crazyladybutterfly gedmatch results

[crazyladybutterfly]

dnakit number :
98809

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.
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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.79
2 West_Med 15.96
3 North_Sea 14.46
4 West_Asian 12.40
5 Atlantic 12.37
6 Red_Sea 5.45
7 Baltic 5.31
8 Eastern_Euro 2.74


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_Sicilian @ 7.069312
2 Central_Greek @ 7.194544
3 South_Italian @ 7.697491
4 Ashkenazi @ 7.913111
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.405022
6 Italian_Jewish @ 8.867106
7 West_Sicilian @ 9.135261
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.155136
9 Sephardic_Jewish @ 11.375813
10 Algerian_Jewish @ 11.717696
11 Greek @ 12.753127
12 Tuscan @ 13.503580
13 Libyan_Jewish @ 14.885240
14 Tunisian_Jewish @ 15.278941
15 Cyprian @ 18.325743
16 Bulgarian @ 20.192181
17 North_Italian @ 20.685474
18 Lebanese_Muslim @ 21.425312
19 Romanian @ 22.011297
20 Syrian @ 22.087654

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +50% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.223975


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Druze +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 3.330989


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + West_German @ 2.930022
2 Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.059253
3 Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.103042
4 Algerian_Jewish + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + West_German @ 3.273520
5 Algerian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.294445
6 Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + West_German @ 3.306143
7 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Swedish @ 3.330989
8 Lebanese_Druze + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + West_Norwegian @ 3.366293
9 Central_Greek + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + West_German @ 3.385510
10 Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze + Tuscan + West_German @ 3.412135
11 Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + North_Italian + West_German @ 3.415657
12 East_Sicilian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + West_German @ 3.417662
13 Italian_Jewish + Samaritan + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.429278
14 Algerian_Jewish + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Christian + West_German @ 3.432648
15 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze + West_German @ 3.445624
16 Cyprian + Libyan_Jewish + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.445721
17 Cyprian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + West_German @ 3.467362
18 Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian + South_Italian + West_German @ 3.470246
19 Algerian_Jewish + East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze + West_German @ 3.474312
20 Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + West_German @ 3.488388

[crazyladybutterfly]

Kit Number: TB1449162

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Kit TB1449162

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.79
2 West_Med 15.96
3 North_Sea 14.46
4 West_Asian 12.4
5 Atlantic 12.37
6 Red_Sea 5.45
7 Baltic 5.31
8 Eastern_Euro 2.74
9 Oceanian 0.42
10 Siberian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.15
2 East_Sicilian 6.15
3 South_Italian 6.64
4 Ashkenazi 6.94
5 Italian_Abruzzo 7.14
6 Italian_Jewish 7.82
7 West_Sicilian 7.87
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.57
9 Sephardic_Jewish 9.92
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.32
11 Greek 10.97
12 Tuscan 11.52
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.47
14 Tunisian_Jewish 13.51
15 Cyprian 15.63
16 Bulgarian 17.32
17 North_Italian 17.65
18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.55
19 Romanian 18.84
20 Syrian 19.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66% Cyprian + 34% West_German @ 3.56
2 52.3% Lebanese_Druze + 47.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.66
3 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.81
4 72.3% Cyprian + 27.7% West_Norwegian @ 3.98
5 69.8% Cyprian + 30.2% Southwest_English @ 4
6 67.5% Tuscan + 32.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.02
7 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% Swedish @ 4.08
8 55.1% Lebanese_Christian + 44.9% French @ 4.09
9 71.7% Cyprian + 28.3% Orcadian @ 4.14
10 85.6% Italian_Jewish + 14.4% West_Norwegian @ 4.16
11 64.3% Cyprian + 35.7% French @ 4.17
12 70.2% Cyprian + 29.8% Southeast_English @ 4.19
13 85.2% Italian_Jewish + 14.8% Norwegian @ 4.19
14 81.7% Italian_Jewish + 18.3% West_German @ 4.23
15 71.7% Cyprian + 28.3% Norwegian @ 4.25
16 51.7% Lebanese_Druze + 48.3% Portuguese @ 4.25
17 85.4% Italian_Jewish + 14.6% North_Swedish @ 4.26
18 71% Cyprian + 29% North_Dutch @ 4.29
19 71.5% Cyprian + 28.5% West_Scottish @ 4.41
20 56.8% Italian_Jewish + 43.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.43

[crazyladybutterfly]

ancestry : mostly apulian

[crazyladybutterfly]

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[Leto]

Hi, long time no see! Remember when we used to troll a lot :D
I also remember you considered yourself swarthy and potentially mixed and said I had a nice skin tone :cool:

[crazyladybutterfly]

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[crazyladybutterfly]

Hi, long time no see! Remember when we used to troll a lot :D
I also remember you considered yourself swarthy and potentially mixed and said I had a nice skin tone :cool:

i did expect to have more "east med" than average, the higher "north sea" was a bit of a surprise.

[Leto]

Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12b are the best for you.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Hi, long time no see! Remember when we used to troll a lot :D
I also remember you considered yourself swarthy and potentially mixed and said I had a nice skin tone :cool:

i did expect to have more "east med" than average, the higher "north sea" was a bit of a surprise.

i made a dna test with dantelabs for medical reasons then i used wgsextract to translate the bam into a gedmatch friendly version.

[Leto]

i did expect to have more "east med" than average, the higher "north sea" was a bit of a surprise.
Your East Med is high in enough IMO

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.49
2 North_Atlantic 20.08
3 West_Med 19.4
4 West_Asian 12.37
5 Baltic 8.57
6 Red_Sea 5.08
7 Oceanian 0.46
8 Siberian 0.41
9 East_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 5.3
2 Ashkenazi 5.33
3 South_Italian 5.66
4 West_Sicilian 5.67
5 Central_Greek 5.85
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.01
7 Italian_Jewish 8.47
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.66
9 Greek_Thessaly 10.02
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.07
11 Tuscan 11.09
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.95
14 Cyprian 16.74
15 North_Italian 17.64
16 Bulgarian 18.21
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.99
18 Romanian 20.01
19 Syrian 21.28
20 Turkish 21.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Tuscan + 32.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.95
2 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.08
3 53.9% Ashkenazi + 46.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.73
4 58.6% Lebanese_Druze + 41.4% Southwest_French @ 2.87
5 71.3% Italian_Jewish + 28.7% Romanian @ 2.88
6 80.5% Italian_Jewish + 19.5% Austrian @ 2.89
7 79.8% Italian_Jewish + 20.2% Hungarian @ 2.92
8 74.9% Italian_Jewish + 25.1% Serbian @ 2.94
9 81.7% Italian_Jewish + 18.3% East_German @ 3.02
10 60.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.1
11 69.6% Italian_Jewish + 30.4% Bulgarian @ 3.19
12 83.4% Italian_Jewish + 16.6% North_German @ 3.25
13 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% North_Swedish @ 3.25
14 71.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 28.9% Romanian @ 3.26
15 84.8% Italian_Jewish + 15.2% Swedish @ 3.27
16 69% Tuscan + 31% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
17 74.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 25.3% Serbian @ 3.3
18 83.7% Italian_Jewish + 16.3% South_Polish @ 3.34
19 69.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.9% Bulgarian @ 3.35
20 83.2% West_Sicilian + 16.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.37

[Leto]

