Are there any Baltic German Gedmatch results?

[we92]

Are there any Baltic German Gedmatch and Oracle results?

[we92]

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[Not a Cop]

Are there any Baltic German Gedmatch and Oracle results?

My grandfather is half Baltic German, i can post his results if you're interested.

[Jana]

My grandfather is half Baltic German, i can post his results if you're interested.

His Baltic German side was very unmixed/west Germanic, iirc.

[Not a Cop]

His Baltic German side was very unmixed/west Germanic, iirc.

Yes, but rather north Germanic i'd say, west Germanic for me is more like Rhine area. He gets 1/2 North German/North Dutch/Danish most of the time.

[we92]

My grandfather is half Baltic German, i can post his results if you're interested.

If you can send, I would be really thankful.

[Not a Cop]

If you can send, I would be really thankful.

1/2 Baltic German, 1/4 Russian from Pskov area, 1/4 Polish from central southern Belarus.

K13

1 North_Atlantic 38.2
2 Baltic 36.76
3 West_Med 9.55
4 West_Asian 8.01
5 East_Med 3.52
6 South_Asian 2.04
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Red_Sea 0.14

1 East_German 6.93
2 North_Swedish 7.95
3 South_Polish 8.66
4 Austrian 8.92
5 Hungarian 9.43
6 Southwest_Finnish 9.46
7 Polish 10.67
8 Swedish 10.84
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.98
10 Ukrainian 11.45

1 54% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46% Irish @ 1.4
2 55.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44.6% West_Scottish @ 1.4
3 51.2% Danish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.54
4 52.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.1% Orcadian @ 1.68
5 50.3% North_Dutch + 49.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.74
6 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.82
7 54.1% Southwest_Russian + 45.9% Irish @ 1.87
8 51.5% Norwegian + 48.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.94
9 54.6% North_German + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.03
10 55.8% North_German + 44.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.08

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670578


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670578


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 Danish + Irish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.454522
2 Irish + North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.529150
3 North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.542237
4 Irish + Norwegian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.583103
5 Danish + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.613065
6 Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.651515
7 Danish + Danish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.670578
8 Irish + North_German + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.677467
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.684601
10 Norwegian + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.691203


K15

1 North_Sea 28.9
2 Baltic 21.26
3 Atlantic 20.96
4 Eastern_Euro 14.05
5 West_Asian 6.29
6 West_Med 5.78
7 South_Asian 1.84
8 Amerindian 0.33
9 East_Med 0.31
10 Siberian 0.27


1 East_German 6.1
2 Southwest_Finnish 7.19
3 Hungarian 8.68
4 Finnish 9.32
5 South_Polish 9.7
6 North_Swedish 9.75
7 Austrian 10.24
8 North_German 10.42
9 Polish 10.63
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.73


1 53.5% North_Dutch + 46.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.72
2 53.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.8% Orcadian @ 2.79
3 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% Orcadian @ 2.87
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% North_Dutch @ 2.91
5 53.4% North_Dutch + 46.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.1
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Danish @ 3.13
7 51.5% North_German + 48.5% Ukrainian @ 3.16
8 52% South_Polish + 48% North_German @ 3.21
9 53.5% Southwest_Russian + 46.5% Orcadian @ 3.22
10 51.2% North_Dutch + 48.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.22

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.324279


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.078597


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Irish + South_Polish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.050693
2 Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.051740
3 North_German + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Norwegian @ 3.074883
4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.078597
5 Orcadian + Russian_Smolensk + Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.094927
6 Orcadian + South_Polish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.095648
7 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.103843
8 North_German + South_Polish + South_Polish + Swedish @ 3.108206
9 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.110480
10 North_German + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.118543

[Peterski]

^^^
He has no any matches that are 100% Baltic German?

