What is destroying European preservation the most?

[Boudica]

What source, or sources, are destroying/preventing European preservation the most? What is the solution? Discuss, and freely give your opinions. :)

[Turkey]

The centre of the wings political parties. They are economic extremists.

[Logan]

Non-European immigrants, and American Culture.

[Treffie]

Apathy from the natives.

[Absinthe]

Individualism and competition.

[Han Cholo]

Apathy from the natives.

This. Adversities from beyond are easy to overcome in most of the cases. It's rotting from within what is hard to fight against. I know this very well because I'm Latin American.

[Raskolnikov]

Neurosis.

[Hevneren]

I think commercialism and globalism are the greatest threats against preservationism, because these "ideologies" are responsible for consumerism and devaluation of tradition, as well as multiculturalism and immigration.

The globalist/commercialist sort were the ones who pushed for immigration in the first place, to get access to cheap labour. We have become so focused on money and wealth, that rather than be patriots and nationalists we're consumers, to the point where we accept selling out our identity and values in order to become richer. We give up our cultures and adopt consumerism. Brand clothing becomes our tribal wear and shopping our tribal initiation.

We're obsessed with being modern, successful and "cool". Tradition is neither modern nor cool these days, and you don't get a successful image by being traditional, because suddenly we are nothing without image. :rolleyes2:

What can we do? We can start by looking for an identity in other places than in shopping malls and tasteless soap operas. We can start showing our ancestors some respect by remembering them, learning about them and teaching the children about the past of our peoples, rather than focusing on everyone else in the world, or instilling a sense of shame in children.

We can acknowledge that money doesn't necessarily buy happiness, and we can teach children that they shouldn't let the media or others define them. And rather than those horrid shows about getting rich or famous fast, or the worship of airheaded celebrities, we can show programming about history, science, philosophy and encourage young people to question things and to take pride in being a strong and smart individual, rather than being proud of being an ignorant shallow bimbo (of either gender).

When we learn to not seek hollow things because we feel hollow, we can empower ourselves to be strong and proud people rather than faceless consumers. And then, we can start cherishing our uniqueness and our culture.

The next step would be to acknowledge the inherent differences between cultures, and to understand that all peoples and not just non-European ones, have a right to be proud, and that massive immigration from the Third World is damaging European cultures and their uniqueness, so we must stop.

[Absinthe]

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Basically if I expanded on my views, I couldn't have said it better :)

[Aces High]

European lack of cohesion and fragmentation of society....not to mention lack of national pride.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Political correctness and socialism. Socialism has destroyed the economy and made us subsidize the invaders, and political correctness has made it so there can be no resistance to the invaders.

Jews play a large role in this, but mainly it was our own elites which sold us out. Centralization/collectivization of society is a chief agenda of the jews, since it allows a small minority to be dominant, which of course is at the expense of the rest of society.

Philosophy and intellectualism. It rots the brain and prevents the operation of natural instincts. What would Kant say about illegal immigration? Who the fuck cares, burn his book and the illegal alien too.

Nonsense about 'racial equality' is the worst of the myths. Once people stop believing in this myth, the police could arrest the actual criminals (mostly black and hispanic), schools could focus on their best students (mostly european and asian background), employers could hire who they want, businesses could serve who they want, etc (socialist nonsense like forcing businesses to hire and serve people they don't want to must be eliminated).

Myth that 'anyone can be anything they set their mind to' and that 'education is the key to a successful society'. The 'education-industrial complex' you might call it. Now we have loads of college grads sitting around in Mom's basement unemployed while they await their job offer to be CEO, while we 'have' to bring in immigrants to do any job which does not involve sitting in a chair in an office all day. Not really their fault in many cases, what with how our education system is funded by sticking the student with repaying all educational costs with interest while the taxpayer bails out the lending institution and the school pockets the money.

'Culture of Life' that churches promote, along with the liberal notion that 'every human being has value'. No, not really, 7 million people in this world, the vast majority of them worthless, that the planet would be better off without.

[Han Cholo]

Nonsense about 'racial equality' is the worst of the myths. Once people stop believing in this myth, the police could arrest the actual criminals (mostly black and hispanic), schools could focus on their best students (mostly european and asian background), employers could hire who they want, businesses could serve who they want, etc (socialist nonsense like forcing businesses to hire and serve people they don't want to must be eliminated).



