Nassbean's closest populations

[Nassbean]

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.09699282 Egyptian
0.11922599 BedouinA
0.12941999 Palestinian
0.13079090 Jordanian
0.13478887 Spanish_Canarias
0.14249438 Maltese
0.14326400 Sephardic_Jew
0.14506420 Italian_Jew
0.14668289 Romaniote_Jew
0.14765688 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.14785834 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.14882011 Yemenite_Amran
0.14925499 Syrian
0.14984283 Syrian_Jew
0.15156541 Karaite_Egypt
0.15246166 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.15279143 Sicilian_West
0.15291436 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.15318984 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.15387079 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.15425074 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.15527435 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.15772180 Sicilian_East
0.15808383 Italian_Calabria
0.15825767 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.15918305 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.16028248 BedouinB
0.16114696 Samaritan
0.16118359 Italian_Campania
0.16207977 Druze
0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise
0.17020735 Italian_Umbria
0.17129806 Yemenite_Mahra
0.17162968 Italian_Marche
0.17283079 French_Corsica
0.17346266 Spanish_Asturias
0.17356858 Greek_Izmir
0.17385949 Roma_Barcelona
0.17399696 Italian_Tuscany
0.17416281 Spanish_Alacant
0.17469928 Italian_Liguria
0.17555578 Roma_Madrid
0.17561205 Spanish_Eivissa
0.17572571 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.17666508 Spanish_Menorca
0.17793906 Iraqi_Jew
0.17828830 Spanish_Baleares
0.17829318 Spanish_Valencia
0.17840899 Greek_Peloponnese
0.17846227 Italian_Piedmont
0.17865575 Greek_Thessaly
0.17872231 Spanish_Cataluna
0.17894513 Swiss_Italian
0.17966700 Roma_Granada
0.18032832 Spanish_Aragon
0.18047345 Spanish_Mallorca
0.18164037 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.18169178 Italian_Lombardy
0.18188053 Albanian
0.18188823 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.18216778 Spanish_Navarra
0.18220007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.18279564 Iranian_Jew
0.18296494 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.18300639 Spanish_Pirineu
0.18308307 Spanish_Castello
0.18313501 Italian_Bergamo
0.18327761 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.18344793 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.18357825 Sardinian
0.18359999 Spanish_Cantabria
0.18406075 Spanish_Girona
0.18414653 Roma_Bilbao
0.18421071 Turkish_Adana
0.18458293 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.18478453 Turkish_Istanbul
0.18497643 Spanish_Lleida
0.18506583 Spanish_Penedes
0.18535545 Roma_Porto
0.18616445 Turkish_Kayseri
0.18622170 Spanish_Barcelones
0.18641180 Italian_Veneto
0.18643628 Georgian_Jew
0.18701241 Turkish_Central


So a clear continuity with the Levant then european fringe pops like canarians and malteses. Closer to south italians than iberians and the closest iberians are people from extremadura and portugal due to their NA admixture.
Distances are still pretty high compared to what users get in general. We're really unique :cool:

[Pɪᴇᴛʀᴏ Cʜᴀʀᴅᴏɴɴᴇ]

Good results!

[gixajo]

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.09699282 Egyptian
0.11922599 BedouinA
0.12941999 Palestinian
0.13079090 Jordanian
0.13478887 Spanish_Canarias
0.14249438 Maltese
0.14326400 Sephardic_Jew
0.14506420 Italian_Jew
0.14668289 Romaniote_Jew
0.14765688 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.14785834 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.14882011 Yemenite_Amran
0.14925499 Syrian
0.14984283 Syrian_Jew
0.15156541 Karaite_Egypt
0.15246166 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.15279143 Sicilian_West
0.15291436 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.15318984 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.15387079 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.15425074 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.15527435 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.15772180 Sicilian_East
0.15808383 Italian_Calabria
0.15825767 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.15918305 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.16028248 BedouinB
0.16114696 Samaritan
0.16118359 Italian_Campania
0.16207977 Druze
0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise
0.17020735 Italian_Umbria
0.17129806 Yemenite_Mahra
0.17162968 Italian_Marche
0.17283079 French_Corsica
0.17346266 Spanish_Asturias
0.17356858 Greek_Izmir
0.17385949 Roma_Barcelona
0.17399696 Italian_Tuscany
0.17416281 Spanish_Alacant
0.17469928 Italian_Liguria
0.17555578 Roma_Madrid
0.17561205 Spanish_Eivissa
0.17572571 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.17666508 Spanish_Menorca
0.17793906 Iraqi_Jew
0.17828830 Spanish_Baleares
0.17829318 Spanish_Valencia
0.17840899 Greek_Peloponnese
0.17846227 Italian_Piedmont
0.17865575 Greek_Thessaly
0.17872231 Spanish_Cataluna
0.17894513 Swiss_Italian
0.17966700 Roma_Granada
0.18032832 Spanish_Aragon
0.18047345 Spanish_Mallorca
0.18164037 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.18169178 Italian_Lombardy
0.18188053 Albanian
0.18188823 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.18216778 Spanish_Navarra
0.18220007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.18279564 Iranian_Jew
0.18296494 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.18300639 Spanish_Pirineu
0.18308307 Spanish_Castello
0.18313501 Italian_Bergamo
0.18327761 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.18344793 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.18357825 Sardinian
0.18359999 Spanish_Cantabria
0.18406075 Spanish_Girona
0.18414653 Roma_Bilbao
0.18421071 Turkish_Adana
0.18458293 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.18478453 Turkish_Istanbul
0.18497643 Spanish_Lleida
0.18506583 Spanish_Penedes
0.18535545 Roma_Porto
0.18616445 Turkish_Kayseri
0.18622170 Spanish_Barcelones
0.18641180 Italian_Veneto
0.18643628 Georgian_Jew
0.18701241 Turkish_Central


So a clear continuity with the Levant then european fringe pops like canarians and malteses. Closer to south italians than iberians and the closest iberians are people from extremadura and portugal due to their NA admixture.
Distances are still pretty high compared to what users get in general. We're really unique :cool:

This high distances and homogeneity have sense if you think where you are located. You have mediterranean sea to the North and Sahara to the South, by land the main input hace come from East to West NA , trough the coast , and other inputs secondly from SSA (more modernly)and South Europe(from modern and old times).

[Kamal900]

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.09699282 Egyptian
0.11922599 BedouinA
0.12941999 Palestinian
0.13079090 Jordanian
0.13478887 Spanish_Canarias
0.14249438 Maltese
0.14326400 Sephardic_Jew
0.14506420 Italian_Jew
0.14668289 Romaniote_Jew
0.14765688 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.14785834 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.14882011 Yemenite_Amran
0.14925499 Syrian
0.14984283 Syrian_Jew
0.15156541 Karaite_Egypt
0.15246166 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.15279143 Sicilian_West
0.15291436 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.15318984 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.15387079 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.15425074 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.15527435 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.15772180 Sicilian_East
0.15808383 Italian_Calabria
0.15825767 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.15918305 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.16028248 BedouinB
0.16114696 Samaritan
0.16118359 Italian_Campania
0.16207977 Druze
0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise
0.17020735 Italian_Umbria
0.17129806 Yemenite_Mahra
0.17162968 Italian_Marche
0.17283079 French_Corsica
0.17346266 Spanish_Asturias
0.17356858 Greek_Izmir
0.17385949 Roma_Barcelona
0.17399696 Italian_Tuscany
0.17416281 Spanish_Alacant
0.17469928 Italian_Liguria
0.17555578 Roma_Madrid
0.17561205 Spanish_Eivissa
0.17572571 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.17666508 Spanish_Menorca
0.17793906 Iraqi_Jew
0.17828830 Spanish_Baleares
0.17829318 Spanish_Valencia
0.17840899 Greek_Peloponnese
0.17846227 Italian_Piedmont
0.17865575 Greek_Thessaly
0.17872231 Spanish_Cataluna
0.17894513 Swiss_Italian
0.17966700 Roma_Granada
0.18032832 Spanish_Aragon
0.18047345 Spanish_Mallorca
0.18164037 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.18169178 Italian_Lombardy
0.18188053 Albanian
0.18188823 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.18216778 Spanish_Navarra
0.18220007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.18279564 Iranian_Jew
0.18296494 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.18300639 Spanish_Pirineu
0.18308307 Spanish_Castello
0.18313501 Italian_Bergamo
0.18327761 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.18344793 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.18357825 Sardinian
0.18359999 Spanish_Cantabria
0.18406075 Spanish_Girona
0.18414653 Roma_Bilbao
0.18421071 Turkish_Adana
0.18458293 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.18478453 Turkish_Istanbul
0.18497643 Spanish_Lleida
0.18506583 Spanish_Penedes
0.18535545 Roma_Porto
0.18616445 Turkish_Kayseri
0.18622170 Spanish_Barcelones
0.18641180 Italian_Veneto
0.18643628 Georgian_Jew
0.18701241 Turkish_Central


So a clear continuity with the Levant then european fringe pops like canarians and malteses. Closer to south italians than iberians and the closest iberians are people from extremadura and portugal due to their NA admixture.
Distances are still pretty high compared to what users get in general. We're really unique :cool:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d64051a3668dffba77c3df1acdb68aa3/tenor.gif?itemid=5105485

At this point, we're basically cousins, rofl.

[Kamal900]

Distance to: Nassbean_scaled
0.09699282 Egyptian
0.11922599 BedouinA
0.12941999 Palestinian
0.13079090 Jordanian
0.13478887 Spanish_Canarias
0.14249438 Maltese
0.14326400 Sephardic_Jew
0.14506420 Italian_Jew
0.14668289 Romaniote_Jew
0.14765688 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.14785834 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.14882011 Yemenite_Amran
0.14925499 Syrian
0.14984283 Syrian_Jew
0.15156541 Karaite_Egypt
0.15246166 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.15279143 Sicilian_West
0.15291436 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.15318984 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.15387079 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.15425074 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.15527435 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.15772180 Sicilian_East
0.15808383 Italian_Calabria
0.15825767 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.15918305 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.16028248 BedouinB
0.16114696 Samaritan
0.16118359 Italian_Campania
0.16207977 Druze
0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise
0.17020735 Italian_Umbria
0.17129806 Yemenite_Mahra
0.17162968 Italian_Marche
0.17283079 French_Corsica
0.17346266 Spanish_Asturias
0.17356858 Greek_Izmir
0.17385949 Roma_Barcelona
0.17399696 Italian_Tuscany
0.17416281 Spanish_Alacant
0.17469928 Italian_Liguria
0.17555578 Roma_Madrid
0.17561205 Spanish_Eivissa
0.17572571 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.17666508 Spanish_Menorca
0.17793906 Iraqi_Jew
0.17828830 Spanish_Baleares
0.17829318 Spanish_Valencia
0.17840899 Greek_Peloponnese
0.17846227 Italian_Piedmont
0.17865575 Greek_Thessaly
0.17872231 Spanish_Cataluna
0.17894513 Swiss_Italian
0.17966700 Roma_Granada
0.18032832 Spanish_Aragon
0.18047345 Spanish_Mallorca
0.18164037 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.18169178 Italian_Lombardy
0.18188053 Albanian
0.18188823 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.18216778 Spanish_Navarra
0.18220007 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.18279564 Iranian_Jew
0.18296494 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.18300639 Spanish_Pirineu
0.18308307 Spanish_Castello
0.18313501 Italian_Bergamo
0.18327761 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.18344793 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.18357825 Sardinian
0.18359999 Spanish_Cantabria
0.18406075 Spanish_Girona
0.18414653 Roma_Bilbao
0.18421071 Turkish_Adana
0.18458293 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.18478453 Turkish_Istanbul
0.18497643 Spanish_Lleida
0.18506583 Spanish_Penedes
0.18535545 Roma_Porto
0.18616445 Turkish_Kayseri
0.18622170 Spanish_Barcelones
0.18641180 Italian_Veneto
0.18643628 Georgian_Jew
0.18701241 Turkish_Central


So a clear continuity with the Levant then european fringe pops like canarians and malteses. Closer to south italians than iberians and the closest iberians are people from extremadura and portugal due to their NA admixture.
Distances are still pretty high compared to what users get in general. We're really unique :cool:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d64051a3668dffba77c3df1acdb68aa3/tenor.gif?itemid=5105485

At this point, we're basically cousins, rofl.

[Nassbean]

This high distances and homogeneity have sense if you think where you are located. You have mediterranean sea to the North and Sahara to the South, by land the main input hace come from East to West NA , trough the coast , and other inputs secondly from SSA (more modernly)and South Europe(from modern and old times).

