Middle East before and after

[Reiner Braun]

When the Near East was Christian they were prosperous and rich. When they became Islamic, they completely lost it. This shows us how dangerous Islam is and why we shouldn't allow it to spread in Europe.

https://nephist.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/2014_01_per-capita-gdp-in-roman-times-according-to-maddison-1990-ppp-dollars1.jpg

[Bender1999]

The middle east were culturally and economically affluent because of the Greek, old Egyptian and many other(for example Syrian too) civilization and culture. And even when they become Islamic, many places of middle east, iran, north africa and central asia, places where unfortunately nowdays have big problems, were places of high developed cultures.

[Adamm]

I don't think the Near East was Christian during 14AD.

[Blondie]

islam destroy everything

[Nassbean]

Mauretania tingitana didn't exist yet in 14 AD ...No sources this map looks suspicious.

[TheMaestro]

Lybia was actually a great country, my uncle worked there are Jugoslav work paramedic program. They literally all got free money, free houses, free healthcare and free education. Middle east got into this state especially because of USA and aswell their backward culture not really religion. For example Saudis promote their own laws as they are stated in islam, while they aren't.

[Adamm]

Mauretania tingitana didn't exist yet in 14 AD ...No sources this map looks suspicious.

Mauretania got split into 2 provinces during 40AD under Caligula. So indeed that map is shit.

[Bender1999]

Lybia was actually a great country, my uncle worked there are Jugoslav work paramedic program. They literally all got free money, free houses, free healthcare and free education. Middle east got into this state especially because of USA and aswell their backward culture not really religion. For example Saudis promote their own laws as they are stated in islam, while they aren't.

I wish shitty arabia should would bombed to stone age...

[TheMaestro]

I wish shitty arabia should would bombed to stone age...

Don't wish that, you would fill Europe with even more Arabs.

[Bender1999]

Don't wish that, you would fill Europe with even more Arabs.

No, they should know what happen with their brothers while they live in luxury...

[TheMaestro]

No, they should know what happen with their brothers while they live in luxury...

You are braindead.

[eatensemn]

When the Near East was Christian they were prosperous and rich. When they became Islamic, they completely lost it.Islam in dangerous and should not be allowed anywhere indeed, but you're lacking common sense here. The difference is not religion, it's the change of trade routes. The wealth in the near east was mostly from silk road. After the discovery of the african route to the eastern asia, near east was not important anymore and it's economy, which was mostly based on trade routes, started tocollapse.

[Incal]

Islam in dangerous and should not be allowed anywhere indeed, but you're lacking common sense here. The difference is not religion, it's the change of trade routes. The wealth in the near east was mostly from silk road. After the discovery of the african route to the eastern asia, near east was not important anymore and it's economy, which was mostly based on trade routes, started tocollapse.

That could be a factor but it's definitely not the only one. Times change and so must nations too to stay in the game. I do think that all religions are not compatible with progress but Islam is without a doubt the most pernicious to any civilization. Another factor that also affects the MENA world (which is linked to Islam too) is that people reproduce like rabbits. So they basically export misery.

[eatensemn]

That could be a factor but it's definitely not the only one. Times change and so must nations too to stay in the game. I do think that all religions are not compatible with progress but Islam is without a doubt the most pernicious to any civilization. Another factor that also affects the MENA world (which is linked to Islam too) is that people reproduce like rabbits. So they basically export misery.

Yes but that's the main thing and that dumbass doesn't deserve a more detailed answer. Of course there are a lot of things. For example, anatolia was the ancient base of the agriculture. But due to the climate change, the water resources were become extinct and agricultural economy in near east started to degrade. At the same time; due to the same climate change, european land become warmer and more suitable for agriculture. Also discovery of the new species to use as food, for example potato, which is very resistant to the cold, allowed agriculture in even northern regions. For example, today you can find a water stream every 50 meter in nederland. In the near east maybe in 50 kilometers you can't find a reliable water source. And in the future for example this will get even worse.