You are a white girl, your Northern Euro score is very high for Southern Italy. I anticipate Samnium coming and saying there is Nordic genes & looks in his family ;)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.34
2 Atlantic_Med 26.94
3 North_European 18.15
4 Southwest_Asian 12.92
5 Gedrosia 6.94
6 Northwest_African 1.93
7 Sub_Saharan 0.35
8 Southeast_Asian 0.23
9 Siberian 0.12
10 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.68
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.64
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.09
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.68
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.92
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.93
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.24
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.9
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.24
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.22
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.25
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.81
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18
15 Romanians (Behar) 18.64
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.72
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.01
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.11
19 Turks (Behar) 23.45
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
2 67.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.77
3 67% Cypriots (Behar) + 33% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.84
4 66.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.9
5 66.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.9
6 65.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.3% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
7 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.96
8 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
9 64.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 35.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.98
10 65.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.01
11 66.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.7% British (Dodecad) @ 2.05
12 63.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.18
13 78.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.26
14 66% Cypriots (Behar) + 34% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.3
15 74.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.42
16 54.6% Druze (HGDP) + 45.4% French (HGDP) @ 2.45
17 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
18 75.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.69
19 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.77
20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88

[crazyladybutterfly]

You are a white girl, your Northern Euro score is very high for Southern Italy. I anticipate Samnium coming and saying there is Nordic genes & looks in his family ;)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.34
2 Atlantic_Med 26.94
3 North_European 18.15
4 Southwest_Asian 12.92
5 Gedrosia 6.94
6 Northwest_African 1.93
7 Sub_Saharan 0.35
8 Southeast_Asian 0.23
9 Siberian 0.12
10 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.68
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.64
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.09
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.68
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.92
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.93
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.24
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.9
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.24
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.22
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.25
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.81
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18
15 Romanians (Behar) 18.64
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.72
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.01
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.11
19 Turks (Behar) 23.45
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
2 67.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.77
3 67% Cypriots (Behar) + 33% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.84
4 66.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.9
5 66.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.9
6 65.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.3% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
7 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.96
8 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
9 64.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 35.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.98
10 65.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.01
11 66.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.7% British (Dodecad) @ 2.05
12 63.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.18
13 78.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.26
14 66% Cypriots (Behar) + 34% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.3
15 74.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.42
16 54.6% Druze (HGDP) + 45.4% French (HGDP) @ 2.45
17 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
18 75.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.69
19 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.77
20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88

i have wondered if i have both sephardi and germanic admixture which knowing my region history doesn't seem that much far fetched as a guess.
I have searched my parents surnames on facebook and the people sharing such surnames have higher rates of blondism and light eyes, my guess is that i have sephardim could be from my paternal grandmother side or maybe both sides have a bit of both.

My one-to-many matches are bulgarian ( about 50 cM with a bulgarian family) , south italians, south italian mixed, askenazi jews, north/central europeans
(i am considering matches above 15 cM)
but i wonder about the validity of this utility, i have read it could be an exome match (and read there is less difference among individuals when it comes to exomes) but still my matches are very "chromosome specific"

[crazyladybutterfly]

what does "o_italian" mean?

[Leto]

what does "o_italian" mean?
It might be Central Italy.

[crazyladybutterfly]

It might be Central Italy.

i thought it was more like "occidental italian" like genovese etc

[Leto]

By the way, you are zero Romani (I remember you suspected some). In fact you are like 99% Caucasoid, pretty much fully. No African either.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You are a white girl, your Northern Euro score is very high for Southern Italy. I anticipate Samnium coming and saying there is Nordic genes & looks in his family ;)


I have the same North Euro. But she is more W or SW shifted than me. Not sure when it's accurate to isolate individual components, however. Isn't it best to look at things big picture?

[crazyladybutterfly]

o_italian means "other italian" https://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/06/design-of-dodecad-v3.html
neither central or north-occidental average

[crazyladybutterfly]

I have the same North Euro. But she is more W or SW shifted than me. Not sure when it's accurate to isolate individual components, however. Isn't it best to look at things big picture?

what is your region of origin?

a friend from basilicata had similar north sea component (actually higher but it s less than 1% more) but higher west med and lower east med than me.

[Leto]

I have the same North Euro. But she is more W or SW shifted than me. Not sure when it's accurate to isolate individual components, however. Isn't it best to look at things big picture?
Well, that component is still a marker and most Southern Italians are 12-15%, not 18%. Of course the other things should be taken into account as well.

[Leto]

o_italian means "other italian" https://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/06/design-of-dodecad-v3.html
neither central or north-occidental average
Maybe mixed. It's not as Southern as the "South_Italian".

[itilvolga]

Good results and welcome back, long time no see.

[Rgvgjhvv]

what is your region of origin?

a friend from basilicata had similar north sea component (actually higher but it s less than 1% more) but higher west med and lower east med than me.

"Greek Islander" as they call us here, from Samos. But we plot similarly to Southern Italians like yourself.

[crazyladybutterfly]

98811

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=98811&d=1590000335

[crazyladybutterfly]

"Greek Islander" as they call us here, from Samos. But we plot similarly to Southern Italians like yourself.

interesting, thank you :)

[Leto]

...
I recommend you to try Vahaduo (don't forget distances)
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

[Bosniensis]

Gedmatch are so 2017

(the last time you were active)

he he

[Harkonnen]

omg crazylady is back. I'm 100% certain crazylady's username is inspired by Crazy Town's Butterfly

[crazyladybutterfly]

how do i make myself a good pca map? this is done with eurogenes k13 and it s not accurate i think https://www.gedmatch.com/downloads/TB1449162_4634fc.htm

[Leto]

Try this thing
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?322768-2-0-edition-Eurogenes-K10-from-Admixture-Studio-updated-oracle
It's not on Gedmatch, you need to download Admixture Studio.

[Leto]

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.11
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.1
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 15.8
4 Near_East 10.31
5 South_Central_Asian 6.86
6 North_African 4.35
7 Melano_Polynesian 0.84
8 Tungus-Altaic 0.51
9 Subsaharian 0.5
10 Australoid 0.28
11 Austronesian 0.19
12 African_Pygmy 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.95
2 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 4.14
3 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 4.49
4 Greek_Northwest ( ) 5.08
5 Sicilian_East ( ) 5.1
6 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.16
7 French_Jew ( ) 5.3
8 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.44
9 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 5.62
10 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.76
11 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 5.83
12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 6.38
13 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 6.4
14 Kosovar ( ) 6.59
15 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.72
16 Italian_Jew ( ) 7
17 Turk_Jew ( ) 7.23
18 Maltese ( ) 7.27
19 Central_Greek ( ) 7.46
20 Romanian_Jew ( ) 7.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% Sicilian_West ( ) + 34.2% Greek ( ) @ 1.81
2 80.9% Cretan ( ) + 19.1% French ( ) @ 1.85
3 67.4% Sicilian_West ( ) + 32.6% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.9
4 66.8% Cretan ( ) + 33.2% Italian_North ( ) @ 2.04
5 51.2% Italian_North ( ) + 48.8% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.05
6 60.2% Sicilian_West ( ) + 39.8% Central_Greek ( ) @ 2.06
7 82.8% Cretan ( ) + 17.2% Spaniard ( ) @ 2.06
8 84% Cretan ( ) + 16% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 2.07
9 69% Sicilian_West ( ) + 31% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.09
10 83.8% Cretan ( ) + 16.2% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.12
11 73.5% Sicilian_West ( ) + 26.5% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.15
12 83.8% Cretan ( ) + 16.2% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 2.17
13 84.4% Cretan ( ) + 15.6% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.22
14 80.2% Cretan ( ) + 19.8% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 2.23
15 84% Cretan ( ) + 16% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 2.23
16 82% Cretan ( ) + 18% Portugese ( ) @ 2.23
17 80.4% Cretan ( ) + 19.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 2.26
18 81.6% Cretan ( ) + 18.4% Welsh ( ) @ 2.27
19 86.1% Cretan ( ) + 13.9% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.27
20 84.6% Cretan ( ) + 15.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.27