Yes even arabs called the maghreb : "Jazirat Al-Maghrib" which means the western island because as you said we live between the ocean and the sahara but in the case of iberia this difference is due to historical events not because of geographic barriers.

[Nassbean]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d64051a3668dffba77c3df1acdb68aa3/tenor.gif?itemid=5105485

At this point, we're basically cousins, rofl.

hahah yes but the average maghrebi is probably even closer than me because I'm less ME shifted than the average

[Cristiano viejo]

Closer to south italians than iberians and the closest iberians are people from extremadura and portugal due to MY IBERIAN admixture.


FIXED.

In any case and even accepting your ocurrences, look how much NA admixture Portuguese and extremadurans could have, that they are really distant to you :rolleyes:

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes even arabs called the maghreb : "Jazirat Al-Maghrib" which means the western island because as you said we live between the ocean and the sahara but in the case of iberia this difference is due to historical events not because of geographic barriers.
The Gibraltar strait in one of the greatest racial barrier ever.

[SharpFork]

The Gibraltar strait in one of the greatest racial barrier ever.
Nowadays, during the Roman period and up to reconquista it wasn't.

[Latinus]

Nice. You cluster closer to other non-Euro meds.

The proximity with Spanish Canarians is, obviously, derived from the fact that they are a mix of Spanish with NA, and you're North African yourself.

Don't understand the Ashkenazi German, why the close proximity with them?

[gixajo]

Yes even arabs called the maghreb : "Jazirat Al-Maghrib" which means the western island because as you said we live between the ocean and the sahara but in the case of iberia this difference is due to historical events not because of geographic barriers.

Both.

[Nassbean]

The Gibraltar strait in one of the greatest racial barrier ever.

yes because of historical events but many ancient south iberians were very close genetically to north africans

[gixajo]

Nice. You cluster closer to other non-Euro meds.

The proximity with Spanish Canarians is, obviously, derived from the fact that they are a mix of Spanish with NA, and you're North African yourself.

Don't understand the Ashkenazi German, why the close proximity with them?

Ashkenazi=part central Eastern European and part Jewish=so mixed Middle Eastern Dna and European

[Nassbean]

FIXED.

In any case and even accepting your ocurrences, look how much NA admixture Portuguese and extremadurans could have, that they are really distant to you :rolleyes:

if it's because of my iberian admixture why other spaniards are not as close to me as portugueses and extremadurans ? :rolleyes:

[Nassbean]

Nice. You cluster closer to other non-Euro meds.

The proximity with Spanish Canarians is, obviously, derived from the fact that they are a mix of Spanish with NA, and you're North African yourself.

Don't understand the Ashkenazi German, why the close proximity with them?

the distance with them is still high and there is proximity probably due to their levantine component

[Nassbean]

Both.

Not really this area was controlled by north africans many times and many ancient/medieval iberians were half NA and north africans received an iberian influx during the late neolithic which explains their 20% of iberian ancestry

[Nassbean]

Nice. You cluster closer to other non-Euro meds.

The proximity with Spanish Canarians is, obviously, derived from the fact that they are a mix of Spanish with NA, and you're North African yourself.

Don't understand the Ashkenazi German, why the close proximity with them?

yes and if we focus on individuals some gomerans are even closer to me than egyptians

[Nassbean]

Nowadays, during the Roman period and up to reconquista it wasn't.

also punic era

[Damião de Góis]

This dataset is missing some closer populations to you. You must have closer populations than Egypt for sure.
0.09 is my distance to the Swedish sample.

[SharpFork]

This dataset is missing some closer populations to you. You must have closer populations than Egypt for sure.
0.09 is my distance to the Swedish sample.

He obviously removed Maghrebis.

[Nassbean]

This dataset is missing some closer populations to you. You must have closer populations than Egypt for sure.
0.09 is my distance to the Swedish sample.

Yes I removed maghrebis I'm focusing on non-berber populations

[Rocinante]

Nice bro.

[Nassbean]

This dataset is missing some closer populations to you. You must have closer populations than Egypt for sure.
0.09 is my distance to the Swedish sample.

Also by looking at distances that europeans get it's clear that europeans form a more homogenous cluster compared to us and the middle east That's why I said we're unique

[samario]

You've got some Spanish ancestry so this doesn't apply to native North Africans.

[Nassbean]

You've got some Spanish ancestry so this doesn't apply to native North Africans.

all coastal north africans have iberian ancestry and It's very old :


By 3,000 BCE, a continuity in the Neolithic spread brought Mediterranean-like ancestry to the Maghreb, most likely from Iberia. Other archaeological remains, such as African elephant ivory and ostrich eggs found in Iberian sites, confirm the existence of contacts and exchange networks through both sides of the Gibraltar strait at this time. Our analyses strongly support that at least some of the European ancestry observed today in North Africa is related to prehistoric migrations, and local Berber populations were already admixed with Europeans before the Roman conquest. Furthermore, additional European/Iberian ancestry could have reached the Maghreb after KEB people; this scenario is supported by the presence of Iberian-like Bell-Beaker pottery in more recent stratigraphic layers of IAM and KEB caves. Future paleogenomic efforts in North Africa will further disentangle the complex history of migrations that forged the ancestry of the admixed populations we observe today.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

[Cristiano viejo]

if it's because of my iberian admixture why other spaniards are not as close to me as portugueses and extremadurans ? :rolleyes:

Because obviously your Iberian ancestors were Portuguese/extremadurans, who are neighbors and already closer each other.

Now I formulate the next: if it is because their NA admixture, why other spaniards are not as close to you as them? :rolleyes: it was due NA ancestry, you should be close to Galicians, same than you are relatively close to canarians. Not to extremadurans.

[Nassbean]

Because obviously your Iberian ancestors were Portuguese/extremadurans, who are neighbors and already closer each other.

Now I formulate the next: if it is because their NA admixture, why other spaniards are not as close to you as them? :rolleyes: it was due NA ancestry, you should be close to Galicians, same than you are relatively close to canarians. Not to extremadurans.

that's because on G25 extremadurans and portugueses have more NA admixture than galicians and I wonder why canarians are so close to me :rolleyes: ....probably my iberian admixture :lmao

and if I remember correctly galicians also have germanic admixture which makes them more northern shifted so more distant to me ;)

[Cristiano viejo]

that's because on G25 extremadurans and portugueses have more NA admixture than galicians and I wonder why canarians are so close to me :rolleyes: ....probably my iberian admixture :lmao

and if I remember correctly galicians also have germanic admixture which makes them more northern shifted so more distant to me ;)
Yourself are saying, it is another components and not the NA what makes you be closer or not to others. Supposedly spaniards have mor NA admixture than spaguetis but yet you are closer to them than to us, ask yourself why.

[Adamm]

that's because on G25 extremadurans and portugueses have more NA admixture than galicians and I wonder why canarians are so close to me :rolleyes: ....probably my iberian admixture :lmao

and if I remember correctly galicians also have germanic admixture which makes them more northern shifted so more distant to me ;)

Your Steppe is also a bit higher than the average coastal N. African.

[samario]

all coastal north africans have iberian ancestry and It's very old :



https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

There might be some ancient shared ancestry but autosomally Moroccans are less than 5% Spanish, aren't they? You've got recent Spanish ancestry, if I'm not mistaken.

[Cristiano viejo]

There might be some ancient shared ancestry but autosomally Moroccans are less than 5% Spanish, aren't they? You've got recent Spanish ancestry, if I'm not mistaken.

Some legionaries had an affair with th mother of nassbean :laugh: maybe for that he is so obsessed :laugh:
It could be that it was the very same Franco :lol:

[Nassbean]

Yourself are saying, it is another components and not the NA what makes you be closer or not to others. Supposedly spaniards have mor NA admixture than spaguetis but yet you are closer to them than to us, ask yourself why.

Yes other components can influence our distances to a certain populations ...but why do you pretend you understand genetics ? Since when are you into these debates ?


No need to talk I will show you that your people have more NA than "spaguetis" :

https://i.imgur.com/GGK3vz4.png


as you can see sicilians don't have as much northern components as spaniards and they have a levantine component. But spaniards still have way more berber than sicilians.

[Nassbean]

Your Steppe is also a bit higher than the average coastal N. African.

yes but not enough to drastically change my distances

[Nassbean]

There might be some ancient shared ancestry but autosomally Moroccans are less than 5% Spanish, aren't they? You've got recent Spanish ancestry, if I'm not mistaken.

no moroccans like me have around 15-20% in average and in my case I just have a bit more than the average but nothing big

[Nassbean]

Some legionaries had an affair with th mother of nassbean :laugh: maybe for that he is so obsessed :laugh:
It could be that it was the very same Franco :lol:

as far as I know I don't have a west european haplogroup :rolleyes: meanwhile at least two spanish members here have berber haplogroups ...

also franco looked moroccan af ask any maghrebi here and you'll see


I mean look at that berber padre :

https://i.imgur.com/ZnxMPtv.jpg

[mitalit]

Yes other components can influence our distances to a certain populations ...but why do you pretend you understand genetics ? Since when are you into these debates ?


No need to talk I will show you that your people have more NA than "spaguetis" :

https://i.imgur.com/GGK3vz4.png


as you can see sicilians don't have as much northern components as spaniards and they have a levantine component. But spaniards still have way more berber than sicilians.
? If you delete the iberian/ spanish samples delete the italians to

[Nassbean]

? If you delete the iberian/ spanish samples delete the italians to

here basques are used as a reference because they don't have NA admixture If I choose a random spanish sample it will not show the exact proportion of berber ancestry and also look at the distance it's very small

[mitalit]

here basques are used as a reference because they don't have NA admixture If I choose a random spanish sample it will not show the exact proportion of berber ancestry and also look at the distance it's very small

basques are not pure iberians, Although even if i am 1/4 basque i am very far from the basques samples. To do this is better to use ancient samples imo

[samario]

no moroccans like me have around 15-20% in average and in my case I just have a bit more than the average but nothing big

Really? Most Moroccans' results I've seen are nearly 100% North African. (23AndMe).

[gixajo]

Yes other components can influence our distances to a certain populations ...but why do you pretend you understand genetics ? Since when are you into these debates ?


No need to talk I will show you that your people have more NA than "spaguetis" :

https://i.imgur.com/GGK3vz4.png


as you can see sicilians don't have as much northern components as spaniards and they have a levantine component. But spaniards still have way more berber than sicilians.

I try all the Sicilian (6)and Castilla y León (3)samples in modern individual samples, and tried them in modern average model:


Target: Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
Distance: 0.8497% / 0.00849660
32.4 Karaite_Egypt
12.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
11.8 Sardinian
10.6 Italian_Bergamo
8.6 Spanish_Asturias
8.2 Sorb_Niederlausitz
7.8 Sephardic_Jew
5.4 Samaritan
1.2 Moroccan_Jew
0.6 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Igorot
0.2 Italian_Liguria
0.2 Tunisian_Jew

Target: Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
Distance: 1.2026% / 0.01202576
29.2 Sicilian_West
20.0 Italian_Molise
15.8 Samaritan
8.6 Sardinian
8.6 Spanish_Eivissa
8.4 Greek_Central_Anatolia
2.8 Spanish_La_Rioja
1.4 Fulani
1.4 Georgian_Imer
1.4 Saharawi
1.0 Gupta
0.6 Mari
0.4 Mbuti
0.2 Spanish_Alacant
0.2 Spanish_Asturias

Target: Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
Distance: 1.1058% / 0.01105752
32.2 Sicilian_West
19.8 Sardinian
14.8 French_Seine-Maritime
11.8 Iranian_Jew
7.8 Lithuanian_VZ
5.2 Georgian_Laz
2.6 Samaritan
1.6 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
1.6 Yemenite_Mahra
1.4 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
1.0 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.2 Eritrean

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
Distance: 1.0958% / 0.01095776
32.0 Sicilian_East
15.0 Sardinian
12.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
9.8 Lithuanian_SZ
9.4 Samaritan
7.6 Georgian_Laz
5.6 Italian_Calabria
4.0 Yemenite_Dhamar
2.6 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.6 Turkish_Trabzon
0.4 Papuan
0.4 Pulliyar
0.2 Berber_Algeria
0.2 Fulani
0.2 Yoruba

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
Distance: 1.4297% / 0.01429749
42.0 Sicilian_East
33.6 Italian_Lombardy
9.0 Karaite_Egypt
8.0 Samaritan
3.8 Yemenite_Jew
2.8 Spanish_Asturias
0.4 Gupta
0.2 Esan_Nigeria
0.2 Papuan

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
Distance: 1.1451% / 0.01145068
47.2 Sicilian_East
14.6 Italian_Marche
12.0 Greek_Trabzon
12.0 Sardinian
6.4 Italian_Molise
3.8 Italian_Calabria
2.0 Italian_Bergamo
0.8 Ethiopian_Agaw
0.6 Swiss_Italian
0.2 Greenlander_East
0.2 Mbuti
0.2 Murut

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
Distance: 1.0500% / 0.01050038
59.6 Spanish_Aragon
17.6 Spanish_Soria
7.4 Swiss_French
5.6 Spanish_Extremadura
4.0 French_Brittany
2.0 Berber_MAR_TIZ
1.8 French_South
1.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.6 Georgian_Imer
0.4 Ethiopian_Agaw

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 0.9754% / 0.00975407
62.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
21.4 Spanish_Asturias
3.6 Lithuanian_VZ
3.2 Saharawi
2.4 Lithuanian_PZ
2.4 Sardinian
1.8 Basque_Spanish
1.4 BedouinB
1.2 Finnish_East
0.6 Ket

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
Distance: 1.5577% / 0.01557736
69.8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
22.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
3.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
2.2 Azeri_Turkey
1.2 Iranian_Jew
0.4 Igorot
0.4 Somali
0.2 Balochi
0.2 Sardinian
0.2 Sephardic_Jew


Where did you get your sample of castilla y León and where did you run it?