Your explanation about reproduction is also a popular form of humiliation of supposedly inferior people. It's not true. It was the same in europe and white people in the past. How do you explain america's way to the 250+ millions of population just in 400 years? White families with even 8-9 children explains? Because it was old times and people needed more children. Today in the near east it's the same, social life is more primitive and people need children. Actually it was almost the same in the europe until ww2, but the destruction of the europe, great famines, etc lead people to reproduce less. You can chech birth charts before/after ww2.

And as a last question, if islam makes poor, can you explain dubai?

"But god gifted them the oil" ?

Why gifted to "them", instead of "you" ?

[Marmara]

Middle East was richer than Europe untill the age of discovery, and was equally rich untill the Industrial revolution.

Egypt's GDP per capita was equal to of France 100 years ago.

[Marmara]

That could be a factor but it's definitely not the only one. Times change and so must nations too to stay in the game. I do think that all religions are not compatible with progress but Islam is without a doubt the most pernicious to any civilization. Another factor that also affects the MENA world (which is linked to Islam too) is that people reproduce like rabbits. So they basically export misery.

Birthrate is related to women joining workforce, muslims keep the traditional family roles.

[Marmara]

Main problem with Islam is that, there is no centralized institution like Church in Islam. Mosques are just house of worship. It means that anyone can be a preacher, and anyone can preach ultra-conservatism and violence. In Christianity there can not be a bishop calling for crusade, he would be kicked out of church. Preachers can't diverge from Church's main doctrin.

Old muslim nobility/elite was mostly secular and westernized, problems started when they were uprooted.

[Incal]

Yes but that's the main thing and that dumbass doesn't deserve a more detailed answer. Of course there are a lot of things. For example, anatolia was the ancient base of the agriculture. But due to the climate change, the water resources were become extinct and agricultural economy in near east started to degrade. At the same time; due to the same climate change, european land become warmer and more suitable for agriculture. Also discovery of the new species to use as food, for example potato, which is very resistant to the cold, allowed agriculture in even northern regions. For example, today you can find a water stream every 50 meter in nederland. In the near east maybe in 50 kilometers you can't find a reliable water source. And in the future for example this will get even worse.

Your explanation about reproduction is also a popular form of humiliation of supposedly inferior people. It's not true. It was the same in europe and white people in the past. How do you explain america's way to the 250+ millions of population just in 400 years? White families with even 8-9 children explains? Because it was old times and people needed more children. Today in the near east it's the same, social life is more primitive and people need children. Actually it was almost the same in the europe until ww2, but the destruction of the europe, great famines, etc lead people to reproduce less. You can chech birth charts before/after ww2.

And as a last question, if islam makes poor, can you explain dubai?

"But god gifted them the oil" ?

Why gifted to "them", instead of "you" ?

Why would you say MENAs need more children now? I mean at this time and age.

Did not get the last part of your post.

[Incal]

Birthrate is related to women joining workforce, muslims keep the traditional family roles.

Ah. That's another factor for poverty.

[Marmara]

Ah. That's another factor for poverty.

Yes it is.

[eatensemn]

Why would you say MENAs need more children now? I mean at this time and age.

Did not get the last part of your post.

I think you're joking or trying something different? Aren't you aware of what's going on there, how many of them getting killed everyday? It's a huge warzone. And birthrates get skyrocketed during wars

And so, if islam is making poor, why gulf arabs are not becoming poor and instead purchasing every property in europe?.

[Incal]

I think you're joking or trying something different? Aren't you aware of what's going on there, how many of them getting killed everyday? It's a huge warzone. And birthrates get skyrocketed during wars

And so, if islam is making poor, why gulf arabs are not becoming poor and instead purchasing every property in europe?.

That's what I didn't get.

Also, now that the oil barrel is worth nothing it's going to be interesting how these gulf arabs deal with it.

