Origin from the Yamnaya culture (Proto-Indo-Europeans)

[I.vet]

Good evening everyone!
Is there a calculator that can determine the autosomal effect of the Yamnaya culture? This component is also called Western Steppe Herders (WSH).

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, but you will need Global 25 coordinates (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/04/business-almost-as-usual.html), which won't be available until July.

[Bosniensis]

Yamnaya = Sintashta, Maykor, Sredni Stog, Massagetae area

[Leto]

If you are a typical ethnic Russian/East Slav (mind sharing your Gedmatch results?), then your estimated Yamnaya percentage should be similar to that of other unmixed Russians. I mean you can check the references from Global25 even if you don't have your own coordinates.
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

[Zoro]

Good evening everyone!
Is there a calculator that can determine the autosomal effect of the Yamnaya culture? This component is also called Western Steppe Herders (WSH).

The only reliable tools for this are formal statistic tools that are part of the Harvard University ADMIXTOOLS package such as qpWave, qpAdm, dstats. This is what the pros (scientists) use in their papers to model and analyze. Don't get fooled by G25. It's just based on PCA coordinates and ran by an amateur who goes by nickname Davidski

[Rgvgjhvv]

The only reliable tools for this are formal statistic tools that are part of the Harvard University ADMIXTOOLS package such as qpWave, qpAdm, dstats. This is what the pros (scientists) use in their papers to model and analyze.

Is that publicly available?

[Zoro]

Is that publicly available?

Yes they are that's how all the scientists are able to use them. They use them alot also at EurasianDNA.com. So yes they are publicly available from Reichlab website but the people here don't have the bionformatics knowledge to be able to run them

[vbnetkhio]

Yes they are that's how all the scientists are able to use them. They use them alot also at EurasianDNA.com. So yes they are publicly available from Reichlab website but the people here don't have the bionformatics knowledge to be able to run them

some do.

and admixture is also used by scientists.

[FinalFlash]

Yes they are that's how all the scientists are able to use them. They use them alot also at EurasianDNA.com. So yes they are publicly available from Reichlab website but the people here don't have the bionformatics knowledge to be able to run them

Can you show us how that tool is used?

[Zoro]

some do.

and admixture is also used by scientists.

Who does ??

Admixture is used superficially but most of the serious analysis is done with dstats f3s qpAdm qpWave etc

[Leto]

The only reliable tools for this are formal statistic tools that are part of the Harvard University ADMIXTOOLS package such as qpWave, qpAdm, dstats. This is what the pros (scientists) use in their papers to model and analyze. Don't get fooled by G25. It's just based on PCA coordinates and ran by an amateur who goes by nickname Davidski
Are you not tired of crusading against Gedmatch, G25 and Davidski? You post the same crap in almost every thread about admixture calculators. Please stop.

[Zoro]

Can you show us how that tool is used?

I have been trying to learn too. First, you have to have Linux operating system installed. Next learn about how to install open source softwares in Linux and Linux commands. Then you can read the instructions in readme file in ADMIXTOOLS on Reichlab website. If there are bugs in installation try to google how to fix those bugs.

[vbnetkhio]

Who does ??

Admixture is used superficially but most of the serious analysis is done with dstats f3s qpAdm qpWave etc

i could do it.

there is usually an admixture barplot in every study, but the serious analysis is done with those other tools, i guess you are right.

[Zoro]

Are you not tired of crusading against Gedmatch, G25 and Davidski? You post the same crap in almost every thread about admixture calculators. Please stop.


It's really comical how you want to hide the truth from everyone. You realize that all the smarter user have to do is read a couple of scientific papers and figure out for themselves that indeed the scientists use ADMIXTOOLS (qpAdm, dstats, f3s, etc) for their heavy duty analysis and not G25 PCA coordinate tools made by an amateur like Davidski.

I realize the truth hurts but unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it. Suck it up.

[FinalFlash]

I have been trying to learn too. First, you have to have Linux operating system installed. Next learn about how to install open source softwares in Linux and Linux commands. Then you can read the instructions in readme file in ADMIXTOOLS on Reichlab website. If there are bugs in installation try to google how to fix those bugs.

How do results differ for Kurds on Gedmatch or Vahaduo when compared to the tool you use?

[Zoro]

How do results differ for Kurds on Gedmatch or Vahaduo when compared to the tool you use?


It really depends what we are talking about. Do you mean what Kurds relatedness is to other populations or what their admixture percentages are. For admixture percentages it will depend on what source populations we use.

[FinalFlash]

It really depends what we are talking about. Do you mean what Kurds relatedness is to other populations or what their admixture percentages are. For admixture percentages it will depend on what source populations we use.

Can you run some Kurd admixture percentages and oracles for Kurds for us using that tool? I'm really curious to see this.

[I.vet]

Recently I came up with an idea how to roughly calculate the percentage of impurity from Yamnaya culture.
According to the study, the WSH (Yamnaya) carried an admixture of 50% ANE and 50% Middle Eastern genes (CHG).
In this case, at least for Europeans, it is enough, conventionally, to double the value of ANE twice.

[Pater Patota]

Recently I came up with an idea how to roughly calculate the percentage of impurity from Yamnaya culture.
According to the study, the WSH (Yamnaya) carried an admixture of 50% ANE and 50% Middle Eastern genes (CHG).
In this case, at least for Europeans, it is enough, conventionally, to double the value of ANE twice.

Are you sure CHG represents Middle Easterners?

[I.vet]

Are you sure CHG represents Middle Easterners?

As far as I know, they resembles early European and Anatolian farmers. And it seems that the CHG carried the lines of the J

[TheOldNorth]

on the K13 ancient europe calculator most ANE and WHG is from them, as it counts EHG as WHG and their is very little (5-15%) WHG in modern europeans.

[qylymla]

What language was spoken in Central Asia before the Proto-Indo-Iranian invasion of Yamnaya?