Georgians

[memobekes]

Inspired by Agrippa's request, this time I present to you a collection of Georgian soccer players. Is there much similarity to the Armenians? Please classify... :)

F.C. Torpedo Kutaisi: http://www.fctorpedo.ge/index.php?eng
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[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

[hr]WIT Georgia: http://www.witgeorgia.ge/
http://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/ardalion%20miqaberidze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/rechia-BIG.JPGhttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/dzadzamia-BIG.JPGhttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/Lasa-Kasradze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/ganiashvili-257.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/giga%20bechvaia.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/davit%20xurcilava.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/Guram-Adamadze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/gogiashvili-BIG.JPGhttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/chankvetadze-BIG.JPG

[memobekes]

http://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/Giorgi-Vasadze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/1-dvalashvili.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/janelidze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/daviT%20maisashvili.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/gureshidze-BIG.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/2-GIORGI%20GURESIDZE.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/korifadze-BIG.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/Beqa-Zakradze.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/chimakadze-BIG.JPGhttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/2011-ROSTIASHVILI.jpg

[memobekes]

http://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/2011-JUGELI.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/2011-GABRICHIDZE.jpghttp://www.witgeorgia.ge/all/ALL-2009/GUNDI-2009/BIG/2011-KAVTARADZE.jpg

[hr]F.C. Zestafoni:http://www.fczestafoni.ge/
http://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/kvasxvadze.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/mamaladze.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/meshveliani.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/xidesheli.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/eliava.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/oniani.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/kobaxidze.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/gruica.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/fofxadze.JPGhttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/aladashvili.jpghttp://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/daushvili.JPG

[memobekes]

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[Bridie]

Quite a mixed bunch really.... but most of them look quite Asiatic to my eyes. Others look Slavic. Not sure that there's much difference though really.

[Anthropologique]

I see mainly West Asian types. Some appear Turkish and a few are European looking.

[Hess]

I would say about 20% Can pass as Euros. Some of them have a west asian look, but then again so do some Greek Islanders and Sicillians.

[memobekes]

Soccer players are not always that representative, often you get just suboptimal pictures of them either. So I would prefer the regular people - like in this thread, which is a great sample.

http://top-10-list.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Joseph-Stalin-300x259.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7884/22453177.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3574/55645400.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5652/g10u.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8508/g12m.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3259/g14d.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8948/g16q.jpghttp://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7093/g22v.jpghttp://www.photolife.ws/forum/uploads/1248993363/gallery_11182_40_71763.jpghttp://c.imagehost.org/0660/g5.jpghttp://c.imagehost.org/0016/g12.jpg

[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

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[memobekes]

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[Equilibrium]

Great samples, but this new thread makes the Georgian footballer thread obsolete. The threads should be merged.

[memobekes]

Thanks Equilibrium. Is there a way to merge both threads? Perhaps one of the moderators can look into this.

[Sikeliot]

I would say about 20% Can pass as Euros. Some of them have a west asian look, but then again so do some Greek Islanders and Sicillians.

I think some of the more European looking of these Georgians could pass as Greeks and/or Sicilians. Others do look Slavic but most just look West Asian (but not Levantine) to me.

[Ibericus]

The ones without russian admix, look Turko-Iranid (West-Asian) or have a unique look of the Caucasus

[Agrippa]

Most of them look like the Armenians shown, predominantely Armenoid, just somewhat lighter on average.

There are mainly two deviations: One in an European direction, the other in the clearly Near Eastern or even Mongoloid one.

This one looks "old Turkic"/Turko-Mongol influenced for example:
http://www.fctorpedo.ge/webcms/_files/1284491545_a888b7d42beebe8e435b026801857121.jpg

Thos one looks more Near Eastern though being generally Armenoid:
http://www.fctorpedo.ge/webcms/_files/1284491298_044467f0068f0aac0846c62996c2e483.jpg

These are (very progressive) pred. European/Indo-European phenotypes, rather Atlanto-Nordid/Nordid to Mediterranid, minor Armenoid still possible:
http://www.fctorpedo.ge/webcms/_files/1284491230_cdefc56c7f824d93aa5c61d52743c277.jpg

http://www.fczestafoni.ge/images/photos/2010-Fotoebi/dzaria.JPG

I'm actually surprised to see how totally dominant Armenoid is in this (random?) sample.

[Anthropologique]

There's a significant Mongoloid influence in a good number.

[d3cimat3d]

There's a significant Mongoloid influence in a good number.

Doubt it. It's just a pseudo-Mongoloid look...Even in Scotland some people appear Mongoloid but obviously are not. In the Georgians case their DNA does not show anything East Asian unless they are mixed with Russians. The Caucasus was a good barrier from all the Turkic invaders to the north.

0YjrHLTLAZg

^ Pseudo-Turanid girl at 9:25


All the children in the video are Ossetians from South Ossetia, except for my daughter, who is an American, but was in Djava when a bomb fell 100 meters from her grandmothers home.

[Agrippa]

I see slight POSSIBLE Mongoloid influences in some, but not that important.

From documentaries, other image series and so on, I know that in some regions of Georgia other elements than Armenoid are more common and these are usually more European like. Also, Mongoloid seems to be very low, in any case lower than in Anatolian Turks for example, lower than in the Sami, most likely lower than in Northern Finns as well - at least phenotypically.

[Svartálfar]

Famous Georgian football players:

Levan Kobiashvili

http://www.fansfc.com/UploadedImages/Players/Levan%20Kobiashvili_633843717104451250.jpg

Georgi Nemsadze

http://antoniovesp.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/4b205d574716358b4a1683e5e181b6fa.jpg?w=200

Kakha Kaladze

http://www.emozionecalcio.it/Persone/Kakha-KALADZE/KakhaKALADZE_2008.jpg

David Siradze

http://www.spox.com/de/daten/pics/fussball/bilder/spieler/gross/19323.jpg

Georgi Kinkladze

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Georgi_Kinkladze.jpg

Zurab Khizanishvili

http://ligamistru-2003-2004.xf.cz/obrazky/fotky/rangers/400x600/zurab_khizanishvili.jpg

[Austrvegr]

Doubt it. It's just a pseudo-Mongoloid look...Even in Scotland some people appear Mongoloid but obviously are not. In the Georgians case their DNA does not show anything East Asian unless they are mixed with Russians. The Caucasus was a good barrier from all the Turkic invaders to the north.


