Do Uralics and NE Euros have the least Dzudzuana and Basal Eurasian among modern West Eurasians?

[Maguzanci]

And how much do they have? Are there West Eurasians that have lower Dzudzuana and Basal Eurasian admix than them?

[Synapsid]

And how much do they have? Are there West Eurasians that have lower Dzudzuana and Basal Eurasian admix than them?

They have low basal, and are around 33% farmer related, so they have I am guessing 5% Basal Eurasian. So yes, they are a pred. W. Eurasian population with the lowest steppe admixture.

[Maguzanci]

They have low basal, and are around 33% farmer related, so they have I am guessing 5% Basal Eurasian. So yes, they are a pred. W. Eurasian population with the lowest steppe admixture.

Is the 33% figure for the NE Euros? I thought Uralics have lower farmer related than that?

[Maintenance]

What calcs are used to see that?

[Konstantinos]

I havent's seen results of Kalmyks, but if they are pure descendants of Mongols they would be my pick.

[Leto]

I havent's seen results of Kalmyks, but if they are pure descendants of Mongols they would be my pick.
They're not West Eurasian. About 80% EE. They came from Inner Asia to what is now Kalmykia around 400 years ago.

[Bender1999]

I havent's seen results of Kalmyks, but if they are pure descendants of Mongols they would be my pick.

I have seen here once a result of one, i think it was nearly 100% East Eurasian.

[Synapsid]

Is the 33% figure for the NE Euros? I thought Uralics have lower farmer related than that?

Yes, for finns

[Synapsid]

They're not West Eurasian. About 80% EE. They came from Inner Asia to what is now Kalmykia around 400 years ago.

Yes, they were escaping the Dzungarian genocide. If it were not for the Qing, Xinjiang would be mostly like inner mongolia (Mongol+ Northern Han influence)

[Synapsid]

Is the 33% figure for the NE Euros? I thought Uralics have lower farmer related than that?

Oops I mean lowest farmer population, not steppe

[Maguzanci]

Yes, for finns

So 33% is for Finns? How about Estonians or Latvians? Is this from formal stats?

I did some runs where Saamis have around 15% while Udmurt have closer to 20% Farmer-related (its G25 tho).

[Synapsid]

So 33% is for Finns? How about Estonians or Latvians? Is this from formal stats?

I did some runs where Saamis have around 15% while Udmurt have closer to 20% Farmer-related (its G25 tho).

Belarussians have high farmer ancestry

[Maguzanci]

Belarussians have high farmer ancestry

How much farmer do Saamis, Udmurts, Maris have? 14 to almost 20%?

[Synapsid]

So 33% is for Finns? How about Estonians or Latvians? Is this from formal stats?

I did some runs where Saamis have around 15% while Udmurt have closer to 20% Farmer-related (its G25 tho).

Lithuanian_PA:LTG is around 42 percent farmer (2% higher than) belarussia, but has a higher EHG and WHG component than belarussia, and belarussia has 3% more CHG than lithuania

[Maguzanci]

Belarussians have high farmer ancestry

Off topic, can you explain this please?: do you know why Amerindians who are around 23-30% Caucasoid (from their 30-40% ANE) which is similar amounts to some Central Asians like Altaians, Khakass, many Kyrgyz, plot further away from the West Eurasian megacluster than the latter group (Central Asians) and closer to East Eurasian megacluster in many PCAs (which has only 3 components: East, West Eurasia and Africa)?

Like why Amerindians don't plot with these Central Asians if they have similar proportions of ENA and West Eurasian ancestries but further right away from them and closer to the East Eurasia mega-grouping? Is this because of extreme genetic drift in Native Americans?

[Synapsid]

Off topic, can you explain this please?: do you know why Amerindians who are around 23-30% Caucasoid (from their 30-40% ANE) which is similar amounts to some Central Asians like Altaians, Khakass, many Kyrgyz, plot further away from the West Eurasian megacluster than the latter group (Central Asians) and closer to East Eurasian megacluster in many PCAs (which has only 3 components: East, West Eurasia and Africa)?

Like why Amerindians don't plot with these Central Asians if they have similar proportions of ENA and West Eurasian ancestries but further right away from them and closer to the East Eurasia mega-grouping? Is this because of extreme genetic drift in Native Americans?

Yes, extreme bottleneck at beringia, remember that its an arctic region at the height of the last ice age. I opened a new thread about it

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324804-A-new-old-link-between-Siberia-Steppe-and-America&p=6741050#post6741050

[Maguzanci]

Yes, extreme bottleneck at beringia, remember that its an arctic region at the height of the last ice age. I opened a new thread about it

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324804-A-new-old-link-between-Siberia-Steppe-and-America&p=6741050#post6741050

So if extreme bottleneck and genetic drift doesn't happen, Amerindians would plot in the same spots as some Central Asians (Altaians, Khakass, many Kyrgyz) and some Siberians like Kets on East Eurasia-West Eurasia-Africa PCAs?

[Synapsid]

So if extreme bottleneck and genetic drift doesn't happen, Amerindians would plot in the same spots as some Central Asians (Altaians, Khakass, many Kyrgyz) and some Siberians like Kets on East Eurasia-West Eurasia-Africa PCAs?

It depend on calculator, they should fit right next the kets. Kets are extremely close to Amerids IMO

[Konstantinos]

They're not West Eurasian. About 80% EE. They came from Inner Asia to what is now Kalmykia around 400 years ago.

Since they're now settled in Europe and even have their own republic I would consider them natives here. If that's the case I don't think anyone beats them.

