Classify Indo Aryans of Punjab region vs Indo Aryans of Dardistan region

[AdinaBegKhan]

So it's very interesting that both Dards and Punjabis belong to the Indo-Aryna ethnolinguistic family but there are some significant observable phenotypical differences. What do you think changed or transpired with Indo-Aryan people to have changed so significantly when they migrated from Dard region to the Punjab region?


Dardic Indo-Aryans

1. Chitralis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDdZWK9ynps

2. Shin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKw0bfa4JMM

3. Kashmiri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADMQw6ucJXY


Punjabi Indo-Aryans

1. Jatts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg2Fai6KVNk

2. Arain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Br2tsdrMik

3. Gujjars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NGgkzbUa6M

[lameduck]

northern indo aryans have much less ASI , also more NE Euro , northern indo aryans are much more similar to pastuns than to one from plains

also mtdna is also different kho and shinas have lots of steppe mtdna

while jatts have lots of local mtdna which imply marriage of steppe women with dark asi infleunced local women resulting in modern diversity.

[lameduck]

also climate adaptation

[Mingle]

Kashmiris are genetically/phenotypically almost the same as Punjabis and not like most Dardics genetically. In fact, Kashmiris have slightly more South Eurasian (ASI) DNA than Arains, Gujjars, and Jatts do on average.

Dardic isn't even a proper linguistic term by the way. It's just used to refer to any Indo-Aryan language not descended from Prakrit. "Dardic languages" are basically as linguistically distant from one another as they are from Prakrit (mainstream) Indo-Aryan.

[Avicenna]

Out of the 3 the chitralis are the most northern and western shifted . For the most they look indistinguishable from pashtuns it's so weird lool. The Kashmiri guy is extremely atypical but nonetheless very cool phenotype, looks very European . The shin fellas look like a mixture Punjabi jatt/gujjar + kho etc .

[Zoro]

All the ones you showed jatts, arains, gujjars, kashmiris and throw in there pakistani pashtuns are phenotype indistinguishable from each other and seem to have similar IVC

and many can even pass as afghan pashtuns especially chitralis and by extension some can easily pass as kurds too

[Kaazi]

It looks like Kashmiris are the most Indid shifted except for the Euro guy. The Chitralis also have some Indid. Strangely, the Punjabi Gujjar village doesn't look like it's in India tbh.

[Avicenna]

All the ones you showed jatts, arains, gujjars, kashmiris and throw in there pakistani pashtuns are phenotype indistinguishable from each other and seem to have similar IVC

and many can even pass as afghan pashtuns especially chitralis and by extension some can easily pass as kurds too

The latter group plus shins and Kashmiris shown in that video do not look pakistani pashtun at all bro let alone indistinguishable. The chitralis for the most part look almost identical to Pakistani pashtuns in that same region .

[Zoro]

The latter group plus shins and Kashmiris shown in that video do not look pakistani pashtun at all bro let alone indistinguishable. The chitralis for the most part look almost identical to Pakistani pashtuns in that same region .


Well i’m not able to show you what i mean because it would take too much time to dig through videos but what i can say is give me any of those and i can always find a pakistani padhtun that resembles them. For now let’s agree to disagree

[Avicenna]

Well i’m not able to show you what i mean because it would take too much time to dig through videos but what i can say is give me any of those and i can always find a pakistani padhtun that resembles them. For now let’s agree to disagree

I don't think you can find any Pakistani tribal pashtun that would look like that. You would find it more likely among urban pakistani pashtuns especially from peshwar , swat and regions adjacent to Punjab and kohistan. To say they look indistinguishable is quite a stretch to the say the least and completley ignores the diversity in that region . There's nothing to agree imo .

[Zoro]

I don't think you can find any Pakistani tribal pashtun that would look like that. You would find it more likely among urban pakistani pashtuns especially from peshwar , swat and regions adjacent to Punjab and kohistan. To say they look indistinguishable is quite a stretch to the say the least and completley ignores the diversity in that region . There's nothing to agree imo .