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As a sidenote (because it is not about Baltic Germans - unless you count East Prussian Germans as a sub-group of Baltic Germans?):

East Prussian Germans range from this:

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32
2 Atlantic 27.78
3 Baltic 18.86
4 Eastern_Euro 14.34
5 West_Med 4.85
6 Red_Sea 1.64
7 Oceanian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 8.07
2 Southwest_Finnish 8.14
3 North_Swedish 8.25
4 Danish 8.97
5 Swedish 9.14
6 North_Dutch 9.54
7 Norwegian 9.83
8 East_German 9.99
9 Irish 10.41
10 West_Scottish 10.74
11 Southeast_English 11.27
12 West_Norwegian 11.82
13 South_Dutch 12.03
14 Finnish 12.13
15 Southwest_English 12.14
16 Orcadian 13.07
17 Austrian 13.76
18 West_German 13.84
19 Hungarian 14.44
20 Polish 15.31

... to this:

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.69
2 North_Sea 24.68
3 Atlantic 23.99
4 Eastern_Euro 18.36
5 West_Med 4.13
6 East_Med 2.59
7 South_Asian 0.9
8 West_Asian 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 6.72
2 Southwest_Finnish 7.38
3 South_Polish 8.08
4 Estonian 9.36
5 Russian_Smolensk 9.61
6 Finnish 9.71
7 Ukrainian 9.96
8 Belorussian 10.09
9 East_German 10.32
10 Estonian_Polish 10.39
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.58
12 Austrian 10.94
13 Southwest_Russian 11.34
14 Hungarian 11.5
15 Croatian 11.71
16 East_Finnish 12.03
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.08
18 La_Brana-1 12.98
19 Lithuanian 13.47
20 North_Swedish 13.73

^^^
And this is ethnic German from East Prussia, not Masurian.

Mlukas has some kit from Labiau that is even more eastern.

[Peterski]

^^^ Mixed Modes in Eurogenes K15 for those two:

Western-shifted East Prussian German:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% West_Scottish + 31.8% Lithuanian @ 3.52
(...)

Eastern-shifted East Prussian German:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Belorussian + 33.3% West_Scottish @ 3.04
(...)

I think these two represent the range quite well, but as I said, there is some sample from Kreis Labiau that is even more eastern.

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Kreis Labiau (now Polessk, Kaliningrad Oblast) German Mixed Mode in Dodecad V3:

(note that Dodecad V3 Oracle is making everyone look more western than they are or at least more western than Eurogenes K15)

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.2% Lithuanians (Behar) + 47.8% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.1
2 58.7% Belorussian (Behar) + 41.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.17
3 52.1% Lithuanians (Behar) + 47.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.2
4 50.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 49.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.25
5 50.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.32
6 71.5% Polish (Dodecad) + 28.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.5
7 54.8% German (Dodecad) + 45.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.51
8 51.4% Lithuanians (Behar) + 48.6% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.51
9 73.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 26.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.52
10 51.7% Lithuanians (Behar) + 48.3% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.57
11 50.8% CEU (HapMap) + 49.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.64
12 55.9% Belorussian (Behar) + 44.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
13 57.3% German (Dodecad) + 42.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.65
14 51.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 48.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.73
15 57.8% Lithuanians (Behar) + 42.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.75
16 62.7% Belorussian (Behar) + 37.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.78
17 51.5% Lithuanians (Behar) + 48.5% N._European (Xing) @ 2.84
18 59% Lithuanians (Behar) + 41% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 3.03
19 51.1% N._European (Xing) + 48.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.1
20 55.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 44.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.13

[Peterski]

