell_Beaker_England

Distance to: FRA_IA:BFM265
0.03042025 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.03126474 England_Roman
0.03467191 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.03499759 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.03508938 CHE_EBA
0.03579063 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.03617147 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.03662114 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.03732509 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.03756001 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.03823082 DEU_MA
0.03831698 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.03831942 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.03858473 Scotland_LBA
0.03887392 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.03936758 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.04126408 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04224344 England_IA
0.04314875 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.04327688 DEU_Anselfingen_FN

Distance to: FRA_IA:BES1248
0.04045326 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.04192312 England_Roman
0.04219073 England_IA
0.04230310 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.04234566 DEU_MA
0.04282401 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04293287 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.04362063 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.04444298 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.04533336 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04542002 CHE_EBA
0.04557753 England_MBA
0.04588869 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04595698 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.04598221 England_Saxon
0.04603857 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.04720887 Scotland_MBA
0.04734272 Corded_Ware_CHE
0.04808467 DNK_BA
0.04812493 Scotland_LBA

Distance to: FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04139660 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.04179702 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.04334281 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.04382745 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04388144 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.04447269 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.04512188 CHE_EBA
0.04563289 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.04640606 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.04665873 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04678891 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04680906 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.04781115 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.04814779 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04821628 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.04966137 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.05164397 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.05204509 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.05210825 DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.05224130 DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3

[gixajo]

Bronze Age/Iron Age

Thanks.

I thouht they were related with archaeological sites where they were found...:picard2:

Edit: I am unable to think in English, sorry.

[Samnium]

Thanks.

I thouht they were related with archaeological sites where they were found...:picard2:

I can find the link where the archeological sites are described, I think you can find that on Anthrogenica

[gixajo]

Bronze Age/Iron Age



No, only that there was a genetical variation quite important. Most of them cluster with modern French though neither with Brits or Iberians

We need more Frenchs with G25 coordinates.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Can't wait for the paper to come out so we can know the locations. People will be in for a surprise I think when the southern shifted ones aren't going to be exclusively from the southern France site. Or me of course, but we'll see. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

To me, it looks like the ones who get Brittany and British Isles/Iceland in the top 3 matches will be the N. France locals, while the ones who get N. France, Belgium, etc will be mixes between the "southerners" and the northerner locals, because while that could be just normal variation, the distances are still quite big.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Also, if we assume that the names given to the samples(i.e "COL", "NOR", etc.) indicate which site they're from(which is common place in other genetic studies), we already know they're diverse in the same sites then. If the names are indeed based on different sites, there isn't one non-diverse site other than the ones with only one sample, and you know what I think this means. I'll wait before passing judgement though.

[gixajo]

Can't wait for the paper to come out so we can know the locations. People will be in for a surprise I think when the southern shifted ones aren't going to be exclusively from the southern France site. Or me of course, but we'll see. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

To me, it looks like the ones who get Brittany and British Isles/Iceland in the top 3 matches will be the N. France locals, while the ones who get N. France, Belgium, etc will be mixes between the "southerners" and the northerner locals, because while that could be just normal variation, the distances are still quite big.

I have seen here so many coincidences that point to what is not assumed as usually accepted, that at least we have the right to raise some doubts and claim other probable story.

[Samnium]

Can't wait for the paper to come out so we can know the locations. People will be in for a surprise I think when the southern shifted ones aren't going to be exclusively from the southern France site. Or me of course, but we'll see. I'd be willing to bet money on it.

To me, it looks like the ones who get Brittany and British Isles/Iceland in the top 3 matches will be the N. France locals, while the ones who get N. France, Belgium, etc will be mixes between the "southerners" and the northerner locals, because while that could be just normal variation, the distances are still quite big.

Difficult to say if the most northern shifted are really locals, some cluster like Brittons/Seine Maritime (Normandie) so I would say that these are the "locals", these are clearly outliers :


Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.03481803 Norwegian
0.03947094 Swedish
0.03982381 Icelandic
0.04225390 Dutch
0.04254980 Irish
0.04275268 Shetlandic
0.04282924 Scottish
0.04312885 Orcadian
0.04374634 Welsh
0.04433856 Danish
0.04506051 English
0.04659016 French_Brittany
0.04826936 German
0.04837633 English_Cornwall
0.04896013 Afrikaner
0.05485499 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05609535 Belgian
0.05630054 Czech
0.05665925 Austrian
0.05747458 German_East
0.05843490 Slovakian
0.05897809 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929928 French_Nord
0.06088065 Hungarian
0.06258096 French_Alsace

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04207419 Icelandic
0.04264893 Irish
0.04288132 Orcadian
0.04381930 Scottish
0.04393676 Shetlandic
0.04475000 Norwegian
0.04710776 Swedish
0.04728164 Dutch
0.04796538 English
0.04888939 Danish
0.04911258 Welsh
0.05030507 English_Cornwall
0.05168942 French_Brittany
0.05268822 Afrikaner
0.05389464 German
0.05553115 German_East
0.05696005 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929327 Czech
0.06099337 Belgian
0.06127970 Austrian
0.06402826 French_Nord
0.06546109 Hungarian
0.06577723 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06653120 French_Alsace
0.06878561 French_Paris

Distance to: FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07155131 Icelandic
0.07287594 Swedish
0.07375364 Norwegian
0.07377252 Shetlandic
0.07596332 Irish
0.07694219 Danish
0.07739777 Orcadian
0.07744117 Scottish
0.07884984 Dutch
0.07897252 Finnish
0.08177111 Ingrian
0.08287863 English
0.08311012 Welsh
0.08315334 Russian_Tver
0.08323137 Czech
0.08371019 German_East
0.08451071 Russian_Kursk
0.08516425 Russian_Kostroma
0.08552988 Russian_Orel
0.08582798 English_Cornwall
0.08586884 Polish
0.08622420 Afrikaner
0.08645838 German
0.08731544 Slovakian
0.08769027 Moldovan_o

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03653589 Orcadian
0.03771762 Icelandic
0.03823043 Scottish
0.03847174 English_Cornwall
0.03900690 Welsh
0.03992170 Dutch
0.04004288 English
0.04005619 Irish
0.04052903 Danish
0.04105056 Swedish
0.04126025 Afrikaner
0.04155541 French_Brittany
0.04221114 Norwegian
0.04233944 Shetlandic
0.04347271 German
0.04407378 German_East
0.05016857 Belgian
0.05078595 Czech
0.05109469 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05138337 French_Nord
0.05311379 Austrian
0.05444309 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05477531 French_Alsace
0.05529359 Swiss_German
0.05575050 Hungarian

These one can represent what Gauls looked like before "mixing" with Native populations in France (pre-Celtic stock), maybe part of the elite (warriors or druids).

[Vid Flumina]

I'm paired up with FRA_IA:NOR2B6, also closest item from the list even though my distances are notoriously high with any population:

https://i.imgur.com/TAYHd3l.png

Distance to: VFlumina_scaled
0.04087971 FRA_IA:NOR2B6


Looking forward to more details on each individual sample

[XenophobicPrussian]

Difficult to say if the most northern shifted are really locals, some cluster like Brittons/Seine Maritime (Normandie) so I would say that these are the "locals", these are clearly outliers :


Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.03481803 Norwegian
0.03947094 Swedish
0.03982381 Icelandic
0.04225390 Dutch
0.04254980 Irish
0.04275268 Shetlandic
0.04282924 Scottish
0.04312885 Orcadian
0.04374634 Welsh
0.04433856 Danish
0.04506051 English
0.04659016 French_Brittany
0.04826936 German
0.04837633 English_Cornwall
0.04896013 Afrikaner
0.05485499 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05609535 Belgian
0.05630054 Czech
0.05665925 Austrian
0.05747458 German_East
0.05843490 Slovakian
0.05897809 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929928 French_Nord
0.06088065 Hungarian
0.06258096 French_Alsace

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04207419 Icelandic
0.04264893 Irish
0.04288132 Orcadian
0.04381930 Scottish
0.04393676 Shetlandic
0.04475000 Norwegian
0.04710776 Swedish
0.04728164 Dutch
0.04796538 English
0.04888939 Danish
0.04911258 Welsh
0.05030507 English_Cornwall
0.05168942 French_Brittany
0.05268822 Afrikaner
0.05389464 German
0.05553115 German_East
0.05696005 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929327 Czech
0.06099337 Belgian
0.06127970 Austrian
0.06402826 French_Nord
0.06546109 Hungarian
0.06577723 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06653120 French_Alsace
0.06878561 French_Paris

Distance to: FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07155131 Icelandic
0.07287594 Swedish
0.07375364 Norwegian
0.07377252 Shetlandic
0.07596332 Irish
0.07694219 Danish
0.07739777 Orcadian
0.07744117 Scottish
0.07884984 Dutch
0.07897252 Finnish
0.08177111 Ingrian
0.08287863 English
0.08311012 Welsh
0.08315334 Russian_Tver
0.08323137 Czech
0.08371019 German_East
0.08451071 Russian_Kursk
0.08516425 Russian_Kostroma
0.08552988 Russian_Orel
0.08582798 English_Cornwall
0.08586884 Polish
0.08622420 Afrikaner
0.08645838 German
0.08731544 Slovakian
0.08769027 Moldovan_o

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03653589 Orcadian
0.03771762 Icelandic
0.03823043 Scottish
0.03847174 English_Cornwall
0.03900690 Welsh
0.03992170 Dutch
0.04004288 English
0.04005619 Irish
0.04052903 Danish
0.04105056 Swedish
0.04126025 Afrikaner
0.04155541 French_Brittany
0.04221114 Norwegian
0.04233944 Shetlandic
0.04347271 German
0.04407378 German_East
0.05016857 Belgian
0.05078595 Czech
0.05109469 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05138337 French_Nord
0.05311379 Austrian
0.05444309 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05477531 French_Alsace
0.05529359 Swiss_German
0.05575050 Hungarian

These one can represent what Gauls looked like before "mixing" with Native populations in France (pre-Celtic stock), maybe part of the elite (warriors or druids).
I was speaking of the Iron_Age samples only, the Scandinavian-BA ones are irrelevant and didn't exist by the IA, they're just Bell Beakers pre-extra France Middle Neolithic admixture.

That last IA Orcadian-like one(and all the other modern British like ones) are likely the pre-Celtic population of NW. France, before being shifted south by Celts/Romans, and then back north a bit by Germanics.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03577431 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03728353 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04170613 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04358247 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04813326 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.04919815 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.05040868 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05207900 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05255913 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05299013 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05493145 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05515775 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05654879 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.05691849 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.06078658 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06410841 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.06590770 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06621788 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06894018 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.06946479 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.07314464 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07362566 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07804906 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07989075 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08309704 FRA_BA:QUIN58

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.9967% / 0.02996738 | ADC: 2x
100.0 FRA_IA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.4359% / 0.02435910 | ADC: 1x
76.0 FRA_IA
24.0 FRA_BA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2811% / 0.02281076 | ADC: 0.5x
62.4 FRA_IA
37.6 FRA_BA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.1755% / 0.02175456 | ADC: 0.25x
57.4 FRA_IA
41.2 FRA_BA
1.4 FRA_BBC

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.1266% / 0.02126617
58.6 FRA_IA
28.4 FRA_BA
13.0 FRA_BBC

[Samnium]

I was speaking of the Iron_Age samples only, the Scandinavian-BA ones are irrelevant and didn't exist by the IA, they're just Bell Beakers pre-extra France Middle Neolithic admixture.

That last IA Orcadian-like one(and all the other modern British like ones) are likely the pre-Celtic population of NW. France, before being shifted south by Celts/Romans, and then back north a bit by Germanics.

No, the pre-Celtic population of Britanny for example, probably didn't looked like that. If Brittons are so similar to Brit Islanders it's because of that :

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89migration_bretonne_en_Armorique

Entire clans emigrated, and in large numbers (dozens of thousands of people) between the 4th and the 6th century. Some historians say that there have been 500 000 people (the highest estimation) that emigrated in Armorica. It changed radically not only the gene pool but also the culture of this part of France.

I believe it had some effect also in Normandy that's close geographially to Britanny. That's why NW French are closer to Brit Islanders than to some Central French (even).

I would add that the roman presence in NW French is very scarce, especially in Britanny.

[dududud]

Difficult to say if the most northern shifted are really locals, some cluster like Brittons/Seine Maritime (Normandie) so I would say that these are the "locals", these are clearly outliers :


Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.03481803 Norwegian
0.03947094 Swedish
0.03982381 Icelandic
0.04225390 Dutch
0.04254980 Irish
0.04275268 Shetlandic
0.04282924 Scottish
0.04312885 Orcadian
0.04374634 Welsh
0.04433856 Danish
0.04506051 English
0.04659016 French_Brittany
0.04826936 German
0.04837633 English_Cornwall
0.04896013 Afrikaner
0.05485499 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05609535 Belgian
0.05630054 Czech
0.05665925 Austrian
0.05747458 German_East
0.05843490 Slovakian
0.05897809 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929928 French_Nord
0.06088065 Hungarian
0.06258096 French_Alsace

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04207419 Icelandic
0.04264893 Irish
0.04288132 Orcadian
0.04381930 Scottish
0.04393676 Shetlandic
0.04475000 Norwegian
0.04710776 Swedish
0.04728164 Dutch
0.04796538 English
0.04888939 Danish
0.04911258 Welsh
0.05030507 English_Cornwall
0.05168942 French_Brittany
0.05268822 Afrikaner
0.05389464 German
0.05553115 German_East
0.05696005 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05929327 Czech
0.06099337 Belgian
0.06127970 Austrian
0.06402826 French_Nord
0.06546109 Hungarian
0.06577723 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06653120 French_Alsace
0.06878561 French_Paris

Distance to: FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07155131 Icelandic
0.07287594 Swedish
0.07375364 Norwegian
0.07377252 Shetlandic
0.07596332 Irish
0.07694219 Danish
0.07739777 Orcadian
0.07744117 Scottish
0.07884984 Dutch
0.07897252 Finnish
0.08177111 Ingrian
0.08287863 English
0.08311012 Welsh
0.08315334 Russian_Tver
0.08323137 Czech
0.08371019 German_East
0.08451071 Russian_Kursk
0.08516425 Russian_Kostroma
0.08552988 Russian_Orel
0.08582798 English_Cornwall
0.08586884 Polish
0.08622420 Afrikaner
0.08645838 German
0.08731544 Slovakian
0.08769027 Moldovan_o

Distance to: FRA_IA:COL11
0.03653589 Orcadian
0.03771762 Icelandic
0.03823043 Scottish
0.03847174 English_Cornwall
0.03900690 Welsh
0.03992170 Dutch
0.04004288 English
0.04005619 Irish
0.04052903 Danish
0.04105056 Swedish
0.04126025 Afrikaner
0.04155541 French_Brittany
0.04221114 Norwegian
0.04233944 Shetlandic
0.04347271 German
0.04407378 German_East
0.05016857 Belgian
0.05078595 Czech
0.05109469 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05138337 French_Nord
0.05311379 Austrian
0.05444309 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05477531 French_Alsace
0.05529359 Swiss_German
0.05575050 Hungarian

These one can represent what Gauls looked like before "mixing" with Native populations in France (pre-Celtic stock), maybe part of the elite (warriors or druids).

