Egyptian Mamluks new generation

[Egyptian]

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1-Ahmed Salah Hosny

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2- Amir Karara

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3-Yasser Galal

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4-Amr Youssef

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5- Ahmed Fahmy

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6-Hussein Fahmy

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7- Mostafa Fahmy

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8- Ahmed Ezz

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[Nassbean]

they all look levantines except the fahmy family who look european (none of them has a familiar look to me)

[Immanenz]

They all look Turkish to me, Fahmy guys look Bosnian-Turkic mixed

[Kivan]

They all look Turkish to me, Fahmy guys look Bosnian-Turkic mixed

Except by the guy no. 8, not a single person in the photos looks remotely Turkish.

Guy number 6 looks NW European to me (Belgian or something).

[zeybek]

Almost all of them easily pass as Turks.

[Egyptian]

Were all Mamluks of Tukic origin?

[Bender1999]

Were all Mamluks of Tukic origin?

Yes mostly but also many circissians

[itilvolga]

Were all Mamluks of Tukic origin?

The ones who moved to Egypt were mainly Kipchak.

[zeybek]

Were all Mamluks of Tukic origin?

Yes Turkic origin and also Caucasians.

[zeybek]

Your examples look more Turkish than Arabs.

[itilvolga]

I would never guess any of them as Turk but it doesn’t mean it’s impossible for them to pass as Turk (except number 2, his pigmentation is really weird).
Also Ahmed Fahmy looks like Turkish actor Yiğit Özşener.

[Egyptian]

I would never guess any of them as Turk but it doesn’t mean it’s impossible for them to pass as Turk (except number 2, his pigmentation is really weird).
Also Ahmed Fahmy looks like Turkish actor Yiğit Özşener.

Where do you think they could pass?

[Bender1999]

I would never guess any of them as Turk but it doesn’t mean it’s impossible for them to pass as Turk (except number 2, his pigmentation is really weird).
Also Ahmed Fahmy looks like Turkish actor Yiğit Özşener.

Furst four could be turkish, the rest also wouldnt pass as turkish. The last one simply looks like lebanese.

[eatensemn]

All pass as turkish, with/without mena influenced tag. Those green eyes indicate more about turkic origin.

[Kivan]

Furst three could be turkish, the rest also wouldnt pass as turkish. The last one simply looks like lebanese.

1# and 3# look Arabic as fuck.
2# look light pigmented Iranian.

Last one doesn't look Arab at all. He definetely would fit as Anatolian Turk (Antalya, Mersin, etc).

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[zeybek]

I would never guess any of them as Turk but it doesn’t mean it’s impossible for them to pass as Turk (except number 2, his pigmentation is really weird).
Also Ahmed Fahmy looks like Turkish actor Yiğit Özşener.

№2 gives me Murat Ünalmış vibe.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PVZzNeHRqtI/RyEfINSu0EI/AAAAAAAAAMk/AKUj-YOmQ-E/S660/2.bmp
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[itilvolga]

Where do you think they could pass?

They look Levantine to me.

[Bender1999]

1# and 3# look Arabic as fuck.
2# look light pigmented Iranian.

Last one doesn't look Arab at all. He definetely would fit as Anatolian Turk (Antalya, Mersin, etc).

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/29/58/472958170a55958561ee7ac3e64cc6ce.jpg
1. look like ünsal arik or erkan avci
3. can easily pass as turk

[Egyptian]

They look Levantine to me.
You could be right, and where would i pass? malatya? :'D

[Bender1999]

You could be right, and where would i pass? malatya? :'D

Hahaha did you posted ever a pic?

[Egyptian]

Amir Karara and Halit Ergenc

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Ahmed Ezz and Amir Karara

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[Egyptian]

Hahaha did you posted ever a pic?

https://www6.0zz0.com/2019/08/02/20/576689878.png

[Egyptian]

Ünsal Arik looks nothing like these dudes.
Erkan Avci is Kurdish (although he looks just a bit like the first guy).

I googled his photo and he doesn't. He looks like a typical Arab:

Yasser is not the typcical Arab, maybe ahmed ezz but not yasser.

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[Kivan]

Yasser is not the typcical Arab, maybe ahmed ezz but not yasser.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1134300389006827520/AS44JiUd_400x400.jpg

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This guy looks Jordanian or Iraqi.

[Dorian]

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[Kivan]

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According to the photo, i think you could pass in Eastern Turkey.

[Egyptian]

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Egypt protects greece EEZ.
have some respect when we protect your people.

[itilvolga]

You could be right, and where would i pass? malatya? :'D

I think you can pass in Southeast of Turkey very well, Urfa and Antep would make more sense than Malatya :lol:

[zeybek]

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Yes you look very Turkish.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

The first two look part SSA, very heavily so in the first one.

