NEW three papers with ancient Levant genomes

[Lucas]

Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia,Northern Levant, and Southern Caucasus
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30509-2


https://i.imgur.com/GfOHuEQ.png

Here, we report genome-wide data analyses from 110 ancient Near Eastern individuals spanning the Late Neolithic to Late Bronze Age, a period characterized by intense interregional interactions for the Near East. We find that 6 th millennium BCE populations of North/Central Anatolia and the Southern Caucasus shared mixed ancestry on a genetic cline that formed during the Neolithic between Western Anatolia and regions in today’s Southern Caucasus/Zagros. During the Late Chalcolithic and/or the Early Bronze Age, more than half of the Northern Levantine gene pool was replaced, while in the rest of Anatolia and the Southern Caucasus, we document genetic continuity with only transient gene flow. Additionally, we reveal a genetically distinct individual within the Late Bronze Age Northern Levant. Overall, our study uncovers multiple scales of population dynamics through time, from extensive admixture during the Neolithic period to long-distance mobility within the globalized societies of the Late Bronze Age.






The Genomic History of the BronzeAge Southern Levant


https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2020_AgranatTamir_Cell_Levant_Bronze_Age_0.pdf


We report genome-wide DNA data for 73 individuals from five archaeological sites across the Bronze and IronAges Southern Levant. These individuals, who share the ‘‘Canaanite’’ material culture, can be modeled as de-scending from two sources: (1) earlier local Neolithic populations and (2) populations related to the ChalcolithicZagrosorthe Bronze Age Caucasus.The non-local contributionincreased over time,as evinced by three outlierswho can be modeled as descendants of recent migrants. We show evidence that different ‘‘Canaanite’’ groupsgenetically resemble each other more than other populations. We find that Levant-related modern populationstypically have substantial ancestry coming from populations related to the Chalcolithic Zagros and the BronzeAge Southern Levant. These groups also harbor ancestry from sources we cannot fully model with the availabledata, highlighting the critical role of post-Bronze-Age migrations into the region over the past 3,000 years.

https://i.imgur.com/vUd9VsS.png

[Ion Basescul]

Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia,Northern Levant, and Southern Caucasus
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30509-2


https://i.imgur.com/GfOHuEQ.png

Here, we report genome-wide data analyses from 110 ancient Near Eastern individuals spanning the Late Neolithic to Late Bronze Age, a period characterized by intense interregional interactions for the Near East. We find that 6 th millennium BCE populations of North/Central Anatolia and the Southern Caucasus shared mixed ancestry on a genetic cline that formed during the Neolithic between Western Anatolia and regions in today’s Southern Caucasus/Zagros. During the Late Chalcolithic and/or the Early Bronze Age, more than half of the Northern Levantine gene pool was replaced, while in the rest of Anatolia and the Southern Caucasus, we document genetic continuity with only transient gene flow. Additionally, we reveal a genetically distinct individual within the Late Bronze Age Northern Levant. Overall, our study uncovers multiple scales of population dynamics through time, from extensive admixture during the Neolithic period to long-distance mobility within the globalized societies of the Late Bronze Age.






The Genomic History of the BronzeAge Southern Levant


https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2020_AgranatTamir_Cell_Levant_Bronze_Age_0.pdf


We report genome-wide DNA data for 73 individuals from five archaeological sites across the Bronze and IronAges Southern Levant. These individuals, who share the ‘‘Canaanite’’ material culture, can be modeled as de-scending from two sources: (1) earlier local Neolithic populations and (2) populations related to the ChalcolithicZagrosorthe Bronze Age Caucasus.The non-local contributionincreased over time,as evinced by three outlierswho can be modeled as descendants of recent migrants. We show evidence that different ‘‘Canaanite’’ groupsgenetically resemble each other more than other populations. We find that Levant-related modern populationstypically have substantial ancestry coming from populations related to the Chalcolithic Zagros and the BronzeAge Southern Levant. These groups also harbor ancestry from sources we cannot fully model with the availabledata, highlighting the critical role of post-Bronze-Age migrations into the region over the past 3,000 years.

https://i.imgur.com/vUd9VsS.png

Actually 3

A Genetic History of the Near East from an aDNA Time Course Sampling Eight Points in the Past 4,000 Years

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0002-9297%2820%2930155-5

[Lucas]

Yes, I changed title to three:)

[Leto]

Actually 3

A Genetic History of the Near East from an aDNA Time Course Sampling Eight Points in the Past 4,000 Years

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0002-9297%2820%2930155-5
Abstract

The Iron and Classical Ages in the Near East were marked by population expansions carrying cultural transformations that shaped human history, but the genetic impact of these events on the people who lived through them is little-known. Here, we sequenced the whole genomes of 19 individuals who each lived during one of four time periods between 800 BCE and 200 CE in Beirut on the Eastern Mediterranean coast at the center of the ancient world’s great civilizations. We combined these data with published data to traverse eight archaeological periods and observed any genetic changes as they arose. During the Iron Age (1000 BCE), people with Anatolian and South-East European ancestry admixed with people in the Near East. The region was then conquered by the Persians (539 BCE), who facilitated movement exemplified in Beirut by an ancient family with Egyptian-Lebanese admixed members. But the genetic impactat a population level does not appear until the time of Alexander the Great (beginning 330 BCE), when a fusion of Asian and Near East-erner ancestry can be seen, paralleling the cultural fusion that appears in the archaeological records from this period. The Romans then conquered the region (31 BCE) but had little genetic impact over their 600 years of rule. Finally, during the Ottoman rule (beginning 1516 CE), Caucasus-related ancestry penetrated the Near East. Thus, in the past 4,000 years, three limited admixture events detectably impacted the population, complementing the historical records of this culturally complex region dominated by the elite with genetic insights from the general population.

[Peterski]

(...)

I already have them processed. Here are some Dodecad K12b results, pretty interesting:


SFI-11,11.75,0,7.57,0,9.74,0.21,0,0.36,27.43,2.72,39.4 0,0.83
SFI-12,2.32,0,6.32,0.57,13.79,1.08,2.80,0,23.19,0,49.9 2,0
SFI-15,10.15,0.30,4.16,0.35,12.76,0,0,1.16,26.69,0.23, 43.59,0.61
SFI-20,11.33,0,5.34,0.82,14.77,0,0,2.81,23.96,0,39.98, 1.00
SFI-24,9.03,0.52,5.42,0,14.03,0,0,1.90,26.58,0,42.05,0 .47
SFI-33,10.33,0.09,4.25,0,14.10,1.55,0.06,1.45,22.26,0. 02,45.51,0.35
SFI-34,4.51,0,4.21,0.70,20.04,0.16,0,1.20,25.55,0,43.4 8,0.16
SFI-35,9.85,0,2.68,0.67,17.11,0,0,3.74,26.03,0,39.55,0 .36
SFI-36,8.23,0.02,8.03,0.05,13.05,0,0,1.57,23.16,0,45.8 9,0
SFI-39,7.17,0,4.33,0,17.33,0.24,0,1.41,23.27,0,45.89,0 .37
SFI-42,10.57,0,3.00,0.63,17.84,0,0.90,0,23.05,0,43.29, 0.72
SFI-43,0.76,0,9.38,1.80,11.12,0,0,7.08,34.39,0,35.46,0
SFI-44,5.47,0,9.37,1.31,12.37,0,0,5.87,27.96,0,37.65,0
SFI-45,8.75,0,5.43,0,16.88,1.75,0,1.48,20.90,0,43.79,1 .01
SFI-47,7.94,0,3.45,0,17.31,0,1.17,2.14,24.92,0,43.08,0
SFI-5,12.09,0,5.84,1.02,14.08,0,0,1.99,20.46,0,44.09,0 .43
SFI-50,5.95,0,2.32,0,18.70,0,0.85,0,24.30,0.17,46.26,1 .46
SFI-55,5.40,0.54,0.11,1.11,13.97,0,0,2.12,28.42,0,47.9 0,0.42
SFI-56,6.86,0,4.79,0.21,14.38,0,0.30,0,34.45,0,37.80,1 .19

Distance to: SFI-56
7.53485899 Palestinian
9.45953487 Jordanians
9.97856202 Syrians

Distance to: SFI-55
7.26002755 Samaritians
7.54074267 Druze
11.71255309 Lebanese

Distance to: SFI-50
7.95610457 Druze
8.90830511 Cypriots
9.76704664 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance to: SFI-5
4.86531602 Nusayri_Turkey
6.29183598 Lebanese
7.82965516 Druze

Distance to: SFI-47
7.84717784 Nusayri_Turkey
7.86215619 Lebanese
8.45853415 Druze

Distance to: SFI-45
4.99723924 Nusayri_Turkey
6.96784759 Lebanese
8.10261686 Druze

Distance to: SFI-44
5.69275856 Palestinian
6.52317407 Jordanians
10.53716281 Lebanese

Distance to: SFI-43
9.30883451 Palestinian
10.49742826 Egyptans
12.45538036 Jordanians

Distance to: SFI-42
5.42454606 Nusayri_Turkey
7.99789972 Lebanese
8.55010526 Druze

Distance to: SFI-39
6.54091737 Druze
7.84786595 Nusayri_Turkey
8.87492535 Lebanese

Distance to: SFI-36
6.48366409 Druze
7.49358392 Lebanese
9.09662025 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance to: SFI-35
7.12475965 Syrians
7.65392056 Lebanese
7.70795044 Jordanians

Distance to: SFI-34
11.04880084 Druze
11.08735767 Cypriots
11.17299423 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance to: SFI-33
4.94022267 Druze
5.17354811 Nusayri_Turkey
5.59452411 Lebanese

Distance to: SFI-24
5.77549998 Lebanese
6.45727497 Jordanians
7.22420238 Syrians

Distance to: SFI-20
5.04102172 Lebanese
6.73304537 Jordanians
7.00930810 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance to: SFI-15
5.70622467 Lebanese
7.04520404 Syrians
7.28980795 Druze

Distance to: SFI-12
7.93296918 Druze
10.24487189 Samaritians
11.19770066 Cypriots

Distance to: SFI-11
6.46659880 Jordanians
7.52375571 Lebanese
8.00037499 Syrians

[Halgurd]

So basically central Asian migrations to the near east were already happening at 6000bc

[Halgurd]

This is very big news. It is strong evidence that those ancient tribes of the Zagros and N. Mesopotamia who are thought to have contributed to the modern Kurdish genome, like the Guti, Lullubi, Hurrian/Mitanni may have had Central Asian origins or at least a heavy Central Asian influence. This would explain why the Mitanni already spoke an Indo Iranian language in that period.

[Nassbean]

And I've been attacked for saying modern jews are different...

[Kamal900]

And I've been attacked for saying modern jews are different...

Actually, both Jews and Arabs derive more than half of their ancestry from the ancient Canaanites:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WcsnQUM7k

[Nassbean]

Actually, both Jews and Arabs derive more than half of their ancestry from the ancient Canaanites:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WcsnQUM7k

well look at their distances they are closer to palestinians,lebaneses, druze, etc so modern levantines are more indigenous than ashkenazim/sephardim. Also these samples lack the big european component that jews have...

[Kamal900]

well look at their distances they are closer to palestinians,lebaneses, druze, etc so modern levantines are more indigenous than ashkenazim/sephardim. Also these samples lack the big european component that jews have...

Yeah, but half of Jewry's genes are from the ancient Canaanites and so on which is true for Palestinians as well. It's just a matter of foreign admixtures, that's all. Like, we're mixed with Arabians and Egyptians while they mixed with the local Southern Europeans.

[Nassbean]

Yeah, but half of Jewry's genes are from the ancient Canaanites and so on which is true for Palestinians as well. It's just a matter of foreign admixtures, that's all. Like, we're mixed with Arabians and Egyptians while they mixed with the local Southern Europeans.

If those samples are still so close to modern levantines it means your arab or egyptian admixture was already there back then while this european admixture wasn't there and will come way later. I never denied that they still have a levantine component but saying that they should be viewed as indigenous as palestinians/lebaneses is wrong and they are certainly not representative of ancient hebrews. Ashkenazim plot close to modern south-east europeans not levantines that means a lot imo

[Halgurd]

And again no y dna E-V13 present or any that is ancestral to E-V13 in the Near East.

[Kamal900]

If those samples are still so close to modern levantines it means your arab or egyptian admixture was already there back then while this european admixture wasn't there and will come way later. I never denied that they still have a levantine component but saying that they should be viewed as indigenous as palestinians/lebaneses is wrong and they are certainly not representative of ancient hebrews. Ashkenazim plot close to modern south-east europeans not levantines that means a lot imo

Hmm, not really, but alright.

[Jana]

Do we have their Ydna/mtdna haplogroups?

[Halgurd]

Do we have their Ydna/mtdna haplogroups?

Only for 1 of the papers (Levant)

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.cell.2020.04.024/attachment/a0a76ee3-7270-455b-8534-ff4b12aa70d4/mmc2

[Dr_Maul]

Cool stuff

[Kyp]

And again no y dna E-V13 present or any that is ancestral to E-V13 in the Near East.

Any R1a?

[Halgurd]

Any R1a?

Nope not in the Levant samples. But I’m assuming that there will be R1a in the other paper, but you have to pay to get full access to see it.

[Daos777]

And again no y dna E-V13 present or any that is ancestral to E-V13 in the Near East.

lol they will never find it.


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[Leto]

And I've been attacked for saying modern jews are different...
The Southern Levant paper says Ashkenazi Jews are ca. 41% Late Neolithic/Bronze Age European

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/e041c539-b3a2-45d6-9ccf-95f93be546d8/figs4.jpg
https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/f8d0941f-39e8-43fd-859f-ba66beed2787/gr5.jpg

[Pine]

If those samples are still so close to modern levantines it means your arab or egyptian admixture was already there back then while this european admixture wasn't there and will come way later. I never denied that they still have a levantine component but saying that they should be viewed as indigenous as palestinians/lebaneses is wrong and they are certainly not representative of ancient hebrews.

This is wrong.


Ashkenazim plot close to modern south-east europeans not levantines that means a lot imo

Lord Balfour: "But sir, where do you plot?"

[Epirus DNA]

And again no y dna E-V13 present or any that is ancestral to E-V13 in the Near East.

No J2 DNA present either

[Pine]

No J2 DNA present either

How did you manage to miss all the J2?

[Jana]

Only for 1 of the papers (Levant)

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.cell.2020.04.024/attachment/a0a76ee3-7270-455b-8534-ff4b12aa70d4/mmc2

Can't open it, mind to say what they found? :)

[Halgurd]

No J2 DNA present either

I4519 (1527 - 1439 calBCE) is J2a1b1

[Pine]

And I've been attacked for saying modern jews are different...

No, you haven't.

[FinalFlash]

This is wrong.



Lord Balfour: "But sir, where do you plot?"

Do you have your coordinates?

