Search Piedmontese gedmatch kit

[dududud]

I'm looking for a Piedmontese gedmatch kit to get an idea!

I am looking for some, because i want to know how Jean-Paul Belmondo, who is 25% Piedmontese, 25% Sicilian and 50% French, would be modeled, to know if his Piedmontese intake would readjust (into a north shifted) his Sicilian intake.

[Leto]

I'd like to see them too. It's a shame they are so underrepresented despite the region being quite large and economically important.

[dududud]

I'd like to see them too. It's a shame they are so underrepresented despite the region being quite large and economically important.

True. I haven't found any that are totally Piedmontese. I would like to know if they are SouthEastern French shifted.

[Vid Flumina]

I'm not interested in Gedmatch anymore but I created a K15 average for Cuneo (n=6), seem overall very similar to Aostans:

Italian_Cuneo,24.17,24.00,8.28,3.53,19.88,5.33,12. 00,1.71,0.51,0.03,0,0.30,0.16,0.07,0.04

Other areas of Piedmont, especially Alessandria should be closer to Lombardy or Liguria; so it really depends where in Piedmont Jean's family is from.

You can also check this blog post with average for the whole region:

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/smanettando-con-eurogenes-k13/

[dududud]

I'm not interested in Gedmatch anymore but I created a K15 average for Cuneo (n=6), seem overall very similar to Aostans:

Italian_Cuneo,24.17,24.00,8.28,3.53,19.88,5.33,12. 00,1.71,0.51,0.03,0,0.30,0.16,0.07,0.04

Other areas of Piedmont, especially Alessandria should be closer to Lombardy or Liguria; so it really depends where in Piedmont Jean's family is from.

You can also check this blog post with average for the whole region:

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/smanettando-con-eurogenes-k13/

You are fully piemontese, right? Send me your K13 et 15 results.

[Leto]

Nice stuff, actually. That guy is serious so Lukasz can add these averages to Vahaduo
https://ilsizzi.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/medie-k13.png

[Vid Flumina]

You are fully piemontese, right? Send me your K13 et 15 results.

I'm half NE Italian.

I'll send you few kits still up that I used for that Cuneo average - hang on

[dududud]

Nice stuff, actually. That guy is serious so Lukasz can add these averages to Vahaduo
https://ilsizzi.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/medie-k13.png

This is the K13 average?

Already, the Sardinians do not have 22 est-med on average, it is quite heterogeneous at this level, like the North Italians: between 15 and 25%, like the North Italians (no difference at this level). In general, the Sardinians from the center and the north have a low rate of red sea (very isolated in the central area), some Sardinians from the south too (it depends on the village too). It's the same for northern Italians.

I think I got my answer: it all depends on the village in Piedmont, some clusters differently depending on where the person comes from. Not very homogeneous, sadly.

[Samnium]

I'm looking for a Piedmontese gedmatch kit to get an idea!

I am looking for some, because i want to know how Jean-Paul Belmondo, who is 25% Piedmontese, 25% Sicilian and 50% French, would be modeled, to know if his Piedmontese intake would readjust (into a north shifted) his Sicilian intake.

I would make an "estimation", Piedmontese + Sicilian = Central Italian (more or less), Central Italian + French, Northern Italian/Iberian range, IMO.

I've found from where his piedmontese ancestor is : Borgo San Dalmazzo (Southern Piedmonte, near Alps), his sicilian ancestry is from Cefalu, Palermo.

Here his french genealogy : https://gw.geneanet.org/garric?lang=en&n=rainaud+richard&oc=0&p=sarah+madeleine

His french ancestry seems to be from Central/Southern France and maybe some Northern French, don't know, his grandfather had a surname found in Central/Southern France and his grandmother had a surname found all over France but more present in the South and in the NE area.

[Samnium]

This is the K13 average?