Gaulish was already French-like. Gaulish are not "icelandic" shifted.

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/ELQKecf.png

https://i.imgur.com/XWjDoLt.png

[gixajo]

I zoomed in enough for all the samples to come out.

[RyoHazuki]

My turn


Distance: 2.9589% / 0.02958921
36.4 FRA_IA:BFM265
20.2 FRA_BA:OBE3722
17.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
11.6 FRA_IA:BES1248
9.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
5.0 FRA_BA:RIX2

[gixajo]

My turn


Distance: 2.9589% / 0.02958921
36.4 FRA_IA:BFM265
20.2 FRA_BA:OBE3722
17.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
11.6 FRA_IA:BES1248
9.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
5.0 FRA_BA:RIX2


Where do you plot here, Ancient Gaul outlier?:https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

You can change maps and zoom them.

Edit: and add the entire list of Ancient gauls samples.

[J. Ketch]

I was speaking of the Iron_Age samples only, the Scandinavian-BA ones are irrelevant and didn't exist by the IA, they're just Bell Beakers pre-extra France Middle Neolithic admixture.

That last IA Orcadian-like one(and all the other modern British like ones) are likely the pre-Celtic population of NW. France, before being shifted south by Celts/Romans, and then back north a bit by Germanics.
BES1248 and COL11 might have already mixed with Germanics.

[RyoHazuki]

Where do you plot here, Ancient Gaul outlier?:https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

You can change maps and zoom them.

Edit: and add the entire list of Ancient gauls samples.

Here. I'm on the fringes of the French and British people.
https://i.imgur.com/rtr9yH0.png

[J. Ketch]

I said they're similar to modern French, but tbh the distances are pretty high, and when I try to model modern French with them against contemporary populations, they like a lot of Germanic, Briton, Roman etc

[J. Ketch]

According to someone on Anthrogenica, the samples are sourced from 3 places: Picardy, Alsace and Languedoc-Roussillon, bordering with Spain.

You can see here there are kind of 3 tiers, so I'm guessing the Northern ones are from Picardy (Belgae), the intermediary ones are from Alsace, and the Southern ones from Languedoc-Roussillon.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpmDJwnj/newplot1605.png

[Coastal Elite]

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.04420762 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.04584650 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.04646285 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04700995 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.04750392 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04885764 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05176370 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.05193589 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.05219918 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.05270855 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.05453842 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.05529729 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05555213 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.05597816 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.05668221 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05874818 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05875382 FRA_IA:COL11
0.06051292 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.06063956 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06211210 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.06367063 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.06375474 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.06446591 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.06473203 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.07316031 FRA_BA:NIED

Mom

Distance to: Daco_mom_scaled
0.04174810 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.04243685 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04318599 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04707960 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04939720 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.05035641 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05042638 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05046051 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05101579 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.05477722 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.05567368 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05671789 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05883776 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.06019090 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.06095038 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.06629753 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06696702 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06916629 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.06994962 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.07067641 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07691634 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07742375 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07810023 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07934763 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08298747 FRA_BA:QUIN58

[J. Ketch]

BES1248 and COL11 might have already mixed with Germanics.
BES = Besancon?, COL = Colmar? Maybe Gauls mixed with Alemanni. Just speculating.

[Coastal Elite]

Davidski needs to put out a guide for all his acronyms

[XenophobicPrussian]

BES1248 and COL11 might have already mixed with Germanics.
I'd want to know the dates first, but yeah very possible. For some reason when I think IA the first thing I think of is like 500 BC but it goes even to the ADs in some parts of Europe, and in certain definitions. Even if we're talking something older it's still possible because of the Belgae, who were more likely to be Germanic or mixed Germanic-Celtic than Celtic(one of the reasons I don't only attribute Germanic admixture in the English to Anglo-Saxons/Vikings, they had very close contacts with the Belgae who are known to have settled there).

https://i.redd.it/kgkziqd5e4521.png

Anything's possible, there's a fully Germanic Przeworsk/Pomeranian culture sample in a Scythian burial located in southern Moldova dated to 400-200 BC surrounded by southern Euro-like locals and two inbetween Europe-Caucasus clustering Scythians, 600-400 years before Chernyakhov culture which is supposed to be proto-Gothic. Can't be a misdated Beaker either, because well, it's Moldova.


Distance to: Scythian_MDA_o:scy303
0.03630696 Norwegian
0.03697573 Swedish
0.04014302 Icelandic

On another note, if we're to believe the "Nordwestblock" theory, i.e an extinct non-Celtic-Germanic Indo-European language around the Rhine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock, these modern British clustering samples are good candidates for what those speakers were like.

[Kamal900]

I'd want to know the dates first, but yeah very possible. For some reason when I think IA the first thing I think of is like 500 BC but it goes even to the ADs in some parts of Europe, and in certain definitions. Even if we're talking something older it's still possible because of the Belgae, who were more likely to be Germanic or mixed Germanic-Celtic than Celtic(one of the reasons I don't only attribute Germanic admixture in the English to Anglo-Saxons/Vikings, they had very close contacts with the Belgae who are known to have settled there).

https://i.redd.it/kgkziqd5e4521.png

Anything's possible, there's a fully Germanic Przeworsk/Pomeranian culture sample in a Scythian burial located in southern Moldova dated to 400-200 BC surrounded by southern Euro-like locals and two inbetween Europe-Caucasus clustering Scythians, 600-400 years before Chernyakhov culture which is supposed to be proto-Gothic. Can't be a misdated Beaker either, because well, it's Moldova.



On another note, if we're to believe the "Nordwestblock" theory, i.e an extinct non-Celtic-Germanic Indo-European language around the Rhine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock, these modern British clustering samples are good candidates for what those speakers were like.

I've heard that there were extinct Indo-European dialects that were very close to Germanic languages that were spoken in North-Central Europe, but they're not Germanic themselves but rather as very close cousins to it after the Grimm's Law or something during the Iron age period where only one language, proto-Germanic, survived and dominated the rest which eventually evolved into the Germanic languages we know today.

[Lucas]

BES = Besancon?, COL = Colmar? Maybe Gauls mixed with Alemanni. Just speculating.

From the abstract of the paper we know samples were form Picardy (those "British like" probably), Alsace (so Colmar possible) and Roussilon (those "Iberian" most likely).


Added to Vahaduo G25 sheets


G25 Ancient Averages scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-averages-scaled.htm
G25 Ancient Individual Samples scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-scaled.htm
G25 Modern AND Ancient averages scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern&ancient-scaled-averages.htm



I created three "Regional" averages from scaled IA samples.

French_IA_central,0.121363875,0.142047375,0.048978 5,0.02559775,0.040353625,0.003555875,0.001087125,0 .0060285,0.010379375,0.017471875,0.00044675,0.0038 59125,-0.014011375,-0.0081885,0.0114855,0.004027375,-0.000065125,0.003024625,0.00490225,0.00181325,-0.002386375,0.00239575,-0.0022645,-0.006190625,0.003682375
French_IA_south,0.1297585,0.153345,0.0512885,0.003 3915,0.0400075,-0.0026495,-0.00282,0.0043845,0.017589,0.0278825,-0.0090125,0.0025475,-0.022745,-0.016308,-0.002443,-0.0061655,-0.004433,-0.008298,-0.0011315,0.001626,0.0018715,0.0034625,-0.005053,0.0037355,-0.0013775
French_IA_north,0.1281648,0.1391276,0.0552106,0.04 60598,0.0414848,0.0187972,-0.003384,0.0025846,0.0080584,0.0075446,-0.0007468,0.0104308,-0.0165312,-0.008092,0.0207652,-0.0043226,-0.0125688,0.0037248,0.0002514,0.0033018,0.007911,0 .0032148,-0.0039194,-0.0014942,-0.0012692



Target: French_IA_north
Distance: 1.6889% / 0.01688899 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 Orcadian
16.6 Basque_French
2.2 German_East
1.2 French_Seine-Maritime
1.2 Georgian_Imer
0.6 Gupta

Target: French_IA_south
Distance: 2.2888% / 0.02288819 | ADC: 0.25x
25.4 Basque_French
22.4 Italian_Bergamo
22.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
10.2 Spanish_Cantabria
8.8 Swiss_German

Target: French_IA_central
Distance: 1.2881% / 0.01288117 | ADC: 0.25x
84.6 French_Occitanie
5.2 Cossack_Ukrainian
3.8 Sorb_Niederlausitz
2.6 Danish
1.4 Makrani
1.0 Afrikaner
1.0 Spanish_Soria
0.4 Igbo


unscaled

French_IA_central,0.0106625,0.0139875,0.0129875,0. 007925,0.0131125,0.001275,0.0004625,0.0026125,0.00 5075,0.0095875,0.000275,0.002575,-0.009425,-0.00595,0.0084625,0.0030375,-0.00005,0.0023875,0.0039,0.00145,-0.0019125,0.0019375,-0.0018375,-0.0051375,0.003075
French_IA_south,0.0114,0.0151,0.0136,0.00105,0.013 ,-0.00095,-0.0012,0.0019,0.0086,0.0153,-0.00555,0.0017,-0.0153,-0.01185,-0.0018,-0.00465,-0.0034,-0.00655,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0015,0.0028,-0.0041,0.0031,-0.00115
French_IA_north,0.01126,0.0137,0.01464,0.01426,0.0 1348,0.00674,-0.00144,0.00112,0.00394,0.00414,-0.00046,0.00696,-0.01112,-0.00588,0.0153,-0.00326,-0.00964,0.00294,0.0002,0.00264,0.00634,0.0026,-0.00318,-0.00124,-0.00106

[paradox]

Distanceto:scaled
0.07311245 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.07579549 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07693526 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07743494 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07951528 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.08340249 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.08601171 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.08604901 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.08861548 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.09077796 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.09273891 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.09298426 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.09348391 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.09370999 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.09673772 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.09730112 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.09790959 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.10025939 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.10051442 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.10123654 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.10236436 FRA_BA:NIED
0.10624966 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.10698995 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.10704671 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.10715598 FRA_BA:QUIN234


My father's

Distanceto:Father_scaled
0.05711366 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06250789 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06485514 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.06496214 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06781125 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.06812916 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.07269775 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.07281719 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.07491516 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.07527435 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.07748822 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.07809604 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.07875141 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.08114882 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.08149557 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08231808 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.08327355 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.08540906 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.08853196 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.08935006 FRA_IA:COL11
0.09003705 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.09024418 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.09486147 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.09642026 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.09785050 FRA_BA:PIR3116B

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.1804% / 0.02180441
51.8 FRA_BA
36.4 FRA_IA
11.8 FRA_BBC

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.03947324 FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.04245167 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04336042 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04468015 FRA_BA:OBE3722
0.04469922 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04489419 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.04509707 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04774567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05236638 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.05458083 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05514880 FRA_BA:BIS130
0.05895727 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05984162 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.06048271 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06127854 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.06169770 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.06659498 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06662068 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06699030 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.07222374 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07428619 FRA_BBC:CBV95
0.07795116 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07831371 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08100463 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08557103 FRA_BA:QUIN58

[gixajo]

From the abstract of the paper we know samples were form Picardy (those "British like" probably), Alsace (so Colmar possible) and Roussilon (those "Iberian" most likely).


6

Did you make those averages according to places where they were found or according if they were more Northern or Southern shifted genetically?

[gixajo]

Scaled

French_IA_central,0.121363875,0.142047375,0.048978 5,0.02559775,0.040353625,0.003555875,0.001087125,0 .0060285,0.010379375,0.017471875,0.00044675,0.0038 59125,-0.014011375,-0.0081885,0.0114855,0.004027375,-0.000065125,0.003024625,0.00490225,0.00181325,-0.002386375,0.00239575,-0.0022645,-0.006190625,0.003682375
French_IA_south,0.1297585,0.153345,0.0512885,0.003 3915,0.0400075,-0.0026495,-0.00282,0.0043845,0.017589,0.0278825,-0.0090125,0.0025475,-0.022745,-0.016308,-0.002443,-0.0061655,-0.004433,-0.008298,-0.0011315,0.001626,0.0018715,0.0034625,-0.005053,0.0037355,-0.0013775
French_IA_north,0.1281648,0.1391276,0.0552106,0.04 60598,0.0414848,0.0187972,-0.003384,0.0025846,0.0080584,0.0075446,-0.0007468,0.0104308,-0.0165312,-0.008092,0.0207652,-0.0043226,-0.0125688,0.0037248,0.0002514,0.0033018,0.007911,0 .0032148,-0.0039194,-0.0014942,-0.0012692



Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.0340% / 0.03033957
56.4 French_IA_south
43.6 French_IA_central


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.0340% / 0.03034005 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 French_IA_south
43.2 French_IA_central
Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03548084 French_IA_south
0.03855512 French_IA_central
0.06275172 French_IA_north





Unscaled

French_IA_central,0.0106625,0.0139875,0.0129875,0. 007925,0.0131125,0.001275,0.0004625,0.0026125,0.00 5075,0.0095875,0.000275,0.002575,-0.009425,-0.00595,0.0084625,0.0030375,-0.00005,0.0023875,0.0039,0.00145,-0.0019125,0.0019375,-0.0018375,-0.0051375,0.003075
French_IA_south,0.0114,0.0151,0.0136,0.00105,0.013 ,-0.00095,-0.0012,0.0019,0.0086,0.0153,-0.00555,0.0017,-0.0153,-0.01185,-0.0018,-0.00465,-0.0034,-0.00655,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0015,0.0028,-0.0041,0.0031,-0.00115
French_IA_north,0.01126,0.0137,0.01464,0.01426,0.0 1348,0.00674,-0.00144,0.00112,0.00394,0.00414,-0.00046,0.00696,-0.01112,-0.00588,0.0153,-0.00326,-0.00964,0.00294,0.0002,0.00264,0.00634,0.0026,-0.00318,-0.00124,-0.00106


Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.7577% / 0.01757718
54.6 French_IA_central
39.2 French_IA_south
6.2 French_IA_north

Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.7584% / 0.01758392 | ADC: 0.25x
57.4 French_IA_central
38.6 French_IA_south
4.0 French_IA_north

Distance to: gixajo
0.02006160 French_IA_central
0.02293376 French_IA_south
0.02749225 French_IA_north

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03137452 French_IA_north
0.05052461 French_IA_central
0.07272213 French_IA_south

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.1375% / 0.03137452
100.0 French_IA_north

Distance to: CDG
0.02213959 French_IA_north
0.02917812 French_IA_central
0.03620908 French_IA_south

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.2140% / 0.02213959 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 French_IA_north

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.2034% / 0.02203365 | ADC: 0.25x
94.2 French_IA_north
4.6 French_IA_south
1.2 French_IA_central

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.2023% / 0.02202334
91.6 French_IA_north
6.4 French_IA_south
2.0 French_IA_central

[J. Ketch]

From the abstract of the paper we know samples were form Picardy (those "British like" probably), Alsace (so Colmar possible) and Roussilon (those "Iberian" most likely).