Georgia has a long history of Turco-Mongol invasion and occupation stretching from the 7th to the 19th centuries.

See for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Georgia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur%27s_invasions_of_Georgia

[Anthropologique]

Georgia has a long history of Turco-Mongol invasion and occupation stretching from the 7th to the 19th centuries.

See for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Georgia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur%27s_invasions_of_Georgia

The key question is: How large was the settlement? Were these invaders just military occupiers?

[Agrippa]

The key question is: How large was the settlement? Were these invaders just military occupiers?

Also, Georgia has a lot of ethnic groups, are actual Georgians really that much affected.

Looking at the Turko-Mongol expansions, even many Turkic speaking people have a very low amount of real Mongoloid influences - and most which had a really significant, even if still just minor one, became Turkic ethnolinguistically...

[Hess]

Also, Georgia has a lot of ethnic groups, are actual Georgians really that much affected.

good point. Not all of those Footballers were ethnic Georgians- some of them look like they may be Cherkess, Azeris, Svans, Kurds, and Jews

[d3cimat3d]

Georgia has a long history of Turco-Mongol invasion and occupation stretching from the 7th to the 19th centuries.

See for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Georgia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur%27s_invasions_of_Georgia

Georgia submitted and paid gold and for the most part kept out the Turks (and did really well):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Didgori

You can see the Georgian individuals who do have Asian mixture are part Russian, because they also have "east European" that goes along with it.

http://i51.tinypic.com/296n4nr.png

There was almost no leak from north of the Caucasus, except maybe Cimmerians and some Khazars. It's next to impossible to pass the Caucasus, there are only 3-4 river gorges that run through the Caucasus and even then you have to cross at least some mountains. Pastoralist groups like the early Indo-Europeans and Turkic people stayed away from the Caucasus (lack of R1a), there was not enough grass to feed on and also horses will die trying to cross (like Hannibal's elephants did when trying to cross the Alps).

[Han Cholo]

The ones without russian admix, look Turko-Iranid (West-Asian) or have a unique look of the Caucasus

I don't think any have Russian admix. I'm quite familiarized with the whole Slavic spectrum and none look particularly Slavic influenced to me.

[hajduk]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Traditional_dress,_mtshketoba.jpg/800px-Traditional_dress,_mtshketoba.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-80B_DVp6w4U/TdjOE6V7VSI/AAAAAAAAALQ/ifcq1S-71u0/s1600/IMG_3455.JPG

[Agrippa]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-80B_DVp6w4U/TdjOE6V7VSI/AAAAAAAAALQ/ifcq1S-71u0/s1600/IMG_3455.JPG

Is the blond women on the left Georgian too?

She looks not even Eastern European, but rather "Germanic".

[memobekes]

@Agrippa

I'd argue the one in the middle is also painfully Slavic, lol

[hajduk]

Could be Russian, many russians there and many mixec marriages

[Svartálfar]

http://i51.tinypic.com/296n4nr.png



Thank you for this info. It clearly shows that Georgians are mainly Middle Easterners with minor mediterranean and west/east european admixture.

[perikolez]

Yesterday Spain sub 21 played against Georgia Sub21 in Kutaisi (Georgia) , and Spain won 2-7. Compared with geogian players, and georgian people wathing the match, spaniards looked like swedish:D.

[Austrvegr]

Georgia submitted and paid gold and for the most part kept out the Turks (and did really well):

Let’s see how really well it did:

627: Tbilisi taken by Turkics.

764: Tbilisi taken by Khazars.

1068: Tbilisi taken by Seljuks. By the late 1080s, there were more Seljuks in Georgia than Georgians. To fight them, Georgian king David IV in 1118-1119 invited 40,000 Turkic Cumans, who settled in Georgia.

1236-1330: most of Georgia including Tbilisi occupied and directly ruled by Mongols.

1386-1404: 8 invasions of Georgia by Tamerlane’s Central Asian Turco-Mongols.

1477-1478: Tbilisi occupied by Ak Koyunlu Turks.

1555: Georgia divided between Turks and Persians and stayed so until annexation by Russia in the 19th century.

Oh yes, it did really well.

:thumb001:

[Austrvegr]

You can see the Georgian individuals who do have Asian mixture are part Russian, because they also have "east European" that goes along with it.

http://i51.tinypic.com/296n4nr.png


There are individuals who have Asian but not East European.

[Svartálfar]

There are individuals who have Asian but not East European.

East European is the blue bar.

[d3cimat3d]

Oh yes, it did really well.

:thumb001:

They did do very well considering that Georgians are genetically some of the least Mongoloid people around the Caspian. They played it smart by paying tribute when they could and in the end preserved their Caucasoid genes, unlike some cocky east Europeans who thought they were too cool for the Turko-Mongols and ended up getting trampled over.

[Austrvegr]

They did do very well considering that Georgians are genetically some of the least Mongoloid people around the Caspian. They played it smart by paying tribute when they could and in the end preserved their Caucasoid genes, unlike some cocky east Europeans who thought they were too cool for the Turko-Mongols and ended up getting trampled over.

Georgians were those who got trampled over. Most of Georgia including its capital Tbilisi was for a century occupied and directly ruled by Mongols.

[Pallantides]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7093/g22v.jpg
Looks like my history teacher in high school, only she had smaller eyes and her nose was snubbed.

[d3cimat3d]

Georgians were those who got trampled over. Most of Georgia including its capital Tbilisi was for a century occupied and directly ruled by Mongols.

And how long was Moscow occupied by the Mongols? Oh wait.. it wasn't, because it was burnt down and everyone put to death - with lots of rapes too I'm sure.