Already, the Sardinians do not have 22 est-med on average, it is quite heterogeneous at this level, like the North Italians: between 15 and 25%, like the North Italians (no difference at this level). In general, the Sardinians from the center and the north have a low rate of red sea (very isolated in the central area), some Sardinians from the south too (it depends on the village too). It's the same for northern Italians.

I think I got my answer: it all depends on the village in Piedmont, some clusters differently depending on where the person comes from. Not very homogeneous, sadly.

Very bad spreadsheet IMO, especially for Southern regions it's awful, the separation "Western Sicily" and "Eastern Sicily" doesn't make any sense for example.

[Leto]

This is the K13 average?

Already, the Sardinians do not have 22 est-med on average, it is quite heterogeneous at this level, like the North Italians: between 15 and 25%, like the North Italians (no difference at this level). In general, the Sardinians from the center and the north have a low rate of red sea (very isolated in the central area), some Sardinians from the south too (it depends on the village too). It's the same for northern Italians.

I think I got my answer: it all depends on the village in Piedmont, some clusters differently depending on where the person comes from. Not very homogeneous, sadly.
Well, not that I am an expert on Italy or France but I think it's pretty clear that even Northern Italy is still a fairly Southern region. Of course not as Southern as Sicily or Calabria but not like Germany or even much of France either. 15-20% East Med and 2-3% Red Sea seem to be the norm even in Piedmont and Lombardy.

[Leto]

Very bad spreadsheet IMO, especially for Southern regions it's awful, the separation "Western Sicily" and "Eastern Sicily" doesn't make any sense for example.
That guy is a staunch ethnonationalist, why would he misrepresent his people? He boasts about being 100% North Italian.

[Samnium]

That guy is a staunch ethnonationalist, why would he misrepresent his people? He boasts about being 100% North Italian.

I've only said that's a bad spreadsheet, and I'm pretty much sure that for some regions (especially some Southern or Central regions) he used very few samples (not possible otherwise).

Separating Sicily on a West/East basis makes absolutely no sense btw. I would say Calabria Citra/Calabria Ultra as well, it's much more complex than that (Crotone isn't the same as Catanzaro or Reggio Calabria...).

[Lucas]

Nice stuff, actually. That guy is serious so Lukasz can add these averages to Vahaduo
https://ilsizzi.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/medie-k13.png

Someone can write it as text?

[Vid Flumina]

I've found from where his piedmontese ancestor is : Borgo San Dalmazzo (Southern Piedmonte, near Alps), his sicilian ancestry is from Cefalu, Palermo.


dududud a décidément de la chance:

#1 (Borgo San Dalmazzo)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.35
2 Atlantic 22.46
3 West_Med 20.55
4 East_Med 10.14
5 Baltic 4.89
6 West_Asian 4.31
7 Red_Sea 2.82
8 Eastern_Euro 2.76
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 South_Asian 0.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 7.52
2 French 7.75
3 Portuguese 8.92
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.98
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.79
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.1
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.36
8 West_German 11.87
9 South_Dutch 12.68
10 North_Italian 12.75
11 Spanish_Cantabria 13.1
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.28
13 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
14 Southwest_English 14.58
15 Spanish_Andalucia 15.04
16 Spanish_Aragon 15.38
17 Southwest_French 15.5
18 Southeast_English 16.21
19 Tuscan 17.38
20 North_German 18.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% West_German + 24% Sardinian @ 5.61
2 68.2% Spanish_Galicia + 31.8% West_German @ 5.76
3 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.11
4 61.2% Portuguese + 38.8% West_German @ 6.19
5 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Orcadian @ 6.25
6 65.6% Orcadian + 34.4% Sardinian @ 6.27
7 88.1% French + 11.9% Sardinian @ 6.33
8 52.5% Spanish_Galicia + 47.5% French @ 6.37
9 82.8% Spanish_Galicia + 17.2% Norwegian @ 6.38
10 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% North_Dutch @ 6.51
11 77.6% Spanish_Galicia + 22.4% Southwest_English @ 6.52
12 84.4% Spanish_Galicia + 15.6% Swedish @ 6.52
13 62.3% West_Norwegian + 37.7% Sardinian @ 6.58
14 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Southeast_English @ 6.61
15 53.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 46.4% West_German @ 6.64
16 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% West_Scottish @ 6.66
17 83.6% Spanish_Galicia + 16.4% Danish @ 6.68
18 77.1% Portuguese + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.68
19 83.7% Spanish_Galicia + 16.3% Irish @ 6.74
20 60.8% French + 39.2% Portuguese