[Nassbean]

basques are not pure iberians, Although even if i am 1/4 basque i am very far from the basques samples. To do this is better to use ancient samples imo

why are you saying that they are not pure iberians ? They are as pure as an iberian can get that's why they are often used as a reference and you're far from the basques samples because you have plenty of other components that they don't have and we can't mix ancient and modern samples

[Nassbean]

Really? Most Moroccans' results I've seen are nearly 100% North African. (23AndMe).

I'm talking about more serious calculators like G25 but if you want to focus on commercial tests ftdna is more accurate. with 23andME everyone is more than 90% of their ethnicity probably because it doesn't go back far in time

[mitalit]

why are you saying that they are not pure iberians ? They are as pure as an iberian can get that's why they are often used as a reference and you're far from the basques samples because you have plenty of other components that they don't have and we can't mix ancient and modern samples

What i mean is that the spaniards are not a basque with NA admix. You use the basque like a reference of Spain and is not like that. I am sure that that italian source have some berber.

[Damião de Góis]

that's because on G25 extremadurans and portugueses have more NA admixture than galicians and I wonder why canarians are so close to me :rolleyes: ....probably my iberian admixture :lmao

and if I remember correctly galicians also have germanic admixture which makes them more northern shifted so more distant to me ;)

You basically have a 0.16x distance to all western iberians (plus murcians).

0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise

[Nassbean]

I try all the Sicilian (6)and Castilla y León (3)samples in modern individual samples, and tried them in modern average model:



Where did you get your sample of castilla y León and where did you run it?

as you can see it's not good mixing everything. You have to take the "purest" components...you can't use spanish components because they already have NA ancestry in them so the result doesn't show the exact % of NA.

Here for example so you understand me :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 1.8902% / 0.01890239
46.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
13.8 Moroccan_North
10.8 Spanish_Navarra
7.6 Spanish_Extremadura
6.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
6.0 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
4.8 Sardinian
3.0 Saudi
0.8 Gupta
0.4 Biaka
0.4 Papuan


with that logic I'm only 0.4% SSA... which is of course false.


and that's the castilla y leon sample I used : Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404 773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754

[gixajo]

Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H,0.105855,0.146236,-0.003017,-0.046189,0.018465,-0.013945,0.00188,-0.004615,0.007772,0.021868,0.005359,0.006594,-0.015312,0.000963,-0.007329,-0.006497,0.000522,-0.004054,0.005405,-0.005503,0.00025,0.001484,-0.002588,0.005422,-0.000599
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H,0.102441,0.147252,-0.006034,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.016455,-0.003525,0.000923,0.00859,0.02442,0.008931,0.00389 7,-0.001041,0.001239,-0.001357,-0.008751,-0.015516,-0.000253,0.004274,-0.005878,-0.00262,0.00643,0,0.004579,-0.002754
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H,0.101303,0.146236,-0.012822,-0.039406,0.016926,-0.015618,-0.00423,0.003923,0.00634,0.017677,0.007632,0.00119 9,-0.002081,0.007156,-0.009093,-0.004243,0.006389,0.000887,0.003771,-0.00025,0.002246,0.000124,-0.003081,-0.003133,0.00455
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H,0.10927,0.14319,0.00 1508,-0.027778,0.020927,-0.005299,-0.00188,0.003,0.013294,0.018588,0.004709,0.006894,-0.003122,0.005505,0.000271,0.000265,-0.000782,0.00038,0,-0.006253,-0.00287,0.002968,-0.007395,-0.006868,-0.00467
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H,0.092197,0.146236,-0.006034,-0.040698,0.011694,-0.015897,0.000705,-0.000462,0.014521,0.025878,0.003897,0.004346,-0.001487,0.002064,-0.004343,-0.004773,0.002217,-0.003167,-0.003771,-0.006878,0.005865,0.005935,-0.000616,-0.000964,0.005029
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H,0.099026,0.147252,0.0 03394,-0.038114,0.025543,-0.008367,-0.000705,-0.000923,0.012271,0.022415,0.001624,-0.001948,-0.002081,-0.001927,-0.002714,-0.005038,-0.007041,0.00266,0.001131,-0.005253,-0.000499,-0.00643,-0.001602,-0.002651,0.000359
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500,0.105855,0.142174, 0.038843,-0.006137,0.041238,0.001116,0.000235,0.003692,0.030 065,0.028611,-0.005359,0.009741,-0.011298,-0.010597,0.013843,-0.009016,-0.012647,0.000507,-0.003645,-0.013381,-0.001747,-0.005317,0.003697,-0.005904,-0.007065
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501,0.103579,0.141159, 0.0445,-0.001615,0.045239,0.001673,-0.00423,0.007384,0.029451,0.026606,0.000812,0.0059 95,-0.008176,-0.007844,0.009908,-0.009679,-0.008996,-0.002027,-0.006285,5e-04,0.002246,0.003215,0.005423,-0.001566,0.000958
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506,0.113823,0.148267, 0.038089,0.001292,0.044931,0.002789,-0.001175,0.002769,0.02577,0.032438,-0.002436,0.007793,-0.016799,-0.017616,0.013029,-0.000928,0.001304,-0.003674,-0.003645,0.006003,0.000374,-0.000618,-0.005176,-0.000241,-0.002155



I compared 4 random samples of all Moroccan individual samples(one of each region/type) and distances are:


Distance to: Moroccan:MCA38
0.25000964 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.25625146 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.25904874 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.26048569 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.26603039 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.26815723 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.27320815 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.27461348 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.28394597 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew4683
0.04903805 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.05436348 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.05469087 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.05598860 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.06262758 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.06678920 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.10515866 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.10873877 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.11287387 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_North:MNA3
0.13945438 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.14308267 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.15008786 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.15068705 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.15328301 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.15584912 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.15934093 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.15984847 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.16971815 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_South:MOU8
0.35965967 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.36589206 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.36938284 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.37061690 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.37382310 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.37551220 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.37644609 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.37713472 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.38601840 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

If you try all maybe you find one that is closer to castilla y León than to Sicily samples.