Anyways Georgians are not even 1% East Asian... ethnic Russians are as much as 15% in some parts... That should say something.

[Pallantides]

And how long was Moscow occupied by the Mongols? Oh wait.. it wasn't, because it was burnt down and everyone put to death - with lots of rapes too I'm sure.

Anyways Georgians are not even 1% East Asian... ethnic Russians are as much as 15% in some parts... That should say something.

Need some visuals


Georgians
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6694/admixturegeorgians12.png

Russians
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8162/admixturerussian12.png
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4587/admixturerussiand12.png

[Svartálfar]

Georgian women are so ugly that not even the mongols wanted to marry them.

[Han Cholo]

Georgian women are so ugly that not even the mongols wanted to marry them.

I've seen quite a few that look attractive. Personally, I like this West Asian look without Semitic influence.

[Svartálfar]

I've seen quite a few that look attractive. Personally, I like this West Asian look without Semitic influence.

You can't really judge from so few cherrypicked photos. :coffee:

[Han Cholo]

You can't really judge from so few cherrypicked photos. :coffee:

Well, there's not many Georgians in my place so I don't have any other way to judge.

[Austrvegr]

And how long was Moscow occupied by the Mongols? Oh wait.. it wasn't, because it was burnt down and everyone put to death - with lots of rapes too I'm sure.

You are right, Moscow was never occupied by Mongols, unlike Tbilisi. All young women Mongols could lay hands on were driven off to the Horde.


Anyways Georgians are not even 1% East Asian... ethnic Russians are as much as 15% in some parts... That should say something.

Small East Asian admixture in Russians comes from assimiliated Finnics. Turko-Mongol influence is zero.

[d3cimat3d]

Small East Asian admixture in Russians comes from assimiliated Finnics. Turko-Mongol influence is zero.

And how do you explain east Asian admixture in Ukrainians? It for sure cannot be Finnic... You think somehow Russians avoided this Turkic admix. even though Russia is closer to east Asia than Ukraine? Makes no sense.

And how about Aleksandr Blok's poem? A ethnic Russian admiting Russians are Mongols.


You are but millions. Our unnumbered nations

Are as the sands upon the sounding shore.

We are the Scythians! We are the slit-eyed Asians!

Try to wage war with us - you'll try no more!

[Hess]

Many slavs have some Asian influence, but then again so do many Scandinavians and even some central Europeans. It's really not that big a deal.

[d3cimat3d]

but then again so do many Scandinavians and even some central Europeans.

Russians can have Asian admix. as high as 10-15%, but you will have a very hard time finding a Scandinavian or central European, even Hungarian who is more than 1%.

[Austrvegr]

And how do you explain east Asian admixture in Ukrainians? It for sure cannot be Finnic...

It can. Finno-Ugrian (Pit-Comb Ware) migration reached Ukraine.


You think somehow Russians avoided this Turkic admix. even though Russia is closer to east Asia than Ukraine? Makes no sense.

Ukrainians have had closer contacts with Turco-Mongols and sit on genetic charts further east than Russians.


And how about Aleksandr Blok's poem? A ethnic Russian admiting Russians are Mongols.

An ethnic Russian admitting Russians are Scythians, i.e. Nordic Aryans.

:)

[Austrvegr]

Russians can have Asian admix. as high as 10-15%, but you will have a very hard time finding a Scandinavian or central European, even Hungarian who is more than 1%.

Would be interesting to see Russians with as high as 10-15% Asian admix.

On 23andme Russians have 0 to 1% Asian admix, which is fully in conformity with their genetic distances and position on genetic charts.

[d3cimat3d]

Ukrainians have had closer contacts with Turco-Mongols and sit on genetic charts further east than Russians.


No.



An ethnic Russian admitting Russians are Scythians, i.e. Nordic Aryans.


Russians are not Scythians. Russians are just very close relatives to the Proto-Indo-Europeans (congratulations, caveman). Scythians and what are now called Russians split 10,000 years ago.

Scythians were a mix of North-Europid (Andronovo) + West Asian (BMAC). Some kid from St.Petersburg like you can only fantasize of descending from them. ;)

[Basil]

And how do you explain east Asian admixture in Ukrainians? It for sure cannot be Finnic... You think somehow Russians avoided this Turkic admix. even though Russia is closer to east Asia than Ukraine? Makes no sense.

Ukraine is a steppe country that was always easily penetrated by numerous Turkic nomads with whom local Slavs had historically close contacts. Their admixture is more recent and has nothing to do with the Tataro-Mongol yoke. Russia is quite different for the most part due to its landscapes. People in North and Central Russia never came in such a close contact with Turkics except for limited occasions in wartime. As for Tataro-Mongols, it's a fact that their devastating raids caused reducing of the Asian traits among the Russians to the contrary of popular belief. The population of many areas was completely wiped out and those areas were repopulated only centuries later by the Slavic newcomers from the west. While the first settlers assimilated quite a bunch of the local natives, the substitution was obviously completely Slavic. It's very logical actually.

And how about Aleksandr Blok's poem? A ethnic Russian admiting Russians are Mongols.

Yes, a poet shows up as an expert with a final judgement in historical and athropological affairs. First of all, Scythians weren't slit-eyed Asians, but this fact wasn't known yet by the time Blok wrote his poem.

[d3cimat3d]

Ukraine is a steppe country that was always easily penetrated by numerous Turkic nomads

Fool, those Turkic nomads in Ukraine WERE the Scythians only with a Turkic ruling class, unless you can explain to me why 1 Seljuk tribe in Anatolia had a much bigger genetic impact than 20 Turkic tribes north of the Black sea?


The population of many areas was completely wiped out

Not true, even on the steppe there are plenty of pockets of forests to hide in.


. First of all, Scythians weren't slit-eyed Asians, but this fact wasn't known yet by the time Blok wrote his poem.

Like you would know what the Scythians were like. :lol: As I said it's pretty clear the Scythians were a mix of Andronovo north Europids and BMAC west Asians.

