Tuscans have north african admixture

[Nassbean]

https://i.imgur.com/cNGDQJl.jpg

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2019.0471?fbclid=IwAR2XLvnzJL8twaxBVKNMun3uF4 H-eHRKXJbPhQni7IKJFWHKDl2oRhM1E28&


We built a dataset of more than 1200 samples that includes European and sub-Saharan African samples from the 1000 genomes project [31]; Iberian, Basque and Canary Islands populations from Botigué et al. [3]; and a large and diverse dataset of North African populations (which includes both Arab and Berbers and covers a wide geographical extension) from Henn et al. [1] and Arauna et al. [2] (see the electronic supplementary material, table S1 and figure S1). [...] The results suggest that the gene-flow from North Africa into the European Mediterranean coast (Tuscany and the Iberian Peninsula) arrived mainly from the Mediterranean coast of North Africa. In Tuscany, this North African admixture date estimate suggests the movement of peoples during the fall of the Roman Empire around the fourth century. In the Iberian Peninsula, the North African component probably reflects the impact of the Arab expansion since the seventh century and the subsequent expansion of the Christian Kingdoms [...] However, while the data strongly supports a single event of North African admixture in Tuscany; in the Canary Islands and the Iberian Peninsula a history of multiple episodes of gene-flow cannot be ruled out, according to the goodness-of-fit test for two admixture events

[Konstantinos]

https://i.imgur.com/cNGDQJl.jpg

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2019.0471?fbclid=IwAR2XLvnzJL8twaxBVKNMun3uF4 H-eHRKXJbPhQni7IKJFWHKDl2oRhM1E28&

Highly doubt it.

[Avgvstvs]

First the Iberians, now Tuscans....what's your issue Nassbean?


And no,Tuscans don't have any North African whatsoever....they have West Asian dna due to Neolithic admixture...but north african is even silly to think

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[Nassbean]

Highly doubt it.

It's a very recent study I don't see why it should be unreliable. Whatever send them an email to say that you highly doubt it

[Nassbean]

First the Iberians, now Tuscans....what's your issue Nassbean?


And no,Tuscans don't have any North African whatsoever....they have West Asian dna due to Neolithic admixture...but north african is even silly to think

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are you racist ? Or do you have any kind of problem with north africans ? People often post genetic studies here why can't I do the same ? I'm north african so of course I will post study related to my people and your opinion has no scientific value unlike this study

[Dorian]

Nigga you have issues..

[Nassbean]

Nigga you have issues..

posting genetic study about France --> ok

about levant --> ok

about ancient celts of la tène culture --> ok

about north african admixture among iberians and tuscans --> nigga you have issues ...smh :picard2:

[Konstantinos]

It's a very recent study I don't see why it should be unreliable. Whatever send them an email to say that you highly doubt it

I don't need to send any mail, if it gets replicated by other studies I'll believe it. I can show you a study where Sardinians are part-Egyptian but they aren't are they?

Interesting that you're a Moroccan.

[Nassbean]

I don't need to send any mail, if it gets replicated by other studies I'll believe it. I can show you a study where Sardinians are part-Egyptian but they aren't are they?

Interesting that you're a Moroccan.

so 1200 samples is not enough ?? And post this study about sardinians it's probably an old one and modern sardinians still have a small amount of NA ancestry

[Dorian]

posting genetic study about France --> ok

about levant --> ok

about ancient celts of la tène culture --> ok

about north african admixture among iberians and tuscans --> nigga you have issues ...smh :picard2:

Were you the one who posted them?I haven't noticed .. what I've noticed is most of your posts are or turn out to be about south euros.

[Nassbean]

Were you the one who posted them?I haven't noticed .. what I've noticed is most of your posts are or turn out to be about south euros.

yes because only them in Europe have NA admixture and had contacs with us ... and it's a european forum If I post only about my people nobody would be interested

[Avgvstvs]

are you racist ? Or do you have any kind of problem with north africans ? People often post genetic studies here why can't I do the same ? I'm north african so of course I will post study related to my people and your opinion has no scientific value unlike this studyPeople who know me are perfectly aware that i'm absolutely far away from racism,since i don't believe in any superiority or purity....i just dislike posting "studies" with the dishonest purpose to always compare the south of Europe with north Africa....two areas that actually share very few things...different genetics, phenotypes,culture,food,habits,law system,architecture,languages,history....even religion....why do you insist with this stuff? Makes no sense to me.
Don't get me wrong,you can open all the threads you like of course,claiming and writing whatever you like,but i'm confused with the aim of all of this.....

I never wanted to sound harsh,but i just don't see the point in this.

Actually you have been racist more than once here.....we all saw you calling a latin American member with racial slurs....




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[Konstantinos]

so 1200 samples is not enough ?? And post this study about sardinians it's probably an old one and modern sardinians still have a small amount of NA ancestry

The issue isn't with the number of samples but with methodology most likely. If they excluded South Italians as a source the model may have had to compensate for it in this way. They posit a conclusion that noone else has yet reached. Therefore either it's groundbreaking discovery or simply something went wrong.

http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

[Axios]

The issue isn't with the number of samples but with methodology most likely. If they excluded South Italians as a source the model may have had to compensate for it in this way. They posit a conclusion that noone else has yet reached. Therefore either it's groundbreaking discovery or simply something went wrong.

http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

Do u know why Epirus was banned?

[Nassbean]

People who know me are perfectly aware that i'm absolutely far away from racism,since i don't believe in any superiority or purity....i just dislike posting "studies" with the dishonest purpose to always compare the south of Europe with north Africa....two areas that actually share very few things...different genetics, phenotypes,culture,food,habits,law system,architecture,languages,history....even religion....why do you insist with this stuff? Makes no sense to me.
Don't get me wrong,you can open all the threads you like of course,claiming and writing whatever you like,but i'm confused with the aim of all of this.....

I never wanted to sound harsh,but i just don't see the point in this.

Actually you have been racist more than once here.....we all saw you calling a latin American member with racial slurs....



that's the problem You directly think I have an agenda while I was just surprised to learn that even tuscans have NA admixture and so I decided to post it because I remember some italian members saying tuscans had no NA admixture.

Why do you go as far as thinking that I'm trying to associate our people ...I just opened a thread about the closest populations to me and italians/iberians are far from me so no I'm not trying to associate myself with you don't worry.

".two areas that actually share very few things." --> indeed that's why this study surprised me


I really doubt you would have reacted like this If I had posted a study about east asian admixture among tuscans ...

[Avgvstvs]

that's the problem You directly think I have an agenda while I was just surprised to learn that even tuscans have NA admixture and so I decided to post it because I remember some italian members saying tuscans had no NA admixture.

Why do you go as far as thinking that I'm trying to associate our people ...I just opened a thread about the closest populations to me and italians/iberians are far from me so no I'm not trying to associate myself with you don't worry.

".two areas that actually share very few things." --> indeed that's why this study surprised me


I really doubt you would have reacted like this If I had posted a study about east asian admixture among tuscans ...No,i would have reacted the same if it was about east asians

West asian wouldn't surprise me at all,but north african and east asian sound suspect or,even worse,nonsense.

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[Nassbean]

The issue isn't with the number of samples but with methodology most likely. If they excluded South Italians as a source the model may have had to compensate for it in this way. They posit a conclusion that noone else has yet reached. Therefore either it's groundbreaking discovery or simply something went wrong.

http://admixturemap.paintmychromosomes.com/

Hum...even the link you posted here show NA admixture for tuscans :

https://i.imgur.com/77lveFJ.png

[Nassbean]

No,i would have reacted the same if it was about east asians

West asian wouldn't surprise me at all,but north african and east asian sound suspect or,even worse,nonsense.

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"suspect" "nonsense" maybe if you don't know history but the study clearly shows that this NA influx happened during the fall of the roman empire at the same time when vandals invaded and devastated coastal north africa which forced many north africans to flee to italy. I don't see what's weird here

[Konstantinos]

Do u know why Epirus was banned?

EpirusDNA? I didn't know he got banned.

[Adamm]

I also doubt that they have North African admixture, do we have Tuscan G25 samples so we can compare?

[gixajo]

"suspect" "nonsense" maybe if you don't know history but the study clearly shows that this NA influx happened during the fall of the roman empire at the same time when vandals invaded and devastated coastal north africa which forced many north africans to flee to italy. I don't see what's weird here

Ok well, if this NA is not from muslims, it´s ok.:rolleyes:

[Nassbean]

I also doubt that they have North African admixture, do we have Tuscan G25 samples so we can compare?


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be careful with your references some of them can "absorb" the NA component

[Konstantinos]

Hum...even the link you posted here show NA admixture for tuscans :

https://i.imgur.com/77lveFJ.png

It isn't real North African, it's an approximation to hit the right balance. Let's wait for more scientists to catch up to the news then.

You didn't adress the source issue I mentioned.

[Nassbean]

Ok well, if this NA is not from muslims, it´s ok.:rolleyes:

hahah it doesn't work for everyone some simply hate us muslim or not

[Nassbean]

It isn't real North African, it's an approximation to hit the right balance. Let's wait for more scientists to catch up to the news then.

You didn't adress the source issue I mentioned.

sure it's not real NA ..meanwhile they have the famous south italian samples you asked for.

And which source issue ?

[Adamm]

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be careful with your references some of them can "absorb" the NA component

https://i.imgur.com/MuuGprL.png

I don't see anything significant which really says "north african".

[Leto]

https://i.imgur.com/MuuGprL.png

I don't see anything significant which really says "north african".
Can I try this model?

[Nassbean]

https://i.imgur.com/MuuGprL.png

I don't see anything significant which really says "north african".

that's not a good model for it simply because north africans are not 100% iberomaurusian but simply 30%

[Avgvstvs]

"suspect" "nonsense" maybe if you don't know history but the study clearly shows that this NA influx happened during the fall of the roman empire at the same time when vandals invaded and devastated coastal north africa which forced many north africans to flee to italy. I don't see what's weird hereNever read about that...and supposing it happened? How much do you think it has affected? 1%? Less? Slightly more? Negligible.



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[gixajo]

hahah it doesn't work for everyone some simply hate us muslim or not

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

[Adamm]

that's not a good model for it simply because north africans are not 100% iberomaurusian but simply 30%

Doesn't matter, the fits are great and I don't see any characteristic of north African which always comes with a bit SSA. Even if there is North African admixture it's so minimum and insignificant that its not even worth mentioning imo.

[Konstantinos]

sure it's not real NA ..meanwhile they have the famous south italian samples you asked for.

And which source issue ?

Did they check if simply South Italians work as a single source? As I said, we'll see in the future if this gets replicated.

[Leto]

Ok well, if this NA is not from muslims, it´s ok.:rolleyes:
If it's neither Muslim nor Sub-Saharan related, then no need to worry (by my standards) :cool:

[Adamm]

Can I try this model?

Its the model of CeltIberico:


Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707,0.12 2929,0.184826,0.001886,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.11 9514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.11 9514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.11 8376,0.178733,0.009805,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.11 7238,0.168578,0.018856,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.12 0652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.11 4961,0.185842,0.004525,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.11 9514,0.183811,0.006788,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744,0.11 9514,0.186857,0.009428,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.11 8376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746,0.12 0652,0.180764,0.011691,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.12 0652,0.184826,0.008297,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.12 0652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.11 4961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.11 1547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.11 2685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101,0.11 4961,0.179749,0.006411,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.10 6994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.11 2685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.12 7482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.11 3823,0.175687,0.001131,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Early_European_Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.11 9514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:BEL_Loschbour:I0001,0.133173,0.106631,0.2 0176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0 .096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.1229 29,0.082258,0.044877,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.1263 44,0.092413,0.038089,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.1240 67,0.08632,0.049403,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.1308 97,0.088351,0.044123,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.1263 44,0.085304,0.042615,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.1274 82,0.096475,0.037335,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.1240 67,0.093429,0.039975,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.1252 05,0.08632,0.045632,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.1229 29,0.090382,0.042238,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1290,0.036423,0.0 69056,-0.151603,-0.011951,-0.121253,0.011992,0.017626,-0.005307,-0.084059,-0.051026,0.003085,-0.005695,0.009217,-0.014588,0.026058,0.068814,-0.005737,0.008615,0.014581,-0.032391,0.01435,-0.02201,-0.016885,-0.041452,0.02874
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1945,0.048944,0.0 69056,-0.15198,-0.000646,-0.128332,0.031236,0.014806,0.002538,-0.086105,-0.058498,-0.007795,0.002997,-0.001338,-0.000413,0.029858,0.054494,-0.015516,0.003927,0.016466,-0.027763,0.002121,-0.023618,-0.008258,-0.034342,0.020118
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1947,0.042115,0.0 62963,-0.158768,0.014858,-0.118176,0.020638,0.012691,-0.005077,-0.078537,-0.061414,-0.00065,-0.003297,0.001041,-0.012937,0.034473,0.063908,-0.004955,0.014823,0.006913,-0.035017,0.010357,-0.029182,-0.012325,-0.035788,0.022752
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1949,0.034147,0.0 58901,-0.162162,0.017119,-0.119407,0.029284,0.018331,0.001385,-0.077515,-0.047381,-0.005359,0.003297,0.005352,-0.002477,0.03963,0.049721,0.012647,0.000633,0.0184 78,-0.03064,0.012478,-0.039322,-0.012202,-0.048682,0.013651
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N:I1954,0.053497,0.0 72103,-0.150848,0.004199,-0.126177,0.024542,0.022091,0.000462,-0.086514,-0.05376,-0.00341,-0.005395,0.008176,-0.000963,0.02823,0.043755,-0.01356,0.006334,0.011816,-0.04127,0.003494,-0.030048,-0.005669,-0.036391,0.025866
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693
Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian:I0861,0.019 35,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975
Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian:I1072,0.021 626,0.151314,-0.036204,-0.141475,0.034776,-0.082831,-0.032196,-0.010384,0.128032,0.012028,0.037837,-0.024878,0.085629,0.002615,0.007872,-0.008088,-0.020601,-0.008742,-0.026019,0.040269,0.007112,0.003462,0.007025,0.002 289,0.000599
Africa_Mesolithic:MWI_Hora_9000BP:I2966,-0.544074,0.057885,0.007542,0.026163,0.001539,-0.005578,0.167328,-0.13061,0.033746,-0.012574,-0.005359,-0.02203,-0.017691,0.005505,0.016151,-0.011138,0.022817,0.118834,-0.030545,-0.004377,-0.018218,-0.004451,-0.005793,-0.000843,0.003712
Ancient_Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11456,0. 039838,-0.042652,-0.180641,0.100453,-0.107405,0.049364,0.00423,-0.001385,0.00225,0.001458,-0.004709,0.001948,0.003419,-0.002615,0.007057,0.016043,-0.002999,-0.001014,0.006662,-0.02051,-0.00025,-0.014591,-0.007888,-0.018316,0.00455
Ancient_Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11459,0. 045529,-0.035544,-0.162162,0.101422,-0.09848,0.05773,0.00329,0.019153,0.020861,0.010205 ,-0.01153,0.008093,0.002676,0.003303,0.001629,-0.010209,-0.017602,0.001394,-0.003771,-0.015507,0.004367,-0.011747,0.000863,-0.016267,-0.002874
Ancient_Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466,0. 044391,-0.020311,-0.171213,0.076551,-0.104635,0.054105,0.010105,-0.010384,-0.00225,0.019499,-0.008282,0.014237,-0.007136,-0.012386,0.018187,0.026783,0.011865,0.010135,0.003 017,-0.014632,0.00836,-0.013973,0.003081,-0.006266,0.008023
Ancient_Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8726,0.0 55773,0.016248,-0.151225,0.071383,-0.114791,0.055499,0.011516,0.006,-0.029042,-0.023508,0.000812,0.005245,-0.002379,-0.01101,0.017915,0.014983,-0.011735,0.00076,-0.001257,-0.022011,-0.001373,-0.017311,-0.001602,-0.016147,0.004191
Ancient_Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.0 33009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Africa_Mesolithic:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP:I10871,-0.607815,0.050776,0.015085,0.026486,-0.001846,0.007809,0.128316,-0.100842,0.010226,-0.006014,-0.00065,-0.024878,-0.022448,-0.002752,0.001221,-0.001193,0.011474,0.02065,-0.003897,-0.002126,-0.004617,0.001113,-0.000246,-0.000361,-0.006466
Africa_Mesolithic:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP:I10872,-0.597571,0.059916,0.014708,0.026163,-0.011079,0.002231,0.120325,-0.098996,0.017385,-0.008018,-0.00065,-0.023679,-0.018285,-0.007707,0.002986,-0.002387,0.013951,0.014062,0.001508,-0.006003,-0.002371,-0.001855,0.003451,-0.001446,0.002275
Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N :NEO236,0.01935,-0.448864,0.067127,-0.049742,-0.041238,-0.046017,0.00846,0.003,0.003681,0.024602,-0.054563,-0.001798,-0.001933,0.012799,-0.010858,-0.005569,0.002477,0.000127,0.017849,0.012631,0.014 599,-0.029553,-0.019843,-0.000843,-0.010538
Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N :NEO238,0.025041,-0.446833,0.069013,-0.050065,-0.037545,-0.036256,0.002115,0.008307,0.007772,0.024237,-0.04417,-0.002997,-0.002081,0.003578,-0.009772,-0.01074,0.004563,0.007095,0.015838,0.005503,0.0086 1,-0.020155,-0.01442,-0.001205,-0.017364
Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N :NEO239,0.006829,-0.439724,0.07467,-0.051357,-0.03693,-0.036256,-0.007755,0.010384,0.012271,0.014943,-0.040922,-0.008992,-0.013082,0.008808,-0.005429,-0.01896,0.005998,0.01875,0.016341,0.012131,0.00087 3,-0.035365,-0.01405,-0.008314,-0.017962
Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N :NEO240,0.013659,-0.44074,0.078064,-0.053295,-0.033852,-0.039602,0.01081,0.01223,0.00225,0.01385,-0.054725,-0.005545,0.004757,0.009496,-0.012351,-0.018297,-0.016168,0.009628,0.019735,0.00988,0.01123,-0.025843,-0.021568,0.000602,-0.012454
Ancient_American:USA_Alaska_TrailCreek_9000BP:Trai lCreek,0.036423,-0.284348,0.083721,0.089471,-0.075706,-0.013387,-0.11398,-0.126226,-0.003681,-0.021139,-0.00406,-0.008243,0.004906,-0.011423,0.005293,0.003315,0.000261,-0.000507,0.007039,0.009505,-0.013601,0.002844,0.011339,0.003133,-0.009939
Ancient_American:BLZ_MayahakCabPek_9300BP:I3443,0. 052359,-0.323954,0.11389,0.093347,-0.118791,-0.018128,-0.286243,-0.337601,-0.007976,-0.008383,0.001786,0.005695,0.003271,0.022157,-0.002714,0.002519,0.00352,0.000633,-0.001006,0.005753,0.006364,0.002226,-0.001356,0.001687,0.003233
Early_European_Farmer:GRC_N:I5427,0.118376,0.18178 ,-0.001131,-0.105622,0.057241,-0.051037,-0.00423,-0.003923,0.039064,0.090207,0.003735,0.013638,-0.019177,-0.007569,-0.046959,-0.004243,0.040028,0.003927,0.004022,-0.013506,-0.012228,0.014096,0.00037,0.001325,-0.004311
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I10564,0.117238, 0.084289,0.034695,0.111759,-0.04647,0.03765,-0.000235,-0.000231,-0.059107,-0.069614,0.004872,-0.005695,-0.00669,-0.021056,0.03108,0.013657,0.009518,-0.006588,-0.002137,0.006003,-0.02558,-0.008161,0.016392,0.015665,0.000359
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I10565,0.125205, 0.089367,0.046009,0.115312,-0.028621,0.043507,0.002585,-0.005077,-0.052767,-0.079819,0.002923,-0.001798,0.003419,-0.035782,0.03298,0.023601,-0.007693,-0.003421,-0.010936,0.008379,-0.00025,0.002968,0.01023,0.024823,-0.00012
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I11112,0.125205, 0.089367,0.037712,0.101422,-0.026159,0.039045,0.007755,-0.000923,-0.05379,-0.076357,0.005034,-0.002997,0.001933,-0.01101,0.03678,-0.007292,-0.026207,-0.004307,-0.004651,-0.002376,-0.009733,0.001978,0.012325,0.016629,-0.002994
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I11752,0.119514, 0.084289,0.042238,0.117896,-0.030467,0.0502,0.007285,0.002077,-0.057062,-0.072894,0.000812,0.00015,-0.000892,-0.013349,0.040988,0.009546,-0.018645,0.005194,-0.000628,0.002376,-0.005989,-0.000371,0.006162,0.023015,0.002874
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I1829,0.12862,0. 094444,0.038089,0.111759,-0.023081,0.054663,0.00517,-0.000923,-0.048881,-0.083282,-0.005359,-0.002248,0.003271,-0.015138,0.036373,0.019358,-0.011343,-0.001267,-0.002891,0.009129,0.00549,0.003091,0.015036,0.0169 9,-0.007305
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I2069,0.126344,0 .082258,0.046009,0.117573,-0.032314,0.043786,0.006345,-0.002077,-0.05563,-0.079273,-0.001949,-0.00045,0.003122,-0.022845,0.042073,0.012729,-0.011865,-0.000887,-0.009176,0.003752,-0.009858,-0.004822,0.010476,0.031691,-0.012454
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I2071,0.132035,0 .097491,0.042615,0.108529,-0.026774,0.052153,0.007755,-0.003461,-0.053585,-0.07253,-0.001137,0.005395,0.007582,-0.024772,0.041938,0.014452,-0.013038,-0.001014,0.000628,0.007379,-0.007986,-0.005935,0.007765,0.018918,0.005868
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I3387,0.126344,0 .079211,0.050157,0.11402,-0.030159,0.046854,-0.00047,0.000692,-0.054812,-0.085651,0.001624,-0.006744,-0.002379,-0.028488,0.049538,0.001989,-0.008475,-0.000127,-0.008422,0.024387,-0.008735,0.017064,0.018487,0.036752,-0.015328
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I3388,0.117238,0 .092413,0.039598,0.103037,-0.028928,0.042949,0.009635,-0.000231,-0.056653,-0.071254,0.001299,-0.002997,-0.000595,-0.017616,0.02728,0.011403,-0.004955,0.00076,-0.003017,0.013882,-0.007237,-0.003586,0.009244,0.025064,-0.003592
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I3950,0.119514,0 .098506,0.046763,0.110467,-0.040931,0.048527,0.000705,0.003231,-0.063198,-0.078362,0.003897,-0.005545,0.005352,-0.014038,0.038273,0.010077,-0.022948,0.003421,-0.005028,0.006753,-0.012603,0.006925,0.013311,0.011809,-0.001676
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I3952,0.12862,0. 091398,0.043369,0.104653,-0.037545,0.043786,-0.00094,-0.006461,-0.058494,-0.075992,-0.005359,-3e-04,-0.008325,-0.024084,0.039766,0.003978,-0.005085,-0.006714,-0.000754,0.015382,-0.002246,0.004204,0.01023,0.025425,0.003832
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I3954,0.113823,0 .090382,0.037335,0.11402,-0.029544,0.054941,-0.00282,-0.008769,-0.071379,-0.083464,-0.002761,0.002847,0.0055,-0.017478,0.03773,0.00358,-0.010561,-0.006208,-0.008296,0.012256,-0.001497,-0.003586,0.016762,0.014942,0.001557
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5269,0.124067,0 .091398,0.033564,0.101745,-0.02739,0.050758,0.00094,-0.004154,-0.051949,-0.072894,-0.006008,0.001798,-0.003717,-0.021607,0.03963,0.0118,-0.008475,-0.003801,0,0.007754,-0.003993,-0.003957,0.011709,0.026028,-0.006945
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5270,0.129758,0 .083273,0.042992,0.110467,-0.018773,0.056894,-0.002115,-0.00923,-0.048472,-0.076175,-0.000162,0.005845,-0.000743,-0.024634,0.031759,0.01843,0.010691,-0.011149,0.008925,0.002251,-0.000624,0.000247,0.024403,0.013375,0.006347
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5271,0.133173,0 .079211,0.026398,0.127909,-0.033545,0.039324,0.0047,-0.002308,-0.061153,-0.077268,0.004384,0.002098,-0.017096,-0.037846,0.037595,0.023468,0.001043,-0.004181,-0.004022,0.005002,-0.000125,0.008903,0.014297,0.034824,-0.002155
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5272,0.122929,0 .09546,0.035072,0.111436,-0.03416,0.033746,0.00564,0.001615,-0.055426,-0.071437,-0.00341,-0.002548,-0.005649,-0.013487,0.036237,-0.004508,-0.009648,-0.00152,-0.002388,0.006003,-0.005241,-0.013107,0.008751,0.02904,-0.005389
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5273,0.121791,0 .083273,0.042238,0.106914,-0.024312,0.032351,0.008225,0.000923,-0.052563,-0.06925,0.002111,-0.001199,0.008474,-0.01968,0.036509,0.010475,-0.008084,-0.000253,-0.001257,0.015758,-0.012228,-0.003215,0.021199,0.019039,-0.004071
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5277,0.121791,0 .081242,0.049026,0.114989,-0.036007,0.049921,-0.000705,-0.001846,-0.056449,-0.075264,0.001137,0.006744,-0.003271,-0.0139,0.048316,-0.005304,-0.024121,-0.004307,-0.001383,0.003252,-0.003244,0.005193,0.012448,0.0241,-0.005149
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5278,0.114961,0 .087336,0.040729,0.123387,-0.035083,0.051595,-0.008695,0.008769,-0.065652,-0.080002,0,-0.006145,0.003865,-0.020781,0.034066,0.014187,0.014733,-0.001394,-0.008045,0.007379,0.011854,0.00915,0.006655,0.0286 79,0.002754
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I5279,0.118376,0 .09546,0.048649,0.117573,-0.035083,0.046575,-0.000235,-0.003,-0.068515,-0.083464,-0.000974,-0.002398,0.004906,-0.007844,0.040445,-0.012198,-0.030771,-0.000253,-0.002891,0.01138,-0.004742,0.009398,0.012202,0.018918,-0.003712
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I6711,0.126344,0 .085304,0.05242,0.12048,-0.020311,0.04769,0.005875,0.004615,-0.063198,-0.093487,0.001624,0.006744,-0.006838,-0.018717,0.053745,0.009016,-0.013038,-0.002027,-0.008422,0.029514,-0.017968,0.005812,0.015159,0.039283,-0.012813
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I6713,0.130897,0 .100537,0.030924,0.105299,-0.036007,0.044344,0.004935,-0.003461,-0.064425,-0.074352,0.000974,0.005995,-0.009663,-0.027112,0.031216,0.014452,0.001825,-0.005828,-0.006662,0.016258,-0.009234,0.000247,0.012695,0.027112,-0.003233
Steppe_Pastoralist:RUS_Afanasievo:I6715,0.125205,0 .081242,0.040352,0.111436,-0.032929,0.045738,-0.00376,-0.009923,-0.062175,-0.075446,-0.00682,-0.000899,-0.012042,-0.017753,0.04058,0.002121,-0.016168,0.000887,-0.000754,0.01038,-0.005116,0.008161,0.01405,0.014339,-0.000958
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1,0.037562,0.072103,-0.165556,-0.016473,-0.11756,0.01506,0.017861,-0.003231,-0.071583,-0.046835,0.003085,-0.003147,0.00669,0.000688,0.022122,0.053036,-0.011735,0.001014,0.014581,-0.035267,0.009358,-0.023741,-0.006655,-0.032896,0.019998
Ancient_American:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP18,0.060 326,-0.305674,0.122564,0.093347,-0.120022,-0.013945,-0.287653,-0.329755,-0.014112,-0.019499,-0.002923,-0.006594,-0.000297,0.014175,-0.010179,0.006895,0.002868,-0.004814,-0.001006,-5e-04,-0.001872,0.001978,0.002588,-0.005904,-0.001916
Ancient_American:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP21,0.051 22,-0.309736,0.115022,0.099484,-0.119407,-0.013108,-0.284598,-0.34014,-0.012271,-0.01385,0.00065,-0.002098,-0.000149,0.018029,-0.003664,0.007425,0.004042,-0.001014,0.005028,0.005378,-0.005865,0.011376,-0.001725,-0.000964,0.011975
Ancient_American:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP22,0.048 944,-0.31583,0.12181,0.095608,-0.112021,-0.023985,-0.279193,-0.339447,-0.01309,-0.019864,0.001461,-0.008093,0.001784,0.022983,-0.00095,0.001061,0.009518,0.001647,0.00352,0.00125 1,0.00836,0.011994,-0.008011,-0.009399,-0.000599
Ancient_American:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP23,0.051 22,-0.307705,0.118039,0.103683,-0.116329,-0.020359,-0.284363,-0.344755,-0.013703,-0.017312,0.003573,0.001199,0.005649,0.018441,-0.012758,0.006629,0.000782,0.00076,0.00817,0.00988 ,0.002995,0.008532,0.000986,-0.003253,0.001796
Ancient_American:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP:CP25,0.042 115,-0.308721,0.125581,0.100453,-0.110482,-0.016733,-0.287418,-0.345909,-0.01493,-0.021686,0.008444,-0.000749,-0.004906,0.013762,-0.005293,0.010209,0.015255,-0.002914,-0.002263,0.002626,-0.008859,0.005935,-0.007148,-0.002169,-0.004191
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Villabruna:Villabruna,0.121791,0.1147 55,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.0 35998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:ITA_Villabruna:England_Mesolithic:I6767,0 .126344,0.110693,0.202891,0.197031,0.157876,0.0557 78,0.010575,0.03346,0.086514,0.016583,-0.017863,-0.01139,0.014866,-0.001651,0.061481,0.065499,0.002477,0.009882,-0.005531,0.06353,0.116295,0.019661,-0.055954,-0.179664,0.019399
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001, 0.184111,0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090 809,0.028064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke:I11736,0.116 1,0.073118,0.040729,0.117896,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018 117,0.016629,-0.004071
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE240,0. 118376,0.085304,0.046009,0.111759,-0.022466,0.029005,0.008225,-0.000692,-0.050722,-0.061231,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,-0.026148,0.03393,0.004773,0.011995,-0.007981,-0.005908,0.020385,-0.011979,-0.001237,0.013064,0.024461,0.008861
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE546,0. 106994,0.090382,0.058454,0.121126,-0.03139,0.04769,0.00188,-0.002769,-0.065243,-0.087291,-0.00341,0.000899,-0.000892,-0.023671,0.007057,0.011138,0.006258,0.005194,0,0.0 01501,-0.004118,-0.006801,0.029456,0.032053,-0.016645
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE547,0. 119514,0.097491,0.045632,0.117896,-0.028005,0.038766,0.00517,-0.003692,-0.043359,-0.067974,-0.00406,0.001649,0.000743,-0.025598,0.035287,0.00411,-0.016168,0.002027,0.010056,0.006878,-0.003993,0.002226,0.007025,0.018316,-0.007424
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE550,0. 124067,0.097491,0.046763,0.107237,-0.02185,0.042391,0.00094,-0.010615,-0.050313,-0.073441,0.006008,-0.004646,-0.005054,-0.01734,0.034473,0.01896,0.002477,-0.005701,0.002514,0.009254,-0.000125,0.00643,0.020952,0.01699,0.002275
Steppe_Pastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0. 106994,0.089367,0.035826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer:GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG:I0061,0.125205,0.034528,0. 137272,0.204137,-0.015695,0.057451,-0.026791,-0.03046,-0.01084,-0.090571,0.025982,-0.009591,0.022745,-0.048581,0.019679,0.016309,-0.022426,0.0019,-0.006913,0.017258,-0.004617,0.011747,0.007025,-0.020485,-0.008502
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG:I0211,0.12862,0.032497,0.1 25958,0.221902,0.003385,0.056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG:UzOO77,0.117238,0.02945,0. 126335,0.20446,-0.018773,0.058009,-0.017626,-0.029306,-0.004704,-0.083464,0.019324,-0.016036,0.029881,-0.05037,0.022122,0.030496,-0.001956,0.005448,0.001257,0.017008,-0.003494,0.02201,0.015159,-0.014942,-0.012933
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG:I0011,0.124067,0.099522,0.1 68573,0.188633,0.087093,0.054105,0,0.013153,0.0353 83,-0.04483,0.001786,-0.024129,0.035976,-0.014863,0.028908,0.051975,0.007171,0.003421,-0.009302,0.03164,0.053531,0.011129,-0.019843,-0.092784,0.008263
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG:I0012,0.135449,0.084289,0.1 73476,0.195739,0.092017,0.056894,-0.00752,0.009692,0.050722,-0.038999,-0.000325,-0.018434,0.032557,-0.016928,0.02823,0.052771,0.004303,0,-0.006913,0.035017,0.062016,0.016693,-0.021445,-0.104714,0.001437
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG:I0013,0.127482,0.088351,0.1 55751,0.168607,0.089247,0.049921,-0.00329,0.001615,0.040291,-0.030616,0.00747,-0.015736,0.023488,-0.026699,0.034202,0.04402,0.00326,0.002407,-0.009427,0.048023,0.043922,0.010634,-0.019966,-0.097002,0.010897
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG:I0014,0.137726,0.083273,0.1 67064,0.190571,0.078476,0.056336,-0.004935,0.006,0.036201,-0.038816,0.002273,-0.015436,0.031962,-0.009909,0.034066,0.046672,0.007953,0.006081,-0.005279,0.043771,0.04517,0.011871,-0.026991,-0.098689,0.006107
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG:I0015,0.137726,0.092413,0.1 60653,0.193155,0.085554,0.058567,0.003995,0.01223, 0.025565,-0.041368,-0.002923,-0.019782,0.031219,-0.018304,0.032437,0.051047,0.006128,0.000253,-0.000754,0.040269,0.049163,0.021763,-0.022185,-0.095315,0.008502
Ancient_Iberian_Hunter-Gatherer:Iberia_Northwest_Meso:I0843,0.118376,0.08 8351,0.162162,0.17216,0.141565,0.0502,0.007285,0.0 35075,0.100626,0.012392,-0.012017,-0.009292,0.022745,-0.00523,0.060531,0.056218,-0.021253,0.012415,-0.007919,0.085291,0.139254,0.024483,-0.068526,-0.254614,0.027662