Yeah I never said tribal. I see them in dramas, movies and documentaries from some of the cities you mentioned including the cities bordering punjab. The avg phenotype of those is clearly different from the avg phenotype of Afghan pashtuns. Even their DNA results are sometimes indistinguishable from some punjabis. They’re probably admixed with punjabis. Similarly alot of the so called punjabis from bigger cities in punjab are clearly 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation pashtuns. It’s all good bro.

[Zoro]

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[Avicenna]

Yeah I never said tribal. I see them in dramas, movies and documentaries from some of the cities you mentioned including the cities bordering punjab. The avg phenotype of those is clearly different from the avg phenotype of Afghan pashtuns. Even their DNA results are sometimes indistinguishable from some punjabis. They’re probably admixed with punjabis. Similarly alot of the so called punjabis from bigger cities in punjab are clearly 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation pashtuns. It’s all good bro.

This I agree with bro . You are right , Pakistani pashtun imo is more of a ethno linguistic term among urban populations , many do seem very admixed with their neoghbour groups , which is not out of the norm . You would see more typical pashtun phenotypes and almost a lack of indid influence the further west you go towards the FATA regions .

[Mingle]

Yeah I never said tribal. I see them in dramas, movies and documentaries from some of the cities you mentioned including the cities bordering punjab. The avg phenotype of those is clearly different from the avg phenotype of Afghan pashtuns. Even their DNA results are sometimes indistinguishable from some punjabis. They’re probably admixed with punjabis. Similarly alot of the so called punjabis from bigger cities in punjab are clearly 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation pashtuns. It’s all good bro.

Genetically they're very much distinct, even when comparing extremes. Only a few odd individuals would show similarity. I'm from a district bordering Punjab and genetically distinct to them. Maybe only some Pashtuns from Hazara and to a lesser extent Peshawar (city) are mixed with Punjabis. In Pakistan, Pashtuns and Punjabis both perceive themselves as looking distinct to one another (with some overlap) for a reason. In Islamabad, there are lots of Pashtuns and Punjabis, and you can often distinguish them without hearing them speak.

[Norb]

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[Ülev]

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[Mingle]

This I agree with bro . You are right , Pakistani pashtun imo is more of a ethno linguistic term among urban populations , many do seem very admixed with their neoghbour groups , which is not out of the norm . You would see more typical pashtun phenotypes and almost a lack of indid influence the further west you go towards the FATA regions .

I've seen dozens of samples from different parts of KPK (including ex-FATA) and haven't seen any difference between the western and eastern part, not even a small one. Most of North KPK and East AFG is the same. With Swat, there's marginally more South Asian genetic influence but that's cause it's further north rather than further east.

[Mingle]

Double

[Avicenna]

I've seen dozens of samples from different parts of KPK (including ex-FATA) and haven't seen any difference between the western and eastern part, not even a small one. Most of North KPK and East AFG is the same. With Swat, there's marginally more South Asian genetic influence but that's cause it's further north rather than further east.

I agree, it's a bit complicated comparing autosmal results based on calculators . It's a melting pot when it comes to Afghanistan I think sometimes . Pashtuns from eastern Afghanistan like khost , paktia , logar seem to similar to southern pashtuns but more steppe shifted + less eastern eurasian shifted . Pashtuns from laghman, kunar , nangarhar , nuristan seem to be on a gradual Cline with their brethren from the other side of the border. Ofourse , urban Pak pashtuns would seem more deviant to this since I do genuinely believe many have been mixed recently.

[lameduck]

Yeah I never said tribal. I see them in dramas, movies and documentaries from some of the cities you mentioned including the cities bordering punjab. The avg phenotype of those is clearly different from the avg phenotype of Afghan pashtuns. Even their DNA results are sometimes indistinguishable from some punjabis. They’re probably admixed with punjabis. Similarly alot of the so called punjabis from bigger cities in punjab are clearly 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation pashtuns. It’s all good bro.

rural punjabis have more occurance of irano afghan type phenotype than urban punjanbis

[Chaos One]

Well, it's clear that Chitralis, Gilgitis, Shina/Kho etc tend to have less ASI since they are far more isolated. People usually consider Pamiris as the most "Euro looking" people from Asia, but groups like Burusho or Wakhi (well, they are Pamiri anyway) aren't that different.