Added to Vahaduo G25 sheets


G25 Ancient Averages scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-averages-scaled.htm
G25 Ancient Individual Samples scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-scaled.htm
G25 Modern AND Ancient averages scaled http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern&ancient-scaled-averages.htm



I created three "Regional" averages from scaled IA samples.

French_IA_central,0.121363875,0.142047375,0.048978 5,0.02559775,0.040353625,0.003555875,0.001087125,0 .0060285,0.010379375,0.017471875,0.00044675,0.0038 59125,-0.014011375,-0.0081885,0.0114855,0.004027375,-0.000065125,0.003024625,0.00490225,0.00181325,-0.002386375,0.00239575,-0.0022645,-0.006190625,0.003682375
French_IA_south,0.1297585,0.153345,0.0512885,0.003 3915,0.0400075,-0.0026495,-0.00282,0.0043845,0.017589,0.0278825,-0.0090125,0.0025475,-0.022745,-0.016308,-0.002443,-0.0061655,-0.004433,-0.008298,-0.0011315,0.001626,0.0018715,0.0034625,-0.005053,0.0037355,-0.0013775
French_IA_north,0.1281648,0.1391276,0.0552106,0.04 60598,0.0414848,0.0187972,-0.003384,0.0025846,0.0080584,0.0075446,-0.0007468,0.0104308,-0.0165312,-0.008092,0.0207652,-0.0043226,-0.0125688,0.0037248,0.0002514,0.0033018,0.007911,0 .0032148,-0.0039194,-0.0014942,-0.0012692



Target: French_IA_north
Distance: 1.6889% / 0.01688899 | ADC: 0.25x
78.2 Orcadian
16.6 Basque_French
2.2 German_East
1.2 French_Seine-Maritime
1.2 Georgian_Imer
0.6 Gupta

Target: French_IA_south
Distance: 2.2888% / 0.02288819 | ADC: 0.25x
25.4 Basque_French
22.4 Italian_Bergamo
22.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
10.2 Spanish_Cantabria
8.8 Swiss_German

Target: French_IA_central
Distance: 1.2881% / 0.01288117 | ADC: 0.25x
84.6 French_Occitanie
5.2 Cossack_Ukrainian
3.8 Sorb_Niederlausitz
2.6 Danish
1.4 Makrani
1.0 Afrikaner
1.0 Spanish_Soria
0.4 Igbo


unscaled

French_IA_central,0.0106625,0.0139875,0.0129875,0. 007925,0.0131125,0.001275,0.0004625,0.0026125,0.00 5075,0.0095875,0.000275,0.002575,-0.009425,-0.00595,0.0084625,0.0030375,-0.00005,0.0023875,0.0039,0.00145,-0.0019125,0.0019375,-0.0018375,-0.0051375,0.003075
French_IA_south,0.0114,0.0151,0.0136,0.00105,0.013 ,-0.00095,-0.0012,0.0019,0.0086,0.0153,-0.00555,0.0017,-0.0153,-0.01185,-0.0018,-0.00465,-0.0034,-0.00655,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0015,0.0028,-0.0041,0.0031,-0.00115
French_IA_north,0.01126,0.0137,0.01464,0.01426,0.0 1348,0.00674,-0.00144,0.00112,0.00394,0.00414,-0.00046,0.00696,-0.01112,-0.00588,0.0153,-0.00326,-0.00964,0.00294,0.0002,0.00264,0.00634,0.0026,-0.00318,-0.00124,-0.00106
Distance to: French_IA_central
0.01836116 French_Occitanie
0.01992016 French_Nord
0.02001315 Swiss_German
0.02010575 French_Auvergne
0.02146704 French_Alsace
0.02326936 French_Paris
0.02406969 Belgian
0.02512221 Swiss_French
0.02749666 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02923713 French_Provence
0.02978600 Spanish_Penedes
0.03157672 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03170476 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03176115 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03293200 Spanish_Girona
0.03327149 Afrikaner
0.03332821 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03341302 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03371856 French_Brittany
0.03439197 French_Seine-Maritime

Distance to: French_IA_south
0.02659054 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02687417 Spanish_Lleida
0.02691101 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02712619 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02779199 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02825692 Spanish_Cantabria
0.02840331 Spanish_Girona
0.02841046 Spanish_Penedes
0.02844341 French_Auvergne
0.02894150 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02920993 Spanish_Castello
0.02943644 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02944759 Spanish_Baleares
0.03017083 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03049151 French_Occitanie
0.03060514 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03095231 Spanish_Aragon
0.03104795 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03144606 Swiss_French
0.03155593 Spanish_Valencia

Distance to: French_IA_north
0.02210180 French_Brittany
0.02217248 Orcadian
0.02233140 Welsh
0.02258090 English_Cornwall
0.02333884 English
0.02459577 Scottish
0.02641903 Irish
0.02920395 Afrikaner
0.02971536 German
0.02985365 Dutch
0.03031681 Belgian
0.03151486 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03186352 Danish
0.03187203 French_Nord
0.03190293 Icelandic
0.03253647 Shetlandic
0.03327638 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03543332 French_Alsace
0.03583817 Swiss_German
0.03682448 French_Paris

Distance to: French_IA_central
0.02246613 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.02279887 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.02295740 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.02361756 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.02488720 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.02491989 CHE_EBA
0.02552017 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.02620666 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02627186 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.02645243 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.03000543 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.03011788 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.03105462 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.03133375 Iberia_Central_CA_Stp
0.03133676 Scythian_HUN
0.03169848 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.03449459 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.03456474 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.03575588 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
0.03828138 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA

Distance to: French_IA_south
0.03066107 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA
0.03412962 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.03549672 CHE_IA
0.03550457 DEU_Lech_MBA
0.03605457 DEU_Roman
0.03626566 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
0.03829039 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.03929757 ITA_Etruscan
0.04086013 Iberia_North_IA
0.04184369 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04242418 TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier
0.04249746 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1
0.04291406 Bell_Beaker_CHE
0.04328363 Iberia_East_IA
0.04370631 HRV_MBA
0.04402731 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.04402928 Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.04582712 Iberia_Mallorca_EBA
0.04634181 HRV_IA
0.04652799 Levant_LBN_MA_o6

Distance to: French_IA_north
0.01955774 England_Roman
0.02514184 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.02639627 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.02716930 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.02723298 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02731926 Scotland_LBA
0.02813338 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.02981117 CHE_EBA
0.03014663 DEU_MA
0.03089065 ITA_Collegno_MA
0.03135458 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.03146856 England_MBA
0.03152619 DEU_Lech_BBC
0.03214408 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.03252579 England_IA
0.03292018 DEU_Singen_EBA
0.03391737 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.03418167 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.03525188 Scotland_MBA
0.03564934 CZE_Bilina_BA

[J. Ketch]

Tolan at Anthrogenica made this PCA

https://i.postimg.cc/YS0hXZjQ/ancient-french.png
https://i.postimg.cc/85b9jKBn/ancient-french2.png

[Jana]

I think IA samples from Alsace are good proxy for pre-Germanic genetics of west Germans/Swiss Germans etc.
Lok at this, very tight fit (especially for ancient samples)

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778123

81.0 French_IA_central
19.0 DEU_MA

Target: German
Distance: 1.5412% / 0.01541185

64.4 DEU_MA
35.6 French_IA_central

DEU_MA are medieval Germanic invaders.

[J. Ketch]

I think IA samples from Alsace are good proxy for pre-Germanic genetics of west Germans/Swiss Germans etc.
Lok at this, very tight fit.

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778123

81.0 French_IA_central
19.0 DEU_MA

Target: German
Distance: 1.5412% / 0.01541185

64.4 DEU_MA
35.6 French_IA_central

DEU_MA are medieval Germanic invaders.
True, however the DEU_MA average is also a bit mixed.

[Coastal Elite]

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.03528485 French_IA_central
0.04495326 French_IA_north
0.05000891 French_IA_south

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.3049% / 0.03304867
48.8 French_IA_central
29.4 French_IA_north
21.8 French_IA_south

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.3073% / 0.03307348 | ADC: 0.25x
54.0 French_IA_central
26.8 French_IA_north
19.2 French_IA_south

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.3415% / 0.03341507 | ADC: 0.5x
69.0 French_IA_central
19.6 French_IA_north
11.4 French_IA_south

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.5285% / 0.03528485 | ADC: 1x
100.0 French_IA_central

[J. Ketch]

Distance to: Creoda_scaled
0.02083557 Scotland_LBA
0.02147757 England_Roman
0.02521238 DEU_MA
0.02839086 Wales_CA_EBA
0.02844212 England_MBA
0.02910648 French_IA_north
0.02975949 England_Saxon
0.03135821 England_EMBA
0.03200425 England_IA
0.03309167 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.03320007 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.03357491 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.03424258 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.03432581 Scotland_MBA
0.03474647 England_CA_EBA
0.03485607 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.03578501 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.03580068 IRL_BA
0.03610503 SWE_IA
0.03623381 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.03692177 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.03757336 Levant_LBN_MA_o2
0.03785433 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.03831237 DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.03899925 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN



Distance to: CreodaMum_scaled
0.01501598 England_IA
0.02049317 England_Roman
0.02063289 England_Saxon
0.02096937 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02252300 Scotland_MBA
0.02285357 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.02313877 England_MBA
0.02330726 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02335872 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02393305 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.02402464 DEU_Alberstedt_LN
0.02406601 Scotland_LBA
0.02430672 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria
0.02439318 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02514604 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.02641732 Corded_Ware_CHE
0.02715068 IRL_BA
0.02727590 England_CA_EBA
0.02744041 SVK_Poprad_MA
0.02853803 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.02902766 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
0.02908963 DEU_MA
0.02966651 Scotland_CA_EBA
0.03077622 Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA
0.03089415 DEU_Lech_EBA
0.03090020 Wales_CA_EBA
0.03112654 Bell_Beaker_FRA
0.03218036 HUN_MA_Szolad
0.03248507 French_IA_north
0.03252407 DEU_Unetice_EBA


Distance to: CreodaDad_scaled
0.02662160 England_Roman
0.02724223 Scotland_LBA
0.02747963 DEU_MA
0.02912275 England_EMBA
0.03081039 French_IA_north
0.03143897 England_MBA
0.03149132 SWE_IA
0.03362395 England_Saxon
0.03479369 CZE_Bilina_BA
0.03489938 Wales_CA_EBA
0.03602536 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
0.03668765 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
0.03722684 England_CA_EBA
0.03736068 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.03757741 Bell_Beaker_Scotland
0.03837980 Scotland_MBA
0.03854625 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
0.03864033 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.03879118 England_IA
0.03936935 IRL_BA
0.03956314 CZE_Unetice_EBA
0.04022373 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
0.04033294 Bell_Beaker_England
0.04044214 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.04123273 Bell_Beaker_POL



French IA North has brought down the distance for my father (Irish) quite well.

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.6886% / 0.01688592 | ADC: 0.25x
41.8 Scotland_LBA
26.8 Wales_CA_EBA
10.0 England_EMBA
5.0 DEU_MA
4.4 French_IA_north
3.8 CHE_FN_steppe
3.8 Iberia_North_IA
3.6 French_IA_south
0.8 SWE_IA

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.0387% / 0.02038715 | ADC: 0.25x
31.6 French_IA_north
29.0 England_EMBA
16.0 SWE_IA
7.8 Wales_CA_EBA
7.0 DEU_BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN
4.4 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
2.2 Baltic_LTU_Late_Antiquity_low_res
2.0 Iberia_North_IA

[Kamal900]

I think IA samples from Alsace are good proxy for pre-Germanic genetics of west Germans/Swiss Germans etc.
Lok at this, very tight fit (especially for ancient samples)

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778123

81.0 French_IA_central
19.0 DEU_MA

Target: German
Distance: 1.5412% / 0.01541185

64.4 DEU_MA
35.6 French_IA_central

DEU_MA are medieval Germanic invaders.

So..basically, the German speaking Swiss are mostly Germanized natives then? I mean, does it fit with the migrations of the Germanic tribe called the alemanni into the region during the early middle ages? I mean, the Swiss Germans speak the Alemannic german dialects that were spoken by the Alemanni, so I do wonder about that.

[Lucas]

Tolan at Anthrogenica made this PCA

https://i.postimg.cc/YS0hXZjQ/ancient-french.png
https://i.postimg.cc/85b9jKBn/ancient-french2.png

Col11 was like Viking. I wonder if it was part of Celtic autosomal continuum or some proto-Germanic?