[Kyp]

Can't open it, mind to say what they found? :)

Look up your PMs

[Halgurd]

Can't open it, mind to say what they found? :)

Y-DNA mostly J / J1a2b and some E-M123. There is also a few T1 and 1 R1b.

Mtdna is quite mixed, but there’s a lot of N1b1a2 and U3b.

[Nassbean]

The Southern Levant paper says Ashkenazi Jews are ca. 41% Late Neolithic/Bronze Age European

Indeed different compared to those canaanite samples

[Nassbean]

This is wrong.



Lord Balfour: "But sir, where do you plot?"


Hahah little Pine has no argument today. Just read and reread the study I was right since the beginning your people are not representative of ancient canaanites and yes you can brought lord balfour because zionists claim direct continuity with their hebrew ancestors...reality is different.

[Nassbean]

No, you haven't.

You were the first to call me "antisemite" ...

[Epirus DNA]

How did you manage to miss all the J2?

Can you post the J2 samples from the three papers. I've only had time to read one paper thus far and there was no J2.

[Pine]

You were the first to call me "antisemite" ...

You deny Jews the right to self determination in their ancestral homeland and think Judaism is evil. What, you're a good guy because you like bagels?

[Pine]

Can you post the J2 samples from the three papers. I've only had time to read one paper thus far and there was no J2.

Levant-Anatolia paper:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20471-Genomic-History-of-Neolithic-to-Bronze-Age-Anatolia-N-Levant-and-S-Caucasus-2020&p=670740&viewfull=1#post670740

(keep in mind, they may be using old nomenclature)

South Levant paper:

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.cell.2020.04.024/attachment/a0a76ee3-7270-455b-8534-ff4b12aa70d4/mmc2.xlsx (likely using old nomenclature)

Lebanon paper:

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.ajhg.2020.05.008/attachment/34f491ed-18c3-42f4-a183-658345512cde/mmc1.pdf (one of the J samples might be J2)

[Nassbean]

You deny Jews the right to self determination in their ancestral homeland and think Judaism is evil. What, you're a good guy because you like bagels?

Self determination ? As far as I know judaism is a religion and nothing more. They already lived in their own countries and were well integrated. That some jews in eastern europe felt the need to build their country because of persecutions isn't enough to justify the massive deportation and brainwashing of all jews in the world. These jewish communities already lived abroad even before the bar Kokhba revolt and during 2000 years they had the opportunity to come back but they refused ...ask yourself why ?

And I don't really think judaism is evil or that jews are evil I just posted some verses from the Talmud who were quite shocking that's it but we find the same kind of verses in many religions.


I respect those jews certainly not brainwashed zionists :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKplabTRuak

[Pine]

Do you have your coordinates?

(19,48)



Which coordinates?

[FinalFlash]

(19,48)



Which coordinates?

Vahaduo/G25.

[Pine]

Vahaduo/G25.

I got em.

[Halgurd]

Levant-Anatolia paper:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20471-Genomic-History-of-Neolithic-to-Bronze-Age-Anatolia-N-Levant-and-S-Caucasus-2020&p=670740&viewfull=1#post670740

(keep in mind, they may be using old nomenclature)

South Levant paper:

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.cell.2020.04.024/attachment/a0a76ee3-7270-455b-8534-ff4b12aa70d4/mmc2.xlsx (likely using old nomenclature)

Lebanon paper:

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.ajhg.2020.05.008/attachment/34f491ed-18c3-42f4-a183-658345512cde/mmc1.pdf (one of the J samples might be J2)

Presence of E-V65 in Lebanon. At least we now know that E-M78 clades were present in the Near East in that time period.

[FinalFlash]

I got em.

Nice. Do you mind sharing em? I want to fuck around with it for a bit.

[Lucas]

G25 Anatolia&LEvant 2020


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TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004,0.095611,0.144205,-0.060339,-0.097869,-0.012925,-0.033746,-0.00047,-0.006692,-0.002863,0.006014,0.005359,-0.007643,0.008325,0.009634,-0.007193,0.003713,-0.007171,0.003674,0.014078,0.003377,0.006738,0.002 844,-0.003944,-0.003976,0.006826
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA008,0.094473,0.152329,-0.064865,-0.094639,-0.019388,-0.043507,0.00611,-0.004615,0.00409,0.011845,0.00747,-0.001349,0.007879,0.007982,-0.020494,0.001193,-0.012386,-0.005068,0.014581,-0.001751,0.003244,0.0115,-0.002958,0.00494,-0.002515
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011,0.094473,0.14319,-0.059962,-0.095931,-0.016003,-0.023427,0.003055,-0.005538,0.007976,0.013485,0.007307,-0.010191,0.007879,0.009221,-0.006515,-0.009812,-0.007171,0.003041,0.017598,-0.01088,0.000374,0.007666,-0.009737,-0.010122,0.005029
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013,0.093335,0.151314,-0.060716,-0.088502,-0.005539,-0.028726,-0.006815,-0.009461,-0.007567,0.016401,0.010393,-0.00015,0.013379,-0.002064,-0.013979,0,0.004042,0.001394,0.009804,-0.007754,0.004243,0.007172,0.000863,-0.006386,-0.000359
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014,0.093335,0.151314,-0.064111,-0.099161,-0.016618,-0.040718,0.003525,0.001615,0.001636,0.010387,0.010 068,-0.004646,0.009366,0.003028,-0.006786,0.003447,-0.000391,0.005574,0.003897,-0.004002,0.004742,-0.001978,-0.008627,-0.007591,-0.000718
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA015,0.097888,0.148267,-0.065242,-0.0969,-0.018465,-0.033467,0.00047,-0.004846,0.000818,0.007836,0.017863,-0.003297,0.010109,0.008808,-0.010586,0,-0.018775,-0.008235,0.006034,-0.001626,-0.004617,-0.000866,-0.00986,-0.005061,0.001796
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016,0.099026,0.156392,-0.057699,-0.08721,-0.016003,-0.027331,0.006815,-0.004846,-0.011658,0.013485,0.003248,0.005095,0.002825,0.000 688,-0.007736,0.006762,0.003912,0.005954,0.005405,-0.003752,0.009608,0.022505,-0.006162,-0.000843,0.001557
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA017,0.08992,0.159438,-0.060716,-0.10336,-0.009232,-0.041834,0.00094,-0.008538,0.021475,0.016037,-0.002273,-0.010341,0.012339,0.011423,-0.014386,-0.009281,-0.008736,0.014696,0.007919,-0.007754,0.006988,0.009769,-0.001109,-0.010363,0.002515
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018,0.097888,0.140143,-0.053551,-0.070091,-0.030775,-0.036535,-0.001645,-0.001846,-0.013908,0.007472,0.009256,0.002098,0.002676,0.001 789,-0.012079,0.01432,0.014342,-0.00266,0.004274,-0.000125,0.010357,0.001855,-0.011709,-0.005181,0.00012
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020,0.103579,0.142174,-0.059962,-0.078489,-0.025235,-0.021196,0.002585,-0.005538,-0.000818,0.002005,0.00406,-0.003747,0.006987,-0.00055,-0.002036,0.003978,-0.009127,-0.002914,-0.000377,-0.003377,0.005865,0.007543,0.004683,-0.003012,0.002395
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA023,0.104717,0.139128,-0.064488,-0.099807,-0.011079,-0.052153,0.001175,-0.014538,-0.00225,0.011845,0.013803,-0.017534,0.001338,-0.004542,-0.012622,0.022805,0.015776,0.005194,0.008547,0.001 126,-0.005366,0.013478,-0.006655,-0.014098,0.007544
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA024,0.095611,0.138112,-0.079195,-0.094962,-0.016926,-0.022311,0.003055,-0.004846,0.007158,0.012028,-0.005846,0.002248,0.002676,0.019267,-0.02158,0.018032,0.01017,-0.0019,0.002011,-0.007128,0.016471,-0.000124,0.001356,-0.002892,-0.008382
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TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026,0.08992,0.156392,-0.062602,-0.091086,-0.016311,-0.036256,-0.001175,-0.002538,0.005727,0.011845,0.013153,-0.015736,0.013082,0.003991,-0.011943,0.001458,-0.01369,0.006588,0.010056,0.000875,0.004866,0.0021 02,-0.000246,0.000964,0.007305
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028,0.106994,0.153345,-0.057322,-0.09044,-0.003385,-0.034582,0.00047,-0.006692,-0.003681,0.026606,0.013478,-0.001649,0.001487,-0.006331,-0.020494,0.022673,0.018775,0.010895,0.008547,0.002 376,-0.000998,0.006801,-0.006409,0.005061,0.002155
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029,0.093335,0.152329,-0.059585,-0.092055,-0.013541,-0.032351,0.00094,-0.000231,-0.004295,0.014032,0.005359,-0.003447,0.00446,0.010459,-0.010586,-0.011138,-0.002868,0.003547,-0.006285,-0.006503,-0.004991,0.000866,-0.006532,-0.009158,-0.005029
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030,0.10927,0.153345,-0.046009,-0.07752,-0.009232,-0.031515,0.001645,-0.008769,-0.008181,0.017312,0.005846,0.00045,-0.005054,0.006055,-0.013301,0.011005,0.015646,0.004561,0.009804,0.003 126,-0.003369,0.005812,-0.002095,-0.001084,0.000239
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034,0.095611,0.148267,-0.06675,-0.085595,-0.018773,-0.037092,0.004465,-0.004846,-0.002659,0.014032,0.001786,-0.002997,0.01665,0.006331,-0.008007,0.008618,0.004955,0.005321,0.006662,-0.008004,0.005366,0.004081,0.00037,-0.010845,-0.005149
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035,0.086506,0.146236,-0.060339,-0.099484,-0.020311,-0.034025,0.013396,0.000692,0.01084,0.011845,0.0146 15,-0.020382,0.021704,-0.001376,-0.009365,0.019491,0.000782,-0.009248,0.005279,-0.001876,0.004367,0.001237,0.001479,-0.001205,0.002036
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA037,0.09675,0.152329,-0.056568,-0.093993,-0.008309,-0.040439,-0.00611,0.001846,-0.02127,0.007654,0.013153,-0.00045,0.005352,0.007569,-0.002579,0.000265,-0.014212,0.006461,0.006788,-0.001376,-0.014225,0.002968,-0.010846,-0.000482,0.000599
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA038,0.113823,0.14319,-0.062979,-0.096577,-0.023697,-0.029841,0.012926,0.002077,-0.013294,0.021504,-0.005846,-0.003597,0.028989,-0.006331,-0.022937,0.022805,0.009127,-0.010895,-0.012193,0.013006,0.001497,-0.007419,-0.002711,-0.002048,-0.012813
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039,0.092197,0.145221,-0.056191,-0.077843,-0.012618,-0.037092,-0.00987,-0.011076,-0.009204,0.008747,0.009581,-0.008093,0.008622,0.007294,-0.008958,0.000928,-0.007432,0.002027,0.000503,-0.007003,-0.002496,0.004946,-0.003821,-0.006266,-0.001557
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA084,0.080814,0.131003,-0.070522,-0.073644,-0.020927,-0.03765,0.003055,-0.004846,-0.025361,0.009476,0.003085,-0.005995,0.016204,-0.007294,-0.010993,0.023468,0.009127,0.010388,-0.015964,-0.005878,-0.002371,-0.01422,-0.006409,-0.006507,0.016046
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095,0.099026,0.142174,-0.050911,-0.086887,-0.016618,-0.037371,0.001175,-0.011769,-0.003068,0.011481,-0.009094,-0.007643,0.009068,0.012661,-0.003664,0.013922,-0.002217,0.00228,0.003142,-0.001126,0.007237,0.00507,-0.002711,-0.001205,-0.001197
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA_o:ALA019,0.087644,0.060932,-0.093526,0.02584,-0.087401,0.017849,0.003055,-0.006923,-0.057062,-0.045559,-0.002273,0.010191,-0.004014,-0.014588,0.016829,0.03023,0.001825,-0.006841,0.002765,-0.018759,-0.002995,-0.016199,0.000123,-0.00735,0.005149

TUR_Arslantepe_EBA:ART009,0.108132,0.150298,-0.056568,-0.084303,-0.023081,-0.03765,0.003055,-0.007384,-0.020861,0.008018,0.004547,0.002698,-0.005352,-0.00055,-0.008007,0.006762,0.02047,-0.003801,0.002891,0.008129,-0.004118,0.002844,-0.001602,-0.004097,0.002634
TUR_Arslantepe_EBA:ART010,0.102441,0.158423,-0.062979,-0.084626,-0.02185,-0.02008,0.00517,-0.005077,-0.022293,0.015672,0.000325,0.007943,-0.010852,0.008808,-0.005972,-0.013524,-0.003781,0.008235,0.000628,-0.002751,0.000499,0.005193,0.005176,-0.005784,-0.012214
TUR_Arslantepe_EBA:ART011,0.10927,0.152329,-0.058077,-0.083011,-0.020311,-0.024263,-0.00047,-0.017076,-0.023111,0.010934,0.010555,0.002997,-0.012933,0.005643,-0.010315,-0.004243,0.008084,0.00038,0.003645,-0.001,-0.003868,0.007172,0.000123,-0.008917,0.002036

TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005,0.104717,0.152329,-0.053928,-0.089148,-0.000923,-0.035977,0.003525,-0.006923,0.004704,0.03426,0.008931,-0.001049,-0.001784,0.000275,-0.032709,0.023203,0.021122,0.000633,0.003394,0,-0.001996,0.008285,-0.002711,0.00494,-0.002395
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART012,0.09675,0.156392,-0.055437,-0.108529,-0.001846,-0.036814,0.002115,-0.008538,-0.006954,0.026424,0.003248,0.001349,-0.00446,0.001514,-0.014115,0.002121,0.01017,0.005321,0.005656,0.0100 05,0.005116,0.00915,-0.002095,-0.005543,-0.001317
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014,0.100164,0.158423,-0.049026,-0.092378,-0.006155,-0.034025,0,-0.009461,-0.00225,0.015126,0.009743,-0.006444,-0.002973,-0.000413,-0.012486,0.005701,0.021644,-0.00152,0.003017,0.007128,0.003993,0.00507,0.00184 9,-0.00253,-0.004191
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015,0.09675,0.158423,-0.055814,-0.094316,-0.011694,-0.041834,-0.003055,-0.009923,-0.001432,0.012028,0.006171,-0.003297,0.009366,0.002752,-0.005972,0.00358,-0.002868,0.003927,0.005405,0.002001,-0.00287,0.008903,-0.007641,-0.00494,-0.003832
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART017,0.097888,0.153345,-0.061471,-0.087856,-0.016618,-0.025658,0.00047,-0.000692,-0.018612,0.025331,0.01088,0.002548,-0.011893,0.006468,-0.023208,0.002254,0.025425,-0.001647,0.005154,-0.005002,-0.003119,0.000495,-0.009737,-0.00253,-0.005508
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART018,0.105855,0.145221,-0.064111,-0.059109,-0.030775,-0.018686,0.005875,-0.001385,-0.038655,-0.004556,-0.006333,0.003897,-0.01219,0.003578,-0.005972,-0.001724,0.004563,0.003041,-0.000377,0.00963,0.008235,0.001484,0.00419,-0.005061,-0.001078
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART019,0.088782,0.155376,-0.065996,-0.086564,-0.013849,-0.036256,-0.002115,-0.007384,-0.01084,0.006743,0.010718,-0.009442,0.00669,-0.003165,-0.0095,-0.005967,-0.007953,0.005194,0.00176,-0.004627,-0.006364,0.010263,-0.008997,-0.012652,0.004431
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020,0.101303,0.150298,-0.050157,-0.077843,-0.014464,-0.028168,-0.00423,-0.005307,-0.021475,0.015308,0.001624,0.005695,-0.009068,0.010597,-0.01045,0.005569,0.022426,-0.00152,0.001257,0.004252,-0.000998,0.00272,0.000493,-0.004699,-0.001317
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART022,0.10927,0.161469,-0.055437,-0.091086,-0.018773,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005307,-0.015748,0.015672,0.013803,0.008093,-0.011596,0.004679,-0.018187,-0.014187,-0.005215,0.000887,0.005154,-0.00963,-0.007612,0.003957,-0.002711,-0.017111,-0.00479
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART023,0.100164,0.145221,-0.053551,-0.095931,-0.01508,-0.034025,-0.00188,-0.005077,-0.02127,0.013485,-0.006983,0.008992,-0.015758,0.003165,-0.015879,-0.006895,0.016037,-0.00038,-0.000377,-0.002001,0.003868,0.006306,0.007025,-0.001807,0.004431
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024,0.100164,0.149283,-0.048271,-0.100776,0.005539,-0.034304,-0.00141,-0.007384,-0.001227,0.018224,0.006333,0.000599,0.001933,0.003 991,-0.022937,0.00358,0.023991,-0.006841,0.002891,0.004877,0.004118,-0.007666,-0.001849,-0.006989,-0.005748
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART026,0.103579,0.145221,-0.059208,-0.084626,-0.015695,-0.03012,0.004465,-0.00923,-0.018407,0.009112,0.014128,0.008992,-0.011001,-0.00289,-0.022937,0.005569,0.029988,0.008108,0.003268,-0.00025,0.003743,0.004946,-0.003081,0.001687,0.002275
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART027,0.112685,0.137096,-0.059962,-0.071706,-0.020004,-0.025658,0.004465,-0.014769,-0.02802,0.007654,0.00682,0.009741,-0.024232,-0.003028,-0.010586,0.009016,0.019036,0.002027,0.006159,-0.001626,0.005366,-0.002226,-0.00986,-0.006386,-0.001796
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032,0.100164,0.149283,-0.059208,-0.083657,-0.017542,-0.03263,0.00235,-0.007384,-0.015339,0.016583,0.010393,0.003147,-0.010852,0.006193,-0.014658,-0.005436,0.004042,0.000633,0.001131,0.000875,0.001 248,0.005317,-0.0053,0.000723,0.000599
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART038,0.113823,0.162485,-0.059208,-0.094316,0.003077,-0.03012,0.000235,-0.004615,-0.01309,0.030433,0.000325,0.009142,-0.000892,0.004679,-0.019679,-0.000265,-0.004303,0.005194,0.002514,-0.01038,-0.001622,0.001237,-0.01405,-0.006266,-0.004071
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART039,0.102441,0.155376,-0.039598,-0.065892,-0.011079,-0.0251,-0.003995,-0.006461,-0.046427,0.002551,-0.011205,0.001199,-0.027651,-0.004266,-0.020358,-0.00411,0.033769,-0.007221,-0.005279,0.011756,0.003494,0.018053,-0.005423,-0.009037,0.010179
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042,0.102441,0.151314,-0.057322,-0.098838,-0.000923,-0.037371,-0.007755,-0.007615,0.010635,0.021139,0.007957,-0.002997,0.010406,-0.002064,-0.010179,0.014452,0.015255,0.002534,0.003142,-5e-04,-0.008111,0.004451,-0.001356,-0.009278,-0.00012

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TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT002,0.104717,0.150298,-0.058454,-0.093347,-0.011079,-0.037092,0.009165,-0.006923,-0.012885,0.026424,0.011205,0.003297,-0.007284,-0.002202,-0.010858,-0.005436,0.013169,0.010262,-0.00176,-0.003752,0.004991,-0.00136,-0.011955,-0.00494,-0.002036
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT003,0.106994,0.160454,-0.035826,-0.096254,0,-0.035419,0.001645,-0.008538,-0.009613,0.032256,0.015914,0.018583,-0.025421,-0.000275,-0.018865,-0.004906,0.015125,-0.012035,0.012067,-0.022136,0.017095,-0.008285,0.009737,-0.010965,0.00479
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004,0.114961,0.157407,-0.049026,-0.09367,-0.008001,-0.033188,0.005875,-0.006,-0.007158,0.026242,0.003573,0.004496,-0.008622,0.008808,-0.02158,-0.008221,0.010822,-0.006081,0.010684,-0.008129,0.001622,-0.007419,-0.010106,-0.005663,-0.012214
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT005,0.10927,0.162485,-0.046386,-0.095931,-0.004924,-0.032351,0.006815,-0.001385,-0.01268,0.022415,0.011205,0.001499,-0.013231,0.007707,-0.031759,-0.009149,0.012908,0.004687,-0.002263,-0.01063,-0.004492,0.004328,-0.012078,-0.002289,-0.003712
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT010,0.117238,0.160454,-0.0445,-0.096577,0,-0.044344,-0.002115,-0.006231,-0.016566,0.026242,0.007795,0.001798,-0.005649,0.006055,-0.020765,-0.02148,0,0.000887,0.010433,-0.009379,-0.002995,0.009027,-0.007395,0.001807,-0.007305
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT011,0.104717,0.155376,-0.050534,-0.09044,-0.008309,-0.035977,0.00376,-0.014076,-0.015544,0.020775,0.003085,0.008243,-0.011893,0.004129,-0.026737,-0.018297,-0.002347,-0.001647,0.007542,-0.021135,-0.00287,-0.001113,-0.003328,-0.016026,0.006227
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT013,0.106994,0.153345,-0.053174,-0.09044,-0.003385,-0.03765,0.00752,-0.008077,-0.015339,0.028247,0.009743,0.006594,-0.01219,0.000963,-0.02348,0.009414,0.028163,-0.00114,0.016466,0.006878,0.003244,0,-0.008997,-0.009037,-0.007065
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014,0.105855,0.162485,-0.049403,-0.078489,-0.006463,-0.029005,0.00235,-0.007846,-0.01268,0.017859,0.002598,0.001049,-0.013082,0.004817,-0.013979,-0.006232,0.015516,-0.00038,0.003771,-0.006253,0.001123,0.004204,0.003944,-0.004458,0.001557
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT015,0.10927,0.149283,-0.061094,-0.082365,-0.012925,-0.030678,0.00564,-0.011999,-0.019021,0.030616,-0.006008,0.003897,-0.00669,0.002477,-0.02348,0.001193,0.024643,-0.00152,0.00352,0.004002,-0.000499,0.01286,-0.007641,-0.001205,0.004431
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT016,0.10927,0.159438,-0.051288,-0.086564,-0.009232,-0.033746,0.009165,-0.002538,-0.005727,0.023326,0.002923,0.003147,-0.010555,0.00289,-0.031894,0.002917,0.033769,0.006461,-0.008925,-0.004377,0.004118,-0.000124,-0.00986,0.001446,-0.007424
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017,0.110408,0.157407,-0.049403,-0.081073,-0.003385,-0.025379,0.0047,-0.004846,-0.016362,0.02934,0.000325,3e-04,-0.014866,-0.00289,-0.026465,-0.00305,0.028554,0.006461,0.000377,-0.000375,0.004866,0.004699,-0.003821,-0.006025,-0.002754

TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI009,0.099026,0.160454,-0.032432,-0.073321,-0.025543,-0.049921,0.013396,0.005769,-0.026997,0.015126,0.012179,0.009292,-0.009514,0.006606,-0.013979,-0.0179,0.001825,0.007348,-0.002891,-0.009254,-0.015972,-0.005812,0.005669,-0.008796,0.003712
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI012,0.114961,0.141159,-0.056945,-0.080427,-0.014464,-0.019243,-0.017391,-0.000923,-0.022293,0.016948,-0.001949,0.01109,-0.003568,0.018992,-0.014251,-0.000265,0.032857,-0.009248,0.017849,-0.007754,-0.001497,-0.010634,-0.001725,-0.01217,0.018202
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI016,0.103579,0.151314,-0.056568,-0.070414,-0.010771,-0.030399,0.012691,-0.014999,-0.043768,0.022233,0.005034,0.012739,-0.029137,0.012111,-0.020629,-0.005967,0.009648,-0.011402,0.016969,-0.013381,0.009608,-0.007296,0.004067,-0.004579,-0.002754
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI017,0.127482,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.069768,0.007694,-0.030399,0.018096,-0.006923,-0.03211,0.013485,0.006333,0.003447,-0.022299,-0.004679,-0.009908,-0.014983,0.017341,0.011655,0.003142,-0.005878,0.021337,0.002473,-0.013927,0.004097,0.008622
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI024,0.103579,0.148267,-0.041106,-0.088825,-0.003693,-0.018407,0.002585,-0.006,-0.015339,0.040639,0.014128,-0.007493,-0.026313,0.009221,-0.024973,-0.015248,0.001043,-0.009502,0.015209,-0.023011,-0.015348,0.007666,0.00912,-0.01928,-0.005389
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI034,0.103579,0.145221,-0.064865,-0.072352,-0.011387,-0.034861,0.0047,0.005077,-0.028224,0.00656,0.024845,0.012289,-0.014569,0.011698,-0.02823,-0.003447,0.01017,0.002534,-0.00264,0.01113,-0.001497,0.00915,-0.000616,-0.015785,-0.008502
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI036,0.105855,0.166547,-0.05506,-0.070091,-0.014772,-0.026495,0.00705,0.001615,-0.026179,0.023508,0.014453,-0.00015,-0.014123,0.001376,-0.008143,-0.017369,0.021905,0.018623,-0.010182,-0.011005,-0.00262,-0.011376,-0.012941,-0.012773,0.005508
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI037,0.106994,0.156392,-0.056945,-0.098515,-0.015387,-0.032072,0.01034,0.014999,-0.027611,0.01877,0.003897,0.000899,-0.007433,0.018166,-0.005836,-0.036595,-0.006519,0.010769,0.005279,-0.012881,0.003743,-0.003462,-0.001109,-0.003856,0.016166

TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD003,0.100164,0.175687,-0.031678,-0.13017,0.032006,-0.051037,-0.007285,-0.013153,0.031292,0.062871,0.003085,-0.005695,-0.002081,0.011147,-0.034202,-0.020419,-0.001695,0.004941,0.005656,-0.008004,-0.007237,0.007419,-0.00419,-0.009399,0.00455
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD004,0.102441,0.173656,-0.02489,-0.144059,0.032314,-0.050758,-0.031726,0.014307,0.013294,0.052484,0.011205,0.003 897,0.013082,-0.006606,-0.036509,-0.006099,0.04759,0.0019,0.022751,0.007504,-0.002995,0.001113,0.025019,-0.000241,-0.013771
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD006,0.097888,0.171624,-0.01961,-0.120803,0.024928,-0.058009,-0.008225,0.000231,0.033337,0.04483,0.012342,0,-0.006541,0.004404,-0.036509,-0.016971,0.008605,0.003801,0.017095,5e-04,-0.002995,0.010758,-0.002711,-0.008194,-0.005389

TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC,0.102441,0.147252,-0.046009,-0.095608,0.010156,-0.051316,-0.003055,-0.017076,0.011044,0.047199,0.011205,-0.004796,0.012487,-0.004266,-0.040173,-0.002254,0.027902,0.001267,0.004525,0.005628,-0.008735,0.006183,-0.018487,-0.009278,0.00934

TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA,0.105855,0.151314,-0.072407,-0.090763,-0.016311,-0.031515,0.004465,-0.000692,-0.022907,0.014032,0.006008,0.016335,-0.004906,0.014175,-0.012351,0.007955,0.004172,0.000887,0.016592,0.005 628,0.008859,-0.004575,-0.011955,0.008555,-0.006945

[Pine]

Nice. Do you mind sharing em? I want to fuck around with it for a bit.

Give me a model you made and I'll run them.

[FinalFlash]

Give me a model you made and I'll run them.

ARM_MBA,0.0091,0.01205,-0.0084,-0.0041,-0.0114,-0.001,0.0014,-0.00285,-0.0262,-0.01035,0.00255,0,-0.00515,0.00125,0.01025,-2e-04,0.00065,-0.0029,0.00045,-1e-04,0.00435,0.00105,0.0044,-0.00065,8e-04
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.009225,0.014925,-0.011225,-0.0255,-0.001325,-0.00985,-0.001025,-0.003375,-0.005575,0.0156,0.006,0.004675,-0.008125,0.00225,-0.0102,-0.003375,0.00895,-0.0017,0.007,-0.005925,-0.00255,0.005,-0.0039,0.00255,-0.001175
Levant_Canaanite_MBA,0.00714,0.01446,-0.01626,-0.03032,-0.00342,-0.01396,-0.00204,-0.00286,0.0056,0.00558,0.00646,-0.00652,0.01452,0.004,-0.00558,0.00492,-0.00012,-0.00094,0.0012,0.0034,0.00342,0.0061,-0.00102,0.00132,-0.00042


Use these.

[Kamal900]

...

Thank you, man!

My results:
Distance to: Kamal900
0.03799076 Levant_LBN_MA
0.03921826 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.04314336 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.04505131 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04530582 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.04548527 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.04771527 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.04969605 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.05113403 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
0.05143571 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05181818 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.05189904 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
0.05202977 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.05232986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.05374188 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.05443307 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.05542533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.05548492 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.05560199 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART019
0.05658118 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.05684784 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.05689119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.05702359 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05727242 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.05786347 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015

happycow:
Distance to: TimA_scaled
0.04544009 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.04554234 Levant_LBN_MA
0.04708275 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.04979644 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05121750 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.05175846 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
0.05179682 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05274474 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05464037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05574646 Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.05712185 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
0.05751750 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.05857003 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.05868472 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.05947796 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06056444 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.06068051 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06123869 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.06171663 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.06200298 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06205661 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06210781 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06254274 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06287612 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART019
0.06343409 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002

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[Pine]

ARM_MBA,0.0091,0.01205,-0.0084,-0.0041,-0.0114,-0.001,0.0014,-0.00285,-0.0262,-0.01035,0.00255,0,-0.00515,0.00125,0.01025,-2e-04,0.00065,-0.0029,0.00045,-1e-04,0.00435,0.00105,0.0044,-0.00065,8e-04
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.009225,0.014925,-0.011225,-0.0255,-0.001325,-0.00985,-0.001025,-0.003375,-0.005575,0.0156,0.006,0.004675,-0.008125,0.00225,-0.0102,-0.003375,0.00895,-0.0017,0.007,-0.005925,-0.00255,0.005,-0.0039,0.00255,-0.001175
Levant_Canaanite_MBA,0.00714,0.01446,-0.01626,-0.03032,-0.00342,-0.01396,-0.00204,-0.00286,0.0056,0.00558,0.00646,-0.00652,0.01452,0.004,-0.00558,0.00492,-0.00012,-0.00094,0.0012,0.0034,0.00342,0.0061,-0.00102,0.00132,-0.00042


Use these.