Still, IMO it's clear thar Kashmiri people are different from them, probably closer to other North Indian groups.

[Avicenna]

Well, it's clear that Chitralis, Gilgitis, Shina/Kho etc tend to have less ASI since they are far more isolated. People usually consider Pamiris as the most "Euro looking" people from Asia, but groups like Burusho or Wakhi (well, they are Pamiri anyway) aren't that different.

Still, IMO it's clear thar Kashmiri people are different from them, probably closer to other North Indian groups.

Burushos are quite different to pamiris my friend . They score much higher ASI too . Chitralis look very similar to pashtuns within their regions , they also score pretty much the same in gedmatch. Pamiris lack completley indid influenced phentypes .

[lameduck]

Well, it's clear that Chitralis, Gilgitis, Shina/Kho etc tend to have less ASI since they are far more isolated. People usually consider Pamiris as the most "Euro looking" people from Asia, but groups like Burusho or Wakhi (well, they are Pamiri anyway) aren't that different.

Still, IMO it's clear thar Kashmiri people are different from them, probably closer to other North Indian groups.

pamiris are very small group , while gilgit baltistan alone has population of 3 million , add to this other such groups scattered in north pak and east afghanistan , it will become a popualtion of a small country of its own

[AdinaBegKhan]

It looks like Kashmiris are the most Indid shifted except for the Euro guy. The Chitralis also have some Indid. Strangely, the Punjabi Gujjar village doesn't look like it's in India tbh.

Yeah same appear to me as well, it says in the title that it's indian village but they look like from a pakistani 'kachi abadi' near lahore or faisalabad imo

[Zoro]

I'm from a district bordering Punjab and genetically distinct to them.

What tribe are you and which region are you referring to

Here's why I don't have much faith in Gedmatch calculators.

Everyone knows that all Eurasians whether European or E Asian share common ancestors with each other when the left Africa. In other words they split Europeans split from E. Asians much after Europeans/E.Asians split from Africans.

Therefore logic would dictate that Europeans should have less distance to E. Asians including American Indians than Europeans to Somalis and Sub-Saharans.

Well if you go to Vahuado and let's say pick Eurogenes K13 or MDLP or Dodecad calcualtors pop averages and copy paste let's say Estonians average to the Target and see the distances from Estonians.

Oddly you'll get this. I'm not picking on Eurogenes the other ones show that also even the G25. The reason is that these DNA companies genotype useless SNPs that are ancestral to all humans including Africans, Asians, and Europeans and these calculator makers don't bother removing them when they make calculators that's why you are seeing these results that don't make sense.

Try it on your own computer and you'll see



Distance to:
Polish


Eurogenes K13 original spredsheet




4.26261657
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4.57650522
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4.69146033
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103.86309787
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104.96610358
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105.95063615
Dai


109.76192327
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110.23399566
Yoruban


113.60853929
Karitiana

[Zoro]

I mean how can Poles be closer to Hadza and Mbuti than Poles are to other Eurasians like Dai and Pima. Like I said it's not just Eurogenes. MDLP, Dodecad and Punt and Gedrosia (maybe a little less with K12) have the same problem.

[Chaos One]

Burushos are quite different to pamiris my friend . They score much higher ASI too . Chitralis look very similar to pashtuns within their regions , they also score pretty much the same in gedmatch. Pamiris lack completley indid influenced phentypes .

I don't think Pamiris do lack Indid types. In fact people tend to use same old pictures of them being "almost totally white", but it's impossible to think that even common Tajiks can be found with Indid influenced phenos (like Sadriddin Najmiddin) while Pamiris will be always more euro-oriented.

Like this pic here, students of Khorog university, Gorno-Badakhshan:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCKm9AX4AI3807.jpg

As we can see, saying that at least one or two here would pass in North India wouldn't be an absurd.

