Are Amerindians genetically more divergent from Mongoloids than South-Central Asians are to Euros?

[Maguzanci]

By South-Central Asians, I am referring to pred West Eurasian groups like Baloch/Brahui, Pashtun, Tajik, Kalash, Burusho, Pamiri, etc. or ancient ones like Iran Neo or TJK_Sarazm.

Are they genetically closer to Euros than Amerindians are to Mongoloids (I consider Amerindians a special separate branch of East Eurasians)

[Synapsid]

By South-Central Asians, I am referring to pred West Eurasian groups like Baloch/Brahui, Pashtun, Tajik, Kalash, Burusho, Pamiri, etc. or ancient ones like Iran Neo or TJK_Sarazm.

Are they genetically closer to Euros than Amerindians are to Mongoloids (I consider Amerindians a special separate branch of East Eurasians)

Interesting question. It dependants which European population for SC Asians, and Which Amerindians populations for 'Mongoloid'.

[Maguzanci]

Interesting question. It dependants which European population for SC Asians, and Which Amerindians populations for 'Mongoloid'.

Well what about South Euros/Balkans and SC Asians vs Amerindians for Mong?

[Trouble]

Yes

[Thambi]

Well what about South Euros/Balkans and SC Asians vs Amerindians for Mong?

Yeah SC asians are closer to balkans than Amerindians are to northern mongoloid groups

Distance to: Balochi
0.20880136 Albanian
0.21103187 Romanian
0.21555699 Serbian
0.22399185 Hungarian

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.38605229 Oroqen
0.39438510 Mongola
0.39731415 Yakut
0.41850530 Korean

Distance to: Pima
0.49883101 Mongola
0.49923755 Oroqen
0.50392897 Yakut
0.51762967 Korean

[Maguzanci]

Yeah SC asians are closer to balkans than Amerindians are to northern mongoloid groups

Distance to: Balochi
0.20880136 Albanian
0.21103187 Romanian
0.21555699 Serbian
0.22399185 Hungarian

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.38605229 Oroqen
0.39438510 Mongola
0.39731415 Yakut
0.41850530 Korean

Distance to: Pima
0.49883101 Mongola
0.49923755 Oroqen
0.50392897 Yakut
0.51762967 Korean

How about pred Caucasoid NW South Asians like Jatt, Khartoum, Ror to SC Asian vs Amerindians to Northern Mongs? Which one is closer?

Also can you compare between North Euros like Finns, Swedes to SC Asians vs between Amerindians and Polynesians and SE Asians? which one are closer in that case? Or SC Asians and East Euros vs Amerindians and predominantly Mongoloid Central Asians like Altaians, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Hazara ? Since Amerindians also contain significant ancient West Eurasian ancestry from MA1 and Gravetto Danubians.

[Thambi]

How about pred Caucasoid NW South Asians like Jatt, Khartoum, Ror to SC Asian vs Amerindians to Northern Mongs? Which one is closer?

Also can you compare between North Euros like Finns, Swedes to SC Asians vs between Amerindians and Polynesians and SE Asians? which one are closer in that case? Or SC Asians and East Euros vs Amerindians and predominantly Mongoloid Central Asians like Altaians, Kyrgyz, Kazakh, Hazara ? Since Amerindians also contain significant ancient West Eurasian ancestry from MA1 and Gravetto Danubians.

Honestly even us south indian mid castes are slightly closer to northern/northwest euros than northern amerindians are to northern mongoloids. let alone the distance between sc asians and jatts or them with euros.

Distance to: Balochi
0.23373077 Irish
0.23546362 English
0.23837552 Icelandic
0.24013450 Swedish

Distance to: Tajik
0.18646476 Irish
0.18830834 English
0.18917027 Swedish
0.19029182 Icelandic

Distance to: Punjabi_Jatt
0.24372025 Irish
0.24607070 Icelandic
0.24626966 English
0.24669078 Swedish

Distance to: Velamas
0.35852129 Irish
0.36009668 English
0.36026869 Icelandic
0.36033075 Swedish

Amerindians are farther from SE asians and polynesians than they are from northern mongol groups.