Bad model: not enough sources to catch my more northern , berber, and east asian ancestry, but ok.

[FinalFlash]

Bad model: not enough sources to catch my more northern , berber, and east asian ancestry, but ok.

Just add in your berber and east asian selection. If your Steppe ancestry exceeds 30%, then add that too because otherwise I think Arm_MBA will capture that.

[Pine]

Bad model: not enough sources to catch my more northern , berber, and east asian ancestry, but ok.

Assumed it's scaled (Sibling and I):

Target: S_scaled
Distance: 15.2046% / 0.15204635
50.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
49.4 Levant_Canaanite_MBA

Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 15.0223% / 0.15022332
65.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
34.6 Levant_Canaanite_MBA

[FinalFlash]

Assumed it's scaled (Sibling and I):

Target: S_scaled
Distance: 15.2046% / 0.15204635
50.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
49.4 Levant_Canaanite_MBA

Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 15.0223% / 0.15022332
65.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
34.6 Levant_Canaanite_MBA

Did you use Vahaduo? The distances are terrible.

[Pine]

Did you use Vahaduo? The distances are terrible.

Yup

[Nassbean]

Palestinians :

Distance to: Palestinian
0.05479541 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.05691589 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.05756896 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05779329 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05834577 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.05899833 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05899895 Levant_Megiddo_IA:I4517
0.05985608 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05998619 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06017467 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4518
0.06148998 Levant_Megiddo_IBA:I4521
0.06175348 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.06230596 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10769
0.06235229 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06236433 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10093
0.06250049 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2190
0.06254774 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06283717 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4525
0.06348799 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.06391509 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770
0.06443085 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10268
0.06464723 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06473382 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I8187
0.06532725 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10092
0.06624119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004

Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03319030 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.03321986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.03373637 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.03732809 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.03778698 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.03801151 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.03863533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.03875452 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.03934547 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.03986819 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.03993598 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.04000324 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.04033509 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.04034720 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.04042877 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.04069120 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.04101744 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.04113844 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.04152042 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.04162886 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04185351 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.04217268 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.04398827 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.04415775 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.04428352 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002


Jews :

Distance to: Sephardic_Jew
0.05747080 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05840990 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06003368 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06103053 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.06210862 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06265548 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06306823 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06353037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.06367497 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06467304 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.06525216 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06535778 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.06553333 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.06664399 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06781343 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.06823250 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06859594 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06888135 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011
0.06914077 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.06915879 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.06918228 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.06919378 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06994815 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07025669 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07027364 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06073974 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06452788 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06556824 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06773915 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06919990 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06925638 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.07066801 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.07126182 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.07159588 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.07299006 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.07306252 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.07309329 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.07402717 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017
0.07424076 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07426395 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.07439294 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.07449336 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07529392 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.07542377 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.07544534 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.07588258 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.07597838 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005
0.07647781 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028
0.07665246 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.07738183 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004



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[Kamal900]

Me and my fellow Pali friend.

Me:
Target: Kamal900
Distance: 1.2025% / 0.01202497
49.0 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
16.2 TKM_IA
13.8 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
10.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
8.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
1.4 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP

Happycow:
Target: happycow
Distance: 1.4568% / 0.01456817
43.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
18.0 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
15.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
12.4 TKM_IA
6.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
2.8 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
2.2 Levant_JOR_EBA

Palestinian Muslims:
Target: Palestinian
Distance: 1.2792% / 0.01279191
56.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
15.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
12.4 TKM_IA
9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
4.0 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
3.4 Levant_Baqah_BA

[Pine]

Palestinians :

Distance to: Palestinian
0.05479541 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.05691589 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.05756896 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05779329 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05834577 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.05899833 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05899895 Levant_Megiddo_IA:I4517
0.05985608 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05998619 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06017467 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4518
0.06148998 Levant_Megiddo_IBA:I4521
0.06175348 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.06230596 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10769
0.06235229 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06236433 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10093
0.06250049 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2190
0.06254774 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06283717 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4525
0.06348799 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.06391509 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770
0.06443085 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10268
0.06464723 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06473382 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I8187
0.06532725 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10092
0.06624119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004

Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03319030 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.03321986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.03373637 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.03732809 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.03778698 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.03801151 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.03863533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.03875452 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.03934547 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.03986819 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.03993598 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.04000324 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.04033509 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.04034720 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.04042877 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.04069120 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.04101744 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.04113844 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.04152042 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.04162886 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04185351 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.04217268 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.04398827 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.04415775 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.04428352 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002


Jews :

Distance to: Sephardic_Jew
0.05747080 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05840990 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06003368 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06103053 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.06210862 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06265548 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06306823 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06353037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.06367497 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06467304 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.06525216 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06535778 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.06553333 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.06664399 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06781343 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.06823250 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06859594 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06888135 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011
0.06914077 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.06915879 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.06918228 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.06919378 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06994815 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07025669 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07027364 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06073974 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06452788 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06556824 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06773915 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06919990 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06925638 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.07066801 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.07126182 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.07159588 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.07299006 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.07306252 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.07309329 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.07402717 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017
0.07424076 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07426395 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.07439294 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.07449336 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07529392 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.07542377 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.07544534 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.07588258 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.07597838 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005
0.07647781 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028
0.07665246 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.07738183 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004



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Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?

[Kamal900]

Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?

It's in the very north of the Levant in what is now Hatay, Turkey.

[Pine]

It's in the very north of the Levant in what is now Hatay, Turkey.

Correct.

[Kamal900]

Correct.

The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:
https://i.ibb.co/SwJkhqL/2020-02-18-07-46-22-g25vahaduo-genetics-ovh-b45d1407d378.jpg

[Pine]

The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:
https://i.ibb.co/SwJkhqL/2020-02-18-07-46-22-g25vahaduo-genetics-ovh-b45d1407d378.jpg

Ashkenazi_Russia is the most north shifted Ashkenazi reference.

[Kamal900]

Ashkenazi_Russia is the most north shifted Ashkenazi reference.

Sure. Just giving an idea that they have as much right to their ancestral homeland as Palestinians.

[Leto]

Turkmenistan IA is a mixed sample, it's not purely Steppe since it's not Bronze Age.

[SUPREEEEEME]

The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:
https://i.ibb.co/SwJkhqL/2020-02-18-07-46-22-g25vahaduo-genetics-ovh-b45d1407d378.jpg

It appears the Alalakh samples are closest to the Ebla samples.

[Nassbean]

Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?

as if all ancient levantines were canaanites ..you better focus on the samples themselves. I would have expect your people to be closer to these megiddo samples but it seems it's more palestinians. Game over Yitzhak ;)

[Halgurd]

Might I add that the lack of R1a results suggests that R1a was not heavily present in Central Asia at the time.

[Pine]

as if all ancient levantines were canaanites ..you better focus on the samples themselves. I would have expect your people to be closer to these megiddo samples but it seems it's more palestinians. Game over Yitzhak ;)

Now, you're not only arguing that one must be fully Levantine to be there, but also fully Southern Canaanite. Ok, let's take your strawman and arbitrary requirements. Some of the Philistine samples from Ancient Israel plot like I do. The outliers from Megiddo plot in Turkey and the Caucasus. Does this satisfy your silly plotting criteria? I plot like the ancient peoples from the land I'm claiming. If you require that everyone there descends from EBA Canaanites, you will disqualify some Palestinians as well, as majority of their ancestry comes from elsewhere. Do you realize that even the anti-Semites think you're stupid? You continually argue that Western Jews are mixed with Europeans, which no one disputes, but you pretend they do and that you get attacked for it. Does your Arab admixture disqualify you from living in North Africa? What's the blood quota?

[Adamm]

I've read in one of those papers before yesterday that after the bronze age the Levant received an extra admixture of East African like, how can we explain this and when did this happen?

[Leto]

I've read in one of those papers before yesterday that after the bronze age the Levant received an extra admixture of East African like, how can we explain this and when did this happen?
I guess that was due to slavery and Islamic conquests.

[Kyp]

Might I add that the lack of R1a results suggests that R1a was not heavily present in Central Asia at the time.

What do you mean? Aren't the papers about West Asia?

[Nassbean]

Now, you're not only arguing that one must be fully Levantine to be there, but also fully Southern Canaanite. Ok, let's take your strawman and arbitrary requirements. Some of the Philistine samples from Ancient Israel plot like I do. The outliers from Megiddo plot in Turkey and the Caucasus. Does this satisfy your silly plotting criteria? I plot like the ancient peoples from the land I'm claiming. If you require that everyone there descends from EBA Canaanites, you will disqualify some Palestinians as well, as majority of their ancestry comes from elsewhere. Do you realize that even the anti-Semites think you're stupid? You continually argue that Western Jews are mixed with Europeans, which no one disputes, but you pretend they do and that you get attacked for it. Does your Arab admixture disqualify you from living in North Africa? What's the blood quota?

Well palestinians plot with ancient southern levantines which is logical meanwhile people who pretend to be more indigenous don't plot with them but only with northern shifted levantines (from the far north) and outliers. And how am I supposed to trust you if you're scared to share your coordinates ...that's weird. You also tend to contradict yourself : half of your ancestry is european but you're supposed to plot with ancient southern levantines ? The same levantines that didn't have such high amount of European dna ...My point is simply that your people certainly do not have more legitimacy to claim this land and clearly didn't look like ancient hebrews. You're simply a buch of heterogeneous/mixed individuals who kept an old altered semitic tradition.

Also don't try to bring your "antisemite" excuse here I've nothing against jews or judaism I'm simply against this nasty zionist ideology.

What's next ? canarians being berber because of their 20-30% berber ancestry ?

[Leto]

@Pine, can you share your HarappaWorld components?

[Nassbean]

I've read in one of those papers before yesterday that after the bronze age the Levant received an extra admixture of East African like, how can we explain this and when did this happen?

probably zanj slave trade (they were taken directly from the east african coast)

[Pine]

Well palestinians plot with ancient southern levantines which is logical meanwhile people who pretend to be more indigenous don't plot with them but only with northern shifted levantines (from the far north) and outliers.

This is because Western Jews are not pure Levantines, but you'll claim that we think we are a post later.


And how am I supposed to trust you if you're scared to share your coordinates ...that's weird.

I'm not going to share my coordinates with anti-semites. If you want to call me out on lying about my results, please do so and we'll get some intermediary to run my coordinates. Alternatively, don't you think I could've made up coordinates for this? It's not hard, I can just take a weighted average of myself and some Levantine per coordinate. That's <1 minute of work in excel.




You also tend to contradict yourself : half of your ancestry is european but you're supposed to plot with ancient southern levantines ? The same levantines that didn't have such high amount of European dna ...My point is simply that your people certainly do not have more legitimacy to claim this land and clearly didn't look like ancient hebrews. You're simply a buch of heterogeneous/mixed individuals who kept an old altered semitic tradition

I'm not supposed to plot with continually native southern levantines. It just happens that you came up with an arbitrary plotting criteria, which no one but you cares about and I just happen to still satisfy it because of Bronze Age arrivals to the Levant. Please tell me your "didn't look like" is not about muh phenotypes again. Stop boring me. I don't care. Go bug Anatolian and Pontic Greeks about this. Go bug Polish Germans about this. Go bug Balkan Turks about this. We're not the first admixed ethnicity to return to our homeland and probably won't be the last.


Also don't try to bring your "antisemite" excuse here I've nothing against jews or judaism I'm simply against this nasty zionist ideology.

Ok, Al-Fake Talmud quotes.



What's next ? canarians being berber because of their 20-30% berber ancestry ?

Have they maintained Berber identity instead of a Spanish one? Do they trigger you? They live in the same place anyhow.

When you find some smoking gun evidence for something relevant, let me know. Till then, I'm tired of going in circles with your strawmen.

[Halgurd]

What do you mean? Aren't the papers about West Asia?

Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.

[Eline]

Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.Ancient Central Asians from the BMAC had actually NorthWest Asian DNA and haplogroups because there were heavy West Asian migrations into Central Asia in the Copper and Bronze age.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLpWfVJh/a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/4NQXZr2f/c.jpg

[Eline]

Those from the Northern Mesopotamia who migrated into the Northern Levant were most likely Hurrian people influenced by the Uruk Sumerians

https://i.postimg.cc/mDL5Y5Nw/urn-cambridge-org-id-binary-20191001050512154-0534-9781108341004-42456map1-11.png

[Aren]

Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.

That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.

[Eline]

That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.She had minor Western Siberian HG (WSHG) Steppe ancestry, just like other ancient Central Asians who came from the Western Iran/Kurdistan and mixed with the locals in Central Asia.

That lady had WSHG, so she was connected to BMAC.


BMAC was actually a Sumerian 'colony' in Central Asia.

[Halgurd]

That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.

Just some excerpts from one of the papers:

“We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A).”

“ that two Hellenistic individuals (SFI-5 and SFI-12) and one early Roman individual (SFI- 11) had excess haplotype sharing with Central and South Asians (Figures 2E and S9), thus confirming the qpAdm re- sults. The relationship of ancient Lebanon with Central and South Asia also manifests in the presence of hap- logroup L1a1-M27 among the modern Lebanese Y chro- mosome lineages (Figure S10). Haplogroup L1a1-M27 is common today in Central and South Asia but rare else- where”

Haplogroup Q ancients have never been found before in the Middle East, this is a first. + the other two individuals had East Eurasian mtdna.

The central Asian woman in the first paper in OP is very significant as well. People don’t migrate on their own. It means central Asian migrations to West Asia were happening much earlier than previously thought.

[Eline]

BMAC alabaster vessel in the Sumerian style, 3rd Millennium BC.

https://i.postimg.cc/nznhvpPP/8554610.jpg

http://eclecticmuseum.com/intercultural-style.html

[dududud]

Interesting. How Sumerians can be modelized?