[Nassbean]

Never read about that...and supposing it happened? How much do you think it has affected? 1%? Less? Slightly more? Negligible.



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I and the study don't imply that this admixture is significant but it's there without a doubt

[Nassbean]

Doesn't matter, the fits are great and I don't see any characteristic of north African which always comes with a bit SSA. Even if there is North African admixture it's so minimum and insignificant that its not even worth mentioning imo.

not necessarily we have enough iberian examples to show that SSA isn't always there and the study itself doesn't imply that it's big but it's definitely there and some north africans settled there during the fall of the western roman empire

[Leto]

Its the model of CeltIberico:
Scaled, I assume. Bigger distance for me

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 4.2346% / 0.04234556
33.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
32.6 Early_European_Farmer
16.6 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
13.8 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.6934% / 0.02693390
55.6 Early_European_Farmer
28.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
14.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.1285% / 0.03128494 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Early_European_Farmer
31.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

[Dr_Maul]

Interesting how the study mentions it happening at the fall of the Roman Empire, you would expect any movement to happen while the 2 regions were united under one banner

[Avgvstvs]

I and the study don't imply that this admixture is significant but it's there without a doubtIndeed,it doesn't imply it is significant,because it is very negligible...so what's the point of even talking about it?

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[Nassbean]

Indeed,it doesn't imply it is significant,because it is very negligible...so what's the point of even talking about it?

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yes it's so negligible that they made a study about it ...:picard2: The point is that modern tuscans show traces of NA admixture and some of them have north african ancestors that's it no need to be so offensive

[Nassbean]

Interesting how the study mentions it happening at the fall of the Roman Empire, you would expect any movement to happen while the 2 regions were united under one banner

Imo it's due to the vandal conquest which forced many coastal north africans (who were romanized btw) to flee to Italy

[Adamm]

not necessarily we have enough iberian examples to show that SSA isn't always there and the study itself doesn't imply that it's big but it's definitely there and some north africans settled there during the fall of the western roman empire

True but Iberian samples have higher Iberomaurusian than these Tuscan samples, majority of these Tuscans don't have Iberomaurisian at all or 1% at most which is so insignificant that it could be even a misreading or it could even come from a Levantine input which would be more rational when we talk about Italy.

[Leto]

Why Tuscany and not some more Southern places? Tuscany is like the most R1b part of Italy, I believe.

[Avgvstvs]

Why Tuscany and not some more Southern places? Tuscany is like the most R1b part of Italy, I believe.Good point....R1b peaks at its maximum in Tuscany and Central‐Eastern Lombardy,that's what i read

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[Nassbean]

True but Iberian samples have higher Iberomaurusian than these Tuscan samples, majority of these Tuscans don't have Iberomaurisian at all or 1% at most which is so insignificant that it could be even a misreading or it could even come from a Levantine input which would be more rational when we talk about Italy.

not really in my model some of them have 2.6 and 2.4% and do not forget that the study used hundreds of samples while we only have a few here ...also I'm pretty sure a genetic study is way more reliable and accurate than g25

[MinervaItalica]

First the Iberians, now Tuscans....what's your issue Nassbean?


And no,Tuscans don't have any North African whatsoever....they have West Asian dna due to Neolithic admixture...but north african is even silly to think

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He's sick that's what. He need to pass time by posting nonsenses.

[Adamm]

not really in my model some of them have 2.6 and 2.4% and do not forget that the study used hundreds of samples while we only have a few here ...also I'm pretty sure a genetic study is way more reliable and accurate than g25

Can you show me your model with results of those samples?

[Avgvstvs]

yes it's so negligible that they made a study about it ...:picard2: The point is that modern tuscans show traces of NA admixture and some of them have north african ancestors that's it no need to be so offensiveAre you bipolar? You just wrote that YOU and the study don't imply that it's significant...and now you said "it's so negligible that they made a study about it",lol.

When have i been offensive? I didn't want to

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[Nassbean]

Can you show me your model with results of those samples?

I quickly made a small model based on average samples :


Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

and here the results :

https://i.imgur.com/QsGPgdn.png

it can't be from the levantine source nor the arab one because i've used samaritan and yemenite from ma'rib

[Nassbean]

Are you bipolar? You just wrote that YOU and the study don't imply that it's significant...and now you said "it's so negligible that they made a study about it",lol.

When have i been offensive? I didn't want to

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because you said "what's the point of talking about it ?" as if it was extremely small ...If they made a study about it it means it's there (maybe not significant but still non negligible)

[Adamm]

I quickly made a small model based on average samples :


Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.0279499,0.1390711,-0.0080871,-0.0764792,0.0277316,-0.0352023,-0.0313867,0.0052818,0.0684246,0.0297957,0.0040057,-0.0043877,0.0196314,-0.0161248,0.0140923,-0.0169052,0.0001521,-0.0232896,-0.0467247,0.0078579,-0.0168314,-0.0404275,0.0281347,-0.0044517,0.0063666
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

and here the results :

https://i.imgur.com/QsGPgdn.png

it can't be from the levantine source nor the arab one because i've used samaritan and yemenite from ma'rib

That model is not good because you used Berber_Tunisian (a modern sample) as proxy for the 'berber' component, Berber Chenins already have a huge ammount of EEF, and even some Steppe.