[Egyptian]

The middle east were culturally and economically affluent because of the Greek, old Egyptian and many other(for example Syrian too) civilization and culture.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Bender1999]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It is true habibi, early islamic philosophy and science had a strong impact from old greek. Thats not funny that is a fact. Many old greek sources just survived because of islamic scholars.

[Negah]

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[XenophobicPrussian]

What a stupid thread. They weren't even Christian during that map, and the Middle-East was richer than all of Europe(save core Byzantium areas) during the early-mid Middle-Ages too. Religion has nothing to do with it, they fell behind because higher IQ populations caught up in population and population growth due to the spread of civilization(which yes, is from the Middle-East).

[Synapsid]

What a stupid thread. They weren't even Christian during that map, and the Middle-East was richer than all of Europe(save core Byzantium areas) during the early-mid Middle-Ages too. Religion has nothing to do with it, they fell behind because higher IQ populations caught up in population and population growth due to the spread of civilization(which yes, is from the Middle-East).
WHG/SHG/EHG rich populations are smarter than Near Eastern farmers due to ice age/cold climate survival?
Excessive dogmatism (societies need some dogma but not overboard) stifles innovation and creativity which is fundamental to future progress. You need to look at the difference in Bosniaks vs slovenes in PISA/Socio-Economic metrics, despite being similar in genetics.
tho Slovenes are bit more NW Euro, there is not much major difference between Bosnian and Slovenes (in intra European variations anyways) but they have differences in civilisational mindsets.

[XenophobicPrussian]

WHG/SHG/EHG rich populations are smarter than Near Eastern farmers due to ice age/cold climate survival?
Excessive dogmatism (societies need some dogma but not overboard) stifles innovation and creativity which is fundamental to future progress. You need to look at the difference in Bosniaks vs slovenes in PISA/Socio-Economic metrics, despite being similar in genetics.
tho Slovenes are bit more NW Euro, there is not much major difference between Bosnian and Slovenes (in intra European variations anyways) but they have differences in civilisational mindsets.
It's an important factor(and probably the main one, i.e Slavs, Finno-Ugrics and NE Euros have very little history with civilization, even recently, yet still score far better than people with rich histories like Greeks and far richer people like Gulf Arab states), but it's not the only one obviously. The second most important factor is recent selection and breeding patterns(and it's still a genetic thing, not cultural), mostly during the European Middle-Ages where medieval Western Europe the upper classes bred more(especially in a place like the Rhineland, S. Germany, Flanders, Netherlands, N. Italy), more criminals were executed than other places, less criminals were able to breed, manoralism lowering rates of inbreeding, etc. Here's a good summary of this theory: https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/
(explanation on why is more down in the post) It's a mix of a multitude of factors.


Still, that Inuits, rural Chinese populations can score higher on IQ than a population like Dubai Arabs undoubtably, and even Bosniaks outscore Greeks on IQ, it means basal, paleolithic/mesolithic race also matters. We of course also can't ignore the strong correlation with cranial capacity and intelligence, of those populations of which you mentioned were certainly not lacking in. Culture still plays an important part, but it still isn't Religion. Kazakhs, Chinese Muslims and Azeris are not like Palestinians, Muslims from Mali, etc.

[Synapsid]

It's an important factor(and probably the main one, i.e Slavs, Finno-Ugrics and NE Euros have very little history with civilization, even recently, yet still score far better than people with rich histories like Greeks and far richer people like Gulf Arab states), but it's not the only one obviously. The second most important factor is recent selection and breeding patterns(and it's still a genetic thing, not cultural), mostly during the European Middle-Ages where medieval Western Europe the upper classes bred more(especially in a place like the Rhineland, S. Germany, Flanders, Netherlands, N. Italy), more criminals were executed than other places, less criminals were able to breed, manoralism lowering rates of inbreeding, etc. Here's a good summary of this theory: https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/
(explanation on why is more down in the post) It's a mix of a multitude of factors.


