Very interesting Hungarian Myheritage result

[Chris596]

Such a mix according to Myheritage! Probably one of the most Asian results I've seen from a Hungarian. What do you think about it? I don't know how to interpret these results.

Apricity members, or mixed race members, would you consider this person as a mixed race individual? Especially if you know they are Hungarian (ethnically) ?

https://i.imgur.com/w3T4Zr1.png

Europe 85,7%


East-Europe 71,4%

Baltic 35,0%
East European 20,1%
Balkan 16,3%


South-Europe 10,9%

Iberian 9,0%
Italian 1,9%


North and West Europe 3,4%

Scandinavian 3,4%


Asia 14,3%

West-Asia 13,3%
Mizrahi Jewish - Iranian/Iraqi 11,0%
West-Asian 2,3%
South-Asia 1,0%



Edit: GEDMATCH SCORES

EUROGENES K13

1 Baltic 33.83
2 North_Atlantic 20.55
3 East_Med 14.3
4 West_Med 13.88
5 West_Asian 9.54
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Amerindian 1.62
8 Red_Sea 1.03
9 Oceanian 0.95
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Siberian 0.56
12 Sub-Saharan 0.0

[Terminator98]

European castizo xD

[Aspirin]

Seems to be Jewish admixed.

[Scandal]

He's not mixed race. His "asian" admixture is caucasoid from west asia. He's probably not even fully hungarian by ancestry.

[Chris596]

GEDmatch results coming soon.

[El_Abominacion]

Honestly, with MH being so awful I struggle to take any of their estimates seriously. Does this person have a GEDmatch?

[Seya]

He’s not mixed race. He has 0% east asian and 0% ssa. Based on this results he seems jewish. He could also have a ME grandparent but i go with jewish ancestry

[Chris596]

I'm also thinking about Armenian ancestry (probably not, but it could be). There is a small Armenian diaspora in Hungary. GEDmatch results are coming soon, I'm just waiting for her answer.

[Chris596]

This person has also a half-sister, but she got quite different results, no Asian. Their mother is the same, so probably one of the fathers was Jewish or something else.

[Chris596]

Honestly, with MH being so awful I struggle to take any of their estimates seriously. Does this person have a GEDmatch?

I agree they are pretty retarded especially for me (they were right about the East European ancestry but that's it). I believe in GEDmatch more. Her results are on the way. I'm really curious if she will get the same proportion of European on GEDmatch and I'm especially interested in her West and East Asian/Siberian scores.


He’s not mixed race. He has 0% east asian and 0% ssa. Based on this results he seems jewish. He could also have a ME grandparent but i go with jewish ancestry

I see what you mean. Someone who is entirely Caucasoid is not mixed race. Maybe not when mixed with South Asian, but that's it.

[Scandal]

I agree they are pretty retarded especially for me

Why do you think that? Your myheritage was almost fully balkan if i remember correctly. Gedmatch showed you are closest to south slavs who live on balkans.

[dududud]

Gedmatch?

[Chris596]

Why do you think that? Your myheritage was almost fully balkan if i remember correctly. Gedmatch showed you are closest to south slavs.

Yes it's true, my ancestry is anywhere between 88%-95% from the Balkans. This is why I said they were right about this, but they said I was Jewish while that is also impossible. When I uploaded my new data they said I'm more than 90% East European / Balkan and I got a little all over from Asia which is more realistic.

Some GEDmatch calculators also model my ancestry like this, so I believe in it, here's MY puntDNAL K13 Global results (THESE ARE MY RESULTS, THE OTHER PERSON'S RESULTS ARE COMING SOON)

1 77% English + 23% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.1
2 88% Croatian + 12% Nogay @ 2.18
3 91.8% Croatian + 8.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.31
4 74.7% Orcadian + 25.3% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.32
5 77.6% Belgian + 22.4% Kumyk @ 2.38
6 76% Utahn_European + 24% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.41
7 79.3% English + 20.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.42
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Naxi @ 2.42
9 74.2% Irish + 25.8% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.44
10 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Xibo @ 2.44
11 75.1% Irish + 24.9% Turkish @ 2.45
12 77.9% English + 22.1% Turkish @ 2.45
13 76.7% Irish + 23.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.46
14 74.4% Utahn_European + 25.6% Turkish @ 2.47
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Han_North_China @ 2.47
16 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Han_South_China @ 2.47
17 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.47
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Korean @ 2.48
19 90.5% Croatian + 9.5% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.48
20 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Miaozu @ 2.48

Sometimes these models work very well for me because of my homogeneous ancestry.

[Leto]

Not mixed race to me. But probably a bit Woggistani by the looks of it.

[Aren]

Can’t be Jewish he would score Ashkenazi then, not Mizrahi from Iraq who are very different.

[Aren]

Can’t be Jewish he would score Ashkenazi then, not Mizrahi from Iraq who are very different.

[Chris596]

Can’t be Jewish he would score Ashkenazi then, not Mizrahi from Iraq who are very different.

You have a point there. If I know it correctly, there are 4 main types of Jewish groups (ethnically). European Ashkenazi, Sephardis, Mizrahi and I don't know the name of the other group.

I guess she just has a strong Middle Eastern ancestry, this is why Myheritage detects it as Mizrahi Jewish (but I don't know how, I've seen some Hungarians who look a bit like Middle Easterners, but they are also rare. And there are people like me, who look a bit like Siberians/East Asians so I guess it's just diversity in a single population.