[Samnium]

K13 Distances :

Distance to: Crazyladybird
4.84963916 Molise
4.86686758 Campania
4.98351282 Abruzzo
5.52092384 Apulia
5.52763964 Basilicata
5.79820662 Malta
5.99282905 East_Sicilian
6.01072375 Ashkenazi
6.25400672 Sicily
6.40932134 Calabria
6.41491231 West_Sicilian
6.42776789 Greek_Andros_Island
6.74854058 Central_Greek
9.57290969 Italian_Jewish
9.73052414 Sephardic_Jewish
9.96470772 Moroccan_Jew
10.02615081 GR_Peloponese
10.14215460 Greek_Symi_Island
10.30883117 Greek_Western-Thrace
10.49275941 Marche
10.95839975 Greek_Dodecanese
10.97349078 Turk_Crete
11.04935292 Lazio
11.25355499 Algerian_Jewish
11.35314494 Greek_Chios
11.47809218 Greek_Peloponnese
11.49582968 Greek_Thessaly
11.69580267 Umbria
11.89410358 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
12.10820383 Albanian_south_Albania
12.26881412 Romagna
12.66968824 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
12.81596270 Tuscan
12.93524642 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
13.10138924 Greek_Istanbul
13.25384095 Albanian_Albania
13.26557198 Turk_Alexandroupoli
13.42000745 Albanian_central_Albania
13.62790153 Albanian_Montenegro
13.72140299 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
13.87943443 Turk_Thessaloniki
13.90269758 Albanian
13.94845153 Greek_Central-Macedonia
13.99836419 Turk_Burgas
14.08739862 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
14.11506760 GR_Macedonia
14.39969791 Albanian_Macedonia
14.46649923 Albanian_north_Albania
14.48219251 Tunisian_Jewish
14.71250828 Greek_Western-Macedonia

Target: Crazyladybird
Distance: 1.2243% / 1.22432215
31.6 Lebanese_Druze
18.0 Lombardy
17.0 Swiss_Italian
15.6 Italian_Jewish
7.8 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.8 Molise

Target: Crazyladybird
Distance: 1.2243% / 1.22432215
31.6 Lebanese_Druze
18.0 Lombardy
17.0 Swiss_Italian
15.6 Italian_Jewish
7.8 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.8 Molise

Target: Crazyladybird
Distance: 2.4081% / 2.40811224 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6 Abruzzo
28.2 Ashkenazi
14.6 Italian_Jewish
2.0 Lebanese_Druze
1.6 Southeast_English

[Samnium]

You are a white girl, your Northern Euro score is very high for Southern Italy. I anticipate Samnium coming and saying there is Nordic genes & looks in his family ;)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.34
2 Atlantic_Med 26.94
3 North_European 18.15
4 Southwest_Asian 12.92
5 Gedrosia 6.94
6 Northwest_African 1.93
7 Sub_Saharan 0.35
8 Southeast_Asian 0.23
9 Siberian 0.12
10 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.68
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.64
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.09
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.68
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.92
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.93
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.24
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.9
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.24
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.22
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.25
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.81
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18
15 Romanians (Behar) 18.64
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.72
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.01
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.11
19 Turks (Behar) 23.45
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
2 67.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.77
3 67% Cypriots (Behar) + 33% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.84
4 66.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.9
5 66.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.9
6 65.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.3% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
7 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.96
8 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
9 64.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 35.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.98
10 65.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.01
11 66.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.7% British (Dodecad) @ 2.05
12 63.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.18
13 78.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.26
14 66% Cypriots (Behar) + 34% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.3
15 74.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.42
16 54.6% Druze (HGDP) + 45.4% French (HGDP) @ 2.45
17 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
18 75.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.69
19 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.77
20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88

I've seen apulians with even higher North Euro, nothing surprising !

[Leto]

I've seen apulians with even higher North Euro, nothing surprising !
Her results are still interesting. Jewish-like. Both East Med and North Euro are slightly elevated. By the way, the chip version is good (high SNP count).

[Samnium]

Her results are still interesting. Jewish-like. Both East Med and North Euro are slightly elevated. By the way, the chip version is good (high SNP count).

Quite Jewish like but IMO overall she's more "Northern" shifted, see :

20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88

[Halgurd]

Welcome back

[Oneeye]

You're alive.


Italian looking results. Shocking :coffee:

[crazyladybutterfly]

Quite Jewish like but IMO overall she's more "Northern" shifted, see :

20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88

which is why im wondering if i have both jewish and germanic (other than apulian of course) with the latter shifting me a bit more towards the average of my region.

[yamagi]

Jews have Italian ancestry, not the other way around. The MENA in Italians come from Byzantine Greeks, Phoenicians, but you seem quite North-Euro shifted for a South Italian.

[Samnium]

which is why im wondering if i have both jewish and germanic (other than apulian of course) with the latter shifting me a bit more towards the average of my region.

I'm part apulian if you want to know :p

I think that Apulians (but also some other mainland italians and even sicilians) have some recent "Greek" and even Albanian ancestry, that's why you have a "Baltic" shift (Lithuanian) compared to the S_Italian_Sicilian average. Nothing to do with germanic.

[Leto]

You are a white girl, your Northern Euro score is very high for Southern Italy. I anticipate Samnium coming and saying there is Nordic genes & looks in his family ;)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 32.34
2 Atlantic_Med 26.94
3 North_European 18.15
4 Southwest_Asian 12.92
5 Gedrosia 6.94
6 Northwest_African 1.93
7 Sub_Saharan 0.35
8 Southeast_Asian 0.23
9 Siberian 0.12
10 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.68
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.64
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.09
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.68
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 8.92
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.93
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.24
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.9
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.24
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.22
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.25
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 17.81
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 18
15 Romanians (Behar) 18.64
16 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.72
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.01
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.11
19 Turks (Behar) 23.45
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
2 67.2% Cypriots (Behar) + 32.8% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.77
3 67% Cypriots (Behar) + 33% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.84
4 66.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.2% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.9
5 66.4% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.9
6 65.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.3% English (Dodecad) @ 1.93
7 72.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.96
8 65.6% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
9 64.9% Cypriots (Behar) + 35.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.98
10 65.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 34.7% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.01
11 66.3% Cypriots (Behar) + 33.7% British (Dodecad) @ 2.05
12 63.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 36.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.18
13 78.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.26
14 66% Cypriots (Behar) + 34% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.3
15 74.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.7% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.42
16 54.6% Druze (HGDP) + 45.4% French (HGDP) @ 2.45
17 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
18 75.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.69
19 75.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.4% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.77
20 89.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.88
Distance to: CLB
2.53614432 Italy_Apulia
3.92303577 Italy_Abruzzo
5.36675004 Italy_Campania
5.60968849 Italy_Sicily
7.00142657 Italy_Lazio
7.35685395 Greek
7.57188471 Italy_Marche
7.79002452 Italy_Calabria
9.43011665 Greek_Crete
9.50084733 Crimean_Tatar_Coast

Target: CLB
Distance: 1.8348% / 1.83478482 | ADC: 0.5x
87.6 Italy_Apulia
9.2 Italy_Lazio
2.2 Albanian_Kosovo
1.0 Saudis

Target: CLB
Distance: 1.0747% / 1.07471646 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Italy_Apulia
14.4 Italy_Lazio
6.0 Greek
5.4 Albanian_Kosovo
2.6 Saudis

Very good oracle!