Moroccan:MCA14,-0.05122,0.128972,-0.024513,-0.086887,0.015387,-0.038208,-0.026321,0.004384,0.05604,0.02934,0.010068,-0.017534,0.031665,-0.010184,0.0095,-0.00305,-0.002086,-0.010642,-0.043994,0.007504,-0.007986,-0.033386,0.026375,-0.001446,0.000718
Moroccan:MCA16,-0.07057,0.133034,-0.015085,-0.07106,0.022466,-0.035419,-0.024676,0.010846,0.059925,0.019864,0.013316,-0.009292,0.026462,-0.003303,0.018729,-0.006232,-0.0103,-0.019763,-0.031047,0.000875,-0.006738,-0.023123,0.020829,-0.005543,0.005029
Moroccan:MCA19,-0.149108,0.119832,-0.001886,-0.056525,0.016003,-0.023427,-0.034547,0.011076,0.039678,0.030251,0.010555,-0.004346,0.02215,-0.015414,0.018051,-0.00769,-0.005215,-0.019003,-0.033813,0.011506,-0.014225,-0.020403,0.017501,0.001325,0.006227
Moroccan:MCA37,-0.05122,0.132019,-0.006411,-0.068153,0.021235,-0.039045,-0.031491,0.010384,0.059925,0.024237,0.009581,-0.007493,0.026462,-0.017065,0.013301,-0.006762,-0.017341,-0.021284,-0.040349,0.007629,-0.003119,-0.027822,0.012818,-0.007712,-0.000958
Moroccan:MCA38,-0.144555,0.13405,-0.015462,-0.061693,0.012618,-0.022032,-0.029141,0.012923,0.033133,0.019681,0.00406,-0.014237,0.026164,-0.007294,0.023208,-0.002784,-0.002608,-0.007728,-0.025517,0.014257,-0.004492,-0.027451,0.007025,0.002651,-0.002994
Moroccan:MCA39,-0.101303,0.132019,-0.015085,-0.06783,0.019388,-0.032072,-0.023736,0.00923,0.057267,0.024784,0.010068,-0.012439,0.033895,-0.01968,0.018322,0.000663,0.018515,-0.012796,-0.035195,0.011005,-0.002496,-0.031037,0.028347,0.002169,0.011376
Moroccan:MCA7,-0.07057,0.132019,-0.013199,-0.073644,0.028928,-0.036814,-0.021386,0.01223,0.062584,0.013668,0.008119,-0.007643,0.019921,-0.020231,0.013708,-0.007292,-0.008214,-0.018116,-0.038715,0.002626,-0.014724,-0.022876,0.017748,0.003012,0.015088
Moroccan:MCA8,-0.083091,0.126941,-0.009805,-0.076228,0.024312,-0.032351,-0.031491,0.010153,0.055221,0.028611,0.009256,-0.005695,0.030921,-0.016102,0.011401,-0.002254,0.000391,-0.020777,-0.039846,0.009379,-0.016596,-0.029924,0.022924,-0.003133,0.003712
Moroccan:MCA9,-0.046667,0.133034,-0.013953,-0.075905,0.029852,-0.037092,-0.027261,0.006692,0.074856,0.029158,0.010555,-0.002548,0.025272,-0.020919,0.020494,-0.020286,0.001956,-0.023184,-0.057318,0.020135,-0.018218,-0.049585,0.034633,-0.001446,0.015088
Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew4683,0.084229,0.145221,-0.021496,-0.056202,0.008309,-0.022032,-0.013161,-0.002308,0.012271,0.027335,0.012991,-0.005395,0.015758,-0.005092,0.002714,0.009281,-0.007562,-0.003674,-0.016215,-0.004627,-0.000374,-0.012118,0.013188,-0.000843,0.00012
Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew4789,0.072847,0.144205,-0.023759,-0.062339,0.014772,-0.01506,-0.00517,0.006231,0.01493,0.018953,0.006171,-0.003297,0.000892,-0.002615,0.006243,0.004641,0.002999,-0.005574,-0.009427,-0.002501,-0.001497,-0.006801,0.013188,-0.008314,0.000239
Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew5126,0.078538,0.147252,-0.016216,-0.063631,0.012618,-0.021753,-0.007285,-0.006231,0.02352,0.028611,0.00406,-0.002098,0.004162,-0.00578,0.004614,-0.005569,-0.016168,-0.004434,-0.008296,-0.007754,-0.000125,-0.003833,0.00456,0.002651,0.002994
Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew5168,0.0774,0.135065,-0.008297,-0.064277,0.007694,-0.01757,-0.016686,-0.004615,0.014317,0.019864,0.008444,-0.000599,0.004162,-0.007294,0.006515,0.004773,0.014081,-0.003927,-0.017221,-0.006878,-0.004617,-0.011376,0.007025,0.000241,0.000958
Moroccan_North:MCH11,-0.017073,0.142174,0.004903,-0.060078,0.030775,-0.028726,-0.042067,0.009,0.062175,0.045012,0.001299,-0.008243,0.02334,-0.016102,0.016965,-0.014054,-0.006258,-0.009755,-0.050908,0.014882,-0.013102,-0.029924,0.017501,-0.011568,0.005269
Moroccan_North:MCH12,-0.033009,0.139128,0.00528,-0.066538,0.042777,-0.039602,-0.029376,0.005538,0.068515,0.025695,0.010068,-0.01124,0.030029,-0.005367,0.021715,-0.016971,-0.002738,-0.016723,-0.040223,0.011005,-0.019965,-0.041671,0.028593,-0.012773,0.002155
Moroccan_North:MCH13,-0.013659,0.129988,-0.001508,-0.062016,0.01908,-0.035419,-0.017391,0.006923,0.070356,0.044466,-0.006171,-0.001199,0.018731,-0.01968,0.002036,-0.017237,-0.004563,-0.025211,-0.048394,0.005628,-0.009982,-0.035117,0.027484,-0.008917,0.005389
Moroccan_North:MCH16,-0.028456,0.137096,-0.004525,-0.064923,0.028928,-0.032351,-0.024441,0.014538,0.070561,0.026789,0.020948,0.002 398,0.010704,-0.020643,0.019001,-0.030893,-0.009909,-0.029138,-0.047011,0.004377,-0.011729,-0.044268,0.027484,-0.001687,0.001317
Moroccan_North:MCH18,-0.034147,0.135065,0.009051,-0.062339,0.026159,-0.032351,-0.029376,0.007154,0.069743,0.035172,0.004547,-0.006145,0.016501,-0.018854,0.028501,-0.012861,0.005476,-0.014569,-0.041103,0.01113,-0.007986,-0.024854,0.024773,-0.001687,0.006945
Moroccan_North:MCH7,-0.035285,0.135065,0.007165,-0.069122,0.03139,-0.024263,-0.020446,0.009461,0.06872,0.030798,0.005684,-0.004046,0.022448,-0.024084,0.019544,-0.003315,-0.002738,-0.023437,-0.049902,0.002501,-0.021961,-0.037714,0.023417,-0.007953,0.023231
Moroccan_North:MCH8,-0.033009,0.133034,0.001131,-0.053941,0.034468,-0.029005,-0.036427,0.006923,0.059721,0.041003,0.011692,-0.004196,0.019475,-0.021056,0.020901,0.004508,0.013169,-0.028378,-0.046005,0.01138,-0.013601,-0.035736,0.024033,0.000482,-0.000599
Moroccan_North:MCH9,-0.022765,0.136081,0.00528,-0.061047,0.042162,-0.026495,-0.021151,0.007846,0.06463,0.045377,-0.003248,-0.010191,0.023934,-0.020368,0.021851,-0.004243,0.007562,-0.023691,-0.043114,0.00988,-0.009982,-0.035117,0.020459,-0.007471,0.002874
Moroccan_North:MNA1,-0.020488,0.131003,0.002263,-0.070737,0.02462,-0.034582,-0.025851,-0.003923,0.06238,0.027518,0.003085,-0.008992,0.023191,-0.007707,0.009093,-0.016176,0.00339,-0.019763,-0.04412,0.007879,-0.009358,-0.032397,0.017871,-0.001325,-0.000479
Moroccan_North:MNA3,-0.003415,0.135065,-0.001886,-0.072675,0.034468,-0.023985,-0.019976,0.001846,0.063811,0.02934,0.00682,0.00314 7,0.013379,-0.01101,0.019001,-0.005304,0.005998,-0.024198,-0.034944,0.008754,-0.018093,-0.035859,0.026005,-0.006627,0.003832
Moroccan_North:MNA4,-0.020488,0.147252,-0.006411,-0.057171,0.032314,-0.034025,-0.021621,0.007154,0.053381,0.031162,-0.000162,-0.014387,0.01219,-0.009358,0.008007,-0.005701,-0.007041,-0.012796,-0.039343,0.006128,-0.023084,-0.039322,0.018857,-0.00735,0.008263
Moroccan_North:MNA6,-0.017073,0.142174,-0.006788,-0.078166,0.025235,-0.033188,-0.017626,-0.002769,0.062584,0.036994,-0.000487,-0.003897,0.01219,-0.02257,0.009636,-0.0118,0.007562,-0.024198,-0.036704,0.016008,-0.015847,-0.040311,0.02428,-0.010724,0.00455
Moroccan_North:MNA8,-0.05805,0.142174,-0.010182,-0.077843,0.024004,-0.032351,-0.019506,-0.002077,0.050722,0.030798,0.017538,-0.013338,0.016055,-0.011285,0.018594,-0.010607,-0.012908,-0.004941,-0.031299,0.016133,-0.003619,-0.027451,0.01368,-0.009399,-0.002754
Moroccan_North:MNA9,-0.068294,0.142174,-0.003394,-0.079135,0.017234,-0.031515,-0.017626,0.010846,0.0452,0.019317,0.011367,-3e-04,0.018434,-0.003165,0.015879,-0.006232,0.00665,-0.018877,-0.032807,0.015132,-0.009109,-0.023123,0.021322,-0.008796,0.007784
Moroccan_North:MOJ2,-0.013659,0.127957,-0.006788,-0.072675,0.015695,-0.035698,-0.023266,0.001615,0.045404,0.031527,0.011042,-0.008692,0.015461,-0.013074,0.015879,-0.010607,0.0103,-0.010769,-0.03243,0.007504,-0.001123,-0.036849,0.006779,0.010363,0.005269
Moroccan_North:MOJ3,-0.037562,0.139128,-0.009428,-0.061047,0.035391,-0.034025,-0.025381,-0.003461,0.05788,0.027518,0.005521,-0.010341,0.021853,-0.012799,0.008686,-0.004641,0.005998,-0.012035,-0.041983,0.008504,-0.012228,-0.044268,0.022801,0.002289,-0.000359
Moroccan_North:MOJ6,-0.034147,0.140143,-0.014331,-0.065246,0.016926,-0.039881,-0.017861,0.009461,0.06422,0.030798,0.004872,-0.005695,0.011298,-0.01445,0.001493,-0.020551,0.000652,-0.014696,-0.037961,0.002376,-0.017469,-0.023494,0.025019,-0.008314,0.003233
Moroccan_North:MOJ8,-0.048944,0.137096,-0.024513,-0.078489,0.023389,-0.027052,-0.030786,0.004846,0.057676,0.029887,0.001949,-0.012589,0.025421,-0.013212,0.015744,-0.003447,0.002086,-0.010515,-0.035195,0.008129,-0.001248,-0.035859,0.015529,-0.008917,0.003233
Moroccan_South:ERR11,-0.300493,0.106631,0,-0.03553,0.015387,-0.008646,-0.031491,0.025845,0.030474,0.022051,-0.003897,-0.002997,0.011744,-0.025873,0.019001,-0.008353,0.006389,-0.015709,-0.02338,0.012506,-0.003119,-0.042413,0.009367,-0.003253,-0.005508
Moroccan_South:ERR12,-0.053497,0.137096,-0.000377,-0.075582,0.030775,-0.035419,-0.035722,0.002538,0.088559,0.036265,0.002598,-0.010641,0.027502,-0.019955,0.028637,-0.018828,0.006519,-0.024324,-0.064357,0.005002,-0.025081,-0.052676,0.042767,-0.010122,0.016166
Moroccan_South:ERR18,-0.055773,0.14319,-0.006788,-0.066861,0.025543,-0.042112,-0.026321,0.010153,0.074447,0.033896,0.006658,-0.001798,0.018583,-0.014313,0.017644,-0.011005,-0.001695,-0.019383,-0.047388,0.011005,-0.011105,-0.039074,0.018857,-0.005061,0.011256
Moroccan_South:ERR20,-0.339193,0.097491,0.008297,-0.034238,0.011694,-0.015339,-0.031491,0.028153,0.02802,0.023144,0.009581,-0.001798,0.017393,-0.010459,0.022801,-0.016706,-0.00352,-0.014316,-0.021494,-0.004502,-0.014849,-0.021887,0.01972,0.008796,0.006586
Moroccan_South:MOU11,-0.185532,0.118817,0.006788,-0.053295,0.028313,-0.028168,-0.027966,0.017538,0.051745,0.035901,0.001299,-0.006294,0.014866,-0.018304,0.017236,-0.020286,-0.007693,-0.02065,-0.041857,0.002751,-0.017844,-0.034128,0.023787,-0.005904,0.002275
Moroccan_South:MOU12,-0.067156,0.14319,0.00264,-0.083011,0.033852,-0.037929,-0.029611,0.009,0.089172,0.02606,0.013316,-0.01169,0.016204,-0.02835,0.013708,-0.019491,-0.000652,-0.027111,-0.061089,0.016758,-0.022585,-0.058488,0.028224,-0.010122,0.008622
Moroccan_South:MOU15,-0.076261,0.128972,0.002263,-0.067184,0.028928,-0.027052,-0.032901,0.001846,0.07506,0.024784,0.011854,-0.014837,0.033449,-0.022708,0.015744,-0.01074,-0.001695,-0.01685,-0.038464,0.007754,-0.024332,-0.044886,0.029333,-0.004699,0.003353
Moroccan_South:MOU17,-0.267484,0.111708,0.009428,-0.046512,0.012618,-0.017849,-0.042067,0.032076,0.033951,0.030251,0.007795,0.004 046,0.03107,-0.015551,0.012758,-0.020551,0.006389,-0.020524,-0.039595,0.005378,-0.010482,-0.031037,0.015036,0.005663,-0.001557
Moroccan_South:MOU18,-0.07057,0.138112,-0.010559,-0.077197,0.033237,-0.031236,-0.031491,-0.000231,0.07506,0.027882,0.009581,-0.003147,0.023042,-0.019267,0.016151,-0.020286,-0.000391,-0.025211,-0.049148,0.012756,-0.026453,-0.053047,0.026498,-0.004097,0.008382
Moroccan_South:MOU19,-0.258378,0.105615,0.004903,-0.050065,0.021235,-0.024263,-0.029376,0.020999,0.036201,0.024966,-0.000325,0.002847,0.022894,-0.011423,0.017101,-0.022275,-0.014733,-0.020524,-0.024763,-0.005253,-0.018218,-0.037219,0.015406,-0.006868,0.006227
Moroccan_South:MOU20,-0.350575,0.094444,0.010182,-0.020672,0.026466,-0.011992,-0.032196,0.022614,0.010022,0.024237,0.015589,-0.004196,0.019177,-0.015001,0.008686,-0.012994,0.004433,-0.011275,-0.030293,0.017884,-0.009234,-0.021392,0.021445,-0.005904,0.008382
Moroccan_South:MOU4,-0.151385,0.127957,-0.000754,-0.062985,0.034468,-0.044344,-0.037367,0.008538,0.062789,0.027153,0.013316,-0.007643,0.032408,-0.023121,0.024565,-0.014452,0.004433,-0.022297,-0.052667,0.006753,-0.020963,-0.041671,0.037837,-0.000482,0.015088
Moroccan_South:MOU5,-0.071709,0.125926,-0.010182,-0.085918,0.025235,-0.033188,-0.033136,0.009692,0.084264,0.036812,0.002923,-0.018284,0.027502,-0.021469,0.018187,-0.009679,0.000522,-0.023311,-0.061466,0.006378,-0.018717,-0.05144,0.03303,-0.005904,-0.003113
Moroccan_South:MOU6,-0.080814,0.138112,-0.01697,-0.072998,0.02739,-0.036535,-0.028906,0.005307,0.066266,0.024784,0.005196,-0.010641,0.02661,-0.01968,0.022801,-0.007292,0.015255,-0.025084,-0.047137,0.022886,0.000624,-0.038332,0.030935,-0.011568,0.005029
Moroccan_South:MOU7,-0.367649,0.093429,0.007542,-0.031331,0.009848,-0.010319,-0.031021,0.025614,0.010226,0.02934,0.002598,-0.004496,0.019326,-0.003578,0.018865,-0.018563,-0.002477,-0.009882,-0.018478,0.007128,-0.006738,-0.023741,0.012078,0.000843,0.00491
Moroccan_South:MOU8,-0.254964,0.107646,0.00528,-0.047481,0.018465,-0.024821,-0.034077,0.023999,0.044791,0.029158,-0.001137,-0.017534,0.022002,-0.008257,0.015744,-0.013789,0.006389,-0.006334,-0.031047,0.01113,-0.008111,-0.023865,0.020829,0.002771,0.001796

I forgot one Mozabite random sample:


Distance to: Mozabite:HGDP01263
0.15825312 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.16312177 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.16896630 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.16977195 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.17361818 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.17695173 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.17999252 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.18057998 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.19036086 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

[Nassbean]

You basically have a 0.16x distance to all western iberians (plus murcians).