[gixajo]

Tolan at Anthrogenica made this PCA

4]

Thanks.

Where is that Tolan from? I mean, nationality.

[Lucas]

Thanks.

Where is that Tolan from? I mean, nationality.

NW French

[XenophobicPrussian]

Did you make those averages according to places where they were found or according if they were more Northern or Southern shifted genetically?
He made them according to where they clustered, no one knows where each sample is from as of now. We can however assume the names given to the samples correspond to the same site, and every site is diverse. For example, if "COL" is "Colmar", you already have a South French clustering one that's also closer to Iberians than to N French, and also a N. French one. In the "NOR" site, you have an Iberian clustering one and one that gets Brittany and then Orcadian as top two closest. To me it's clear what's going on but people seem dead set on making the southern shifted ones out to be southern French. I guess the Iberian/South French clustering Bavarian and Swiss samples from around are also south French? :confused:

I think IA samples from Alsace are good proxy for pre-Germanic genetics of west Germans/Swiss Germans etc.
Lok at this, very tight fit (especially for ancient samples)

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778123

81.0 French_IA_central
19.0 DEU_MA

Target: German
Distance: 1.5412% / 0.01541185

64.4 DEU_MA
35.6 French_IA_central

DEU_MA are medieval Germanic invaders.
Those are bad fits for Iron Age and Dark Ages pops. Also, if the only Iron Age sample right now from Switzerland is Iberian-like(SX18), why would you assume they were like these central shifted samples(who are not necessarily from Alsace, by the way, these are grouped by cluster not geographic location, if anything we can only speculate the ones from COL/potential Colmar are from Alsace, and they're diverse)? That's way too low Germanic for Swiss Germans considering how much Germanic Y-DNA they have, Swiss Germans need much more southern shift/Roman to have any sort of accurate model.

Also, using French_IA_South gives a better fit:


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.5942% / 0.01594191
53.2 French_IA_south
46.8 DEU_MA

but like I said, those are still horrible fits for IA/Dark Ages pops, needs Roman.


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.0036% / 0.01003582
53.2 DEU_MA
27.0 Italic
12.6 French_IA_central
7.2 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.9558% / 0.00955832
55.8 DEU_MA
21.4 Italic
15.4 French_IA_south
7.4 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1

Two even better models with local Swiss/Bavarian Iberian clustering samples and French_IA_South grouped together into Celtic in the first one and all Alpine area South French clustering samples grouped into Celtic for the second one:

DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.1486057,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
Celtic:French_IA_south,0.1297585,0.153345,0.051288 5,0.003 3915,0.0400075,-0.0026495,-0.00282,0.0043845,0.017589,0.0278825,-0.0090125,0.0025475,-0.022745,-0.016308,-0.002443,-0.0061655,-0.004433,-0.008298,-0.0011315,0.001626,0.0018715,0.0034625,-0.005053,0.0037355,-0.0013775
Celtic:SX20,0.129758,0.147252,0.055814,0.012274,0. 055087,0.009203,0.001175,0.001846,0.013908,0.0277,-0.003897,0.012589,-0.019623,-0.007707,0.005293,-0.008884,-0.017341,-0.003801,0.001006,-0.008504,-0.003494,0.004699,-0.002711,-0.006266,-0.00479
Celtic:SX18_scaled,0.126344,0.152329,0.048271,-0.00646,0.051394,-0.007251,0.0047,-0.000692,0.016362,0.035354,0.002598,0.016485,-0.016055,-0.006055,0.001629,0.000663,0.006128,0.00266,0.0038 97,-0.006628,0.006364,0.006183,-0.011709,-0.006145,0.000958
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA: POST_50,0.120652,0.153345,0.043746,-0.002584,0.052933,-0.003347,-0.00329,-0.002077,0.022293,0.031162,-0.005846,0.008692,-0.022299,-0.010459,-0.002172,0.014585,0.021253,0.004307,0.001257,-0.005753,0.00262,0.000124,0.002835,-0.005181,-0.010418
Celtic: DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.156392,0.04 7894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855



Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.8877% / 0.00887738
52.6 DEU_MA
30.4 Celtic
9.4 Italic
7.6 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1


Celtic: DA111,0.124067,0.151314,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0 .005857,0.001175,0.002308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006 059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA: POST_44,0.124067,0.144205,0.056568,0.008721,0.0492 4,-0.001952,-0.00188,0.000692,0.008795,0.028247,0.001299,0.0092 92,-0.017988,-0.003028,0.005293,0.008353,-0.002608,-0.00266,0.004525,0.001126,-0.008235,-0.008285,-0.001356,-0.002651,-0.003233
Celtic:MX254_2,0.130897,0.136081,0.055437,0.024871 ,0.041854,0.00251,0.0047,0.006231,0.017794,0.02478 4,-0.004384,0.007493,-0.016501,-0.014313,0.003122,0.018165,0.014473,0.003547,-0.002388,5e-04,-0.004243,0.011129,0.001479,-0.010483,0.001317
Celtic:MX283,0.126344,0.137096,0.057322,0.023579,0 .050779,-0.003068,0.001175,0.003,0.020043,0.035172,-0.005521,0.009591,-0.014866,-0.009083,-0.000814,0.022408,0.016689,0.000127,0.004022,-0.002376,-0.001497,0.00643,-0.00456,-0.010242,0.001437
Celtic:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
Celtic:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
Celtic:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
Celtic:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.1486057,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.9311% / 0.00931124
52.6 DEU_MA
26.2 Italic
14.4 Celtic
6.8 Roman

Even then Germanic is still too inflated, they also need the northern shifted Gauls, this is the best model imo:


Celtic:French_IA_south,0.1297585,0.153345,0.051288 5,0.003 3915,0.0400075,-0.0026495,-0.00282,0.0043845,0.017589,0.0278825,-0.0090125,0.0025475,-0.022745,-0.016308,-0.002443,-0.0061655,-0.004433,-0.008298,-0.0011315,0.001626,0.0018715,0.0034625,-0.005053,0.0037355,-0.0013775
Celtic:SX20,0.129758,0.147252,0.055814,0.012274,0. 055087,0.009203,0.001175,0.001846,0.013908,0.0277,-0.003897,0.012589,-0.019623,-0.007707,0.005293,-0.008884,-0.017341,-0.003801,0.001006,-0.008504,-0.003494,0.004699,-0.002711,-0.006266,-0.00479
Celtic:SX18_scaled,0.126344,0.152329,0.048271,-0.00646,0.051394,-0.007251,0.0047,-0.000692,0.016362,0.035354,0.002598,0.016485,-0.016055,-0.006055,0.001629,0.000663,0.006128,0.00266,0.0038 97,-0.006628,0.006364,0.006183,-0.011709,-0.006145,0.000958
Celtic: DEU_Lech_EBA: POST_50,0.120652,0.153345,0.043746,-0.002584,0.052933,-0.003347,-0.00329,-0.002077,0.022293,0.031162,-0.005846,0.008692,-0.022299,-0.010459,-0.002172,0.014585,0.021253,0.004307,0.001257,-0.005753,0.00262,0.000124,0.002835,-0.005181,-0.010418
Celtic: DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d,0.127482,0.156392,0.04 7894,0.005491,0.04647,-0.011435,0.00329,0.011538,0.010022,0.031345,0.0064 96,0.012889,-0.012487,-0.01156,-0.0095,0.000796,0.001565,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.005753,-0.002995,0.009521,-0.001356,-0.006386,-0.011855
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.1486057,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
FRA_IA_British:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0. 037468,0.047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA2_British:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA2_British: PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0.050163 ,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.7539% / 0.00753909
45.2 DEU_MA
26.4 Celtic
11.2 FRA_IA2_British
9.2 Italic
8.0 Roman


Using just French_IA north works well too, but they're a bit diverse:


Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.8168% / 0.00816796
42.0 DEU_MA
24.4 Celtic
14.6 French_IA_north
10.6 Italic
8.4 Roman


Creoda was also right that the DEU_MA sample is somewhat mixed(STR 480, AED_1135, potentially ALH_10 need to be taken out), but using the average vs split up doesn't change the results much anyway for DEU_MA.


So..basically, the German speaking Swiss are mostly Germanized natives then? I mean, does it fit with the migrations of the Germanic tribe called the alemanni into the region during the early middle ages? I mean, the Swiss Germans speak the Alemannic german dialects that were spoken by the Alemanni, so I do wonder about that.
lol no, it's just a bad model. Germanic is still the plurality of admixture in Swiss Germans. Swiss French/Italians are however very different.

[dududud]

NW French

He's breton, not just "nw french".

What we know about IA, except two or three who are very "northern", is that they cover the French cluster. Nothing new

[Kamal900]

He made them according to where they clustered, no one knows where each sample is from as of now. We can however assume the names given to the samples correspond to the same site, and every site is diverse. For example, if "COL" is "Colmar", you already have a South French clustering one that's also closer to Iberians than to N French, and also a N. French one. In the "NOR" site, you have an Iberian clustering one and one that gets Brittany and then Orcadian as top two closest. To me it's clear what's going on but people seem dead set on making the southern shifted ones out to be southern French. I guess the Iberian/South French clustering Bavarian and Swiss samples from around are also south French? :confused:

Those are bad fits for Iron Age and Dark Ages pops. Also, if the only Iron Age sample right now from Switzerland is Iberian-like(SX18), why would you assume they were like these central shifted samples(who are not necessarily from Alsace, by the way, these are grouped by cluster not geographic location, if anything we can only speculate the ones from COL/potential Colmar are from Alsace, and they're diverse)? That's way too low Germanic for Swiss Germans considering how much Germanic Y-DNA they have, Swiss Germans need much more southern shift/Roman to have any sort of accurate model.

Also, using French_IA_South gives a better fit:



but like I said, those are still horrible fits for IA/Dark Ages pops, needs Roman.





Two even better models with local Swiss/Bavarian Iberian clustering samples and French_IA_South grouped together into Celtic in the first one and all Alpine area South French clustering samples grouped into Celtic for the second one:








Even then Germanic is still too inflated, they also need the northern shifted Gauls, this is the best model imo:





Using just French_IA north works well too, but they're a bit diverse:



Creoda was also right that the DEU_MA sample is somewhat mixed(STR 480, AED_1135, potentially ALH_10 need to be taken out), but using the average vs split up doesn't change the results much anyway for DEU_MA.


lol no, it's just a bad model. Germanic is still the plurality of admixture in Swiss Germans. Swiss French/Italians are however very different.

Yeah. Your models are far more better fits than Feiichy's models. I guess the Alemmanic migrations to the region was significant in the early middle ages, right? Very fascinating stuff right there.

[Lucas]

He made them according to where they clustered, no one knows where each sample is from as of now. We can however assume the names given to the samples correspond to the same site, and every site is diverse. For example, if "COL" is "Colmar", you already have a South French clustering one that's also closer to Iberians than to N French, and also a N. French one. In the "NOR" site, you have an Iberian clustering one and one that gets Brittany and then Orcadian as top two closest. To me it's clear what's going on but people seem dead set on making the southern shifted ones out to be southern French. I guess the Iberian/South French clustering Bavarian and Swiss samples from around are also south French? :confused:


I think COL=Colmar is random similarity. I looked in Picardy, Alsace or Roussilon for places with names similar to those abbreviations and it seems there weren't any. Maybe some small villages if yes.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I think COL=Colmar is random similarity. I looked in Picardy, Alsace or Roussilon for places with names similar to those abbreviations and it seems there weren't any. Maybe some small villages if yes.
Colmar is in Alsace..? The abbreviations may not mean locations, but I haven't seen another paper yet name samples the same thing when they weren't from the same site.

[Lucas]

Colmar is in Alsace..? The abbreviations may not mean locations, but I haven't seen another paper yet name samples the same thing when they weren't from the same site.

Ok, it is just waste of time to discuss it, better wait for release of full paper. It will be clear.

[gixajo]

He made them according to where they clustered, no one knows where each sample is from as of now. We can however assume the names given to the samples correspond to the same site, and every site is diverse. For example, if "COL" is "Colmar", you already have a South French clustering one that's also closer to Iberians than to N French, and also a N. French one. In the "NOR" site, you have an Iberian clustering one and one that gets Brittany and then Orcadian as top two closest. To me it's clear what's going on but people seem dead set on making the southern shifted ones out to be southern French. I guess the Iberian/South French clustering Bavarian and Swiss samples from around are also south French? :confused:

Those are bad fits for Iron Age and Dark Ages pops. Also, if the only Iron Age sample right now from Switzerland is Iberian-like(SX18), why would you assume they were like these central shifted samples(who are not necessarily from Alsace, by the way, these are grouped by cluster not geographic location, if anything we can only speculate the ones from COL/potential Colmar are from Alsace, and they're diverse)? That's way too low Germanic for Swiss Germans considering how much Germanic Y-DNA they have, Swiss Germans need much more southern shift/Roman to have any sort of accurate model.



lol no, it's just a bad model. Germanic is still the plurality of admixture in Swiss Germans. Swiss French/Italians are however very different.

Using a basic logic says us that Southern Shifted would be from Southern france and Northern shifted to Northern France, but logic should also say us clearest outlier must be removed to calculate averages.



I would simply let samples as they are and in the case of calculate possible average ancient Gaul sample, I would remove clearest outliers and make one sample with all restants averages, and call it "Ancient_Gaul".

One sample made with the average of all samples would plot quite average modern central-French, isn´t it?

[J. Ketch]

Wherever the samples are from, it's quite clear from the PCA that France drifted in the genetic direction of Iberia/Italy (but not towards Basques) between the Bronze and Iron Age.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Using a basic logic says us that Southern Shifted would be from Southern france and Northern shifted to Northern France, but logic should also say us clearest outlier must be removed to calculate averages.



I would simply let samples as they are and in the case of calculate possible average ancient Gaul sample, I would remove clearest outliers and make one sample with all restants averages, and call it "Ancient_Gaul".