Scythian Ukrainian:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2gtqcsh.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/w1pwlh.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/fp6r2e.jpg

[Pallantides]

Many slavs have some Asian influence, but then again so do many Scandinavians and even some central Europeans. It's really not that big a deal.

It's a drop in the sea for most of the populations.


Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian averages from Dodecad

Northeast Asian

Russian 6.3%
Finnish_D 5.9%
FIN 5.6%
Russia_D 3.4%
Norwegian_D 0.7%
Hungarians 0.6%
Georgians 0.5%
Swedish_D 0.5%
Polish_D 0.1%
German_D 0.1%

Southeast Asian

Russian 1%
Russia_D 0.8%
Finnish_D 0.8%
Georgians 0.4%
FIN 0.3%
Hungarians 0.3%
Norwegian_D 0.1%
Swedish_D 0.1%
Polish_D 0%
German_D 0%

[Dr. van Winkle]

Admixture rates for Georgians from Dienekes' K12a spreadsheet of population averages (updated in December 2011):

Caucasus 73.4%
North European 14.3%
Gedrosian 7.8%
Mediterranean 2.1%
Siberian 0.7%
Southwest Asian 0.7%
East Asian 0.4%
South Asian 0.4%
Southeast Asian 0.2%

Source (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/12/first-analysis-of-metspalu-et-al-2011.html)

[Pallantides]

It's a drop in the sea for most of the populations.


Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian averages from Dodecad



Norwegian_D 0.7%



It's the West Norwegians who lower the score(they are pretty much 0%), if it was just East Norwegians we could have up to 2%

[Dr. van Winkle]

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5894/model2q.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9956/model3m.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2866/modelp.jpg

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1017/annagurji.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/6535/younglovelygeorgianwoma.jpg

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2900/merabninidze.jpg

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/7149/georgian1.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6358/georgianoldwoman.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6279/georgianmanv.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9512/georgian2.jpg

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9740/melua.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5244/mananamenabde.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5244/mananamenabde.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8476/2d8948c1f325.jpg

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4880/tbilisigeorgia185cm1.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

Quite representative but a bit too Pontid influenced and lacking Alpine for an average.

[billErobreren]

fucking love this:)

kLGx6VD4yFo

[Padre Organtino]

fucking love this:)

kLGx6VD4yFo

Yeah, Georgian cinema used to be great along with Georgian football. RIP.

[Padre Organtino]

While we're at it here are some Georgian (or of Georgian origin) filmmakers/actors:

Bakur Bakuradze

http://kinote.info/system/images/images/12000/beveled_vertical-06cf87e2daccf05d3027bca64f9c6317.jpg?1307885384

George Ovashvili

http://www.dugrainademoudre.net/FESTIVALS/2009/competition/longs/im/GeorgeOvashvili.jpg

Gela Babluani

http://pix.timeout.ru/232199.jpeg

Otar Ioseliani

http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/otar-iosseliani.jpg

Merab Ninidze (with Chulpan)

http://img.dni.ru/binaries/v2_articlepic/233174.jpg

[hajduk]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Traditional_dress,_mtshketoba.jpg/800px-Traditional_dress,_mtshketoba.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-80B_DVp6w4U/TdjOE6V7VSI/AAAAAAAAALQ/ifcq1S-71u0/s1600/IMG_3455.JPG

Does the blonde woman look Georgian Padre Agrippa had doubts

[Padre Organtino]

She is not Georgian. I'm sure. We have quite a few depigmented people (like my cousin for example) but they have different facial traits.

[billErobreren]

Yeah, Georgian cinema used to be great along with Georgian football. RIP.

How tragic:(

[Padre Organtino]

How tragic:(

Well, it was not sustainable in some way - Georgia was too heavily susbsidized by Soviet Union and had economy that did not support itself.

And here's also my fav actress (by looks) Lika Kavzharadze

http://i025.radikal.ru/0803/31/45df76701ef0.jpg

[eviline]

i love her amazing my friend looks a little bit her i think this blonde is georgian but she has dyad hair in georgia who has blonde hair is going brown my english sucks : DDDDDd

georgian rock music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SscaSCZ1Umk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewQ-mZFYa-s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGL6j1oE_Qg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Glgtcj-Ug&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHp0CHfTWFM&feature=related

[eviline]

street style http://angel.ge/index.php?newsid=89829

national http://angel.ge/index.php?newsid=87887

[beaver]

Only two Russians in two commmands.

[eviline]

what? my favorite georgian not only one like her amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glM_UUP8dcw

[beaver]

what? my favorite georgian not only one like her amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glM_UUP8dcw
I can point to both Russians in the Georgian commandos, if you want.

[eviline]

ok no problem
they are my favorites too

http://angel.ge/index.php?newsid=88095
http://angel.ge/index.php?newsid=58776

i dont know how to post normal pics

[Mosov]

This guy was half Armenian half Georgian:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Zurab_zhavnia_senate.JPG

[Olika]

http://tradiciimira.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/obichai_gruzinov.jpg
http://nacmen.ru/images/photos/16e9d1fceccb562fd926077ea43592ca.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/1112/c1/5d038e5e6571.jpg
http://i058.radikal.ru/0911/63/31d9ba075984.jpg

[eviline]

http://tradiciimira.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/obichai_gruzinov.jpg
http://nacmen.ru/images/photos/16e9d1fceccb562fd926077ea43592ca.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/1112/c1/5d038e5e6571.jpg
http://i058.radikal.ru/0911/63/31d9ba075984.jpg

thank you nice pictures

[eviline]

This guy was half Armenian half Georgian:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Zurab_zhavnia_senate.JPG

armenian? i knew that he was half jew in wiki is written so

[Mosov]

armenian? i knew that he was half jew in wiki is written so

Wikipedia is wrong. He is half-Armenian. I guess just trying to cover it up lol.

[hajduk]

..
..