0.16256988 Spanish_Extremadura
0.16269633 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.16336021 Yemenite_Jew
0.16341308 Portuguese
0.16363718 Cypriot
0.16429809 Italian_Basilicata
0.16526840 Italian_Apulia
0.16660307 Italian_Abruzzo
0.16699909 Spanish_Andalucia
0.16776248 Saudi
0.16791482 Italian_Lazio
0.16801376 Greek_Crete
0.16808229 Spanish_Murcia
0.16820215 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.16841836 Spanish_Galicia
0.16895161 Greek_Kos
0.16977449 Italian_Molise

yes...who talked about this ? I think you misunderstood my point

[Nassbean]

[code]Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H,0.105855,0.146236,-0.003017,-0.046189,0.018465,-0.013945,0.00188,-0.004615,0.007772,0.021868,0.005359,0.006594,-0.015312,0.000963,-0.007329,-0.006497,0.000522,-0.004054,0.005405,-0.005503,0.00025,0.001484,-0.002588,0.005422,-0.000599

I forgot one Mozabite random sample:


Yes but iberians still have more berber admixture than any italian ...I never said iberians are closer to us than sicilians

[Damião de Góis]

yes...who talked about this ? I think you misunderstood my point

I mean your distances between those are small, so your distances to extremadurans, portuguese or galicians are actually very similar.

[gixajo]

Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H,0.105855,0.146236,-0.003017,-0.046189,0.018465,-0.013945,0.00188,-0.004615,0.007772,0.021868,0.005359,0.006594,-0.015312,0.000963,-0.007329,-0.006497,0.000522,-0.004054,0.005405,-0.005503,0.00025,0.001484,-0.002588,0.005422,-0.000599
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H,0.102441,0.147252,-0.006034,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.016455,-0.003525,0.000923,0.00859,0.02442,0.008931,0.00389 7,-0.001041,0.001239,-0.001357,-0.008751,-0.015516,-0.000253,0.004274,-0.005878,-0.00262,0.00643,0,0.004579,-0.002754
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H,0.101303,0.146236,-0.012822,-0.039406,0.016926,-0.015618,-0.00423,0.003923,0.00634,0.017677,0.007632,0.00119 9,-0.002081,0.007156,-0.009093,-0.004243,0.006389,0.000887,0.003771,-0.00025,0.002246,0.000124,-0.003081,-0.003133,0.00455
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H,0.10927,0.14319,0.00 1508,-0.027778,0.020927,-0.005299,-0.00188,0.003,0.013294,0.018588,0.004709,0.006894,-0.003122,0.005505,0.000271,0.000265,-0.000782,0.00038,0,-0.006253,-0.00287,0.002968,-0.007395,-0.006868,-0.00467
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H,0.092197,0.146236,-0.006034,-0.040698,0.011694,-0.015897,0.000705,-0.000462,0.014521,0.025878,0.003897,0.004346,-0.001487,0.002064,-0.004343,-0.004773,0.002217,-0.003167,-0.003771,-0.006878,0.005865,0.005935,-0.000616,-0.000964,0.005029
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H,0.099026,0.147252,0.0 03394,-0.038114,0.025543,-0.008367,-0.000705,-0.000923,0.012271,0.022415,0.001624,-0.001948,-0.002081,-0.001927,-0.002714,-0.005038,-0.007041,0.00266,0.001131,-0.005253,-0.000499,-0.00643,-0.001602,-0.002651,0.000359
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500,0.105855,0.142174, 0.038843,-0.006137,0.041238,0.001116,0.000235,0.003692,0.030 065,0.028611,-0.005359,0.009741,-0.011298,-0.010597,0.013843,-0.009016,-0.012647,0.000507,-0.003645,-0.013381,-0.001747,-0.005317,0.003697,-0.005904,-0.007065
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501,0.103579,0.141159, 0.0445,-0.001615,0.045239,0.001673,-0.00423,0.007384,0.029451,0.026606,0.000812,0.0059 95,-0.008176,-0.007844,0.009908,-0.009679,-0.008996,-0.002027,-0.006285,5e-04,0.002246,0.003215,0.005423,-0.001566,0.000958
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506,0.113823,0.148267, 0.038089,0.001292,0.044931,0.002789,-0.001175,0.002769,0.02577,0.032438,-0.002436,0.007793,-0.016799,-0.017616,0.013029,-0.000928,0.001304,-0.003674,-0.003645,0.006003,0.000374,-0.000618,-0.005176,-0.000241,-0.002155



I compared 4 random samples of all Moroccan individual samples(one of each region/type) and distances are:


Distance to: Moroccan:MCA38
0.25000964 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.25625146 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.25904874 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.26048569 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.26603039 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.26815723 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.27320815 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.27461348 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.28394597 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew4683
0.04903805 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.05436348 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.05469087 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.05598860 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.06262758 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.06678920 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.10515866 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.10873877 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.11287387 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_North:MNA3
0.13945438 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.14308267 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.15008786 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.15068705 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.15328301 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.15584912 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.15934093 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.15984847 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.16971815 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

Distance to: Moroccan_South:MOU8
0.35965967 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.36589206 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.36938284 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.37061690 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.37382310 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.37551220 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.37644609 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.37713472 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.38601840 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

If you try all maybe you find one that is closer to castilla y León than to Sicily samples.


Moroccan:MCA14,-0.05122,0.128972,-0.024513,-0.086887,0.015387,-0.038208,-0.026321,0.004384,0.05604,0.02934,0.010068,-0.017534,0.031665,-0.010184,0.0095,-0.00305,-0.002086,-0.010642,-0.043994,0.007504,-0.007986,-0.033386,0.026375,-0.001446,0.000718
Moroccan:MCA16,-0.07057,0.133034,-0.015085,-0.07106,0.022466,-0.035419,-0.024676,0.010846,0.059925,0.019864,0.013316,-0.009292,0.026462,-0.003303,0.018729,-0.006232,-0.0103,-0.019763,-0.031047,0.000875,-0.006738,-0.023123,0.020829,-0.005543,0.005029
Moroccan:MCA19,-0.149108,0.119832,-0.001886,-0.056525,0.016003,-0.023427,-0.034547,0.011076,0.039678,0.030251,0.010555,-0.004346,0.02215,-0.015414,0.018051,-0.00769,-0.005215,-0.019003,-0.033813,0.011506,-0.014225,-0.020403,0.017501,0.001325,0.006227
Moroccan:MCA37,-0.05122,0.132019,-0.006411,-0.068153,0.021235,-0.039045,-0.031491,0.010384,0.059925,0.024237,0.009581,-0.007493,0.026462,-0.017065,0.013301,-0.006762,-0.017341,-0.021284,-0.040349,0.007629,-0.003119,-0.027822,0.012818,-0.007712,-0.000958
Moroccan:MCA38,-0.144555,0.13405,-0.015462,-0.061693,0.012618,-0.022032,-0.029141,0.012923,0.033133,0.019681,0.00406,-0.014237,0.026164,-0.007294,0.023208,-0.002784,-0.002608,-0.007728,-0.025517,0.014257,-0.004492,-0.027451,0.007025,0.002651,-0.002994
Moroccan:MCA39,-0.101303,0.132019,-0.015085,-0.06783,0.019388,-0.032072,-0.023736,0.00923,0.057267,0.024784,0.010068,-0.012439,0.033895,-0.01968,0.018322,0.000663,0.018515,-0.012796,-0.035195,0.011005,-0.002496,-0.031037,0.028347,0.002169,0.011376
Moroccan:MCA7,-0.07057,0.132019,-0.013199,-0.073644,0.028928,-0.036814,-0.021386,0.01223,0.062584,0.013668,0.008119,-0.007643,0.019921,-0.020231,0.013708,-0.007292,-0.008214,-0.018116,-0.038715,0.002626,-0.014724,-0.022876,0.017748,0.003012,0.015088
Moroccan:MCA8,-0.083091,0.126941,-0.009805,-0.076228,0.024312,-0.032351,-0.031491,0.010153,0.055221,0.028611,0.009256,-0.005695,0.030921,-0.016102,0.011401,-0.002254,0.000391,-0.020777,-0.039846,0.009379,-0.016596,-0.029924,0.022924,-0.003133,0.003712
Moroccan:MCA9,-0.046667,0.133034,-0.013953,-0.075905,0.029852,-0.037092,-0.027261,0.006692,0.074856,0.029158,0.010555,-0.002548,0.025272,-0.020919,0.020494,-0.020286,0.001956,-0.023184,-0.057318,0.020135,-0.018218,-0.049585,0.034633,-0.001446,0.015088
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Moroccan_Jew:MoroccanJew4789,0.072847,0.144205,-0.023759,-0.062339,0.014772,-0.01506,-0.00517,0.006231,0.01493,0.018953,0.006171,-0.003297,0.000892,-0.002615,0.006243,0.004641,0.002999,-0.005574,-0.009427,-0.002501,-0.001497,-0.006801,0.013188,-0.008314,0.000239
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Moroccan_North:MCH7,-0.035285,0.135065,0.007165,-0.069122,0.03139,-0.024263,-0.020446,0.009461,0.06872,0.030798,0.005684,-0.004046,0.022448,-0.024084,0.019544,-0.003315,-0.002738,-0.023437,-0.049902,0.002501,-0.021961,-0.037714,0.023417,-0.007953,0.023231
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Moroccan_North:MOJ8,-0.048944,0.137096,-0.024513,-0.078489,0.023389,-0.027052,-0.030786,0.004846,0.057676,0.029887,0.001949,-0.012589,0.025421,-0.013212,0.015744,-0.003447,0.002086,-0.010515,-0.035195,0.008129,-0.001248,-0.035859,0.015529,-0.008917,0.003233
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Moroccan_South:ERR18,-0.055773,0.14319,-0.006788,-0.066861,0.025543,-0.042112,-0.026321,0.010153,0.074447,0.033896,0.006658,-0.001798,0.018583,-0.014313,0.017644,-0.011005,-0.001695,-0.019383,-0.047388,0.011005,-0.011105,-0.039074,0.018857,-0.005061,0.011256
Moroccan_South:ERR20,-0.339193,0.097491,0.008297,-0.034238,0.011694,-0.015339,-0.031491,0.028153,0.02802,0.023144,0.009581,-0.001798,0.017393,-0.010459,0.022801,-0.016706,-0.00352,-0.014316,-0.021494,-0.004502,-0.014849,-0.021887,0.01972,0.008796,0.006586
Moroccan_South:MOU11,-0.185532,0.118817,0.006788,-0.053295,0.028313,-0.028168,-0.027966,0.017538,0.051745,0.035901,0.001299,-0.006294,0.014866,-0.018304,0.017236,-0.020286,-0.007693,-0.02065,-0.041857,0.002751,-0.017844,-0.034128,0.023787,-0.005904,0.002275
Moroccan_South:MOU12,-0.067156,0.14319,0.00264,-0.083011,0.033852,-0.037929,-0.029611,0.009,0.089172,0.02606,0.013316,-0.01169,0.016204,-0.02835,0.013708,-0.019491,-0.000652,-0.027111,-0.061089,0.016758,-0.022585,-0.058488,0.028224,-0.010122,0.008622
Moroccan_South:MOU15,-0.076261,0.128972,0.002263,-0.067184,0.028928,-0.027052,-0.032901,0.001846,0.07506,0.024784,0.011854,-0.014837,0.033449,-0.022708,0.015744,-0.01074,-0.001695,-0.01685,-0.038464,0.007754,-0.024332,-0.044886,0.029333,-0.004699,0.003353
Moroccan_South:MOU17,-0.267484,0.111708,0.009428,-0.046512,0.012618,-0.017849,-0.042067,0.032076,0.033951,0.030251,0.007795,0.004 046,0.03107,-0.015551,0.012758,-0.020551,0.006389,-0.020524,-0.039595,0.005378,-0.010482,-0.031037,0.015036,0.005663,-0.001557
Moroccan_South:MOU18,-0.07057,0.138112,-0.010559,-0.077197,0.033237,-0.031236,-0.031491,-0.000231,0.07506,0.027882,0.009581,-0.003147,0.023042,-0.019267,0.016151,-0.020286,-0.000391,-0.025211,-0.049148,0.012756,-0.026453,-0.053047,0.026498,-0.004097,0.008382
Moroccan_South:MOU19,-0.258378,0.105615,0.004903,-0.050065,0.021235,-0.024263,-0.029376,0.020999,0.036201,0.024966,-0.000325,0.002847,0.022894,-0.011423,0.017101,-0.022275,-0.014733,-0.020524,-0.024763,-0.005253,-0.018218,-0.037219,0.015406,-0.006868,0.006227
Moroccan_South:MOU20,-0.350575,0.094444,0.010182,-0.020672,0.026466,-0.011992,-0.032196,0.022614,0.010022,0.024237,0.015589,-0.004196,0.019177,-0.015001,0.008686,-0.012994,0.004433,-0.011275,-0.030293,0.017884,-0.009234,-0.021392,0.021445,-0.005904,0.008382
Moroccan_South:MOU4,-0.151385,0.127957,-0.000754,-0.062985,0.034468,-0.044344,-0.037367,0.008538,0.062789,0.027153,0.013316,-0.007643,0.032408,-0.023121,0.024565,-0.014452,0.004433,-0.022297,-0.052667,0.006753,-0.020963,-0.041671,0.037837,-0.000482,0.015088
Moroccan_South:MOU5,-0.071709,0.125926,-0.010182,-0.085918,0.025235,-0.033188,-0.033136,0.009692,0.084264,0.036812,0.002923,-0.018284,0.027502,-0.021469,0.018187,-0.009679,0.000522,-0.023311,-0.061466,0.006378,-0.018717,-0.05144,0.03303,-0.005904,-0.003113
Moroccan_South:MOU6,-0.080814,0.138112,-0.01697,-0.072998,0.02739,-0.036535,-0.028906,0.005307,0.066266,0.024784,0.005196,-0.010641,0.02661,-0.01968,0.022801,-0.007292,0.015255,-0.025084,-0.047137,0.022886,0.000624,-0.038332,0.030935,-0.011568,0.005029
Moroccan_South:MOU7,-0.367649,0.093429,0.007542,-0.031331,0.009848,-0.010319,-0.031021,0.025614,0.010226,0.02934,0.002598,-0.004496,0.019326,-0.003578,0.018865,-0.018563,-0.002477,-0.009882,-0.018478,0.007128,-0.006738,-0.023741,0.012078,0.000843,0.00491
Moroccan_South:MOU8,-0.254964,0.107646,0.00528,-0.047481,0.018465,-0.024821,-0.034077,0.023999,0.044791,0.029158,-0.001137,-0.017534,0.022002,-0.008257,0.015744,-0.013789,0.006389,-0.006334,-0.031047,0.01113,-0.008111,-0.023865,0.020829,0.002771,0.001796