[Maguzanci]

It depend on calculator, they should fit right next the kets. Kets are extremely close to Amerids IMO

Well not sure what calculator, but the ones were in Global 25 PCA and Global K10. Ah ok. Don't Ket have more ANE than Amerinds?

I though they would also fit close to Altaians, Khakass or even some Kyrgyz as they have similar percentages of West Eurasian ancestry.

[Synapsid]

Well not sure what calculator, but the ones were in Global 25 PCA and Global K10. Ah ok. Don't Ket have more ANE than Amerinds?

I though they would also fit close to Altaians, Khakass or even some Kyrgyz as they have similar percentages of West Eurasian ancestry.

Yes, but Altaians, Khakass and Kyrgyz has that farmer-basal stuff that kets and Amerids lack, not all W. Eurasian ancestry is the same

[Daos777]

Lithuanian_PA:LTG is around 42 percent farmer (2% higher than) belarussia, but has a higher EHG and WHG component than belarussia, and belarussia has 3% more CHG than lithuania

That seems really high, where would that place England or Germany like 60-65 percent farmer?


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[Synapsid]

That seems really high, where would that place England or Germany like 60-65 percent farmer?


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Bell Beaker_England was 39% Barcin_N/Farmer, modern English seem to be 49%, 10% higher than belarussians.

[Maguzanci]

Yes, but Altaians, Khakass and Kyrgyz has that farmer-basal stuff that kets and Amerids lack, not all W. Eurasian ancestry is the same

What other populations are genetically closest to Amerindians besides Kets? Selkups, Nenets, Khanty, Mansi?

[Maguzanci]

Bell Beaker_England was 39% Barcin_N/Farmer, modern English seem to be 49%, 10% higher than belarussians.

Woah thats high. How much Farmer would Saami and Uralics like Udmurt, Mari have according to your estimation?

[Synapsid]

What other populations are genetically closest to Amerindians besides Kets? Selkups, Nenets, Khanty, Mansi?

Selkups, followed by more EE shifted Western Siberian Uralics once you factor basal/farmer ancestry in them.

[Maguzanci]

Selkups, followed by more EE shifted Western Siberian Uralics once you factor basal/farmer ancestry in them.

Selkups and these Western Siberian Uralics would still be overall genetically closer to Native Americans than Central Asians such as Altaians, Khakass, Kyrgyz are due to the farmer basal ancestry in the latter?

[Synapsid]

Woah thats high. How much Farmer would Saami and Uralics like Udmurt, Mari have according to your estimation?

Its depends on which Saami population, forest saami, Nothern Saami etc. The one I tested now it 22% Farmer, 52% EHG, 16% Devil Gates. For the Udmurt, I got similar results; 18% Farmer, 49% EHG, 19% Devil Gates, but the thing distinguishes them from Saami is the higher level of CHG, around 12% in Udmart compared mere 5% in Saami. I'd imagine Mari's to be similar to Udmurts in results

[Synapsid]

Selkups and these Western Siberian Uralics would still be overall genetically closer to Native Americans than Central Asians such as Altaians, Khakass, Kyrgyz are due to the farmer basal ancestry in the latter?

Yes their Iran_N/BMAC is highter in the latter, which is basal rich. But the EE part in Native similar to Central Asians. The Botai people, an extinct population in Kazakhstan who were the first to domesticate the Horse, are genetically close to Natives.

[Maguzanci]

Its depends on which Saami population, forest saami, Nothern Saami etc. The one I tested now it 22% Farmer, 52% EHG, 16% Devil Gates. For the Udmurt, I got similar results; 18% Farmer, 49% EHG, 19% Devil Gates, but the thing distinguishes them from Saami is the higher level of CHG, around 12% in Udmart compared mere 5% in Saami. I'd imagine Mari's to be similar to Udmurts in results

The one that got 22% Farmer was Northern or Forest Saami? What is the lowest amount of Farmer you have seen for Saami, Udmurt or other Uralics?

[Maguzanci]

Yes their Iran_N/BMAC is highter in the latter, which is basal rich. But the EE part in Native similar to Central Asians. The Botai people, an extinct population in Kazakhstan who were the first to domesticate the Horse, are genetically close to Natives.

Really? Botai are also mostly Devil_Gate+ANE?

[Synapsid]

Really? Botai are also mostly Devil_Gate+ANE?

Botai was more Western shifted. They were WSHG (EHG+futher ANE+small Asian) + some NE Asians. On 25nmonte, they are modelled as 32% Amerid/Kolyma_Meso and 64.2 EHG. Once I removed Kolyma_meso, I got 20-25% Devil Gates + 75% EHG

[Lemminkäinen]

Basal Eurasian is not same as EEF, not even close. Basal Eurasians were those hunter gatherers who lived 100000 years ago in Near East. Some populations in Near East still carry those genes and during ancient times brought them to South Europe, slthough the main route of Badal Eurasian went to Iran. European farmers were descendants of Anatolian farmers and had 40% Basal Eurasian while Caucasian Hunter Gatherers had it 60%. So there is no way to predict EEF ancestry by Basal Eurasian.

[Immanenz]

Basal Eurasian is not same as EEF, not even close. Basal Eurasians were those hunter gatherers who lived 100000 years ago in Near East. Some populations in Near East still carry those genes and during ancient times brought them to South Europe, slthough the main route of Badal Eurasian went to Iran. European farmers were descendants of Anatolian farmers and had 40% Basal Eurasian while Caucasian Hunter Gatherers had it 60%. So there is no way to predict EEF ancestry by Basal Eurasian.

Btw how much do Finns score on CHG ? Any data in this?

[Lemminkäinen]

Btw how much do Finns score on CHG ? Any data in this?

I don't know and don't believe in any straight CHG admixture. Steppe holds some CHG.