[crazyladybutterfly]

Jews have Italian ancestry, not the other way around. The MENA in Italians come from Byzantine Greeks, Phoenicians, but you seem quite North-Euro shifted for a South Italian.

where I live they were forced to convert (same for muslims in Lucera)

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://scontent.fbri2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/98203311_142227337382369_5996856423571521536_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQnR2Z8lHQR3ore-XAxkv7jLb5QWOAewrS6z496jdmDvzfkoGKF13XSlojBCJRdjLW M&_nc_ht=scontent.fbri2-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=c733b298914236e91a2f67ad4b5b7c1e&oe=5EEABE1F

this is dna genics , k47
what should i use?

sometimes i get results more northern shifted than I am.

[Samnium]

https://scontent.fbri2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/98203311_142227337382369_5996856423571521536_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQnR2Z8lHQR3ore-XAxkv7jLb5QWOAewrS6z496jdmDvzfkoGKF13XSlojBCJRdjLW M&_nc_ht=scontent.fbri2-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=c733b298914236e91a2f67ad4b5b7c1e&oe=5EEABE1F

this is dna genics , k47
what should i use?

sometimes i get results more northern shifted than I am.

Similar to others apulian results that I've seen, basically halfway between Mainland Greeks and your "average" sicilian. It makes sense historically btw.

You're northern shifted because I've seen many results from Sicily or southern Calabria that are modelized like 70% Cypriot + 30% Basque or Spanish, your modelization is 70% Cypriot + 30% North German, that's certain a very noticeable shift.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I'm part apulian if you want to know :p

I think that Apulians (but also some other mainland italians and even sicilians) have some recent "Greek" and even Albanian ancestry, that's why you have a "Baltic" shift (Lithuanian) compared to the S_Italian_Sicilian average. Nothing to do with germanic.

I don't know what is the impact of albanian and greek refugees in southern italy, I know that the albanians here have been relatively isolated in small cities but I dont fully know my family so it's a possibility.
But before Romans conquered Apulia the Illyrians settled here and I have been wondering what is the Illyrian genetic impact on Apulians vs other southerners.

[yamagi]

where I live they were forced to convert (same for muslims in Lucera)

Gedmatch is outdated and inaccurate for Deep South Europeans. G25 is more accurate, and there are millions of Italians with results just like yours.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Gedmatch is outdated and inaccurate for Deep South Europeans. G25 is more accurate, and there are millions of Italians with results just like yours.

g25 is good for unmixed people, anyway my closest matches were molise,basilicata, puglia

[Samnium]

Gedmatch is outdated and inaccurate for Deep South Europeans. G25 is more accurate, and there are millions of Italians with results just like yours.

Not true, Gedmatch is the only way to have hundreds if not thousand of results from areas really understudied, I know that here many people despise Gedmatch, but it's the only way to get so much results.

[Leto]

Not true, Gedmatch is the only way to have hundreds if not thousand of results from areas really understudied, I know that here many people despise Gedmatch, but it's the only way to get so much results.
Yes. We all know it's neither perfect nor up-to-date but most people won't use G25, at least not in the foreseeable future. I don't understand why some faceless socks who don't even disclose their actual background come to this forum and start telling us long-time users about Gedmatch and G25.

[yamagi]

Not true, Gedmatch is the only way to have hundreds if not thousand of results from areas really understudied, I know that here many people despise Gedmatch, but it's the only way to get so much results.

What do you mean by understudied areas? I've seen at leat 15 results from different parts of Calabria, South Italy is extremely oversampled, where as North and Central Italy is under sampled.

[crazyladybutterfly]

g25 is certainly interesting when you are willing to know how close you are to each ethnicity. while gedmatch only gives you like 20 ethnicities

[crazyladybutterfly]

What do you mean by understudied areas? I've seen at leat 15 results from different parts of Calabria, South Italy is extremely oversampled, where as North and Central Italy is under sampled.

italoamericans "fault" . italians in italy aren't nearly as interested in genetics as those living abroad and the majority of italian expats are southern.
Being a volunteer project it isnt surprising.
What amazes me is how private companies don't make a distinction between the several kinds of italians, by not doing so they are almost scamming their customers.

[yamagi]

italoamericans "fault" . italians in italy aren't nearly as interested in genetics as those living abroad and the majority of italian expacts are southern.
Being a volunteer project it isnt surprising.
What amazes me is how private companies don't make a distinction between the several kinds of italians, by not doing so they are almost scamming their customers.

They spend a dozen of money to differentiate different Ashkenazi and other Jewish communities, because many of these companies are owned by Israel based labs or Israeli-Americans, so they overrepresent Jewish populations, the same is true for Italians to be exact because they differentiate East from West Sicily which is ridiculous for a small island like that, by this alone they could make a West vs East Cyprus reference too.

[crazyladybutterfly]

They spend a dozen of money to differentiate different Ashkenazi and other Jewish communities, because many of these companies are owned by Israel based labs or Israeli-Americans, so they overrepresent Jewish populations, the same is true for Italians to be exact because they differentiate East from West Sicily which is ridiculous for a small island like that, by this alone they could make a West vs East Cyprus reference too.

in a paid test a southern italian would be very lucky if he gets 100% ashkenazi or mostly ashkenazi + a small of northwestern european percentage , what happens instead is that their dna gets fragmented in dozens of ethnicities , before gedmatch i used sequencing test (which isnt free) and i got 33 ethnicities all the way from iceland to saudi arabia, 33 ethnicities all fragmented in small percentages.
For a southern italian I would suggest to spend more money and getting a medical test then translating it with wgsextract to upload it in free websites, you might at least use your money to know if you are more suspectible to medical disorders.

I recognize gedmatch is very jewish focused. I agree that other than the higher italoamerican samples there might be an interest by whoever runs the company to be more specific about jews and populations similar to european jews.

[Samnium]

What do you mean by understudied areas? I've seen at leat 15 results from different parts of Calabria, South Italy is extremely oversampled, where as North and Central Italy is under sampled.

LOL at Southern Italy extremely oversampled.

80% of the Southern Italian results that I've seen come from Sicily. Then the rest is predominantly Campania and Reggio Calabria/Vibo Valentia. I've seen 2 results (on Gedmatch) from Cosenza, one for Crotone, 0 from Basilicata and Molise, very few for Abruzzo and Apulia.

It's the contrary, Southern Italian genetics is still vastly not understood and blurry. The G25 average of Calabria is made up of 3 individuals, the G25 average of Apulia, barely 15...

And by the way we don't even know the locations, so in the southern italian case it's pretty much useless.

