My true ancestry do we agree that it is not at all reliable?

[Kerem_turc]

every time the results change it is so not credible to have an estimate of its ancient genes

[TheMaestro]

Yes.... and I said it before anyone paying for this website looses like -50 IQ.

[JamesBond007]

Yes.... and I said it before anyone paying for this website looses like -50 IQ.

It depends on how rich you are and there are different levels of payment. For instance, footman is $37 ($37 dollars is nothing to a rich man) bucks for lifetime membership so you don't have to keep uploading your dna with different accounts and there are different features of the website besides matching to some bullshit ancient sample like a king or something so as long as you don't believe everything on the website. I'm smart enough to know what is true on the website and what is bullshit. For instance, this is better than AncestryDNA and G25 in it's own kind of way-- it's the only thing that shows my Ancestry from Alsace-Lorraine e.g. Merovingian and Frankish and most of my ancestry is from the British isles :

https://i.postimg.cc/7YL3zn6v/image-py.jpg

[TheMaestro]

It depends on how rich you are and there are different levels of payment. For instance, footman is $37 ($37 dollars is nothing to a rich man) bucks for lifetime membership so you don't have to keep uploading your dna with different accounts and there are different features of the website besides matching to some bullshit ancient sample like a king or something so as long as you don't believe everything on the website. I'm smart enough to know what is true on the website and what is bullshit. For instance, this is better than AncestryDNA and G25 in it's own kind of way-- it's the only thing that shows my Ancestry from Alsace-Lorraine e.g. Merovingian and Frankish and most of my ancestry is from the British isles :



You just proved that you are really stupid, you could buy yourself a decent dinner rather then spending money on this website which just uses gedmatch calculator where they substitute modern populations for the ancient ones, hahahaahaha dude, I really look down on people really paying for this shit, copybond007

[Coastal Elite]

It's great marketing because people naturally want to associate themselves with these historic groups like Vikings, Saxons, Romans, Franks, etc. It plays into their fantasies.

[JamesBond007]

You just proved that you are really stupid, you could buy yourself a decent dinner rather then spending money on this website which just uses gedmatch calculator where they substitute modern populations for the ancient ones, hahahaahaha dude, I really look down on people really paying for this shit, copybond007

Wrong that map in particular did not use GEDmatch calculator you talking about a different feature. G25 is mentally retarded compared to that map. For instance check out what G25 says about me :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3584% / 0.02358361
79.6 Norwegian
16.4 Spanish_Soria
2.0 Kubachinian
0.8 Biaka
0.8 Tajik_Shugnan
0.4 Kosipe

[Chris596]

I don't know, most of my matches are Hungarian conquerors, so if it's not fake then I guess it's accurate enough for me. And I certainly believe that the conquering of the Carpathian basin is not a myth. Of course there has been plenty of mixing over the centuries with the local populations which has been inevitable. And my own DNA is the proof for this one (mostly Southeastern European, a little Germanic and Central-East Asian).

[TheMaestro]

Wrong that map in particular did not use GEDmatch calculator you talking about a different feature. G25 is mentally retarded compared to that map. For instance check out what G25 says about me :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3584% / 0.02358361
79.6 Norwegian
16.4 Spanish_Soria
2.0 Kubachinian
0.8 Biaka
0.8 Tajik_Shugnan
0.4 Kosipe

If you didn't understand my statement don't quote me, you believe mytrueancestry has DNA database of ancient ethnics? With fucking high school project looking website, yeah.

[JamesBond007]

I don't know, most of my matches are Hungarian conquerors, so if it's not fake then I guess it's accurate enough for me. And I certainly believe that the conquering of the Carpathian basin is not a myth. Of course there has been plenty of mixing over the centuries with the local populations which has been inevitable. And my own DNA is the proof for this one (mostly Southeastern European, a little Germanic and Central-East Asian).

Dude, G25 is saying I'm mostly Norwegian and Spanish meanwhile I'm about 75% British isles and 25% German from Alsace-Lorraine. It's clear that this map is superior to G25 :

https://i.postimg.cc/7YL3zn6v/image-py.jpg

[Chris596]

Dude, G25 is saying I'm mostly Norwegian and Spanish meanwhile I'm about 75% British isles and 25% German from Alsace-Lorraine. It's clear that this map is superior to G25 :


That's good. I don't have G25 coordinates specifically, but Vahaduo sometimes tells me weird things as well (for example that I'm closer to a French than to a Croat). I also believe that this website is quite accurate and well made. But once again, it can't be accurate for everybody else I guess.