One sample made with the average of all samples would plot quite average modern central-French, isn´t it?
Not when there's already Iberian clustering samples as far north as Bavaria and southern French/Basque-like mercenaries in Mecklenburg, no, and all of Europe north of the Alps, even in the east like Czechia/Slovakia, needs southern admixture to get to modern Europeans that cannot be explained by Romans(because it's present where Romans didn't step a single foot in). "Gaul" is not a core population anyway, but a mix between Hallstatt Celtic migrants from the Alps and French natives who probably spoke some extinct language. There's a lot of extinct Indo-European languages, Venetic, etc.

The presumption of the southern shifted samples needing to be from southern France just comes from a place of people can't cope when they learn they're extremely mixed. They want full genetic continuity. The truth is, N. French may cluster with some of these Gaul samples, some likely from the actual North of France, but N. French are anything but 100% Gaul, not anywhere close. Bergamo Italians may cluster with Etruscans, but they are not anywhere near direct descendants of Etruscans. Everyone is mixed. You can even ignore any autosomal DNA data, all you have to do is look at a map of Y-DNA frequencies in Europe.

[Jana]

Yeah. Your models are far more better fits than Feiichy's models. I guess the Alemmanic migrations to the region was significant in the early middle ages, right? Very fascinating stuff right there.

Far better fit :lol: What a bullcrap, my fits are below 2 which is extremely close for ancient models, because ancient samples have genetic drift and shouldn't be perfect fit anyway.

People often make mistake of overfiting to lower already low distance. Even unmixed modern Europeans often get higher distances like 3 or more for their ethnic group.

However I agree with his point Germanic admixture should be pretty significant in Swiss Germans, certanly more than 20%. Swiss Germans have lot more Germanic dna than that and language shifts especially among barbarians don't occur without siginificant DNA input. And ofcourse there will be Roman admixture too.

[J. Ketch]

Wherever the samples are from, it's quite clear from the PCA that France drifted in the genetic direction of Iberia/Italy (but not towards Basques) between the Bronze and Iron Age.
This caveat is important because it means that it was not the result of Bronze Age Northern French mixing with Bronze Age Southern French (who were Basque/Aquitanian like), but an influence from outside/on the fringes, ie Hallstatt/La Tene Celts.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Far better fit :lol: What a bullcrap, my fits are below 2 which is extremely close for ancient models, because ancient samples have genetic drift and shouldn't be perfect fit anyway.

People often make mistake of overfiting to lower already low distance. Even unmixed modern Europeans often get higher distances like 3 or more for their ethnic group.

However I agree with his point Germanic admixture should be pretty significant in Swiss Germans, certanly more than 20%. Swiss Germans have lot more Germanic dna than that and language shifts especially among barbarians don't occur without siginificant DNA input. And ofcourse there will be Roman admixture too.
It is a far better fit. Iron Age populations already have most of the drift moderns do(especially a population like DEU_MA which is already Dark Ages), anything less than a fit of 1 for models using populations younger than 500 BC is horrible. Iron Age is not ancient anymore, it's pretty much modern. Fits around 2 are literally standard and typical for Bronze Age/2300 BC+ models, when there was literally no Germanic/Celtic/Slavic specific genetic drift/etc, anything 3 or higher is going to be Yamnaya+neolithic/etc.


Bell_Beaker_NLD,0.1284778,0.1228792,0.0626964,0.07 32402,0.024543,0.0242984,0.0004994,0.003346,-0.0082066,-0.0132576,-0.0051356,0.0029222,-0.0081208,-0.014588,0.0251934,0.0100105,-0.0060466,-0.0022011,0.0012412,0.0072378,0.005849,0.0026894,0 .0002158,0.0061454,-0.000464
LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0 .164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278 ,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
FRA_Lingolsheim_MN,0.1236873,0.1739943,0.0209933,-0.0699833,0.070372,-0.038115,-0.0055617,-0.0059997,0.0455407,0.080913,0.0105013,0.015936,-0.025669,0.001789,-0.0294967,-0.0138777,0.0079967,0.006419,0.0119833,-0.0095047,-0.0029117,0.0033797,-0.0041083,-0.015303,0.0011573


Target: French_Alsace
Distance: 1.6504% / 0.01650360
69.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
30.6 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN

Target: French_Brittany
Distance: 1.8205% / 0.01820510
77.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
22.2 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN
0.2 LUX_Loschbour

Target: English
Distance: 2.1717% / 0.02171665
80.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
18.8 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN
0.4 LUX_Loschbour

Target: Dutch
Distance: 2.1044% / 0.02104442
83.6 Bell_Beaker_NLD
16.4 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN


:laugh: There is absolutely no such thing as overfitting, it is a complete myth created by Davidski. I even remember the first time he used the term around 2016, when Poles didn't turn up to be 100% of the ancient Slav sample, he said it must've been due to overfitting. He literally didn't like that Poles aren't 100% Slavic so he created this stupid term. I've also heard the term overfitting used to explain Germans scoring Slavic. :picard1: Again, look at the Y-DNA of ancient sample groups(extremely uniform and homogenous), and then look at the Y-DNA frequencies of modern Europe. Everyone is extremely mixed, without "overfitting" you're basically lieing to yourself and pretending you're a mix of 2-3 populations, when that's extremely unrealistic.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.04506191 Bell_Beaker_NLD
0.18790471 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN
0.37022965 LUX_Loschbour

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 4.5062% / 0.04506191 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Bell_Beaker_NLD

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 4.2090% / 0.04208972 | ADC: 1x
98.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
1.8 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.0494% / 0.03049386 | ADC: 0.5x
88.8 Bell_Beaker_NLD
11.2 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.8926% / 0.02892572 | ADC: 0.25x
85.4 Bell_Beaker_NLD
14.6 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.8820% / 0.02882023
84.2 Bell_Beaker_NLD
15.8 FRA_Lingolsheim_MN

[J. Ketch]

Thanks to Peterski for converting these files and sending them to David.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks to Peterski for converting these files and sending them to David.

Yes he's a champ. :thumb001:

[Jana]

It is a far better fit. Iron Age populations already have most of the drift moderns do(especially a population like DEU_MA which is already Dark Ages), anything less than a fit of 1 for models using populations younger than 500 BC is horrible. Iron Age is not ancient anymore, it's pretty much modern. Fits around 2 are literally standard and typical for Bronze Age/2300 BC+ models, when there was literally no Germanic/Celtic/Slavic specific genetic drift/etc, anything 3 or higher is going to be Yamnaya+neolithic/etc.






:laugh: There is absolutely no such thing as overfitting, it is a complete myth created by Davidski. I even remember the first time he used the term around 2016, when Poles didn't turn up to be 100% of the ancient Slav sample, he said it must've been due to overfitting. He literally didn't like that Poles aren't 100% Slavic so he created this stupid term. I've also heard the term overfitting used to explain Germans scoring Slavic. :picard1: Again, look at the Y-DNA of ancient sample groups(extremely uniform and homogenous), and then look at the Y-DNA frequencies of modern Europe. Everyone is extremely mixed, without "overfitting" you're basically lieing to yourself and pretending you're a mix of 2-3 populations, when that's extremely unrealistic.

Nonsense. Distances below 3 are very good, and I have never seen full Europeans scoring below 1 for their groups. If they do it is extremelly rare occurence.

I don't need Davidski to see that overfiting exists, it absolutely does. I get much lower distances with gazillion populations who have absolutely nothing to do with my ancestry and it doesn't make it realistic at all.

[J. Ketch]

I get some pretty good distances for my mother with these new samples.

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.9909% / 0.00990916
40.4 Germanic
23.6 England_IA
19.0 FRA_IA
12.2 Britain_BA
4.0 Slavic
0.8 ImperialRoman

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0515% / 0.01051545
46.4 Germanic
28.6 Britain_BA
18.0 FRA_IA
4.2 Slavic
2.8 ImperialRoman





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FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0.057699,0.0532 95,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003,0.007976,0.003 28,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0.059585,0.0503 88,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923,0.002045,0.00 3827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0.060339,0.04037 5,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.003231,0.001227,0.0 10752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02004546 England_IA:I0160
0.02536153 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.02839255 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.03209042 England_IA:I0156
0.03577431 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03728353 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.03770922 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.04170613 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04197293 England_IA:M1489
0.04364449 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04855569 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.05040868 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05207900 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05493145 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05515775 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05522127 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.05581640 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.05654879 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06078658 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06120997 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06590770 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06621788 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07314464 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07362566 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07989075 FRA_IA:NOR2B6

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.0045% / 0.02004546 | ADC: 2x
100.0 England_IA:I0160

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.9088% / 0.01908847 | ADC: 1x
93.6 England_IA:I0160
6.4 England_IA:I0156

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6055% / 0.01605485 | ADC: 0.5x
69.8 England_IA:I0160
12.8 England_IA:I0156
7.6 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
6.2 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
2.0 FRA_IA:COL11
1.6 FRA_IA:COL153A

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4825% / 0.01482512 | ADC: 0.25x
57.2 England_IA:I0160
12.4 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
10.6 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
7.2 England_IA:I0156
5.0 FRA_IA:COL153A
3.6 FRA_IA:COL11
2.4 FRA_IA:NOR4
1.6 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4509% / 0.01450887
47.4 England_IA:I0160
19.6 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
11.8 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
5.2 FRA_IA:ERS88
4.8 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
4.4 FRA_IA:COL153A
4.2 FRA_IA:COL11
2.0 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.6 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5404% / 0.01540391
39.6 FRA_IA
25.8 Italic
21.2 Iberia_Central_BA
7.2 ImperialRoman
3.6 Mozabite
1.8 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.8 Germanic

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5404% / 0.01540392
25.6 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
21.4 Iberia_Central_BA
20.2 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
9.2 FRA_IA:BFM265
7.2 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
6.8 FRA_IA:BES1248
3.6 Mozabite
3.0 FRA_IA:PEY53
1.8 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.8 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.4 FRA_IA:ERS88

[gixajo]

Quite similar in my case.(Distances)

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6096% / 0.01609575
29.6 FRA_BA
26.6 Italic
13.2 Iberia_Central_BA
10.2 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
7.2 ImperialRoman
5.6 England_IA
4.8 Mozabite
2.8 Germanic

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6096% / 0.01609575
26.6 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
13.2 Iberia_Central_BA
11.8 FRA_BA:PSS4170
11.0 FRA_BA:QUIN58
10.2 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
7.2 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
5.6 England_IA:I0156
5.2 FRA_BA:OBE3722
4.8 Mozabite
2.8 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
1.6 FRA_BA:QUIN234

[J. Ketch]

I get some pretty good distances for my mother with these new samples.

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.9909% / 0.00990916
40.4 Germanic
23.6 England_IA
19.0 FRA_IA
12.2 Britain_BA
4.0 Slavic
0.8 ImperialRoman

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0515% / 0.01051545
46.4 Germanic
28.6 Britain_BA
18.0 FRA_IA
4.2 Slavic
2.8 ImperialRoman





ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.14860 57,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111,0.124067,0.15131 4,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0.005857,0.001175,0.002 308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006 059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.06307 32,0 .0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.0030575,0 .001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Britain_BA:England_MBA,0.1270132,0.1290916,0.06306 78,0.059755,0.0341783,0.019916,0.0014929,0.0049274 ,0.0045958,-0.0013935,-0.0047379,0.0039671,-0.0111495,-0.0156566,0.0246771,0.0091564,-0.0059516,0.0030703,0.0009834,0.0039871,0.0046975, 0.0047133,-0.0006381,0.0058335,-0.0012045
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.01 8128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.00037 7,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865 ,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.0028 63,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653 ,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003 477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0 003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.0 38776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0 .047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584, 0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015 126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0. 037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010 106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636, 0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0 .040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0 .033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
FRA_IA:ERS1164,0.124067,0.121864,0.052797,0.030039 ,0.033237,0.010877,0.011516,0.00923,0,0.019135,-0.002598,-0.01154,-0.01115,-0.012799,0.009908,0.006364,-0.002738,0.00038,0.001257,-0.004627,-0.007487,0.003957,0.002218,-0.011809,0.005389
FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
England_IA:I0156,0.132035,0.138112,0.057699,0.0532 95,0.038776,0.017291,0.001645,0.003,0.007976,0.003 28,-0.00682,0.005845,-0.015609,-0.017478,0.025108,0.011403,0.001434,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.006503,0.00836,-0.005812,-0.004437,0.013496,-0.005029
England_IA:I0160,0.129758,0.136081,0.059585,0.0503 88,0.03416,0.023427,0.002585,0.00923,0.002045,0.00 3827,-0.007632,0.009741,-0.016204,-0.018992,0.019951,-0.006099,-0.015776,0.008995,0.007542,0.003126,0.004243,0.001 607,0.006409,0.012411,-0.000479
England_IA:M1489,0.12862,0.123895,0.060339,0.04037 5,0.027697,0.023148,0.005405,0.003231,0.001227,0.0 10752,0.005684,0.007343,-0.010406,-0.016928,0.020222,0.014054,0.01017,-0.004561,0.00352,-0.001626,0.001622,0.003586,-0.001972,0.00964,-0.000479
Father's result:

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.2170% / 0.02216983
41.6 Britain_BA
41.2 FRA_IA
13.2 Germanic
4.0 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111

45% Continental Celtic, not bad.

Even with England IA added it's still a hefty chunk.

Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.1399% / 0.02139899
33.6 FRA_IA
28.8 England_IA
20.8 Britain_BA
14.0 Germanic
2.8 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111

[J. Ketch]

Non-aggregated:



Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.2170% / 0.02216983
41.6 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
30.6 FRA_IA:COL11
12.0 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
9.2 FRA_IA:BES1248
4.0 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
1.4 FRA_IA:BFM265
1.2 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773



Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0516% / 0.01051568
28.6 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
27.0 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
17.2 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
10.6 FRA_IA:NOR4
6.2 FRA_IA:ERS86
4.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
3.0 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
2.6 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.4 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.4 FRA_IA:PEY53

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.9909% / 0.00990909
22.8 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
13.8 England_IA:I0160
13.4 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
12.2 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
10.0 England_IA:M1489
9.0 FRA_IA:NOR4
8.6 FRA_IA:ERS86
4.2 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
4.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
1.2 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.8 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1

The Gaulish in my father is heavy, but it comes from BES1248 and COL11, who are likely Belgae and/or Germanic mixed (BES1248 is apparently I1)

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 3.8079% / 0.03807898
82.2 FRA_IA
17.8 FRA_BA


Distance to: Viriato_scaled
0.04583500 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.05587122 FRA_BA:RIX2
0.05628578 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05663639 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.06025355 FRA_BA:QUIN58
0.06294881 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.06323588 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.06397584 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.06433216 FRA_BA:PSS4170
0.06481904 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.06782799 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06801248 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06897305 FRA_BA:RIX15
0.06903338 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06936371 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07215782 FRA_BA:RIX4
0.07221139 FRA_BA:EUG11
0.07249243 FRA_BA:NIED
0.07563008 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.07720677 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07975766 FRA_BA:BIS385
0.08065525 FRA_BA:QUIN234
0.08816742 FRA_IA:COL11
0.08878502 FRA_BA:PIR3116B
0.08986482 FRA_BA:BIS130

[Coastal Elite]

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.4392% / 0.01439153
30.2 England_IA
20.0 Slavic
18.8 ImperialRoman
16.4 Germanic
14.6 Italic

Non- Agg

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.4392% / 0.01439157
27.6 England_IA:I0160
20.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
18.8 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
16.4 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
9.0 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
5.6 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
2.6 England_IA:M1489


Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.04420762 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.04425652 England_IA:M1489
0.04646285 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04700995 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.04750392 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04770478 England_IA:I0160
0.05107202 England_IA:I0156
0.05129398 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.05193589 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.05219918 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.05367926 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.05435407 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.05453842 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.05529729 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05555213 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.05668221 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05725410 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.05874818 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05875382 FRA_IA:COL11
0.06063956 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06211210 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.06375474 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.06721246 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.06818223 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
0.06882957 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249

Mom


Target: Daco_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7199% / 0.01719871
49.0 Germanic
34.6 England_IA
12.2 FRA_IA
3.0 Slavic
1.2 Italic

Non- Agg

Target: Daco_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.7199% / 0.01719871
34.6 England_IA:I0160
19.8 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
15.2 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
14.0 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
6.8 FRA_IA:ATT26
5.4 FRA_IA:ERS88
3.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
1.2 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851

Distance to: Daco_mom_scaled
0.02418895 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.02577393 England_IA:I0160
0.02719645 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.03318187 England_IA:I0156
0.03649055 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.04136268 England_IA:M1489
0.04214448 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.04243685 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04318599 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04498269 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04707960 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.05035641 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05046051 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05320771 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.05477722 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.05567368 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05671789 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05778298 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.05926978 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.06629753 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06696702 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.07067641 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07691634 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07742375 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07934763 FRA_IA:NOR2B6

Dad (estimate)


Target: Dad
Distance: 3.2248% / 0.03224767
40.4 Slavic
35.2 ImperialRoman
22.6 Italic
1.8 FRA_IA

Target: Dad
Distance: 3.2248% / 0.03224767
40.4 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
35.2 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
12.6 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
10.0 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
1.8 FRA_IA:ATT26

Distance to: Dad
0.06644468 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
0.06844002 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.07153731 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.07165569 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07370014 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.07470302 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.07524139 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07542961 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
0.07546334 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07806385 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.08221262 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.08221805 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08278841 England_IA:M1489
0.08382959 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.08515098 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.08762616 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.08974382 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.09111433 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.09121151 England_IA:I0160
0.09222820 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.09455172 England_IA:I0156
0.09597191 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.09600264 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.09755249 FRA_IA:COL11
0.09850314 Britain_BA:England_MBA

[J. Ketch]

I guess it's true that Scandinavians aren't close to pure Germanic.

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.2984% / 0.01298413
66.2 Germanic
25.2 England_IA
8.6 FRA_IA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4525% / 0.01452526
53.4 Germanic
31.2 FRA_IA
10.2 England_IA
5.2 Slavic

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.3642% / 0.01364205
77.8 Germanic
17.0 FRA_IA
5.2 Britain_BA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4650% / 0.01465025
58.0 Germanic
36.0 FRA_IA
5.8 CZE_Early_Slav
0.2 ImperialRoman

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5492% / 0.01549245
33.0 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
13.2 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
13.2 England_IA:I0156
12.8 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
8.0 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
6.0 FRA_IA:ERS88
5.2 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
5.2 FRA_IA:PEY53
3.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-6

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5492% / 0.01549245
53.8 Germanic
19.8 FRA_IA
13.2 Britain_BA
13.2 England_IA

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02236680 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.02361793 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.02422726 England_IA:I0156
0.03199100 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.03347005 England_IA:I0160
0.04058783 England_IA:M1489
0.04154123 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.04231330 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.04245167 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04336042 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04469922 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04509707 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04602010 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04774567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05458083 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05895727 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05908444 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.06048271 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06219364 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06659498 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06662068 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07222374 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07795116 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07831371 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08100463 FRA_IA:NOR2B6

[gixajo]

Non-aggregated:



Target: CreodaDad_scaled
Distance: 2.2170% / 0.02216983
41.6 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
30.6 FRA_IA:COL11
12.0 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
9.2 FRA_IA:BES1248
4.0 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
1.4 FRA_IA:BFM265
1.2 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773



Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 1.0516% / 0.01051568
28.6 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
27.0 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
17.2 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
10.6 FRA_IA:NOR4
6.2 FRA_IA:ERS86
4.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
3.0 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
2.6 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.4 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.4 FRA_IA:PEY53

Target: CreodaMum_scaled
Distance: 0.9909% / 0.00990909
22.8 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
13.8 England_IA:I0160
13.4 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
12.2 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
10.0 England_IA:M1489
9.0 FRA_IA:NOR4
8.6 FRA_IA:ERS86
4.2 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
4.0 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
1.2 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.8 ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1

The Gaulish in my father is heavy, but it comes from BES1248 and COL11, who are likely Belgae and/or Germanic mixed (BES1248 is apparently I1)

And what could BES mean? Besançon? it´s a Northeast French city.

[J. Ketch]

And what could BES mean? Besançon? it´s a Northeast French city.
Don't know.

A reminder that the Italian in this chart present in Northern Europeans is likely a distant Celtic signal.
https://i.postimg.cc/9fv9JwGy/Got-VW-admixture-estimates.png

[XenophobicPrussian]

I guess it's true that Scandinavians aren't close to pure Germanic.

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.2984% / 0.01298413
66.2 Germanic
25.2 England_IA
8.6 FRA_IA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4525% / 0.01452526
53.4 Germanic
31.2 FRA_IA
10.2 England_IA
5.2 Slavic

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.3642% / 0.01364205
77.8 Germanic
17.0 FRA_IA
5.2 Britain_BA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4650% / 0.01465025
58.0 Germanic
36.0 FRA_IA
5.8 CZE_Early_Slav
0.2 ImperialRoman
Think you removed too many samples from DEU_MA, no reason to remove ALH_1, NW_255, STR_316, STR_486 imo, ALH_10 and ALH_3 are debatable, STR_480 definitely needed to go. There's far more FRA_IA and Briton samples in the model, so, that can definitely have an affect if the populations being compared are pretty close. Always a good idea to have around the same amount of individuals for each pop if using individuals over averages(and individuals are more accurate so it is a good idea to use them over averages). Also adding the closest samples from Viking_Sigtuna to Scandinavians is probably a good idea, given the Baiuvarii samples were West Germanic speakers closely related to Franks, and West Germanics were from the Netherlands and seperated from Scandinavians for a good amount of time. Adding local samples almost always makes a model look more normal.


Germanic:vik_84001,0.133173,0.125926,0.076933,0.06 1047,0.041238,0.021196,0.002585,0.006461,0.000205,-0.012028,-0.000974,0.004046,-0.000297,-0.006331,0.018051,0.013259,0.009648,0.001647,-0.000754,0.00075,0.002371,0.000371,0.005176,0.0128 93,0.001437
Germanic:vik_97026,0.122929,0.133034,0.095412,0.07 1383,0.034776,-0.000279,0.014336,-0.001615,-0.011249,0.001458,0.010718,0.010491,0.001635,0.008 67,0.008958,-0.007425,-0.033639,0.008108,0.009553,-0.01013,0.00025,0.009645,0.007025,0.01699,-0.002874
Germanic:vik_kls001,0.125205,0.120848,0.075047,0.0 58786,0.040623,0.026774,0.00658,0.019153,0.00859,0 .000911,-0.007145,-0.000899,-0.016501,-0.007432,0.022258,0.0118,-0.003651,-0.011275,0.013827,0.010255,0.012478,0.021268,-0.017131,0.012532,0.008502
Germanic:vik_stg021,0.125205,0.122879,0.065242,0.0 53295,0.041854,0.027889,0.00564,0.003461,0.005113,-0.002551,-0.007145,0.005695,-0.007582,-0.009771,0.012758,-0.008884,-0.017993,0.001394,0.007039,0.006253,-0.001996,0.005812,-0.002218,0.004097,0.001796
Germanic:vik_urm045,0.129758,0.131003,0.084475,0.0 78489,0.041546,0.020638,-0.004465,0.017768,-0.005931,-0.011663,-0.011854,0.007493,-0.006244,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.005038,-0.015255,-0.005321,0.00176,0.008004,0.008235,-0.004328,-0.003944,0.005302,-0.012214
Germanic:vik_urm161,0.126344,0.118817,0.062225,0.0 6137,0.034468,0.021475,0.010105,0.011769,-0.004704,-0.00656,-0.003735,0.00015,-0.005798,-0.007294,0.014386,0.019491,0.019427,0.005068,0.006 159,0.020385,0.008984,0.00779,0.000863,0.023618,0. 005628



Target: Danish
Distance: 0.8542% / 0.00854206
78.4 Germanic
21.6 FRA_IA

Target: Swedish
Distance: 0.5481% / 0.00548086
86.6 Germanic
7.2 Slavic
4.0 FRA_IA
2.2 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 0.9879% / 0.00987936
73.8 Germanic
21.4 England_IA
4.8 FRA_IA

Obviously still not pure Germanics, no one should've thought so after seeing modern Scandinavian Y-DNA, but far closer to the numbers given from that Scandinavian paper in the pic in your post above, Denmark: 82% Denmark/Norway/Sweden admixture | Norway: 90% | NorwayB(West Norway?): 65% | Sweden: 91%.

Also not a fan of using England_IA, atleast not all of the samples+with Celtic samples present, because it already has a ton of Celtic, maybe even Germanic. If you really dislike only using England/Scotland MBA/LBA, I'd also use along with England_IAEngland_Roman:6DT21,0.126344,0.12491,0.0 61471,0.047804,0.027697,0.013945,0.005405,0.009923 ,-0.00225,-0.000911,-0.019487,0.012589,-0.011447,-0.007707,0.019951,0.006099,-0.008345,-0.003927,0.002765,0.003752,0.002246,0.001237,0.003 697,0.002289,-0.001317
England_Roman:6DT3,0.132035,0.13405,0.058077,0.050 711,0.033237,0.029005,0.008225,0.003461,0.001023,-0.004556,-0.005034,0.005245,-0.017096,-0.005918,0.028908,-0.011403,-0.023469,0.001774,0.003142,0.006378,0.010731,0.000 124,-0.002588,0.011086,0.002874
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4,0.124067,0.133034,0.069767,0.056848,0.032929,0.0 27331,0.001175,0.008769,0.00409,0.008565,-0.009094,0.006294,-0.014866,-0.025873,0.022122,0.008618,0.000522,0,0.011816,0.0 02626,0.005989,0.003091,0.006286,0.019159,0.008023


https://i.imgur.com/nJBPpH0.png
Those two English samples from the Roman period are by far the most outlying of the IA/Roman samples, and also geographically far more inland England and away from the east coast than England_IA was.

[J. Ketch]

Think you removed too many samples from DEU_MA, no reason to remove ALH_1, NW_255, STR_316, STR_486 imo, ALH_10 and ALH_3 are debatable, STR_480 definitely needed to go. There's far more FRA_IA and Briton samples in the model, so, that can definitely have an affect if the populations being compared are pretty close. Always a good idea to have around the same amount of individuals for each pop if using individuals over averages(and individuals are more accurate so it is a good idea to use them over averages). Also adding the closest samples from Viking_Sigtuna to Scandinavians is probably a good idea, given the Baiuvarii samples were West Germanic speakers closely related to Franks, and West Germanics were from the Netherlands and seperated from Scandinavians for a good amount of time. Adding local samples almost always makes a model look more normal.





Obviously still not pure Germanics, no one should've thought so after seeing modern Scandinavian Y-DNA, but far closer to the numbers given from that Scandinavian paper in the pic in your post above, Denmark: 82% Denmark/Norway/Sweden admixture | Norway: 90% | NorwayB(West Norway?): 65% | Sweden: 91%.

Also not a fan of using England_IA, atleast not all of the samples+with Celtic samples present, because it already has a ton of Celtic, maybe even Germanic. If you really dislike only using England/Scotland MBA/LBA, I'd also use along with England_IAEngland_Roman:6DT21,0.126344,0.12491,0.0 61471,0.047804,0.027697,0.013945,0.005405,0.009923 ,-0.00225,-0.000911,-0.019487,0.012589,-0.011447,-0.007707,0.019951,0.006099,-0.008345,-0.003927,0.002765,0.003752,0.002246,0.001237,0.003 697,0.002289,-0.001317
England_Roman:6DT3,0.132035,0.13405,0.058077,0.050 711,0.033237,0.029005,0.008225,0.003461,0.001023,-0.004556,-0.005034,0.005245,-0.017096,-0.005918,0.028908,-0.011403,-0.023469,0.001774,0.003142,0.006378,0.010731,0.000 124,-0.002588,0.011086,0.002874
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4,0.124067,0.133034,0.069767,0.056848,0.032929,0.0 27331,0.001175,0.008769,0.00409,0.008565,-0.009094,0.006294,-0.014866,-0.025873,0.022122,0.008618,0.000522,0,0.011816,0.0 02626,0.005989,0.003091,0.006286,0.019159,0.008023


https://i.imgur.com/nJBPpH0.png
Those two English samples from the Roman period are by far the most outlying of the IA/Roman samples, and also geographically far more inland England and away from the east coast than England_IA was.
Yeah, I'm at the point where I don't take any result over 1.0 distance seriously, although even under it there can be some wild inconsistency and unrealistic results.