[eviline]

i have many nice pics and i dont know how upload please tell me how upload

[Dr. van Winkle]

i have many nice pics and i dont know how upload please tell me how upload

Go to one of these image hosting websites and upload your picture(s), then copy and paste the direct link:

http://imageshack.us/
http://tinypic.com/

[eviline]

http://oi39.tinypic.com/350l5hy.jpg
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zokh9w&s=5 xevsuretian dress
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ak9sfq&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=riydmx&s=5 acharian dress
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fofznd&s=5 my fav picture

vainaxs north caucasus
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wrjdhh&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1h4jcw&s=5
http://oi41.tinypic.com/156tjr4.jpg
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=53qp8m&s=5

[PBachman]

Nice pictures! :D

You can also right click and "copy Image URL" then go to the box where you type replies in. Once there hit the "insert image button". It is square with an image of twin peaks of mountains (like Ararat). Then paste the Image URL in between like:

insert image URL here

[Capricornus]

Karelian Georgian

http://i061.radikal.ru/1202/8f/d1044571aee5.gif

[Svartálfar]

http://msy.gov.ge/uniInc.php?mode=img&src_jpg=files/categoris/saministros%20siaxleebi/2011/JUL/DSC_6915_(1).jpg&im_new_w=500

http://msy.gov.ge/files/categoris/olimp_sax/frenburti/sep/frenburti_kartvela.1.JPG

http://volleyball.ge/uploads/posts/2011-07/1311017962_265482_201099736603565_100001106218237_ 503432_4909669_o.jpg

[sandro]

nikoloz tskitishvili
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-68-1177799063.jpg

[sandro]

http://atb.ge/uploads/news_82178.jpg

[sandro]

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/39475_137481796287952_137481706287961_158897_32813 00_n.jpg

[sandro]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/40611_137492549620210_137481706287961_159041_38335 96_n.jpg

[sandro]

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/39083_137488762953922_137481706287961_159020_19694 13_n.jpg

[sandro]

zaza pachulia
http://sportall.ambebi.ge/images/new_photo/QARTULI/BASKETBALL/Legion/zazapachulia/zaza-pachulia-053453454354.jpg

[sandro]

http://basketsession.com/files/2011/05/pachulia1.jpg

[sandro]

tornike shengelia
http://msy.gov.ge/uniInc.php?mode=img&src_jpg=files/categoris/xuriko/kalatburti/shengelia-12-gbf.jpg&im_new_w=290

[sandro]

lasha gamkrelidze
http://www.gbf.ge/gal_images/732.jpg

[sandro]

http://sportall.ambebi.ge/images/new_photo/QARTULI/BASKETBALL/Legion/giorgi-gamkrelidze-000123.jpg

[sandro]

giorgi tsintsadze
http://sportall.ambebi.ge/images/stories/photo/Basket/Kartuli/bas-cinca-ttu-1_big.jpg

[sandro]

Vika sanikidze
http://internet.ge/v2/news_images/200908213804.jpg

[sandro]

kristine imedadze
http://droni.ge/img/multimedia/a6830.jpg

[sandro]

dudu dadiani
http://www.nplg.gov.ge/dadiani/Images/dududadiani.jpg
http://www.ambebi.ge/images/pictures/politika/dudu2.jpg

[sandro]

zura kipshidze
http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/1006/b2/b17cb41cd805.jpg
http://rezoshatakishvili.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/zurauzrazura1.jpg
http://rezoshatakishvili.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/zura-kipshidze-roca-ayvavda-nushi.jpg
http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/kogda-zacvel-mindal-avi_002578320.jpg

[sandro]

levan abashidze
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0kehFS3PX2E/TamfPXuolHI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/3N9PV4acLWM/s1600/Levani-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kXkM1DC9Rbs/Tans1uvsUZI/AAAAAAAAAIg/BdrOlWc8N7A/s1600/m83k6.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_mSQmeT12Yk/TantECTG4BI/AAAAAAAAAIk/VJ0zIXOeBcc/s1600/743390.jpg

[AFC_Lad]

great pics.. ooh and i love katie melue (not sure how you spell her name) but she is gorgeous.. i remember having a chat with a georgian online, but he reluctantly told me that out of all the states in the region, Georgians intermingled with the Russians the most..

[sandro]

http://b.pix.ge:81/o/ermqg.jpg

[sandro]

but he reluctantly told me that out of all the states in the region, Georgians intermingled with the Russians the most..
I do not know what he meant ?

[sandro]

http://forum.ge/uploads/post-20-1300892198.jpg

[sandro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ka/d/d0/Zurab_ingorokva.jpg

[AFC_Lad]

I do not know what he meant ?

it was a while back so i cant retrieve it word for word, but what he meant was, that many Georgians or some, have partial Russian ancestry, nonetheless because of hostilities with Russia many Georgians are reluctant to admit it.. this is what he was trying to point out.. regardless of this, i think i can sort of picture a distinct georgian look regardless of the mixing with russians, turks, mongoloids etc... so its all good :thumb001:

[sandro]

niko gomelauri
http://s003.radikal.ru/i202/1004/61/e9ff54d6b8b2.jpg
http://internet.ge/v2/news_images/201004152906.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oODAP51Y9AU/TBzQeVM9G0I/AAAAAAAAANU/t-NmxJwF_CA/s1600/f9ab9006ff71.jpg
http://www.ambebi.ge/images/pictures/shoubiz/qartuli/msaxiobebi/niko-gomelauri.jpg
R.I.P.:cry

[sandro]

it was a while back so i cant retrieve it word for word, but what he meant was, that many Georgians or some, have partial Russian ancestry, nonetheless because of hostilities with Russia many Georgians are reluctant to admit it.. this is what he was trying to point out.. regardless of this, i think i can sort of picture a distinct georgian look regardless of the mixing with russians, turks, mongoloids etc... so its all good :thumb001:

i'll upload only pure georgians their ancestors are georgians.

[AFC_Lad]

i'll upload only pure georgians their ancestors are georgians.

cheers mate :) I wasn't saying that Georgians are Russians by the way.. God no haha.. I was just stating that the convo I had, the Georgian individual told me that some Georgians usually keep their partial Russian ancestry discrete..

Do Many Georgians in Georgia dislike Russia, or isit just a political type of thing?