[Avgvstvs]

because you said "what's the point of talking about it ?" as if it was extremely small ...If they made a study about it it means it's there (maybe not significant but still non negligible)Negligible means that there is but that it is very small,like it is indeed...

I think we just had a misunderstanding about this

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[Nassbean]

That model is not good because you used Berber_Tunisian (a modern sample) as proxy for the 'berber' component, Berber Chenins already have a huge ammount of EEF, and even some Steppe.

they are all based on modern samples and for the moment chenini berbers are the purest. I can maybe try with tiznit berbers

[Nassbean]

That model is not good because you used Berber_Tunisian (a modern sample) as proxy for the 'berber' component, Berber Chenins already have a huge ammount of EEF, and even some Steppe.

also do not forget what the study says : it's north african admixture from the coastal area and the study clearly highlight the fact that those NAs already had an iberian component

[Adamm]

they are all based on modern samples and for the moment chenini berbers are the purest. I can maybe try with tiznit berbers

But you are using modern samples which is not good to proof their north african ancestry, modern Berbers already have a huge amount of EEF (which is their biggest component), so it's not weird that those tuscans could score 1 or 2% (which is not even much) from them.

[Nassbean]

But you are using modern samples which is not good to proof their north african ancestry, modern Berbers already have a huge amount of EEF (which is their biggest component), so it's not weird that those tuscans could score 1 or 2% (which is not even much) from them.

then how would you do that ? I told you iberomaurusian is not enough

[gixajo]

That model is not good because you used Berber_Tunisian (a modern sample) as proxy for the 'berber' component, Berber Chenins already have a huge ammount of EEF, and even some Steppe.

And this one using Mar_Taforalt as Berber?


Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

[Adamm]

then how would you do that ? I told you iberomaurusian is not enough

Iberomaurusian is the only way to identify North African ancestry with G25 because it's identical to North Africa. All other components are shared components so its hard to use it to proof N African ancestry. So the model of Celt Iberico is the best in this regard because the use of ancient components + the SSA proxies.

[Adamm]

And this one using Mar_Taforalt as Berber?


Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

https://i.imgur.com/GJLdyK0.png

Very good fits and 0% Berber.

[Samnium]

Arrant nonsense.

Nassbean is never tired about posting BS.

[gixajo]

Arrant nonsense.

Nassbean is never tired about posting BS.

But is a good excuse to use vahaduo and to talk about something.

Be positive.:)

[Nassbean]

Iberomaurusian is the only way to identify North African ancestry with G25 because it's identical to North Africa. All other components are shared components so its hard to use it to proof N African ancestry. So the model of Celt Iberico is the best in this regard because the use of ancient components + the SSA proxies.

with that logic every autosomal results are wrong because of shared components and if someone get 5% of iberomaurusian the north african contribution was certainly higher

[Nassbean]

Arrant nonsense.

Nassbean is never tired about posting BS.

it's a scientific study contradict them not me

[Adamm]

with that logic every autosomal results are wrong because of shared components and if someone get 5% of iberomaurusian the north african contribution was certainly higher

Yes if someone has 5% Iberomaurisan that also implies the person inherited some EEF and possibly a very small strain of Steppe/SSA. So yes the North African contribution is higher than just the Iberomaurusian, but its hard to identify those other components as 'North African' because those components are also part of other populations while Iberomaurusian is only identical to North West African population, so it's much easier to link North African ancestry to that Iberomaurisian component that pops up.

[Damião de Góis]

And this one using Mar_Taforalt as Berber?


Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Basque_Spanish,0.1319083,0.1504111,0.0582862,0.009 0081,0.0575834,0.0001239,-0.0033162,0.0004102,0.0313603,0.0455997,-0.0045288,0.0116063,-0.0227781,-0.0187627,0.0179452,0.0037271,-0.0058094,0.0027731,-0.0018156,-6.96e-05,0.0087901,0.0024868,-0.0068883,-0.0090371,0.0022619

As a western iberian with NA admixture, i do get some on that calc:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481585
42.2 Italian
28.8 Basque_Spanish
21.4 Scottish
5.2 Berber
2.4 Levantine

However, using Basque_Spanish as the iberian proxy doesn't work for me.

[gixajo]

And the Italian sample that used Nass in their sources, has not any NA itself?

[Adamm]

As a western iberian with NA admixture, i do get some on that calc:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481585
42.2 Italian
28.8 Basque_Spanish
21.4 Scottish
5.2 Berber
2.4 Levantine

However, using Basque_Spanish as the iberian proxy doesn't work for me.

Tuscans don't get anything yet their fit stays good, Iberians get it because they certainly have some Iberomaurusian ancestry unlike Tuscan Italians.

[Adamm]

And the Italian sample that used Nass in their sources, has not any NA itself?

No it has not:

https://i.imgur.com/zGYhBS3.png

[Nassbean]

Yes if someone has 5% Iberomaurisan that also implies the person inherited some EEF and possibly a very small strain of Steppe/SSA. So yes the North African contribution is higher than just the Iberomaurusian, but its hard to identify those other components as 'North African' because those components are also part of other populations while Iberomaurusian is only identical to North West African population, so it's much easier to link North African ancestry to that Iberomaurisian component that pops up.

I understand but it's still doesn't make sense because it would imply that I'm 60-65% european and that the average maghrebi is almost half european because of those shared component

[gixajo]

In the Celtíbero model previously posted:

Target: Italian
Distance: 1.0377% / 0.01037676
57.6 Early_European_Farmer
35.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 Early_Levantine_Farmer
0.4 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Ancient_Dravidian

[Adamm]

I understand but it's still doesn't make sense because it would imply that I'm 60-65% european and that the average maghrebi is almost half european because of those shared component

I'm not even in the favor of calling it European, EEF should be renamed as Mediterranean Farmer Component because it certainly is not specific to Europe but shared with both Europeans and N. Africans.

[Nassbean]

As a western iberian with NA admixture, i do get some on that calc:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481585
42.2 Italian
28.8 Basque_Spanish
21.4 Scottish
5.2 Berber
2.4 Levantine

However, using Basque_Spanish as the iberian proxy doesn't work for me.

Using only taforalt is wrong just look at what I have :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 5.0087% / 0.05008720
33.8 Berber
29.2 Italian
16.0 Basque_Spanish
11.0 Levantine
10.0 Arab


distance is high and I'm more european than "berber" which is false

[Adamm]

Using only taforalt is wrong just look at what I have :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 5.0087% / 0.05008720
33.8 Berber
29.2 Italian
16.0 Basque_Spanish
11.0 Levantine
10.0 Arab


distance is high and I'm more european than "berber" which is false

Add Yorube and see what happens:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

[gixajo]

As a western iberian with NA admixture, i do get some on that calc:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481585
42.2 Italian
28.8 Basque_Spanish
21.4 Scottish
5.2 Berber
2.4 Levantine

However, using Basque_Spanish as the iberian proxy doesn't work for me.

Neither for me, but is a good way to separate Berber percentaje clearly.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5295% / 0.01529520
55.8 Basque_Spanish
31.6 Italian
10.2 German
2.4 Berber

[Nassbean]

I'm not even in the favor of calling it European, EEF should be renamed as Mediterranean Farmer Component because it certainly is not specific to Europe but shared with both Europeans and N. Africans.

whatever if people disagree simply contact the scientists who made that study it's not a personal opinion

[Nassbean]

Add Yorube and see what happens:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

still more european than berber and distance is still a bit high :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.3770% / 0.03377020
34.8 Basque_Spanish
32.4 Levantine
26.0 Berber
6.8 Yoruba

[Samnium]

I'm not even in the favor of calling it European, EEF should be renamed as Mediterranean Farmer Component because it certainly is not specific to Europe but shared with both Europeans and N. Africans.

It peaks amongst European populations...

[gixajo]

Add Yorube and see what happens:

Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Mine remains the same adding Yoruba.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5295% / 0.01529520
55.8 Basque_Spanish
31.6 Italian
10.2 German
2.4 Berber

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03475637 Basque_Spanish
0.04716326 Italian
0.06458197 German
0.07220253 Scottish
0.16945488 Levantine
0.21727948 Arab
0.45290775 Berber
0.76546303 Yoruba

[Adamm]

still more european than berber and distance is still a bit high :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 3.3770% / 0.03377020
34.8 Basque_Spanish
32.4 Levantine
26.0 Berber
6.8 Yoruba

According to Davidski the distant is good enough, everything between 1,0 and 3,5 is oke.

The 'European' is your EEF (farmer component) and yes we Berbers from N. Africa have more EEF than Iberomaurusian, that is nothing new...

[Adamm]

Mine remains the same adding Yoruba.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5295% / 0.01529520
55.8 Basque_Spanish
31.6 Italian
10.2 German
2.4 Berber

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03475637 Basque_Spanish
0.04716326 Italian
0.06458197 German
0.07220253 Scottish
0.16945488 Levantine
0.21727948 Arab
0.45290775 Berber
0.76546303 Yoruba

Of course it will have no affect to you, its because you have no SSA unlike a North African who poses around 5% of pure SSA when we use yoruba as proxy, even though yoruba themselves have between 10 to 20% ancestry from a Iberomaurusian-like population (ghost).

[Nassbean]

According to Davidski the distant is good enough, everything between 1,0 and 3,5 is oke.

The 'European' is your EEF (farmer component) and yes we Berbers from N. Africa have more EEF than Iberomaurusian, that is nothing new...

I already knew this but that's why iberomaurusian can't be taken as the whole north african contribution

[Adamm]

I already knew this but that's why iberomaurusian can't be taken as the whole north african contribution

I know Iberomaurusian alone cannot be taken as 'North African', but right now with G25 it's the only way we can identify N. African ancestry in other people because the component is so specific.

[gixajo]

As a western iberian with NA admixture, i do get some on that calc:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4816% / 0.02481585
42.2 Italian
28.8 Basque_Spanish
21.4 Scottish
5.2 Berber
2.4 Levantine

However, using Basque_Spanish as the iberian proxy doesn't work for me.

Remove Basque and put those 2, or add without remove Basque:


Spanish,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.5849% / 0.01584921
85.6 Spanish
7.4 Portuguese
7.0 German

Edit: Basically I get the result MyHeritage gave me...

[gixajo]

thanks to Nassbean and Adamm we have discovered the secret of Myheritage...

[Adamm]

thanks to Nassbean and Adamm we have discovered the secret of Myheritage...

Can you try that model upon other Iberians who have MyHeritage? xD

[gixajo]

We must prove this with other Iberians, I will post sources in our thread...


Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Berber,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
Scottish,0.1314657,0.1342312,0.0622654,0.0470426,0 .039106,0.0172812,0.0035502,0.0051756,0.0035719,0. 0028246,-0.005614,0.0050473,-0.0116806,-0.0119731,0.023024,0.0031254,-0.0112549,0.0027736,0.0025499,0.0014516,0.0042246, 0.0033076,-0.0006559,0.0135561,-0.0007698
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Spanish,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053

[gixajo]

Can you try that model upon other Iberians who have MyHeritage? xD

yeah, just now :D

[Damião de Góis]

Remove Basque and put those 2, or add without remove Basque:


Spanish,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Portuguese,0.1061741,0.1446114,0.0360075,-0.0044316,0.042137,-0.0040494,-0.0037412,0.0027598,0.0255982,0.029741,-0.000734,0.0074214,-0.0127373,-0.0112631,0.0125568,-0.0003978,-0.0011316,-0.0008869,-0.005762,-0.0002452,0.0011379,-0.002572,0.0013015,-0.0011326,-0.0001053

Adding those two but leaving Basques:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4034% / 0.02403431
72.2 Portuguese
16.0 Scottish
8.4 Italian
2.2 Levantine
1.2 Berber

Removing Basques:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4026% / 0.02402618
74.0 Portuguese
15.8 Scottish
6.6 Italian
2.6 Levantine
1.0 Berber

Very strange, i don't get any Basque but their presence has an effect on the results.

[gixajo]

Adding those two but leaving Basques:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4034% / 0.02403431
72.2 Portuguese
16.0 Scottish
8.4 Italian
2.2 Levantine
1.2 Berber

Removing Basques:

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.4026% / 0.02402618
74.0 Portuguese
15.8 Scottish
6.6 Italian
2.6 Levantine
1.0 Berber

Very strange, i don't get any Basque but their presence has an effect on the results.

The results are itself stranges, other than that of the effect of removing Basque?