[Graham]

Would using Anglo-Saxons really be worth it for the Irish, Scots English etc..? Unless you can find a Saxon that has came off the boat better to stick with early Iron Age Denmark, Sweden and Norway vs Bronze/Iron age Scotland, England & Ireland. Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773 probably just gets in the way of a clean result and looks weirder.

Perhaps will try and catch up a bit on all this today as have the time. :)


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5492% / 0.01549245
33.0 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
13.2 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
13.2 England_IA:I0156
12.8 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
8.0 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
6.0 FRA_IA:ERS88
5.2 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
5.2 FRA_IA:PEY53
3.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-6

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5492% / 0.01549245
53.8 Germanic
19.8 FRA_IA
13.2 Britain_BA
13.2 England_IA

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02236680 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.02361793 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.02422726 England_IA:I0156
0.03199100 Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773
0.03347005 England_IA:I0160
0.04058783 England_IA:M1489
0.04154123 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.04231330 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.04245167 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04336042 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04469922 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04509707 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04602010 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04774567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05458083 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05895727 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05908444 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.06048271 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06219364 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06659498 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06662068 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07222374 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.07795116 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07831371 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.08100463 FRA_IA:NOR2B6

[J. Ketch]

Would using Anglo-Saxons really be worth it for the Irish, Scots English etc..? Unless you can find a Saxon that has came off the boat better to stick with early Iron Age Denmark, Sweden and Norway vs Bronze/Iron age Scotland, England & Ireland. Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773 probably just gets in the way of a clean result and looks weirder.

Perhaps will try and catch up a bit on all this today as have the time. :)
It's a worthwhile point you make, as the England_Saxon average is ethnically mixed with native Britons, however I0773 looks purely off-the-boat Anglo-Saxon, that's why I chose it.

The major limitation is not having enough contemporary samples to compare, a handful of samples from different times and places doesn't produce reliable results in separating the very fine differences between these groups or modern NW Euro ancestry.

[Aren]

These IA and BA sampls from France are very low coverage, the authors decided to release the low coverage samples first and the remaining higher coverage ones(100+) will come out when the paper is out.

[Aren]

I guess it's true that Scandinavians aren't close to pure Germanic.

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.2984% / 0.01298413
66.2 Germanic
25.2 England_IA
8.6 FRA_IA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4525% / 0.01452526
53.4 Germanic
31.2 FRA_IA
10.2 England_IA
5.2 Slavic

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.3642% / 0.01364205
77.8 Germanic
17.0 FRA_IA
5.2 Britain_BA

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.4650% / 0.01465025
58.0 Germanic
36.0 FRA_IA
5.8 CZE_Early_Slav
0.2 ImperialRoman

What is included under "Germanic" here?

[J. Ketch]

What is included under "Germanic" here?


Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.01 8128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.00037 7,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865 ,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.0028 63,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653 ,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003 477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Not enough, as XP already said.

[Aren]

Germanic:England_Saxon:I0773,0.141141,0.126941,0.0 63356,0.071383,0.044008,0.024263,0.00799,0.011307, 0.00409,-0.00656,-0.005359,0.005395,-0.01219,-0.013074,0.021172,0.011668,-0.001434,0.000887,0.008673,0.008629,0.010981,0.003 957,-0.003081,0.015544,-0.007424
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.01 8128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.00037 7,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865 ,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.0028 63,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653 ,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003 477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Not enough, as XP already said.

I would include most of the DEU_MA samples. Aswell as the Icelandic pre-Christian average.

[Grace O'Malley]

Using this model with the Saxon removed this is what I get.


ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.14860 57,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111,0.124067,0.15131 4,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0.005857,0.001175,0.002 308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006 059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.06307 32,0 .0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.0030575,0 .001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Britain_BA:England_MBA,0.1270132,0.1290916,0.06306 78,0.059755,0.0341783,0.019916,0.0014929,0.0049274 ,0.0045958,-0.0013935,-0.0047379,0.0039671,-0.0111495,-0.0156566,0.0246771,0.0091564,-0.0059516,0.0030703,0.0009834,0.0039871,0.0046975, 0.0047133,-0.0006381,0.0058335,-0.0012045
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.01 8128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.00037 7,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865 ,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.0028 63,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653 ,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003 477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0 003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.0 38776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0 .047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584, 0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015 126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0. 037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010 106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636, 0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0 .040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0 .033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
FRA_IA:ERS1164,0.124067,0.121864,0.052797,0.030039 ,0.033237,0.010877,0.011516,0.00923,0,0.019135,-0.002598,-0.01154,-0.01115,-0.012799,0.009908,0.006364,-0.002738,0.00038,0.001257,-0.004627,-0.007487,0.003957,0.002218,-0.011809,0.005389
FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
Germanic:vik_84001,0.133173,0.125926,0.076933,0.06 1047,0.041238,0.021196,0.002585,0.006461,0.000205,-0.012028,-0.000974,0.004046,-0.000297,-0.006331,0.018051,0.013259,0.009648,0.001647,-0.000754,0.00075,0.002371,0.000371,0.005176,0.0128 93,0.001437
Germanic:vik_97026,0.122929,0.133034,0.095412,0.07 1383,0.034776,-0.000279,0.014336,-0.001615,-0.011249,0.001458,0.010718,0.010491,0.001635,0.008 67,0.008958,-0.007425,-0.033639,0.008108,0.009553,-0.01013,0.00025,0.009645,0.007025,0.01699,-0.002874
Germanic:vik_kls001,0.125205,0.120848,0.075047,0.0 58786,0.040623,0.026774,0.00658,0.019153,0.00859,0 .000911,-0.007145,-0.000899,-0.016501,-0.007432,0.022258,0.0118,-0.003651,-0.011275,0.013827,0.010255,0.012478,0.021268,-0.017131,0.012532,0.008502
Germanic:vik_stg021,0.125205,0.122879,0.065242,0.0 53295,0.041854,0.027889,0.00564,0.003461,0.005113,-0.002551,-0.007145,0.005695,-0.007582,-0.009771,0.012758,-0.008884,-0.017993,0.001394,0.007039,0.006253,-0.001996,0.005812,-0.002218,0.004097,0.001796
Germanic:vik_urm045,0.129758,0.131003,0.084475,0.0 78489,0.041546,0.020638,-0.004465,0.017768,-0.005931,-0.011663,-0.011854,0.007493,-0.006244,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.005038,-0.015255,-0.005321,0.00176,0.008004,0.008235,-0.004328,-0.003944,0.005302,-0.012214
Germanic:vik_urm161,0.126344,0.118817,0.062225,0.0 6137,0.034468,0.021475,0.010105,0.011769,-0.004704,-0.00656,-0.003735,0.00015,-0.005798,-0.007294,0.014386,0.019491,0.019427,0.005068,0.006 159,0.020385,0.008984,0.00779,0.000863,0.023618,0. 005628
England_Roman:6DT21,0.126344,0.12491,0.061471,0.04 7804,0.027697,0.013945,0.005405,0.009923,-0.00225,-0.000911,-0.019487,0.012589,-0.011447,-0.007707,0.019951,0.006099,-0.008345,-0.003927,0.002765,0.003752,0.002246,0.001237,0.003 697,0.002289,-0.001317
England_Roman:6DT3,0.132035,0.13405,0.058077,0.050 711,0.033237,0.029005,0.008225,0.003461,0.001023,-0.004556,-0.005034,0.005245,-0.017096,-0.005918,0.028908,-0.011403,-0.023469,0.001774,0.003142,0.006378,0.010731,0.000 124,-0.002588,0.011086,0.002874
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4,0.124067,0.133034,0.069767,0.056848,0.032929,0.0 27331,0.001175,0.008769,0.00409,0.008565,-0.009094,0.006294,-0.014866,-0.025873,0.022122,0.008618,0.000522,0,0.011816,0.0 02626,0.005989,0.003091,0.006286,0.019159,0.008023

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5736% / 0.01573631
53.0 Germanic
26.8 England_Roman
20.2 FRA_IA

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02236680 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.02361793 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.03168301 England_Roman:6DT21
0.03273178 England_Roman:6DT3
0.03752881 Germanic:vik_stg021
0.03776544 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
0.03842393 Germanic:vik_84001
0.04154123 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.04185799 Germanic:vik_kls001
0.04231330 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.04245167 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04336042 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04469922 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04509707 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04602010 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04722692 Germanic:vik_urm045
0.04774567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05022194 Germanic:vik_urm161
0.05458083 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05895727 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05908444 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.06048271 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06219364 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06659498 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06662068 FRA_IA:ERS86

[J. Ketch]

Using this model with the Saxon removed this is what I get.


ImperialRoman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1,0.1069937,0.14860 57,-0.0248897,-0.0551253,0.0057443,-0.016083,-0.0018017,-0.003769,0.0008863,0.0154293,0.007091,0.0059443,-0.008325,0.000642,-0.0068313,-0.0010607,0.008388,-0.001098,0.004483,0.0007087,-0.001539,0.002267,0.0031223,0.0018077,0.0015967
CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111,0.124067,0.15131 4,0.063356,0.026163,0.0437,0.005857,0.001175,0.002 308,0.020861,0.02442,-0.012342,0.00015,-0.01665,-0.003165,0.014658,-0.009546,-0.018254,0.003801,0.005908,0.001626,0.009858,0.006 059,-0.004437,-0.005904,-0.005269
Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA,0.1297585,0.133542,0.06307 32,0 .0527298,0.0351605,0.0193132,0.0061102,0.0030575,0 .001892,-0.0027338,-0.0060082,0.0064818,-0.0180252,-0.0164115,0.024226,0.0058672,-0.0143422,0.0036108,0.0032995,0.0005313,0.0056462, 0.0044822,-0.0003393,0.0042172,0.0041315
Britain_BA:England_MBA,0.1270132,0.1290916,0.06306 78,0.059755,0.0341783,0.019916,0.0014929,0.0049274 ,0.0045958,-0.0013935,-0.0047379,0.0039671,-0.0111495,-0.0156566,0.0246771,0.0091564,-0.0059516,0.0030703,0.0009834,0.0039871,0.0046975, 0.0047133,-0.0006381,0.0058335,-0.0012045
Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016,0.127482,0.1472 52,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851,0.133173,0.1563 92,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5,0.126344,0.123895,0.076555,0.062016,0.03139,0.01 8128,0.007755,0.007615,0.009204,-0.007472,0.001624,0.007493,-0.009514,-0.018992,0.025651,0.02254,0.01356,0.004814,0.00037 7,0.002876,0.004742,0.005935,0.002095,0.012652,-0.00467
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865 ,0.067184,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.0028 63,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653 ,0.04845,0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003 477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Mozabite,-0.0649782,0.135551,-0.0032793,-0.0717622,0.0260249,-0.0328364,-0.0260656,0.0108257,0.0617306,0.0303463,0.0065097,-0.006366,0.021795,-0.0165685,0.0163159,-0.016176,-0.0027097,-0.0219282,-0.0435571,0.0082757,-0.0146263,-0.0367947,0.0246817,-0.0042277,0.0056594
Iberia_Central_BA,0.1239044,0.1505886,0.059639,0.0 003691,0.0686281,-0.0074901,-0.0052371,-0.0001319,0.0395609,0.0550354,-0.0029926,0.01291,-0.0243167,-0.019621,0.0066116,0.0103233,0.0156089,-0.0004163,-0.0021549,0.0007146,0.0115154,-0.0001766,-0.0088561,-0.020261,0.0028397
Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0. 046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.0 38776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0 .047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584, 0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015 126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0. 037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010 106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636, 0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0 .040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0 .033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
FRA_IA:ERS1164,0.124067,0.121864,0.052797,0.030039 ,0.033237,0.010877,0.011516,0.00923,0,0.019135,-0.002598,-0.01154,-0.01115,-0.012799,0.009908,0.006364,-0.002738,0.00038,0.001257,-0.004627,-0.007487,0.003957,0.002218,-0.011809,0.005389
FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
Germanic:vik_84001,0.133173,0.125926,0.076933,0.06 1047,0.041238,0.021196,0.002585,0.006461,0.000205,-0.012028,-0.000974,0.004046,-0.000297,-0.006331,0.018051,0.013259,0.009648,0.001647,-0.000754,0.00075,0.002371,0.000371,0.005176,0.0128 93,0.001437
Germanic:vik_97026,0.122929,0.133034,0.095412,0.07 1383,0.034776,-0.000279,0.014336,-0.001615,-0.011249,0.001458,0.010718,0.010491,0.001635,0.008 67,0.008958,-0.007425,-0.033639,0.008108,0.009553,-0.01013,0.00025,0.009645,0.007025,0.01699,-0.002874
Germanic:vik_kls001,0.125205,0.120848,0.075047,0.0 58786,0.040623,0.026774,0.00658,0.019153,0.00859,0 .000911,-0.007145,-0.000899,-0.016501,-0.007432,0.022258,0.0118,-0.003651,-0.011275,0.013827,0.010255,0.012478,0.021268,-0.017131,0.012532,0.008502
Germanic:vik_stg021,0.125205,0.122879,0.065242,0.0 53295,0.041854,0.027889,0.00564,0.003461,0.005113,-0.002551,-0.007145,0.005695,-0.007582,-0.009771,0.012758,-0.008884,-0.017993,0.001394,0.007039,0.006253,-0.001996,0.005812,-0.002218,0.004097,0.001796
Germanic:vik_urm045,0.129758,0.131003,0.084475,0.0 78489,0.041546,0.020638,-0.004465,0.017768,-0.005931,-0.011663,-0.011854,0.007493,-0.006244,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.005038,-0.015255,-0.005321,0.00176,0.008004,0.008235,-0.004328,-0.003944,0.005302,-0.012214
Germanic:vik_urm161,0.126344,0.118817,0.062225,0.0 6137,0.034468,0.021475,0.010105,0.011769,-0.004704,-0.00656,-0.003735,0.00015,-0.005798,-0.007294,0.014386,0.019491,0.019427,0.005068,0.006 159,0.020385,0.008984,0.00779,0.000863,0.023618,0. 005628
England_Roman:6DT21,0.126344,0.12491,0.061471,0.04 7804,0.027697,0.013945,0.005405,0.009923,-0.00225,-0.000911,-0.019487,0.012589,-0.011447,-0.007707,0.019951,0.006099,-0.008345,-0.003927,0.002765,0.003752,0.002246,0.001237,0.003 697,0.002289,-0.001317
England_Roman:6DT3,0.132035,0.13405,0.058077,0.050 711,0.033237,0.029005,0.008225,0.003461,0.001023,-0.004556,-0.005034,0.005245,-0.017096,-0.005918,0.028908,-0.011403,-0.023469,0.001774,0.003142,0.006378,0.010731,0.000 124,-0.002588,0.011086,0.002874
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4,0.124067,0.133034,0.069767,0.056848,0.032929,0.0 27331,0.001175,0.008769,0.00409,0.008565,-0.009094,0.006294,-0.014866,-0.025873,0.022122,0.008618,0.000522,0,0.011816,0.0 02626,0.005989,0.003091,0.006286,0.019159,0.008023

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.5736% / 0.01573631
53.0 Germanic
26.8 England_Roman
20.2 FRA_IA

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02236680 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.02361793 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.03168301 England_Roman:6DT21
0.03273178 England_Roman:6DT3
0.03752881 Germanic:vik_stg021
0.03776544 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
0.03842393 Germanic:vik_84001
0.04154123 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.04185799 Germanic:vik_kls001
0.04231330 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.04245167 FRA_IA:COL11
0.04336042 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04469922 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04509707 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.04602010 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04722692 Germanic:vik_urm045
0.04774567 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05022194 Germanic:vik_urm161
0.05458083 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05895727 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05908444 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.06048271 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06219364 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06659498 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06662068 FRA_IA:ERS86
The distinguishing of Insular and Germanic ancestry is still a problem, but I'm glad at least that Gauls/Celts are starting to show up as a significant factor in British/Irish ancestry, as well as other NW Euro's.

