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Ahaddad
06-20-2020, 07:18 PM
My friend dad is Christian from South Syria Border with Jordan and his mom is mixing of Tuscan and Spanish, by his admixture his Syrian side is Assyrian or arab ?


His results


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.69
2 West_Asian 17.57
3 West_Med 16.83
4 North_Atlantic 14.81
5 Red_Sea 8.23
6 Baltic 5.87
7 Sub-Saharan 1.49
8 Northeast_African 1.49
9 South_Asian 1.39
10 Amerindian 1.22
11 Oceanian 0.53
12 Siberian 0.47
13 East_Asian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 6.58
2 South_Italian 7.22
3 Central_Greek 7.52
4 Sephardic_Jewish 8.84
5 Ashkenazi 8.99
6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.11
7 West_Sicilian 10.33
8 Italian_Jewish 10.91
9 Algerian_Jewish 10.92
10 Tunisian_Jewish 11.7
11 Libyan_Jewish 12.24
12 Greek_Thessaly 13.09
13 Cyprian 13.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 14.39
15 Syrian 14.91
16 Turkish 15.12
17 Tuscan 16.28
18 Jordanian 18.05
19 Palestinian 18.87
20 Samaritan 19.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 37.4% Syrian @ 2.27
2 70.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 29.9% French @ 2.52
3 68.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 31.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.71
4 67.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 32.4% Portuguese @ 2.8
5 72% Lebanese_Muslim + 28% Southwest_French @ 2.8
6 69.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 30.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.86
7 58.3% Kurdish_Jewish + 41.7% Portuguese @ 2.9
8 71% Lebanese_Muslim + 29% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.95
9 59.2% Kurdish_Jewish + 40.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.95
10 60.3% Syrian + 39.7% North_Italian @ 2.96
11 67.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.6% Jordanian @ 2.99
12 69.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 30.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.02
13 67.4% Lebanese_Muslim + 32.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.05
14 61.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 38.8% North_Italian @ 3.17
15 68.6% Syrian + 31.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.18
16 69.5% Syrian + 30.5% French @ 3.25
17 58% Kurdish_Jewish + 42% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.26
18 72.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 27.4% South_Dutch @ 3.26
19 62.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 37.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.27
20 60% Kurdish_Jewish + 40% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.27


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Syrian +50% Tuscan @ 3.693053

Ahaddad
06-20-2020, 07:48 PM
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Sacrificed Ram
06-20-2020, 08:41 PM
This part is Judaizer, christianized jew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_Judaism#Decline_of_the_Hellenistai_and _partial_conversion_to_Christianity

Ahaddad
06-20-2020, 09:11 PM
This part is Judaizer, christianized jew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_Judaism#Decline_of_the_Hellenistai_and _partial_conversion_to_Christianity

He is half south european(Tuscan/Spain) and half middle eastern, I would know about his middle eastern side because I see that middle eastern mixing with european I know that fit close of Jewish From Europe.

Sacrificed Ram
06-20-2020, 11:06 PM
This old paper shows Lebanese Christians and Sephardic (maybe also including Mizhari) Jews are undifferentiated.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure/image?download&size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316.g002

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316

Probably is outdated.

StonyArabia
06-20-2020, 11:39 PM
In Syria there are several Christian communities some do have an ethnic Arabian origins and some that don’t. For example Assyrians and Aramaics, Greek speaking Christians called Rum, some trace their origins to the Arabian Ghassanids who had fled to the Levant from Ethiopian raids. Syria also host a small number of Bedouin Christians like Jordan, they are mostly Greek Orthodox who converted during Byzantine times. Some Bedouin Christian tribes are Al Twal, Akasheh, Hejazeen, clans of Banu Kalb, Banu Taghlib. However based on his results he seems to be just a Levantine Christian and not Assyrian.