[Samnium]

They spend a dozen of money to differentiate different Ashkenazi and other Jewish communities, because many of these companies are owned by Israel based labs or Israeli-Americans, so they overrepresent Jewish populations, the same is true for Italians to be exact because they differentiate East from West Sicily which is ridiculous for a small island like that, by this alone they could make a West vs East Cyprus reference too.

The West/East division makes no sense but not for the reason that you say. Sicily isn't a small island at all (actually it's the largest italian region and the largest island in the Med sea), and there are very sharp genetical differences inside it.

Sicily covers 25 000km², Cyprus 9 251km², Sicily is like 2.5 times larger than Cyprus...

[gixajo]

how do i make myself a good pca map? this is done with eurogenes k13 and it s not accurate i think https://www.gedmatch.com/downloads/TB1449162_4634fc.htm

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

[gixajo]

g25 is certainly interesting when you are willing to know how close you are to each ethnicity. while gedmatch only gives you like 20 ethnicities

k36 gives you 36, in YourDnaPortal you have even more.

[yamagi]

The West/East division makes no sense but not for the reason that you say. Sicily isn't a small island at all (actually it's the largest italian region and the largest island in the Med sea), and there are very sharp genetical differences inside it.

Sicily covers 25 000km², Cyprus 9 251km², Sicily is like 2.5 times larger than Cyprus...

No, the largest largest Italian region is Sardinia.

I see you still cling on the underrepresentation of Calabria samples on G25, but even those 3 don't differ any from Campania, Lucania and to a lesser extent Apulia.

[yamagi]

The West/East division makes no sense but not for the reason that you say. Sicily isn't a small island at all (actually it's the largest italian region and the largest island in the Med sea), and there are very sharp genetical differences inside it.

Sicily covers 25 000km², Cyprus 9 251km², Sicily is like 2.5 times larger than Cyprus...

No, the largest largest Italian region is Sardinia.

I see you still cling on the underrepresentation of Calabria samples on G25, but even those 3 don't differ any from Campania, Lucania and to a lesser extent Apulia.

[Jana]

Welcome back! Nice to see you again, nice results too. Looks typical Apulian. Please try DNA Land it's a free upload :)

[Nassbean]

I didn't know south italians had that much ME ancestry that's impressive. You have more than me lol

[Rgvgjhvv]

I didn't know south italians had that much ME ancestry that's impressive. You have more than me lol

Where do you see that?

[Kamal900]

Man, girl! It's really been a while. I though you left the forum for good.

[yamagi]

I didn't know south italians had that much ME ancestry that's impressive. You have more than me lol

Moroccan hashish is one strong substance.

[Leto]

I didn't know south italians had that much ME ancestry that's impressive. You have more than me lol
That's wrong. She doesn't have more than Ashkenazim for example, perhaps even a bit less, yet you have been telling Europeans that Jews are supposed to be full white and have nothing to with the Middle East, although it's pretty damn obvious and proven that even European Jews are at least half Middle Eastern (I'm not talking about half-breeds who identify as Jewish in a religious or cultural way).

[Nassbean]

Where do you see that?

East med + west asian + red sea

[Nassbean]

That's wrong. She doesn't have more than Ashkenazim for example, perhaps even a bit less, yet you have been telling Europeans that Jews are supposed to be full white and have nothing to with the Middle East, although it's pretty damn obvious and proven that even European Jews are at least half Middle Eastern (I'm not talking about half-breeds who identify as Jewish in a religious or cultural way).

I never said jews are fully europeans I always said they are half european in general ...I mean being half middle eastern for a south european that's crazy

[Jana]

East med + west asian + red sea

No my dear. East med came with neolithic farmers in part, and west Asian with indo-europeans. Stop being ridiculous and trolling southern Europeans.
Ofcourse there is some post BA east med and west asian in south Italy, but these components exist in almost every European including northern ones.

[Leto]

I never said jews are fully europeans I always said they are half european in general ...I mean being half middle eastern for a south european that's crazy
I thought you were against the Jewish presence in Palestine and considered them just European converts larping as Hebrews.
Anyway, she is not atypical and as I pointed out earlier even scores a high amount of North European for the region. 18% North_European is definitely substantial.

[Rgvgjhvv]

East med + west asian + red sea

Mine is almost the same with hers, but I don't think it's from "ME ancestry". Mycenaeans already had components that are considered "ME" in today's definitions but in reality it's purely Ancient Greek. It's probably similar with OP's ancestry as well.

[Samnium]

No, the largest largest Italian region is Sardinia.

I see you still cling on the underrepresentation of Calabria samples on G25, but even those 3 don't differ any from Campania, Lucania and to a lesser extent Apulia.

Nope, Sardinia is less "large" than Sicily, by 1000km² actually.

LOL, 2 of the 3 calabrian samples are very southern shifted, they are very atypical as a whole for a southern italian result.

An average made of 3 samples, not even one professionnal study would accept that.

It's not just Calabria, it's : Molise, Abruzzo, Basilicata, Apulia... basically all the southern italian regions except Sicily.

[Nassbean]

No my dear. East med came with neolithic farmers in part, and west Asian with indo-europeans. Stop being ridiculous and trolling southern Europeans.
Ofcourse there is some post BA east med and west asian in south Italy, but these components exist in almost every European including northern ones.

Neolithic farmers came from west asia and this east_med components peaks among west asians and what makes you think this west asian component came with indo-europeans ? do you have a source for this ? I'm not trolling anyone here I have the right to express my opinions.

[Nassbean]

Mine is almost the same with hers, but I don't think it's from "ME ancestry". Mycenaeans already had components that are considered "ME" in today's definitions but in reality it's purely Ancient Greek. It's probably similar with OP's ancestry as well.

I don't understand your argument It's not because it was present among myceneans that it's not originally from the middle east. Don't forget that you share these component with middle easterners and both of you have high amount of it. It's not a coincidence if south-east europeans plot between europeans and west asians and also not a coincidence if jews in general are close to south italians and greeks

I'm suprised that you have more than my people

[Jana]

I don't understand your argument It's not because it was present among myceneans that it's not originally from the middle east. Don't forget that you share these component with middle easterners and both of you have high amount of it. It's not a coincidence if south-east europeans plot between europeans and west asians and also not a coincidence if jews in general are close to south italians and greeks

I'm suprised that you have more than my people

West Asian comes from North Caucasus and peaks there, it has absolutely nothing to do with middle east and it is invader component there. Stop trolling.
ME ancestry means Arab, Saracen, Jew ancestry, not Anatolian neolithic farmer which is as European component as steppe or WHG.

Deal with it OWD.

[Nassbean]

double

[Samnium]

I don't understand your argument It's not because it was present among myceneans that it's not originally from the middle east. Don't forget that you share these component with middle easterners and both of you have high amount of it. It's not a coincidence if south-east europeans plot between europeans and west asians and also not a coincidence if jews in general are close to south italians and greeks

I'm suprised that you have more than my people

They may have more "West Asian" but they have a lot more ancient European components (logic) and they lack SSA, two worlds apart

Jews are in their own cluster from what I've seen, close to Greeks and South Italians but rarely those two overlap because West. Jews (I don't speak about the most outlying like NA Jews) have very high "East Med".