[Grace O'Malley]

With model above.

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.1201% / 0.01120148
60.4 Germanic
26.2 FRA_IA
11.4 England_Roman
2.0 ImperialRoman

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 1.1339% / 0.01133882
50.8 Germanic
18.2 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
14.6 England_Roman
8.8 FRA_IA
6.0 Britain_BA
1.6 Italic

It seems to work better for the Swedes.

Target: Swedish
Distance: 0.7871% / 0.00787088
80.2 Germanic
7.4 England_Roman
4.8 Slavic
4.6 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
3.0 FRA_IA

[celticdragongod]

Grace's model:

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02536153 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.02839255 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.02997703 England_Roman:6DT3
0.03028696 Germanic:vik_stg021
0.03249859 England_Roman:6DT21
0.03402270 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
0.03577431 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03728353 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04170613 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.04252669 Germanic:vik_84001
0.04364449 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_249
0.04855569 Germanic:ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-5
0.05021313 Germanic:vik_kls001
0.05040868 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05089884 Germanic:vik_urm045
0.05207900 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.05412997 Germanic:vik_urm161
0.05493145 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05515775 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05522127 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.05581640 Germanic:DEU_MA:AED_106
0.05654879 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06078658 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06120997 Slavic:CZE_Early_Slav
0.06590770 FRA_IA:COL153A

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5362% / 0.02536153 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2221% / 0.02222149 | ADC: 1x
66.6 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
14.4 Germanic:vik_stg021
12.6 England_Roman:6DT3
5.4 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
1.0 FRA_IA:COL11

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7776% / 0.01777570 | ADC: 0.5x
28.2 England_Roman:6DT3
19.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
13.8 FRA_IA:BFM265
11.2 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
8.4 Germanic:vik_84001
7.2 England_Roman:6DT21
6.8 Germanic:vik_stg021
5.0 FRA_IA:COL11
0.4 FRA_IA:NOR4

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5852% / 0.01585186 | ADC: 0.25x
37.0 England_Roman:6DT3
18.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
14.4 Germanic:vik_84001
10.2 FRA_IA:BFM265
6.8 FRA_IA:NOR4
6.0 FRA_IA:COL11
4.0 Germanic:vik_97026
3.4 England_Roman:6DT21
0.2 FRA_IA:COL153A

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.5635% / 0.01563546
38.6 England_Roman:6DT3
18.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4
15.8 Germanic:vik_84001
6.4 FRA_IA:COL11
6.4 FRA_IA:NOR4
5.6 Germanic:vik_97026
4.0 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
4.0 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.6 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.6 Germanic:vik_urm045

[XenophobicPrussian]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323793-Ancient-genomes-from-present-day-France-unveil-7-000-years-of-its-demographic-history

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/22/2/1590520133-3939nln4.jpg

Told you mothercluckers, not a single one of the southern shifted IA Gauls was actually from the south. :laugh: They're all from Alsace and Paris area, including the Iberian clustering ones.

There's no debate anymore imo, Hallstatt Celts, the people who spread the language, culture, and their genes from the core Alpine area, are Iberian-S. French-like, and are extremely similar to Italics, if not the exact same people(the original Italics, of course, not modern Italic speakers). This is why Celtic and Italic languages are so similar.

[J. Ketch]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323793-Ancient-genomes-from-present-day-France-unveil-7-000-years-of-its-demographic-history

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/22/2/1590520133-3939nln4.jpg

Told you mothercluckers, not a single one of the southern shifted IA Gauls was actually from the south. :laugh: They're all from Alsace and Paris area, including the Iberian clustering ones.

There's no debate anymore imo, Hallstatt Celts, the people who spread the language, culture, and their genes from the core Alpine area, are Iberian-S. French-like, and are extremely similar to Italics, if not the exact same people(the original Italics, of course, not modern Italic speakers). This is why Celtic and Italic languages are so similar.
I never discounted that, it just seemed less logical at first glance.

I'm starting to get tired anyway of some of the arrogant people on Anthrogenica who insist that Celts and Celtic culture/language didn't spread from Hallstatt/La Tene. Fluffy immobilist stuff about it developing simultaeneously across NW Europe since the Early Bronze Age/Bell Beakers. Feel like I've heard it before.

[Gründig]

What’s imperialRoman?

[dududud]

My results with the Grace O'Malley model.

Distance: 2.8675% / 0.02867518 | ADC: 2x
57.8 FRA_IA
42.2 Italic

Target: ThomasL_scaled
Distance: 2.6174% / 0.02617391 | ADC: 1x
51.4 FRA_IA
42.8 Italic
5.8 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111

Target: ThomasL_scaled
Distance: 2.3736% / 0.02373630 | ADC: 0.5x
47.6 FRA_IA
42.2 Italic
5.6 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
4.6 Germanic

Target: ThomasL_scaled
Distance: 2.1379% / 0.02137929 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Italic
37.8 FRA_IA
13.2 Germanic
5.4 ImperialRoman
0.8 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111

Target: ThomasL_scaled
Distance: 2.0961% / 0.02096146
42.8 Italic
32.0 FRA_IA
16.6 Germanic
7.6 ImperialRoman
1.0 Mozabite


0.03844175 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.03957774 Italic:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_RMPR851
0.04679898 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany_DA111
0.05052980 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05104786 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05220631 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05244938 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.05620215 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.05995865 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06263354 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06287031 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.06325941 Italic:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_RMPR1016
0.06386563 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06432294 FRA_IA:PEY53
0.06557256 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07054441 Iberia_Central_BA
0.07091644 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07763966 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.07779921 England_Roman:6DT21
0.07865817 Britain_BA:Scotland_LBA
0.07983403 Germanic:vik_stg021
0.08071853 England_Roman:6DT3
0.08161502 FRA_IA:COL11
0.08559865 Britain_BA:England_MBA
0.08753747 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:SSG-A-4

[Aren]

David has decided to add these samples to his original spreadsheet. Though they still seem to be of the same low coverage.

A simple model for modern day Northern French


France_North_IA:FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2,0.12862,0. 149283,0.053174,0.031654,0.050163,0.014781,0.00164 5,-0.004615,0.01268,0.01057,-0.008444,0.009142,-0.018583,-0.007432,0.019137,-0.003315,-0.014081,0.014316,0.009176,0.002001,0.001622,-0.000866,0.002465,0.000964,0.000718
Rome_Imperial:Imperial_Roman_East_Med,0.106377125, 0.147674875,-0.017614625,-0.051397375,0.0081295417,-0.0182556667,-0.0013610417,-0.0047400833,0.0001449167,0.0203193333,0.002841875 ,0.002141875,-0.0054137083,-0.0023854583,-0.00744775,-0.0005302917,0.0039821667,0.00097125,0.00277575,-0.004596,-0.0031455833,0.002617375,-0.0008679167,-0.0008334167,0.000299375
Germanic_MA:HUN_MA_Szolad_Northern_Profile,0.13307 8,0.13108783 33,0.0624134167,0.0544255,0.0387505833,0.018569333 3,0.0040538333,0.00613425,0.0007328333,-0.0023539167,-0.0070231667,3.65E-03,-0.00894425,-0.00611275,0.0191929167,0.0049169167,-0.0060086667,-0.000454,0.003991,0.0051795,0.0078923333,0.0055952 5,0.000267,0.012351,-0.0002395

Target: French_Pas-de-Calais
Distance: 2.1082% / 0.02108225
52.8 Germanic_MA
32.8 France_North_IA
14.4 Rome_Imperial

Target: French_Nord
Distance: 1.3041% / 0.01304076
47.8 Germanic_MA
34.6 France_North_IA
17.6 Rome_Imperial

Target: French_Normandie
Distance: 1.1159% / 0.01115918
72.0 Germanic_MA
20.8 France_North_IA
7.2 Rome_Imperial

Significant Roman afterall.

[Pedro Ruben]

[QUOTE=Creoda;6698149]Courtesy of Davidski and Peterski who sent the files. Compare yourself to them, or with other components.


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FRA_BA:BIS385,0.122929,0.125926,0.068259,0.032623, 0.023081,0.021196,-0.003055,-0.002769,0.016566,0.006743,-0.000974,0.007793,-0.004311,-0.015964,0.021444,0.006762,-0.000391,-0.007855,-0.001257,0.014007,0.008984,0.006554,0.000123,-0.007591,-0.005628
FRA_BA:EUG11,0.130897,0.151314,0.065996,0.015827,0 .070167,-0.004183,-0.00705,0.010615,0.026997,0.038999,-0.009256,-0.000599,-0.023191,-0.013074,-0.001493,0.004375,0.011995,0.008995,0.003394,0.005 628,0.010856,-0.002597,-0.004314,-0.013014,0.018801
FRA_BA:NIED,0.130897,0.121864,0.049026,0.007429,0. 045239,0.013666,-0.002115,0.006692,0.030883,0.043919,-0.015589,0.010191,-0.02557,-0.03592,-0.000679,0.00769,0.008214,-0.005321,0.009302,0.013882,0.003993,0.01286,-0.002835,-0.01446,-0.003832
FRA_BA:OBE3626-1,0.134311,0.120848,0.06939,0.060078,0.031698,0.01 7012,0.00376,0.002538,0.00225,-0.004738,0.002598,0.012889,-0.007136,-0.023671,0.018594,0.015778,0.011083,-0.001394,-0.001257,0.01113,0.00836,0.007296,0.000863,0.00277 1,0.007185
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FRA_BA:PIR3116B,0.129758,0.133034,0.054305,0.03746 8,0.047086,0.01255,0.007285,-0.010846,0.004704,0.019864,-0.004222,0.014387,-0.029583,-0.022295,0.012351,0.022408,0.01004,-0.000127,-0.007165,0.017759,0.007362,0.006925,-0.018487,-0.011447,-0.00934
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FRA_BA:QUIN58,0.117238,0.144205,0.058454,0.01292,0 .062781,0.008088,0.013161,-0.006461,0.03027,0.03426,0.003248,0.005995,-0.005946,-0.016515,0.015879,0.001061,-0.003781,0.006714,0.00088,-0.009129,0.006114,0.004822,-0.005546,-0.020485,-0.015687
FRA_BA:QUIN234,0.132035,0.15436,0.045632,0.009367, 0.06155,0.002231,0.015276,0.016845,0.034565,0.0677 92,0.005846,-0.006145,-0.019921,0.002202,-0.0095,0.002519,0.00352,0.006588,-0.00264,-0.003001,0.017344,0.017188,-0.002958,-0.017713,0.008861
FRA_BA:RIX2,0.135449,0.140143,0.052043,0.02584,0.0 397,0.01004,-0.0094,0.004384,0.01943,0.025878,-0.001137,0.004646,-0.011447,-0.004404,0.009772,-0.016309,-0.013038,0.00266,0.008422,0.000375,0.014599,0.0018 55,-0.005546,-0.007591,0.003832
FRA_BA:RIX4,0.125205,0.141159,0.057322,0.02907,0.0 40623,0.01757,0.00376,0.008307,0.009204,0.018588,-0.004384,-0.000599,-0.011744,-0.020643,0.013165,0.006099,0.011343,0.012922,-0.006913,-0.000125,0.010856,0.002102,-0.006162,0.005904,-0.012933
FRA_BA:RIX15,0.129758,0.135065,0.048271,0.036822,0 .039392,0.022032,0.009165,0.004384,0.019225,0.0297 04,0.006008,0.012889,-0.014717,-0.010459,0.0076,0.011535,-0.007562,0,0.014455,0.010005,0.006988,-0.006677,-0.001725,-0.007471,0.001796
FRA_BBC:CBV95,0.137726,0.114755,0.047894,0.085918, 0.019388,0.037929,-0.000235,0.004846,-0.026384,-0.032074,0.01088,0.003297,-0.001933,-0.015827,0.03868,-0.001591,-0.007953,-0.000507,-0.003645,0.003377,0.001622,-0.007419,0.005793,0.009278,-0.005029
FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.0 38776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010 307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.0087 42
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636, 0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0 .047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0. 037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010 106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584, 0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015 126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548 ,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0 .040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0 .033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
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FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.0 45239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814, 0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.011 09,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005 405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.0 17291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.0 46778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0 .050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 4.6607% / 0.04660748
85.0 FRA_IA
15.0 FRA_BA

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 5.3805% / 0.05380461
69.4 FRA_IA
30.6 FRA_BA

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.7386% / 0.03738570
95.4 FRA_IA
4.6 FRA_BA