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Sumerians were White:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2843826

[Eline]

Interesting. How Sumerians can be modelized?The original Sumerians were most likely a mixture between Anatolia_NEO and Iran_NEO, because they found out that around 6500 BCE both groups collided and mixed around the Upper Mesopotamia became known as Iran_ChL.

One part migrated into Central Asia. Other part migrated into the Southern Mesopotamia.

Those Sumerians who were related to the Southern Sumerians migrated into the Northern Levant and mixed with the Northern Levant Semites in an area around their ancient cities like Ebla.


Later the 'Uruk' Sumerians in Basra/Kuwait mixed with the Semitic people such as Amorites or Akkadians and later with the Arabs.

[dududud]

The original Sumerians were most likely a mixture between Anatolia_NEO and Iran_NEO, because they found out that around 6500 BCE both groups collided and mixed around the Upper Mesopotamia became known as Iran_ChL.

One part migrated itnro Central Asia. Other part migrated into the Southern Mesopotamia.

Those Sumerians who were related to the Southern Sumerians migrated into the Northern Levant and mixed with the Northern Levant Semites in an area around their ancient cities like Ebla.


Later the 'Uruk' Sumerians in Basra/Kuwait mixed with the Semitic people such as Amorites or Akkadians and later with the Arabs.

And their Anatolia_NEO part was close to what modern population?

[Aren]

Just some excerpts from one of the papers:

“We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A).”

“ that two Hellenistic individuals (SFI-5 and SFI-12) and one early Roman individual (SFI- 11) had excess haplotype sharing with Central and South Asians (Figures 2E and S9), thus confirming the qpAdm re- sults. The relationship of ancient Lebanon with Central and South Asia also manifests in the presence of hap- logroup L1a1-M27 among the modern Lebanese Y chro- mosome lineages (Figure S10). Haplogroup L1a1-M27 is common today in Central and South Asia but rare else- where”

Haplogroup Q ancients have never been found before in the Middle East let alone in that period.

The central Asian woman in the first paper in OP is very significant as well. People don’t migrate on their own. It means central Asian migrations to West Asia were happening much earlier than previously thought.

Ah yes I hadn't seen the second paper thought only of the BMAC-like woman.

The woman might be a Mitanni and the later two Hellenistic period are probably Early Persians, it still doesnt matter much as their autosomal contribution to modern Levantines is next to zero.

[Eline]

They found in Ebla cuneiforms in Sumerian from the Sumerian 'Uruk' period. But those who migrated into the Northern Levant were most likely Hurrians who were highly influenced by the 'Uruk' Sumerians

[Adamm]

https://i.imgur.com/lGrRPq3.png

[Eline]

And their Anatolia_NEO part was close to what modern population?Original Anatolia_NEO were from like the word is saying, Anatolia. Those Anatolians in Europe unleashed the Neolithic agricultural revolution.

Those Anatolians survived mostly on small islands in SouthEast Europe. Today those people are the closest to them.

This is a rough model for the Anatolia_NEO. Anatolia_NEO were native to Anatolia, but just notice how much WHG those Anatolians had.

https://i.postimg.cc/X7Nnp8zc/anat.jpg

[dududud]

Original Anatolia_NEO were from like the word is saying, Anatolia. Those Anatolians in Europe unleashed the Neolithic agricultural revolution.

Those Anatolians survived mostly on small islands in SouthEast Europe. Today those people are the closest to them.

This is a rough model for the Anatolia_NEO. Anatolia_NEO were native to Anatolia, but just notice how much WHG those Anatolians had.

https://i.postimg.cc/X7Nnp8zc/anat.jpg

Sumerians can be modelized as half sardinian and half levantine?

[Zoro]

Ah yes I hadn't seen the second paper thought only of the BMAC-like woman.

The woman might be a Mitanni and the later two Hellenistic period are probably Early Persians, it still doesnt matter much as their autosomal contribution to modern Levantines is next to zero.


Actually that's not entirely true either because their contribution is old and thus yes one would not expect to see much on admixture calculator individual results because old contributions get incorporated into the population pretty evenly. The way we can prove the contribution is when we compare Neolithic genomes from the Levant to Chalcolithic Levant to BA Levant we see a steady shift in the direction of Central Asia.

As far as actual numbers don't know off the top of my head but pretty much we see a steady shift towards Central Asia whether we compare Anatolia-N to Anatolia-BA or IA or whether we do this for the Levant.

Obviously this shift towards Central Asia is greatest on the fringe populations including Iran-N ---> Iran-IA but its there even in the Levant.

[Eline]

Sumerians can be modelized as half sardinian and half levantine?The original Sumerians were Anatolian_NEO + Iran_NEO.

In your words they would be modelled as a mixture between Sardinians and Sistan Iranians (the most south-eastern shifted Iranians of today with the highest Iran_NEO).


According to this latest study they found actually a sample in the Upper Mesopotamia (an area between Tigris and Euphrates in Northern Kurdistan), but I haven't seen the admix results yet

[Kamal900]

It appears the Alalakh samples are closest to the Ebla samples.

Indeed, and I'm more closer to the northern Semitic peoples than to Israelites as a whole due on the fact that my family in both sides are from the very north of Israel/Palestine, and the region was inhabited by the Phoenicians before the Jewish kingdom of the Hasmonean dynasty mixed and assimilated the region and it's inhabitants into Judaism and so on according to what Semitic Duwa told me on Anthrogenica.

[Zoro]

Just some excerpts from one of the papers:

“We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A).”

“ that two Hellenistic individuals (SFI-5 and SFI-12) and one early Roman individual (SFI- 11) had excess haplotype sharing with Central and South Asians (Figures 2E and S9), thus confirming the qpAdm re- sults. The relationship of ancient Lebanon with Central and South Asia also manifests in the presence of hap- logroup L1a1-M27 among the modern Lebanese Y chro- mosome lineages (Figure S10). Haplogroup L1a1-M27 is common today in Central and South Asia but rare else- where”

Haplogroup Q ancients have never been found before in the Middle East, this is a first. + the other two individuals had East Eurasian mtdna.

The central Asian woman in the first paper in OP is very significant as well. People don’t migrate on their own. It means central Asian migrations to West Asia were happening much earlier than previously thought.


Indeed humans do move around a bit over 100s of years not like what some people like to believe that ALL their ancestors have always lived where they are.

The older E. Asian I sometimes refer to in Kurds can very likely be attributed to the Iron Age.They are hard to pick up in an individual calculator result because it has uniformly become deeply entrenched into the majority of the population.

[Nassbean]

This is because Western Jews are not pure Levantines, but you'll claim that we think we are a post later.

ok


I'm not going to share my coordinates with anti-semites. If you want to call me out on lying about my results, please do so and we'll get some intermediary to run my coordinates. Alternatively, don't you think I could've made up coordinates for this? It's not hard, I can just take a weighted average of myself and some Levantine per coordinate. That's <1 minute of work in excel.

It's ok keep your coordinates I'm anti-semite after all.



I'm not supposed to plot with continually native southern levantines. It just happens that you came up with an arbitrary plotting criteria, which no one but you cares about and I just happen to still satisfy it because of Bronze Age arrivals to the Levant. Please tell me your "didn't look like" is not about muh phenotypes again. Stop boring me. I don't care. Go bug Anatolian and Pontic Greeks about this. Go bug Polish Germans about this. Go bug Balkan Turks about this. We're not the first admixed ethnicity to return to our homeland and probably won't be the last.

"arbitrary" ...I can say this with almost everything so what are the limits ? tell me. How can you claim to be a jew indigenous to the middle east if you're different compared to your canaanite ancestors ? Because of your religion ? If yes then that's also "arbitrary". And unlike the people you mentionned you don't see them discriminating some folks and stealing lands. That's why Israelis are problematic.




Ok, Al-Fake Talmud quotes.

What does the Talmud has to do with zionism in this case ?




When you find some smoking gun evidence for something relevant, let me know. Till then, I'm tired of going in circles with your strawmen.

I don't understand you. What's wrong with saying that jews aren't the same as ancient canaanites ?

[Smeagol]

well look at their distances they are closer to palestinians,lebaneses, druze, etc so modern levantines are more indigenous than ashkenazim/sephardim. Also these samples lack the big european component that jews have...

Ashkenazi Jews (Russian Jew sample) also don't even derive half their ancestry from Canaanites. No, they're not even close to being natives of the Levant. I don't know why anybody who isn't a Jew would even still be pushing that.

[Halgurd]

Indeed humans do move around a bit over 100s of years not like what some people like to believe that ALL their ancestors have always lived where they are.

The older E. Asian I sometimes refer to in Kurds can very likely be attributed to the Iron Age.They are hard to pick up in an individual calculator result because it has uniformly become deeply entrenched into the majority of the population.

I agree. We are all just a result of endless migrations.

That's why I don't take calculators too seriously. They are not entirely accurate.

[Eline]

Indeed humans do move around a bit over 100s of years not like what some people like to believe that ALL their ancestors have always lived where they are.

The older E. Asian I sometimes refer to in Kurds can very likely be attributed to the Iron Age.They are hard to pick up in an individual calculator result because it has uniformly become deeply entrenched into the majority of the population.According to Victor I. Sarianidi, the man who discovered the BMAC culture BMAC was populated by the 'Aryans' from the Upper Mesopotamia.


I really don't understand why some Kurds are more interested in Central Asia than in Kurdistan itself!

It has been argued that the country of Margush has appeared as a result of the arrival of tribes from north Mesopotamia that got mixed with a few local south Turkmenian tribes (Sarianidi 1998 [a or b, J.H.]). It is likely that long ago these newly arrived tribes practiced the cult libations of intoxicating drinks of the soma-haoma type in their previous motherland, and that they brought these traditions to the new land. And it was this cult drink or, more precisely, the corresponding deity, to whom they dedicated such monumental temples as the Margianian temples of Togolok-1 and 21, as well as the Gonur temenos.

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/sarianidi.htm


Monumental temples in BMAC easily comparable to the famous temples of Mesopotamia.
https://i.postimg.cc/3J0Db33c/1.jpg
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/merv/sarianidi.htm

[Leto]

I don't know why anybody who isn't a Jew would even still be pushing that.
I'd say to get rid of them in the West and elsewhere they live and have influence. But looks like they wanna eat their cake and have it.

[Smeagol]

I'd say to get rid of them in the West and elsewhere they live and have influence. But looks like they wanna eat their cake and have it.

It's better to just acknowledge the facts.

[Eline]

According to the father of the BMAC Victor I. Sarianidi, the man who discovered that culture, the Aryans from the upper Mesopotamia colonized BMAC area. Today we have genetic evidence for that, since they found West Asian admixtures AND West Asian Y-DNA haplogroups



Sarianidi argued that the people who who inhabited the Dashly sites were Indo-Iranians (Sarianidi, 1976; Lamberg-Karlovsky 2002:70). There were 87 graves discovered, and excavations revealed that Sarianidi specifically compared Dashly-3 to temples from Mesopotamia (Lamberg-Karlovsky 2002:70). He did this to present the possibility of influence from Mesopotamian cultures on Dashly’s inhabitants, indicating contact with multifarious peoples.

[Peterski]

Ashkenazi Jews (Russian Jew sample) also don't even derive half their ancestry from Canaanites. No, they're not even close to being natives of the Levant. I don't know why anybody who isn't a Jew would even still be pushing that.

They're native to the Levant by uninterrupted continuity of culture and tradition during Diaspora, and in a large part (even if not half) by genetics too.

In the USA, there are some people enrolled in Native American Tribes, who are also less than half Amerindian. So what? They belong to this culture.

[Eline]

BMAC has been called a Mesopotamia-in-miniature. BMAC was found by the Aryans from the Upper Mesopotamia


https://i.postimg.cc/151Fgfxr/BMAC.jpg

http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/physics/faculty/lawergren/repository/files/articles/OxusTrumpetsLawergren_small.pdf

[Smeagol]

They are native to the Levant by uninterrupted continuity of culture and tradition, and in a large part (even if not half) by genetics too.

No they aren't. Traditional Ashkenazi culture is very different from anything genuinely ancient Levantine. And even then, most Jews in the west are pretty much assimilated into their local culture nowadays. In America and I think Britain, most even marry gentiles. Genetically they're about as Hebrew as Obama is European.

[Peterski]

And even then, most Jews in the west are pretty much assimilated into their local culture nowadays.

As are most Christian Lebanese or most Baháʼí Iranians in the west, for example...


Traditional Ashkenazi culture is very different from anything genuinely ancient Levantine.

Partially because ancient Levant is ancient (of the past), and not modern, Levant.

I mean are there ANY cultures in modern Levant that resemble ancient Levant?

[Konstantinos]

Very exciting papers! Here's some of my thoughts:

Levantines don't seem to have much distinction between coastal and inland areas. Slightly more Mesopotamian influence in inland areas that's expected according to geography.

There has been a rebound effect. There was a wave of Aegean-Anatolian ancestry that shifted Levantines towards Europe, then in the Hellenistic Period there was a wave of admixture coming from South-Central Asia. This moved Levantines plot closer to Canaanites but their overall ancestry was not exactly the same.

An Ottoman-era influence brought more Caucasus genes to Near East. Has anyone checked what kind of peoples moved there? Georgians, NW Caucasians, NE Caucasians, Armenians? Maybe they were Muslim Caucasians that were moved to the region in order to reinforce the Islamic element there and reduce the percentage of Christians?

[Peterski]

Genetically they're about as Hebrew as Obama is European.

Isn't Obama 50% European?

[Smeagol]

As are most Christian Lebanese or most Baháʼí Iranians in the west, for example...

There's no real continuity of tradition or culture in either case, but Ashkenazi Jews aren't even native to the Levant genetically.

[Smeagol]

And Obama is 50% European.

And nobody would say he's native to Europe. Despite being raised in an entirely white culture by his white grandparents.

[Peterski]

but Ashkenazi Jews aren't even native to the Levant genetically.

If you made a PCA with gentile populations and assign each population's position to the piece of land where they live, and then add Jews to this PCA but let the algorithm choose their position (relative to all others' DNA), most of Jews will probably end up plotting in the Mediterranean Sea.

So Jews are genetically native to the Mediterranean Sea?

[Smeagol]

If you made a PCA with gentile populations and assign each population's DNA to the place where they live, and then add Jews to this PCA but let the algorithm choose their position (relative to all others), most of them will probably end up plotting in the Mediterranean Sea.

So Jews are genetically Native to the Mediterranean Sea?

They plot closest with Mediterranean Islanders like Sicilians and Greek Islanders.

Also I just thought about it and the majority of Jews from the times of the Maccabees would despise pretty much all Jews living today. They'd consider them much worse than the Hellenized Jews of their time, because the ancient Jews of Judaea were intolerant, narrow minded, religious fanatics who contributed nothing positive to civilization.

[Creoda]

If you made a PCA with gentile populations and assign each population's position to the piece of land where they live, and then add Jews to this PCA but let the algorithm choose their position (relative to all others' DNA), most of Jews will probably end up plotting in the Mediterranean Sea.