Actually this one also claims to be East Prussian but I'm not sure if fully from there:
[if he is really fully East Prussian, it would be the most western-shifted one I have]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.44
2 Atlantic 23.81
3 Baltic 19.99
4 Eastern_Euro 9.91
5 West_Med 6.18
6 East_Med 3.38
7 West_Asian 3.04
8 Red_Sea 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Northeast_African 0.12
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 6.95
2 Swedish 7.55
3 East_German 7.57
4 North_Swedish 8.48
5 North_Dutch 8.74
6 Danish 9.01
7 Norwegian 9.07
8 Southwest_Finnish 9.46
9 West_German 10.34
10 South_Dutch 10.41
11 Irish 10.62
12 Hungarian 10.66
13 Southeast_English 10.98
14 West_Norwegian 11.21
15 West_Scottish 11.24
16 Southwest_English 11.47
17 Austrian 11.69
18 Finnish 12.31
19 Orcadian 12.93
20 South_Polish 14.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% North_Dutch + 27.5% Lithuanian @ 3.1
2 70% North_Dutch + 30% Belorussian @ 3.39
3 64.7% North_Dutch + 35.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.44
4 63.5% North_Dutch + 36.5% South_Polish @ 3.46
(...)

^^^
And perhaps the kit from Labiau would be the opposite of this one (maybe around 3/4 East Euro + 1/4 West Euro?).

So that's the whole range of East Prussian Germans. Of course, ethnic Germans were never the only group there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia#Historical_ethnic_and_religious_struc ture

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Website with a map showing history of German colonization in East Prussia (which area was settled in which years):

http://maeckelburg.de/feedback.htm

[Not a Cop]

^^^
He has no any matches that are 100% Baltic German?

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I have never really looked into matches searching for Baltic Germans, if you would like to do it i can PM the kit number.

[Peterski]

This is East Prussian German most likely (despite this "Estonia" I doubt it is Baltic German but I will ask):

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.08
2 North_Sea 26.83
3 Eastern_Euro 18.27
4 Atlantic 17.98
5 West_Asian 3.33
6 West_Med 2.43
7 East_Med 1.92
8 South_Asian 1.35
9 Oceanian 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Estonian 5.44
2 Polish 5.64
3 South_Polish 6.2
4 Ukrainian 7.16
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.52
6 Finnish 8.11
7 Belorussian 8.31
8 Russian_Smolensk 8.45
9 Southwest_Finnish 8.46
10 Southwest_Russian 8.88
11 Estonian_Polish 9.24
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.49
13 Lithuanian 10.62
14 East_Finnish 10.7
15 Hungarian 11.54
16 Croatian 12.07
17 East_German 12.12
18 Kargopol_Russian 12.18
19 La_Brana-1 13.01
20 Austrian 13.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Belorussian + 32.5% Swedish @ 2.47
2 57.1% Lithuanian + 42.9% North_Swedish @ 2.58
3 63.9% Lithuanian + 36.1% Norwegian @ 2.61
4 61.5% Lithuanian + 38.5% Swedish @ 2.61
5 72.4% Belorussian + 27.6% West_Norwegian @ 2.75
6 63.5% Belorussian + 36.5% North_Swedish @ 2.77
7 66.7% Lithuanian + 33.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.77
8 65.2% Lithuanian + 34.8% Danish @ 2.78
9 70% Belorussian + 30% Norwegian @ 2.85
10 65.7% Lithuanian + 34.3% North_Dutch @ 2.96
(...)

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Another East Prussian (probably - there is no GEDCOM, but has matches with confirmed East Prussians):

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.84
2 Baltic 22.28
3 Atlantic 19
4 Eastern_Euro 11.55
5 West_Med 7.68
6 East_Med 5.38
7 West_Asian 3.17
8 Siberian 0.88
9 Sub-Saharan 0.71
10 Amerindian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 6.02
2 East_German 6.4
3 Southwest_Finnish 9.03
4 Austrian 9.47
5 South_Polish 9.85
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.96
7 Finnish 10.38
8 Croatian 10.4
9 Ukrainian 10.47
10 North_Swedish 11.11
11 Polish 11.34
12 North_German 11.88
13 Swedish 11.98
14 Moldavian 12.13
15 West_German 12.54
16 Estonian 13.21
17 South_Dutch 13.23
18 Norwegian 13.48
19 Serbian 13.75
20 North_Dutch 14.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% West_German + 40.8% Lithuanian @ 2.78
2 55.4% West_German + 44.6% Belorussian @ 3.69
3 59.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.5% North_Dutch @ 3.77
4 71% Hungarian + 29% Swedish @ 3.83
5 54% Croatian + 46% Swedish @ 3.86
6 62.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.3% Southeast_English @ 3.92
7 63% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37% Irish @ 3.98
8 65.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 34.1% Orcadian @ 3.99
9 51.4% West_German + 48.6% Estonian @ 4.03
(...)