[sandro]

the main anthropological types in georgia: caucasian ,Middle asian, caspian.
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-66-1144056236.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

cheers mate :) I wasn't saying that Georgians are Russians by the way.. God no haha.. I was just stating that the convo I had, the Georgian individual told me that some Georgians usually keep their partial Russian ancestry discrete..

Do Many Georgians in Georgia dislike Russia, or isit just a political type of thing?

Actually most are fine with Russians and relatively friendly. Russian Government is another issue.

[sandro]

cheers mate :) I wasn't saying that Georgians are Russians by the way.. God no haha.. I was just stating that the convo I had, the Georgian individual told me that some Georgians usually keep their partial Russian ancestry discrete..

Do Many Georgians in Georgia dislike Russia, or isit just a political type of thing?

not many

[sandro]

http://miyvars.ge/uploads/posts/2011-05/1305548257_4e8fd6ae2265.jpg

[sandro]

gio nemsadze
http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0902/59/360a7ea3b92c.jpg

[sandro]

http://image.geotorrents.com/images/osn0xbwgnyrq3oo0eb.png

[sandro]

David‑Targamadze
http://s017.radikal.ru/i423/1201/17/44180d3e2447.jpg

[sandro]

sandro kobakhidze
http://fanebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/kobakhidze.jpg?9d7bd4

[Jack B]

http://cdn0.virgin.com/uploads/images/story/Katie-Melua-2229-cropped.jpg

http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens1529071_1295305362katiemelua.jpg

Katie Melua is very nice.

[Dr. van Winkle]

A question for the Georgian members:

Is this a correct translation of the four types shown in the picture? I've tried my best to decipher it, although I can't write or speak Georgian.

First row: Caucasian (Caucasionid), Hither Asiatic (Armenoid)
Second row: Pontic (Pontid), Caspian (Turanid)


the main anthropological types in georgia: caucasian ,Middle asian, caspian.
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-66-1144056236.jpg

Thanks a lot for sharing this picture. I've seen it before somewhere.

[Padre Organtino]

A question for the Georgian members:

Is this a correct translation of the four types shown in the picture? I've tried my best to decipher it, although I can't write or speak Georgian.

First row: Caucasian (Caucasionid), Hither Asiatic (Armenoid)
Second row: Pontic (Pontid), Caspian (Turanid)



Thanks a lot for sharing this picture. I've seen it before somewhere.

Almost. Caspian is not Turanid but rather a population type (Soviet anthro school favoured population aproach over morthological one). So it's something like Iranid/EastMed with some Armenoid.

[Dr. van Winkle]

Almost. Caspian is not Turanid but rather a population type (Soviet anthro school favoured population aproach over morthological one). So it's something like Iranid/EastMed with some Armenoid.

Ok, maybe you are right. Still, this man's face reminded me of some Central Asian Turks but there is of course Iranid/EastMed influence in Central Asia, as well as Turanid influence in Azerbaijan, which both has to be taken into account. His nose is rather small.

What population does the second face in the top row represent?

[Padre Organtino]

Ok, maybe you are right. Still, this man's face reminded me of some Central Asian Turks but there is of course Iranid/EastMed influence in Central Asia, as well as Turanid influence in Azerbaijan, which both has to be taken into account. His nose is rather small.

What population does the second face in the top row represent?

That's just Mtebid/Armenoid. It's quite common among Eastern and Southern Georgians. As for Turanid elements - you can find them but they are rather infrequent. I do have few relatives that show Turanid influences but that's about all.

[sandro]

http://i56.tinypic.com/28akpkj.jpg
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-68-1316979863.jpg

[sandro]

http://forum.ge/uploads/post-68-1231688552.jpg

[sandro]

http://worldsport.ge/sms/nominants/pp_22.jpg

[sandro]

http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/1110/9f/7ffdd8012cd5.jpg
http://fanebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Kenia.jpg?9d7bd4

[sandro]

http://sana.ge/admin/upload/8214.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.presa.ge/new/img/multimedia/a12722.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

A good sample. A bit skewed towards Western part of the country but still representative overall.

[sandro]

http://www.presa.ge/new/img/multimedia/a6104.jpg

[sandro]

http://i056.radikal.ru/1002/41/db7eb075bfa1.jpg

[sandro]

http://internet.ge/v2/news_images/201103174404.jpg

[sandro]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3926/vardiashvilititedaana.jpg
http://s016.radikal.ru/i337/1104/bd/21300a322e8c.jpg

[sandro]

http://a.pix.ge:81/a/tesit.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.sofeli.com/img/thumbs/bfi1326578144s.png
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/35/4d97247394fc49c5a0b63773c1ff9773/l.jpg

[AFC_Lad]

http://a.pix.ge:81/a/tesit.jpg

there are only two nations i can imagine this distinct look exist in, and it's Georgia, and Armenia.. looks like a very noble look!

[sandro]

http://adjaratv.ge/ge/photos/37177.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.geonews.ge/uploads/images/4235gigi%20wereteli.jpg

[sandro]

http://a.pix.ge:81/d/v2gki.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.geonews.ge/uploads/images/6877guram-chaxvadze.jpg

[sandro]

http://socmedia.ge/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/baqradze-290x290.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.ambebi.ge/images/pictures/politika/opozicia/batiashvili3.jpg

[sandro]

http://adjaratv.ge/ge/photos/36826.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.geonews.ge/uploads/images/4649kublashvili7.jpg

[sandro]

http://atb.ge/uploads/news_1_78328.jpg

[sandro]

http://internet.ge/v2/news_images/201001261504.jpg

[sandro]

http://ajaratv.ge/ge/photos/36091.jpg

[sandro]

http://tribuna.ge/eng/images/stories/personebi/levan_berzenishvili.jpg

[sandro]

http://b.pix.ge:81/t/xhe8t.jpg

[sandro]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ab3UGhOGPqE/SbdL50hG0NI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/Vr3fM5r4e-I/s400/saakhair.jpg

[sandro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Davit_Kezerashvili.jpg/220px-Davit_Kezerashvili.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/batumi57/pic/0002wy3c/s320x240
http://geotimes.ge/uploads_script/news/c9680e9af7d2883.jpg

[sandro]

http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/shota-me1839be1839fe18390e18395e18390e1839ce18390e183abe 18394.jpg

[sandro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ka/thumb/9/97/მესხი.jpg/220px-მესხი.jpg

[sandro]

http://georgians.ge/nikoloz_surguladze.jpg

[sandro]

http://forum.ge/uploads/post-66-1136887417.jpg

[Padre Organtino]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/Davit_Kezerashvili.jpg/220px-Davit_Kezerashvili.jpg

Kezerashvili is not ethnic Georgian.