I do not think comparing Blacks and "Hispanics" (whatever that means) in the same sentence is fair. Black Americans have been centuries in the Americas and they can't adapt whereas most Hispanic immigrants come from the very lowest classes of their respective nations. In other words not the brightest wolves in the pack, people from skilled classes or middle classes don't need to emigrate anywhere.

From what I know third or fourth generation Mexicans are quite assimilated into mainstream American culture. Most Mexican-Americans I know don't even speak Spanish and call what we call "Football" as "Soccer" which is a very Anglo-American thing.

[SwordoftheVistula]

From what I know third or fourth generation Mexicans are quite assimilated into mainstream American culture. Most Mexican-Americans I know don't even speak Spanish and call what we call "Football" as "Soccer" which is a very Anglo-American thing.

Not really. A lot are in gangs and on welfare. Often, they go in a downward slide, the first generation actually works, and then their children join gangs, become criminals, and go on welfare.

Depends on where they are from, the southern indian Mexicans are pretty crap from the very start.

The whiter Mexicans don't move here, for the most part.

But on the whole, they represent a massive invading force, which is stupider and more criminal than the native whites.

[Turkey]

Political correctness and socialism. Socialism has destroyed the economy and made us subsidize the invaders, and political correctness has made it so there can be no resistance to the invaders.

Jews play a large role in this, but mainly it was our own elites which sold us out. Centralization/collectivization of society is a chief agenda of the jews, since it allows a small minority to be dominant, which of course is at the expense of the rest of society.

Philosophy and intellectualism. It rots the brain and prevents the operation of natural instincts. What would Kant say about illegal immigration? Who the fuck cares, burn his book and the illegal alien too.

Nonsense about 'racial equality' is the worst of the myths. Once people stop believing in this myth, the police could arrest the actual criminals (mostly black and hispanic), schools could focus on their best students (mostly european and asian background), employers could hire who they want, businesses could serve who they want, etc (socialist nonsense like forcing businesses to hire and serve people they don't want to must be eliminated).

Myth that 'anyone can be anything they set their mind to' and that 'education is the key to a successful society'. The 'education-industrial complex' you might call it. Now we have loads of college grads sitting around in Mom's basement unemployed while they await their job offer to be CEO, while we 'have' to bring in immigrants to do any job which does not involve sitting in a chair in an office all day. Not really their fault in many cases, what with how our education system is funded by sticking the student with repaying all educational costs with interest while the taxpayer bails out the lending institution and the school pockets the money.

'Culture of Life' that churches promote, along with the liberal notion that 'every human being has value'. No, not really, 7 million people in this world, the vast majority of them worthless, that the planet would be better off without.
It was only a matter of time before someone yelled commies.

And we were doing so well. Sword, can't you just keep this stuff on every single other preservation site with all the rest of the clones?

[Johnston]

Centralization/collectivization of society is a chief agenda of the jews, since it allows a small minority to be dominant, which of course is at the expense of the rest of society.Please...:rolleyes:

Rome>Roman Empire

Head>Body

Capital>Corporate

Am I making sense here?:D

[Turkey]

^ negrofied people thinking they are worthy to breed in to our gene pool.

You'll only destroy what you aspire to Johnston.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Please...:rolleyes:

Rome>Roman Empire

Head>Body

Capital>Corporate

Am I making sense here?:D

Jews>Communist Party> USSR

Jews>Federal Reserve>Wall Street>Corporate Socialist economy

[Johnston]

Now, when do I get the power of neg rep??

[Johnston]

Jews>Communist Party> USSR

Jews>Federal Reserve>Wall Street>Corporate Socialist economyI was referring to your articulation of the model. The model in and of itself is not bad. Perhaps the specific entities in the model could be adjusted or replaced.

[rhiannon]

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Basically if I expanded on my views, I couldn't have said it better :)

Hev is a cool cat:)

I cannot help but wonder if the US and our consumer culture is to blame for much of this... We *epitomize* consumerism in a way no other country can even touch.

It's not a good thing, either. All you gotta do is take a good look at the celebs that have become popular in the past ten years.......and why they have become popular.

Just......Ew!

