Who'd pass better in Mediterranean Europe: blond English footballers or blond German footballers?

[Tooting Carmen]

In terms of facial traits, that is.

ENGLAND

Jordan Pickford
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Jordan_Pickford_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

Dean Henderson
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/DeanHenderson2018.jpg/800px-DeanHenderson2018.jpg

Jordan Henderson
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/FWC_2018_-_Round_of_16_-_COL_v_ENG_-_J_Henderson.jpg/800px-FWC_2018_-_Round_of_16_-_COL_v_ENG_-_J_Henderson.jpg

Harry Kane
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Harry_Kane_in_Russia_2.jpg

Eric Dier
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Eric_Dier_2018-06-28_1.jpg

James Ward-Prowse
https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/photos/players/250x250/p101178.png

GERMANY

Manuel Neuer
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M anuel_Neuer_850_0723.jpg/400px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M anuel_Neuer_850_0723.jpg

Marc-André ter Stegen
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Real_Valladolid_-_FC_Barcelona%2C_2018-08-25_%2879%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

Bernd Leno
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_B ernd_Leno_850_0646.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_B ernd_Leno_850_0646.jpg

Matthias Ginter
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg

Lukas Klostermann
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Rusu21vsGeru21_%288%29.jpg/190px-Rusu21vsGeru21_%288%29.jpg

Joshua Kimmich
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J oshua_Kimmich_850_0717.jpg/220px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J oshua_Kimmich_850_0717.jpg

Julian Brandt
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J ulian_Brandt_850_0710.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_J ulian_Brandt_850_0710.jpg

Timo Werner
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_T imo_Werner_850_0621.jpg

Marcel Halstenberg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/2019-03-30_Fu%C3%9Fball%2C_M%C3%A4nner%2C_1._Bundesliga%2C _RB_Leipzig_-_Hertha_BSC_StP_3787_LR10_by_Stepro_%28cropped%29. jpg/800px-2019-03-30_Fu%C3%9Fball%2C_M%C3%A4nner%2C_1._Bundesliga%2C _RB_Leipzig_-_Hertha_BSC_StP_3787_LR10_by_Stepro_%28cropped%29. jpg

Marco Reus
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M arco_Reus_850_0626.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M arco_Reus_850_0626.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

I can't even stretch my imagination enough to even pretend any of these people pass as Greek :lol:

[Tooting Carmen]

I can't even stretch my imagination enough to even pretend any of these people pass as Greek :lol:

Doesn't Timo Werner have a kind of Greek/Balkan-like face at least?

[Mr.G]

I can't even stretch my imagination enough to even pretend any of these people pass as Greek :lol:

Markos has spoken.

https://i.imgur.com/GmGlhbj.png

[Rgvgjhvv]

Doesn't Timo Werner have a kind of Greek/Balkan-like face at least?

I can't speak for Balkan countries but he doesn't pass as Greek. Too square-headed and features too strong, among other things. Maybe he can pass as Albanian.

[alnortedelsur]

Jordan Henderson (number 3) perhaps.

Overall, English footballers would have better chances to pass in southern Europe than Germans.

[Ranger0075]

Germans obviously
Visigoths and Suebes were Germanic folks on Iberia, Italians haver higher I1 haplogroups than other meds and Balkanics are simply much closer to German than UK, also they are connected by continental lands, differently from Brits.

[Ford]

Harry Kane looks like a depigmented Montenegrin, seriously.

[Gallop]

Perhaps we know how to put aside the somewhat more pronounced depigmentation and recognize aspects after all, the movements for Europe have not been parachuted. Nor is it something so exceptional to be more depigmented from the account.

[Tooting Carmen]

Jordan Henderson (number 3) perhaps.

Overall, English footballers would have better chances to pass in southern Europe than Germans.

Curiously, I find it is the opposite with the dark/brunette types from the two countries - dark Germans often look more 'truly Med' than do dark Brits. However, I agree that most blonde Germans look too robust and, well, Germanic to fit easily in Southern Europe, whereas blonde Brits have a slightly better chance due to having softer features usually. Nevertheless, those are just my subjective opinions. I am still interested to see what others say about this.