The rest look varying types of Turkish.

[Immanenz]

Yasser is not the typcical Arab, maybe ahmed ezz but not yasser.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1134300389006827520/AS44JiUd_400x400.jpg

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He has clearly Turanid influenced eyes, he is just a bit darker.

[Egyptian]

The first two look part SSA, very heavily so in the first one.

The rest look varying types of Turkish.

That's the first one when he was young

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIIRi4fWUAAsGYK.jpg

[Egyptian]

He has clearly Turanid influenced eyes, he is just a bit darker.

Indeed, that's what i wanted to say. Also another Egyptian (Mufti) has turanid eyes.

https://www.draligomaa.com/media/k2/items/cache/5d7e022bfc88ea606725533249e32b08_XL.jpg

[Pro.crasti.nation]

That's the first one when he was young

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIIRi4fWUAAsGYK.jpg

Still has the SSA vibe, but less so because the skull shape is obscured.

[Immanenz]

Indeed, that's what i wanted to say. Also another Egyptian (Mufti) has turanid eyes.

https://www.draligomaa.com/media/k2/items/cache/5d7e022bfc88ea606725533249e32b08_XL.jpg

This guy is more Orientalid shifted but has also Turan influence. The guy in Stuttgart yersey looks Turanid- Cm with Egyptid and/or minor SSA

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Are Coptic Egyptians native or do they have outside origins?

[Egyptian]

Are Coptic Egyptians native or do they have outside origins?

Coptic, I hate this greek origin word .. Coptic word is a greek word to refer to the people of Egypt whether they are atheist or agnostics or christians during this time till Islam has come and used the original name of Egypt which is (MISIR) .. Misir is the original word to our country and even jews since thouandsssss of years and call our country Misiryam not damn copt or egypt.

and about your question, Christians some of them native and some mixed with orthodox greeks and armenians.

[Egyptian]

This guy is more Orientalid shifted but has also Turan influence. The guy in Stuttgart yersey looks Turanid- Cm with Egyptid and/or minor SSA

Yeah, he was a player in Stuttgart.

[eatensemn]

That's the first one when he was young

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIIRi4fWUAAsGYK.jpg

This guy can even pass as a bit surinam/apac mixed dutch.

Do you have an idea about these green eyes in non-turkic egyptians? Is there a significant difference?

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Coptic, I hate this greek origin word .. Coptic word is a greek word to refer to the people of Egypt whether they are atheist or agnostics or christians during this time till Islam has come and used the original name of Egypt which is (MISIR) .. Misir is the original word to our country and even jews since thouandsssss of years and call our country Misiryam not damn copt or egypt.

and about your question, Christians some of them native and some mixed with orthodox greeks and armenians.

Hey, I wasn't aware there was any issue with the term.

I only ask because I have a Coptic Egyptian (his own description) acquaintance.

Very friendly guy, good chess opponent.

[Egyptian]

Hey, I wasn't aware there was any issue with the term.

I only ask because I have a Coptic Egyptian (his own description) acquaintance.

Very friendly guy, good chess opponent.

I've nothing against you .. just i don't like this word because it's greek word, not even egyptian word.

[Egyptian]

This guy can even pass as a bit surinam/apac mixed dutch.

Do you have an idea about these green eyes in non-turkic egyptians? Is there a significant difference?

My family carries the green eyes, my father etc.
and we are of turkic origin.

there is a city in Egypt their citizens carry green and blue eyes ( called Mansoura city) due to french colonization but other than that green eyed egyptian are probably of mamluk origin.

[Marmara]

They aren't supposed to look Turkish.

Mamluks were mainly Kypchaks, additionally Circassians, Georgians and Slavs, no Mamluk descents from Anatolia or Oghuz Turks.

We don't know how the original Cuman-Kypchaks looked, but they likely looked pretty distinct than modern day Turks.

Also, there are so many routes for light eyes to reach in Egypt, they don't have to have Mamluk origins.

[Bender1999]

They aren't supposed to look Turkish.

Mamluks were mainly Kypchaks, additionally Circassians, Georgians and Slavs, no Mamluk descents from Anatolia or Oghuz Turks.

We don't know how the original Cuman-Kypchaks looked, but they likely looked pretty distinct than modern day Turks.

Also, there are so many routes for light eyes to reach in Egypt, they don't have to have Mamluk origins.

Kuman/kipçak turkics probably most resemble to crimean tatars(genetically and appearance), maybe with more east asian admix(30-40%). Nowadays kipcaks are sometimes foreign influenced(slavic/finni ugric/mongolian). Also once read that some uzbek tribes are of kipcak origin, but i dont know how true that is.

