Lactose intolerance discussion

[Chris596]

I believe these websites don't lie. I have it and my father too, it's a little annoying but I got used to it over the years.

I don't really like milk anyway, so no problem! :D Thanks East-Asian ancestors lol :bowlol:

I'm curious, for example El_Abominacion, or other Turkish members for example, are you lactose intolerant too? (if you don't want to answer, it's okay). It's just so weird that so little (but higher) admixture can cause this in my case too. Are there many members here who have it?

https://i.imgur.com/eDh9dci.png

https://i.imgur.com/OeL8kmS.png

https://i.imgur.com/b3cTa7E.png

[Kaspias]

I'm partly intolerant. It causes problem sometimes and sometimes not.

My father and my mother have no problem though.

[El_Abominacion]

Yup, i'm supposed to be lactose intolerant

https://i.gyazo.com/e14da5af1aa2229d5c6e7e2f0defd171.png

My symptoms are pretty mild. Almost 100% of East Asians are lactose intolerant and my paternal line is entirely East Asian, so it makes sense. In your case too, if you have a more East Eurasian type of ancestry you'll probably have a higher chance of developing lactose intolerance. I still drink 1-2 litres of Milk every day regardless but I suspect it'll get more annoying as I get older

[Chris596]

Glad I'm not the only one lol. Yeah they say it gets worse as you age. I also drank milk when I was a child but I have recently started producing symptoms as well.

[Seya]

what does your report say?

[Maintenance]

Im lactose intolerant, 23andme said im lactose intolerant, the doctor aswell.

[Chris596]

what does your report say?

What kind of report? On these websites? Basically this, I posted the images here, nothing more. I just know that I have some kind of lactose intolerance (digestive problems after I drink milk, and my father has it too).

[Seya]

What kind of report? On these websites? Basically this, I posted the images here, nothing more. I just know that I have some kind of lactose intolerance (digestive problems after I drink milk, and my father has it too).

check this marker: rs4988235 on your raw data. is it AA, AG or GG?

[Maintenance]

https://i.imgur.com/aaYGXek.png

[Chris596]

check this marker: rs4988235 on your raw data. is it AA, AG or GG?

It's GG. What does it mean?

[Maintenance]

It's GG. What does it mean?

we wuz kangz

[Turul Karom]

I am incredibly intolerant. I cannot have any kind of milk without bloating, needing to use the restroom and other gastric issues. This includes in baked goods. I've been like this since I was young for whole milk and since about 13 for cheese.

I haven't had dairy at all in over 10 years.

I make my own bread and mostly cook at home 95% of the time.

[Maintenance]

I am incredibly intolerant. I cannot have any kind of milk without bloating, needing to use the restroom and other gastric issues. This includes in baked goods. I've been like this since I was young for whole milk and since about 13 for cheese.

I haven't had dairy at all in over 10 years.

I make my own bread and mostly cook at home 95% of the time.

When i was about 21 i hit my intolerance, i made food with sour cream and emptied my stomach within 1 hour
sour cream is my biggest enemy.

Now i only drink lactose free milk and eat cheese, no other dairy products.

[Chris596]

I am incredibly intolerant. I cannot have any kind of milk without bloating, needing to use the restroom and other gastric issues. This includes in baked goods. I've been like this since I was young for whole milk and since about 13 for cheese.

I haven't had dairy at all in over 10 years.

I make my own bread and mostly cook at home 95% of the time.

That's really interesting, thank you for sharing this with us. Now I know that it's not that rare (I think)

:biggrin Yeah, we wuz kangz :biggrin

Edit: btw I drank some milk a couple days ago and my stomach hurt like hell for almost a day it was insane

[tipirneni]

There are some lactose tolerance genes specific for Huns and some other North Asian people. Those are different from the generic European ones. You have to check all the following SNPs.