[gixajo]

If I add basque, all change also, and appeared more components in my result, also distance is lower.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.4993% / 0.01499251
34.4 Basque_Spanish
26.8 Spanish
15.2 Portuguese
14.2 Italian
8.2 German
0.8 Berber
0.4 Arab

[Rocinante]

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 1.5989% / 0.01598863
59.0 Neolithic_Farmer
32.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
3.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.6 Iran_Neolithic
2.2 Natufian
0.2 Satsurblia_Cluster

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.8790% / 0.00878992
57.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
31.2 RUS_Afanasievo
3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.4 LUX_Loschbour
2.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 Levant_Natufian

I really doubt it so much bro.

[XenophobicPrussian]

It is funny how people got butthurt at you for simply posting a paper OP, but nah I don't think it's right. Although I wouldn't be surprised given one of the Etruscan outliers had definite North African admixture, it's not like those people wouldn't have bred. Are there people in Tuscany with atleast noise level North African admixture? Probably, but I doubt the rural academic sample has any. Maybe that paper used a different sample of Tuscans or used moderns which can be flawed given nearly all moderns all already mixed.


Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.3110% / 0.00311026
30.2 Italic/Etruscan/BA_Italian
26.0 Mycenaean/Empuries_Greek
16.6 Germanic
12.2 Celtic/Gaul
9.6 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
3.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
2.0 Iran_IA

I won't share the model because then people just post their own results despite it having nothing to do with the thread, but yeah Tuscans nor any North Italians show any signs of North African admixture. Every single modern North African pop was in the model, only South Italians show any North African admixture, 5-6% for Sicilians, 4% for Calabrians, 2% for the rest.

Using moderns Tuscans do get a bit of Moroccan_North(the most Euro admixed North Africans perhaps) with everywhere in the Middle-East represented and all North African pops included, but that's more likely the flaw of using moderns.


Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.7897% / 0.00789686
72.4 Italian_Bergamo
24.6 Greek_Kos
2.4 Iranian_Lor
0.6 Moroccan_North

Was probably noise anyway because when I take out Greek islanders they score none:


Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 1.0532% / 0.01053206
83.6 Italian_Bergamo
9.6 Samaritan
6.8 Iranian_Lor

[Cristiano viejo]

First the Iberians, now Tuscans....what's your issue Nassbean?


And no,Tuscans don't have any North African whatsoever....they have West Asian dna due to Neolithic admixture...but north african is even silly to think

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You still ask? I imagine nassbean surfing for Internet searching desperately any link of whoever in Europe with North Africans :laugh:

[Nassbean]

It is funny how people got butthurt at you for simply posting a paper OP, but nah I don't think it's right. Although I wouldn't be surprised given one of the Etruscan outliers had definite North African admixture, it's not like those people wouldn't have bred. Are there people in Tuscany with atleast noise level North African admixture? Probably, but I doubt the rural academic sample has any. Maybe that paper used a different sample of Tuscans or used moderns which can be flawed given nearly all moderns all already mixed.



I won't share the model because then people just post their own results despite it having nothing to do with the thread, but yeah Tuscans nor any North Italians show any signs of North African admixture. Every single modern North African pop was in the model, only South Italians show any North African admixture, 5-6% for Sicilians, 4% for Calabrians, 2% for the rest.

Using moderns Tuscans do get a bit of Moroccan_North(the most Euro admixed North Africans perhaps) with everywhere in the Middle-East represented and all North African pops included, but that's more likely the flaw of using moderns.



Was probably noise anyway because when I take out Greek islanders they score none:

Yes I was also quite surprised by this but honestly 1200 samples for the whole study compared to some few tuscan g25 samples should also be taken into account. That's also what the study says :
The genome-wide study of Fiorito et al. [28] performed admixture analyses in a large-scale Italian dataset, and highlighted more complex events of admixture than the one described herein in Tuscany. Specifically, they described continuous gene-flow from different sources since 3000 ya, which could be the result of their more geographically diverse sample set relative to our geographically localized sample of Tuscany. Perhaps because of this, we infer only a single pulse of admixture which coincides with the movement of people during the fall of the Roman Empire, which was just one of the multiple events detected by Fiorito et al. [28]. Nonetheless, our focus on North African populations has allowed us to propose a more precise origin for the North African gene-flow into Tuscany, with our best surrogate group being comprised present-day people living on the Mediterranean shores of North Africa.

here is the study they are talking about : https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015233

Honestly idk what to say regarding this but we probably should wait another study to confirm this.

[Jugo]

Nigga stop coping.

[Nassbean]

You still ask? I imagine nassbean surfing for Internet searching desperately any link of whoever in Europe with North Africans :laugh:

no matter what you think I'm trying to do I still post peer-reviewed articles while you can only insult me ..it clearly shows the level between you and me.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Yes I was also quite surprised by this but honestly 1200 samples for the whole study compared to some few tuscan g25 samples should also be taken into account. That's also what the study says :

here is the study they are talking about : https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015233

Honestly idk what to say regarding this but we probably should wait another study to confirm this.
Oh I didn't know it was 1200 Tuscans, definitely a different sample then. Maybe they included some South Italian migrants/descended people from Firenze/etc, but yeah I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Nassbean]

Oh I didn't know it was 1200 Tuscans, definitely a different sample then. Maybe they included some South Italian migrants/descended people from Firenze/etc, but yeah I wouldn't be surprised either way.

no 1200 samples include many european, SSA, NA and ME populations so they had less tuscan samples but probably more than what g25 has to offer and yes the sample was definitely different

[Cristiano viejo]

no matter what you think I'm trying to do I still post peer-reviewed articles while you can only insult me ..it clearly shows the level between you and me.

Don't invent, I don't insult you. It is your problem if you consider brown as an insult.
You posting pseudo articles linking North Africans with Europeans, is that your argument? Because it is rather the mine...
It is pretty clear you want pirtifuly and desperately be linked with Europeans. All your threads indicate so.

[Nassbean]

Don't invent, I don't insult you. It is your problem if you consider brown as an insult.
You posting pseudo articles linking North Africans with Europeans, is that your argument? Because it is rather the mine...
It is pretty clear you want pirtifuly and desperately be linked with Europeans. All your threads indicate so.

I don't take it as an insult I simply reject it because I'm not brown I have a normal skin pigmentation for the med area.

So your argument is "pseudo articles" ok then prove it pls. I want concrete arguments. Moreover no I'm not desesperatly trying to associate myself with europeans. I'm a north african on a european forum so of course I'll made threads that concern both of us (In general when I made threads about NAs People don't seem to be really interested).

[Avgvstvs]

You still ask? I imagine nassbean surfing for Internet searching desperately any link of whoever in Europe with North Africans [emoji23]I noticed,yes

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[Dorian]

I have a normal skin pigmentation for the med area.

South med area maybe..

[Nassbean]

South med area maybe..

I've been to greece ...

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't take it as an insult I simply reject it because I'm not brown I have a normal skin pigmentation for the med area.

So your argument is "pseudo articles" ok then prove it pls. I want concrete arguments. Moreover no I'm not desesperatly trying to associate myself with europeans. I'm a north african on a european forum so of course I'll made threads that concern both of us (In general when I made threads about NAs People don't seem to be really interested).

Yesterday you not even thought on Tuscans. How is possible that you discover these pseudo articles? It is clear, because you waste your time searching any pseudo study or article where they say Europeans have North African ancestry.

If tomorrow thy say Finnish have North African admixture you will be the first to know it :p and of course, to post it.

[Jugo]

South med area maybe..

The very very very South Med. That part, you know, that touches Africa. That Northern Africa part.

[Dorian]

I've been to greece ...

Nice ,I've been to it too...

[renaissance12]

North africa was had been part of Rome for long time.....

[Nassbean]

Yesterday you not even thought on Tuscans. How is possible that you discover these pseudo articles? It is clear, because you waste your time searching any pseudo study or article where they say Europeans have North African ancestry.

If tomorrow thy say Finnish have North African admixture you will be the first to know it :p and of course, to post it.

Yes I read every genetic study that concerns my people I don't see what's weird here

[Cristiano viejo]

I've been to greece ...

Yeah, and people mistaked you as spaniard when you came here...
And all because, oh, God, they did not speak in Moroccan to you :lol:

[Jugo]

I don't take it as an insult I simply reject it because I'm not brown I have a normal skin pigmentation for the med area.

So your argument is "pseudo articles" ok then prove it pls. I want concrete arguments. Moreover no I'm not desesperatly trying to associate myself with europeans. I'm a north african on a european forum so of course I'll made threads that concern both of us (In general when I made threads about NAs People don't seem to be really interested).

Absence of proof is actually proof of your absence of evidence. We cannot prove a negative claim. Prove me that there isn't an invisible intangible elf fucking your ass from behind that quantum-ly disappears when you turn around.

[Nassbean]

Nice ,I've been to it too...

then keep being delusional and complexed ...

[Dorian]

then keep being delusional and complexed ...

Nice projection

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes I read every genetic study that concerns my people I don't see what's weird here

But that article is not about your people but about Tuscans. Tuscans were analyzed, not North Africans.
I am 100000000 % sure you make searches of studies about European populations having North African ancestry. Absolutely sure of it. You will never admit iit, but you and me know is true.

[Nassbean]

Absence of proof is actually proof of your absence of evidence. We cannot prove a negative claim. Prove me that there isn't an invisible intangible elf fucking your ass from behind that quantum-ly disappears when you turn around.

absence of proof ? I only posted studies and what people like you posted to contradict them ? Only personal attacks. End of the debate. Now go back from where you're from.

[yamagi]

OP might have some issues, but those who respond negatively becuase their Aryan ass can't take science and muh 100% European superiority are one the same level.

[Nassbean]

But that article is not about your people but about Tuscans. Tuscans were analyzed, not North Africans.
I am 100000000 % sure you make searches of studies about European populations having North African ancestry. Absolutely sure of it. You will never admit iit, but you and me know is true.

Even if what you're saying here was true it doesn't matter because this studies are real and talk about facts not opinions.

[Jugo]

then keep being delusional and complexed ...

Ironically you fit both categories you accuse somebody for as you definitely proved yourself as such in this very thread and my above logic quintessentially confirms you are both delusional and inferiority complexed as well since you have shown proof you really are by you delusionally assuming stuff without citing the slightest peer-reviewed compact science evidence and you don't really have the slightest proof but you desperately nitpick around small itchy bitchy things to most fragile support what you assuming. Definitionally and actually the assumptive person is most really delusional.

That's what delusional really means, someone who nitpicks itchy bitchy tiny particles of "evidence" and strawmmaning them such as you to fit its imaginary perception of him not being brown while you skin proves you are very brown. You are definitely projecting your inhibitions at fellow Europeans. You aren't European, deal with it.

[Axios]

OP might have some issues, but those who respond negatively becuase their Aryan ass can't take science and muh 100% European superiority are one the same level.

humans are trash

[Axios]

OP might have some issues, but those who respond negatively becuase their Aryan ass can't take science and muh 100% European superiority are one the same level.

humans are trash

[Nassbean]

Ironically you fit both categories you accuse somebody for as you definitely proved yourself as such in this very thread and my above logic quintessentially confirms you are both delusional and inferiority complexed as well since you have shown proof you really are by you delusionally assuming stuff without citing the slightest peer-reviewed compact science evidence and you don't really have the slightest proof but you desperately nitpick around small itchy bitchy things to most fragile support what you assuming. Definitionally and actually the assumptive person is most really delusional.

That's what delusional really means, someone who nitpicks itchy bitchy tiny particles of "evidence" and strawmmaning them such as you to fit its imaginary perception of him not being brown while you skin proves you are very brown.

who tf are you ?? Why are you so much invested ? That's suspicious...

And you don't really know what you're talking about I've always posted peer-reviewed articles to back up my claims go check my thread history instead of barking here.

[Jugo]

absence of proof ? I only posted studies and what people like you posted to contradict them ? Only personal attacks. End of the debate. Now go back from where you're from.

Don't bark orders to me or I'll bring your muzzler again. Where are your studies that you are a South Med? Nowhere. You are desperately assuming it by already indeed misunderstanding and misinterpreting studies. You really have no proof and we have proofs of the exact opposite that you actually not South Med but North African. Go back to your hole.

[Cristiano viejo]

Even if what you're saying here was true it doesn't matter because this studies are real and talk about facts not opinions.

Does matter because shows your complexes. Your racial complexes. It shows you get crazy to that Europeans have some degree of North African ancestry to feel less insecure about your people. You think if they have some North African they should not treat bad to maghrebis or something so.
And you know I am right...

[Cristiano viejo]

Even if what you're saying here was true it doesn't matter because this studies are real and talk about facts not opinions.

Does matter because shows your complexes. Your racial complexes. It shows you get crazy to that Europeans have some degree of North African ancestry to feel less insecure about your people. You think if they have some North African they should not treat bad to maghrebis or something so.
And you know I am right...

[Dorian]

OP might have some issues, but those who respond negatively becuase their Aryan ass can't take science and muh 100% European superiority are one the same level.

I doubt anyone responded "negatively" because of the content ,more like to seeing what's the motivation of op posting it ,would it be someone neutral you'd see different responses.

[Nassbean]

Don't bark orders to me or I'll bring your muzzler again. Where are your studies that you are a South Med? Nowhere. You are desperately assuming it by already indeed misunderstanding and misinterpreting studies. You really have no proof and we have proofs of the exact opposite that you actually not South Med but North African. Go back to your hole.

whut? ok definitely a troll account.