[Turkey]

phew. Back on track

[Hevneren]

Hev is a cool cat:)

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/5/stoiccatisst128544527090791250.jpg
:D


I cannot help but wonder if the US and our consumer culture is to blame for much of this... We *epitomize* consumerism in a way no other country can even touch.

It's not a good thing, either. All you gotta do is take a good look at the celebs that have become popular in the past ten years.......and why they have become popular.

Just......Ew!

American popular culture gets a lot of flak over here in the Old World, and while much of it is deserved, it's also important to note that without Europeans embracing American popular culture, it wouldn't have become widespread here.

I think the issue with American popular culture is that Europeans in general don't see it as something genuine, both for better or worse. For worse, because it's seen as somewhat plastic and not rooted in tradition, and for better because it's available and fun. It's something easily accessible, which is why it's called popular culture.

The main problem isn't if people eat at McDonald's from time to time, but that young people are brought up to worship vanity, shallowness, materialism, greed, success with minimum effort, promiscuity and rude behaviour. These things have become popularised in American entertainment, but also in the entertainment of other Western countries.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for personal freedom and responsibility, and I'm no prude when it comes to sexuality or the human body, but just because you're free to do something it doesn't make it good for you. I just think there's something more to life than being the hottest model or become famous by eating bugs. :rolleyes:

[rhiannon]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/5/5/stoiccatisst128544527090791250.jpg
:D



American popular culture gets a lot of flak over here in the Old World, and while much of it is deserved, it's also important to note that without Europeans embracing American popular culture, it wouldn't have become widespread here.

I think the issue with American popular culture is that Europeans in general don't see it as something genuine, both for better or worse. For worse, because it's seen as somewhat plastic and not rooted in tradition, and for better because it's available and fun. It's something easily accessible, which is why it's called popular culture.

The main problem isn't if people eat at McDonald's from time to time, but that young people are brought up to worship vanity, shallowness, materialism, greed, success with minimum effort, promiscuity and rude behaviour. These things have become popularised in American entertainment, but also in the entertainment of other Western countries.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for personal freedom and responsibility, and I'm no prude when it comes to sexuality or the human body, but just because you're free to do something it doesn't make it good for you. I just think there's something more to life than being the hottest model or become famous by eating bugs. :rolleyes:

Agreed. Much of our culture (American) is plastic. I used to be bothered by this even back when I was a teen.

I am all for social progress in a positive direction.....but what is happening is not social progress....it's social engineering. :(

[StonyArabia]

Globalization is not only destroying European culture but the diverse cultures of the world.

[Phil75231]

Actually, globalization is creating something new - a vague global culture more or less everybody adheres to, then their local culture which to varying degrees is influenced by global culture.

Still, I don't think ALL globalization is bad. Yes, far too often it IS what I call "the triumph of marketing and advertizing over good and/or proper taste". Yes, globalization DOES tend to try to be something for everyone and in doing so ends up being a mish-mash of crap because (i have advertizers in mind here) they try to blend together multiple styles that don't really mesh well aesthetically. And Yes, globalization in its most brash form does NOT teach people how to think, or to act on your authentic unique desires (though it sure as hell teaches you how to maniplulate).

On the other hand, there's globalization and "globalization", if you get my point. The very globalization, combined with the Internet, is responsible for this very conversation right now (without a GLOBALLY coherent communication network, TA would barely exist - if at all). Speaking ideally here, it brings us into contact with people from other nations, where we learn about each other and have more personal experience with which to try to understand each other (not always successful, admittedly).

So yes, preserve that which is unique and good about your culture - the language, the food, the fashions (folk or chic), your literature, and so forth. These things ARE valuable and irreplacable. Still, remember that TRULY healthy cultures inevitably change over time - often due to outside influences (of the good sort, of course). So while I don't believe in trashing tradition just because the mass media tends to tell us it's "not modern", "not with the times" ,etc etc blah blah blah; refusing to allow other influences into your culture simply because they are "not part of our traditions" is at least as harmful as globalization ever would be.

[Turkey]

Actually, globalization is creating something new - a vague global culture more or less everybody adheres to, then their local culture which to varying degrees is influenced by global culture.