SNP ID Coordinatea Alleleb European Americans African Americans East Asians F ST p excess
rs1531957 134781635 T 21.3 8.2 26.5 0.03 …
rs1996589 134887524 T 68.8 33.0 60.0 .09 .42
rs1257168 134986220 A 40.4 7.1 18.2 .10 …
rs1257220 135037675 A 17.7 16.0 31.4 .02 .25
rs842360 135370213 C 34.4 46.8 76.5 .12 .44
rs1942043 135577820 C 3.1 5.1 6.1 0 …
rs749017 135595987 G 30.0 44.8 30.6 .01 .20
rs766271 135689459 C 55.4 30.6 46.3 .03 .28
rs2322254 135773177 C 19.8 35.0 51.4 .07 .54
rs1551497 135809970 C 15.0 47.8 16.1 .11 .53
rs1031575 135880258 G 3.1 1.0 2.9 0 …
rs2290518 135901142 G 85.4 42.0 80.0 .17 .63
rs2305594 135912936 C 9.4 6.1 15.7 .01 …
rs4954222 135934583 G 9.4 6.1 15.7 .01 …
rs2305247 135950620 T 2.1 20.0 1.4 .10 …
rs2305248 135950640 A 85.4 40.4 81.8 .19 .62
rs935612 135963831 A 88.5 42.0 92.6 .27 …
rs4954228 135998826 A 89.6 43.0 91.2 .26 …
rs4954231 136038842 T 8.1 32.0 7.6 .09 …
rs737388 136095539 C 2.1 21.0 1.4 .10 …
rs1469950 136150582 G 4.9 1.2 1.7 0 …
rs2118395 136223648 T 7.4 4.0 7.1 0 …
rs4954259 136260322 A 4.1 0 3.1 0 …
rs1370533 136272613 C 94.8 43.9 91.4 .30 …
rs984763 136367366 A 2.5 4.0 7.10 .00 …
rs2034277 136399322 C 0 15.6 0 .10 …
rs958400 136403174 A 0 35.0 0 .26 …
rs2289963 136428206 A 6.0 10.2 8.6 .00 …
rs4954278 136430619 T 9.2 20.8 9.1 .02 …
rs1438303 136452185 T 9.4 18.4 51.4 .16 …
rs313522 136453194 T 83.0 26.0 11.8 .39 .79
rs313520 136462199 A 0 11.0 0 .07 …
rs629377 136474052 T 0 13.0 0 .08 …
rs2117511 136484989 A 90.6 43.9 64.7 .16 …
rs2304367 136489492 C 0 13.0 0 .08 …
rs1347767 136507985 G 0 13.0 0 .08 …
rs1438307 136521494 T 83.0 25.0 33.3 .26 .76
rs3213889 136533903 G 82.6 26.5 35.3 .24 .75
rs2304601 136550362 A 0 1.0 0 0 …
rs2304602 136560269 G 0 0 4.3 .02 …
rs1030766 136575510 A 8.3 45.0 27.1 .11 …
rs1030764 136575857 T 86.5 47.0 62.9 .11 .70
rs1011361 136575967 A 83.3 28.0 35.7 .23 .76
rs2015532 136577853 G 8.3 20.0 18.8 .01 …
rs2322659 136577987 C 86.4 46.0 40.0 .17 .76
rs872151 136579133 T 8.3 11.0 14.3 0 …
rs892715 136598905 C 81.5 23.9 34.8 .24 .74
rs2322812 136600368 G 5.8 12.0 14.3 .01 …
rs2874874 136600522 C 6.8 10.4 14.7 0 …
rs2164210 136602615 C 81.3 24.5 37.1 .23 .73
rs1470457 136604176 G 15.6 45.7 38.2 .07 .63
rs730005 136605022 C 7.6 24.5 23.5 .03 …
rs2322813 136605137 G 6.8 14.6 18.3 .01 …
rs745500 136605520 A 81.9 25.0 37.9 .23 .74
rs2236783 136616486 A 81.9 25.0 32.9 .25 .75
rs2082730 136629069 G 0 10.0 0 .06 …
rs4988235 136630974 T 77.2 14.0 0 .53 …
rs2304369 136631648 A 3.4 18.0 1.4 .07 …
rs309180 136636583 A 82.6 23.5 32.9 .26 .76
rs309181 136637141 G 81.8 26.5 42.6 .21 .72
rs182549 136639082 T 77.1 13.3 0 .53 …
rs309176 136644544 C 81.4 25.0 32.9 .24 .74
rs309125 136665883 C 81.5 28.0 32.9 .23 .73
rs309167 136691592 T 9.5 20.4 24.3 .02 …
rs2322725 136699520 C 9.1 19.0 17.1 .01 …
rs192822 136704602 T 85.7 40.0 32.9 .21 .78
rs309163 136713685 A 0 8.2 0 .05 …
rs309120 136731115 G 8.0 39.0 48.6 .13 …
rs3112496 136733392 T 8.3 39.8 48.6 .13 …
rs309142 136737652 C 8.1 39.1 48.4 .13 …
rs522086 136757469 T 0 5.1 0 .03 …
rs309118 136768552 C 8.3 26.2 46.7 .12 …
rs309137 136788279 T 83.3 21.0 28.6 .31 .78
rs1469816 136814744 A 1.2 32.3 11.4 .12 …
rs2090660 136841047 T 8.8 12.2 17.6 0 …
rs2090663 136852863 G 0 8.2 1.4 .03 …
rs1112156 136899042 A 0 5.1 0 .03 …
rs953388 136929457 T 12.5 5.1 32.9 .09 …
rs2176716 136946021 T 18.8 22.0 45.7 .06 .45
rs1519523 136956777 T 52.1 22.0 25.7 .07 .37
rs1519529 136996585 G 19.5 8.0 0 .07 …
rs4440020 137012655 A 91.7 48.0 50.0 .17 …
rs4075810 137025473 T 3.5 4.8 46.4 .26 …
rs4347891 137058006 G 3.1 32.7 19.7 .09 …
rs4245843 137062112 A 3.1 44.0 27.3 .14 …
rs4954411 137098753 T 58.3 25.5 18.6 .13 .47
rs4501004 137129075 T 27.1 50.0 41.4 .03 .41
rs2138140 137133257 A 4.2 35.0 5.7 .15 …
rs1399604 137152993 G 27.9 24.0 55.7 .08 .30
rs867563 137164828 G 25.0 22.4 40.0 .02 .20
rs578935 137233319 C 10.4 8.0 31.4 .07 …
rs1346822 137236689 A 9.8 15.0 24.2 .02 …
rs694510 137303189 T 21.8 44.4 68.3 .14 .61
rs876338 137311475 T 75.0 49.0 40.0 .08 .55
rs1427588 137514654 C 43.8 36.0 55.7 .02 .05
rs1346731 137634915 A 40.3 19.8 20.6 .04 .25
rs2370192 137649312 A 4.3 1.0 0 .01 …
rs518614 137739179 C 61.5 18.8 14.3 .20 .54
rs574135 137762448 G 62.5 27.8 19.1 .14 .51
rs1432232 137821992 C 64.6 28.0 54.3 .09 .40
rs882374 137935623 A 25.0 36.0 40.0 .01 .34

[Seya]

It's GG. What does it mean?

it means you're intolerant. I'm also GG and it's true, i wasn't able to drink milk before but i got used to. I drunk a little bit everyday, very small quantities and in parallel i had home-made kefir. I bought the actual ferment. after a few months i was able to drink milk like a normal person. i still don't exaggerate but i'm good :)
https://i.imgur.com/WrNsCS5.jpg

[Chris596]

There are some lactose tolerance genes specific for Huns and some other North Asian people. Those are different from the generic European ones. You have to check all the following SNPs.


I found many of these in my DNA data but it's too long for me to write it down :P

[Turul Karom]

That's really interesting, thank you for sharing this with us. Now I know that it's not that rare (I think)

:biggrin Yeah, we wuz kangz :biggrin

Edit: btw I drank some milk a couple days ago and my stomach hurt like hell for almost a day it was insane

I have had the same things happen when I was younger. Cut dairy out of your diet entirely. It is for the best, and calcium is richer in other foods like vegetables than in milk. Earlier this year I had some baked goods for dessert, and I became sick and was awake all night. I had asked beforehand if there was milk, and they said "no". However, I asked a day later again and a different person said they use the same bowls and pouring machines for milk in some of their other goods and it is not uncommon for some milk to splash into their non-milk products when they try to turn off the valves. So they say, "No, there is no milk but there MIGHT be milk." Great; for someone like myself that's saying this meal MIGHT blow up your stomach but we cannot promise one way or another. Never bought from there again, lol.

Also, according to this lactate persistence chart, most Hungarians are lactose intolerant.

https://i.imgur.com/Mwts05q.png

[RandomGuy20]

I remember reading that around 75% of Euros are lactose tolerant - much lower in some African and Middle-eastern countries and almost none in Asia.
So most of the world can't process dairy properly.
I tried cutting out dairy for over a month and my stomach hurt like hell the whole time lol

[Seya]

I remember reading that around 75% of Euros are lactose tolerant - much lower in some African and Middle-eastern countries and almost none in Asia.
So most of the world can't process dairy properly.
I tried cutting out dairy for over a month and my stomach hurt like hell the whole time lol

apparently only 15% of europeans are lacto-intolerant. and based on this map, most of them are in the south-east
https://i.imgur.com/Mwts05q.png
https://i.imgur.com/ESPVu0H.jpg

[tipirneni]

I found many of these in my DNA data but it's too long for me to write it down :P

For eg I am derived for following

rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783

some of these present in ancient DA125 Kang Ju sample which is closest to Erzya people
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7hDkICHL_4s/hqdefault.jpg

[Terminator98]

apparently only 15% of europeans are lacto-intolerant. and based on this map, most of them are in the south-east
https://i.imgur.com/Mwts05q.png
https://i.imgur.com/ESPVu0H.jpg

Blame I2 for that. :lmao

[Kaspias]

https://i.ibb.co/q0g8cPx/Ads-z.png

[Peloponnesian pride]

I don't know about you guys,but if i don't drink my daily dose of cow milk,i am getting crazyy.Also many days especially in summer i literally replace water with milk.Why i can drink milk and you can't?

[Kaspias]

I don't know about you guys,but if i don't drink my daily dose of cow milk,i am getting crazyy.Also many days especially in summer i literally replace water with milk.Why i can drink milk and you can't?

I use milk only with frappe to make it softer, have never drink it solely in recent years. I was able to drink milk while I was 7-8, I remember clearly, but then intolerance started which happens from time to time.