#2 (Borgo San Dalmazzo + Chiusa Pesio)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.12
2 Atlantic 23.76
3 West_Med 21.28
4 East_Med 9.73
5 Baltic 9.7
6 West_Asian 3.88
7 Eastern_Euro 3.15
8 South_Asian 1.22
9 Red_Sea 0.96
10 Amerindian 0.81
11 Sub-Saharan 0.23
12 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 5.41
2 Portuguese 6.42
3 Spanish_Cataluna 6.57
4 French 7.6
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.84
6 Spanish_Extremadura 8.56
7 Spanish_Murcia 8.88
8 North_Italian 9.54
9 Spanish_Cantabria 10.04
10 Spanish_Valencia 10.71
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.43
12 Spanish_Andalucia 11.46
13 Southwest_French 11.47
14 South_Dutch 12.26
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.47
16 West_German 13.1
17 Tuscan 15.28
18 Southwest_English 15.5
19 Serbian 15.7
20 East_German 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% West_German + 29.1% Sardinian @ 3.38
2 61.9% North_Dutch + 38.1% Sardinian @ 3.71
3 82.4% French + 17.6% Sardinian @ 3.79
4 63.6% North_German + 36.4% Sardinian @ 3.96
5 61.7% Danish + 38.3% Sardinian @ 4.18
6 72.8% South_Dutch + 27.2% Sardinian @ 4.23
7 58.8% Swedish + 41.2% Sardinian @ 4.45
8 62.4% Irish + 37.6% Sardinian @ 4.54
9 80.8% Spanish_Galicia + 19.2% West_German @ 4.55
10 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Hungarian @ 4.57
11 65.2% Southeast_English + 34.8% Sardinian @ 4.59
12 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% East_German @ 4.71
13 73.8% Portuguese + 26.2% West_German @ 4.74
14 90.6% Spanish_Galicia + 9.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.77
15 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% Sardinian @ 4.77
16 89.4% Spanish_Galicia + 10.6% Swedish @ 4.78
17 91% Spanish_Galicia + 9% Ukrainian @ 4.79
18 70.2% Spanish_Galicia + 29.8% French @ 4.79
19 89% Spanish_Galicia + 11% Moldavian @ 4.81
20 61.5% West_Scottish + 38.5% Sardinian @ 4.81

[Samnium]

dududud a décidément de la chance:

#1 (Borgo San Dalmazzo)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.35
2 Atlantic 22.46
3 West_Med 20.55
4 East_Med 10.14
5 Baltic 4.89
6 West_Asian 4.31
7 Red_Sea 2.82
8 Eastern_Euro 2.76
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 South_Asian 0.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 7.52
2 French 7.75
3 Portuguese 8.92
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.98
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.79
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.1
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.36
8 West_German 11.87
9 South_Dutch 12.68
10 North_Italian 12.75
11 Spanish_Cantabria 13.1
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.28
13 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
14 Southwest_English 14.58
15 Spanish_Andalucia 15.04
16 Spanish_Aragon 15.38
17 Southwest_French 15.5
18 Southeast_English 16.21
19 Tuscan 17.38
20 North_German 18.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% West_German + 24% Sardinian @ 5.61
2 68.2% Spanish_Galicia + 31.8% West_German @ 5.76
3 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.11
4 61.2% Portuguese + 38.8% West_German @ 6.19
5 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Orcadian @ 6.25
6 65.6% Orcadian + 34.4% Sardinian @ 6.27
7 88.1% French + 11.9% Sardinian @ 6.33
8 52.5% Spanish_Galicia + 47.5% French @ 6.37
9 82.8% Spanish_Galicia + 17.2% Norwegian @ 6.38
10 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% North_Dutch @ 6.51
11 77.6% Spanish_Galicia + 22.4% Southwest_English @ 6.52
12 84.4% Spanish_Galicia + 15.6% Swedish @ 6.52
13 62.3% West_Norwegian + 37.7% Sardinian @ 6.58
14 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Southeast_English @ 6.61
15 53.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 46.4% West_German @ 6.64
16 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% West_Scottish @ 6.66
17 83.6% Spanish_Galicia + 16.4% Danish @ 6.68
18 77.1% Portuguese + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.68
19 83.7% Spanish_Galicia + 16.3% Irish @ 6.74
20 60.8% French + 39.2% Portuguese

