What's the best tool in Gedmatch to detect SSA %?

[Mixdguy17]

Also what is the best DNA company that is the most accurate with the SSA estimations?

[Ion Basescul]

PuntDNAL K13, which is made by a black guy. I suggest focusing only on the "West Africa" component, as the rest of the African signals are probably noise in your case, considering that people of your ancestry were only influenced by West African ancestry.

[Mixdguy17]

PuntDNAL K13, which is made by a black guy. I suggest focusing only on the "West Africa" component, as the rest of the African signals are probably noise in your case, considering that people of your ancestry were only influenced by West African ancestry.

Thanks man, gonna give them a try!

[Leto]

Dodecad World9 and MDLP World are not bad.

[Mixdguy17]

PuntDNAL K13, which is made by a black guy. I suggest focusing only on the "West Africa" component, as the rest of the African signals are probably noise in your case, considering that people of your ancestry were only influenced by West African ancestry.

Seems pretty accurate! thanks man. k12 gives me 11% and K13 gives me 9.7 west african and 2.6% East african giving me 12.3, so One thing is sure, I am 1/8 SSA :). Pretty cool! U got any other suggestions ?

[Abdelnour]

MDLP World.

[Mixdguy17]

Dodecad World9 and MDLP World are not bad.

Thanks man! I'll give them a try!

[Mixdguy17]

MDLP World.

22 or general ?

[Ion Basescul]

Seems pretty accurate! thanks man. k12 gives me 11% and K13 gives me 9.7 west african and 2.6% East african giving me 12.3, so One thing is sure, I am 1/8 SSA :). Pretty cool! U got any other suggestions ?

Well if you want to eliminate as much noise as possible then the next step would be Global 25 (the one based on coordinates from Davidski, not on GEDmatch coordinates). I suggest a model with Amerindians, Spaniards, Italians and Yoruba. You could pop in a Sephardi too, as many Spaniards who colonised the New World might have had some Sephardi. (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/dna-reveals-the-hidden-jewish-ancestry-of-latin-americans/578509/)

[Leto]

22 or general ?
Not 22, just World.

[Mixdguy17]

Well if you want to eliminate as much noise as possible then the next step would be Global 25 (the one based on coordinates from Davidski, not on GEDmatch coordinates). I suggest a model with Amerindians, Spaniards, Italians and Yoruba. You could pop in a Sephardi too, as many Spaniards who colonised the New World might have had some Sephardi. (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/dna-reveals-the-hidden-jewish-ancestry-of-latin-americans/578509/)

Yeah definitely! As soon as I have 12 bucks I'll Buy it but I think it's likely I'ts what 23andMe predicted 1/8 Native, 1/8 SSA :)

[Mixdguy17]

Not 22, just World.

Yep, lines up with the rest of the results! :thumb001:

[Leto]

If you are majority Spanish, then some of the African might be from Spain, not directly from Africa and not literally Sub-Saharan. So I would weigh the Gedmatch scores against those from 23andme.

[Mixdguy17]

If you are majority Spanish, then some of the African might be from Spain, not directly from Africa and not literally Sub-Saharan. So I would weigh the Gedmatch scores against those from 23andme.

Do u mean North African ?

[PaleoEuropean]

Thanks man, gonna give them a try!

It won't work well, those specialty calculators even ones like k15 aren't accurate unless you are from a certain demographic. If you wan't semi accurate results I would go with Dodecad or MDLP because they are meant for a wider demographic, but the numbers are always gonna be off.

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Nobody wants to have Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

I wonder why...

[Mixdguy17]

Nobody wants to have Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

I wonder why...

What are u talking about dude ?

[Mixdguy17]

It won't work well, those specialty calculators even ones like k15 aren't accurate unless you are from a certain demographic. If you wan't semi accurate results I would go with Dodecad or MDLP because they are meant for a wider demographic, but the numbers are always gonna be off.

Damn, well at least all put me in the same range as in 23 and me, so i guess is for the most part mostly accurate, at least I am now I am at least 1/8 :), good to see that the Amerindian is also constant :thumb001:

[Chris596]

Are you sure PuntDNAL K13 is accurate? I get 1.09 South African and 0.07 West African there. Or I have unknown black ancestry?..

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

What are u talking about dude ?

Low intelligence, distorted self-image, high levels of testosterone, and delayed gratification.

[Mixdguy17]

Low intelligence, distorted self-image, high levels of testosterone, and delayed gratification.

Lol, u came up with all that on your own?, good one buddy :picard2:. Speak for yourself please

[Leto]

Do u mean North African ?
Ibero-Maurusian is said to be misread as SSA by Gedmatch calcs.

[Mixdguy17]

Are you sure PuntDNAL K13 is accurate? I get 1.09 South African and 0.07 West African there. Or I have unknown black ancestry?..