Still, that Inuits, rural Chinese populations can score higher on IQ than a population like Dubai Arabs undoubtably, and even Bosniaks outscore Greeks on IQ, it means basal, paleolithic/mesolithic race also matters. We of course also can't ignore the strong correlation with cranial capacity and intelligence, of those populations of which you mentioned were certainly not lacking in. Culture still plays an important part, but it still isn't Religion. Kazakhs, Chinese Muslims and Azeris are not like Palestinians, Muslims from Mali, etc.

How do Chechens and Degastanis fit in this explanatory model? They are generally more chg/less basa and more north shifted than Armenians yet armenians were model citizens in the USSR, producing world class chess players and designing Fighter jets like Mikoyan etc, while Chechens and degis, while good fighters, had less intellectual clout than Armenians

[Synapsid]

I know post carolingian manoralism had an effect on marriage pattens, along with NW european catholism (hanjal line, banning cousin marriages, nuclear family, reduction in clannishness). Did'nt know about its cognitive effects tho

[Hamilcar]

It's an important factor(and probably the main one, i.e Slavs, Finno-Ugrics and NE Euros have very little history with civilization, even recently, yet still score far better than people with rich histories like Greeks and far richer people like Gulf Arab states), but it's not the only one obviously. The second most important factor is recent selection and breeding patterns(and it's still a genetic thing, not cultural), mostly during the European Middle-Ages where medieval Western Europe the upper classes bred more(especially in a place like the Rhineland, S. Germany, Flanders, Netherlands, N. Italy), more criminals were executed than other places, less criminals were able to breed, manoralism lowering rates of inbreeding, etc. Here's a good summary of this theory: https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/
(explanation on why is more down in the post) It's a mix of a multitude of factors.


Still, that Inuits, rural Chinese populations can score higher on IQ than a population like Dubai Arabs undoubtably, and even Bosniaks outscore Greeks on IQ, it means basal, paleolithic/mesolithic race also matters. We of course also can't ignore the strong correlation with cranial capacity and intelligence, of those populations of which you mentioned were certainly not lacking in. Culture still plays an important part, but it still isn't Religion. Kazakhs, Chinese Muslims and Azeris are not like Palestinians, Muslims from Mali, etc.

All of this is very speculative and not backed up by any serious paper and I don't see why evolving in a cold environment requires a higher intelligence than evolving in a hostile jungle or a desert. All of this is very simplistic if not ridiculous and clearly motivated by racist agendas.

I invite you to back up your statements with solid and consistent data not with an obscure blog article made by a random alt right incel.

[XenophobicPrussian]

How do Chechens and Degastanis fit in this explanatory model? They are generally more chg/less basal than Armenians yet armenias were model citizens in the USSR, producing world class chess players and desiging Fighter jets like Mikoyan etc
That's a bit historically revisionist and again a weird example because there isn't a large differences between Armenians/Chechens/Dagestanis. Geniuses exist everywhere(except maybe in Papua New Guinea, but who knows), Armenia were not "model citizens" in the USSR lol. Amount of top chess players just means the geniuses in that country don't have as much opportunity to use their talent in a more humanity helping or money making way. Japan has some of the least chess grandmasters in the world per capita(Armenia and former USSR/Balkans/eastern Europe still have some of the highest), that doesn't mean they're dumber than Armenians, it means Japanese geniuses are busy making more money in business and technology instead. Armenia was, and is still one of the poorest regions of the USSR/former-USSR. Armenians were overrepresented among USSR politicians as well, I don't think that's a sign of higher intelligence than Russians(no data would agree with this of course), only sociopathy.