[Jana]

They may have more "West Asian" but they have a lot more ancient European components (logic) and they lack SSA, two worlds apart

Jews are in their own cluster from what I've seen, close to Greeks and South Italians but rarely those two overlap because West. Jews (I don't speak about the most outlying like NA Jews) have very high "East Med".

''West Asian'' on gedmatch is a ancient European component for God's sake. It was absent in neolithic farmers and first time arrived with steppe invaders.
Yamnaya was half west asian/chg

Were Proto Indo Europeans half middle eastern? :laugh:

Steppe component is mix of EHG with CHG (''west asian'') and minor farmer.

[Nassbean]

West Asian comes from North Caucasus and peaks there, it has absolutely nothing to do with middle east and it is invader component there. Stop trolling.
ME ancestry means Arab, Saracen, Jew ancestry, not Anatolian neolithic farmer which is as European component as steppe or WHG.

Deal with it OWD.

since when are caucasians europeans ? This east_med component is also higher in west asia than south europe. Also neolithic farmers came from as you say "anatolia" so it's not an indigenous european component. I didn't even speak about them btw but ok.


And why are you saying "OWD" I was talking about the ME components not the north african ones and saying My people has less ME ancestry doesn't mean I'm trying to whitewash my people I'm just stating facts based on what I saw.

[Nassbean]

They may have more "West Asian" but they have a lot more ancient European components (logic) and they lack SSA, two worlds apart

Jews are in their own cluster from what I've seen, close to Greeks and South Italians but rarely those two overlap because West. Jews (I don't speak about the most outlying like NA Jews) have very high "East Med".


It speaks for itself :

https://i.imgur.com/SDPWXa8.png

[Nassbean]

reality is that west asia and southern europe form the same cluster :

https://i.imgur.com/un3Dhfm.png

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm suprised that you have more than my people

More EastMed+WestAsian+Redsea than Moroccans?

[Nassbean]

More EastMed+WestAsian+Redsea than Moroccans?

more east med and west asian but maghrebis have more redsea but if we combined the three then she has more than us

[Rgvgjhvv]

more east med and west asian but maghrebis have more redsea but if we combined the three then she has more than us

Doesn't that prove it can't be analyzed as ME ancestry then? :lol:

[Nassbean]

Doesn't that prove it can't be analyzed as ME ancestry then? :lol:

?? since when are maghrebis MEs ?

[Jana]

reality is that west asia and southern europe form the same cluster :

https://i.imgur.com/un3Dhfm.png

No they don't. Keep trying Moor.

[Jana]

since when are caucasians europeans ? This east_med component is also higher in west asia than south europe. Also neolithic farmers came from as you say "anatolia" so it's not an indigenous european component. I didn't even speak about them btw but ok.


And why are you saying "OWD" I was talking about the ME components not the north african ones and saying My people has less ME ancestry doesn't mean I'm trying to whitewash my people I'm just stating facts based on what I saw.

North Caucasians are not middle easterners and close to your people, and btw North Caucasus is geographically in Europe.
Ofcourse farmer is native European component if it is there since neolithic and makes 30-35% of genes even in northern Europeans.

By your logic, you are not even native to north Africa since you have lot more other ancestry from asia and europe except native African HG.

Troll.

[Jana]

It speaks for itself :

https://i.imgur.com/SDPWXa8.png

Not close, horrible distances and that is why it is not in green color (green color are close distances)
You should be permabanned from this site, just another complexed non white trying to drag southern Europeans in your brown company.

[Nassbean]

No they don't. Keep trying Moor.

lmao I've less ME ancestry than south-east europeans what a strange world we live in

[Nassbean]

North Caucasians are not middle easterners and close to your people, and btw North Caucasus is geographically in Europe.
Ofcourse farmer is native European component if it is there since neolithic and makes 30-35% of genes even in northern Europeans.

By your logic, you are not even native to north Africa since you have lot more other ancestry from asia and europe except native African HG.

Troll.

why do you speak about my people ? We're not middle easterners focus on west asia pls. Also if the anatolian farmer component is european then I'm mostly european lol but I doubt this east_med component here is entirely coming from those farmers stop deviating she has far more east_med and west asian than me.

I don't know why it upset you I'm not even ME lol

[Nassbean]

Not close, horrible distances and that is why it is not in green color (green color are close distances)
You should be permabanned from this site, just another complexed non white trying to drag southern Europeans in your brown company.

haha you really have a problem even when evidence are put in front of your face you deny them. I can't do much with such a dishonest person Believe what you want.

Also green color or not it doesn't change the fact that they are closer to MEs than germans or french people :thumb001:

There is no brown company I'm less ME shifted than south-east europeans and I'm from the other side of the Med area

[Jana]

lmao I've less ME ancestry than south-east europeans what a strange world we live in

You are MENA, so you are already 100% one. I am south east European and I assure you I have nothing to do with your brown world.

[Jana]

haha you really have a problem even when evidence are put in front of your face you deny them. I can't do much with such a dishonest person Believe what you want.

Also green color or not it doesn't change the fact that they are closer to MEs than germans or french people :thumb001:

There is no brown company I'm less ME shifted than south-east europeans and I'm from the other side of the Med area

Are you close to Nigerians or something? Does that makes you non African? Fuck off.
South Italians are not clustering with Lebanese or Arabs no matter hard how you would want it to make it true and they are as European as Finns or Germans.

European means native of Europe. Europe has diversity, although far less than Africa hehehe.

Piss of from this forum.

[TheLigurian]

lmao I've less ME ancestry than south-east europeans what a strange world we live in

You are MENA already, genius.

[TheLigurian]

I can't believe what some niggers say in this forum.

[Nassbean]

You are MENA, so you are already 100% one. I am south east European and I assure you I have nothing to do with your brown world.

MENA is a geopolitical term it has no genetic reality. Moreover you're "south-east european" only because you live there but reality is that you probably have decent amount of central european and slavic admixture while sicilians and greeks have way lower amount. Genetically they are closer to levantines than french or german people.

I'm not even levantine so I have no agenda I don't see the purpose to lie in this case I'm just stating a fact.

[Nassbean]

Are you close to Nigerians or something? Does that makes you non African? Fuck off.
South Italians are not clustering with Lebanese or Arabs no matter hard how you would want it to make it true and they are as European as Finns or Germans.

European means native of Europe. Europe has diversity, although far less than Africa hehehe.

Piss of from this forum.

Sicilians are closer to levantines than french or german people you can't deny it let's post it again :

https://i.imgur.com/SDPWXa8.png

https://media.giphy.com/media/I4Jmrcjnr8Zfq/source.gif

[Leto]

Nassbean, don't ruin someone else's thread please.

[Nassbean]

You are MENA already, genius.

Wtf ? since when is north africa part of the middle east ? I'm strictly talking about MEs here I never said south-east europeans were closer to us. Genius.

[Nassbean]

Nassbean, don't ruin someone else's thread please.

it's me who ruined it ? I can't even say that they have a big ME component ? Why is it forbidden ?

[Nassbean]

But, do tell us are you Moroccan, or Berber? Because if so please keep your posts clear. Let's assume you are both or either, what makes you such an expert on Italian genetics?

Moroccans are berbers :picard2: And where did I say I was an expert on italian genetics ? I just made a comment about her results and a bunch of triggered people harassed me

[Nassbean]

Them being closer to Levantines means nothing. Could be Phoenician as someone pointed out. If they clustered with Iraqis then sure question it.