I don't know what causes to being partly intolerant, apparently, I'm GG which should mean both of my ancestors have at least one G, and they are tolerant.

[Narration]

I can digest milk without any problem.

[Chris596]

For eg I am derived for following

rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783

some of these present in ancient DA125 Kang Ju sample which is closest to Erzya people
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7hDkICHL_4s/hqdefault.jpg

Alright, I found these ones in my data, just a couple ones, this is not even all of it. All these SNP's are related to lactose intolerance?? (among other things)

rs1257168 AG
rs749017 CT
rs4954278 CC
rs2305247 GG
rs935612 GG
rs2118395 AA
rs4954278 CC
rs1438303 CT
rs313522 AT
rs313520 TT
rs629377 AA
rs2117511 TT
rs1347767 TT
rs1438307 GT
rs3213889 AG
rs2304601 AC
rs2304602 CC
rs1030766 AT
rs1011361 CT
rs2322812 AA
rs2874874 AA
rs1470457 AG
rs730005 CT
rs2322813 AG
rs745500 AG
rs2236783 AG
rs2082730 TT
rs4988235 GG
rs2304369 GG
rs309180 AG
rs309181 CG
rs182549 CC
rs309176 CT
rs309125 CT
rs309167 CT
rs2322725 TT
rs192822 AT
rs309163 GG
rs2176716 CC
rs1519523 AA
rs4440020 AA
rs876338 TT
rs518614 CG
rs882374 GG

Edit: I also have one which correlates to the Kang Ju sample: rs2236783

[TheMaestro]

Never had problems with lactose, I tend to drink around 1l per day, which is suprising of my southern genes.

[Chris596]

I don't know about you guys,but if i don't drink my daily dose of cow milk,i am getting crazyy.Also many days especially in summer i literally replace water with milk.Why i can drink milk and you can't?

Unfortunately it's genetics so I (and the people who have it) can't change this. By the way it's good that you drink milk, I know it's (supposedly) healthy and nutritious but I can live without it I guess :)

[Alenka]

we wuz kangz
You probably meant:
We wuz Khanz
:fhhorse:

[Seya]

Never had problems with lactose, I tend to drink around 1l per day, which is suprising of my southern genes.

How surprising? :) it’s normal

[Joso]

interesting

[TheMaestro]

How surprising? :) it’s normal

More southern you go, more prone to intolerancy, and I drink milk alot.

[Turul Karom]

I don't know about you guys,but if i don't drink my daily dose of cow milk,i am getting crazyy.Also many days especially in summer i literally replace water with milk.Why i can drink milk and you can't?

Even if someone could drink milk, I would think that a glass of milk on a hot summer day would feel like a living hell, especially if you needed to do work outside or wanted to exercise.

[Seya]

More southern you go, more prone to intolerancy, and I drink milk alot.

More south and more east but still, don’t forget 85% of all europeans are still lacto-tolerant :)

[Turul Karom]

By the way, how could I check my genetics for the "GG" genes or other eastern lactose intolerant factors? I have my raw data from ftdna.

[Seya]

By the way, how could I check my genetics for the "GG" genes or other eastern lactose intolerant factors? I have my raw data from ftdna.

Check for this marker rs4988235

[Luke35]

According to 23andMe:

GG
Likely lactose intolerant

You
AG
Likely not lactose intolerant

AA
Likely not lactose intolerant


So I am AG. My experience is that I can have a small bowl of Cheerios, maybe like up to 6oz of milk and I'm fine. More than that and I run the risk of intense abdominal cramping and a trip to the bathroom. It is very predicable, too much milk and I will have a problem.

[Turul Karom]

Check for this marker rs4988235

I don't know about that marker specifically because I never researched it before.

This is what I found in my raw data if you (or anyone else) would help me interpret:

https://i.imgur.com/3yhde8z.png

[Seya]

I don't know about that marker specifically because I never researched it before.

This is what I found in my raw data if you (or anyone else) would help me interpret:

https://i.imgur.com/3yhde8z.png

GG is lacto-intolerant

[HelloGuys]

I can drink milk and eat cheese, cream and icecream too

[Luke35]

I don't know about that marker specifically because I never researched it before.

This is what I found in my raw data if you (or anyone else) would help me interpret:

https://i.imgur.com/3yhde8z.png

Yep, intolerant my friend.


Got milk?

Not Turul, he don't got milk!

[Turul Karom]

So I am AG. My experience is that I can have a small bowl of Cheerios, maybe like up to 6oz of milk and I'm fine. More than that and I run the risk of intense abdominal cramping and a trip to the bathroom. It is very predicable, too much milk and I will have a problem.

Far more dairy than I can handle. Apparently I just discovered this moment (thanks to Seya) that I am GG. As in, GG my colon if I eat any bit of milk.


GG is lacto-intolerant

I see the GG at the end; makes sense to me. I never knew there was a specific gene that could show lactose intolerance with this level of certainty. I've been told before that it's how you are brought up sometimes. I can eat very, very spicy peppers and grow them as well. I attributed this to eating them a lot as a child and as a teenager. Is there a gene for capsaicin tolerance as well?

Also, were you and others talking about more eastern-specific genes that could be related to lactose intolerance? How would I search for those as well, or does this GG show something else as well?

[HelloGuys]

More southern you go, more prone to intolerancy, and I drink milk alot.

Yeah, but not always is the rule, I mean thanks to my European ancestry (Exclusively Spanish) I am not lactose intolerant; I think I am lucky I guess xD

[Friedrich Ulrich]

Nope im able to drink milk and i can totally digest all diary products

[Seya]

Far more dairy than I can handle. Apparently I just discovered this moment (thanks to Seya) that I am GG. As in, GG my colon if I eat any bit of milk.



I see the GG at the end; makes sense to me. I never knew there was a specific gene that could show lactose intolerance with this level of certainty. I've been told before that it's how you are brought up sometimes. I can eat very, very spicy peppers and grow them as well. I attributed this to eating them a lot as a child and as a teenager. Is there a gene for capsaicin tolerance as well?

Also, were you and others talking about more eastern-specific genes that could be related to lactose intolerance? How would I search for those as well, or does this GG show something else as well?

I don't think there is a gene for capsaicin tolerance and it’s true, you can become lacto-tolerant or intolerant even if you’re genes show otherwise. If you stop drinking milk for a very long period of time, you become lacto-intolerant. Yes, this variation GG is rarer in europeans. Apparently only 15% of europeans have it and mostly in the south-east. 99% of east asians have it and it’s probably non existent in Scandinavians or NW europeans

[Peloponnesian pride]

I use milk only with frappe to make it softer, have never drink it solely in recent years. I was able to drink milk while I was 7-8, I remember clearly, but then intolerance started which happens from time to time.

I don't know what causes to being partly intolerant, apparently, I'm GG which should mean both of my ancestors have at least one G, and they are tolerant.

I guess you use evaporated milk with frape.Also maybe the tolarance to milk has to do with IE genes.

[Mingle]

23andMe said I'm GG and likely lactose intolerant but I drink milk and eat yogurt regularly.