#2 (Borgo San Dalmazzo + Chiusa Pesio)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.12
2 Atlantic 23.76
3 West_Med 21.28
4 East_Med 9.73
5 Baltic 9.7
6 West_Asian 3.88
7 Eastern_Euro 3.15
8 South_Asian 1.22
9 Red_Sea 0.96
10 Amerindian 0.81
11 Sub-Saharan 0.23
12 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 5.41
2 Portuguese 6.42
3 Spanish_Cataluna 6.57
4 French 7.6
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.84
6 Spanish_Extremadura 8.56
7 Spanish_Murcia 8.88
8 North_Italian 9.54
9 Spanish_Cantabria 10.04
10 Spanish_Valencia 10.71
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.43
12 Spanish_Andalucia 11.46
13 Southwest_French 11.47
14 South_Dutch 12.26
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.47
16 West_German 13.1
17 Tuscan 15.28
18 Southwest_English 15.5
19 Serbian 15.7
20 East_German 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% West_German + 29.1% Sardinian @ 3.38
2 61.9% North_Dutch + 38.1% Sardinian @ 3.71
3 82.4% French + 17.6% Sardinian @ 3.79
4 63.6% North_German + 36.4% Sardinian @ 3.96
5 61.7% Danish + 38.3% Sardinian @ 4.18
6 72.8% South_Dutch + 27.2% Sardinian @ 4.23
7 58.8% Swedish + 41.2% Sardinian @ 4.45
8 62.4% Irish + 37.6% Sardinian @ 4.54
9 80.8% Spanish_Galicia + 19.2% West_German @ 4.55
10 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Hungarian @ 4.57
11 65.2% Southeast_English + 34.8% Sardinian @ 4.59
12 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% East_German @ 4.71
13 73.8% Portuguese + 26.2% West_German @ 4.74
14 90.6% Spanish_Galicia + 9.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.77
15 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% Sardinian @ 4.77
16 89.4% Spanish_Galicia + 10.6% Swedish @ 4.78
17 91% Spanish_Galicia + 9% Ukrainian @ 4.79
18 70.2% Spanish_Galicia + 29.8% French @ 4.79
19 89% Spanish_Galicia + 11% Moldavian @ 4.81
20 61.5% West_Scottish + 38.5% Sardinian @ 4.81

Exactly same city yes

[Leto]

Someone can write it as text?
Not me :p

[dududud]

dududud a décidément de la chance:

#1 (Borgo San Dalmazzo)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.35
2 Atlantic 22.46
3 West_Med 20.55
4 East_Med 10.14
5 Baltic 4.89
6 West_Asian 4.31
7 Red_Sea 2.82
8 Eastern_Euro 2.76
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 South_Asian 0.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 7.52
2 French 7.75
3 Portuguese 8.92
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.98
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.79
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.1
7 Spanish_Murcia 11.36
8 West_German 11.87
9 South_Dutch 12.68
10 North_Italian 12.75
11 Spanish_Cantabria 13.1
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 14.28
13 Spanish_Valencia 14.28
14 Southwest_English 14.58
15 Spanish_Andalucia 15.04
16 Spanish_Aragon 15.38
17 Southwest_French 15.5
18 Southeast_English 16.21
19 Tuscan 17.38
20 North_German 18.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% West_German + 24% Sardinian @ 5.61
2 68.2% Spanish_Galicia + 31.8% West_German @ 5.76
3 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.11
4 61.2% Portuguese + 38.8% West_German @ 6.19
5 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Orcadian @ 6.25
6 65.6% Orcadian + 34.4% Sardinian @ 6.27
7 88.1% French + 11.9% Sardinian @ 6.33
8 52.5% Spanish_Galicia + 47.5% French @ 6.37
9 82.8% Spanish_Galicia + 17.2% Norwegian @ 6.38
10 82.1% Spanish_Galicia + 17.9% North_Dutch @ 6.51
11 77.6% Spanish_Galicia + 22.4% Southwest_English @ 6.52
12 84.4% Spanish_Galicia + 15.6% Swedish @ 6.52
13 62.3% West_Norwegian + 37.7% Sardinian @ 6.58
14 80.5% Spanish_Galicia + 19.5% Southeast_English @ 6.61
15 53.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 46.4% West_German @ 6.64
16 83.4% Spanish_Galicia + 16.6% West_Scottish @ 6.66
17 83.6% Spanish_Galicia + 16.4% Danish @ 6.68
18 77.1% Portuguese + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.68
19 83.7% Spanish_Galicia + 16.3% Irish @ 6.74
20 60.8% French + 39.2% Portuguese

#2 (Borgo San Dalmazzo + Chiusa Pesio)


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.12
2 Atlantic 23.76
3 West_Med 21.28
4 East_Med 9.73
5 Baltic 9.7
6 West_Asian 3.88
7 Eastern_Euro 3.15
8 South_Asian 1.22
9 Red_Sea 0.96
10 Amerindian 0.81
11 Sub-Saharan 0.23
12 Oceanian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Galicia 5.41
2 Portuguese 6.42
3 Spanish_Cataluna 6.57
4 French 7.6
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.84
6 Spanish_Extremadura 8.56
7 Spanish_Murcia 8.88
8 North_Italian 9.54
9 Spanish_Cantabria 10.04
10 Spanish_Valencia 10.71
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.43
12 Spanish_Andalucia 11.46
13 Southwest_French 11.47
14 South_Dutch 12.26
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.47
16 West_German 13.1
17 Tuscan 15.28
18 Southwest_English 15.5
19 Serbian 15.7
20 East_German 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.9% West_German + 29.1% Sardinian @ 3.38
2 61.9% North_Dutch + 38.1% Sardinian @ 3.71
3 82.4% French + 17.6% Sardinian @ 3.79
4 63.6% North_German + 36.4% Sardinian @ 3.96
5 61.7% Danish + 38.3% Sardinian @ 4.18
6 72.8% South_Dutch + 27.2% Sardinian @ 4.23
7 58.8% Swedish + 41.2% Sardinian @ 4.45
8 62.4% Irish + 37.6% Sardinian @ 4.54
9 80.8% Spanish_Galicia + 19.2% West_German @ 4.55
10 85.3% Spanish_Galicia + 14.7% Hungarian @ 4.57
11 65.2% Southeast_English + 34.8% Sardinian @ 4.59
12 85.5% Spanish_Galicia + 14.5% East_German @ 4.71
13 73.8% Portuguese + 26.2% West_German @ 4.74
14 90.6% Spanish_Galicia + 9.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.77
15 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% Sardinian @ 4.77
16 89.4% Spanish_Galicia + 10.6% Swedish @ 4.78
17 91% Spanish_Galicia + 9% Ukrainian @ 4.79
18 70.2% Spanish_Galicia + 29.8% French @ 4.79
19 89% Spanish_Galicia + 11% Moldavian @ 4.81
20 61.5% West_Scottish + 38.5% Sardinian @ 4.81

Cela correspond bien à la zone Alpine, non ? Il obtient du français dans les premières populations...