There's literally no point in bringing this comparison up, because like I said, basal race is not the only factor, neither is genetics. There will be outliers. Either way, Chechens/Dagestanis score the same as Armenians on IQ(other North Caucasians higher) and higher than Georgia on PISA(no Armenian PISA results). A better comparison would be North Italians vs say Polacks/Lithuanians if you're only arguing against the basal race factor, there are very few examples that are good arguments against the genetics argument overall. Chechens/Dagestanis are significantly inbred and can increase their IQ significantly compared to Armenians, who aren't the least inbred in the world but far more less inbred than the former.

[Synapsid]

That's a bit historically revisionist and again a weird example because there isn't a large differences between Armenians/Chechens/Dagestanis. Geniuses exist everywhere(except maybe in Papua New Guinea, but who knows), Armenia were not "model citizens" in the USSR lol. Amount of top chess players just means the geniuses in that country don't have as much opportunity to use their talent in a more humanity helping or money making way. Japan has some of the least chess grandmasters in the world per capita(Armenia and former USSR/Balkans/eastern Europe still have some of the highest), that doesn't mean they're dumber than Armenians, it means Japanese geniuses are busy making more money in business and technology instead. Armenia was, and is still one of the poorest regions of the USSR/former-USSR. Armenians were overrepresented among USSR politicians as well, I don't think that's a sign of higher intelligence than Russians(no data would agree with this of course), only sociopathy.

There's literally no point in bringing this comparison up, because like I said, basal race is not the only factor, neither is genetics. There will be outliers. Either way, Chechens/Dagestanis score the same as Armenians on IQ(other North Caucasians higher) and higher than Georgia on PISA(no Armenian PISA results). A better comparison would be North Italians vs say Polacks/Lithuanians if you're only arguing against the basal race factor, there are very few examples that are good arguments against the genetics argument overall. Chechens/Dagestanis are significantly inbred and can increase their IQ significantly compared to Armenians, who aren't the least inbred in the world but far more less inbred than the former.
I am not disputing what you are saying (its a good model and testable). My point was that certain religous traditions and level fanaticism can result in differences in outcomes between very similar populations
Do you believe ANE had an impact in cognition in the MENA regions (N. Caucasus/Armenia/Azeris vs Gulf region)? I mentioned ANE because the former has more of it than the latter. The most important paleolithic template in MENAs is Dzudzuana (UHG+basal) which is present in all Middle eastern groups.

[Synapsid]

Typo error

[Synapsid]

All of this is very speculative and not backed up by any serious paper and I don't see why evolving in a cold environment requires a higher intelligence than evolving in a hostile jungle or a desert. All of this is very simplistic if not ridiculous and clearly motivated by racist agendas.

I invite you to back up your statements with solid and consistent data not with an obscure blog article made by a random alt right incel.

The Magreb was quite cold in the upper Paleolithic, and so was Anatolia. So why are you worried :)

[Synapsid]

XP this is interesting. Have you read the paper on the Genetic formation of East Asians in March 2020? East Asians seem pretty much Tianyuan Derived, with interplay between TY and Onge like populations. What do you think the cognitive potential of Jomon was? Since they were modelled as 55% Tianyuan 45% Onge like I think.

[Hamilcar]

The Magreb was quite cold in the upper Paleolithic, and so was Anatolia. So why are you worried :)

There is nothing to worry about here. If he's able to prove that certain euro pops are indeed genetically predisposed to be smarter (because of the specific context in which their ancestors evolved) then I'll gladly accept it be sure of this.

[Synapsid]

There is nothing to worry about here. If he's able to prove that certain euro pops are indeed genetically predisposed to be smarter (because of the specific context in which their ancestors evolved) then I'll gladly accept it be sure of this.

