A question for Turkish members

[Zoro]

A question for Turkish members I have always wondered about my 23andme match results showing different parts of Turkey. With some regions like Malataya I believe I'm matching with Kurds but with other regions I'm not sure if I'm matching with Kurds or Turks. I'd like to hear your opinion about those other regions. If you had to guess which regions the probability of Kurdish match is low.

https://i.imgur.com/mOdwJAh.png

https://i.imgur.com/1dEHA9o.png

[Marmara]

Western provinces should be Turkish, except maybe Hatay.

[Halgurd]

tbh i dont think its accurate

on my v4 chip i got Gaziantep, Mus, Diyarbakir and Erzurum
When i upgraded to the v5 chip they didnt give me any regions

[Zoro]

Western provinces should be Turkish, except maybe Hatay.

Out of those western provinces which one has highest probability Turks

[Halgurd]

Btw Kayseri and Ankara have Kurds too but I'm not sure if they're used as a reference population in 23andme

[eatensemn]

As far as i know between ankara - haymana and konya-cihanbeyli kurds are dominant. (And probably around northern side of the salt lake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C5%9Fwan_Kurds

[Zoro]

tbh i dont think its accurate

on my v4 chip i got Gaziantep, Mus, Diyarbakir and Erzurum
When i upgraded to the v5 chip they didnt give me any regions

I’m not fond of 23andme because they force people into catagories by ignoring segments less than 50% from particular ethinicity. For example their Central Asian which is based on Turkmenistan is ridiculous because if they didn’t filter out segments less than 50% Iranians and kurds should have gotten a large amount. I only got 10% c asian

[Kyp]

Can you send your Dodecadk12b?

Matching with some Turkish regions shouldn't be a surprise since you are Iraqi Turkmen

[Thracian]

Well.

Ankara is the capital city. The city holds a Kurdish population, it is pretty normal for the capital city. Plus, there are some Kurdish villages in Aksaray which was part of the Ankara. These people are native to Aksaray, not like Ankara. Turks are majority.
Kayseri, another big city and it holds millions from everywhere. However, as far as I know there are also a few Kurdish villages in Kayseri. Turks are majority like Ankara.
Giresun, you can make sure there is no Kurdish people there. This one should be Turkish. No possible Kurdish match.
Hatay, there are Kurds there but they recently migrated to Hatay. Turks and Arabs are majority in Hatay.

Malatya, Turks are also majority but Kurdish population in Malatya is significant.
The same goes for Elazig.
Hakkari, Kurds are majority for sure.
Tunceli, Zaza are majority.
Van, Kurds are majority but Turks also have significant numbers.

According to these cities, a Turkish ancestors for you wouldn't be surprise. Do you score East Eurasian on gedmatch?

[Zoro]

Can you send your Dodecadk12b?

Matching with some Turkish regions shouldn't be a surprise since you are Iraqi Turkmen

I'm mostly Kurd though.


https://i.imgur.com/5h9c9jY.jpg


# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 6.31
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.01
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 8.61
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 10.6
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 10.68
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 15.86
7 Turks (Behar) 18.62
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.84
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 21.16
10 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 21.57
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.97
12 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 22.11
13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 22.28
14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 22.29
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 22.38
16 Lebanese (Behar) 22.69
17 Syrians (Behar) 23.69
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 23.8
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 24.67
20 Lezgins (Behar) 25.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Iranians (Behar) + 12.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.75
2 87.8% Iranians (Behar) + 12.2% Uygur (HGDP) @ 2.79
3 92% Iranians (Behar) + 8% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 2.85
4 92.3% Iranians (Behar) + 7.7% Garo (Chaubey) @ 2.89

[Zoro]

Iranian map

https://i.imgur.com/ue4fwxH.png

https://i.imgur.com/mYJSzuR.png

https://i.imgur.com/CPKbPK0.jpg

[Lucas]

23&me for regional matches is using not academic references (which would be impossible for whole world with thousands regions), but their user database. So you match simply their users from those regions. Now wonder how they assign them. Well probably using their postal address.

[Kyp]

I'm mostly Kurd though.



# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 6.31
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.01
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 8.61
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 10.6
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 10.68
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 15.86
7 Turks (Behar) 18.62
8 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.84
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 21.16
10 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 21.57
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.97
12 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 22.11
13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 22.28
14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 22.29
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 22.38
16 Lebanese (Behar) 22.69
17 Syrians (Behar) 23.69
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 23.8
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 24.67
20 Lezgins (Behar) 25.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.5% Iranians (Behar) + 12.5% Hazara (HGDP) @ 2.75
2 87.8% Iranians (Behar) + 12.2% Uygur (HGDP) @ 2.79
3 92% Iranians (Behar) + 8% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 2.85
4 92.3% Iranians (Behar) + 7.7% Garo (Chaubey) @ 2.89

Very eastern shifted in general for a Kurd. Not only the East Eurasian input. Very atypical results.

Target: Zoro
Distance: 1.2352% / 1.23521623 | ADC: 0.25x
62.0 Iranians
17.2 Iranian_Fars
15.6 Turkmens
2.0 Lahu
1.2 Oroqen
1.0 Moroccans
0.6 Yakut
0.2 CHS30
0.2 Makrani

[Zoro]

Very eastern shifted in general for a Kurd. Not only the East Eurasian input. Very atypical results.