[Jugo]

whut? ok definitely a troll account.

Yes whatever you say. Then don't cry and bitch again about personally attacks while you personally attack me as troll. Everyone here proves you wrong from Dorian to me to everyone, they aren't trolls. You are the troll account and nobody else including me. Because I scold you doesn't mean I am a troll. Actually nothing means I am a troll, I just use simple logic you lack.

[Nassbean]

Does matter because shows your complexes. Your racial complexes. It shows you get crazy to that Europeans have some degree of North African ancestry to feel less insecure about your people. You think if they have some North African they should not treat bad to maghrebis or something so.
And you know I am right...

sorry but I have dignity I'm not the kind of guy to be so much complexed about his origins. I simply posted a genetic study about NA admixture among tuscans that's it no need to go that far.

[Nassbean]

I doubt anyone responded "negatively" because of the content ,more like to seeing what's the motivation of op posting it ,would it be someone neutral you'd see different responses.

where have you seen this ? You bring the "motivation" argument because you simply didn't like what I posted just admit it

[Nassbean]

I doubt anyone responded "negatively" because of the content ,more like to seeing what's the motivation of op posting it ,would it be someone neutral you'd see different responses.

where have you seen this ? You bring the "motivation" argument because you simply didn't like what I posted just admit it

[Dorian]

where have you seen this ? You bring the "motivation" argument because you simply didn't like what I posted just admit it

I'm so complexed ,how dare you africanize us Tuscans?

[yamagi]

I doubt anyone responded "negatively" because of the content ,more like to seeing what's the motivation of op posting it ,would it be someone neutral you'd see different responses.

If that's the case then avoiding these type of topics would make more sense, but I guess these are the most wanted topics, since admin makes money by high traffic, the more we 'fight online' the more he earns £.

[Rocinante]

I didn't bump this thread to turn it in a war agains't the OP, though i have to hardly disagree with this study. No calc detect the caracteristic ancient component of NAs in tuscans, which we all know at this point is the Iberomaurussian. Iberians and some southern french populations are the only one to score iberomaurussian, but not italians. Italians score non-european caucasoid of ME and WA, but not NAs.

[Leto]

I've seen people claiming Southern Italians are part North African but Tuscans are Central Italians.

[Axios]

I've seen people claiming Southern Italians are part North African but Tuscans are Central Italians.

Well, some italians like Pino Prestanizzi have a weird south moroccan appearance:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CGWfHHn6dL8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Avgvstvs]

Well, some italians like Pino Prestanizzi have a weird south moroccan appearance:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CGWfHHn6dL8/maxresdefault.jpgThat look is non existent among Tuscans

That guy is not Tuscan indeed

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[Nassbean]

I didn't bump this thread to turn it in a war agains't the OP, though i have to hardly disagree with this study. No calc detect the caracteristic ancient component of NAs in tuscans, which we all know at this point is the Iberomaurussian. Iberians and some southern french populations are the only one to score iberomaurussian, but not italians. Italians score non-european caucasoid of ME and WA, but not NAs.

The study clearly says one single event during the fall of the roman empire involving coastal north africans (so NAs with the lowest amount of iberomaurusian) and you can't be serious sicilians and calabrians clearly have NA admixture

[Nassbean]

I've seen people claiming Southern Italians are part North African but Tuscans are Central Italians.

I'm not claiming anyone here I just posted a study

[Rocinante]

The study clearly says one single event during the fall of the roman empire involving coastal north africans (so NAs with the lowest amount of iberomaurusian) and you can't be serious sicilians and calabrians clearly have NA admixture

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.0984% / 0.01098382
56.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.6 RUS_Afanasievo
12.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.0 Levant_Natufian
0.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Sicilian_East
Distance: 0.9847% / 0.00984673
54.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.8 RUS_Afanasievo
10.6 IRN_Wezmeh_N
8.4 Levant_Natufian
1.6 LUX_Loschbour
1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 1.0806% / 0.01080579
52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.6 RUS_Afanasievo
10.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.8 Levant_Natufian
3.6 LUX_Loschbour
1.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Yoruba

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.6961% / 0.01696069
56.2 Neolithic_Farmer
22.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
8.4 Iran_Neolithic
7.6 Natufian
4.8 Satsurblia_Cluster
0.4 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Dravidian

Target: Sicilian_East
Distance: 2.0853% / 0.02085329
54.2 Neolithic_Farmer
23.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
9.8 Natufian
6.8 Iran_Neolithic
4.2 Satsurblia_Cluster
1.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.2 Dravidian

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 2.1450% / 0.02145010
52.6 Neolithic_Farmer
23.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
9.0 Natufian
8.2 Iran_Neolithic
4.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.6 Satsurblia_Cluster
0.8 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Sub-Saharan

Ultra small NA admixture on them. They have a decent bunch of ME and WA admixture, but NA? I don't think so. You know that i don't cheat with my models, this all includes the Taforalt samples.

[CommonSense]

" Tuscans have north african admixture "

Let me guess....they also have the same skin tone as you do?

[Insuperable]

Never underestimate the power of OWD.

[Nassbean]

Ultra small NA admixture on them. They have a decent bunch of ME and WA admixture, but NA? I don't think so. You know that i don't cheat with my models, this all includes the Taforalt samples.

coastal north africans are only 25-30% iberomaurusian so if someone get 1% iberomaurusian it logically means the NA contribution was higher than 1%.

[mitalit]

coastal north africans are only 25-30% iberomaurusian so if someone get 1% iberomaurusian it logically means the NA contribution was higher than 1%.

Then a spaniard with a 6% of iberomasuarian is like a 20% na?

[Nassbean]

Then a spaniard with a 6% of iberomasuarian is like a 20% na?

Logically yes but people here will say no because it's shared components...if my children are half euro they will only get around 15% of iberomaurusian ancestry now think about sicilians who had almost no contacts with north africans for centuries (add internal migrations, normans,etc)

[Avgvstvs]

" Tuscans have north african admixture "

Let me guess....they also have the same skin tone as you do?Wait for the next thread....

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[mitalit]

Logically yes but people here will say no because it's shared components...if my children are half euro they will only get around 15% of iberomaurusian ancestry now think about sicilians who had almost no contacts with north africans for centuries (add internal migrations, normans,etc)

And how much "iberic" does a na (Morocco) usually have? like a 20?

[Teutonski]

Germans got ancient north african admixture

[Nassbean]

And how much "iberic" does a na (Morocco) usually have? like a 20?

it depends which north africans but on g25 it's more 10-15% for north moroccans

[Leto]

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.0984% / 0.01098382
56.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.6 RUS_Afanasievo
12.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.0 Levant_Natufian
0.2 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Sicilian_East
Distance: 0.9847% / 0.00984673
54.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.8 RUS_Afanasievo
10.6 IRN_Wezmeh_N
8.4 Levant_Natufian
1.6 LUX_Loschbour
1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 1.0806% / 0.01080579
52.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
23.6 RUS_Afanasievo
10.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
7.8 Levant_Natufian
3.6 LUX_Loschbour
1.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Yoruba

Target: Italian_Calabria
Distance: 1.6961% / 0.01696069
56.2 Neolithic_Farmer
22.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
8.4 Iran_Neolithic
7.6 Natufian
4.8 Satsurblia_Cluster
0.4 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Dravidian

Target: Sicilian_East
Distance: 2.0853% / 0.02085329
54.2 Neolithic_Farmer
23.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
9.8 Natufian
6.8 Iran_Neolithic
4.2 Satsurblia_Cluster
1.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.2 Dravidian

Target: Sicilian_West
Distance: 2.1450% / 0.02145010
52.6 Neolithic_Farmer
23.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
9.0 Natufian
8.2 Iran_Neolithic
4.2 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.6 Satsurblia_Cluster
0.8 Iberomaurusian
0.2 Sub-Saharan

Ultra small NA admixture on them. They have a decent bunch of ME and WA admixture, but NA? I don't think so. You know that i don't cheat with my models, this all includes the Taforalt samples.
So Southern Italians are approximately 20-25% Russian Steppe?

[Bosniensis]

It's opposite

People from North Africa have some Western Mediterranean Italian admixture.

[Nassbean]

I just posted a study it's not even my opinions ...go attack the authors of this study not me. Be sure I'll make other threads like this I will not accept to be humiliated like this again simply because of your racism.

[mitalit]

it depends which north africans but on g25 it's more 10-15% for north moroccans

Then a normal spaniard and a normal marrocan share like a 30% which is not crazy, i guess the canaries and riffians share much more but the distances are extremely large, maybe the ssa?

[mitalit]

Can you try that model upon other Iberians who have MyHeritage? xD

in my case it's pretty good


Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.3585% / 0.02358491
52.4 Spanish
23.2 Italian
21.0 Scottish
2.2 Berber
1.0 German
0.2 Yoruba

https://i.gyazo.com/02ed33a0e56d83d410d282e4517b9c12.png

[Nassbean]

Then a normal spaniard and a normal marrocan share like a 30% which is not crazy, i guess the canaries and riffians share much more but the distances are extremely large, maybe the ssa?

it depends I can get distances of 0.09 and 0.10 with some canarians which is quite impressive and yes this distance is also influenced by SSA and the iberomaurusian component (which is not a fully west eurasian component)

[Nassbean]

Then a normal spaniard and a normal marrocan share like a 30% which is not crazy, i guess the canaries and riffians share much more but the distances are extremely large, maybe the ssa?

actually I made a mistake if we use chleuh berbers instead of mozabites as a reference then north moroccans get around 15-20% iberian ancestry

[Avgvstvs]

I just posted a study it's not even my opinions ...go attack the authors of this study not me. Be sure I'll make other threads like this I will not accept to be humiliated like this again simply because of your racism.May i ask you why you always carry on this "racist" thing? It seems like the old agenda according to which one can be racist only if he/she is european and that non white people can't be racist....

If someone disagrees with you,it's not racism...you have even called me racist,but i didn't use any slurs against you nor i have offended you. So don't call me racist,i am not.

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[mitalit]

actually I made a mistake if we use chleuh berbers instead of mozabites as a reference then north moroccans get around 15-20% iberian ancestry

And riffians?
How much iberomasuarian get that canarian?

[Leto]

Be sure I'll make other threads like this I will not accept to be humiliated like this again simply because of your racism.
What racism? If they aren't your people, if they are Europeans and don't want to be associated with Muslim North Africans who are very different from them in every aspect, there is nothing wrong with that and it's completely understandable. Just like I'm sure many Moroccans and Algerians don't want to be associated with Sub-Saharan blacks like Senegal or Mali.
1-2 percent supposed North African ancestry in some Italians doesn't mean jack-shit.

[Nassbean]

May i ask you why you always carry on this "racist" thing? It seems like the old agenda according to which one can be racist only if he/she is european and that non white people can't be racist....

If someone disagrees with you,it's not racism...you have even called me racist,but i didn't use any slurs against you nor i have offended you. So don't call me racist,i am not.

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everytime I post a study about north african admixture people simply deny it or attacks me ...I wonder why. I will not even speak about the iberian case. I don't like playing the victim but I have to be honest with myself it's clearly hatred/racism (maybe uncounsciously for some members)

[Nassbean]

And riffians?
How much iberomasuarian get that canarian?

I was talking about riffians actually and that's what these canarians get :

https://i.imgur.com/Nm9vKoj.png

[Avgvstvs]

everytime I post a study about north african admixture people simply deny it or attacks me ...I wonder why. I will not even speak about the iberian case. I don't like playing the victim but I have to be honest with myself it's clearly hatred/racism (maybe uncounsciously for some members)You have to admit you are a bit racist yourself

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[Nassbean]

What racism? If they aren't your people, if they are Europeans and don't want to be associated with Muslim North Africans who are very different from them in every aspect, there is nothing wrong with that and it's completely understandable. Just like I'm sure many Moroccans and Algerians don't want to be associated with Sub-Saharan blacks like Senegal or Mali.
1-2 percent supposed North African ancestry in some Italians doesn't mean jack-shit.

as I've said before I don't care about emotions/opinions of people I'm strictly focusing on facts (I do not have the intention to associate any population to me I already made it clear that our distances are big let alone our cultures so stop with this argument pls).

[Nassbean]

You have to admit you are a bit racist yourself

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why ? Because I said "triracial rat" to a chicano 2 years ago ? I'm far from being racist be sure of that.

[Rocinante]

coastal north africans are only 25-30% iberomaurusian so if someone get 1% iberomaurusian it logically means the NA contribution was higher than 1%.

Might be, but every G25 calc, when modeling with modern populations, still iberians get in average between 4% to 5%, or maybe less than that.

And hey, i´m not racist, i just troll sometimes and not you. Just saying.

[Nassbean]

Might be, but every G25 calc, when modeling with modern populations, still iberians get in average between 4% to 5%, or maybe less than that.

And hey, i´m not racist, i just troll sometimes and not you. Just saying.

of course if you post modern samples who already get NA in them it will not show the exact value ...the same way some models show that I have no SSA which is false. If you make the right model andalusians, portugueses, galicians and asturians easily get more than 10%

[Avgvstvs]

why ? Because I said "triracial rat" to a chicano 2 years ago ? I'm far from being racist be sure of that.Yes,that could be a reason

If i have to trust you that you're not racist you shall do the same with me,believe it...also because i'm not the one who talks like a nazi....

