wtf how can they almost fully european ??

[Nassbean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5c1p6aC0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2YMrqxabGuIiV6DIJLwBIkPY4S7nSHY90nXW0ov xeU3AzPIv_J9BDa0vs


How can they be almost fully european* (sorry I tend to always forget to write some words)

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[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Garbage test.

[Daniel123]

how can you be surprised many italians are very dark ancestors came from anatolia

[Nassbean]

Garbage test.

maybe but why they all show that they are almost fully european that's really weird

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

maybe but why they all show that they are almost fully european that's really weird

It's weird, but the media might be doing some sort of sensationalism or the whole story must be fake. I don't believe in these genetic tests anyways.

[Lucas]

Btw this geneticist from the movie (5:30) is so long headed that he looks like artificially deformed.

[mitalit]

maybe but why they all show that they are almost fully european that's really weird

They are more "European" than many Europeans. I would not say almost i would say full.

[Nassbean]

They are more "European" than many Europeans. I would not say almost i would say full.

yes but they don't look european they look like they have amerindian or black ancestors what do you think ?

[mitalit]

yes but they don't look european they look like they have amerindian or black ancestors what do you think ?
True,
It is rare, but apparently not impossible. (I would never guess that they are completely European )

[gixajo]

According to this, 23AndMe was the worst company and their results were less consistent.

Anyway, his features seem not to agree with their results, they appear to have quite an asian mix.

There are some political sectors that do not consider genetic tests to be politicaly correct. Could be simply a propaganda video against them by showing how wrong they are?

[MinervaItalica]

Americans and their obsession over DNA tests...

[Nassbean]

Americans and their obsession over DNA tests...

I can agree on this but I wonder why someone like you didn't try it

[MinervaItalica]

I can agree on this but I wonder why someone like you didn't try it

I'm not interested, waste of money, resource and time. I leave that to mixed people.

[PaleoEuropean]

I'm not interested, waste of money, resource and time. I leave that to mixed people.

Sounds like projection. Maybe you are scared of the results?

[MinervaItalica]

Sounds like projection. Maybe you are scared of the results?

I don't waste money like that also i'm pretty sure i'll score mostly Italian so what's the point? I don't have parents/ancestors from other countries. DNA tests are for American people or other countries with tons of different ethnicties.

Not to mention i would hardly trust a dna test that is sent to and received from another country.

[PaleoEuropean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5c1p6aC0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2YMrqxabGuIiV6DIJLwBIkPY4S7nSHY90nXW0ov xeU3AzPIv_J9BDa0vs


How can they be almost fully european* (sorry I tend to always forget to write some words)

go to 4:35 , 12:00, 5:00

What else are they supposed to be? They are just wogs. Like I said in an earlier post, the earlier twins split the more likely they are to have recombinated dna that explains their differences. Tests change because they change regions snps are associated with. Which is why gedmatch calculators never change and are consistent; because they never update their calcs.

[Luke35]

They caught my attention in the past, interesting look, I posted them for classification. They score the same amount of European as me.

I believe the test results are legit, and I think 23andMe is the best of the commercial companies.

We have seen pheno not meshing perfectly with ancestry results before, right here on the forum in fact.

[Luso]

Genetics don't always = pheno ... but it would be interesting to see their gedmatch.

[Luke35]

What else are they supposed to be? They are just wogs. Like I said in an earlier post, the earlier twins split the more likely they are to have recombinated dna that explains their differences. Tests change because they change regions snps are associated with. Which is why gedmatch calculators never change and are consistent; because they never update their calcs.

Yes.

And another thing, what if you or I did a second ancestry test with 23andMe, would it be identical to the first?

I can remember using Poi's G25 calculator before Vahaduo became well known. The way his calc worked, you could use the same populations and get slightly different results on each run. The algorithm would tweak this way and that, trying to find the best fit for you. Could that kind of thing also be at play with 23andMe's algorithm?

[PaleoEuropean]

Yes.

And another thing, what if you or I did a second ancestry test with 23andMe, would it be identical to the first?

I can remember using Poi's G25 calculator before Vahaduo became well known. The way his calc worked, you could use the same populations and get slightly different results on each run. The algorithm would tweak this way and that, trying to find the best fit for you. Could that kind of thing also be at play with 23andMe's algorithm?

I remember someone a long time ago said they did 2 different tests with the same company and got some very minor differences, like less than a percent; every estimate is just that so there will be some minor variance. Between my two major tests 23 and ancestry there is some difference, one picks up on western and one picks up on northern more; but the gedmatch results aren't really different; just different approximations. Every calculator like you said has it's guess work, that's why it's funny to see people think that ADNA has whole lot of stock or that being an expert in calculators really matters; in the end it's really subjective. It's like being an expert guesser at the end of the day Taxonomy is about as scientific as calculating. We still have a very basic understanding of ethno-gentics.

[Joso]

Genetics don't always = pheno ... but it would be interesting to see their gedmatch.