Target: Zoro
Distance: 1.2352% / 1.23521623 | ADC: 0.25x
62.0 Iranians
17.2 Iranian_Fars
15.6 Turkmens
2.0 Lahu
1.2 Oroqen
1.0 Moroccans
0.6 Yakut
0.2 CHS30
0.2 Makrani

Still have kurd 2nd highest after Iranian on oracle though

[Kyp]

Still have kurd 2nd highest after Iranian on oracle though

Yes but you are closer to Khorasan Persians and Eastern Persians than to Kurds.

A distance of 9-11 is quite high


Updated spreadsheet:

Distance to: Zoro
5.15148522 Iranian_Fars
6.55693526 Iranians
7.05606122 Iran_Central_East
7.51720693 Iran_Khorasan
8.10663309 Lur_Iran
8.73140309 Iranian
9.33495581 Kurd
9.52790638 Kurd_Sorani
10.01324123 Iran_Mazandaran
10.28091922 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.39584051 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.85730630 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89527420 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.01311491 Turkmens
11.58392852 Kurds
11.60466286 Azerbaijani
11.63135418 Kurd_KAZ
12.11945956 Zaza
12.65228833 Turkmen_Iran
12.77878711 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.16083204 Parsi_India
13.88757358 Turk_Southeast
14.55459034 Iran_Bandari
16.22160904 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.71936303 Turk_South

[Zoro]

Yes but you are closer to Khorasan Persians and Eastern Persians than to Kurds.

A distance of 9-11 is quite high


Updated spreadsheet:

Distance to: Zoro
5.15148522 Iranian_Fars
6.55693526 Iranians
7.05606122 Iran_Central_East
7.51720693 Iran_Khorasan
8.10663309 Lur_Iran
8.73140309 Iranian
9.33495581 Kurd
9.52790638 Kurd_Sorani
10.01324123 Iran_Mazandaran
10.28091922 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.39584051 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.85730630 Turkmen_Iraq
10.89527420 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.01311491 Turkmens
11.58392852 Kurds
11.60466286 Azerbaijani
11.63135418 Kurd_KAZ
12.11945956 Zaza
12.65228833 Turkmen_Iran
12.77878711 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.16083204 Parsi_India
13.88757358 Turk_Southeast
14.55459034 Iran_Bandari
16.22160904 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
16.71936303 Turk_South

Ok i get it but the k12 distance is 6 to Iranian and 8 to kurd. Usually the higher the k the higher the distance that’s why the G25/K25 distance is higher than k12 distance

[Bender1999]

Yes Ankara-Konya has the most kurdish villages in central anatolia, also my hometown Kirsehir(especially the boztepe district), Aksaray, Yozgat, Kirikkale and Cankiri has kurdish villages. They are sometimes mixed with the native turks so its possible that is the reason why you are showing east eurasian and cluster with turks. Those regions are mostly settled by turkmens, Ankara(many villages), Aksaray, Kirikkale, Kirsehir amd Yozgat are almost Turkmen ancestery, sometimes i don’t understand why those region show at average 10% east eurasian. The people there dint say you are a turk you are a kurd, they married with each other.

Also another controversial theme: the risvan tribe. This region has a lot of them, many historians claim they are just kurdified turkmen although i must admit the name sounds definitely Kurdish/Persian. Other say this was a confederation between turkmens and kurds, other say they are kurds who are highly influenced by turkmens. What i can say, you can see differences between kurds and turks there, but the risvan tribe has a lot similarities with turks. I think this is a tribe of mixed kurds/turkmens.

Hatay is mixed, mostly turks/alavi arabs. I have no information about the origin of the kayseri villages, this area has a lot of afshars that what i know but many are „less“ turkic influenced. Giresun is mostly of Cepni origin, just few villages are of Laz/Pontus greek origin.

[Zoro]

Yes Ankara-Konya has the most kurdish villages in central anatolia, also my hometown Kirsehir(especially the boztepe district), Aksaray, Yozgat, Kirikkale and Cankiri has kurdish villages. They are sometimes mixed with the native turks so its possible that is the reason why you are showing east eurasian and cluster with turks. Those regions are mostly settled by turkmens, Ankara(many villages), Aksaray, Kirikkale, Kirsehir amd Yozgat are almost Turkmen ancestery, sometimes i don’t understand why those region show at average 10% east eurasian. The people there dint say you are a turk you are a kurd, they married with each other.

Also another controversial theme: the risvan tribe. This region has a lot of them, many historians claim they are just kurdified turkmen although i must admit the name sounds definitely Kurdish/Persian. Other say this was a confederation between turkmens and kurds, other say they are kurds who are highly influenced by turkmens. What i can say, you can see differences between kurds and turks there, but the risvan tribe has a lot similarities with turks. I think this is a tribe of mixed kurds/turkmens.

Hatay is mixed, mostly turks/alavi arabs. I have no information about the origin of the kayseri villages, this area has a lot of afshars that what i know but many are „less“ turkic influenced. Giresun is mostly of Cepni origin, just few villages are of Laz/Pontus greek origin.

Thanks for the info. I’ve always wanted to learn more about turkey and this type of information it is very helpful