[sandro]

http://ruscarts.ru/content/pictures/shop/files/img_16532_1.jpeg

[sandro]

http://s007.radikal.ru/i301/1011/a7/9c3ce8870c5e.jpg

[sandro]

http://i081.radikal.ru/1011/20/2668cc75fa67.jpg

[sandro]

http://s44.radikal.ru/i105/1011/34/ecb63796deb5.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uRckLXxNzNA/TbcTrce7DpI/AAAAAAAAAQo/B7JIFTQpOEo/s1600/DSC02524.JPG

[sandro]

http://alazani.ge/forum/uploads/1210593738/gallery_6_11_5988.jpg

[sandro]

http://beroma.users.photofile.ru/photo/beroma/96174601/113107349.jpg

[Olika]

Irakli Pirtskhalava Russian singer.he is of Georgian descent.
http://v.img.com.ua/b/300x200/6/80/a35e2f4a3fa64ee63ab18d8072b3a806.jpg
http://www.newsmusic.ru/uploads/i/i/irakli.jpg
http://a.passion.ru/new/53/2004i.jpg

[sandro]

http://i021.radikal.ru/0712/e9/47a428824788.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d25FMHim5Ls/SxQgaX42b3I/AAAAAAAABEs/TIhjKTHYF38/s1600/post-29-1229246645.jpg

[sandro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Lazs_in_1900s.jpg
http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/post-49-1102273204.jpg

[sandro]

http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/khevsur.jpg?w=700&h=
http://svanetitrekking.ge/svan/laws/06.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0810/b7/05f2b90a97fd.jpg
http://mtavari.ge/uploads/gallery/main/1/6d54ffb78bcc.jpg

[sandro]

http://mtavari.ge/uploads/gallery/main/1/8593e165a048.jpg
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-95-1246651246.jpg
http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/000111bf
http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00012dsk

[sandro]

http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00013yrq
http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00016e3s
http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00017raa
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3857/dscn1593t.jpg

[sandro]

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2118/94472371.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9647/razmi.jpg
http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/e18391e18390e183a2e1839de1839ce18398e183a8e18395e1 8398e1839ae18398-e18390e1839ae18394e183a5e183a1e18390e1839ce18393e1 83a0e18394-1770-1843.jpg

[sandro]

http://mtavari.ge/uploads/gallery/comthumb/1/8d47f4b7dbfd.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.chveneburi.net/tr/userfiles/image/Edebiyat/1708_a_kazbegi_b.jpg

[iraklii]

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[beaver]

sandro I found only two (and maybe one :) ) Georgians on the upper (on the page) pic
примерно полтора грузина там :)

[iraklii]

they are all georgians dont understan what you are saying

[iraklii]

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[sandro]

iraklii patara suratebs rato deb?

[sandro]

sandro I found only two (and maybe one :) ) Georgians on the upper (on the page) pic
примерно полтора грузина там :)

what do you mean ? they are all georgians.

[beaver]

they are all georgians dont understan what you are saying
iraklii, they are not Georgians, they are Kuban cossacks or, maybe, some North Caucasians. The only true Georgian sits in the centre.

[beaver]

what do you mean ? they are all georgians.
ok, if you want, consider them Georgian.

[sandro]

iraklii, they are not Georgians, they are Kuban cossacks or, maybe, some North Caucasians. The only true Georgian sits in the centre.

who they ?

[iraklii]

i really dont care what you say

[beaver]

i really dont care what you say
good position

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they are contestans of mister georgia

[iraklii]

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[sandro]

good position

insert link whom you think that they aren't georgians.

[sandro]

beaver you meant riders?

[beaver]

who they ?
I already wrote - all, except the man in the center of the pic and maybe the guy to right. If you insist that they all are Georgians please remember that I wisited all Western Caucasus many times and know how Swans, Karachais, Abhasians and Georgians look in the reality.

[sandro]

beaver you meant them?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d25FMHim5Ls/SxQgaX42b3I/AAAAAAAABEs/TIhjKTHYF38/s1600/post-29-1229246645.jpg

[beaver]

beaver you meant them?
No,no. I meant the group photo on the top of the previous page and only it. No problems with this photo - normal Georgians :)

[iraklii]

I already wrote - all, except the man in the center of the pic and maybe the guy to right. If you insist that they all are Georgians please remember that I wisited all Western Caucasus many times and know how Swans, Karachais, Abhasians and Georgians look in the reality.

svans are georgians i really dont care what your people are saying they are all georgians they are contestants of mister georgia

[sandro]

I already wrote - all, except the man in the center of the pic and maybe the guy to right. If you insist that they all are Georgians please remember that I wisited all Western Caucasus many times and know how Swans, Karachais, Abhasians and Georgians look in the reality.

and even after this visite you can't clear who is georgian and who isn't.

[iraklii]

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[sandro]

beaver post #173?

[iraklii]

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[sandro]

beaver
they?
http://forum.ge/uploads/post-95-1246651246.jpg

[beaver]

and even after this visite you can't clear who is georgian and who isn't.
I can. I can even describe Swans from the Kodor gorge (the top). No problems.

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[iraklii]

I can. I can even describe Swans from the Kodor gorge (the top). No problems.

why were you in kodor?