Ahaddad
06-21-2020, 03:15 AM
In Syria there are several Christian communities some do have an ethnic Arabian origins and some that don’t. For example Assyrians and Aramaics, Greek speaking Christians called Rum, some trace their origins to the Arabian Ghassanids who had fled to the Levant from Ethiopian raids. Syria also host a small number of Bedouin Christians like Jordan, they are mostly Greek Orthodox who converted during Byzantine times. Some Bedouin Christian tribes are Al Twal, Akasheh, Hejazeen, clans of Banu Kalb, Banu Taghlib. However based on his results he seems to be just a Levantine Christian and not Assyrian.

Yes I know but by his results he is half Assyrian ? His family surname is common of ghassanids, el-chemor surname. By his results he is half Assyrian or half Syrian arab ?

StonyArabia
06-21-2020, 10:59 AM
Yes I know but by his results he is half Assyrian ? His family surname is common of ghassanids, el-chemor surname. By his results he is half Assyrian or half Syrian arab ?

If he is part Ghassanid then he is just a Syrian Christian. The Ghassanids were originally a south Arabian tribe who had fled from Yemen due to Ethiopian raids. However the Ghassanids had heavily intermixed with local Levantines that they genetically became Levantine. Most Ghassanid clans did not convert to Islam. Some Ghassanid also intermixed with the Byzantine nobility. Ghassanids also encouraged adoption of Christianity, unlike the Nabateans who were mostly pagan or adopted more of Jewish Christian sects. The Ghassanids actually reduced Nabatean influence in the Levant. Assyrians have a different genetic structure and are not Levantines but Mesopotamians. One Ghassanid clan converted to Islam and would provide wives from the Turko-Circassian Mamelukes of Egypt and the sultanate. The Mamelukes often got Arab wives to
legitimize their rule.

Ahaddad
06-21-2020, 04:30 PM
If he is part Ghassanid then he is just a Syrian Christian. The Ghassanids were originally a south Arabian tribe who had fled from Yemen due to Ethiopian raids. However the Ghassanids had heavily intermixed with local Levantines that they genetically became Levantine. Most Ghassanid clans did not convert to Islam. Some Ghassanid also intermixed with the Byzantine nobility. Ghassanids also encouraged adoption of Christianity, unlike the Nabateans who were mostly pagan or adopted more of Jewish Christian sects. The Ghassanids actually reduced Nabatean influence in the Levant. Assyrians have a different genetic structure and are not Levantines but Mesopotamians. One Ghassanid clan converted to Islam and would provide wives from the Turko-Circassian Mamelukes of Egypt and the sultanate. The Mamelukes often got Arab wives to
legitimize their rule.

Yes but by his admixture that I post what u think? Is half Assyrian or half Levantine ?

Lucas
06-21-2020, 11:17 PM
Some Bedouin Christian tribes are Al Twal, Akasheh, Hejazeen, clans of Banu Kalb, Banu Taghlib. However based on his results he seems to be just a Levantine Christian and not Assyrian.

They are still nomadic?

StonyArabia
06-21-2020, 11:36 PM
Yes but by his admixture that I post what u think? Is half Assyrian or half Levantine ?

Just Levantine


They are still nomadic?

Not anymore but the keep the Bedouin traditions, and are proud of their Arabian origins despite being Christian. They celebrate Xmas as their most important holiday, followed by Easter. They don’t have much hostility to their Muslim Bedouin counterparts. Their diet slightly differs to, since they drink alcohol.

Ahaddad
06-21-2020, 11:41 PM
Just Levantine

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Why you think The admixture that I post it’s half Levantine and not Assyrian, what element you see that fit hj
Not half Assyrian.

StonyArabia
06-21-2020, 11:46 PM
Why you think The admixture that I post it’s half Levantine and not Assyrian, what element you see that fit hj
Not half Assyrian.

He scores a lot of Levantine-Muslim an Assyrian would not.

Sacrificed Ram
06-22-2020, 12:03 AM
He scores a lot of Levantine-Muslim an Assyrian would not.

Probably he is discussing about it because recently Israel government created an ethnicity category called "aramean" that put syrian christians and assyrian christian together due they are aramaic speakers. It was criticized as attempt to divide christian arabs from muslim arabs in Israel (and Palestine).