I forgot one Mozabite random sample:


Distance to: Mozabite:HGDP01263
0.15825312 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.16312177 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.16896630 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.16977195 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.17361818 Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.17695173 Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.17999252 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.18057998 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.19036086 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506

[Nassbean]

I mean your distances between those are small, so your distances to extremadurans, portuguese or galicians are actually very similar.

Yes I'm aware of this but those differences can be explained by the NA admixture

[Nassbean]

I mean your distances between those are small, so your distances to extremadurans, portuguese or galicians are actually very similar.

btw if we focus on individuals some can be closer to me :


Distance to: Nassbean_scaled

0.15313268 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.15532188 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.15558734 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.15719956 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.15760748 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.15885121 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.15895921 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.15991856 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.16056242 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.16068126 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.16121550 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.16128490 Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
0.16132794 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.16177379 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.16195917 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
0.16215439 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.16221368 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.16222966 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.16279010 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.16316993 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.16377082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND14
0.16404745 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.16414085 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.16467281 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.16467566 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8

[mitalit]

With an old component calculator I think that we can see better what you mean, and yes, the spaniards we have more na than the Sicilians (it is the Rocinante s calculator).
Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 2.0496% / 0.02049608
51.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
12.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
6.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
Distance: 1.1471% / 0.01147095
56.8 Early_European_Farmer
25.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
7.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
4.6 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Africa_Mesolithic
0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

[gixajo]

as you can see it's not good mixing everything. You have to take the "purest" components...you can't use spanish components because they already have NA ancestry in them so the result doesn't show the exact % of NA.

Here for example so you understand me :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 1.8902% / 0.01890239
46.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
13.8 Moroccan_North
10.8 Spanish_Navarra
7.6 Spanish_Extremadura
6.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
6.0 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
4.8 Sardinian
3.0 Saudi
0.8 Gupta
0.4 Biaka
0.4 Papuan


with that logic I'm only 0.4% SSA... which is of course false.


and that's the castilla y leon sample I used : Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,0.1077523,0.1438667,0.0404 773,-0.0021533,0.0438027,0.0018593,-0.0017233,0.004615,0.0284287,0.0292183,-0.0023277,0.007843,-0.012091,-0.012019,0.01226,-0.006541,-0.0067797,-0.0017313,-0.004525,-0.0022927,0.000291,-0.0009067,0.0013147,-0.0025703,-0.002754

This is the result in Modern Averages scaled of that sample:

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 0.0362% / 0.00036164
95.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.8 Basque_French
0.8 Spanish_Aragon
0.8 Spanish_Menorca
0.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.6 French_Seine-Maritime
0.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.2 Shetlandic
0.2 Swiss_German

And my result in the same model:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3675% / 0.01367458
43.6 Spanish_Aragon
21.0 Basque_Spanish
10.0 French_Seine-Maritime
6.4 Sardinian
4.8 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
4.2 Lithuanian_PZ
3.4 Spanish_Soria
3.2 Portuguese
2.2 Yemenite_Mahra
0.6 Spanish_Extremadura
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Papuan

So the "problem" is in the model you used. Which was it? I want to run my coordinates there too.

[Nassbean]

With an old component calculator I think that we can see better what you mean, and yes, the spaniards we have more na than the Sicilians (it is the Rocinante s calculator).
Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 2.0496% / 0.02049608
51.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
12.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
6.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
Distance: 1.1471% / 0.01147095
56.8 Early_European_Farmer
25.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
7.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
4.6 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Africa_Mesolithic
0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

I already told Rocinante that this test isn't enough to show NA admixture because north africans are not 100% iberomaurusian but only 30% (in some cases even lower)

[Nassbean]

This is the result in Modern Averages scaled of that sample:

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 0.0362% / 0.00036164
95.4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.8 Basque_French
0.8 Spanish_Aragon
0.8 Spanish_Menorca
0.6 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.6 French_Seine-Maritime
0.6 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.2 Shetlandic
0.2 Swiss_German

And my result in the same model:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.3675% / 0.01367458
43.6 Spanish_Aragon
21.0 Basque_Spanish
10.0 French_Seine-Maritime
6.4 Sardinian
4.8 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
4.2 Lithuanian_PZ
3.4 Spanish_Soria
3.2 Portuguese
2.2 Yemenite_Mahra
0.6 Spanish_Extremadura
0.4 Ju_hoan_North
0.2 Papuan

So the "problem" is in the model you used. Which was it? I want to run my coordinates there too.

gixajo do you have problem understanding english ?? You just compared a castilla y leon sample to another castilla y leon sample :picard1:

Pls reread and understand what I wrote in my previous message.

And here my model if you want to try :


Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Berber,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Italian,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Yemenite_Ma'rib,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Samaritan,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462

[mitalit]

I already told Rocinante that this test isn't enough to show NA admixture because north africans are not 100% iberomaurusian but only 30% (in some cases even lower)

And the iberomasurian it is also an ethnic component of Spain although the Basques dont have it.
It may not be the best, but imo it is better than using modern Basques as a reference for Spain.

[Nassbean]

And the iberomasurian it is also an ethnic component of Spain although the Basques dont have it.
It may not be the best, but imo it is better than using modern Basques as a reference for Spain.

what do you mean by "ethnic component of spain" ? I hope you do not believe that it's indigenous. Don't be confused by the name iberomaurusians were not indigenous to spain nor did we find any iberomaurusian remain in iberia. If iberians have it it's because of your NA ancestors.

And basques are the best reference for Spain trust me go to anthrogenica and ask them you'll see

[Damião de Góis]

btw if we focus on individuals some can be closer to me :


Distance to: Nassbean_scaled

0.15313268 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.15532188 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.15558734 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.15719956 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.15760748 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.15885121 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.15895921 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.15991856 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.16056242 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.16068126 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.16121550 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.16128490 Spanish_Andalucia:AND2
0.16132794 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.16177379 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.16195917 Spanish_Andalucia:AND75
0.16215439 Portuguese:Portugal13
0.16221368 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.16222966 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.16279010 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.16316993 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.16377082 Spanish_Andalucia:AND14
0.16404745 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.16414085 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.16467281 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.16467566 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8



Portuguese sample includes islanders who might have different results from mainlanders. Me and the portuguese members have discussed why are were not particularly close to the average and by looking at this PCA we can see the samples are very diverse:

https://i.imgur.com/2BYWYnu.png

[mitalit]

what do you mean by "ethnic component of spain" ? I hope you do not believe that it's indigenous. Don't be confused by the name iberomaurusians were not indigenous to spain nor did we find any iberomaurusian remain in iberia. If iberians have it it's because of your NA ancestors.

And basques are the best reference for Spain trust me go to anthrogenica and ask them you'll see

No i dont mean that, na also has a small ethnich steppe component.
Modern basques are not a reference for spain since spaniards have more steppe (like me) and even france have more na than the basque country

[gixajo]

gixajo do you have problem understanding english ?? You just compared a castilla y leon sample to another castilla y leon sample :picard1:

Pls reread and understand what I wrote in my previous message.

And here my model if you want to try :


Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619
Berber,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Italian,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Yemenite_Ma'rib,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Samaritan,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462


I tried the sample you gave me in a model with all their sources, because I am using one model always to see differences.

The only problem is if your sample was the reference of Castilla y León, but is not the case, because the distances would be 0%.

Could anyway, have been used as one of the samples used to do average sample.

[Nassbean]

Portuguese sample includes islanders who might have different results from mainlanders. Me and the portuguese members have discussed why are were not particularly close to the average and by looking at this PCA we can see the samples are very diverse:

https://i.imgur.com/2BYWYnu.png

yes but I really doubt there are big differences with islanders when it comes to NA admixture

[Nassbean]

No i dont mean that, na also has a small ethnich steppe component.
Modern basques are not a reference for spain since spaniards have more steppe (like me) and even france have more na than the basque country

yes because basques are the purest iberians that's why we should take them as a reference. That's why in my model I didn't use north moroccans because they already have an iberian component they are not enough pure

[Nassbean]

I tried the sample you gave me in a model with all their sources, because I am using one model always to see differences.

The only problem is if your sample was the reference of Castilla y León, but is not the case, because the distances would be 0%.

Could anyway, have been used as one of the samples used to do average sample.

yes it's an average sample

you can find it here : https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

[mitalit]

yes because basques are the purest iberians that's why we should take them as a reference

Maybe the ancient basques like a reference for the ancient spaniards, but no the modern basques like a reference for modern spaniards.

[Nassbean]

Maybe the ancient basques like a reference for the ancient spaniards, but no the modern basques like a reference for modern spaniards.

then how do you want us to know the % of NA ancestry among iberians ? We can't use any spanish or portuguese references because they all already have NA admixture. I don't want to offense you bro but I don't think you understand my point

[mitalit]

then how do you want us to know the % of NA ancestry among iberians ? We can't use any spanish or portuguese references because they all already have NA admixture. I don't want to offense you bro but I don't think you understand my point

Using the ancient sources (in the link you send me they are modern and ancient:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

[Damião de Góis]

yes but I really doubt there are big differences with islanders when it comes to NA admixture

Your top match (sample4), who is a bit of an outlier according to the PCA, might be a southern shifted islander due to higher SSA, and probably has the same NA as everyone else. So it probably doesn't even have to do with NA.

[gixajo]

yes it's an average sample

you can find it here : https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

Sorry nass, i lost connection, i suspect that neighbours that came from capital city are stealing my wifi...:picard1:

Yes, I thought distance was 0.3%, and it´s practically 0%, is one of the individual samples.

Cannot have said before?:D

I would have used another different calculator.

[Synapsid]

The Gibraltar strait in one of the greatest racial barrier ever.

Its the biggest cultural barrier but not racial. Both NW Africans and Iberian are pred. West Eurasians, and share the same farmer related ancestry (Anatolian Neolithic). The biggest racial barrier is the Himalayas IMO, separating pure East Asians from South Asian and West Asian populations. The Average Tibetan is genetically closer to an Native American thousands miles away and an entire ocean removed, than to an Indian few kilometres to the south

[gixajo]

Your top match (sample4), who is a bit of an outlier according to the PCA, might be a southern shifted islander due to higher SSA, and probably has the same NA as everyone else. So it probably doesn't even have to do with NA.

Azores Islanders or Madeira ones, are not closer genetically to Canary Islands islanders genetically?

Have there been no population movements between Spanish and Portuguese islands in the Atlantic?

[Nassbean]

Using the ancient sources (in the link you send me they are modern and ancient:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/07/getting-most-out-of-global25_12.html

hahah bro even ancient iberians had it xD

[gixajo]

Nope, they are not stealing my wifi signal, WNW says me that none is doing that...:eek:

[Damião de Góis]

Azores Islanders or Madeira ones, are not closer genetically to Canary Islands islanders genetically?