[Bender1999]

My family carries the green eyes, my father etc.
and we are of turkic origin.

there is a city in Egypt their citizens carry green and blue eyes ( called Mansoura city) due to french colonization but other than that green eyed egyptian are probably of mamluk origin.

I would see a source that green eyes are an indication for turkic ancestry.(not from you but from those ones who believe in that). It also could be of celtic or iranic origin(first is very unlikely)

[Renekton]

Turkic looking

[Egyptian]

I would see a source that green eyes are an indication for turkic ancestry.(not from you but from those ones who believe in that). It also could be of celtic or iranic origin(first is very unlikely)

I don't think green eyes is Iranic.

[Bender1999]

I don't think green eyes is Iranic.

In my knowledge Afghanistan has(with Irland) the most green eyed people.

[Marmara]

Kuman/kipçak turkics probably most resemble to crimean tatars(genetically and appearance), maybe with more east asian admix(30-40%). Nowadays kipcaks are sometimes foreign influenced(slavic/finni ugric/mongolian). Also once read that some uzbek tribes are of kipcak origin, but i dont know how true that is.

Cumans were described to be blond and blue eyed, that's why light pigmentation is associated with Mamluk origin in Egypt.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/A_Mamluk_from_Aleppo.jpg/640px-A_Mamluk_from_Aleppo.jpg

[Bender1999]

Cumans were described to be blond and blue eyed, that's why light pigmentation is associated with Mamluk origin in Egypt.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/A_Mamluk_from_Aleppo.jpg/640px-A_Mamluk_from_Aleppo.jpg


So Cumans looked like Cüneyt Arkin...

Just kidding, there were probably many blond blue eyed cumans but were they really like this. Do you have sources?

[Egyptian]

In my knowledge Afghanistan has(with Irland) the most green eyed people.

Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Russia, Spain and Brazil have all had small populations of people with green eyes.

https://albertonrecord.co.za/246747/two-percent-population-green-eyes-certain-parts-world-not-rare/

[Marmara]

So Cumans looked like Cüneyt Arkin...

Just kidding, there were probably many blond blue eyed cumans but were they really like this. Do you have sources?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans


The Cumans were reported to have had blond hair, fair skin and blue eyes (which set them apart from other groups and later puzzled historians), although they were often distinguished by their Altaic-Mongoloid features.


In East Slavic languages and Polish, they are known as the Polovtsy, derived from the Slavic root *polvъ "pale; light yellow; blonde". Polovtsy or Polovec is often said to be derived from the Old East Slavic polovŭ "yellow; pale" by the Russians – all meaning "blond". The old Ukrainian word polovtsy (Пóловці), derived from polovo "straw" – means "blond, pale yellow". The western Cumans, or Polovtsy, were also called Sorochinetses by the Rus', – apparently derived from the Turkic sary chechle "yellow-haired". A similar etymology may have been at work in the name of the Śārī, who also migrated westward ahead of the Qun However, according to O. Suleymenov polovtsy may come from a Slavic word for "blue-eyed", i.e. the Serbo-Croatian plȃv (пла̑в) means "blue", but this word also means "fair, blonde" and is in fact a cognate of the above; cf. Eastern Slavic polovŭ, Russian polóvyj (поло́вый), Ukrainian polovýj (полови́й). An alternative etymology of Polovtsy is also possible: the Slavic root *pȍlje "field" (cf. Russian póle), which would therefore imply that Polovtsy were "men of the field" or "men of the steppe" in contrast to the Lipovtsi.

In Germanic languages, the Cumans were called Folban, Vallani or Valwe – all derivations of old Germanic words for "pale". In the German account by Adam of Bremen, and in Matthaios of Edessa, the Cumans were referred to as the "Blond Ones".

https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Radzivill_Chronicle_Cumans-570x310.jpg

[Kyp]

My family carries the green eyes, my father etc.
and we are of turkic origin.



Does it show in your Autosomal DNA? Have you done a test?

[Kamal900]

Except by the guy no. 8, not a single person in the photos looks remotely Turkish.

Guy number 6 looks NW European to me (Belgian or something).

Mustafa and Hussein Fahmey are of Circassian origins btw.

[Bender1999]

Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Russia, Spain and Brazil have all had small populations of people with green eyes.

https://albertonrecord.co.za/246747/two-percent-population-green-eyes-certain-parts-world-not-rare/

But proportional Afghans have the most. I dont say green eyes are of iranic origin but i would see a source or whatever which underlines the origin of that.

[Egyptian]

Does it show in your Autosomal DNA? Have you done a test?

No, not yet but a lot of us carry name (Agha).

[Egyptian]

Mustafa and Hussein Fahmey are of Circassian origins btw.

Yes, that's right.