[Mixdguy17]

I am Lactose Tolerant and I think all my family naturally is as well. I really like all Diary products a lot tbh, specially cheese and Vanilla/Oreo Ice cream. My mom on the other hand really loves it as well but for some reason she developed an intolerance to Lactose wayyyyy later in her life, in her 40s to be exact, so that can happen as well I guess.

[Turul Karom]

Yep, intolerant my friend.


Got milk?

Not Turul, he don't got milk!

I'm starting to be very curious as to what other Hungarians score on this test as well. Statistically, according to the maps I've been looking at (causally on image searches) for lactate persistence, Hungarians are only 20-40% lactose tolerant, depending on the map. Some go even lower. Therefore, it would be more common in Hungary to not be able to tolerate milk.

I don't understand how some of our national dishes have heaps of sour cream or are covered in cheese (lángos is the worst of both worlds). I avoid it like the plague, but at kurultaj there was a lángos stand and my friend I was there with bought one and was able to eat it next to me without problems in a hot, sunny day. I ate hummus and fried (no milk) zucchini slices, lol.

[Turul Karom]

Yep, intolerant my friend.


Got milk?

Not Turul, he don't got milk!

I'm starting to be very curious as to what other Hungarians score on this test as well. Statistically, according to the maps I've been looking at (causally on image searches) for lactate persistence, Hungarians are only 20-40% lactose tolerant, depending on the map. Some go even lower. Therefore, it would be more common in Hungary to not be able to tolerate milk.

I don't understand how some of our national dishes have heaps of sour cream or are covered in cheese (lángos is the worst of both worlds). I avoid it like the plague, but at kurultaj there was a lángos stand and my friend I was there with bought one and was able to eat it next to me without problems in a hot, sunny day. I ate hummus and fried (no milk) zucchini slices, lol.

[Peloponnesian pride]

Even if someone could drink milk, I would think that a glass of milk on a hot summer day would feel like a living hell, especially if you needed to do work outside or wanted to exercise.

Believe me my friend it is the opposite.When i go to play basketball and after that i come back home a cold glass of milk is like paradise to me.

[Chris596]

I'm starting to be very curious as to what other Hungarians score on this test as well. Statistically, according to the maps I've been looking at (causally on image searches) for lactate persistence, Hungarians are only 20-40% lactose tolerant, depending on the map. Some go even lower. Therefore, it would be more common in Hungary to not be able to tolerate milk.

I don't understand how some of our national dishes have heaps of sour cream or are covered in cheese (lángos is the worst of both worlds). I avoid it like the plague, but at kurultaj there was a lángos stand and my friend I was there with bought one and was able to eat it next to me without problems in a hot, sunny day. I ate hummus and fried (no milk) zucchini slices, lol.

I know very few people who are lactose intolerant but they are certainly more ,,western'' than me. How was Kurultáj? I would love to visit it at least once in my life!

[Peloponnesian pride]

Unfortunately it's genetics so I (and the people who have it) can't change this. By the way it's good that you drink milk, I know it's (supposedly) healthy and nutritious but I can live without it I guess :)

Don't worry,you can replace it with almond milk or coconut milk ;)

[Turul Karom]

I don't think there is a gene for capsaicin tolerance and it’s true, you can become lacto-tolerant or intolerant even if you’re genes show otherwise. If you stop drinking milk for a very long period of time, you become lacto-intolerant. Yes, this variation GG is rarer in europeans. Apparently only 15% of europeans have it and mostly in the south-east. 99% of east asians have it and it’s probably non existent in Scandinavians or NW europeans

Very interesting. I wonder why you're able to wean yourself into tolerance if your genetics say you cannot digest it at all. I couldn't imagine ever going back to eating any amount of dairy; I am very strict in the elimination of it from my diet.

Where do you think you and others like us got this GG from? I'm aware of the obvious possible connections for myself, but would be interested if there is any more Eurasian steppe or eastern evidence I can look for specifically in my raw DNA. I'm shocked so many East Asians have GG; I thought it would be high, but not that high.

[Seya]

I'm starting to be very curious as to what other Hungarians score on this test as well. Statistically, according to the maps I've been looking at (causally on image searches) for lactate persistence, Hungarians are only 20-40% lactose tolerant, depending on the map. Some go even lower. Therefore, it would be more common in Hungary to not be able to tolerate milk.

I don't understand how some of our national dishes have heaps of sour cream or are covered in cheese (lángos is the worst of both worlds). I avoid it like the plague, but at kurultaj there was a lángos stand and my friend I was there with bought one and was able to eat it next to me without problems in a hot, sunny day. I ate hummus and fried (no milk) zucchini slices, lol.

I doubt only 20-40% of hungarians are lacto-tolerant. They’re most probably in the same range with the rest of europeans.
If 15% is the euro average and scandinavians+NWesterners are close to 0%, it means this region has higher lacto-intolerant people than the euro average. It might be up to 25-30%, maybe higher. Both of my parents are GG, which means is pretty common.

[Annihilus]

I'm starting to be very curious as to what other Hungarians score on this test as well. Statistically, according to the maps I've been looking at (causally on image searches) for lactate persistence, Hungarians are only 20-40% lactose tolerant, depending on the map. Some go even lower. Therefore, it would be more common in Hungary to not be able to tolerate milk.

I don't understand how some of our national dishes have heaps of sour cream or are covered in cheese (lángos is the worst of both worlds). I avoid it like the plague, but at kurultaj there was a lángos stand and my friend I was there with bought one and was able to eat it next to me without problems in a hot, sunny day. I ate hummus and fried (no milk) zucchini slices, lol.

That is why people do stuff with milk so they can consume it, for example proper yoghurt (one that is allowed at least 12 hrs fermenting) has almost no lactose left.

[Peloponnesian pride]

So guys the question is who brought the genes for tolerance to cow milk to europe.The answer are both IE and neolithic farmers? or only the IE? or the gene egisted here already from hunters-gatherers ?

[Annihilus]

So guys the question is who brought the genes for tolerance to cow milk to europe.The answer are both IE and neolithic farmers? or only the IE? or the gene egisted here already from hunters-gatherers ?

I think this mutation occured in a cold place where people could keep the milk longer, in a not cold climate you do stuff with it to prevent it from going bad and that usually involves lactose conversion so there is no need for such a mutation.

[Mingle]

So guys the question is who brought the genes for tolerance to cow milk to europe.The answer are both IE and neolithic farmers? or only the IE? or the gene egisted here already from hunters-gatherers ?

Don't think its a specific group. Either only neolithic farmers or some other explanation.

[Kökény]

According to 23andMe:

GG
Likely lactose intolerant

You
AG
Likely not lactose intolerant

AA
Likely not lactose intolerant


So I am AG. My experience is that I can have a small bowl of Cheerios, maybe like up to 6oz of milk and I'm fine. More than that and I run the risk of intense abdominal cramping and a trip to the bathroom. It is very predicable, too much milk and I will have a problem.

I am AG as well. I'm fine with milk as long as I only consume a small amount.

[Ford]

rs182549CC
rs4988235GG
rs41380347AA

Me = RIP

[Annihilus]

rs182549CC
rs4988235GG
rs41380347AA

Me = RIP

I am same

[Mingle]

You can become lactose tolerant.

https://milkgenomics.org/article/training-your-body-to-digest-lactose/

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-microbiome-reverse-lactose-intolerance.html

The opposite can happen as well.