[Avicenna]

I don't think Pamiris do lack Indid types. In fact people tend to use same old pictures of them being "almost totally white", but it's impossible to think that even common Tajiks can be found with Indid influenced phenos (like Sadriddin Najmiddin) while Pamiris will be always more euro-oriented.

Like this pic here, students of Khorog university, Gorno-Badakhshan:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCKm9AX4AI3807.jpg

As we can see, saying that at least one or two here would pass in North India wouldn't be an absurd.

Bro come onn, youve posted a picture from a group of uni students in gorno badakhshan .how can you be so sure they are all pamiris ? Sadriddin is a Tajik but not pamiri Tajik my friend . He also doesnt look indid either imo.

These are pamiris

https://i.imgur.com/5zKB9zP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/elxzPHK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vJyuHWK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Pld92SD.jpg

[AdinaBegKhan]

Really splitting hair at this point, all of these are Aryans:

The Aryans originally are said to have formed as a distinguishable culture at the Central Asian steppes north of the Caspian Sea as the Sintashta culture (2100–1800 BCE), in what is today Kazakhstan, and developed further as the Andronovo culture (1800–1400 BCE) around the Aral Sea. The Aryans then migrated southwards to the Bactria-Margiana Culture, from which they borrowed their distinctive religious beliefs and practices. The Aryans then split into two groups sometime between 1800 BCE to 1600 BCE in Bactria. One group migrated in a south-eastward direction over the Hindu Kush Mountains and into the Indus Valley via the Khyber Pass, while the other migrated in a southwestern direction and settled on the Iranian plateau.

The Aryan migrations was part of a slow diffusion of Indo-European people from the Pontic–Caspian steppe towards the Indus Valley that continued for hundreds of years from 1800 BCE until approximately 1500 BCE. By then, a unique culture had formed by the merging of Aryan people and culture with the remnants of the Harappan people and culture, giving rise to Indo-Aryan people, Indo-Aryan culture (Vedic civilization) and Indo-Aryan language (Vedic Sanskrit). There is strong evidence to suggest the Indo-Aryans may have adopted and absorbed much of the remnants of the Indus Harappan culture.

So what I got from the discussion is that the Punjabi Indo-Aryans have absorbed more Indus Valley remnant culture and people compared to their brethren who stayed up in the mountains (Chitralis, Pamiris, Pashtuns etc)

[AdinaBegKhan]

I don't think Pamiris do lack Indid types. In fact people tend to use same old pictures of them being "almost totally white", but it's impossible to think that even common Tajiks can be found with Indid influenced phenos (like Sadriddin Najmiddin) while Pamiris will be always more euro-oriented.

Like this pic here, students of Khorog university, Gorno-Badakhshan:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCKm9AX4AI3807.jpg

As we can see, saying that at least one or two here would pass in North India wouldn't be an absurd.

To be honest my italian, moroccan, colonial brazilian friend, you can EASILY pass in Punjab (acturally everywhere in Pakistan) . Phenotypical influences doesn't denote ancestral genes. Only Aryans that are indid influenced are the ones that absorbed Harappan people by migrating southwards from Hindukush and Karakoram mountains, whereas Harappan people never migrated up from the Indus Valley.

[AdinaBegKhan]

I don't think Pamiris do lack Indid types. In fact people tend to use same old pictures of them being "almost totally white", but it's impossible to think that even common Tajiks can be found with Indid influenced phenos (like Sadriddin Najmiddin) while Pamiris will be always more euro-oriented.

Like this pic here, students of Khorog university, Gorno-Badakhshan:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqCKm9AX4AI3807.jpg

As we can see, saying that at least one or two here would pass in North India wouldn't be an absurd.

To be honest my italian, moroccan, colonial brazilian friend, you can EASILY pass in Punjab (acturally everywhere in Pakistan) . Phenotypical influences doesn't denote ancestral genes. Only Aryans that are indid influenced are the ones that absorbed Harappan people by migrating southwards from Hindukush and Karakoram mountains, whereas Harappan people never migrated up from the Indus Valley.