Let me check as well, for u is most likely noise though man. I'll let u know what I get.

[Leto]

Are you sure PuntDNAL K13 is accurate? I get 1.09 South African and 0.07 West African there. Or I have unknown black ancestry?..
You don't. That is noise. Punt is generally quite noisy because it was designed for Africans.

[Mixdguy17]

Ibero-Maurusian is said to be misread as SSA by Gedmatch calcs.

Ohhh yeah I've heard of that, hopefully it divides it well I hope at least, but yeah usually Iberian blood comes with a little North African due to the Moor Invasion, thankfully 23andMe divides that well, I wonder if AncestryDNA does a good job as well.

[Mixdguy17]

Are you sure PuntDNAL K13 is accurate? I get 1.09 South African and 0.07 West African there. Or I have unknown black ancestry?..

I get 9.79 Pct West African, 2.67 Pct East African and 0.35 Pct South African :). It's most likely noise for u man

[Mixdguy17]

Double

[Chris596]

You don't. That is noise. Punt is generally quite noisy because it was designed for Africans.

Yes but the mixed mode populations sharing is surprisingly accurate in my case, for example:

96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Naxi @ 2.42
96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Xibo @ 2.44
96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Han_North_China @ 2.47
96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Korean @ 2.48

Mixdguy17 what are some of your matches in PuntDNAL K13 at Mixed Mode Population Sharing ? I think that can tell the most about you, like in my case.

[Mixdguy17]

Yes but the mixed mode populations sharing is surprisingly accurate in my case, for example:

96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Naxi @ 2.42
96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Xibo @ 2.44
96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Han_North_China @ 2.47
96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Korean @ 2.48

Mixdguy17 what are some of your matches in PuntDNAL K13 at Mixed Mode Population Sharing ? I think that can tell the most about you, like in my case.

Hold up, let me check and I'll post them for u man :thumb001:

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Lol, u came up with all that on your own?, good one buddy :picard2:. Speak for yourself please

Do a research, mixed-breed.

[Mixdguy17]

Do a research, mixed-breed.

Lmao u good dude?, these demeanor u say these thing show some kind of insecurity, why are u trying to feel above certain type of people? did your parents love u enough, did u get rejected by a mixed girl in middle school? whatever it is fix it for your mental health brother :thumb001:

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Lmao u good dude?, these kind of words say u show some kind of weird insecurity, why are u trying to feel above certain type of people? did your parents love u enough, did u get rejected by a mixed girl in middle school? whatever it is fix it for your mental health brother :thumb001:

Stating facts is different from needing attention or feeling superior to someone. You act emotional, I act according to logic.

[Mixdguy17]

Stating facts is different from needing attention or feeling superior to someone. You act emotional, I act according to logic.

Sure buddy, logical... Good Luck with that man :thumb001:

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Sure buddy, logical... Good Luck with that man :thumb001:

No problem, politically correct scum.

[Leto]

Hey, why are you trolling the guy's thread? If you have no serious opinion or not interested, just don't comment at all!

[Mixdguy17]

No problem, politically correct scum.

Lol u claim to be all logical, and then go emotional, I guess u went down to my level huh? Fuck off racist douche bag xdxd

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Lol u claim to be all logical, and then go emotional, I guess u went down to my level huh? Fuck off racist dumb Idiot xdxd

I'm not emotional. I just said what you obviously are: a politically correct scum.

[Mixdguy17]

Hey, why are you trolling the guy's thread? If you have no serious opinion or not interested, just don't comment at all!

Worst part is he aint trolling, he really does think like these, I've seen so many comments of him like these all over the forum lol

[Mixdguy17]

I'm not emotional. I just said what you obviously are: a politically correct scum.

Oh then by that logic I also said what u are. A racist stupid douchebag lol.

Regards Buddy

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Oh then by that logic I also said what u are. A racist stupid douchebag lol.

Regards Buddy

Racist is a term that has many meanings, so you can describe what you mean and we'll discuss it. 'Stupid' is relative as 'douchebag', so there's no logical objectivity in your asserts.

[Leto]

I'm not emotional. I just said what you obviously are: a politically correct scum.
Even if he is liberal, you cannot force your own opinion on him. He doesn't dislike African Americans, you do. That's the difference.

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Even if he is liberal, you cannot force your own opinion on him. He doesn't dislike African Americans, you do. That's the difference.

I didn't force anything. I don't expect him to be intelligent enough to understand: he's not White.

[Mixdguy17]

Racist is a term that has many meanings, so you can describe what you mean and we'll discuss it. 'Stupid' is relative as 'douchebag', so there's no logical objectivity in your asserts.