[Chris596]

I am AG as well. I'm fine with milk as long as I only consume a small amount.


You can become lactose tolerant.

https://milkgenomics.org/article/training-your-body-to-digest-lactose/

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-04-microbiome-reverse-lactose-intolerance.html

The opposite can happen as well.

Strange. I have some interesting alleles I guess (seriously).

[Turul Karom]

I know very few people who are lactose intolerant but they are certainly more ,,western'' than me. How was Kurultáj? I would love to visit it at least once in my life!

Western in looks? Or how so?

The friend I was there with looks very different from me as well. He's blond with blue eyes with a larger curved nose, face shape, he's a bit shorter, etc.

It was a great experience; three days of brotherhood like you'd only read of in a novel. I don't want to muck up your lactose thread too much, but as you asked I will tell you some about it.

The yurt of ancestors was massive and I took many photos, as usual. The line to get inside was almost an hour long. There had to be 200,000 people at least at the event. There were skulls and recreations of weapons as well as a real Hungarian burial grave. There were lots of paintings theorizing the Eurasian looks from the scientific results. The Hungarian Historical Archery association had a yurt there too and had a demonstration of bows and arrows and how they were made. They had an "assembly line" showing the entire process from raw materials to finished Hungarian bows, which you could also purchase. There were a lot of archery stands and events, including dances by women with bows and arrows while shooting them quite expertly.

It is a very family-friendly event and there were whole rows of things to do for children. There was a big foam castle for them to "attack", which was a nice touch lol. Pony rides were there too.

Lots of food from all over Hungary and some Eurasian dishes too. Lemonade was everywhere, which I love to drink. Paprika and pepper selling stands as well.

So many Turkic nations were there. Unfortunately, many don't know Hungarian (besides our shared Turkic words) at all but know some working English so we were able to communicate effectively, especially when I talked to the tour guides (and pointed a few things out to them even). I talked with many Anatolian Turkish who were thrilled to meet me and read some of my presentations. I know some Turkish military songs and sang it for them. TIKA organization filmed me singing and everyone else who knew the song joined in as well and we recorded on cellphones, though they filmed me first. We flew Hungarian flags and Turkish flags with a large banner that said "Our shared ancestors".

There were two Kyrgyz men who I spent a lot of time with as well. They had a yurt set up to show off their style of building as well as the colorful insides. We talked a lot and they said they feel very close to Hungarians. They asked for pictures with me and I said of course. Next to them was a huge Mongolian group with a big sign that said "We Welcome Our Family to Mongolia" and a picture of Genghis Khan. This was the first I saw the Mongolian delegation with such a sign and was very surprised because I am a student of history and am familiar with the Mongolian raids in Hungary as well as the Magyar-Cuman hero-king who drove them out, and I know Mongols don't usually see themselves as Turkic. But, they said they all felt great kinship with Hungarians and I was both surprised and humbled. They gave me a lot of watermelon slices and lemon drinks in one of their large tents and we talked (best we could) about our homes. I never thought so many would show up there there was a huge number of Mongolian dancers and even their children who ran around playing with Hungarian kids too.

We made Székely burial markers from wood and chisels, watched the Grand Turanian Parade of Nations on day two, sang songs late into the night. There were many wrestling events and some that were baranta performances. Lots of great music from all over Eurasia and constant concerts for those who wanted to watch. It was very hot, but I do well in temperature extremes so I was fine but there were a lot of heat-shade tents set up for people to relax from the heat, which many did. I also didn't wear sunblock but I already had a bit of a tan and did not get burned.

I randomly stumbled onto a drumming circle before leaving the event and they were playing one of the few songs I knew by heart (besides karasuu). It was this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoR-W03tw7s


I have so many stories I could tell. Maybe I could find some photos to send to you (or anyone else interested like Mr. G, etc) over PM. I am a personal person, as you can tell and don't like to post pics of me online or send them even over PM. I thought about making a thread about my time there last year as well on TA, but don't think there would be that much interest.

Anyway, I hope that was informative and will now post more on-topic unless you as more questions.

[Friedrich Ulrich]

I belive it comes to lacto-tolerant from Hunter Gatherers and Early Farmers sounds pretty proper

[Turul Karom]

I doubt only 20-40% of hungarians are lacto-tolerant. They’re most probably in the same range with the rest of europeans.
If 15% is the euro average and scandinavians+NWesterners are close to 0%, it means this region has higher lacto-intolerant people than the euro average. It might be up to 25-30%, maybe higher. Both of my parents are GG, which means is pretty common.

What makes you think that? All of the charts I have seen place Hungarians very low (20%) or middle (40%) for lactose tolerance. Romanians as well. Maybe your parents are unironically affected by steppe genetics from some group.


That is why people do stuff with milk so they can consume it, for example proper yoghurt (one that is allowed at least 12 hrs fermenting) has almost no lactose left.

Steppe Hungarians used to drink fermented milk in the form of kumis. It is still sold in Hungary today.

[Kökény]

I thought about making a thread about my time there last year as well on TA, but don't think there would be that much interest.

You should, I'm interested in it and I think I'm not the only one. Especially in the Szekely burial marker that you made.

[Finnish Swede]

Lactose tolerant and lived with cows my whole life.

There has been reading dogs for years now ...
https://i.media.fi/incoming/5746493-n.jpg/alternates/FREE_1440/5746493-n.jpg


Now in the country side .... the reading cows are coming :)

https://kirjastolehti.fi/images/2/2/1/3/2213/2213_1000x@2x.jpg

https://kirjastolehti.fi/images/2/2/1/4/2214/2214_2000x.jpg

[Turul Karom]

You should, I'm interested in it and I think I'm not the only one. Especially in the Szekely burial marker that you made.

Perhaps I will. I have hundreds of photos. I doubt there will be one this year because of the corona virus. Have you ever been?

[Benyzero]

rs1061325

Check this out . Do you have the Hunter Gatherer or the Farmer allele. The C = Farmer T= Hunter. This believed to have advantages in modern high carb diet. On the Contrary the other one is probably better on protein diet.

[Ford]

rs1061325

Check this out . Do you have the Hunter Gatherer or the Farmer allele. The C = Farmer T= Hunter. This believed to have advantages in modern high carb diet. On the Contrary the other one is probably better on protein diet.

I'm CT, but I prefer low carb diet.

[Benyzero]

Iam lactose intolerant AF.. I can't drink milk since I was ten without it messing with my guts, so I only pour a small amount in muesli usually. Cheese or joghurt is fine tbh.

[Benyzero]

I'm CT, but I prefer low carb diet.

Thats good, I have two C's. Probably my close ancestors was acclimated to an agricultural lifestyle here. :D

[PaleoEuropean]

I have zero intolerance to milk, I can eat like a pound of cheese.

[Kökény]

Perhaps I will. I have hundreds of photos. I doubt there will be one this year because of the corona virus. Have you ever been?

I haven't had the opportunity yet, since it's held in August and I'm in Transylvania during that month. But I plan to attend it at least once with my family.

[Mingle]

Perhaps I will. I have hundreds of photos. I doubt there will be one this year because of the corona virus. Have you ever been?