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.44353105 Maori
0.44596914 Kinh_Vietnam
0.44644458 Cambodian
0.44880011 Malay

here are the top 100 pops for northern amerindians. at the top its the amerindian populations from north/south and then they head towards eskimos, far eastern siberia of russia. the distance is about 20 between eastern siberia and northern amerindians. the distance from tajiks and euros (all) is no more than 18, including the eastern and northern euros.

the distance to altains, kazakhs, uyghurs etc is around 35. thats roughly my distance to northwest euros for example.

top 100 for amerindians

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.03109304 Chipewyan
0.12274378 Mixtec
0.12324496 Zapotec
0.12397939 Huichol
0.12410559 Nahua
0.12464783 Pima
0.13276985 Mayan
0.13555361 Mixe
0.13678590 Bolivian_Pando
0.13921445 Bolivian_Cochabamba
0.14085235 Quechua
0.14904030 Cachi
0.15801326 Bolivian_LaPaz
0.15861838 Colla
0.16691525 Cree
0.16871548 Aymara
0.17447338 Eskimo_Naukan
0.17541227 Yukpa
0.17763505 Piapoco
0.18147351 Eskimo
0.18198527 Wichi
0.19924750 Eskimo_Sireniki
0.19960026 Eskimo_Chaplin
0.20252639 Karitiana
0.20531666 Greenlander_East
0.21223168 Surui
0.24545292 Chukchi
0.25842603 Greenlander_West
0.28976840 Itelmen
0.29727437 Koryak
0.30582774 Tlingit
0.34383090 Shor_Mountain
0.34406791 Shor_Khakassia
0.34418357 Khakass
0.34734587 Khakass_Kachins
0.34797336 Shor
0.34977508 Mogush
0.35071535 Altaian
0.35235961 Yukagir_Tundra
0.35275269 Tubalar
0.35477928 Tuvinian
0.35806900 Kazakh_China
0.35863274 Kirghiz
0.35915365 Kalmyk
0.35916208 Selkup
0.36063393 Mongolian
0.36101816 Todzin
0.36111780 Kirghiz_China
0.36171268 Buryat
0.36374732 Khamnegan
0.36400253 Nenets
0.36742793 Kazakh
0.36774041 Nivkh
0.37313285 Khanty
0.37345672 Ulchi
0.37449535 Ket
0.37857653 Negidal
0.37892295 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.37946184 Dolgan
0.38068147 Karakalpak
0.38084723 Mansi
0.38494459 Dongxiang
0.38556145 Nanai
0.38605229 Oroqen
0.38640944 Tatar_Siberian
0.38656894 Hezhen
0.38702367 Salar
0.38812584 Daur
0.39010978 Magar
0.39144992 Tamang
0.39195765 Tibetan_Gangcha
0.39299678 Hazara
0.39310516 Kusunda
0.39355874 Uygur
0.39363082 Nogai
0.39426854 Dungan
0.39438510 Mongola
0.39482717 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.39488751 Yukagir_Forest
0.39639791 Tu
0.39651034 Bonan
0.39700268 Tibetan_Shannan
0.39726321 Tibetan_Xunhua
0.39731415 Yakut
0.39733988 Gurung
0.39745143 Xibo
0.39756309 Tibetan_Shigatse
0.39883774 Tharu
0.39943426 Tibetan_Gannan
0.40005139 Evenk
0.40030078 Brahmin_Manipuri
0.40071127 Newar
0.40142880 Even
0.40165417 Tibetan_Lhasa
0.40195670 Sherpa
0.40245110 Jamatia
0.40285700 Tibetan_Nagqu
0.40289817 Tripuri
0.40376165 Sakha
0.40387116 Yugur

[Maguzanci]

Thanks dude. Appreciate it. I can’t do the distance thing on nmonte because I am did not pay send my results or donate methinks

How about Veddoid Indians like Paniya or Austroasiatics or low caste like Hakkipikki, Piramalai or Andamanese to Euros? Would Amerindians still be farther from Mongoloids than them?

Can you also compare between Horn Africans like Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudanese and Europeans vs Amerindians and Mongoloid groups? I want to see would Horners be closer to Euros than even Native Americans are to Asiatics?

[Maguzanci]

Honestly even us south indian mid castes are slightly closer to northern/northwest euros than northern amerindians are to northern mongoloids. let alone the distance between sc asians and jatts or them with euros.

Distance to: Balochi
0.23373077 Irish
0.23546362 English
0.23837552 Icelandic
0.24013450 Swedish

Distance to: Tajik
0.18646476 Irish
0.18830834 English
0.18917027 Swedish
0.19029182 Icelandic

Distance to: Punjabi_Jatt
0.24372025 Irish
0.24607070 Icelandic
0.24626966 English
0.24669078 Swedish

Distance to: Velamas
0.35852129 Irish
0.36009668 English
0.36026869 Icelandic
0.36033075 Swedish

Amerindians are farther from SE asians and polynesians than they are from northern mongol groups.