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[Nassbean]

Yes,that could be a reason

If i have to trust you that you're not racist you shall do the same with me,believe it...also because i'm not the one who talks like a nazi....

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You accused me of being racist then pls give some examples

[Avgvstvs]

You accused me of being racist then pls give some examplesI already did



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[Nassbean]

I already did



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not really ...but ok it's just proves my point

[Avgvstvs]

not really ...but ok it's just proves my pointWhat point,i'm now interested[emoji38]

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[Cristiano viejo]

of course if you post modern samples who already get NA in them it will not show the exact value ...the same way some models show that I have no SSA which is false. If you make the right model andalusians, portugueses, galicians and asturians easily get more than 10%


Logically yes but people here will say no because it's shared components...if my children are half euro they will only get around 15% of iberomaurusian ancestry now think about sicilians who had almost no contacts with north africans for centuries (add internal migrations, normans,etc)

Two nonsensical comments where not even You know WHAT You sell. To be 10% North African, let alone 20%, you would have to have several North Africans great grandparents, taking account that not even a North African person is 100% North African itself.

And obviously that does not happen not even in the most wet, humid and refresh of your dreams.

[Cristiano viejo]

What point,i'm now interested[emoji38]

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Sorry Augusto, you are officially North African. Join the club and enjoy your camel. I have one in my garden and I am pretty happy with him.
The fact that you liked hashis so much never told you anything??

[Nassbean]

Two nonsensical comments where not even You know WHAT You sell. To be 10% North African, let alone 20%, you would have to have several North Africans great grandparents, taking account that not even a North African person is 100% North African itself.

And obviously that does not happen not even in the most wet, humid and refresh of your dreams.

and again a dumb statement :picard2: If both of your parents have already 10% NA then you'll have 10% like them ...no need of amazigh grandparents for that.

[Cristiano viejo]

and again a dumb statement :picard2: If both of your parents have already 10% NA then you'll have 10% like them ...no need of amazigh grandparents for that.

And again a dumb statement. How the duck your parents are going to be 10% North African? Because it is the same problem...
The only way to be 10% North African, Being euro, is having SEVERAL North Africans great grandparents. FACT. That never happened, nor of course happens. Have you lost the head? That is LITERALLY impossible.

You seem quite bad in maths assuming spaniards could be 10% North African, ROTFL.

[Nassbean]

And again a dumb statement. How the duck your parents are going to be 10% North African? Because it is the same problem...
The only way to be 10% North African, Being euro, is having SEVERAL North Africans great grandparents. FACT. That never happened, nor of course happens. Have you lost the head? That is LITERALLY impossible.

You seem quite bad in maths assuming spaniards could be 10% North African, ROTFL.

today I posted two studies about it and you didn't answer :rolleyes: I think I'll made a thread about it so all people on this forum see the truth :) and stop talking about genetics you don't understand sh*t about it

[Rocinante]

of course if you post modern samples who already get NA in them it will not show the exact value ...the same way some models show that I have no SSA which is false. If you make the right model andalusians, portugueses, galicians and asturians easily get more than 10%

What is NA admixture to you? Show me those right models where andalusians, galicians and asturians score more than 10% of this supossed NA you are saying.

[Cristiano viejo]

today I posted two studies about it and you didn't answer :rolleyes: I think I'll made a thread about it so all people on this forum see the truth :) and stop talking about genetics you don't understand sh*t about it

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about iwhat studies.
It is you who don't understand basic maths. How much North African do you score, tell me.

[Nassbean]

What is NA admixture to you? Show me those right models where andalusians, galicians and asturians score more than 10% of this supossed NA you are saying.

I maybe exaggerated a bit but they easily get 8-9%

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8649% / 0.00864920
51.2 Iberian
26.6 Italian
13.2 German
8.2 Berber
0.8 Arab


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.9969% / 0.00996883
44.4 Iberian
35.4 Italian
9.6 English
9.2 Berber
1.0 Arab
0.4 German


Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 1.3146% / 0.01314623
44.2 Iberian
35.4 Italian
10.2 German
9.0 Berber
1.2 Arab


Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.2195% / 0.02219460
62.6 Berber
19.0 Italian
10.2 Iberian
6.6 Arab
1.6 Levantine



try this :


Iberian,0.128241,0.1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.05 2112,0.0024173,0.000235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.03984 9,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Berber,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Arab,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05


P.S : it's based on average samples I'm sure many individuals have more than 9%

[Nassbean]

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about iwhat studies.
It is you who don't understand basic maths. How much North African do you score, tell me.

just wait amigo we'll see if you will still bring your dumb argument about grandparents :thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

just wait amigo we'll see if you will still bring your dumb argument about grandparents :thumb001:

Answer the Question, how much North African do you score?

[Nassbean]

Answer the Question, how much North African do you score?

haha stop pretending you understand genetics with your logic I have a fully iberian grandparent (they are still alive btw none of them speak spanish or came from there)

[Cristiano viejo]

haha stop pretending you understand genetics with your logic I have a fully iberian grandparent (they are still alive btw none of them speak spanish or came from there)

Even a loser like you starts to notice how fraud is your supposed genetic...

But Let me guess: you are not more than 50-60% North African. To that any spaniard (as you claim) was 10% North African, he (or all, as you claim) would be need to have two or three Nassbean great grandparents to inherit such amount.

I admit it is completely hilarious :lol:

And do you talk about logic? Perhaps our great grandparents spoke Arabic or were from North Africa, genius? :lol:

[Nassbean]

Even a loser like you starts to notice how fraud is your supposed genetic...

But Let me guess: you are not more than 50-60% North African. To that any spaniard (as you claim) was 10% North African, he (or all, as you claim) would be need to have two or three Nassbean great grandparents to inherit such amount.

I admit it is completely hilarious :lol:

And do you talk about logic? Perhaps our great grandparents spoke Arabic or were from North Africa, genius? :lol:

I'm more than 70% north african wtf are you talking about ? And no it doesn't work like that ...why do you think canarians still have such high amount of berber ancestry ? Are you going to say they all have berber grandparents ? :lmao No they simply had north african ancestors some centuries ago and their descendents kept mixing between them. Honestly I thought you were smarter than this ...wow

[dududud]

I'm more than 70% north african wtf are you talking about ? And no it doesn't work like that ...why do you think canarians still have such high amount of berber ancestry ? Are you going to say they all have berber grandparents ? :lmao No they simply had north african ancestors some centuries ago and their descendents kept mixing between them. Honestly I thought you were smarter than this ...wow

We can take Ashkenazi Jews as an example: a Middle Eastern individual + a European woman converted to Judaism = mixed descendant, the latter mixing with other mixed individuals (50/50, with the same contributions) will always give a descendant mixed, even in 2020.

Whereas if an individual has an Ashkenazi ancestor in the 15th century and the latter mixes with a goy, that this child from this couple who becomes an adult mixes with a goy person, and so on, the "Ashkenazi" intake is diluted and is almost undetectable by simple DNA tests.

[Nassbean]

We can take Ashkenazi Jews as an example: a Middle Eastern individual + a European woman converted to Judaism = mixed descendant, the latter mixing with other mixed individuals (50/50, with the same contributions) will always give a descendant mixed, even in 2020.

Whereas if an individual has an Ashkenazi ancestor in the 15th century and the latter mixes with a goy, that this child from this couple who becomes an adult mixes with a goy person, and so on, the "Ashkenazi" intake is diluted and is almost undetectable by simple DNA tests.

exactly but you're asking too much for him he is not able to understand such a simple thing

[Adamm]

All these threads end up into personal attacks.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm more than 70% north african wtf are you talking about ? And no it doesn't work like that ...why do you think canarians still have such high amount of berber ancestry ? Are you going to say they all have berber grandparents ? :lmao No they simply had north african ancestors some centuries ago and their descendents kept mixing between them. Honestly I thought you were smarter than this ...wow
Exactly that, yes, canarians have Berber grandparents. And parents. In fact, they themselves are Berber.

Yea, it works exactly so. Maths don't deceive, genetic today says a thing and tomorrow the opposite. Yesterday Tuscans did not have North African admixture and today curiously yes. Jaaaaaa.


We can take Ashkenazi Jews as an example: a Middle Eastern individual + a European woman converted to Judaism = mixed descendant, the latter mixing with other mixed individuals (50/50, with the same contributions) will always give a descendant mixed, even in 2020.

Whereas if an individual has an Ashkenazi ancestor in the 15th century and the latter mixes with a goy, that this child from this couple who becomes an adult mixes with a goy person, and so on, the "Ashkenazi" intake is diluted and is almost undetectable by simple DNA tests.
Another bad example since Jews, same than canarians, already are mixed by definition.

[Avgvstvs]

Sorry Augusto, you are officially North African. Join the club and enjoy your camel. I have one in my garden and I am pretty happy with him.
The fact that you liked hashis so much never told you anything??Why nothttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/896f65d3052b9be10cc05811bfb84aaf.jpg

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[Rocinante]

I maybe exaggerated a bit but they easily get 8-9%

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8649% / 0.00864920
51.2 Iberian
26.6 Italian
13.2 German
8.2 Berber
0.8 Arab


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.9969% / 0.00996883
44.4 Iberian
35.4 Italian
9.6 English
9.2 Berber
1.0 Arab
0.4 German


Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 1.3146% / 0.01314623
44.2 Iberian
35.4 Italian
10.2 German
9.0 Berber
1.2 Arab


Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.2195% / 0.02219460
62.6 Berber
19.0 Italian
10.2 Iberian
6.6 Arab
1.6 Levantine



try this :


Iberian,0.128241,0.1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.05 2112,0.0024173,0.000235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.03984 9,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Berber,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Arab,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05


P.S : it's based on average samples I'm sure many individuals have more than 9%

Distance: 3.0035% / 0.03003496
56.4 Italian
23.2 German
10.0 Berber
9.0 Iberian
1.4 Arab

That's me, but i see it very strange, because i'm not german and i don't have these quantities of italian. And this explain everything...

Target: Iberian
Distance: 4.9290% / 0.04929039
55.4 Neolithic_Farmer
26.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
17.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

You are using a basque for an iberian sample... Basques have lower steppe and higher WHG and Farmer than castillians, galicians, catalans, etc. You can't use for iberian a basque, you have to use either a peninsular average or a western iberian plus eastern iberian sample.

[Ion Basescul]

It's a very recent study I don't see why it should be unreliable. Whatever send them an email to say that you highly doubt it

It looks like most Tuscanians don't have any NA admixture. Maybe there is a strong variation within the different localities there.


<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
GEO_CHG
IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
Indian
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Levant_Natufian
WHG
Yamnaya_UKR


Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.02366018
•
59.6
0.0
0.6
0.0
3.4
2.0
4.2
30.2


Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.02591993
•
57.2
5.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
2.0
4.2
31.0


Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
0.02401782
•
54.0
3.2
0.0
0.0
3.0
4.0
6.4
29.4


Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.01878434
•
60.4
6.4
0.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
5.8
27.0


Italian_Tuscany:NA20506
0.02725468
•
58.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
2.4
2.2
0.0
37.4


Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
0.02669575
•
54.2
0.8
0.0
0.0
2.8
4.6
2.4
35.2


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.02655220
•
61.4
3.4
0.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
3.0
31.8


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.03719717
•
55.8
2.2
0.0
0.0
2.6
4.6
4.4
30.4


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
0.02524217
•
57.0
6.2
0.0
0.0
1.2
1.4
6.0
28.2


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.03523774
•
53.8
5.6
0.0
0.0
0.2
4.8
4.2
31.4


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
0.02791587
•
55.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
1.8
5.0
2.2
36.0


Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.03534394
•
61.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
2.2
36.0


Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.02093032
•
57.8
0.0
0.0
0.6
0.0
3.8
1.6
36.2


Italian_Tuscany:VO59
0.03324791
•
53.8
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
4.8
2.6
38.6


Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.02336094
•
60.4
3.0
1.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
4.2
31.2

</tbody>

Sicilians also don't score any as a majority.