How common are people in the Kurultaj with no connection to Medieval Eurasian steppe nomads such as Poles, Balkanites, Brits, Italians, Germans, etc?

[Benyzero]

I'm CT, but I prefer low carb diet.

People without the C are more prone to develop diabetes while eating a lot of bad carbs. hiphotetically

[Luke35]

I am AG as well. I'm fine with milk as long as I only consume a small amount.

Ford listed these alleles as well, so you may be interested to check those for yourself:

rs182549
rs41380347

I am C/T for the first one.

A/A for the second (I presume this second one indicates intolerance for me).


So all of these markers might contribute to tolerance level in a cumulative way, but I'm not sure.

[Luke35]

Thats good, I have two C's. Probably my close ancestors was acclimated to an agricultural lifestyle here. :D

Interesting!

T/T here. Shamefully I eat too many carbs, but lots of protein too.

[Maintenance]

T/T

[Gründig]

I drink a glass of whole milk everyday.

[Chris596]

Western in looks? Or how so?

Anyway, I hope that was informative and will now post more on-topic unless you as more questions.

Wonderful! Thank you for all these useful information! It's just so heart-warming to know/see that people get together by something profound, something that ties together nations. By western, I obviously meant the looks too, but here I mainly referred to genetics (they are more likely to be lactose tolerant). German grandparents, half German parents, etc, many people (especially in Budapest as well).

[Chris596]

Wow so many replies in just a few hours, thank you everyone.

[mitalit]

https://i.gyazo.com/86ce52bd4cd35d4fc7101afb58127b46.png

https://i.gyazo.com/f1ba1bec8d79c7f9ee2bb77e2eebdec4.png

https://i.gyazo.com/aa910bfc82d1eb38e85f99b5bd835003.png

[Kaspias]

Ford listed these alleles as well, so you may be interested to check those for yourself:

rs182549
rs41380347

I am C/T for the first one.

A/A for the second (I presume this second one indicates intolerance for me).


So all of these markers might contribute to tolerance level in a cumulative way, but I'm not sure.

rs1061325 C/T
rs41380347 A/A

[Mingle]

I don't really think that being 0-3% East Asian is the reason any Hungarians (or anyone) are lactose intolerant by the way. Based on this map, Hungary is similar to lactose intolerance to Southern Europe (including the Balkans) and the Baltics/Poland:

https://www.popsci.com/resizer/sTBTCHo5qtCzc_2mo8F-TUVT_xU=/525x406/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bonnier.s3.amazonaws.com/public/3XOVN7CHVO5YLJ4O6KD4YOXGEA.jpg

Honestly, 0-3% is insignificant. And attributing your lactose intolerance to that doesn't make much sense.

[Turul Karom]

rs1061325

Check this out . Do you have the Hunter Gatherer or the Farmer allele. The C = Farmer T= Hunter. This believed to have advantages in modern high carb diet. On the Contrary the other one is probably better on protein diet.



Iam lactose intolerant AF.. I can't drink milk since I was ten without it messing with my guts, so I only pour a small amount in muesli usually. Cheese or joghurt is fine tbh.


I have two C's. Probably my close ancestors was acclimated to an agricultural lifestyle here. :D

I am GG for lactose tolerance and I am TT for the gene that you asked about. I don't know what that means for my diet as I eat plenty of carbs and do fine lol. I like to make a lot of high-protein breads though with high levels of pure wheat gluten.


I haven't had the opportunity yet, since it's held in August and I'm in Transylvania during that month. But I plan to attend it at least once with my family.

It is very near the border, so unless you live very southwest then I think it won't be a very long trip for you at all.

[Chris596]

I don't really think that being 0-3% East Asian is the reason any Hungarians (or anyone) are lactose intolerant by the way. Based on this map, Hungary is similar to lactose intolerance to Southern Europe (including the Balkans) and the Baltics/Poland:

Honestly, 0-3% is insignificant. And attributing your lactose intolerance to that doesn't make much sense.

You are right, but where else could it have come from? From my Balkan ancestry? (higher lactose intolerance in Southeastern Europe). That's the last possible explanation in my case. What about those people who don't have ancestors from the Balkans at all?

[Adamm]

I'm rs4988235 GG which means intolerant, but I eat cheese on a daily basis and drink milk and butter milk regularly + yogurt (a lot) and it doesn't affect me.

[Chris596]

I'm rs4988235 GG which means intolerant, but I eat cheese on a daily basis and drink milk and butter milk regularly + yogurt (a lot) and it doesn't affect me.

That's good. Do you have Eastern European ancestors?

[Seya]

rs1061325 C/T
rs41380347 A/A

what does this AA means?

[Adamm]

That's good. Do you have Eastern European ancestors?

No I'm fully African.

[HelloGuys]

I am Lactose Tolerant and I think all my family naturally is as well. I really like all Diary products a lot tbh, specially cheese and Vanilla/Oreo Ice cream. My mom on the other hand really loves it as well but for some reason she developed an intolerance to Lactose wayyyyy later in her life, in her 40s to be exact, so that can happen as well I guess.

I love cheese and chocolate ice-cream :D

Yeah, same as your family case: my mom is intolerant since she was 40 years old, and my dad was intolerant when he was 50

But the funny fact is that 3 of my 4 grand-parents are stll tolerant of the lactose; just 1 grandpa is intolerant since he was around 50 years old

[Luke35]

I like to make a lot of high-protein breads though with high levels of pure wheat gluten.

Good thing you're not gluten intolerant haha!

[Turul Karom]

How common are people in the Kurultaj with no connection to Medieval Eurasian steppe nomads such as Poles, Balkanites, Brits, Italians, Germans, etc?

I have seen barely any. Barely. Mostly if they were tourists or otherwise married to a Turkish person or a Hungarian and were participating with their Turanid spouse. I have seen some online comments from Polish who wish they had a more Turanian background.


Ford listed these alleles as well, so you may be interested to check those for yourself:

rs182549
rs41380347

I am C/T for the first one.

A/A for the second (I presume this second one indicates intolerance for me).


So all of these markers might contribute to tolerance level in a cumulative way, but I'm not sure.

I thought you were A/G for milk?


Interesting!

T/T here. Shamefully I eat too many carbs, but lots of protein too.

TT bros.

https://i.imgur.com/ZVPU3GI.jpg


Wonderful! Thank you for all these useful information! It's just so heart-warming to know/see that people get together by something profound, something that ties together nations. By western, I obviously meant the looks too, but here I mainly referred to genetics (they are more likely to be lactose tolerant). German grandparents, half German parents, etc, many people (especially in Budapest as well).

It is truly a great thing that we Hungarians have the privilege to host.

Apparently I am German-shifted according to Eurogenes. But I don't like using Eurogenes because by default it assumes that you are not of a steppe background imo when giving results. I like other calculators more that also keep updating.

Still, I discovered today I am GG for dairy anyway.


Wow so many replies in just a few hours, thank you everyone.

It's because you're a fun person to talk with.

[hmaohma78]

I am lactoste tolerant. I can easily consume dairy products like nothing.