Have there been no population movements between Spanish and Portuguese islands in the Atlantic?

I'm not sure. I know some have diferent results, others have the same results. Some azoreans might even be more northern shifted. I think there might have been between Canaries and Madeira.
Like i said before, it would be nice if we had regional samples instead of everyone in one sample.

[mitalit]

hahah bro even ancient iberians had it xD

Because it is an ethnic comp haha

[Nassbean]

I'm not sure. I know some have diferent results, others have the same results. Some azoreans might even be more northern shifted. I think there might have been between Canaries and Madeira.
Like i said before, it would be nice if we had regional samples instead of everyone in one sample.

some guanche slaves were sent to madeira that's all I know

[gixajo]

Anyway, usually Moroccans are closer to Sicilians and South Italians than Castillians, excepting exceptional cases.

And in both cases, distances are quite great.

But it´s clear that Iberian component in NA and NA component in Iberia, in different % are shared in both coasts of the Gibraltar straight.Aproximatelly the Iberian average in NA is double than NA average in Iberians.

Are we agree?

Another discussion in which we don´t agree all of us is if this NA in Iberians is a modern or an ancient input. And I don´t care much about when came it sincerelly.

No sé porque andamos siempre dándole vueltas una y otra vez a lo mismo.

[Axios]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d64051a3668dffba77c3df1acdb68aa3/tenor.gif?itemid=5105485

At this point, we're basically cousins, rofl.

Glad to see you've changed man

[Axios]

Anyway, usually Moroccans are closer to Sicilians and South Italians than Castillians, excepting exceptional cases.

And in both cases, distances are quite great.

But it´s clear that Iberian component in NA and NA component in Iberia, in different % are shared in both coasts of the Gibraltar straight.Aproximatelly the Iberian average in NA is double than NA average in Iberians.

Are we agree?

Another discussion in which we don´t agree all of us is if this NA in Iberians is a modern or an ancient input. And I don´t care much about when came it sincerelly.

No sé porque andamos siempre dándole vueltas una y otra vez a lo mismo.

Estoy mirando el Gedmatch ahora para sacar mis resultados, ¿sabes que calculadora es? (como la captura esta)

[Nassbean]

Anyway, usually Moroccans are closer to Sicilians and South Italians than Castillians, excepting exceptional cases.

And in both cases, distances are quite great.

But it´s clear that Iberian component in NA and NA component in Iberia, in different % are shared in both coasts of the Gibraltar straight.Aproximatelly the Iberian average in NA is double than NA average in Iberians.

Are we agree?

Another discussion in which we don´t agree all of us is if this NA in Iberians is a modern or an ancient input. And I don´t care much about when came it sincerelly.

No sé porque andamos siempre dándole vueltas una y otra vez a lo mismo.

I really think you have a problem with me. I never implied that moroccans like me are close to iberians how many times should I repeat it ? You always talk to me as if I was trying to associate our people :picard1:


and to answer your question the NA admixture among iberians is both ancient and medieval and is the result of multiple waves of migrations.

I've posted enough data for ancient times so we'll focus on the medieval era :


In the Iberian Peninsula, the North African component probably reflects the impact of the Arab expansion since the seventh century and the subsequent expansion of the Christian Kingdoms.


Both the dates and the origin of the gene-flow from the North African Mediterranean coast suggest a genetic impact of the Arab expansion in the Iberian Peninsula. The northwest of the Iberian Peninsula shows our oldest estimated date of North African admixture and is consistent with a single pulse of admixture around the time of the early arrival and conquest of Iberia by the Arabs. By contrast, our results suggest that the south of the Iberian Peninsula experienced more recent admixture and perhaps continuous gene-flow. In this case, the admixture is dated to the last periods of the Arab rule in the Peninsula in the second half of the fourteenth century



Collectively, we can identify at least two different gene-flow events in the Iberian Peninsula for which the inferred dates correlate with Arab rule in the territory: an early concentrated event in the northwest of the Peninsula, and a continuous and more recent event in the south. Moreover, the North African populations that settled in the Peninsula during the Arab conquest may have had different origins (both in time and in geography), which could be indicative of different migration waves (electronic supplementary material, table S3).

source : https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2019.0471?fbclid=IwAR2XLvnzJL8twaxBVKNMun3uF4 H-eHRKXJbPhQni7IKJFWHKDl2oRhM1E28&

[gixajo]

Estoy mirando el Gedmatch ahora para sacar mis resultados, ¿sabes que calculadora es? (como la captura esta)

No son resultados de Gedmacht los que estamos usando, son resultados de coordenadas G25 en Vahaduo.

Pero en vahaduo también hay bastantes modelos que funcionan con coordenadas de Gedmatch, aunque algunas distancias son raras, y algunos resultados son raros, otros están bastante bien.

[Daos777]

hahah yes but the average maghrebi is probably even closer than me because I'm less ME shifted than the average

Which North African groups are the least ME shifted(besides nibbas)?


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[Axios]

No son resultados de Gedmacht los que estamos usando, son resultados de coordenadas G25 en Vahaduo.

Pero en vahaduo también hay bastantes modelos que funcionan con coordenadas de Gedmatch, aunque algunas distancias son raras, y algunos resultados son raros, otros están bastante bien.

¿Como se usa? he entrado a http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm pero estoy bastante perdido.

[Adamm]

Which North African groups are the least ME shifted(besides nibbas)?


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I would say Souss Berbers and some other Berbers groups who were isolated (mozabites also i think), they have 0 Levant.

[Nassbean]

Which North African groups are the least ME shifted(besides nibbas)?


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Based on what I saw I'd say soussis/chleuh (from Morocco)

[gixajo]

I really think you have a problem with me. I never implied that moroccans like me are close to iberians how many times should I repeat it ? You always talk to me as if I was trying to associate our people :picard1:


And to answer your question the NA admixture among iberians is both ancient and medieval and is the result of multiple waves of migrations.

I've posted enough data for ancient times so we'll focus on the medieval era :







source : https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2019.0471?fbclid=IwAR2XLvnzJL8twaxBVKNMun3uF4 H-eHRKXJbPhQni7IKJFWHKDl2oRhM1E28&


The thread was heading towards the same issue as always, so I did that post to summarize, not you(I mean you don´t head the thread towards it).:)

And yes, I always have said the same you have said, inputs are moderns and ancients, and doesnt matter where they come, is the same component.

I maintain something as obvious as that part of that NA component of the Iberians comes from the Muslim domination of part of the peninsula. Something that many Spaniards and Portuguese here do not share.

Everyone has their opinion and there is no way to separate which part is modern and which part is old in an indisputable way.

[gixajo]

¿Como se usa? he entrado a http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm pero estoy bastante perdido.

Necesitas tener las coordenadas G25 para usar los del G25, tienes que mandar a un tipo tu raw data y el te las da a cambio de 12 dolares.

Los de gedmatch puedes hacerlo poniendo las coordenadas de cada calculador en target, y luego vas a "single" y le das al último botón de abajo a la derecha, que debería tener tu nombre, lo mismo si vas a "distances" te saldría la lista de distancias con las poblaciones de las sources.

las coordenadas de cada gedmacht se harían así:

Si este es el cuadro de gedmatch eurogenes k13:

North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct
Baltic 11.68 Pct
West_Med 30.06 Pct
West_Asian 2.10 Pct
East_Med 7.08 Pct
Red_Sea 5.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.90 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.76 Pct
Northeast_African 1.24 Pct
Sub-Saharan

Mis coordenadas con nombre serían así, para todos los calculadores k13:

gixajo,41.06,11.68,30.06,2.10,7.08,5.14,0.90,0,0,0 ,0.76,1.24,0

osea, el nombre que quieras una coma, y luego los % con los decimales separados por un punto, y separado cada porcentaje con una coma entre sí. Importante , guardar el mismo orden que en ese cuadro.

para cada calculador necesitarás hacer unas coordenadas nuevas con cada resultado.k15, dodecad, etc...

Estan aquí todos:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

[Nassbean]

The thread was heading towards the same issue as always, so I did that post to summarize, not you(I mean you don´t head the thread towards it).:)

And yes, I always have said the same you have said, inputs are moderns and ancients, and doesnt matter where they come, is the same component.

I maintain something as obvious as that part of that NA component of the Iberians comes from the Muslim domination of part of the peninsula. Something that many Spaniards and Portuguese here do not share.

Everyone has their opinion and there is no way to separate which part is modern and which part is old in an indisputable way.

you disagree with them because you're one of the only objective iberian member here ...they are simply racist and want the NA admixture to be as old and distant as possible. But if they disagree I can post tons of studies who disagree with them the moorish conquest clearly affected Iberia genetically there is no doubt about it.

[gixajo]

you disagree with them because you're one of the only objective iberian member here ...they are simply racist and want the NA admixture to be as old and distant as possible. But if they disagree I can post tons of studies who disagree with them the moorish conquest clearly affected Iberia genetically there is no doubt about it.

I don´t think is exactly racism, is more "religionism", as you can see, they only reject the NA when it could be from muslims, but they have not any problem if it comes from times before you were muslims.

If you at present were christians, they would assume both the ancient and the modern contribution equally.

And if when Iberian peninsula was invaded you would have been christians, that NA would hurt, but I think less.

What is the problem with Balkan and some center European countries with West Asian component and Ottomans? The same...

Yes,many Europeans see Islam as an enemy, I don't discover anything to you.

Although you are from Africa share something with Africans can also bother, but I think it’s secondary.Maybe I am wrong.

[Nassbean]

I don´t think is exactly racism, is more "religionism", as you can see, they only reject the NA when it could be from muslims, but they have not any problem if it comes from times before you were muslims.

If you at present were christians, they would assume both the ancient and the modern contribution equally.

And if when Iberian peninsula was invaded you would have been christians, that NA would hurt, but I think less.

What is the problem with Balkan and some center European countries with West Asian component and Ottomans? The same...

Yes,many Europeans see Islam as an enemy, I don't discover anything to you.

Although you are from Africa share something with Africans can also bother, but I think it’s secondary.Maybe I am wrong.

I agree with this and having some SSA doesn't bother me

[Axios]

Necesitas tener las coordenadas G25 para usar los del G25, tienes que mandar a un tipo tu raw data y el te las da a cambio de 12 dolares.

Los de gedmatch puedes hacerlo poniendo las coordenadas de cada calculador en target, y luego vas a "single" y le das al último botón de abajo a la derecha, que debería tener tu nombre, lo mismo si vas a "distances" te saldría la lista de distancias con las poblaciones de las sources.

las coordenadas de cada gedmacht se harían así:

Si este es el cuadro de gedmatch eurogenes k13:

North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct
Baltic 11.68 Pct
West_Med 30.06 Pct
West_Asian 2.10 Pct
East_Med 7.08 Pct
Red_Sea 5.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.90 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.76 Pct
Northeast_African 1.24 Pct
Sub-Saharan

Mis coordenadas con nombre serían así, para todos los calculadores k13:

gixajo,41.06,11.68,30.06,2.10,7.08,5.14,0.90,0,0,0 ,0.76,1.24,0

osea, el nombre que quieras una coma, y luego los % con los decimales separados por un punto, y separado cada porcentaje con una coma entre sí. Importante , guardar el mismo orden que en ese cuadro.

para cada calculador necesitarás hacer unas coordenadas nuevas con cada resultado.k15, dodecad, etc...

Estan aquí todos:

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

Muchas gracias, Nassbean me dijo que hasta el 1 de julio no se pueden procesar más pedidos para obtener mis coordenadas.

[gixajo]

Although it will be like everything .a mixture, distrust with a historical enemy, for the racial difference , cultural distance, for being non-European and for the religion.

[gixajo]

Muchas gracias, Nassbean me dijo que hasta el 1 de julio no se pueden procesar más pedidos para obtener mis coordenadas.

Aunque no tengas los g25 puedes hacerte tu mismo las coordenadas de gedmatch y usarlas en los calculadores para gedmact de vahaduo para entretenerte.

[Nassbean]

Although it will be like everything .a mixture, distrust with a historical enemy, for the racial difference , cultural distance, for being non-European and for the religion.

I don't understand what do you mean here ?

[gixajo]

I don't understand what do you mean here ?

That mistrust or rejection does not have only one origin or cause, it is a mixture of several things.

Edit: Even the fear that those you consider as "yours" do not consider you at all like them.

[Nassbean]

That mistrust or rejection does not have only one origin or cause, it is a mixture of several things.