[Chaos One]

Bro come onn, youve posted a picture from a group of uni students in gorno badakhshan .how can you be so sure they are all pamiris ? Sadriddin is a Tajik but not pamiri Tajik my friend . He also doesnt look indid either imo.

These are pamiris

Well, I really doubt that people from Dushanbe would go too far as Khorog to study. Khorog itself is the biggest city in all Badakhshan area, and most people living there are Shugnan Pamiris.

Still, of course there're Pamiri people who look like those you send on pics. They are the majority, but isn't impossible to find people there with Indid influences.


To be honest my italian, moroccan, colonial brazilian friend, you can EASILY pass in Punjab (acturally everywhere in Pakistan) . Phenotypical influences doesn't denote ancestral genes. Only Aryans that are indid influenced are the ones that absorbed Harappan people by migrating southwards from Hindukush and Karakoram mountains, whereas Harappan people never migrated up from the Indus Valley.

Yup, I know I can pass in Pakistan. Still, I do think some people would find me a bit more "asian" than a common Pakistani.

[AdinaBegKhan]

Well, I really doubt that people from Dushanbe would go too far as Khorog to study. Khorog itself is the biggest city in all Badakhshan area, and most people living there are Shugnan Pamiris.

Still, of course there're Pamiri people who look like those you send on pics. They are the majority, but isn't impossible to find people there with Indid influences.



Yup, I know I can pass in Pakistan. Still, I do think some people would find me a bit more "asian" than a common Pakistani.

I mean we have some very little but some asiatic influence via timurids, mughals, ghaznavid, mamluks, turk shahi, qarlughids. So the little bit of asianess you have will be brushed off as the remnant from those eras, you can pass as pashtun, baloch or a punjabi mughals or a jatt.

[Avicenna]

Well, I really doubt that people from Dushanbe would go too far as Khorog to study. Khorog itself is the biggest city in all Badakhshan area, and most people living there are Shugnan Pamiris.

Still, of course there're Pamiri people who look like those you send on pics. They are the majority, but isn't impossible to find people there with Indid influences.



Yup, I know I can pass in Pakistan. Still, I do think some people would find me a bit more "asian" than a common Pakistani.

I wouldn't even say the people you posted were indid influenced to begin with tbh.

[Chaos One]

I mean we have some very little but some asiatic influence via timurids, mughals, ghaznavid, mamluks, turk shahi, qarlughids. So the little bit of asianess you have will be brushed off as the remnant from those eras, you can pass as pashtun, baloch or a punjabi mughals or a jatt.

In fact if we use all Pakistan groups I pass better as Burusho/Wakhi. I do even look like one guy from Gilgit lol

[AdinaBegKhan]

In fact if we use all Pakistan groups I pass better as Burusho/Wakhi. I do even look like one guy from Gilgit lol

Lol actually that's quite true. You look like a younger version of my burusho ex-girl's dad imo.

[Chaos One]

Lol actually that's quite true. You look like a younger version of my burusho ex-girl's dad imo.

In fact using all my matches regarding South Central Asian groups, the biggest number of matches I do have are Burusho people (but the biggest are Uzbek and Tajik, beyond 10cM).

[AdinaBegKhan]

In fact using all my matches regarding South Central Asian groups, the biggest number of matches I do have are Burusho people (but the biggest are Uzbek and Tajik, beyond 10cM).

Uzbek? That's interesting you don't look Turkic, you look super north african but if I have classify you from my region, I will classify you as some one from Upper Indus region tbh

[tipirneni]

In fact using all my matches regarding South Central Asian groups, the biggest number of matches I do have are Burusho people (but the biggest are Uzbek and Tajik, beyond 10cM).

What is your South Central Asian connection ?

[Chaos One]

Uzbek? That's interesting you don't look Turkic, you look super north african but if I have classify you from my region, I will classify you as some one from Upper Indus region tbh

In fact most North African users said that I do look Central Asian lol

Plus, I already went to Central Asia and people thought I was local like 99% - so weird that even a cop was surprised when I said I was a tourist.