[Mixdguy17]

I love cheese and chocolate ice-cream :D

Yeah, same as your family case: my mom is intolerant since she was 40 years old, and my dad was intolerant when he was 50

But the funny fact is that 3 of my 4 grand-parents are stll tolerant of the lactose; just 1 grandpa is intolerant since he was around 50 years old

Diary rules lol. Yeah that is so weird, and we both have pretty similar genetics, so I wonder if maybe its something in our ethnicity ? That is very interesting that it also happened to your mom. My dad is still on his 40s so lets see what happens when h gets into his 50s, but so far he's still tolerant as well as my 4 grandparents, so far for my uncle and aunts all tolerant as well, I wonder what causes it :confused:

[HelloGuys]

I'm rs4988235 GG which means intolerant, but I eat cheese on a daily basis and drink milk and butter milk regularly + yogurt (a lot) and it doesn't affect me.

Maybe in a few decades more, you will be/become intolerant of the lactose as many persons that I know

[Turul Karom]

You are right, but where else could it have come from? From my Balkan ancestry? (higher lactose intolerance in Southeastern Europe). That's the last possible explanation in my case. What about those people who don't have ancestors from the Balkans at all?

There are more than "East Asian" genetics in the Conquering Hungarians, and these people of Central Asia were also likely to be lactose intolerant. Don't ever buy into the super East Asian meme even if you and I have single-digit % of it in our DNA. Central Asia is huge so don't think that we are somehow Chinese.

The real secret is, more people want to just bury their own possible Turkic relations rather than even acknowledge it in others. Therefore, all "Asian" must be "Sinic" or "Costal".

[Luke35]

I thought you were A/G for milk?

Yes A/G for milk.

Those other two markers I checked are also associated with lactose digestion, if I read Ford's post correctly. I am A/A for the one, which Ford's post seemed to imply lactose intolerance.

What do you get for those 2 markers I listed?

[HelloGuys]

Diary rules lol. Yeah that is so weird, and we both have pretty similar genetics, so I wonder if maybe its something in our ethnicity ? That is very interesting that it also happened to your mom. My dad is still on his 40s so lets see what happens when h gets into his 50s, but so far he's still tolerant as well as my 4 grandparents, so far for my uncle and aunts all tolerant as well, I wonder what causes it :confused:

Yeah; my aunts and uncles still are tolerant lol

It's because our European ancestry (Your spanish and italian) (and my spanish ancestry)...pure amerindians have lactose intolerance, as well asians and many africans (I heard/read one time that some tribes have genes of lactase tolerance)

[Turul Karom]

Good thing you're not gluten intolerant haha!

Haha, for sure. I am totally not gluten intolerant.

You should look into the amount of protein per gram when compared with calories of vital wheat gluten. It's huge. Compare 100 kcal of wheat gluten with 100 kcal of red meat or chicken and prepare to be amazed.

Best part is cooked wheat gluten is easy to add into anything (such as Hungarian soups) or pack as a loaf and eat in town or in the countryside.

[Mingle]

You are right, but where else could it have come from? From my Balkan ancestry? (higher lactose intolerance in Southeastern Europe). That's the last possible explanation in my case. What about those people who don't have ancestors from the Balkans at all?

If I had to say, some southern source related to neolithic farmers or Natufians. WHG may play a role too. Not sure though. It could've just occurred in a few different places and spread from there. There seem to be a few lactose tolerant hotspots (Central Arabia, Sindh, middle West Africa, etc) and then the lactose tolerance being more common in areas closer to it. Its interesting that Finns have much more East Asian DNA than Hungarians/South Euros, but are more likely to be lactose tolerant. I guess its because Finns have much more Steppe and Steppe ancestry is associated with lactose tolerance and that evens it out a bit.

[Morena]

I'm AG, lactose tolerant.

[Turul Karom]

rs1061325 C/T
rs41380347 A/A

CC
AA

What do these mean?


Yes A/G for milk.

Those other two markers I checked are also associated with lactose digestion, if I read Ford's post correctly. I am A/A for the one, which Ford's post seemed to imply lactose intolerance.

What do you get for those 2 markers I listed?

I get CC for the first, and AA for the second. I'm not sure what these two are or how they impact lactose tolerance or the % of various peoples around the world that score what in each.

[Mingle]

There are more than "East Asian" genetics in the Conquering Hungarians, and these people of Central Asia were also likely to be lactose intolerant. Don't ever buy into the super East Asian meme even if you and I have single-digit % of it in our DNA. Central Asia is huge so don't think that we are somehow Chinese.

The real secret is, more people want to just bury their own possible Turkic relations rather than even acknowledge it in others. Therefore, all "Asian" must be "Sinic" or "Costal".

Nobody said Old Hungarians/Turks were purely East Asian. But it seemed like the OP was attributing his lactose intolerance to the East Asian aspect of their ancestry. So I was just clarifying why its not realistic. Though a similar line of reasoning applies to your claim of it coming from Medieval Steppe nomads. If Old Hungarian/Turkic ancestry is the reason why some Hungarians are lactose intolerant, then you should have a greater rate of lactose intolerance than Europeans with no Turkic ancestry such as Spaniards, Balkanites, Italians, South French, etc. So its probably from a different source.

[Benyzero]

rs41380347 ... for this snp 99% of people are AA lol. I just checked

[Turul Karom]

Its interesting that Finns have much more East Asian DNA than Hungarians/South Euros, but are more likely to be lactose tolerant. I guess its because Finns have much more Steppe and Steppe ancestry is associated with lactose tolerance and that evens it out a bit.

But why? Why do you assume that Hungarians would have such high East Asian? Even the Asena clan was known for not looking like the Chinese and escaped Chinese bondage into the mountains and then further into Central Asia.

Also steppe ancestry cannot be lactose tolerance because steppe cultures must ferment their milk to remove lactose. Therefore, although milk consumption is associated with steppe culture (as your food source was able to move with you), the lactose tolerance is not.

[Hashoeva]

according to 23andme I am tolerant but I have been lactose intolerance all my life. I dont have any asian ancestry. only later in my life I really started to develop the symptoms. for example I get really a lot of stomach pain if I consume mostly products with milk in a day. other symptoms I get is reddish spots or also called acne mostly on my back and some in face and other parts of the body. other symptom is my nose will get closed if I consume milk products and I feel like I am short on breath and sometimes I feel like I will pass out because its difficult to breath even when I breath from my mouth, it feels like I cant get enough air in my lungs.

but when I was a child I only had little symptoms like acne but now when I got older it became worse. but the problem is that a lot of products nowedays has milk ingredients. its really difficult to find products without any milk ingredients. but I now choose products with little milk ingredients mixed with products which dont have any of it. and it is going good now. I can consume products with milk but not a lot anymore, just little and I can tolerate it .

[Mingle]

But why? Why do you assume that Hungarians would have such high East Asian? Even the Asena clan was known for not looking like the Chinese and escaped Chinese bondage into the mountains and then further into Central Asia.

I don't think it was super high, but probably way higher than any modern European population.


Also steppe ancestry cannot be lactose tolerance because steppe cultures must ferment their milk to remove lactose. Therefore, although milk consumption is associated with steppe culture (as your food source was able to move with you), the lactose tolerance is not.