This is my map from the Middle Ages:

https://i.imgur.com/VcVHIlz.png

[Daos777]

Wrong that map in particular did not use GEDmatch calculator you talking about a different feature. G25 is mentally retarded compared to that map. For instance check out what G25 says about me :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.3584% / 0.02358361
79.6Norwegian
16.4Spanish_Soria
2.0Kubachinian
0.8Biaka
0.8Tajik_Shugnan
0.4Kosipe

That’s because G25 uses coordinates to place you on a 2D plot, it doesn’t understand these labels placed on the coordinates. So it will give you the overly northern component Norwegian and then the overly southern component Spanish to bring you south into the British zone.

G25 results mean much more when you actually view these on a plot imo.


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[JamesBond007]

Actually, there are two PCA charts made from Eurogenes K15. One for free made by the Frenchman Tolan and one made by MyTrueAncestry. The one made by MyTrueAncestry is superior to the free one made by Tolan. I can post the images if you want.

[JamesBond007]

That’s because G25 uses coordinates to place you on a 2D plot, it doesn’t understand these labels placed on the coordinates. So it will give you the overly northern component Norwegian and then the overly southern component Spanish to bring you south into the British zone.

G25 results mean much more when you actually view these on a plot imo.


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To be fair G25 is meant to be used on a PCA chart and it does give me decent results with this (it says I'm Scottish or Irish more or less but without the PCA it puts me closest to Dutch or Norwegian). :

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#NorthEurope


However , most people on forums are too stupid to know it is meant for a PCA chart. AND the PCA chart had to be made by someone else to be meaningful for me because you have to be some kind of autist to set it up from the spreadsheets available in otherwords the default availabe spreadsheets are not useful so that is why it sucks.

[JamesBond007]

Anyway,

1.)TheMaestro says I'm stupid for paying for it.

2.) I can easily prove I'm not stupid for paying for it.

Here is the free version of the Eurogenes K15 PCA chart :

https://i.postimg.cc/430QFnx3/me-zpsqtdovtwj.jpg

My True Ancestry's version :


https://i.postimg.cc/GhBrZ5Kh/me.jpg

[JamesBond007]

^ Blaw ! How do you like me now with my superior 125 IQ The Maestro ?

[Benyzero]

It is less good for people of heterogenous background, It is fine for me tbh, my results makes sense. They charge you very much for the highest upgrades tho, that is simply too much to pay for it.

[SUPREEEEEME]

I'd take MTA with a grain of salt. Based off the Facebook group, most don't know how to interpret the results - and implying any other tool (like G25) is superior to MTA, or even simple autosomal distance comparisons, will get your post removed. So this leaves us with people identifying with a civilization they aren't related to.

"Unlike modern DNA sites, MTA does not use prediction calculators to determine your genetic distances to ancient samples. MTA compares your DNA kits directly to DNA of the ancient samples on a one to one basis, no estimations"

[Dr_Maul]

I mean, for a free website its not too bad. And they are also updating it frequently with new samples and populations which is nice

[Ion Basescul]

It depends on how rich you are and there are different levels of payment. For instance, footman is $37 ($37 dollars is nothing to a rich man) bucks for lifetime membership so you don't have to keep uploading your dna with different accounts and there are different features of the website besides matching to some bullshit ancient sample like a king or something so as long as you don't believe everything on the website. I'm smart enough to know what is true on the website and what is bullshit. For instance, this is better than AncestryDNA and G25 in it's own kind of way-- it's the only thing that shows my Ancestry from Alsace-Lorraine e.g. Merovingian and Frankish and most of my ancestry is from the British isles :

https://i.postimg.cc/7YL3zn6v/image-py.jpg

You can literally achieve the same on G25. Copy the whole list of ancients and run against yourself in the "Distance" tab.

[Bosniensis]

MTA can't be precise cause it is using mixed samples.

simple enough.

[Lucas]

Anyway,

1.)TheMaestro says I'm stupid for paying for it.

2.) I can easily prove I'm not stupid for paying for it.

Here is the free version of the Eurogenes K15 PCA chart :

https://i.postimg.cc/430QFnx3/me-zpsqtdovtwj.jpg

My True Ancestry's version :


https://i.postimg.cc/GhBrZ5Kh/me.jpg

Dude, you are in the same position on both. Near English, Dutch & Danish and Irish & Scottish. Only North German appears much closer on K15. And West-Brittany on K15 is instead SW-English (Tolan liked French ref more).