Genetics don't alway= True, also

[Ranger0075]

i only believe on gedmatch

[Luke35]

I remember someone a long time ago said they did 2 different tests with the same company and got some very minor differences, like less than a percent; every estimate is just that so there will be some minor variance. Between my two major tests 23 and ancestry there is some difference, one picks up on western and one picks up on northern more; but the gedmatch results aren't really different; just different approximations. Every calculator like you said has it's guess work, that's why it's funny to see people think that ADNA has whole lot of stock or that being an expert in calculators really matters; in the end it's really subjective. It's like being an expert guesser at the end of the day Taxonomy is about as scientific as calculating. We still have a very basic understanding of ethno-gentics.

And I would add that although the twins got somewhat different estimates, the gist of their estimates were the same. A mix of Southern and Eastern European, for the most part.

[PaleoEuropean]

And I would add that although the twins got somewhat different estimates, the gist of their estimates were the same. A mix of Southern and Eastern European, for the most part.

Yea Northern Italy and Southern Italy aren't as different as people like to think, only places with historic Muslim populations in the South are really different also Greek in the South mixes that up a bit. Latin is Latin; most Italians are mixed with other regions. The only really unique population is probably Sardinia because it's isolated from the mainland and Corsica if you still count it as Italian still. You can find Italians in the South that aren't unique; not every Southern Italian has readable amount of Arab/NA or Greek. That one guy who is supposedly an expert should know that, calculators don't also only use a singular snp like he said, they use markers together to formulate a region. If you have 1 ashkenazi marker, 1 german marker and 2 Italian markers it's going to lump you into the south probably or Eastern Europe.

[Daniel123]

Sounds like projection. Maybe you are scared of the results?

80% italian %10 French and german %5 greek 5% west asian (OH NO!!!!!!!)

[XenophobicPrussian]

Lmao, what's all the commotion about? They look like what they are, just a bit tanned.

and yes, DNA testing companies are garbage, their only purpose is to get your raw data and analyze it yourself with ancients.

[gültekin]

put all the mishmash in one bag then call it;
"reference population"
hehe, this is the way of game.

then you have this tunisians who think they are some half sardinian +italian :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vlNBYVj4wg

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Some sort of a weird throwback gene.

[Nassbean]

Lmao, what's all the commotion about? They look like what they are, just a bit tanned.

and yes, DNA testing companies are garbage, their only purpose is to get your raw data and analyze it yourself with ancients.

I disagree ..before watching the video I thought they were some kind of mixed latinas. They also look a bit polynesian to me

[PaleoEuropean]

Lmao, what's all the commotion about? They look like what they are, just a bit tanned.

and yes, DNA testing companies are garbage, their only purpose is to get your raw data and analyze it yourself with ancients.

They really aren't anything special, they just have a word mix of stuff. I have seen Italians that look like them; they look a little more slav influenced though.

[dududud]

Gedmatch + global 25

Caucasus farmer + iran farmer + levant neolithic = can give wog facial features, in general.

[yamagi]

Gedmatch + global 25

Caucasus farmer + iran farmer + levant neolithic = can give wog facial features, in general.

+ Anatolian farmer as well, that's why many Sardinians are wog af.

[yamagi]

Gedmatch + global 25

Caucasus farmer + iran farmer + levant neolithic = can give wog facial features, in general.

+ Anatolian farmer as well, that's why many Sardinians are wog af.

[Avgvstvs]

Nassbean,why this obsession with southern europeans?

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[Nassbean]

Nassbean,why this obsession with southern europeans?

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they are mostly east european and there is no mention of their actual ancestry on the title of the video. I can't post anything here without being labelled as "obsessed" "insecure" "troll" :picard2:

[Rgvgjhvv]

True

[Aldaris]

they are mostly east european and there is no mention of their actual ancestry on the title of the video. I can't post anything here without being labelled as "obsessed" "insecure" "troll" :picard2:

:(

Poor Naz.

[Teutonski]

Phenotypes dont reflect genetics

Again, Mats Hummels will be ultra NW European genetically without looking like it.

All you Anthroguys wasted time.

[Luso]

Phenotypes dont reflect genetics

Again, Mats Hummels will be ultra NW European genetically without looking like it.

All you Anthroguys wasted time.

He is one good looking NW European too (No homo)! He doesn't have to have super light hair and blue eyes to be NW euro genetically! So good point.

[zebruh]

Ancient meds probably looked like these girls. Like hittites

[Flashball]

Phenotypes dont reflect genetics

Again, Mats Hummels will be ultra NW European genetically without looking like it.

All you Anthroguys wasted time.

Traits reflect genetics and your ancestral contributions (example, Ashkenazi Jews have Caucasus and Iran farmer + European ancestral contributions, and we always find phenotypes related to their ancestral contribution: a totally European phenotype, a hybrid phenotype, a totally oriental phenotype, totally logic with their ancestral contribution), but they also reflect what your parents looked like.

The Sami look like what they are (some look fully European, some look like just hybrids, others just "Siberian"), because they have their ancestral contribution. Their differents appearance is therefore linked to their ancestral contribution. Nothing surprising!

So this is more complex than simply denying that ancestral and recent contributions make your facial features.

[Luso]

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