Still, I don't think ALL globalization is bad. Yes, far too often it IS what I call "the triumph of marketing and advertizing over good and/or proper taste". Yes, globalization DOES tend to try to be something for everyone and in doing so ends up being a mish-mash of crap because (i have advertizers in mind here) they try to blend together multiple styles that don't really mesh well aesthetically. And Yes, globalization in its most brash form does NOT teach people how to think, or to act on your authentic unique desires (though it sure as hell teaches you how to maniplulate).

On the other hand, there's globalization and "globalization", if you get my point. The very globalization, combined with the Internet, is responsible for this very conversation right now (without a GLOBALLY coherent communication network, TA would barely exist - if at all). Speaking ideally here, it brings us into contact with people from other nations, where we learn about each other and have more personal experience with which to try to understand each other (not always successful, admittedly).

So yes, preserve that which is unique and good about your culture - the language, the food, the fashions (folk or chic), your literature, and so forth. These things ARE valuable and irreplacable. Still, remember that TRULY healthy cultures inevitably change over time - often due to outside influences (of the good sort, of course). So while I don't believe in trashing tradition just because the mass media tends to tell us it's "not modern", "not with the times" ,etc etc blah blah blah; refusing to allow other influences into your culture simply because they are "not part of our traditions" is at least as harmful as globalization ever would be.
Yes it seems globalism is actually happening on it's own without the benefit of oligarchic conspiracies. The problem is that european people have some kind of mentality at the moment that we must be the ones ground under for this new world to be a peaceful one. It's not exactly globalisation that's the problem, it's the atrociously inept way that our type of governemts deal with it.

[Moonbird]

The biggest threat to European preservation in non European immigrants. The solution would be very simple, to stop all immigration from countries which aren't racially European.

[Svipdag]

IMMIGRATION, especially Muslim immigration.



"Sic transit gloria mundi."

[SilverKnight]

A: Europeans themselves, arguing against each other weather who's "Whiter" looking or not, who looks Germanic, or "wog" , when the real problems are extremists muslims with their crazy ideologies about destroying European culture and savage Africans as well.

Until the collective population of Europe doesn't realize this, and unite against their careless governments this won't stop.

[Foxy]

The trolls, they make preservationists pass for ridicolous.

Solution: keep fora clean.

[Curtis24]

Feminism...

[Mordid]

Multicuturalism.

[Turkey]

Multicuturalism.
Multi-culturalism's more of a symptom than a cause though.

Thay want higher populations so the goverments allow and foster the sentiment of mutli-culturalism to keep us from revolting.

You can be as racist as you want really, but when you speak out against immigration, then you are labelled racist and thrown in jail for some trumped up charge.

If anything, it's the alliance of the two middle party's tag teeming us into oblivion.

[Hess]

Europeans losing their culture.

[Kataphraktoi]

The globalisation of culture which sees mosques in Europe and McDonalds in Saudi Arabia. I see this as a consequence of both Marxism and capitalism; economics is divorced from culture, ethics, religion and unending economic growth is the only goal. In capitalism goods are distributed as far as possible so people have no relation to the people that produced them; Marxism obviously is an internationalist movement where national identities are deconstructed in order to bring about "world revolution" (see: Rosa Luxembourg's "The Nationalities Question in the Russian Revolution"). Mass immigration is also a result of the influences of Marxism with the global capitalist economy, plus the post-colonial guilt so everyone from all the far-flung corners of the British Empire feel they have a right to live in Britain.

[Troll's Puzzle]

Rats!

BIG rats.

with BIG teeth!

[Raikaswinþs]

MacDonalization of society, The US influence as a whole has been particularly damaging. Post WWII policies such as mass migration, and generally post industrial culture, specially from late nineties till today

[Mordid]

Rats!

BIG rats.

with BIG teeth!
It's a Jew!
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-2/greedy-jewish-person-cartoon.jpg

[Birka]

Lack of gonadal fortitude.

[Boudica]

In your opinion what is the #1 threat to European preservation? If all were to fail, what would have been the number one cause of it? Explain your answer.

[Baron Samedi]

Individuals like me.

[Black Sun Dimension]

Individuals like me.

I see your bet, and raise you spics like me.

[zack]

Individuals like me.

People with hearts that are not good little goose stepping white power soldiers are a threat as well.