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.44353105 Maori
0.44596914 Kinh_Vietnam
0.44644458 Cambodian
0.44880011 Malay

here are the top 100 pops for northern amerindians. at the top its the amerindian populations from north/south and then they head towards eskimos, far eastern siberia of russia. the distance is about 20 between eastern siberia and northern amerindians. the distance from tajiks and euros (all) is no more than 18, including the eastern and northern euros.

the distance to altains, kazakhs, uyghurs etc is around 35. thats roughly my distance to northwest euros for example.

top 100 for amerindians

Distance to: Amerindian_North
0.03109304 Chipewyan
0.12274378 Mixtec
0.12324496 Zapotec
0.12397939 Huichol
0.12410559 Nahua
0.12464783 Pima
0.13276985 Mayan
0.13555361 Mixe
0.13678590 Bolivian_Pando
0.13921445 Bolivian_Cochabamba
0.14085235 Quechua
0.14904030 Cachi
0.15801326 Bolivian_LaPaz
0.15861838 Colla
0.16691525 Cree
0.16871548 Aymara
0.17447338 Eskimo_Naukan
0.17541227 Yukpa
0.17763505 Piapoco
0.18147351 Eskimo
0.18198527 Wichi
0.19924750 Eskimo_Sireniki
0.19960026 Eskimo_Chaplin
0.20252639 Karitiana
0.20531666 Greenlander_East
0.21223168 Surui
0.24545292 Chukchi
0.25842603 Greenlander_West
0.28976840 Itelmen
0.29727437 Koryak
0.30582774 Tlingit
0.34383090 Shor_Mountain
0.34406791 Shor_Khakassia
0.34418357 Khakass
0.34734587 Khakass_Kachins
0.34797336 Shor
0.34977508 Mogush
0.35071535 Altaian
0.35235961 Yukagir_Tundra
0.35275269 Tubalar
0.35477928 Tuvinian
0.35806900 Kazakh_China
0.35863274 Kirghiz
0.35915365 Kalmyk
0.35916208 Selkup
0.36063393 Mongolian
0.36101816 Todzin
0.36111780 Kirghiz_China
0.36171268 Buryat
0.36374732 Khamnegan
0.36400253 Nenets
0.36742793 Kazakh
0.36774041 Nivkh
0.37313285 Khanty
0.37345672 Ulchi
0.37449535 Ket
0.37857653 Negidal
0.37892295 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.37946184 Dolgan
0.38068147 Karakalpak
0.38084723 Mansi
0.38494459 Dongxiang
0.38556145 Nanai
0.38605229 Oroqen
0.38640944 Tatar_Siberian
0.38656894 Hezhen
0.38702367 Salar
0.38812584 Daur
0.39010978 Magar
0.39144992 Tamang
0.39195765 Tibetan_Gangcha
0.39299678 Hazara
0.39310516 Kusunda
0.39355874 Uygur
0.39363082 Nogai
0.39426854 Dungan
0.39438510 Mongola
0.39482717 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.39488751 Yukagir_Forest
0.39639791 Tu
0.39651034 Bonan
0.39700268 Tibetan_Shannan
0.39726321 Tibetan_Xunhua
0.39731415 Yakut
0.39733988 Gurung
0.39745143 Xibo
0.39756309 Tibetan_Shigatse
0.39883774 Tharu
0.39943426 Tibetan_Gannan
0.40005139 Evenk
0.40030078 Brahmin_Manipuri
0.40071127 Newar
0.40142880 Even
0.40165417 Tibetan_Lhasa
0.40195670 Sherpa
0.40245110 Jamatia
0.40285700 Tibetan_Nagqu
0.40289817 Tripuri
0.40376165 Sakha
0.40387116 Yugur

Thanks dude. Appreciate it. I can’t do the distance thing on nmonte because I am did not pay send my results or donate methinks

How about Veddoid Indians like Paniya or Austroasiatics or low caste like Hakkipikki, Piramalai or Andamanese to Euros? Would Amerindians still be farther from Mongoloids than them?

Can you also compare between Horn Africans like Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudanese and Europeans vs Amerindians and Mongoloid groups? I want to see would Horners be closer to Euros than even Native Americans are to Asiatics?

[Thambi]

Somalis, south indian tribals and onge are farther. piramalais are pretty much midcastes. they're tamil rather than telugu like velamas so yeah they're closer. but the other groups are farther.

and you could do this nmonte stuff yourself actually haha. dont need to pay unless you want your own results.
here's the calc.
https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

and here's the spreadsheet
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr-UOve0KUKo_Qbgeo27m-CQncZWb8y/view

all you need to do is plug the reference populations into source and the test populations into target. then you could find the distance for each under 'distance' and mixtures under single.

Distance to: Somali
0.46165051 Bulgarian
0.48455819 Irish

Distance to: Onge
0.45254628 Bulgarian
0.46583704 Irish

Distance to: Paniya
0.43224887 Bulgarian
0.44657426 Irish

Distance to: Piramalai
0.35998697 Bulgarian
0.37686248 Irish