Also, where do Moroccans cluster? In the same time, Moroccans could be closer to the Moors than Iberians. I mean, Moor admixture in Morocco exceeds that than what Iberian admixture would.

wtf are you talking about ?? You're probably another troll account

[Leto]

MENA stands for Middle eastern (and) North African. Usually people mean the Arab world when they say MENA, although Iran isn't part of it, neither is Turkey. On the other hand, Morocco is part of the Arab world.

[Nassbean]

MENA stands for Middle eastern (and) North African. Usually people mean the Arab world when they say MENA, although Iran isn't part of it, neither is Turkey. On the other hand, Morocco is part of the Arab world.

and I never said she had a huge mena component ...I said strictly ME and as I've said earlier "MENA" has not genetic reality

[Leto]

and I never said she had a huge mena component ...I said strictly ME and as I've said earlier "MENA" has not genetic reality
I think there are certain shared elements between Iraq and Morocco.

[Nassbean]

I think there are certain shared elements between Iraq and Morocco.

that means nothing there are also shared elements with europeans

[Nassbean]

double

[Samnium]

Southern Italians are apart from the "MENA" world and not even all S.Italians are southern shifted like your samples, some of them even plot in Central Italy.

I'm partially S.Italian and I'm not ashamed by that, however yourself seem quite complexed and want to be closer to europeans...

[Mingle]

East med + west asian + red sea

You can't assign ancient components like those to strictly either Europe or West Asia because they predate the existence of the modern clusters. They're found all over Europe and West Asia today and this has been the case for thousands of years now.

If we take your logic to the next level, we can say that all Europeans are West Asians since the oldest Caucasoid components originated in the Caucasus (before splitting off into the Neolithic components). We can also say North Africans are Asians/Middle Easterners since your components are all from Asia if we go back far enough.

[Nassbean]

You can't assign ancient components like those to strictly either Europe or West Asia because they predate the existence of the modern clusters. They're found all over Europe and West Asia today and this has been the case for thousands of years now.

If we take your logic to the next level, we can say that all Europeans are West Asians since the oldest Caucasoid components originated in the Caucasus (before splitting off into the Neolithic components). We can also say North Africans are Asians/Middle Easterners since your components are all from Asia if we go back far enough.

it's not about the component itself but about proportions ...It's like if I was seeing a moroccan man with 40% west_med that would be really surprising even though I already know that all moroccans have this component

[Nassbean]

I'm partially S.Italian and I'm not ashamed by that, however yourself seem quite complexed and want to be closer to europeans...

That doesn't make any sense because I'm not levantine I've already posted my distances and I'm closer to MEs than south europeans so again stop with this stupid argument

[yamagi]

Southern Italians are apart from the "MENA" world and not even all S.Italians are southern shifted like your samples, some of them even plot in Central Italy.

I'm partially S.Italian and I'm not ashamed by that, however yourself seem quite complexed and want to be closer to europeans...

Culturally and genetically vise Marseille and Paris is more a part of the MENA world than any parts of Italy, maybe the exception of Lampedusa.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I never said jews are fully europeans I always said they are half european in general ...I mean being half middle eastern for a south european that's crazy

it s prehistoric. on some gedmatch calculators i get german and druze...

[Abdelnour]

Nice results and welcome back

[Leto]

Your East Med is high in enough IMO

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.49
2 North_Atlantic 20.08
3 West_Med 19.4
4 West_Asian 12.37
5 Baltic 8.57
6 Red_Sea 5.08
7 Oceanian 0.46
8 Siberian 0.41
9 East_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 5.3
2 Ashkenazi 5.33
3 South_Italian 5.66
4 West_Sicilian 5.67
5 Central_Greek 5.85
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.01
7 Italian_Jewish 8.47
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.66
9 Greek_Thessaly 10.02
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.07
11 Tuscan 11.09
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.95
14 Cyprian 16.74
15 North_Italian 17.64
16 Bulgarian 18.21
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.99
18 Romanian 20.01
19 Syrian 21.28
20 Turkish 21.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Tuscan + 32.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.95
2 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.08
3 53.9% Ashkenazi + 46.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.73
4 58.6% Lebanese_Druze + 41.4% Southwest_French @ 2.87
5 71.3% Italian_Jewish + 28.7% Romanian @ 2.88
6 80.5% Italian_Jewish + 19.5% Austrian @ 2.89
7 79.8% Italian_Jewish + 20.2% Hungarian @ 2.92
8 74.9% Italian_Jewish + 25.1% Serbian @ 2.94
9 81.7% Italian_Jewish + 18.3% East_German @ 3.02
10 60.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.1
11 69.6% Italian_Jewish + 30.4% Bulgarian @ 3.19
12 83.4% Italian_Jewish + 16.6% North_German @ 3.25
13 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% North_Swedish @ 3.25
14 71.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 28.9% Romanian @ 3.26
15 84.8% Italian_Jewish + 15.2% Swedish @ 3.27
16 69% Tuscan + 31% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
17 74.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 25.3% Serbian @ 3.3
18 83.7% Italian_Jewish + 16.3% South_Polish @ 3.34
19 69.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.9% Bulgarian @ 3.35
20 83.2% West_Sicilian + 16.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.37
Distance to: CLB
4.84963916 Molise
4.86686758 Campania
4.98351282 Abruzzo
5.52092384 Apulia
5.52763964 Basilicata
5.79820662 Malta
5.99282905 East_Sicilian
6.01072375 Ashkenazi
6.25400672 Sicily
6.40932134 Calabria
6.41491231 West_Sicilian
6.42776789 Greek_Andros_Island
6.74854058 Central_Greek
9.57290969 Italian_Jewish
9.73052414 Sephardic_Jewish
9.96470772 Moroccan_Jew
10.02615081 GR_Peloponese
10.14215460 Greek_Symi_Island
10.30883117 Greek_Western-Thrace
10.49275941 Marche

Target: CLB
Distance: 2.3887% / 2.38869355 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 Abruzzo
28.0 Ashkenazi
15.2 Italian_Jewish
2.0 Lebanese_Druze
1.8 Southeast_English

Target: CLB
Distance: 1.2217% / 1.22172684
32.6 Lebanese_Druze
19.4 Lombardy
16.6 Swiss_Italian
14.6 Italian_Jewish
7.4 Greek_Western-Thrace
5.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
3.8 Molise
0.2 Sardinia
0.2 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central

[Kenshiro]