Douchebag Meaning to that u are a dick, an asshole, a twat, a prick a jackass, but if u want to know more words to describe u, here's a list of synonyms for douchebag :) https://www.classicthesaurus.com/douchebag/synonyms
Stupid I meant u lack Intelligence, brainless, Ignorant, Foolish or however u want to describe it buddy, didnt relate it at all to the insult of "Douchebag" but they make a nice combination to describe u lol
By Racist I meant u think u have a prejudice against a race in this case to SSA people, u believe u are superior, either by appearance, intellect or capacities ( made very clear by your comments) but clearly I think u lack the brain cells to comprehend so I'll send u a Wikipedia article so u can understand what Racism is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Hope u have fun reading buddy :thumb001:

[Leto]

I didn't force anything. I don't expect him to be intelligent enough to understand: he's not White.
White blood makes up around 3/4 of his total makeup. He is not brown either in terms of skin color. If he mixes with a full white woman in 5-10 years, their offspring will be pretty white (over 85%).

[Mixdguy17]

Even if he is liberal, you cannot force your own opinion on him. He doesn't dislike African Americans, you do. That's the difference.

I am not even Liberal, I am a Centrist, he just thinks I am politically Correct cause I think every man is the same or created equal, bcs apparently on here that is politically correct.

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Douchebag Meaning to that u are a dick, an asshole, a twat, a prick a jackass, but if u want to know more words to describe u, here's a list of synonyms for douchebag :) https://www.classicthesaurus.com/douchebag/synonyms
Stupid I meant u lack Intelligence, brainless, Ignorant, Foolish or however u want to describe it buddy, didnt relate it at all to the insult of "Douchebag" but they make a nice combination to describe u lol
By Racist I meant u think u have a prejudice against a race in this case to SSA people, u believe u are superior, either by appearance, intellect or capacities ( made very clear by your comments) but clearly I think u lack the brain cells to comprehend so I'll send u a Wikipedia article so u can understand what Racism is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Hope u have fun reading buddy :thumb001:

Typical social justice warrior. Keep embarassing yourself.

I'm laughing...

[Mixdguy17]

I didn't force anything. I don't expect him to be intelligent enough to understand: he's not White.

Lol, I dont expect u to either, u are a racist, the group of people that lack the most brain cells that Ik of xdxd

[Chris596]

I didn't force anything. I don't expect him to be intelligent enough to understand: he's not White.

And what's wrong with that? People who have negroid, mongoloid, etc admixture should hide it or something?

[Mixdguy17]

Typical social justice warrior. Keep embarassing yourself.

I'm laughing...

The fact that u couldn't respond with a valid argument ( dont even know if u have good reading comprehension to read all I sent u) and the clear pettiness of your comment amuses me, apparently my adjectives described u to bone. Just say u are racist, u clearly seem fine with it, if the term bothers u then u know something is wrong with what u are saying. So far all the comments u have made line up with the definition perfectly lol

[Leto]

I am not even Liberal, I am a Centrist, he just thinks I am politically Correct cause I think every man is the same or created equal, bcs apparently on here that is politically correct.
Well, I personally don't believe we're all the same, I think racial and genetic differences do exist and different cultures/societies obviously produce a different outcome, so you cannot simply replace one group with another and expect that nothing will change. That idea is ludicrous to me. Thousands of years of separate development inevitably take their toll on humans.
However this is irrelevant to your question and I don't think it should be discussed right here.

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

A European cultural community filled with anti-White, politically correct scum.

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

A European cultural community filled with anti-White, politically correct scum.


Well, I personally don't believe we're all the same, I think racial and genetic differences do exist and different cultures/societies obviously produce a different outcome, so you cannot simply replace one group with another and expect that nothing will change. That idea is ludicrous to me. Thousands of years of separate development inevitably take their toll on humans.
However this is irrelevant to your question and I don't think it should be discussed right here.


You are right.

[Leto]

A European cultural community filled with anti-White, politically correct scum.
Listen, I'm strongly right-wing and religious conservative and yes, this forum does have many flaws but what is your problem with this particular thread and this particular user? Nothing is anti-white here, your comments are completely out of place.

[Mixdguy17]

Well, I personally don't believe we're all the same, I think racial and genetic differences do exist and different cultures/societies obviously produce a different outcome, so you cannot simply replace one group with another and expect that nothing will change. That idea is ludicrous to me. Thousands of years of separate development inevitably take their toll on humans.
However this is irrelevant to your question and I don't think it should be discussed right here.

When I mean the same I meant equivalent, as in worth the same and capable of the same things, the dignity and goodness is all tide to us regardless of our genetic material, sure some are stronger, skinnier or taller, but each group can have this, the appearance changed due to adapting to different climates and environment, but we are all the same species and regardless of apperances we are 98% identical regardless of race, our brains work and are capable of the same thing and we all have noses, eyes, mouths, hair and a heart that works the same way

[Mixdguy17]

A European cultural community filled with anti-White, politically correct scum.