I was referring to the EHG aspect of their Steppe ancestry. It seems the regions with the most EHG in Europe have the most lactose tolerance. Or its possible that neolithic ancestral groups don't play a huge role in this.

[Turul Karom]

Though a similar line of reasoning applies to your claim of it coming from Medieval Steppe nomads. If Old Hungarian/Turkic ancestry is the reason why some Hungarians are lactose intolerant, then you should have a greater rate of lactose intolerance than Europeans with no Turkic ancestry such as Spaniards, Balkanites, Italians, South French, etc. So its probably from a different source.

Isn't one of the argument points you (and others) make is that the Turkic population who conquered the basin were only half or less of the Magyar horde? Therefore with resettlement would it not make sense? Plus didn't you just say that steppe ancestry is associated with lactose tolerance in an earlier post?

Regardless, Hungary mirrors neighbors yet with non-negligible steppe characteristics. It's the problem of the neighbors if they don't want to see their own steppe heritage as well. One such who embraces his ancestry is Impaler, who sees his steppe heritage and embraces it. He is always a pleasure to talk with about the topic.

[Kaspias]

what does this AA means?

lactose persistence

[Turul Karom]

according to 23andme I am tolerant but I have been lactose intolerance all my life. I dont have any asian ancestry. only later in my life I really started to develop the symptoms. for example I get really a lot of stomach pain if I consume mostly products with milk in a day. other symptoms I get is reddish spots or also called acne mostly on my back and some in face and other parts of the body. other symptom is my nose will get closed if I consume milk products and I feel like I am short on breath and sometimes I feel like I will pass out because its difficult to breath even when I breath from my mouth, it feels like I cant get enough air in my lungs.

but when I was a child I only had little symptoms like acne but now when I got older it became worse. but the problem is that a lot of products nowedays has milk ingredients. its really difficult to find products without any milk ingredients. but I now choose products with little milk ingredients mixed with products which dont have any of it. and it is going good now. I can consume products with milk but not a lot anymore, just little and I can tolerate it .

Lactose isn't even good for you for the most part anyway. It is a recent evolutionary thing (in the context of humans being "things" on earth) and it still has a lot of kinks in the code for many people. Lactose causes high levels of inflammation and causes the body to make more mucus. Mucus coats parts of the throat and lungs, and you might be having a more extreme mucus reaction. Dairy is also linked to acne.

[Mingle]

Isn't one of the argument points you (and others) make is that the Turkic population who conquered the basin were only half or less of the Magyar horde? Therefore with resettlement would it not make sense? Plus didn't you just say that steppe ancestry is associated with lactose tolerance in an earlier post?

Regardless, Hungary mirrors neighbors yet with non-negligible steppe characteristics. It's the problem of the neighbors if they don't want to see their own steppe heritage as well. One such who embraces his ancestry is Impaler, who sees his steppe heritage and embraces it. He is always a pleasure to talk with about the topic.

It wasn't my intention to discuss how much conqueror DNA you guys have. It can be 0% or 20%. But it doesn't have any correlation with being lactose intolerant since your LI levels are similar to South Euros who have 0 Turkic.

In an earlier post, I was referring to PIE Steppe rather than medieval Turkic steppe.

[Turul Karom]

I don't think there is a gene for capsaicin tolerance.


By the way, I just researched it and found one! I will start a new thread about it and cross-link; I'd love to see how Hungarians score.

[Annihilus]

according to 23andme I am tolerant but I have been lactose intolerance all my life. I dont have any asian ancestry. only later in my life I really started to develop the symptoms. for example I get really a lot of stomach pain if I consume mostly products with milk in a day. other symptoms I get is reddish spots or also called acne mostly on my back and some in face and other parts of the body. other symptom is my nose will get closed if I consume milk products and I feel like I am short on breath and sometimes I feel like I will pass out because its difficult to breath even when I breath from my mouth, it feels like I cant get enough air in my lungs.

but when I was a child I only had little symptoms like acne but now when I got older it became worse. but the problem is that a lot of products nowedays has milk ingredients. its really difficult to find products without any milk ingredients. but I now choose products with little milk ingredients mixed with products which dont have any of it. and it is going good now. I can consume products with milk but not a lot anymore, just little and I can tolerate it .

That sounds like a milk allergy.

[Turul Karom]

Do you have spicy food tolerance genes?

You can compare here! Looking forward to all posts, especially those of fellow Hungarians!

Thank you to Chris and Seya for the inspiration to go hunting for research!

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324456-Do-You-Have-Spicy-Food-Capsaicin-Tolerence-Genes-Check-Here!&p=6733914#post6733914

[yowasgeht]

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[Chris596]

https://i.imgur.com/TBaOsvE.png

Welcome to the clan haha :clap:

And do you still consume dairy (milk for example?)

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm TT as is all my family tested. The Irish have one of the highest percentages of lactose tolerance in the world. My mother was from a long line of dairy farmers so I guess being lactose intolerant in the past would have been very detrimental. Also the Irish survived on potatoes and buttermilk along with milk for generations.

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[yowasgeht]

Welcome to the clan haha :clap:

And do you still consume dairy (milk for example?)

But it says that im more likely to be lactose tolerant and digest milk :eek:

[Chris596]

But it says that im more likely to be lactose tolerant and digest milk :eek:

I was just curious :P Sometimes the opposite can happen, you know.

[Pedro Ruben]

I have Lactose intolerance. Maybe because of that: rs4988235 GG

[Chris596]

I have Lactose intolerance. Maybe because of that: rs4988235 GG

Yes, this is the allele responsible for lactose tolerance/intolerance. The GG variant means you're also intolerant.

[Benyzero]

Yes, this is the allele responsible for lactose tolerance/intolerance. The GG variant means you're also intolerant.

Just a little correction, it makes you sensitive but not intolerant. The lactase enzyme still available in the guts, just much less effective, therefore makes one prone to be intolerant.

[Finnish Swede]

If I will continue our farm/farming ... I would love have mini scale milk processing plant ... to not to produce and sell small amount of A2 organic milk (cows) only, but also try to do cheeses as well (cows & goats).

[InfamousAngel99]

DNA traits from various websites suggest that I am, and I would not be surprised. My mom started becoming more and more lactose intolerant over the past few years, and her father was the same way towards his later years. Their levels of intolerance aren't too severe, but they experience breakouts, they have gas, and their stomach mildly hurts.

Oh, and my maternal grandfather and mother are primarily Norwegian, just for a bit of background.

[Lousianaboy]

curiously grand part of Mexicans are lactose intolerant

[SharpFork]

At what age does lactose intolerance set in exactly?

[Chris596]

At what age does lactose intolerance set in exactly?

As far as I know it differs for each and every single person. My dad hasn’t been drinking milk since he was a kid. In my case the symptoms have started to get worse in the last one / one and a half year. It can be said that as someone gets older, intolerance becomes more severe (once again, there are exceptions of course)

[oszkar07]

Im apparently not but my Hungarian Grandmother was lactose intolerant.

[Ranger0075]

Lactose Intolerance is like Baldness
Most men get it around 30s, many during your 20s but there those who get it during your teenagers. And those lucky who will never get bald

[Roy]

It's GG. What does it mean?

I am G/G for the same marker and I have digestive issues after drinking milk too.