So Jews are genetically native to the Mediterranean Sea?
Well they're not called Sea mites for nothing.

[Pine]

And nobody would say he's native to Europe. Despite being raised in an entirely white culture by his white grandparents.

Your Jewish blood is trying to make you sneaky, but your IQ can't catch up. Obama is also half black and many would see him as a native African. You only chose his white side because of his phenotype.

[Pine]

As are most Christian Lebanese or most Baháʼí Iranians in the west, for example...



Partially because ancient Levant is ancient (of the past), and not modern, Levant.

I mean are there ANY cultures in modern Levant that resemble ancient Levant?

Samaritans would be the closest, if you had to choose. And closest to them are diasporic Jews.

[Pine]

Ashkenazi Jews (Russian Jew sample) also don't even derive half their ancestry from Canaanites. No, they're not even close to being natives of the Levant. I don't know why anybody who isn't a Jew would even still be pushing that.

You're going by a model by which they score 48% and Palestinians score 58%. This is amazingly convincing: those with 48% are foreigners and those with 58% are natives. Yeah, only a Jew would push that 48% is comparable to 58%. Get em, partner.

[happycow]

Cool

[Pine]

Since it's a Jewish holiday, I'll gift you guys something you missed (simply didn't read):

From Haber 2020:


We found that the Lebanese Iron Age population can be modeled as a mixture of the local Bronze Age population (63%–88%) and a population related to ancient Anatolians or ancient South-Eastern Europeans (12%–37%)

If this applies to ancient Judeans, then expect the Judean% in Jews to skyrocket. And if this kinda pattern continued into the common era, then Western Jews may be overwhelmingly Judean.

[FinalFlash]

You're going by a model by which they score 48% and Palestinians score 58%. This is amazingly convincing: those with 48% are foreigners and those with 58% are natives. Yeah, only a Jew would push that 48% is comparable to 58%. Get em, partner.

To be fair, it's not the 48% that most people care about, it's the other 52% that largely isn't shared with other Levantine populations.

[Adamm]

What do you guys think? Accurate?

https://i.imgur.com/pEs6osV.png

[Pine]

@Pine, can you share your HarappaWorld components?

Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 8.83 Pct
Caucasian 33.71 Pct
NE-Euro 12.87 Pct
SE-Asian 2.24 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.76 Pct
American 0.06 Pct
Beringian 0.27 Pct
Mediterranean 23.52 Pct
SW-Asian 16.13 Pct
San 0.17 Pct
E-African 0.17 Pct
Pygmy 0.54 Pct
W-African 0.45 Pct

[Adamm]

What do you guys think? Accurate?

https://i.imgur.com/pEs6osV.png

https://i.imgur.com/XwaoxNc.png

[Pine]

To be fair, it's not the 48% that most people care about, it's the other 52% that largely isn't shared with other Levantine populations.

Go look at the model. Much more than 48% is shared.

[Kamal900]

Go look at the model. Much more than 48% is shared.

Well, it depends on the Ashkenazi group itself where Russian Jews are the most Northern of European shifted Ashkenazi Jews while the Sephardic Jews are around the same percentage as Palestinian Muslims of their Canaanite ancestry, though the difference in percentages is small and not at all large.

[Pine]

Well, it depends on the Ashkenazi group itself where Russian Jews are the most Northern of European shifted Ashkenazi Jews while the Sephardic Jews are around the same percentage as Palestinian Muslims of their Canaanite ancestry, though the difference in percentages is small and not at all large.

The point is that he forgot what he was looking at. In this model, Ashkenazi_Russia scored 48% ancient Levant, while Palestinians scored 58% ancient Levant. That is not 48% of shared ancestry between Ashkenazi_Russia and Palestinians.

[Kamal900]

The point is that he forgot what he was looking at. In this model, Ashkenazi_Russia scored 48% ancient Levant, while Palestinians scored 58% ancient Levant. That is not 48% of shared ancestry between Ashkenazi_Russia and Palestinians.

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, it meant to show the ancient Canaanite ancestry from the Bronze age period in both Ashkenazi Jews from Russia and the Palestinian Muslim averages and so on. The differences is small in their percentages really since Russian Jews have some Balto-Slavic ancestry in them in contrast to say the Sephardic Jews.

[Smeagol]

You're going by a model by which they score 48% and Palestinians score 58%. This is amazingly convincing: those with 48% are foreigners and those with 58% are natives. Yeah, only a Jew would push that 48% is comparable to 58%. Get em, partner.

That just means that Netanyahu is partially right that Muslim Palestinians derive a significant portion of their ancestry from medieval Arab invaders.

[Kamal900]

That just means that Netanyahu is partially right that Muslim Palestinians derive a significant portion of their ancestry from medieval Arab invaders.

The same way that Ashkenazi Jews derive half of their ancestry from the local Southern European women. Netanyahu claimed that Palestinians are fully Arabians from the Arabian peninsula despite that's a complete horseshit. He never acknowledged that we're simply partially Arabian admixed. Both Jews and Arabs have over 50% Canaanite ancestry in general, bruh.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews

[Smeagol]

The same way that Ashkenazi Jews derive half of their ancestry from the local Southern European women. Netanyahu claimed that Palestinians are fully Arabians from the Arabian peninsula despite that's a complete horseshit. He never acknowledged that we're simply partially Arabian admixed. Both Jews and Arabs have over 50% Canaanite ancestry in general, bruh.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews

That's why I said Netanyahu is only partly right since 58% of Palestinian DNA is native. Netanyahu also probably thinks he's 100% native, but in reality Russian Jews at least have less than 50% Canaanite ancestry.

[Nassbean]

The same way that Ashkenazi Jews derive half of their ancestry from the local Southern European women. Netanyahu claimed that Palestinians are fully Arabians from the Arabian peninsula despite that's a complete horseshit. He never acknowledged that we're simply partially Arabian admixed. Both Jews and Arabs have over 50% Canaanite ancestry in general, bruh.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews

what about christian palestinians ?

[Kamal900]

what about christian palestinians ?

Much more genetically purer.

[Adamm]

what about christian palestinians ?


Christian Lebanese (and muslims) plot closest to ancient levantine people:

https://i.imgur.com/DGi3yH6.png
https://i.imgur.com/Nkt2SPQ.png

[Nassbean]

Christian Lebanese (and muslims) plot closest to ancient levantine people:

https://i.imgur.com/DGi3yH6.png
https://i.imgur.com/Nkt2SPQ.png

it would be nice to have some mizrahi jews too

[Adamm]

it would be nice to have some mizrahi jews too

If you have Mizrahi Jews G25 samples I can add them.

[Nassbean]

If you have Mizrahi Jews G25 samples I can add them.

Yemenite_Jew,0.051383,0.1447854,-0.0632486,-0.114066,-0.0118263,-0.0466941,-0.0134963,-0.0088677,0.0489689,-0.006274,0.0113209,-0.0266121,0.0539851,0.0032439,0.0035287,0.0171607,-0.0245497,0.003475,0.0064106,0.0249583,0.012888,0. 0159867,-0.0070954,0.0046479,-0.0068941
Iraqi_Jew,0.0891613,0.1404817,-0.0664988,-0.0757435,-0.023081,-0.020452,-0.0008617,-0.0081533,-0.0110443,-0.0013973,0.0038703,-0.0045458,0.0114718,0.0068125,-0.0076457,0.0080882,-0.004933,-0.0005913,0.0031425,-0.0114012,0.000395,-0.0037302,-0.0033483,-0.0038358,0.001996
Iranian_Jew,0.092829,0.1321318,-0.0645294,-0.0642411,-0.0321084,-0.0145023,0.0006006,-0.0045128,-0.012067,-0.0026324,0.0063512,-0.002681,0.0113312,-4.6e-05,-0.0018849,0.0097084,-0.0058819,0.0028296,0.005838,-0.0116306,-4.17e-05,-0.0009341,-0.0038618,-0.0004687,0.0005054
Syrian_Jew,0.0870745,0.142682,-0.0358265,-0.066538,-0.005847,-0.0220325,-0.0043475,-0.002423,0.0006135,0.008383,0.0064145,0.0004495,0. 0055,-0.0002065,-0.0001355,0.0007955,-0.003977,-0.002534,-0.0037705,-0.004815,0.001248,-0.003277,0.0030195,-0.001807,0.002335

[Adamm]

Yemenite_Jew,0.051383,0.1447854,-0.0632486,-0.114066,-0.0118263,-0.0466941,-0.0134963,-0.0088677,0.0489689,-0.006274,0.0113209,-0.0266121,0.0539851,0.0032439,0.0035287,0.0171607,-0.0245497,0.003475,0.0064106,0.0249583,0.012888,0. 0159867,-0.0070954,0.0046479,-0.0068941
Iraqi_Jew,0.0891613,0.1404817,-0.0664988,-0.0757435,-0.023081,-0.020452,-0.0008617,-0.0081533,-0.0110443,-0.0013973,0.0038703,-0.0045458,0.0114718,0.0068125,-0.0076457,0.0080882,-0.004933,-0.0005913,0.0031425,-0.0114012,0.000395,-0.0037302,-0.0033483,-0.0038358,0.001996
Iranian_Jew,0.092829,0.1321318,-0.0645294,-0.0642411,-0.0321084,-0.0145023,0.0006006,-0.0045128,-0.012067,-0.0026324,0.0063512,-0.002681,0.0113312,-4.6e-05,-0.0018849,0.0097084,-0.0058819,0.0028296,0.005838,-0.0116306,-4.17e-05,-0.0009341,-0.0038618,-0.0004687,0.0005054
Syrian_Jew,0.0870745,0.142682,-0.0358265,-0.066538,-0.005847,-0.0220325,-0.0043475,-0.002423,0.0006135,0.008383,0.0064145,0.0004495,0. 0055,-0.0002065,-0.0001355,0.0007955,-0.003977,-0.002534,-0.0037705,-0.004815,0.001248,-0.003277,0.0030195,-0.001807,0.002335

https://i.imgur.com/02uexps.png

Iraqi Jews and Irani Jews plot much closer than Ashkenazi Jews.

[Nassbean]

https://i.imgur.com/02uexps.png

Iraqi Jews and Irani Jews plot much closer than Ashkenazi Jews.

wow I wasn't expecting yemenite jews to be that far even italians are closer to ancient canaanites and yes it seems iraqi/iranian jews are even closer to them than the average palestinian interesting.

What about samaritan ? :

Samaritan,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462

[Adamm]

wow I wasn't expecting yemenite jews to be that far even italians are closer to ancient canaanites and yes it seems iraqi/iranian jews are even closer to them than the average palestinian interesting.

What about samaritan ? :

Samaritan,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462

The plus sign is the Samaritan:

https://i.imgur.com/2BJ6wz7.png
https://i.imgur.com/cC83D8J.png

[Nassbean]

The plus sign is the Samaritan:

https://i.imgur.com/2BJ6wz7.png
https://i.imgur.com/cC83D8J.png

basically the same people as ancient canaanites.

Even the way they speak hebrew sounds way more authentic and semitic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89pl6bFT6s

[Adamm]

basically the same people as ancient canaanites.

Even the way they speak hebrew sounds way more authentic and semitic : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89pl6bFT6s

It looks like they are the closest of all modern populations to the ancient levant/canaanites altogether with some Lebanese and Palestinian outliers. After that we have the Lebanese, Iraqi/Irani Jews, after that we have Palestinians and then we have the Ashkenazi Jews.

[Lucas]

can you add mine ?
im a Mountain Jew(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews) we are considered as Mizrahi Jews

my g25 coordinates- mountain jew north caucasus

sol_scaled,0.08992,0.128972,-0.056945,-0.057171,-0.036314,-0.013945,-0.00517,-0.011769,-0.017794,0.000729,0.002923,-0.000899,0.011596,-0.003853,-0.002714,0.012729,-0.001304,0.005194,0.005656,-0.006628,-0.007237,0.004451,-0.007272,0.005543,0.007544
sol,0.0079,0.0127,-0.0151,-0.0177,-0.0118,-0.005,-0.0022,-0.0051,-0.0087,0.0004,0.0018,-0.0006,0.0078,-0.0028,-0.002,0.0096,-0.001,0.0041,0.0045,-0.0053,-0.0058,0.0036,-0.0059,0.0046,0.0063

Interesting that you are close to Turkish.

Distance to: sol
0.09978790 Turkish_South
0.10331974 Turkish_Southwest
0.10389774 Turkmen
0.10494413 Turkish_Aydin
0.10636068 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10774027 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10915050 Tajik
0.10921625 Turkish_Northwest
0.11002632 Turkish_North
0.11834865 Roma_Granada
0.12115684 Turkish_Central
0.12296207 Roma_Bilbao
0.12388685 Roma_Balkans
0.12611251 Roma_Porto
0.12644882 Turkish_Adana
0.12668774 Azeri
0.12751603 Iranian_Bandari
0.12865033 Iranian_Seyyed
0.12909576 Tajik_Shugnan
0.12910448 Parsi_Pakistan
0.12924060 Parsi_India
0.13013647 Roma_Madrid
0.13098959 Turkish_Istanbul
0.13144501 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.13231845 Tatar_Lipka


Vahaduo



Target: sol
Distance: 0.3673% / 0.00367296
38.6 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
7.0 Balochi
6.8 French_Paris
5.6 Slovakian
5.0 Mlabri
4.8 Igbo
4.4 Albanian
3.6 Altaian
3.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
2.8 Mari
2.4 Luhya_Kenya
2.2 Shor_Mountain
2.0 Han_Shanghai
1.6 Mongolian
1.2 Tibetan_Chamdo
1.0 Cameroon_Bangwa
1.0 Evenk
1.0 Pima
0.8 Greenlander_East
0.8 Laka
0.8 Rai
0.8 Sakha
0.6 Kosipe
0.6 Mbuti
0.4 Esan_Nigeria
0.2 Bajo
0.2 Indonesian_Bali
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Khomani_San



Target: sol
Distance: 2.1736% / 0.02173615 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Turkmen
23.0 Turkish_South
10.4 Egyptian
10.0 Berber_Algeria
8.6 Maori
2.6 Roma_Bilbao
2.2 Bantu_S.E.
2.2 Iranian_Bandari
0.4 Kongo
0.2 Mbuti

[SUPREEEEEME]

Interesting that you are close to Turkish.

