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Lemminkäinen
05-21-2020, 10:11 AM
Finns can be found almost all levels of the hg i1, from the root the the specific Finnish branch. I found previously that also a Mesolithic sample from Gotland, Stora Förvar 11, belonged to I1, obviously near the root of living I1 men. Several Bronze Age samples belonged to I1 and also Landobard SZ45, who was Norwegian P109. The P109 is a parallel branch of the largest Finnish group. Unfortunately the Finnish soil is too acid and genetic material can survive here only 1000-1500 years. Bronze Age I1:

1 RISE175
- Sweden Abekas I
- Nordic-BA
- Barrow_1_grave_14:1
- 14C_date_3025BP
- AM00088 I1a2a1a1a2~ AMM445 I1a2a1a1a2~ CTS9191 I1a2a1a1a2~

2 RISE179
- Sweden Abekas I
- Nordic-LN
- Barrow_1_grave_S:1
- 14C_date_3556BP
- CTS3506 I1 Z2765 I1

3 RISE207
- Sweden Ängemöllan
- Nordic-BA Cranium_XII
- 14C_date_3130BP
- M450 I1 S109 I1

4 RISE210
- Sweden Ängemöllan
- Nordic-BA Cranium_VI
- 14C_date_3105BP
- CTS1755^ I1 Z2750^ I1 CTS4400 I1 Z2775 I1 CTS5167 I1 Z2784 I1 CTS6765 I1 Z2806 I1 CTS11036 I1 Z2863 I1 CTS733 I1 Z2703 I1 FGC2439 I1 Z2711 I1

5 oll009
- Sweden Öllsjö
- Megalithic
- 1930-1750BCE
- V1614 I1a~ Z2891 I1a~

But what about the Finnish I1? It is represented almost in all I1 branches from the top:

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22-y3549.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22-y3549-cts6868.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22-y3549-cts6868-z74.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22-y3549-cts6868-z74-cts2208.png

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/kuvat/i1-df29-y2592-z2336-z2337-s6346-l22-y3549-cts6868-z74-cts2208-cts7676-l287-ll258.png

RenaRyuguu
09-18-2021, 11:19 PM
My maternal uncle got I-P109 on livingdna...I don't know if that's it but idk what to make of it nothing much

RenaRyuguu
09-18-2021, 11:29 PM
https://i.imgur.com/nVhkczR.png

https://i.imgur.com/BAl2lJG.png

Here is info about it from livingdna:

Most frequently found in the northerly regions of Scandinavia and Finland.

Your fatherline signature belongs to the I-L22 group.

I-L22 is a branch of the I1 fatherline, which is amongst the oldest of the major European haplogroups to be present on the continent today (Lappalainen et al. 2009). Some of the first humans who colonised Europe 45,000 years ago would have carried the basal I fatherline, with I1 arising around 27,000 years ago (Hay 2017). It appears that I1 increased in prevalence during the Neolithic (New Stone Age) when migrant farmers from the Middle East intermixed with the older European hunter-gatherers as they migrated northwards and westwards (Lappalainen et al. 2009).

I1 is particularly common in Northern Europe - I-L22 is most frequently found in Finland, Sweden, and Norway (Hay 2017). This northern cluster of I1 fatherlines probably arose during the Bronze Age, where a people known to archaeologists as the ‘Battle-Axe Culture’ lived in Scandinavia (Hay 2017). The far north location of much of the I-L22 fatherline today has been hypothesised to be linked to the Indo-European expansion into Europe at around this time (Hay 2017). These new peoples who migrated from the Eurasian steppe into Europe may have prompted a northerly migration by the Bronze Age Scandinavians, where they reverted from a farming lifestyle back to a semi-nomadic pastoral existence, with more emphasis placed again on hunting and gathering (Neuvonen et al. 2015).

Lemminkäinen
09-19-2021, 07:07 AM
The origin of the North European I1 is still unknown and only speculated, but the P109 all over Europe is very likely a result of the Germanic colonization from Scandinavia.