Who even said I am anti white u dumb piece of shit? did u decode that with u your detective abilities? I love, celebrate and honor all parts of me EQUALLY, and once again I am not politically correct, u are just racist.

[Mixdguy17]

Listen, I'm strongly right-wing and religious conservative and yes, this forum does have many flaws but what is your problem with this particular thread and this particular user? Nothing is anti-white here, your comments are completely out of place.

Exactly they came out of nowhere and have nothing to do with the thread.

[Leto]

When I mean the same I meant equivalent, as in worth the same and capable of the same things, the dignity and goodness is all tide to us regardless of our genetic material, sure some are stronger, skinnier or taller, but each group can have this, the appearance changed due to adapting to different climates and environment, but we are all the same species and regardless of apperances we are 98% identical regardless of race, our brains work and are capable of the same thing and we all have noses, eyes, mouths, hair and a heart that works the same way
I believe average intelligence varies between different racial and ethnic groups. Some genes are less or more prevalent in one population than in the other.

[Mixdguy17]

I believe average intelligence varies between different racial and ethnic groups. Some genes are less or more prevalent in one population than in the other.

Intelligence can be both inherited but also developed, I dont think any racial group has a significant difference, whatever can affect that I am sure is due to both the environment they are raised in and the tools they are given in their developmental years and not really do to the racial origin of the individual. But at least I can have a decent conversation with u, and ik u are a decent person as well since u are a good memeber, I also think this doesn't belong here, and if anything it should be made into another thread to debate further.

[Mixdguy17]

Man this thread really got ruined by one asshole, it was supposed to be cool :/

[Pine]

You guys think I'm part black?

MDLP WORLD:

Population
Caucaus_Parsia 23.43 Pct
Middle_East 26.84 Pct
Indian 0.41 Pct
South_and_West_European 35.83 Pct
Melanesian 0.73 Pct
Sub_Saharian 1.35 Pct
North_and_East_European 9.05 Pct
Arctic_Amerind 0.26 Pct
East_Asian 1.26 Pct
Paleo_African -
Mesoamerican 0.28 Pct
North_Asian 0.54 Pct

[Leto]

You guys think I'm part black?

MDLP WORLD:

Population
Caucaus_Parsia 23.43 Pct
Middle_East 26.84 Pct
Indian 0.41 Pct
South_and_West_European 35.83 Pct
Melanesian 0.73 Pct
Sub_Saharian 1.35 Pct
North_and_East_European 9.05 Pct
Arctic_Amerind 0.26 Pct
East_Asian 1.26 Pct
Paleo_African -
Mesoamerican 0.28 Pct
North_Asian 0.54 Pct
I believe Jews do have traces of both Black and East Asian.

[Pine]

I believe Jews do have traces of both Black and East Asian.

The East Asian is known and part of it has been tracked down. As for the black, you don't think this is Gedmatch misreading North African?

[Leto]

The East Asian is known and part of it has been tracked down. As for the black, you don't think this is Gedmatch misreading North African?
Yes, it may as well be North African. However, some East African is present even in pure Levantines, so Jews may have a tiny amount of it too.

[Chris596]

Hold up, let me check and I'll post them for u man :thumb001:

So what are your results there? :D You haven't posted them yet. Or you can send me them in pm.

[Mixdguy17]

So what are your results there? :D You haven't posted them yet. Or you can send me them in pm.

Oh hey man! My bad I didn't see your comment brother!!! I think I commented on the thread man, it should around here lol

[Luso]

MDLP world gives me quite a bit:

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 48.46
2 North_and_East_European 25.44
3 Middle_East 14.06
4 Caucaus_Parsia 7.98
5 Sub_Saharian 2.39
6 North_Asian 0.62
7 Paleo_African 0.36
8 Mesoamerican 0.34
9 Melanesian 0.34

[Mixdguy17]

MDLP world gives me quite a bit:

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 48.46
2 North_and_East_European 25.44
3 Middle_East 14.06
4 Caucaus_Parsia 7.98
5 Sub_Saharian 2.39
6 North_Asian 0.62
7 Paleo_African 0.36
8 Mesoamerican 0.34
9 Melanesian 0.34

I get A little less than usual actually, thats weird
Population
Caucaus_Parsia 8.33 Pct
Middle_East 12.80 Pct
Indian 1.02 Pct
South_and_West_European 34.30 Pct
Melanesian -
Sub_Saharian 9.51 Pct
North_and_East_European 19.28 Pct
Arctic_Amerind 5.33 Pct
East_Asian -
Paleo_African 1.62 Pct
Mesoamerican 7.63 Pct
North_Asian 0.18 Pc

But I add it with the Paleo African and it sums up to my usual amount around 11%