[Seya]

in general i'd say germans but all of those people look extremely foreign and specific for their regions

[Immanenz]

Imo Marco Reus is the only one i can see pass in a Med country (rather easily so)

[Seya]

Imo Marco Reus is the only one i can see pass in a Med country (rather easily so)

this one? :confused:
https://d1si3tbndbzwz9.cloudfront.net/soccer/player/3062/headshot.png

[Ylla]

Doesn't Timo Werner have a kind of Greek/Balkan-like face at least?

He could pass superficially I think Eric dier looks more familiar to me or maybe it's just that particular pic.

[Arsen_]

Both would not pass in equal measure. :)

[Immanenz]

this one? :confused:
https://d1si3tbndbzwz9.cloudfront.net/soccer/player/3062/headshot.png

yes, i think i ve seen Italians with a similar vibe.
I know a North Italian who looks like Kimmich, but North Italy is another story because the have a lot of Germanic input and Centraleuro looking people.

[TheMaestro]

Well, probably German, but none of those look southern Euro.

[aynora]

If I had to choose I would say the English players but not by far. Nevertheless these people hardly fit in Southern Europe

[The Blade]

They would fit about equally in Spain and Portugal based on what I've seen on this forum but in other parts of Southern Europe Germans pass way better, so I vote for them.

[CommonSense]

The English players look noticeably less exotic to me, so I'm voting for them.

[Benyzero]

Germans have more continental faces, english can be distinguished more likely.

[Teutone]

Doesn't Timo Werner have a kind of Greek/Balkan-like face at least?

Noone on this planet and even alot of forum users here can locate facial features to a region.

Its all about hair color and general pigmentation.

By that noone of them wouldn't look out of place in south Europe.

[Tooting Carmen]

Noone on this planet and even alot of forum users here can locate facial features to a region.

Its all about hair color and general pigmentation.

Sometimes, yes. However, George Osborne, Mark Rutte and Michael Ballack still look very NW Euro despite their dark hair; contrariwise, Ignacio Camacho, Iker Muniain, Adrian San Miguel del Castillo, Daniele de Rossi, Ciro Immobile and Ignazio Abate still look very Southern Euro even with blondish hair.


By that noone of them wouldn't look out of place in south Europe.

:confused: The sentence is incoherent. Are you saying they would pass or not?

[Teutone]

Sometimes, yes. However, George Osborne, Mark Rutte and Michael Ballack still look very NW Euro despite their dark hair; contrariwise, Ignacio Camacho, Iker Muniain, Adrian San Miguel del Castillo, Daniele de Rossi, Ciro Immobile and Ignazio Abate still look very Southern Euro even with blondish hair.



:confused: The sentence is incoherent. Are you saying they would pass or not?

Immobile? Everyone said he looks like a German here, we simply go by hair color if we do even care at all.

[JamesBond007]

Curiously, I find it is the opposite with the dark/brunette types from the two countries - dark Germans often look more 'truly Med' than do dark Brits. However, I agree that most blonde Germans look too robust and, well, Germanic to fit easily in Southern Europe, whereas blonde Brits have a slightly better chance due to having softer features usually. Nevertheless, those are just my subjective opinions. I am still interested to see what others say about this.

No, those are not subjective opinions. What you say is objective reality.

[pulstar]

English group

[JamesBond007]

English group

The English group is less cro-magnon and more admixed with atlanto-med (even if you can't see it colour wise) where the Germans are more cro-magnon and there is no cro-magnon in southern Europe except for reduced alpine which looks significantly more infantile than cro-magnon.

[Gota_type_]

What also make them look foreigner is their overall expression, which we don´t find familiar.

Anyways, they are far from average even in their own countries, so just take a typical non-germanic looking brits and your 5 examples would also look that they don´t fit with the non-blonde brits. Do they fit with Rowan Atkinson or Sean Connery? No. So, it is logical that they don´t fit in any other place. And they don´t even have particulary "aryan" faces, even more, most of your German examples look less "aryan" in facial features than a good amount of Spaniards. So, discounting their blond aspect, their facial features are not specially rare or good from a "racial" point of view.