What is your South Central Asian connection ?

It seems I do have one Great Great Grandfather who was Central Asian. In fact I started all genetic tests and everything to find my North African and Central Asian ancestors...so since I had few info about it, I started doing One-to-One matches netween all South Asian and Central Asian groups, and most matches are related to Uzbek, Tajik, Pamiri and Burusho.

[AdinaBegKhan]

In fact most North African users said that I do look Central Asian lol

Plus, I already went to Central Asia and people thought I was local like 99% - so weird that even a cop was surprised when I said I was a tourist.



It seems I do have one Great Great Grandfather who was Central Asian. In fact I started all genetic tests and everything to find my North African and Central Asian ancestors...so since I had few info about it, I started doing One-to-One matches netween all South Asian and Central Asian groups, and most matches are related to Uzbek, Tajik, Pamiri and Burusho.

Ok now it makes total sense. If you ever come to Pakistan, just don on local clothing (Shalwar Kameez, Wasket, Pakhol) and you will blend in so well :D

[Thambi]

I wouldn't even say the people you posted were indid influenced to begin with tbh.

some of those folks that chaos posted could pass in northern south asia tbh. especially couple of the guys. the girl as well to the right.

[Mortimer]

I didnt watched the videos but quick question. Where would this roma brother marius tudor pass? He looks quiete roma thats why I ask.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71971947_762056860921688_6353250404611915776_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=Tl3nLV8VqwYAX9GbFhy&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1fbe7ddd8f903cef1105de777b5d9215&oe=5F1F8826

[AdinaBegKhan]

I didnt watched the videos but quick question. Where would this roma brother marius tudor pass? He looks quiete roma thats why I ask.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71971947_762056860921688_6353250404611915776_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=Tl3nLV8VqwYAX9GbFhy&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1fbe7ddd8f903cef1105de777b5d9215&oe=5F1F8826

Punjab and Sindh in Pakistan

[lameduck]

I didnt watched the videos but quick question. Where would this roma brother marius tudor pass? He looks quiete roma thats why I ask.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71971947_762056860921688_6353250404611915776_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=Tl3nLV8VqwYAX9GbFhy&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=1fbe7ddd8f903cef1105de777b5d9215&oe=5F1F8826

looks like pakistani dude

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/indiaabroad.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/ff/7ffcfb0e-362b-11e9-92fe-f78b7527a402/5c6f2c4cf0100.image.jpg?resize=750%2C422

[Avicenna]

some of those folks that chaos posted could pass in northern south asia tbh. especially couple of the guys. the girl as well to the right.

Ah yes I see it . I highly doubt they are all pamiris , pamiris have a distinct look and they are uni students so they could be from anywhere

[AdinaBegKhan]

Ah yes I see it . I highly doubt they are all pamiris , pamiris have a distinct look and they are uni students so they could be from anywhere

This is true, some of those folks look super indid influenced to be from Pamirs. As a side note: all the indic looks in the Indus Valley and in the upper regions connecting with the indus (pamirs, karakoram, hindukush) are coming from the Harappan people and there were no harappan people in the Pamirs therefore no indic looks in the pamirs.

[Avicenna]

This is true, some of those folks look super indid influenced to be from Pamirs. As a side note: all the indic looks in the Indus Valley and in the upper regions connecting with the indus (pamirs, karakoram, hindukush) are coming from the Harappan people and there were no harappan people in the Pamirs therefore no indic looks in the pamirs.

The university is the university of Central Asia and they have 3 main campuses , one of them being in the gorno badakhshan region . So yeah they could very well be foreign students too in the mix. I dont think pamiris have any indid influence at all .

[AdinaBegKhan]

The university is the university of Central Asia and they have 3 main campuses , one of them being in the gorno badakhshan region . So yeah they could very well be foreign students too in the mix. I dont think pamiris have any indid influence at all .

Yes I think the same. Where are you from BTW?