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Another East Prussian (probably - there is no GEDCOM, but has matches with confirmed East Prussians):

K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.67
2 Baltic 33.79
3 West_Med 12.09
4 West_Asian 10.06
5 East_Med 4.93
6 South_Asian 1.65
7 Oceanian 1.55
8 Siberian 1.12
9 Northeast_African 0.05
10 Amerindian 0.05
11 Red_Sea 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.56
2 Hungarian 6.3
3 Austrian 6.55
4 Croatian 8.66
5 South_Polish 8.94
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.13
7 Moldavian 10.6
8 Ukrainian 11.28
9 Polish 12.09
10 North_Swedish 12.18
11 North_German 12.8
12 Serbian 13.44
13 West_German 13.48
14 Southwest_Finnish 13.59
15 Swedish 13.66
16 South_Dutch 14.57
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.92
18 Southwest_Russian 14.99
19 Russian_Smolensk 15.14
20 Danish 15.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Moldavian + 43.2% Swedish @ 3.26
2 52.7% West_German + 47.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.4
3 50.6% South_Dutch + 49.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.58
(...)

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Yet another one, K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.68
2 Atlantic 21.43
3 Baltic 17.34
4 Eastern_Euro 14.54
5 West_Med 7.58
6 West_Asian 6.61
7 Oceanian 1.03
8 South_Asian 0.71
9 East_Med 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.42
2 North_Swedish 8.14
3 North_German 8.18
4 Southwest_Finnish 8.49
5 Swedish 9.25
6 Hungarian 9.68
7 Norwegian 9.97
8 Danish 10.24
9 North_Dutch 10.41
10 South_Dutch 10.6
11 West_German 10.81
12 Austrian 10.88
13 Finnish 11
14 Southwest_English 12.35
15 Southeast_English 12.38
16 West_Norwegian 12.44
17 Irish 12.5
18 South_Polish 12.78
19 West_Scottish 12.84
20 Croatian 13.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.5% Orcadian + 43.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.15
2 52.4% South_Polish + 47.6% Orcadian @ 3.29
3 50.4% Ukrainian + 49.6% Orcadian @ 3.3
4 63.8% East_German + 36.2% North_Swedish @ 3.42
(...)

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Yet another one (this would be the most eastern-shifted one thus far):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.3
2 Atlantic 20.85
3 North_Sea 20.78
4 Eastern_Euro 20.38
5 West_Asian 2.1
6 West_Med 1.28
7 South_Asian 0.67
8 Amerindian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belorussian 4.24
2 Estonian_Polish 5.27
3 Lithuanian 5.38
4 Russian_Smolensk 5.91
5 Polish 6.63
6 Estonian 7.22
7 Southwest_Russian 7.34
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.18
9 South_Polish 9.05
10 Ukrainian 10.36
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.99
12 Kargopol_Russian 12.12
13 Finnish 14.1
14 East_Finnish 14.26
15 Southwest_Finnish 14.31
16 Erzya 14.43
17 La_Brana-1 15.04
18 Croatian 15.05
19 Hungarian 17.23
20 Austrian 17.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% Lithuanian + 12.8% Irish @ 3.58
2 87.5% Lithuanian + 12.5% West_Scottish @ 3.61
3 85.6% Lithuanian + 14.4% North_German @ 3.68
4 87.8% Lithuanian + 12.2% Southeast_English @ 3.74
5 86.9% Lithuanian + 13.1% Danish @ 3.76
(...)

[Beo242]

Mine results on G25
I have a lot of matches from baltic germans and also G25118618
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