[beaver]

sandro
I have no claims about other photos, only that

[sandro]

sandro
I have no claims about other photos, only that

show me that picture please.:(

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[beaver]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32400&page=18
Sandro, I meant the pic on the top of this page

[sandro]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32400&page=18
Sandro, I meant the pic on the top of this page

http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00013yrq

they are from region tusheti ,tushs.

[beaver]

they are from region tusheti ,tushs.
Yes, this pic. Only the man in the center looks really Georgian, all other - are Russian Cossacks (Kuban)

[sandro]

Yes, this pic. Only the man in the center looks really Georgian, all other - are Russian Cossacks (Kuban)

no, you're mistaken ,they all are georgians from tusheti .you can visit http://www.batsav.com/pages/photographs.htm

[beaver]

dear sandro, I will visit the site, but i will stay on the same point, talking about Georgia, Armenia. (I love Georgia and Armenia)

[sandro]

dear sandro, I will visit the site, but i will stay on the same point, talking about Georgia, Armenia.
(I love Georgia and Armenia)
because they have light hair and eyes?

[sandro]

ok , you can stay on your opinion ,but don't forget to visit the site

[beaver]

no, you're mistaken ,they all are georgians from tusheti .you can visit
I trust you more or less but I can trust fooly to some superpower, not to the some passing along the street in New-York

[sandro]

http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_07.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_08.jpg
http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_20.jpg
http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_25.jpg
http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_26.jpg

[sandro]

http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/JPG_mikeladze_32.jpg
http://www.batsav.com/images/myphotos/web_b1_06.jpg

[beaver]

because they have light hair and eyes?
I would consider all Georgians - blondes and durk

[beaver]

sandro
I see only one non-Georgian on the pic and I can be mistaken

[beaver]

Вообще, знатные хлопцы, другой вопрос - могли ли они противостоять батьке Махно на тот момент.

[iraklii]

dear sandro, I will visit the site, but i will stay on the same point, talking about Georgia, Armenia. (I love Georgia and Armenia)

what the fucking do you whant? georgia, armenia are different countries i dont care what russian subhumans are saing

[sandro]

Вообще, знатные хлопцы, другой вопрос - могли ли они противостоять батьке Махно на тот момент.

батьке Махно?Кто он такой?

[iraklii]

I would consider all Georgians - blondes and durk

some are blonde what the problem do you have? all are not blonde fuck russia :rolleyes:

[iraklii]

батьке Махно?Кто он такой?
dont talk with him he is russian :rolleyes:

[iraklii]

western georgians are more light haired they are from western georgian
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[beaver]

батьке Махно?Кто он такой?
You have been banned in Google?
Душа моя, изучите историю русской революции, пока вас кто-нибудь в грязное корыто не засунет.

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[beaver]

батьке Махно?Кто он такой?
Сандро, я поверить не могу, что грузины реально такие идиоты, что про батьку Махно не знают.Где вы живете? В Лос-Анджелесе, Майами, Бостоне? Есть Падре, в конце концов, он грузин унд точно знает про батьку Махно. Падре, Вы знаете про Махно?

[iraklii]

who is maxno? i am really interested

[beaver]

who is maxno? i am really interested
If you are interested go to google and tape Mahno. Is this something difficult?

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[beaver]

Real Georgian, not Kuban Cossack as on that pic

[iraklii]

yes i think so too that he is typicall georgian

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[Padre Organtino]

cosssack? he is georgian designer david koma he dosnot looks like slavic why have russian paranoia that when somebody has light eyes es slavic

Beaver on teh contrarary said David Koma looked very Georgian to him. He expressed doubt in some guy you posted before. Try to read carefully before bashing people.

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[iraklii]

Beaver on teh contrarary said David Koma looked very Georgian to him. He expressed doubt in some guy you posted before. Try to read carefully before bashing people.

ah excuse me i read that he said that he looked cosaack yes david koma really looks like typical georgian

[beaver]

cosssack? he is georgian designer david koma he dosnot looks like slavic why have russian paranoia that when somebody has light eyes es slavic

Why you are getting so angry? I only wrote that yes, the guy is quite Georgian for me, not like that Kuban cossacks on the that pic, what we discussed yesterday.

[iraklii]

i understand wrong i understand that you said that he looks like cossack exscuse me yes he is very georgian to me too

[beaver]

i understand wrong i understand that you said that he looks like cossack exscuse me yes he is very georgian to me too
I really cannot understand why this photo was positioned like Georgian? All other pics - ok, no problems - true Georgians.
But on this photo I see Kuban Cossacks and only one Georgian.

[iraklii]

http://pics.livejournal.com/galski/pic/00013yrq

they are from region tusheti ,tushs.

why do you think that they look cossacks? man on right looks something slavic but in my eyes others dont looks like slavic

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[beaver]

why do you think that they look cossacks? man on right looks something slavic but in my eyes others dont looks like slavic
I cannot explain but I see only one true Georgian on the photo - in the center, all others are Cossacks for sure. There were another photos yesterday - all was going ok with them - true Georgians. The problem only with this pic.

[Lisa]

Black sea and West Georgian type of Caucasus
http://i049.radikal.ru/1202/7f/31cdde6b0ed1.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

East and South Georgian type of Caucasus
http://s16.radikal.ru/i191/1202/dc/ae9afae67f0b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Padre Organtino]

Black sea and West Georgian type of Caucasus
http://i049.radikal.ru/1202/7f/31cdde6b0ed1.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

East and South Georgian type of Caucasus
http://s16.radikal.ru/i191/1202/dc/ae9afae67f0b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Soviet anthroschool with its typological approach is to say the least not very scientific.:thumbs up
The only guy that looks more or less close to reality is 107. Not to mention that this does not account for various Georgians Mountainers.

[beaver]

Black sea and West Georgian type of Caucasus
You didnt not see so many Caucasuses as I could. Вы - чайник - в лучшем случае.

[sandro]

http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/39635_137929382907906_100000725359474_236125_73281 46_n.jpg
http://burusi.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/e18392e183a3e183a0e18390e1839be18398-8-e183ace1839ae18398e183a1-e18390e183a1e18390e18399e183a8e18398.jpg?w=370&h=