<tbody>
Target
Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N

Baltic_LVA_HG

GEO_CHG

IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt

Indian

IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Levant_Natufian

West_African

WHG

Yamnaya_UKR



Italian_Calabria:ALP582
0.01741829
•

57.8
0.0
4.8
0.0
1.4
10.0
7.4
0.4
0.0
18.2


Italian_Calabria:ALP596
0.01873521
•

54.2
0.0
7.2
0.0
0.0
6.8
10.2
0.0
0.4
21.2


Italian_Calabria:BEL57
0.03338131
•

54.0
0.0
8.2
0.0
0.0
4.8
8.2
0.0
0.0
24.8


Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H
0.02145212
•

57.0
0.0
7.4
0.0
0.0
3.0
8.2
0.0
0.0
24.4


Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H
0.03528779
•

52.0
0.0
2.2
0.0
0.0
5.4
12.4
0.0
0.0
28.0


Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H
0.02277781
•

51.2
2.8
8.4
0.0
0.0
7.8
11.4
0.0
0.8
17.6


Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H
0.02672281
•

51.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
0.0
7.6
8.4
0.0
5.0
26.0


Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H
0.02485624
•

51.4
0.0
5.0
0.6
0.0
7.2
11.8
0.8
2.4
20.8


Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H
0.02969422
•

52.6
0.0
2.0
1.8
0.0
6.0
9.2
0.0
3.6
24.8

</tbody>

[Defcon2]

I maybe exaggerated a bit but they easily get 8-9%

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8649% / 0.00864920
51.2 Iberian
26.6 Italian
13.2 German
8.2 Berber
0.8 Arab


Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.9969% / 0.00996883
44.4 Iberian
35.4 Italian
9.6 English
9.2 Berber
1.0 Arab
0.4 German


Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 1.3146% / 0.01314623
44.2 Iberian
35.4 Italian
10.2 German
9.0 Berber
1.2 Arab


Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.2195% / 0.02219460
62.6 Berber
19.0 Italian
10.2 Iberian
6.6 Arab
1.6 Levantine



try this :


Iberian,0.128241,0.1516523,0.0563163,0.008075,0.05 2112,0.0024173,0.000235,0.002923,0.0277467,0.03984 9,-0.0059003,0.0093417,-0.02106,-0.012065,0.0184127,-0.002475,-0.0123433,0.0028713,0.0022207,-0.0065867,0.0077363,-0.002432,-0.006532,-0.006748,0.003672
Berber,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Arab,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05


P.S : it's based on average samples I'm sure many individuals have more than 9%

This model is only compensating for the lack of NA in the Basques with a sample that does have that (Berber).

Distance: 2.9509% / 0.02950851
50.6 Iberian
33.4 Italian
11.0 Berber
5.0 English

I am not 33.4% Italian :)

The coherence improves if I replace that with another sample, I don't know perhaps Murcia:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0209% / 0.03020896
83.0 Spanish_Murcia
8.0 English
5.2 Berber
3.8 Italian

Basques do not work for Iberians with an African portion.

[Nassbean]

This model is only compensating for the lack of NA in the Basques with a sample that does have that (Berber).

Distance: 2.9509% / 0.02950851
50.6 Iberian
33.4 Italian
11.0 Berber
5.0 English

I am not 33.4% Italian :)

The coherence improves if I replace that with another sample, I don't know perhaps Murcia:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0209% / 0.03020896
83.0 Spanish_Murcia
8.0 English
5.2 Berber
3.8 Italian

No both the spanish and italian components lack NA admixture so there is no compensating here. I don't see what's surprising with the italian admixture it's totally possible for a spaniard. Murcia already have NA admixture

Congrats you're 11% berber that explains your position on the PCA

[Rocinante]

This model is only compensating for the lack of NA in the Basques with a sample that does have that (Berber).

Distance: 2.9509% / 0.02950851
50.6 Iberian
33.4 Italian
11.0 Berber
5.0 English

I am not 33.4% Italian :)

The coherence improves if I replace that with another sample, I don't know perhaps Murcia:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.0209% / 0.03020896
83.0 Spanish_Murcia
8.0 English
5.2 Berber
3.8 Italian

Basques do not work for Iberians with an African portion.

Also, the lack of steppe of the basques, make the model compensate with italian and german. Also there is not an unique italian component, it's not a good model...

[Nassbean]

Also, the lack of steppe of the basques, make the model compensate with italian and german. Also there is not an unique italian component, it's not a good model...

After basque who score the less NA in iberia?

[Rocinante]

After basque who score the less NA in iberia?

All east iberans, i think aragoneses and riojans. Also the catalans and the castillians from La Mancha. Fair is using the last one mentioned.

[Nassbean]

All east iberans, i think aragoneses and riojans. Also the catalans and the castillians from La Mancha. Fair is using the last one mentioned.

with this model they get way less berber admixture :


Iberian,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Berber,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Italian,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8615% / 0.00861512
74.2 Iberian
13.6 German
5.8 Italian
5.6 Berber
0.8 Arab


Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 1.2209% / 0.01220940
66.0 Iberian
14.8 Italian
10.8 German
6.6 Berber
1.4 Arab
0.4 Levantine

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.5802% / 0.00580185
73.0 Iberian
10.2 German
9.0 Italian
6.2 Berber
1.6 Arab

But keep in mind that with this berber sample that's what I get :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.1290% / 0.02129009
61.4 Berber
26.4 Iberian
7.8 Levantine
4.4 Arab

only 61%

[Rocinante]

with this model they get way less berber admixture :


Iberian,0.1195142,0.14649,0.041389,-0.000323,0.0468548,-0.0001395,-0.0005287,0.002942,0.0249008,0.036903,-0.0021518,0.0103035,-0.0176535,-0.0128335,0.0127578,-0.0027845,-0.0047592,-0.0007918,-0.0022312,0.0010005,0.0034625,9.28e-05,-0.0011708,-0.0010545,-0.0002395
Berber,-0.1025221,0.131656,-0.0023166,-0.0759511,0.0310606,-0.0356582,-0.0335058,0.012016,0.0766524,0.0315659,0.0088154,-0.0092596,0.0247308,-0.0204174,0.0203483,-0.0157212,0.0001119,-0.0288305,-0.0534217,0.0119165,-0.0208205,-0.0511129,0.0307414,-0.0051899,0.0074671
Italian,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Levantine,0.0853674,0.1486734,-0.0573978,-0.0925072,-0.0096018,-0.0350286,-0.002209,-0.0081688,0.016321,0.008237,0.0091586,-0.0099212,0.0204854,0.0118632,-0.0055372,0.0021214,-0.011239,0.0010134,0.0021116,-0.003652,-0.0005242,0.003116,0.000567,-0.0029402,0.0046462
Arab,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
German,0.1302626,0.1373792,0.0579811,0.0387068,0.0 400035,0.0156461,0.0040665,0.0057865,0.003526,0.00 188,-0.0044133,0.0023732,-0.0053706,-0.0025417,0.0085125,0.0032913,-0.0032728,0.0016631,0.0033669,0.0017191,0.00314,0. 002005,7.18e-05,0.0083052,0.0002774
English,0.1318551,0.137043,0.0617883,0.044013,0.03 92299,0.0167481,0.0049845,0.0057448,0.0052637,0.00 56781,-0.0047691,0.0056161,-0.0125892,-0.0103507,0.0206153,0.0035521,-0.0103689,0.004094,0.003685,0.0029619,0.0059369,0. 0034036,-0.0032693,0.0137938,3.16e-05

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.8615% / 0.00861512
74.2 Iberian
13.6 German
5.8 Italian
5.6 Berber
0.8 Arab


Target: Spanish_Extremadura
Distance: 1.2209% / 0.01220940
66.0 Iberian
14.8 Italian
10.8 German
6.6 Berber
1.4 Arab
0.4 Levantine

Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.5802% / 0.00580185
73.0 Iberian
10.2 German
9.0 Italian
6.2 Berber
1.6 Arab

But keep in mind that with this berber sample that's what I get :

Target: Nassbean_scaled
Distance: 2.1290% / 0.02129009
61.4 Berber
26.4 Iberian
7.8 Levantine
4.4 Arab

only 61%

Confirming your european ancestry, and of most north moroccans. Actually, i prefer to use ancient components for modeling, is what almost every specialist in this matter, uses for see of what a population is really made, and what i know for sure, is that iberians score ~95% of EEF+WHG+WSH, the components that every european has.

[Axios]

Confirming your european ancestry, and of most north moroccans. Actually, i prefer to use ancient components for modeling, is what almost every specialist in this matter, uses for see of what a population is really made, and what i know for sure, is that iberians score ~95% of EEF+WHG+WSH, the components that every european has.

Why north moroccans have european ancestry?

[Rocinante]

Why north moroccans have european ancestry?

I'm not sure. I think Nass or Adamm have better answers than i do. Kabyle and riffians have more than 50% of EEF+WHG+STEPPE, this is fact.

[Nassbean]

Why north moroccans have european ancestry?

Mainly because of late neolithic migrations :


By 3,000 BCE, a continuity in the Neolithic spread brought Mediterranean-like ancestry to the Maghreb, most likely from Iberia. Other archaeological remains, such as African elephant ivory and ostrich eggs found in Iberian sites, confirm the existence of contacts and exchange networks through both sides of the Gibraltar strait at this time. Our analyses strongly support that at least some of the European ancestry observed today in North Africa is related to prehistoric migrations, and local Berber populations were already admixed with Europeans before the Roman conquest. Furthermore, additional European/Iberian ancestry could have reached the Maghreb after KEB people; this scenario is supported by the presence of Iberian-like Bell-Beaker pottery in more recent stratigraphic layers of IAM and KEB caves. Future paleogenomic efforts in North Africa will further disentangle the complex history of migrations that forged the ancestry of the admixed populations we observe today.

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

in the case of coastal north africa many of us also have morisco ancestors who settled in the big coastal cities such as tetuan, chefchaouen, tlemcen, etc

[mitalit]

After basque who score the less NA in iberia?

is it average? This one has 0 berber but is not average, I think it's pretty good.
Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029,0.126344,0.146236,0.041106, 0.005491,0.044316,0,-0.00047,0.005077,0.01718,0.033167,-0.004709,0.014687,-0.017839,-0.009634,0.005157,-0.000928,-0.003781,-0.001774,-0.001634,-0.003877,0.004118,0.008037,-0.002342,-0.000241,0.00012

Target: Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029
Distance: 2.3702% / 0.02370217
56.2 Early_European_Farmer
31.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
12.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer




Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 3.1646% / 0.03164644
100.0 Spanish_Pirineu

[Hamilcar]

Basically TA members on this Thread :


https://i.imgur.com/V9UH6jD.png

[Leto]

Basically TA members on this Thread :


[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/V9UH6jD.png
Why do you care? You came back to this shit six months later after everyone had forgotten it. I don't know why you haven't been banned again, I personally have reported you as a sock account a few times.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Basically TA members on this Thread :


https://i.imgur.com/V9UH6jD.png

Moreover I have another thing to add to this, they don't even fucking cluster anywhere near where "North Africans and West Asians" cluster. Bruh 50% of the Ashkenazi genepool is Southern Italian and Greek with 35% West Asian (levantine) DNA and even we're not even that close. Lmfao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/791871823636594695/792909999248375858/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742316204521422909/792920198603603968/unknown.png

Funny how these two genetically proven sources completely spit on this thread's author who is now Banned lmfao

[Hamilcar]

Why do you care? You came back to this shit six months later after everyone had forgotten it. I don't know why you haven't been banned again, I personally have reported you as a sock account a few times.

https://media.giphy.com/media/aJlKIh8Kh0NLa/giphy.gif

[Hamilcar]

Moreover I have another thing to add to this, they don't even fucking cluster anywhere near where "North Africans and West Asians" cluster. Bruh 50% of the Ashkenazi genepool is Southern Italian and Greek with 35% West Asian (levantine) DNA and even we're not even that close. Lmfao https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/791871823636594695/792909999248375858/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742316204521422909/792920198603603968/unknown.png

Funny how these two genetically proven sources completely spit on this thread's author who is now Banned lmfao


and so ? Doesn't mean they don't have north african ancestors.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

and so ? Doesn't mean they don't have north african ancestors.

So what? Lmfao don't you know how genetics work? The average Tuscan person doesn't even score even close to West Asian or North African. Even if they do, it will be extremely minor, around 1-2% Maximum

The only people in Italy that are more likely to score a noticeable amount of "North African" DNA or admixture are Scillians and Sardinians and even that is incredibly fucking exaggerated, the average Scillian (if he does score North African) is probably around 6-7% Maximum. This entire thread was entirely opinionated, quite literally it was


"I think they have North African ancestors because I think they do" - that's literally what this thread is, no they do not. They do not have North African ancestors - period.

[Hamilcar]

So what? Lmfao don't you know how genetics work? The average Tuscan person doesn't even score even close to West Asian or North African. Even if they do, it will be extremely minor, around 1-2% Maximum

The only people in Italy that are more likely to score a noticeable amount of "North African" DNA or admixture are Scillians and Sardinians and even that is incredibly fucking exaggerated, the average Scillian (if he does score North African) is probably around 6-7% Maximum. This entire thread was entirely opinionated, quite literally it was

Again so what ? The study isn't saying they have tons of north african admixture nor that they are not part of the european cluster. Can't you read ?



"I think they have North African ancestors because I think they do"

Where have you seen this ? The study posted has thousands of samples, it's more like " I think they don't have North African admixture because I don't want them to have it"

They have north african ancestors. Period. And historically it makes sense.

[Cernunnos]

One more year and Amilcar Cabral will be trying to prove that Samis or Laponians have Berber admixture.

[Hamilcar]

One more year and Amilcar Cabral will be trying to prove that Samis or Laponians have Berber admixture.

well Saamis do have a connection with berbers :


https://i.imgur.com/sHIz1Sg.png

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707607344

:thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

One more year and Amilcar Cabral will be trying to prove that Samis or Laponians have Berber admixture.

What for you talked... :picard1:

[Alexandro]

Okay.

[Oliver Tooth]

If Galicians and Asturians have it, why not Tuscans? I don’t get why some people are so surprised by this.