Distance to: sol
0.09978790 Turkish_South
0.10331974 Turkish_Southwest
0.10389774 Turkmen
0.10494413 Turkish_Aydin
0.10636068 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10774027 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10915050 Tajik
0.10921625 Turkish_Northwest
0.11002632 Turkish_North
0.11834865 Roma_Granada
0.12115684 Turkish_Central
0.12296207 Roma_Bilbao
0.12388685 Roma_Balkans
0.12611251 Roma_Porto
0.12644882 Turkish_Adana
0.12668774 Azeri
0.12751603 Iranian_Bandari
0.12865033 Iranian_Seyyed
0.12909576 Tajik_Shugnan
0.12910448 Parsi_Pakistan
0.12924060 Parsi_India
0.13013647 Roma_Madrid
0.13098959 Turkish_Istanbul
0.13144501 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.13231845 Tatar_Lipka


Vahaduo



Target: sol
Distance: 0.3673% / 0.00367296
38.6 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
7.0 Balochi
6.8 French_Paris
5.6 Slovakian
5.0 Mlabri
4.8 Igbo
4.4 Albanian
3.6 Altaian
3.4 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
2.8 Mari
2.4 Luhya_Kenya
2.2 Shor_Mountain
2.0 Han_Shanghai
1.6 Mongolian
1.2 Tibetan_Chamdo
1.0 Cameroon_Bangwa
1.0 Evenk
1.0 Pima
0.8 Greenlander_East
0.8 Laka
0.8 Rai
0.8 Sakha
0.6 Kosipe
0.6 Mbuti
0.4 Esan_Nigeria
0.2 Bajo
0.2 Indonesian_Bali
0.2 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Khomani_San



Target: sol
Distance: 2.1736% / 0.02173615 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Turkmen
23.0 Turkish_South
10.4 Egyptian
10.0 Berber_Algeria
8.6 Maori
2.6 Roma_Bilbao
2.2 Bantu_S.E.
2.2 Iranian_Bandari
0.4 Kongo
0.2 Mbuti

Think you may have mixed up scaled and unscaled:
Distance to: sol_scaled
0.00000000 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.02330229 Iranian_Jew
0.02580769 Assyrian
0.02701688 Georgian_Jew
0.03679200 Armenian
0.03711213 Iraqi_Jew
0.04024972 Lebanese_Druze
0.04075788 Druze
0.04195846 Ezid
0.04204446 Lebanese_Muslim
0.04267745 Kurdish
0.04273707 Syrian
0.04639884 Iranian_Lor
0.05026492 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.05047616 Karaite_Egypt
0.05227234 Turkish_Kayseri
0.05233584 Lebanese_Christian
0.05256170 Azeri_Turkey
0.05345152 Turkish_Trabzon
0.05356890 Azeri
0.05385358 Syrian_Jew
0.05401866 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05493396 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.05509012 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.05519211 Turkish_Adana

[Peterski]

Here are Ancient South Levant K12b results (I will check some other calcs later today too):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324099-NEW-Ancient-South-Levant-calculator-results

[SharpFork]

The plus sign is the Samaritan:

https://i.imgur.com/2BJ6wz7.png
https://i.imgur.com/cC83D8J.png
You should separate the Philistine cluster from the ancient Levant one, it extends it way too much given it is effectively an outlier.

[Lucas]

^^

I think for ancient samples better is using G25 Vahaduo.
Official Davidski sheets with added new West Asian samples.

SCALED

G25 Ancient Averages scaled (http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-averages-scaled.htm)
G25 Ancient Individual Samples scaled (http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25ancient-scaled.htm)
mixed G25 Modern AND Ancient averages scaled (http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern&ancient-scaled-averages.htm)

SCALED

Anatolia&Levant 2020

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324021-NEW-three-papers-with-ancient-Levant-genomes&p=6723649&viewfull=1#post6723649



South Levant 2020



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Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770,0.085367,0.13405,-0.073539,-0.0969,-0.023081,-0.041555,0.00564,-0.005077,-0.003477,0.011116,0.018837,-0.013338,0.01888,-0.009083,-0.009093,0.018828,0.005998,0.001014,0.001383,-0.005753,0.005116,0.004946,-0.000493,-0.001566,0.00012
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Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4519,0.093335,0.151314,-0.065242,-0.109821,-0.020619,-0.042949,-0.014336,-0.003923,0.006749,0.025513,0.006171,-0.001499,0.006987,0.006606,-0.007193,-0.013789,-0.008736,-0.003927,0.011816,0.004002,0.003494,-0.002226,-0.00493,-0.012411,0.006586
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Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2189,0.100164,0.14319,-0.021496,-0.02584,-0.030775,-0.007809,0.009165,-0.006231,-0.026384,-0.006743,0.011205,-0.013338,0.024975,0.005505,-0.008143,-0.00769,-0.02047,0.01723,0.013575,0.013882,-0.012478,-0.001237,-0.007518,-0.003374,-0.005389
Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200,0.095611,0.127957,-0.033187,-0.037791,-0.022773,-0.005857,-0.001175,-0.007384,-0.018407,-0.004738,0.008931,-0.001349,0.009068,0.003165,0.00095,-0.002254,-0.015385,0.004687,0.003771,-0.002251,0.004991,0.008779,0,-0.003374,0.000359
Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o2:I10100,0.103579,0.109677,-0.032432,-0.001292,-0.023081,-0.009482,0.004935,-0.011769,-0.028633,-0.013121,0.006171,-0.007793,0.003568,-0.013074,0.019001,0.0118,-0.002086,0.006588,0.018855,0.003502,-0.006738,0.014467,0.001479,-0.000361,-0.001437
Levant_Yehud_IBA,0.087644,0.160454,-0.054682,-0.102391,-0.006155,-0.041555,-0.004935,-0.002769,0.026588,0.013668,0.019487,-0.008243,0.016204,0.030139,-0.007329,-0.007823,-0.026077,0.003421,0.006662,0.005753,-0.00861,0.013973,-0.006039,0.003374,-0.002515


Lebanon 2020



Levant_Beirut_ERoman:SFI-11,0.087644,0.129988,-0.062602,-0.092378,-0.018157,-0.03263,-0.008225,0.001154,0.008999,0.018224,0.00341,-0.011839,0.027948,-0.004817,-0.013436,0.01843,0.013951,-0.019383,0.00352,-0.002751,0.006988,0.005441,0.009244,-0.000723,0.001197
Levant_Beirut_ERoman:SFI-15,0.081953,0.137096,-0.060339,-0.096577,-0.018773,-0.033746,-0.00611,-0.009692,0.007567,0.010387,0.001949,-0.004646,0.013082,-0.001101,-0.006107,0.009016,-0.001173,-0.003801,0.005531,-0.002001,0.005116,0.004081,-0.004437,0.003012,-0.001916
Levant_Beirut_ERoman:SFI-24,0.081953,0.148267,-0.058077,-0.088502,-0.013849,-0.032351,-0.004465,-0.005769,0.008181,0.004738,0.014453,-0.010041,0.024232,-0.002477,-0.005157,0.022805,0.014212,-0.001647,-0.003897,0.008004,0.001248,0.006183,-0.002218,0.009158,-0.005628
Levant_Beirut_ERoman:SFI-33,0.092197,0.147252,-0.049403,-0.086241,-0.010771,-0.026216,-0.001645,-0.008077,0.005113,0.008747,0.006171,-0.009591,0.006095,-0.002202,-0.015201,0.0179,0.018384,0.006841,0.002388,0.00337 7,-0.004243,0.003833,-0.006039,0.004338,-0.005508
Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic:SFI-5,0.061464,0.149283,-0.063356,-0.075259,-0.002154,-0.027331,-0.00282,-0.013384,-0.000205,0.005467,0.004384,0.005395,-0.002081,0.008945,-0.020494,-0.006497,-0.00326,0.00038,0.013952,-0.024012,0.004367,-0.000495,-0.00912,0.004699,-0.010418
Levant_Beirut_Hellenistic:SFI-20,0.068294,0.145221,-0.057322,-0.086564,-0.010463,-0.030957,-0.002115,-0.013846,0.003886,0.006378,0.005846,-0.006744,0.017988,-0.002202,-0.004072,0.001061,-0.01004,0.002027,0.005782,-0.001876,0.002496,0.009769,-0.002465,-0.008917,-0.000958
Levant_Beirut_IAII:SFI-55,0.088782,0.161469,-0.04978,-0.098192,-0.015695,-0.033467,-0.004465,-0.008307,0.015748,0.008201,0.005684,-0.012139,0.020069,0.010597,-0.016829,0.006895,0.005607,0.001267,0.00817,-0.004002,-0.004617,0.005935,-0.00986,-0.002048,-0.001796
Levant_Beirut_IAII:SFI-56,0.08992,0.149283,-0.059208,-0.102391,-0.017542,-0.041555,-0.0094,-0.000231,0.023725,0.005649,0.012342,-0.013638,0.027354,-0.002752,-0.012758,0.01896,-0.006258,0.003167,0.005154,0.006253,0.002121,0.005 193,-0.00912,-0.002048,-0.001916
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-34,0.091058,0.155376,-0.041483,-0.088825,-0.003693,-0.034582,-0.004465,-0.013615,0.018203,0.015126,0.011692,-0.002398,0.013677,0.00523,-0.014115,-0.000928,-0.000522,-0.00152,-0.003897,5e-04,-0.005241,0.009892,-0.002465,-0.00241,0.005628
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-35,0.0774,0.14319,-0.052043,-0.095608,-0.013233,-0.033467,-0.00423,-0.013384,0.014521,0.010205,0.011367,-0.003747,0.018137,0.001651,0.000543,-0.007955,-0.009648,0.006081,0.005656,0.00075,0.00025,0.00148 4,0.000493,-0.002892,0.00479
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-36,0.084229,0.155376,-0.051288,-0.091086,-0.01231,-0.035698,-0.002585,-0.010384,0.005931,0.008018,0.005846,-0.001948,0.00996,0.005505,-0.022937,-0.001458,-0.012647,-0.001014,0.004525,-0.005503,-0.004243,-0.000866,-0.001232,-0.004097,-0.003952
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-39,0.093335,0.161469,-0.046009,-0.099161,-0.013233,-0.033188,-0.00611,-0.013153,0.004295,0.01549,0.009419,-0.012739,0.013082,0.008395,-0.011401,-0.007425,-0.011604,-0.003547,0.007542,-0.001626,0.00287,0.00272,-0.002835,-0.000361,-0.011256
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-42,0.091058,0.14319,-0.045632,-0.082688,0.003385,-0.01757,-0.003995,-0.011076,0.004909,0.013303,0.003573,0.001349,0.004 906,0.002752,-0.009093,0.001591,0.007953,0.000887,0.009804,0.005 378,0.00861,0.006183,-0.007395,-0.010483,0.003113
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-45,0.08992,0.160454,-0.042238,-0.091732,-0.006463,-0.029562,-0.002115,-0.009692,0.014521,0.007472,0.001137,-0.00045,0.008622,0.007294,-0.015744,0.005701,0.005998,0.003801,-0.001006,-0.008129,0.004742,-0.000371,-0.004314,0.01205,-0.007903
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-47,0.087644,0.151314,-0.055437,-0.089794,-0.018773,-0.03765,-0.00282,-0.004384,0.00859,0.012574,0.009906,-0.005395,0.016799,-0.005505,-0.007465,0.006364,0.000522,0.002787,-0.00176,-0.00025,0.004617,0.010634,-0.00912,0,-0.003113
Levant_Beirut_IAIII:SFI-50,0.088782,0.149283,-0.05506,-0.089471,-0.017234,-0.032072,-0.003525,-0.003231,0.010022,0.026242,-0.003897,-0.008243,0.008176,-0.001239,-0.004479,0.013789,0.020079,-0.001647,-0.000251,0.001876,0.007861,0.006925,-0.000616,-0.000964,-0.003832
Levant_Beirut_IAIII_o:SFI-43,0.0387,0.144205,-0.052797,-0.11725,0.003385,-0.042391,-0.00987,-0.001385,0.046427,0.002551,0.01494,-0.018733,0.033151,0.002615,-0.004343,0.002652,-0.000913,-0.004054,-0.002765,0.02051,0.014974,-0.000989,-0.003081,0.005181,-0.002874
Levant_Beirut_IAIII_o:SFI-44,0.047806,0.148267,-0.04186,-0.094962,-0.00277,-0.035698,-0.012926,0.001385,0.037428,0.008383,0.010555,-0.01109,0.022299,-0.001927,0.008686,-0.011535,-0.014081,-0.001774,-0.004399,-0.002876,0.009858,0.006554,-0.000986,0.002771,0.001916

[Creoda]

Any models for modern Italians, Jews and Greeks?

[Lucas]

BTW:) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324110-Holy-smoke!-Cannabis-was-used-for-religious-rites-at-a-biblical-site-in-Israel-study-finds&p=6725654#post6725654

[SharpFork]

Any models for modern Italians, Jews and Greeks?

Tbh I don't think it changes much for non-Jews, the levantines samples we had before were good enough.

[Aren]

The paper on IA and Roman samples from Beirut confirmed that there was indeed Aegan-like and Iranian(possibly Mesopotamian) admix in the region starting from the late Iron Age. It seems like in some parts of Canaan it lingered in others it did not. Interesting how Samaritans show little of it, whilst Christian Levantintes require a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/ecR0oQP.png

[Kamal900]

The paper on IA and Roman samples from Beirut confirmed that there was indeed Aegan-like and Iranian(possibly Mesopotamian) admix in the region starting from the late Iron Age. It seems like in some parts of Canaan it lingered in others it did not. Interesting how Samaritans show little of it, whilst Christian Levantintes require a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/ecR0oQP.png

Can you do me and happycow? I think me and him are west asian shifted as well.

[Kamal900]

It looks like they are the closest of all modern populations to the ancient levant/canaanites altogether with some Lebanese and Palestinian outliers. After that we have the Lebanese, Iraqi/Irani Jews, after that we have Palestinians and then we have the Ashkenazi Jews.

It looks pretty accurate to me. I mean, one can look at the G25 results I had posted here, and that Palestinians are over 55% Canaanite while the average Lebanese Muslim gets more higher than that.

[SharpFork]

The paper on IA and Roman samples from Beirut confirmed that there was indeed Aegan-like and Iranian(possibly Mesopotamian) admix in the region starting from the late Iron Age. It seems like in some parts of Canaan it lingered in others it did not. Interesting how Samaritans show little of it, whilst Christian Levantintes require a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/ecR0oQP.png
I would use a Anatolian reference too, just to make sure wether it is "Greek-Roman admixture" vs local influence from the north.

[Aren]

Can you do me and happycow? I think me and him are west asian shifted as well.

There's something interesting going on here. Notice how all three Lebanese populations and Palestinian Christians follow Beirut_IA in that they require substantial Aegan admixture, meanwhile Southern Levantines, Muslims and Samaritans require close to zero just like Ashkelon_IA from Southern Canaan, once I add a North African-shifted individual(Sardinia_Punic). Which btw improves the fit a lot for all groups, especially for Palestinians and Jordanians. Cool how this is still the case in the region today.

With Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/CP53vDU.png

Without Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/MuAgzvm.png

[Kamal900]

There's something interesting going on here. Notice how all three Lebanese populations and Palestinian Christians follow Beirut_IA in that they require substantial Aegan admixture, meanwhile Southern Levantines, Muslims and Samaritans require close to zero just like Ashkelon_IA from Southern Canaan, once I add a North African-shifted individual(Sardinia_Punic). Which btw improves the fit a lot for all groups, especially for Palestinians and Jordanians. Cool how this is still the case in the region today.

With Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/CP53vDU.png

Without Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/MuAgzvm.png

Really interesting indeed. I mean, what's your take on it? Is it because we have Berber admixture that we got mostly from the Egyptians?

[Aren]

Really interesting indeed. I mean, what's your take on it? Is it because we have Berber admixture that we got mostly from the Egyptians?

Well I think the Iranian admixture and the North African in my run is a bit inflated for southern Levantines due to lack of relevant samples from the inland parts of the Levant. Something tells me that IA samples from say Jordan and Northern parts of Saudi Arabia will be more Iranian shifted than these Canaanites. Even the Bedouin_A sample which I think is from Israel is considerably shifted towards IRN_IA.

Target: BedouinA
Distance: 1.7005% / 0.01700484 | ADC: 0.25x
38.0 Canaan_BA
26.6 BedouinB
15.4 IRN_IA
15.2 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
4.8 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP

[Aren]

hey can you do mine? im from mobile

sol_scaled\MountainJew,0.08992,0.128972,-0.056945,-0.057171,-0.036314,-0.013945,-0.00517,-0.011769,-0.017794,0.000729,0.002923,-0.000899,0.011596,-0.003853,-0.002714,0.012729,-0.001304,0.005194,0.005656,-0.006628,-0.007237,0.004451,-0.007272,0.005543,0.007544

Target: sol_scaled
Distance: 2.1100% / 0.02109965 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 IRN_IA
34.2 Canaan_BA
5.6 ARM_LBA
4.8 GRC_Mycenaean

Not sure how accurate this is for an Eastern Mizrahi Jew, I would rather use the Eblaites to model you as you guys descend from Babylonian Jewry.

[Leto]

Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 8.83 Pct
Caucasian 33.71 Pct
NE-Euro 12.87 Pct
SE-Asian 2.24 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.76 Pct
American 0.06 Pct
Beringian 0.27 Pct
Mediterranean 23.52 Pct
SW-Asian 16.13 Pct
San 0.17 Pct
E-African 0.17 Pct
Pygmy 0.54 Pct
W-African 0.45 Pct
Target: Pine
Distance: 2.6553% / 2.65532435 | ADC: 0.5x
69.2 ashkenazy-jew
28.2 sephardic-jew
2.0 makrani
0.6 samoan

Target: Pine
Distance: 1.8544% / 1.85444497 | ADC: 0.25x
62.4 ashkenazy-jew
32.6 sephardic-jew
3.4 makrani
1.4 samoan
0.2 iban

So much of the Holy Middle Eastern ancestry! :D
The "ashkenazy-jew" reference is less NE-Euro than "ashkenazy" but you are even less than the former.

[SharpFork]

Target: Pine
Distance: 2.6553% / 2.65532435 | ADC: 0.5x
69.2 ashkenazy-jew
28.2 sephardic-jew
2.0 makrani
0.6 samoan

Target: Pine
Distance: 1.8544% / 1.85444497 | ADC: 0.25x
62.4 ashkenazy-jew
32.6 sephardic-jew
3.4 makrani
1.4 samoan
0.2 iban

So much of the Holy Middle Eastern ancestry! :D
The "ashkenazy-jew" reference is less NE-Euro than "ashkenazy" but you are even less than the former.
I imagine the SSA-like admixutre cames from Sephardic, on G25 southern European Jews had some amount of North African ancestry AFAIK

[Pine]

Target: Pine
Distance: 2.6553% / 2.65532435 | ADC: 0.5x
69.2 ashkenazy-jew
28.2 sephardic-jew
2.0 makrani
0.6 samoan

Target: Pine
Distance: 1.8544% / 1.85444497 | ADC: 0.25x
62.4 ashkenazy-jew
32.6 sephardic-jew
3.4 makrani
1.4 samoan
0.2 iban

So much of the Holy Middle Eastern ancestry! :D
The "ashkenazy-jew" reference is less NE-Euro than "ashkenazy" but you are even less than the former.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnhealthySereneIndochinahogdeer-size_restricted.gif

[Pine]

I imagine the SSA-like admixutre cames from Sephardic, on G25 southern European Jews had some amount of North African ancestry AFAIK

I'm the Ashkenazi huwhite man.

[Adamm]

can you add mine ?
im a Mountain Jew(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews) we are considered as Mizrahi Jews

my g25 coordinates- mountain jew north caucasus

sol_scaled\MountainJew,0.08992,0.128972,-0.056945,-0.057171,-0.036314,-0.013945,-0.00517,-0.011769,-0.017794,0.000729,0.002923,-0.000899,0.011596,-0.003853,-0.002714,0.012729,-0.001304,0.005194,0.005656,-0.006628,-0.007237,0.004451,-0.007272,0.005543,0.007544


edit-People get confused so i removed the non scaled coordinates

I will add you.

[Adamm]

You should separate the Philistine cluster from the ancient Levant one, it extends it way too much given it is effectively an outlier.

I will remove the outliers, thanks for the suggestions.

[Lucas]

I'm the Ashkenazi huwhite man.

What is huwhite?

[samario]

So Lebanese and Christian Palestinians have Aegean/Greek ancestry?

[SharpFork]

What is huwhite?

"White" + Lack of whine-wine merger(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8wh%E2%9F%A9)

[Fedora]

" We found an increase in ancestry related to populations from the Caucasus and Turks in the modern Lebanese population after the medieval period. Using admixture-induced linkage disequilibrium (LD) decay,47,48 we show that admixture occurred around 1640–1740 CE when Lebanon was under Ottoman rule (Figure S12). "


For example, in 1307 CE, the Mamluks divided Lebanon’s coast among 300 newly introduced Turkoman families,

However, their genetic contribution is not as evident: our previous ancient DNA (aDNA) work showed that people who live in the Near East today derive ∼90% of their ancestry from the local Bronze Age population that preceded all of the aforementioned historical conquests.

Does any Lebanese result actually show this? In an old paper the same was said.

[Hashoeva]

The same way that Ashkenazi Jews derive half of their ancestry from the local Southern European women. Netanyahu claimed that Palestinians are fully Arabians from the Arabian peninsula despite that's a complete horseshit. He never acknowledged that we're simply partially Arabian admixed. Both Jews and Arabs have over 50% Canaanite ancestry in general, bruh.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324033-DNA-from-the-Bible-s-Canaanites-lives-on-in-modern-Arabs-and-Jews

ashkenazi jews are very mixed from their father side as well. very different haplogroups. and only minority of it is semitic / haplogroup E. Palestinians have way more native levant ancestry. Jewish in the end is a religion. Most jews dont look middle-eastern in their appearance.

[Adamm]

can you add mine ?
im a Mountain Jew(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Jews) we are considered as Mizrahi Jews

my g25 coordinates- mountain jew north caucasus

sol_scaled\MountainJew,0.08992,0.128972,-0.056945,-0.057171,-0.036314,-0.013945,-0.00517,-0.011769,-0.017794,0.000729,0.002923,-0.000899,0.011596,-0.003853,-0.002714,0.012729,-0.001304,0.005194,0.005656,-0.006628,-0.007237,0.004451,-0.007272,0.005543,0.007544


edit-People get confused so i removed the non scaled coordinates

You are the black + mark in the Georgian cluster.

https://i.imgur.com/RzCo0gE.png

[Abdelnour]

What is huwhite?

Don't hurt me, no more

[Abdelnour]

There's something interesting going on here. Notice how all three Lebanese populations and Palestinian Christians follow Beirut_IA in that they require substantial Aegan admixture, meanwhile Southern Levantines, Muslims and Samaritans require close to zero just like Ashkelon_IA from Southern Canaan, once I add a North African-shifted individual(Sardinia_Punic). Which btw improves the fit a lot for all groups, especially for Palestinians and Jordanians. Cool how this is still the case in the region today.

With Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/CP53vDU.png

Without Sardinia_Punic

https://i.imgur.com/MuAgzvm.png

Hello, mind if you can run my results?

Scaled,0.088782,0.138112,-0.046763,-0.076228,-0.00954,-0.025658,-0.001175,-0.003692,0.001432,0.007472,0.009906,-0.007793,0.011893,-0.004266,-0.002172,0.016574,0.007302,-0.00152,0.003268,0.000375,0.004118,-0.000495,0.00493,-0.004699,0.000359

[Aren]

Hello, mind if you can run my results?

Scaled,0.088782,0.138112,-0.046763,-0.076228,-0.00954,-0.025658,-0.001175,-0.003692,0.001432,0.007472,0.009906,-0.007793,0.011893,-0.004266,-0.002172,0.016574,0.007302,-0.00152,0.003268,0.000375,0.004118,-0.000495,0.00493,-0.004699,0.000359

I think this is the most logical run for you, atm.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.8812% / 0.01881183 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Canaan_BA
27.2 IRN_IA
16.6 GRC_Mycenaean

However, like the other Levantines your fit becomes better when adding a North African-like sample, not sure how accurate this would be though.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.4138% / 0.01413812 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 Canaan_BA
30.4 IRN_IA
10.2 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
8.6 GRC_Mycenaean

[Pine]

ashkenazi jews are very mixed from their father side as well. very different haplogroups. and only minority of it is semitic / haplogroup E. Palestinians have way more native levant ancestry. Jewish in the end is a religion. Most jews dont look middle-eastern in their appearance.

It could be the dumbest thing I heard today and this is TA.

[Daos777]

It could be the dumbest thing I heard today and this is TA.

Haplo E is the chosen peoples and sheit man you better recognize


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[Abdelnour]

I think this is the most logical run for you, atm.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.8812% / 0.01881183 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Canaan_BA
27.2 IRN_IA
16.6 GRC_Mycenaean

However, like the other Levantines your fit becomes when adding North African-like sample, not sure how accurate this would be though.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.4138% / 0.01413812 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 Canaan_BA
30.4 IRN_IA
10.2 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
8.6 GRC_Mycenaean

Thanks, appreciate it.

[SharpFork]

I think this is the most logical run for you, atm.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.8812% / 0.01881183 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Canaan_BA
27.2 IRN_IA
16.6 GRC_Mycenaean

However, like the other Levantines your fit becomes better when adding a North African-like sample, not sure how accurate this would be though.

Target: Abdelnour
Distance: 1.4138% / 0.01413812 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 Canaan_BA
30.4 IRN_IA
10.2 ITA_Sardinia_Punic
8.6 GRC_Mycenaean

Sardinia_Punic is not North Africa, its MENA ancestry is mostly levantine, I would use Sardinia_C_O, Mozabite, Iberia_Central_CA_Afr

[Aren]

Sardinia_Punic is not North Africa, its MENA ancestry is mostly levantine, I would use Sardinia_C_O, Mozabite, Iberia_Central_CA_Afr

I used ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011 which is heavily North African, I didn't use the average which ofc is very mixed.
A NA shifted Punic makes much more sense for Levantines than Mozabites.

[SharpFork]

I used ITA_Sardinia_Punic:VIL011 which is heavily North African, I didn't use the average which ofc is very mixed.
A NA shifted Punic makes much more sense for Levantines than Mozabites.

10% North African ancestry in Lebanese doesn't make much sense to me though.

[Adamm]

Sardinia_Punic is not North Africa, its MENA ancestry is mostly levantine, I would use Sardinia_C_O, Mozabite, Iberia_Central_CA_Afr

Sardinia_Punic has North African shifted samples:

https://i.imgur.com/GPNO1Vu.png

[Adamm]

Thanks man!
instead of the black marker can you change it and label us as Mountain Jews ?

Remind me later, I've lost the whole model because of a stupid mistake I made so I need to remake it.

[SharpFork]

You are the black + mark in the Georgian cluster.

https://i.imgur.com/RzCo0gE.png
2 suggestions:

-Given you split Levant and North Levant, shouldn't you rename the first as South Levant?
-Instead of using ancient, divide the 2 cluster in iron age and bronze age, I believe you excluded copper age samples already.

[Adamm]

2 suggestions:

-Given you split Levant and North Levant, shouldn't you rename the first as South Levant?
-Instead of using ancient, divide the 2 cluster in iron age and bronze age, I believe you excluded copper age samples already.

Sure I can do that, so you mean like this:

Levant Iron Age
Levant Bronze Age

?

[SharpFork]

Sure I can do that, so you mean like this:

Levant Iron Age
Levant Bronze Age

?

Those 4 categories:

North Levant Iron Age
North Levant Bronze Age
South Levant Iron Age
South Levant Bronze Age

BTW I imagine by north we mean Syria+Lebanon and south Israel+Palestine+Jordania, also maybe it would be nice to add any Turkish samples that is within the region, if there are any, I need to check.

[Adamm]

Those 4 categories:

North Levant Iron Age
North Levant Bronze Age
South Levant Iron Age
South Levant Bronze Age

BTW I imagine by north we mean Syria+Lebanon and south Israel+Palestine+Jordania, also maybe it would be nice to add any Turkish samples that is within the region, if there are any, I need to check.

Ancient Turkish or modern Turkish?

Also do you have a list of G25 which already has been divided between Iron Age and Bronze Age?

[Mingle]

So basically central Asian migrations to the near east were already happening at 6000bc

Where do you think the Mittani came from? They're Indo-Iranians and Indo-Iranians originated in Central Asia. Based on the fact this Central Asian was almost entirely BMAC with minor Steppe, it was probably either some BMAC concubine that the Mittanis brought with them or one of the Mittanis that didn't have much Steppe admix.

Edit: Never mind. You were referring to the minor SC Asian admixture that came during the combined Persian and Greek rule.

[SharpFork]

Ancient Turkish or modern Turkish?

Also do you have a list of G25 which already has been divided between Iron Age and Bronze Age?

You must be having an hard time without this!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F2rKEVtu8nWSm7qFhxPU6UESQNsmA-sl/view

The main links are here, updated regularly:

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

If you want to thrace back the sample to a study, you can go to the list with the list of individual samples and check the name of the sample, they should guide you to the study if you ever need more precise data.

[SharpFork]

Where do you think the Mittani came from? They're Indo-Iranians and Indo-Iranians originated in Central Asia. Based on the fact this Central Asian was almost entirely BMAC with minor Steppe, it was probably either some BMAC concubine that the Mittanis brought with them or one of the Mittanis that didn't have much Steppe admix.
I believe Mitanni were becoming Indo-Aryan already, although obviously the difference was particularly big at the moment.

[Halgurd]

They’ve found my mtdna in Alalakh, I just noticed this now, dated to 1613-1461 cal BCE (3260 ± 24 BP, MAMS-33699). This would be either the Hittite or Mitanni period of the region.

ALA038 J1b3b1