Indeed that's why it's hard for them to stay objective they can't control their disgusts for us but what is even more pathetic is that they legit have north african ancestors and they still spit on their own ancestors meanwhile they are really proud of their germanic admixture

[Damião de Góis]

Indeed that's why it's hard for them to stay objective they can't control their disgusts for us but what is even more pathetic is that they legit have north african ancestors and they still spit on their own ancestors meanwhile they are really proud of their germanic admixture

I already said you need to remember historical context. For example, you should see some of our city banners:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/STC1.png


Spain and Portugal exist because of reconquest. To dislike muslims and not wanting to be associated with "moors" is a part of History.

[Nassbean]

I already said you need to remember historical context. For example, you should see some of our city banners:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/STC1.png


Spain and Portugal exist because of reconquest. To dislike muslims and not wanting to be associated with "moors" is a part of History.

yes I have no problem accepting this but this shouldn't be projected on science. We're strictly talking about genetics and facts. That some of you despise moors because of historical reasons shouldn't justify genetic datas to be distorded.

Also it's ridiculous to hate modern moors for things that happened centuries ago ...but ok.

[Cristiano viejo]

Its the biggest cultural barrier but not racial. Both NW Africans and Iberian are pred. West Eurasians, and share the same farmer related ancestry (Anatolian Neolithic). The biggest racial barrier is the Himalayas IMO, separating pure East Asians from South Asian and West Asian populations. The Average Tibetan is genetically closer to an Native American thousands miles away and an entire ocean removed, than to an Indian few kilometres to the south
I said one of the greatest. And indeed it is. Spanish and Portuguese are absoluuuuuutely different racially than Moroccans.

Iberians west Eurasians, lol.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes other components can influence our distances to a certain populations ...but why do you pretend you understand genetics ? Since when are you into these debates ?


No need to talk I will show you that your people have more NA than "spaguetis" :

https://i.imgur.com/GGK3vz4.png


as you can see sicilians don't have as much northern components as spaniards and they have a levantine component. But spaniards still have way more berber than sicilians.
That are only distances, not genetic results itself. Perhaps you think we are 11% Scottish, lolol. Sicilians as closer to you than us are. The fact that North Africans have near of 5x times of Iberian ancestry than Spanish and Portuguese have of North African ancestry should be a fuckin sign for you that of course it is your Iberian ancestry what makes you be something "close" to Iberians, even being in the antipodes!



as far as I know I don't have a west european haplogroup :rolleyes: meanwhile at least two spanish members here have berber haplogroups ...

also franco looked moroccan af ask any maghrebi here and you'll see

]comfirmed then. Franco is your dad :)


With an old component calculator I think that we can see better what you mean, and yes, the spaniards we have more na than the Sicilians (it is the Rocinante s calculator).
Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
Distance: 2.0496% / 0.02049608
51.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
12.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
6.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
Distance: 1.1471% / 0.01147095
56.8 Early_European_Farmer
25.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
7.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.4 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer
4.6 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Africa_Mesolithic
0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
0.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
Iberomaurisian does not mean North African at all. Less still modern North African.


you disagree with them because you're one of the only objective iberian member here ...they are simply racist and want the NA admixture to be as old and distant as possible. But if they disagree I can post tons of studies who disagree with them the moorish conquest clearly affected Iberia genetically there is no doubt about it.
Haha, yeah, gixajo is the only objective Iberian member... because he does not call you brown to your face, even if he thinks it, and because does not deny your crazy theories :rolleyes: please...

Lol at your tons of studies where you try to pass as our ancestors to people living in the peninsula with th haplogroup j or e.

Not even your loved scientifics can answer why north spaniards score more NA (whatever means) than the rest of the spaniards... But you again and again with your ocurrences about al andalus...

[mitalit]

That are only distances, not genetic results itself. Perhaps you think we are 11% Scottish, lolol. Sicilians as closer to you than us are. The fact that North Africans have near of 5x times of Iberian ancestry than Spanish and Portuguese have of North African ancestry should be a fuckin sign for you that of course it is your Iberian ancestry what makes you be something "close" to Iberians, even being in the antipodes!


comfirmed then. Franco is your dad :)


Iberomaurisian does not mean North African at all. Less still modern North African.


Haha, yeah, gixajo is the only objective Iberian member... because he does not call you brown to your face, even if he thinks it, and because does not deny your crazy theories :rolleyes: please...

Lol at your tons of studies where you try to pass as our ancestors to people living in the peninsula with th haplogroup j or e.

Not even your loved scientifics can answer why north spaniards score more NA (whatever means) than the rest of the spaniards... But you again and again with your ocurrences about al andalus...

most yes

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes other components can influence our distances to a certain populations ...but why do you pretend you understand genetics ? Since when are you into these debates ?


No need to talk I will show you that your people have more NA than "spaguetis" :

https://i.imgur.com/GGK3vz4.png


as you can see sicilians don't have as much northern components as spaniards and they have a levantine component. But spaniards still have way more berber than sicilians.

That model seems a bit iffy to me. I don't think those populations are the best proxy. IDK what other's think? I'll read the rest of the thread as there are many more posts.

[Nassbean]

That model seems a bit iffy to me. I don't think those populations are the best proxy. IDK what other's think? I'll read the rest of the thread as there are many more posts.

why not ? look at the small distances I only try to choose the "purest" components so that the NA admixture doesn't get absorbed by other components

[Nassbean]

Haha, yeah, gixajo is the only objective Iberian member... because he does not call you brown to your face, even if he thinks it, and because does not deny your crazy theories :rolleyes: please...

Lol at your tons of studies where you try to pass as our ancestors to people living in the peninsula with th haplogroup j or e.

Not even your loved scientifics can answer why north spaniards score more NA (whatever means) than the rest of the spaniards... But you again and again with your ocurrences about al andalus...

Lol you don't even read studies about your own people.

It's not my opinions just read this :


Both the dates and the origin of the gene-flow from the North African Mediterranean coast suggest a genetic impact of the Arab expansion in the Iberian Peninsula. The northwest of the Iberian Peninsula shows our oldest estimated date of North African admixture and is consistent with a single pulse of admixture around the time of the early arrival and conquest of Iberia by the Arabs. By contrast, our results suggest that the south of the Iberian Peninsula experienced more recent admixture and perhaps continuous gene-flow. In this case, the admixture is dated to the last periods of the Arab rule in the Peninsula in the second half of the fourteenth century. In 1212, the Christian Kingdoms became allies in the Battle of Navas de Tolosa and conquered all southern territories except the Nasrid Kingdom of Granada, which was conquered at the end of the fifteenth century. The inferred continuous gene-flow suggests that contact between the Arab and southern Iberian populations was not limited to that time period, and the estimated dates represent an upper bound on centuries of admixture (figure 4; electronic supplementary material, figures S5 and S6). Collectively, we can identify at least two different gene-flow events in the Iberian Peninsula for which the inferred dates correlate with Arab rule in the territory: an early concentrated event in the northwest of the Peninsula, and a continuous and more recent event in the south. Moreover, the North African populations that settled in the Peninsula during the Arab conquest may have had different origins (both in time and in geography), which could be indicative of different migration waves (electronic supplementary material, table S3).


https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2019.0471?fbclid=IwAR2XLvnzJL8twaxBVKNMun3uF4 H-eHRKXJbPhQni7IKJFWHKDl2oRhM1E28&#d3e750


Yes sicilians are closer to us (for different reasons) but iberians still have the highest amount of NA admixture in all Europe :


We have shown that recent North African ancestry is highest in southwestern Europe and decreases in northern latitudes, with a sharp difference between the Iberian Peninsula and France, where Basques are less influenced by North Africa (as suggested in ref. 48). Our estimates of shared ancestry are much higher than previously reported (up to 20% of the European individuals’ genomes). This increase in inferred African ancestry in Europe is due to our inclusion of seven North African, rather than Sub-Saharan African populations. Specifically, elevated shared African ancestry in Iberia and the Canary Islands can be traced to populations in the North African Maghreb such as Moroccans, Western Saharans, and the Tunisian Berbers. Our results, based on both allele frequencies and long shared haplotypes, support the hypothesis that recent migrations from North Africa contributed substantially to the higher genetic diversity in southwestern Europe. Previous Y chromosome data have highlighted examples of male-biased gene flow from Africa to Europe, such as the eastern African slave ancestry in Yorkshire, England (49) and the legacy of Moors in Iberia (26). Here we show that gene flow from Africa to Europe is not merely reflected on the Y chromosome but corresponds to a much broader effect.


Southern European populations have a high proportion (5–35%) of joint Near Eastern | North African ancestry assigned at k = 4. However, identification of distinct Near Eastern and North African ancestries in k ≥ 5 differentiates southeastern from southwestern Europe. Southwestern European populations average between 4% and 20% of their genomes assigned to a North African ancestral cluster (SI Appendix, Fig. S3), whereas this value does not exceed 2% in southeastern European populations.


A gradient of shared IBD segments is observed from southern to northern Europe (based on WEA; Fig. 2 and SI Appendix, Table S3). This sharing is highest in the Iberian Peninsula for both North Africa and Sub-Saharan African IBD segments. Interestingly, the Basques are an exception to this pattern because they show similar levels of sharing to other European populations, but inhabit the Iberian Peninsula. Additionally, IBD sharing between North Africa and Europe is nearly an order of magnitude higher than that between Sub-Saharan Africa and Europe, of which a total of 30% of its IBD segments are also shared between North Africa and Europe. Interestingly, these segments represent only 2% of the bulk of IBD segments shared between North Africa and Europe, a proportion similar to that




"we are closed because of shared ancestry filthy brown moro" ...reality is different :


An alternative model is that the patterns of allele sharing among North Africans and Europeans are actually due to shared ancestry among Southern Europeans and the Near East. Whereas migration(s) from the Near East have likely had an effect on genetic diversity between southern and northern Europe, they do not appear to explain the gradients of African ancestry in Europe. We detect low levels of IBD and allele sharing between the Near East and the majority of the European continent. Both IBD and allele sharing with the Near East appear elevated in southeastern Europe (e.g., Italy, Yugoslavia, and Cyprus). It is possible that these patterns reflect more ancient migrations, perhaps dating back to the Neolithic, which resulted in a low level of short Near Eastern haplotypes across much of Europe. A model of gene flow from the Near East into both Europe and North Africa, such as a strong demic wave during the Neolithic, could result in shared haplotypes between Europe and North Africa. However, the haplotype sharing we observe between Europe and the Near East follows a southeast to southwest gradient, whereas sharing between Europe and the Maghreb follows the opposite pattern (Fig. 2); this suggests that gene flow from the Near East cannot account for the sharing with North Africa.


Whereas inferred IBD sharing does not indicate directionality, the North African samples that have highest IBD sharing with Iberian populations also tend to have the lowest proportion of the European cluster in ADMIXTURE (Fig. 1), e.g., Saharawi, Tunisian Berbers, and South Moroccans. For example, the Andalucians share many IBD segments with the Tunisians (Fig. 3), who present extremely minimal levels of European ancestry. This suggests that gene flow occurred from Africa to Europe rather than the other way around.

so it's a direct contribution from the maghreb :thumb001:


https://i.imgur.com/jBOwxuF.png
https://i.imgur.com/lTlwHWr.png


Let's applaud !

https://i.imgur.com/EczuSzf.jpg

[Mingle]

Why'd you exclude Northwest African populations from your closest populations list?

[Grace O'Malley]

why not ? look at the small distances I only try to choose the "purest" components so that the NA admixture doesn't get absorbed by other components

They just aren't accurate for those populations. Models can give false readings. It is most likely better to use ancient components. Also if you use samples that are too northern for some populations it will compensate by giving them a higher component of something else to compensate. I think that is what has happened with your model IMO. I mean for Spanish for example a French population would be better than German and Scottish for example.

[Nassbean]

They just aren't accurate for those populations. Models can give false readings. It is most likely better to use ancient components. Also if you use samples that are too northern for some populations it will compensate by giving them a higher component of something else to compensate. I think that is what has happened with your model IMO. I mean for Spanish for example a French population would be better than German and Scottish for example.

That's true but french people tend to have many shared components with iberians and it's well known that iberians for example have germanic/celtic admixture so that's why I put german and scottish but feel free to elaborate something more accurate if you want

[Nassbean]

Why'd you exclude Northwest African populations from your closest populations list?

because we already know they are the closest to me. I'm interested to see which populations is closer to berbers like me

[Grace O'Malley]

That's true but french people tend to have many shared components with iberians and it's well known that iberians for example have germanic/celtic admixture so that's why I put german and scottish but feel free to elaborate something more accurate if you want

Yes but their Celtic mixture is more something like Hallstatt or something similar. Scots aren't a good proxy for that. Anyway I just wanted to point out the pitfalls.