Moreover Tolan tool is not real PCA like in PAST for example. We can better call it K15 plot not PCA.

[TheMaestro]

Anyway,

1.)TheMaestro says I'm stupid for paying for it.

2.) I can easily prove I'm not stupid for paying for it.

Here is the free version of the Eurogenes K15 PCA chart :

https://i.postimg.cc/430QFnx3/me-zpsqtdovtwj.jpg

My True Ancestry's version :


https://i.postimg.cc/GhBrZ5Kh/me.jpg


Do you know how many calculators are on gedmatch? You are laughable stock, it's so pathethic, lol. Mytrueancestry with mix of gedmatch calculators, lol. A company that don't even have an headquarters, you think they have samples of all historic ethnics? GHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

[TheMaestro]

Dude, you are in the same position on both. Near English, Dutch & Danish and Irish & Scottish. Only North German appears much closer on K15. And West-Brittany on K15 is instead SW-English (Tolan liked French ref more).

People will just always defend their opinion and the money they spend in bullshit things, it's hilarious, do those people actually think that those companies legit have database of ancient people/ethnics etc? Its hilarious

[RyoHazuki]

It was never very accurate for me, I noticed back when it was new that it seemed recycled GEDmatch calculators plus some inaccurate PCA. Glad I never wasted a dime on it. If you wanna know your ancient ancestors, look what locals lived in your ancestral land(s).

[PaleoEuropean]

Accuracy and any adna test is pretty mutually exclusive though. 23 is probably the most accurate imo and even then not that accurate in the end. That being said it's not really inaccurate for me from the context of closeness to populations. It recognizes me as a Celto-German which I am. I think looking for an absolute, sure its faulty and gimmicky but it has value for the fact you can easily compare distances to "historic populations".

[RyoHazuki]

Dude, you are in the same position on both. Near English, Dutch & Danish and Irish & Scottish. Only North German appears much closer on K15. And West-Brittany on K15 is instead SW-English (Tolan liked French ref more).

Moreover Tolan tool is not real PCA like in PAST for example. We can better call it K15 plot not PCA.

I think it worked for him since he has relatively homogeneous background. With mixed background its less reliable, in my case MTA overlapped me 1:1 over the SW English sample while K15 plot placed me closer to Belgium and France.

[PaleoEuropean]

I think it worked for him since he has relatively homogeneous background. With mixed background its less reliable, in my case MTA overlapped me 1:1 over the SW English sample while K15 plot placed me closer to Belgium and France.

k15 isn't accurate for me at all compared to k13. K15 like Jtest is designed for people that is from the outside population to compare themselves to a specific population. K15 is a generalized calculator not meant to give accurate readings but to compare you overall to the core population.

[RyoHazuki]

People will just always defend their opinion and the money they spend in bullshit things, it's hilarious, do those people actually think that those companies legit have database of ancient people/ethnics etc? Its hilarious

Buyer's remorse cope

[PaleoEuropean]

http://genealogical-musings.blogspot.com/2017/04/finally-gedmatch-admixture-guide.html

[RyoHazuki]

k15 isn't accurate for me at all compared to k13. K15 like Jtest is designed for people that is from the outside population to compare themselves to a specific population. K15 is a generalized calculator not meant to give accurate readings but to compare you overall to the core population.

I'm aware, just musing how his results say mostly the same thing on both coordinate planes while some people's will show difference.

[PaleoEuropean]

I'm aware, just musing how his results say mostly the same thing on both coordinate planes while some people's will show difference.

It think Mytrueancestry ripped off Eurogenes k15 not sure though. I noticed that my k15 results matches my kits on My true ancestry including the distances.

[RyoHazuki]

It think Mytrueancestry ripped off Eurogenes k15 not sure though. I noticed that my k15 results matches my kits on My true ancestry including the distances.

I think the oracles did but the plot is too different in my case

[PaleoEuropean]

I think the oracles did but the plot is too different in my case

The plotting calculator is a different calculator entirely I don't think it has anything to do with Eurogenes it's an independent calculator that just uses averages from k15 to calculate it's own plot.

[Kenshiro]

Accuracy and any adna test is pretty mutually exclusive though. 23 is probably the most accurate imo and even then not that accurate in the end. That being said it's not really inaccurate for me from the context of closeness to populations. It recognizes me as a Celto-German which I am. I think looking for an absolute, sure its faulty and gimmicky but it has value for the fact you can easily compare distances to "historic populations".

23andme is really very accurate, it even managed to identify my province of origin, and that's a lot, however in my case MTA makes a lot of sense