For example, this non-blonde Spanish man facial features look more "perfect" western European than most of the germans:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/sYxv9tlvw9TkfB1PqdrrBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/722437a8fa7f74b89ac29fc04b329c25
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg

[pulstar]

The English group is less cro-magnon and more admixed with atlanto-med (even if you can't see it colour wise) where the Germans are more cro-magnon and there is no cro-magnon in southern Europe except for reduced alpine which looks significantly more infantile than cro-magnon.

But neither group can pass as South Europeans. The question was which group pass better, and I simply gave my opinion. This thread is very random.

[Avicenna]

What also make them look foreigner is their overall expression, which we don´t find familiar.

Anyways, they are far from average even in their own countries, so just take a typical non-germanic looking brits and your 5 examples would also look that they don´t fit with the non-blonde brits. Do they fit with Rowan Atkinson or Sean Connery? No. So, it is logical that they don´t fit in any other place. And they don´t even have particulary "aryan" faces, even more, most of your German examples look less "aryan" in facial features than a good amount of Spaniards. So, discounting their blond aspect, their facial features are not specially rare or good from a "racial" point of view.

For example, this non-blonde Spanish man facial features look more "perfect" western European than most of the germans:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/sYxv9tlvw9TkfB1PqdrrBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/722437a8fa7f74b89ac29fc04b329c25
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg

Hold on . Are you implying that the Brits in the OP are NOT typical for their country ? And people lol rowan Atkinson is a normal atypical phenotype for Britain?

[Avicenna]

What also make them look foreigner is their overall expression, which we don´t find familiar.

Anyways, they are far from average even in their own countries, so just take a typical non-germanic looking brits and your 5 examples would also look that they don´t fit with the non-blonde brits. Do they fit with Rowan Atkinson or Sean Connery? No. So, it is logical that they don´t fit in any other place. And they don´t even have particulary "aryan" faces, even more, most of your German examples look less "aryan" in facial features than a good amount of Spaniards. So, discounting their blond aspect, their facial features are not specially rare or good from a "racial" point of view.

For example, this non-blonde Spanish man facial features look more "perfect" western European than most of the germans:
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/sYxv9tlvw9TkfB1PqdrrBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/722437a8fa7f74b89ac29fc04b329c25
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg/800px-20180602_FIFA_Friendly_Match_Austria_vs._Germany_M atthias_Ginter_850_0643.jpg

Hold on . Are you implying that the Brits in the OP are NOT typical for their country ? And people lol rowan Atkinson is a normal atypical phenotype for Britain?

[Gota_type_]

Hold on . Are you implying that the Brits in the OP are NOT typical for their country ? And people lol rowan Atkinson is a normal atypical phenotype for Britain?

I said that these blonde brits would also look atypical or not passing in a supossed country with dark brits like Rowan, Connery and all of them.

[Grace O'Malley]

in general i'd say germans but all of those people look extremely foreign and specific for their regions

A bit OT but Seya you should be a model. I don't think you take a bad picture.

[Seya]

A bit OT but Seya you should be a model. I don't think you take a bad picture.

Thank you dear :)

[Faklon]

Brits have more classic meds types in general. I think it has to do with the neolithic farmers in Britain belonging to classical med types when the Central European farmers belonged to more dinaro-alpinized types.

These don't look like they belong to Mediterranean Europe except possibly Jordan Henderson but I think that the Brits have a slight edge. However, the Germans pass better in Balkans and parts of Italy.

[Roy]

What about both of these sticking out equally - option?

[chociprasa]

German ones pass better in Italy and the Balkans, English ones pass better in Iberia.

[Axios]

None of them pass as "mediterranean" maybe in Catalonia or regions close to France. But they hardly pass as Southern Euro.

[alnortedelsur]

None of them pass as "mediterranean" maybe in Catalonia or regions close to France. But they hardly pass as Southern Euro.