Your East Med is high in enough IMO

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 33.49
2 North_Atlantic 20.08
3 West_Med 19.4
4 West_Asian 12.37
5 Baltic 8.57
6 Red_Sea 5.08
7 Oceanian 0.46
8 Siberian 0.41
9 East_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 5.3
2 Ashkenazi 5.33
3 South_Italian 5.66
4 West_Sicilian 5.67
5 Central_Greek 5.85
6 Italian_Abruzzo 6.01
7 Italian_Jewish 8.47
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.66
9 Greek_Thessaly 10.02
10 Algerian_Jewish 10.07
11 Tuscan 11.09
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.95
14 Cyprian 16.74
15 North_Italian 17.64
16 Bulgarian 18.21
17 Lebanese_Muslim 19.99
18 Romanian 20.01
19 Syrian 21.28
20 Turkish 21.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Tuscan + 32.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.95
2 56.5% North_Italian + 43.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.08
3 53.9% Ashkenazi + 46.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.73
4 58.6% Lebanese_Druze + 41.4% Southwest_French @ 2.87
5 71.3% Italian_Jewish + 28.7% Romanian @ 2.88
6 80.5% Italian_Jewish + 19.5% Austrian @ 2.89
7 79.8% Italian_Jewish + 20.2% Hungarian @ 2.92
8 74.9% Italian_Jewish + 25.1% Serbian @ 2.94
9 81.7% Italian_Jewish + 18.3% East_German @ 3.02
10 60.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.1
11 69.6% Italian_Jewish + 30.4% Bulgarian @ 3.19
12 83.4% Italian_Jewish + 16.6% North_German @ 3.25
13 85.1% Italian_Jewish + 14.9% North_Swedish @ 3.25
14 71.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 28.9% Romanian @ 3.26
15 84.8% Italian_Jewish + 15.2% Swedish @ 3.27
16 69% Tuscan + 31% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.27
17 74.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 25.3% Serbian @ 3.3
18 83.7% Italian_Jewish + 16.3% South_Polish @ 3.34
19 69.1% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.9% Bulgarian @ 3.35
20 83.2% West_Sicilian + 16.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.37

Interesting, this is mine, i'm from Apulia too


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.42
2 West_Med 23.64
3 North_Atlantic 19.65
4 West_Asian 15.83
5 Baltic 11.17
6 South_Asian 1.35
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.81
9 Siberian 0.14
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.42
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.4
4 West_Sicilian 7.78
5 East_Sicilian 8.12
6 South_Italian 8.64
7 Tuscan 10.1
8 Ashkenazi 11.99
9 Bulgarian 14.37
10 North_Italian 14.67
11 Italian_Jewish 15.73
12 Algerian_Jewish 15.79
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.88
14 Romanian 16.23
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.07
16 Serbian 20.51
17 Libyan_Jewish 20.62
18 Cyprian 21.11
19 Turkish 22.13
20 Spanish_Extremadura 22.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.8% Central_Greek + 9.2% French_Basque @ 5.08
2 87.8% Central_Greek + 12.2% Southwest_French @ 5.09
3 78.2% Central_Greek + 21.8% North_Italian @ 5.15
4 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Romanian @ 5.15
5 85.6% Central_Greek + 14.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.17
6 66% South_Italian + 34% Bulgarian @ 5.17
7 86.1% Central_Greek + 13.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.17
8 86.4% Central_Greek + 13.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.18
9 87.6% Central_Greek + 12.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.19
10 82.1% South_Italian + 17.9% East_German @ 5.26
11 79% South_Italian + 21% Moldavian @ 5.27
12 87.2% Central_Greek + 12.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.29
13 88.4% Central_Greek + 11.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.3
14 80.9% South_Italian + 19.1% Croatian @ 5.32
15 81.1% South_Italian + 18.9% Austrian @ 5.38
16 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Hungarian @ 5.4
17 87% Central_Greek + 13% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.4
18 84.4% South_Italian + 15.6% Ukrainian @ 5.4
19 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% South_Polish @ 5.41
20 86.6% Central_Greek + 13.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.43

[xripkan]

Interesting, this is mine, i'm from Apulia too


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.42
2 West_Med 23.64
3 North_Atlantic 19.65
4 West_Asian 15.83
5 Baltic 11.17
6 South_Asian 1.35
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.81
9 Siberian 0.14
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.42
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.4
4 West_Sicilian 7.78
5 East_Sicilian 8.12
6 South_Italian 8.64
7 Tuscan 10.1
8 Ashkenazi 11.99
9 Bulgarian 14.37
10 North_Italian 14.67
11 Italian_Jewish 15.73
12 Algerian_Jewish 15.79
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.88
14 Romanian 16.23
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.07
16 Serbian 20.51
17 Libyan_Jewish 20.62
18 Cyprian 21.11
19 Turkish 22.13
20 Spanish_Extremadura 22.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.8% Central_Greek + 9.2% French_Basque @ 5.08
2 87.8% Central_Greek + 12.2% Southwest_French @ 5.09
3 78.2% Central_Greek + 21.8% North_Italian @ 5.15
4 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Romanian @ 5.15
5 85.6% Central_Greek + 14.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.17
6 66% South_Italian + 34% Bulgarian @ 5.17
7 86.1% Central_Greek + 13.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.17
8 86.4% Central_Greek + 13.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.18
9 87.6% Central_Greek + 12.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.19
10 82.1% South_Italian + 17.9% East_German @ 5.26
11 79% South_Italian + 21% Moldavian @ 5.27
12 87.2% Central_Greek + 12.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.29
13 88.4% Central_Greek + 11.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.3
14 80.9% South_Italian + 19.1% Croatian @ 5.32
15 81.1% South_Italian + 18.9% Austrian @ 5.38
16 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Hungarian @ 5.4
17 87% Central_Greek + 13% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.4
18 84.4% South_Italian + 15.6% Ukrainian @ 5.4
19 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% South_Polish @ 5.41
20 86.6% Central_Greek + 13.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.43

What place of Apulia are you from?

[Kenshiro]

What place of Apulia are you from?

Gargano, North East Apulia

[xripkan]

Gargano, North East Apulia

There are Arbreshe settlements there. It makes sense perfectly sense for your resuts since you are modelled as an Aegean/South Italian+ Albanian mix.

[Kenshiro]

There are Arbreshe settlements there. It makes sense perfectly sense for your resuts since you are modelled as an Aegean/South Italian+ Albanian mix.

Probable, there were also Slavic colonies in antiquity in fact, some countries have names that derive directly from the Slavic language
Example Peschici (Village near my Village)
Peschici is probably also of Slavic origin, in fact the Slavic root "pès" (or "pèsc") refers to sand, while the Slavic toponyms pjèskusa or Russian pèski describe sandy soil

[Voskos]

Probable, there were also Slavic colonies in antiquity in fact, some countries have names that derive directly from the Slavic language
Example Peschici (Village near my Village)
Peschici is probably also of Slavic origin, in fact the Slavic root "pès" (or "pèsc") refers to sand, while the Slavic toponyms pjèskusa or Russian pèski describe sandy soil


peshk is Albanian for fish .

[Kenshiro]

Probable, there were also Slavic colonies in antiquity in fact, some countries have names that derive directly from the Slavic language
Example Peschici (Village near my Village)
Peschici is probably also of Slavic origin, in fact the Slavic root "pès" (or "pèsc") refers to sand, while the Slavic toponyms pjèskusa or Russian pèski describe sandy soil


peshk is Albanian for fish .
I don't know, it seems the most accredited origin, the Slavic colonies are attested, called directly by the pope to defend the area from Saracen raids, certainly the Arbereshe were many more than the Slavs

[Voskos]

I don't know, it seems the most accredited origin, the Slavic colonies are attested, called directly by the pope to defend the area from Saracen raids, certainly the Arbereshe were many more than the Slavs

Interesting . Your results seem normal for your region to me anyway. I don't see any foreign influence tbh.

[Kenshiro]

Interesting . Your results seem normal for your region to me anyway. I don't see any foreign influence tbh.

Yes I am probably a mix of Italic-Latin/Illyrian-Thracian + Hellenic + something East European and something Caucasian probably always due to the Greco-Roman world, I think it's quite common in my area, for the history of my area of ​​origin it has a lot of sense, looking out geographically to the Balkans


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