I refuse to be a useful idiot,so thats why im a threat.

[rhiannon]

I am sure most people on this board would peg me or those who think like me as a threat.

I disagree, of course, and feel that the concept of European Preservation means different things to all of us.

[Flintlocke]

Capitalists, International corporations, those with the money and power in the current system. Politicians, media, feminism, neo-leftism, and other more visible things are merely tools of the super rich. But this is only the symptom.

The problem is that whites won't take up the battle axe and always bend over. There will always be external enemies but the problem is in us.

[Lithium]

The liberal political movements and non-European immigrants all over Europe, who don't integrate and change the whole look of the place they live in.

[Boudica]

While I think that everything everyone above has listed are definite threats, I also think that we are the only ones who can destroy ourselves, and what we have created. When it comes down to it all, we are allowing the very things which are destroying us to happen. I think that the biggest threat we have is the possibility that our race will not unite as one and change things.

[Peyrol]

Cultural marxism / thirdworldism and politically correct

[BeerBaron]

Cultural Marxism, Cultural Relativism, Liberal apologists who refuse to see the world for what it is and instead believe it can be some wonderful candyland full of lollipops and gummy bears. And that we will all, one day, sit around the c02 free "green" camp fire, in a rejuvenated rain forest, bellies full of candy singing kumbaya and marveling at our new socialist system where the past conflicts of humanity have been forgotten.

God I hate liberals:mad:

[Marino]

Greed.

[Peasant]

Race mixers. It is pretty obvious why.

[Johnston]

Colonials, especially Americans, apparently...:rolleyes:

[The Ripper]

Colonials, especially Americans, apparently...:rolleyes:

Jag tippade också lite på det att du inte är det du säger. En svensk man som kallar sig själv "svenska"? Det kan ju inte stämma.

[Johnston]

Jag tippade också lite på det att du inte är det du säger. En svensk man som kallar sig själv "svenska"? Det kan ju inte stämma.If it is any consolation to you, I changed it to the classical ethnic term. Whatever the format of the term in modern Swedish, I prefer the old version. Svear it is. :)

[The Ripper]

If it is any consolation to you, I changed it to the classical ethnic term. Whatever the format of the term in modern Swedish, I prefer the old version. Svear it is. :)

A "svenska" is a Swedish female. Just as a Germanska is a Germanic female.

[Nglund]

Teh evil zionazis!

[Johnston]

I know that. Swedish has not yet become gender-neutral. It follows the Latin standard. :(

[The Ripper]

I know that. Swedish has not yet become gender-neutral. It follows the Latin standard. :(

But according to your profile, you're male. This is what I've been driving at. :cool:

[Johnston]

But according to your profile, you're male. This is what I've been driving at. :cool:Maybe I'm having a go at playing Loki.:p I sure would like to see that film when it comes out next year, lol.

[Hevneren]

Dissent.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Cultural Marxists is probably the closest in one term.

Basically, Jews, Socialists, Statists, et al

[beaver]

Europeans/Whites, most terrible beings in the world (and especially to each other). Mongols are small children in comparison.

[Leliana]

Muslims, lack of faith and courage, cultural relativists, other immigrants, EU centralism, stultification :(

[Joe McCarthy]

Colonials, especially Americans, apparently...:rolleyes:

I think you're looking for the number 1 scapegoat for neo-fascists thread. ;)

Anyway, post-60s morality and the refusal to reproduce. We have seen the enemy and it is us.

[Elbegast]

Non-white immigration, multiculturalism, socialism, liberalism, communism, zionism, miscegenators.
A little difficult to choose the #1 of them.

[Troll's Puzzle]

Cultural Marxists is probably the closest in one term.

Basically, Jews, Socialists, Statists, et al

typical american statement really :shrug:

(q) is socialism necessarily anti-european?
(a) no.

(q) is Statism necessarily anti european?
(a) no.

....