Catalans are neither racially nor phenotypically different from other Spaniards, and many Brits (without necessarily being dark Brits) could reasonably pass unnoticed in Spain (anywhere in Spain). Stop saying BS.

[Axios]

Catalans are neither racially nor phenotypically different from other Spaniards, and many Brits (without necessarily being dark Brits) could reasonably pass unnoticed in Spain (anywhere in Spain). Stop saying BS.

I guess the opinion of someone living here matters more than someone living in south america. It is my opinion. I can also say yours is BS :noidea:

[alnortedelsur]

I guess the opinion of someone living here matters more than someone living in south america. It is my opinion. I can also say yours is BS :noidea:

Firstly, I don't live in Venezuela, I live in US, and I lived in Spain before. And secondly, even before living in Spain I already had a lot of experience with Iberian phenotypes, since there were lots of Spanish and Portuguese immigrants and descendants of them back in Venezuela. That without mentioning that my mom, my maternal grandparents (RIP) and the rest of my maternal family are/were all Spanish.

Your opinion is BS.

[Axios]

Firstly, I don't live in Venezuela, I live in US, and I lived in Spain before. And secondly, even before living in Spain I already had a lot of experience with Iberian phenotypes, since there were lots of Spanish and Portuguese immigrants and descendants of them back in Venezuela. That without mentioning that my mom, my maternal grandparents (RIP) and the rest of my maternal family are/were all Spanish.

Your opinion is BS.

I lived in Spain more than 20 years (and i still live here) but my opinion is BS, and yours (which i assume you just lived few years) is valid :laugh: yeah mate whatever u say.

[yamagi]

A lot of these footballers look foreign even for Hungary, let alone countries with more Southern latitude.

[alnortedelsur]

I lived in Spain more than 20 years (and i still live here) but my opinion is BS, and yours (which i assume you just lived few years) is valid :laugh: yeah mate whatever u say.

You are disonest and have an agenda to exotify and darkwash Spaniards because you're not accepted by them.

[Axios]

You are disonest and have an agenda to exotify and darkwash Spaniards because you're not accepted by them.

??? Shut ur mouth man, it is known that spanish common phenotype is not light eyes and light hair. So leave whatever the fuck u are smoking.

[alnortedelsur]

??? Shut ur mouth man, it is known that spanish common phenotype is not light eyes and light hair. So leave whatever the fuck u are smoking.

Stop being ridiculous. Show us a post where somebody said something like that, or it never happened.

Now it comes that just claiming that there can be significant overlap between Spaniards and French, British, etc, and that most Spaniards don't look dark or exotic for European standards is the same as claiming that most Spaniards are blond, blue eyed and look Nordic... WTF!

[Axios]

Stop being ridiculous. Show us a post where somebody said something like that, or it never happened.

Now it comes that just claiming that there can be significant overlap between Spaniards and French, British, etc, and that most Spaniards don't look dark or exotic for European standards is the same as claiming that most Spaniards are blond, blue eyed and look Nordic... WTF!

I don't even understand what the hell are you talking about, i never said spaniards are dark, but their phenotype is pretty standard for a southern european country. It is you, who is obssesed with light skin, hair and eyes. Nordicist or whatever the fuck its called. Ask any spaniard member, of course there are people with those features, but they are not the average. So quit your bullshit.

[Tooting Carmen]

Could you both cut it out please?

[PanchoV98]

??? Shut ur mouth man, it is known that spanish common phenotype is not light eyes and light hair. So leave whatever the fuck u are smoking.

I dont think is uncommon either, light brown hair and greenish eyes are very common in Iberia I say, ojos color avellana. I have seen some mestizos in this forum with those traits, so i dont say it is that uncommon.

[Axios]

I dont think is uncommon either, light brown hair and greenish eyes are very common in Iberia I say, ojos color avellana. I have seen some mestizos in this forum with those traits, so i dont say it is that uncommon.

Yes, light brown hair and hazel-green eyes are way more common, but we are talkng about the footballers posted here, people like them are not that common.