Hunter gatherers like Inuits carried more complex array of kit than tropical hunter gatherers like papuans and Abos. The Yana remains in NE Siberia carried some the most complex paleolithic tool set discovered. Solutreans and Magdelanians created arguably the most abstract art of the Ice ages. I was reading a paper long ago, which stated that it required more complex tools to survive in cold winter environments than in warmer climes ones

[Hamilcar]

Hunter gatherers like Inuits carried more complex array of kit than tropical hunter gatherers like papuans and Abos. The Yana remains in NE Siberia carried some the most complex paleolithic tool set discovered. Solutreans and Magdelanians created arguably the most abstract art of the Ice ages. I was reading a paper long ago, which stated that it required more complex tools to survive in cold winter environments than in warmer climes ones

It still doesn't mean x population should be smarter. It's simply an adaptation to a specific environment : Why making complex tools when it's not needed ? You can take mbutis and put them in siberia they'll probably end up making the same kind of complex tools.

Also you underestimate how populations used to migrate and interact with each other while evolution in general is a very slow process.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I am not disputing what you are saying (its a good model and testable). My point was that certain religous traditions and level fanaticism can result in differences in outcomes between very similar populations
Do you believe ANE had an impact in cognition in the MENA regions (N. Caucasus/Armenia/Azeris vs Gulf region)? I mentioned ANE because the former has more of it than the latter. The most important paleolithic template in MENAs is Dzudzuana (UHG+basal) which is present in all Middle eastern groups.
I would say so, although technically Iranians score worse than Levantines on IQ, but other ANE rich pops in the region score higher and besides we'd have a lot more higher sample, accurate IQ numbers if the field wasn't such a niche, taboo and almost repressed field. Iran does seem more stable and prosperous than most of the Levant.

XP this is interesting. Have you read the paper on the Genetic formation of East Asians in March 2020? East Asians seem pretty much Tianyuan Derived, with interplay between TY and Onge like populations. What do you think the cognitive potential of Jomon was? Since they were modelled as 55% Tianyuan 45% Onge like I think.
I haven't, I'll have to check it out. I'm still unsure if this Onge like signal in Ainu/Jomon is actually really Onge-like or just some archaic relic(like nearly all early paleolithic populations show in ADMIXTURE runs), maybe the paper has more on that. Also was thinking there's still a possibility both Onge and Devil's Gate_N are both fully derived from Tianyuan without any other admixture, only separate paths. It's just really hard to believe as the recent paper on Amerindians (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.12.336628v1) claim early Brazilian Amerindian samples(and these would've been among the first people to the Americas most likely) show a small Onge signal while other Amerindians don't. I can't believe(especially when we already have Tianyuan already around Beijing, which is supposed to already be proto-North-East Asian) that an Onge-like population made its way up there to Japan/Siberia or was native.

As for cognitive potential, the Japan IQ/height/homicide rate cline is south-north(lower-higher), with the peaks in the center(as is the norm with most places as the best of the best tend to move to the capitals/population centers), but Jomon and Ainu admixture should theoretically be higher in the north(with the exception of Okinawa who have as much Y-DNA D as Hokkaido), although a lot of studies show Chinese/South Koreans score better than Japanese on IQ, but not all. It's hard to say, if I were a betting man I would probably go with Yayoi>Jomon, but that could change if the signal isn't actually from an Onge-like population.

Onge are definitely an interesting population. Large penis size and aggressive temperment is more of a rule than exception among pure tropical populations, yet Onge are one of the more peaceful hunter-gatherer groups studied by researchers(around the level of Inuit), while Amazonian tribes, Nubian tribes, Papuan tribes, non-tropical Great Plains Tribe, and of course modern people in Latin America/Africa/etc are among the most violent, and they(along with Indians, who have Onge-like admixture) have small penises, while Africans, Amerindians(especially in the tropics), and Africans have among the largest. I would also call Indians a mostly peaceful people, as the murder rate is quite low. Just goes to show the same patterns in the same type of climates/environments will not be found everywhere.