(q) is free market anti-statist libertatian capitalism necessarily anti european?
(a) in that it is anti-state (and so anti-border, and anti border control), pro-free movement of 'goods' (and labour is a good, remember?), etc, etc, all of which tends to favour movement of workers from (low paid, low employment) areas to (higher paid areas with greater demand for jobs) where they can be paid (whatever the employer wants to pay them, e.g. less than what 'over-priced' native labour would demand if it could do so, however it can't because the 'socialist' notion of the 'state' is gone and nothing can stop the employer from hiring cheap labour as it is more efficient economically) etc, etc, insert pages of boring economics droning here -
to the extent that 'free market anti-state capitalism' provides for all these things and objects to the things that oppose them (such as native labour banding together politically to obstruct private capitalists employing cheaper foreign labour, i.e. the prevention of natives forming a 'state'), then yes, it is necessarily anti european.

[Troll's Puzzle]

to answer the question:

Rats!

BIG rats.

with BIG teeth!

...(deja vu? (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32470&page=4))...

[zack]

Why is it always ' cultural marxism' ? Can it be...that maybe just maybe the world got to the shitty way it is now off our own choices? Maybe we were not pushed by some sinister force out of academia into the place we are now?

I guess some 'preservationists' need some sort of scapegoat for how we are now.

[Joe McCarthy]

Why is it always ' cultural marxism' ? Can it be...that maybe just maybe the world got to the shitty way it is now off our own choices? Maybe we were not pushed by some sinister force out of academia into the place we are now?

I guess some 'preservationists' need some sort of scapegoat for how we are now.

Cultural Marxism is typically meant to refer to the Frankfurt School, whose main player was probably Herbert Marcuse. Insofar as Marcuse's 'Eros and Civilization' helped launch the sexual revolution of the 60s we can blame Cultural Marxism. Beyond that it gets somewhat murky, though Adorno was also a player, and Erich Fromm's 'Man for Himself' attacked the family.

[mymy]

Primitive and narrow minded people.

[Artaxat]

1-Globalist ideology and Banks

[mymy]

I'm reading this thread and i think some of you could call me a traitor...:rolleyes2:

[Siberyak]

People who are all talk and no action. People who pretend the immigration problem will go away on its own.

[Logan]

I'm reading this thread and i think some of you could call me a traitor...:rolleyes2:

You seem to me but a nice girl. I think the European Cultures are too strong not to survive threats created by poor political policies. :)

I am sure she is as well, but I would rather be more concerned about some of byrnecres thoughts. :eek:

'Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.'

Alexander Hamilton

[Johnston]

Cultural Marxism is typically meant to refer to the Frankfurt School, whose main player was probably Herbert Marcuse. Insofar as Marcuse's 'Eros and Civilization' helped launch the sexual revolution of the 60s we can blame Cultural Marxism. Beyond that it gets somewhat murky, though Adorno was also a player, and Erich Fromm's 'Man for Himself' attacked the family.

http://www.amazon.com/Architects-Culture-Death-Donald-Marco/dp/1586170163


The "Culture of Death" has become a popular phrase, and is much bandied about in academic circles. Yet, for most people, its meaning remains vague and remote. DeMarco and Wiker have given the Culture of Death high definition and frightening immediacy. They have exposed its roots by introducing its "architects." In a scholarly, yet reader-friendly delineation of the mindsets of twenty-three influential thinkers, such as Ayn Rand, Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Jean-Paul Sartre, Alfred Kinsey, Margaret Sanger, Jack Kevorkian, and Peter Singer, they make clear the aberrant thought and malevolent intentions that have shaped the Culture of Death.

Still, this is not a book without hope. If the Culture of Death rests on a fragmented view of the person and an eclipse of God, hope for the "Culture of Life" rests on an understanding and restoration of the human being as a person, and the rediscovery of a benevolent God. The "Personalism" of John Paul II is an illuminating thread that runs through Architects, serving as a hopeful antidote.

[Lábaru]

The Europeans.

[Loddfafner]

Humidity is probably the main threat to European preservation. (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=614815#post614815)

[Raskolnikov]

Childless people -> the Marxo-Capitalist Neo-Fascistocrats.


Cultural Marxism is typically meant to refer to the Frankfurt School, whose main player was probably Herbert Marcuse. Insofar as Marcuse's 'Eros and Civilization' helped launch the sexual revolution of the 60s we can blame Cultural Marxism. Beyond that it gets somewhat murky, though Adorno was also a player, and Erich Fromm's 'Man for Himself' attacked the family.
Horkheimer is one actually mentioned by hippies. Funny you didn't mention him - your uncle perhaps?