Speaking of Amerindians, non-Inuit Northern Amerindians are actually one of the good arguments and outliers against the paleolithic race being important today theory, because they're basically pretty much fully northern Eurasian, although for all we know nearly all Northern Amerindians descend from a population bottleneck and expansion from a place like Mexico or the southern US from the earliest migrants to the Americas(which is much earlier than most people think), which means they also spent a significant amount of time in a tropical or semi-tropical climate, but you also have good arguments for it like Siberians and other populations, so.

[Synapsid]

It still doesn't mean x population should be smarter. It's simply an adaptation to a specific environment : Why making complex tools when it's not needed ? You can take mbutis and put them in siberia they'll probably end up making the same kind of complex tools.

Also you underestimate how populations used to migrate and interact with each other while evolution in general is a very slow process.

I think Siberia would be a more cognitively demanding palace than the tropics. Resource are rare, long winters, obtaining food, forward planning etc

[Synapsid]

I would say so, although technically Iranians score worse than Levantines on IQ, but other ANE rich pops in the region score higher and besides we'd have a lot more higher sample, accurate IQ numbers if the field wasn't such a niche, taboo and almost repressed field. Iran does seem more stable and prosperous than most of the Levant.

I haven't, I'll have to check it out. I'm still unsure if this Onge like signal in Ainu/Jomon is actually really Onge-like or just some archaic relic(like nearly all early paleolithic populations show in ADMIXTURE runs), maybe the paper has more on that. Also was thinking there's still a possibility both Onge and Devil's Gate_N are both fully derived from Tianyuan without any other admixture, only separate paths. It's just really hard to believe as the recent paper on Amerindians (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.12.336628v1) claim early Brazilian Amerindian samples(and these would've been among the first people to the Americas most likely) show a small Onge signal while other Amerindians don't. I can't believe(especially when we already have Tianyuan already around Beijing, which is supposed to already be proto-North-East Asian) that an Onge-like population made its way up there to Japan/Siberia or was native.

As for cognitive potential, the Japan IQ/height/homicide rate cline is south-north(lower-higher), with the peaks in the center(as is the norm with most places as the best of the best tend to move to the capitals/population centers), but Jomon and Ainu admixture should theoretically be higher in the north(with the exception of Okinawa who have as much Y-DNA D as Hokkaido), although a lot of studies show Chinese/South Koreans score better than Japanese on IQ, but not all. It's hard to say, if I were a betting man I would probably go with Yayoi>Jomon, but that could change if the signal isn't actually from an Onge-like population.

Onge are definitely an interesting population. Large penis size and aggressive temperment is more of a rule than exception among pure tropical populations, yet Onge are one of the more peaceful hunter-gatherer groups studied by researchers(around the level of Inuit), while Amazonian tribes, Nubian tribes, Papuan tribes, non-tropical Great Plains Tribe, and of course modern people in Latin America/Africa/etc are among the most violent, and they(along with Indians, who have Onge-like admixture) have small penises, while Africans, Amerindians(especially in the tropics), and Africans have among the largest. I would also call Indians a mostly peaceful people, as the murder rate is quite low. Just goes to show the same patterns in the same type of climates/environments will not be found everywhere.

Speaking of Amerindians, non-Inuit Northern Amerindians are actually one of the good arguments and outliers against the paleolithic race being important today theory, because they're basically pretty much fully northern Eurasian, although for all we know nearly all Northern Amerindians descend from a population bottleneck and expansion from a place like Mexico or the southern US from the earliest migrants to the Americas(which is much earlier than most people think), which means they also spent a significant amount of time in a tropical or semi-tropical climate, but you also have good arguments for it like Siberians and other populations, so.

Tianyuan seem very divergent from Onge although on the Eastern Non African Branch, in the qpGraph TY is put as 'North East Eurasian'. The split must have happed very early on, because 30,000 years you start to see EDAR etc. I doubt proto-Asians resembled anything like Onge around 40,000 years, the phenotypic difference between Onge and Asian is too big. Amerids split around 23,000 years, mixed with ANE (near biracial) and yet they still look mongoloid. Tianyuan would look mong I think.