There is no such thing as ,,Hungarian gene'' anyway.

[Mortimer]

How did you found this person did she told you her ancestors

[CommonSense]

Yes it's true, my ancestry is anywhere between 88%-95% from the Balkans. This is why I said they were right about this, but they said I was Jewish while that is also impossible. When I uploaded my new data they said I'm more than 90% East European / Balkan and I got a little all over from Asia which is more realistic.

Some GEDmatch calculators also model my ancestry like this, so I believe in it, here's MY puntDNAL K13 Global results (THESE ARE MY RESULTS, THE OTHER PERSON'S RESULTS ARE COMING SOON)

1 77% English + 23% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.1
2 88% Croatian + 12% Nogay @ 2.18
3 91.8% Croatian + 8.2% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.31
4 74.7% Orcadian + 25.3% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.32
5 77.6% Belgian + 22.4% Kumyk @ 2.38
6 76% Utahn_European + 24% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.41
7 79.3% English + 20.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.42
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Naxi @ 2.42
9 74.2% Irish + 25.8% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.44
10 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Xibo @ 2.44
11 75.1% Irish + 24.9% Turkish @ 2.45
12 77.9% English + 22.1% Turkish @ 2.45
13 76.7% Irish + 23.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.46
14 74.4% Utahn_European + 25.6% Turkish @ 2.47
15 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Han_North_China @ 2.47
16 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Han_South_China @ 2.47
17 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.47
18 96.6% Bosnian + 3.4% Korean @ 2.48
19 90.5% Croatian + 9.5% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.48
20 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Miaozu @ 2.48

Sometimes these models work very well for me because of my homogeneous ancestry.

Those oracles don't mean anything really. It's because puntdnal K13 gives everyone increased Asian noise. For example, this is what I myself score:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.8
2 SW_Europe 31.11
3 West_Asia 16.19
4 SW_Asia 7.02
5 SE_Asia 1.29
6 Oceania 1.1
7 NE_Asia 0.87
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 South_Africa 0.59
10 Siberia 0.2
11 Americas 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 3.75
2 Moldavian 4.33
3 Serbian 4.48
4 Croatian 5.8
5 Montenegrin 6.33
6 Romanian 6.87
7 Hungarian 7.37
8 Slovene 7.49
9 Slovak 8.63
10 Macedonian 9.13
11 Bulgarian 9.14
12 German_South 9.89
13 Belgian 10.95
14 English 11.01
15 French 11.26
16 Scottish 11.74
17 Orcadian 12.27
18 Irish 12.41
19 German_North 12.58
20 Utahn_European 12.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.6% Bosnian + 4.4% Thai @ 1.95
2 95.8% Bosnian + 4.2% Cambodian @ 2.03
3 96.1% Bosnian + 3.9% Malayan @ 2.08
4 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Visayan @ 2.11
5 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.2
6 92.8% Bosnian + 7.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.27
7 83.1% Slovene + 16.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Filipino @ 2.28
9 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Vietnamese @ 2.28
10 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Luzon @ 2.28
11 81.8% Slovene + 18.2% Turkish @ 2.3
12 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Dai @ 2.32
13 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Lahu @ 2.34
14 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dusun @ 2.35
15 94.2% Bosnian + 5.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.35
16 72.2% German_North + 27.8% Turkish @ 2.37
17 84.4% Slovene + 15.6% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.38
18 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Murut @ 2.39
19 81.5% Hungarian + 18.5% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.41
20 92.5% Bosnian + 7.5% Tadjik @ 2.43

[Chris596]

How did you found this person did she told you her ancestors

We found each other in a Facebook group, discussing about ancestry and DNA testing. She told me that she doesn't know much about her ancestors (like me) and this is why she took a DNA test. This was about 1 month ago, we talked a little every day, today she received her results. I'm just waiting for her to be online again so I can share some of her GEDmatch results.

You, Mortimer as a European-Asian, do you think this is Middle Eastern ancestry or something else?

[Mortimer]

We found each other in a Facebook group, discussing about ancestry and DNA testing. She told me that she doesn't know much about her ancestors (like me) and this is why she took a DNA test. This was about 1 month ago, we talked a little every day, today she received her results. I'm just waiting for her to be online again so I can share some of her GEDmatch results.

You, Mortimer as a European-Asian, do you think this is Middle Eastern ancestry or something else?

It says middle east wait for the gedmatch but it does say middle east

[Mortimer]

We found each other in a Facebook group, discussing about ancestry and DNA testing. She told me that she doesn't know much about her ancestors (like me) and this is why she took a DNA test. This was about 1 month ago, we talked a little every day, today she received her results. I'm just waiting for her to be online again so I can share some of her GEDmatch results.

You, Mortimer as a European-Asian, do you think this is Middle Eastern ancestry or something else?

It says middle east wait for the gedmatch but it does say middle east

[Chris596]

Those oracles don't mean anything really. It's because puntdnal K13 gives everyone increased Asian noise. For example, this is what I myself score:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 40.8
2 SW_Europe 31.11
3 West_Asia 16.19
4 SW_Asia 7.02
5 SE_Asia 1.29
6 Oceania 1.1
7 NE_Asia 0.87
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 South_Africa 0.59
10 Siberia 0.2
11 Americas 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 3.75
2 Moldavian 4.33
3 Serbian 4.48
4 Croatian 5.8
5 Montenegrin 6.33
6 Romanian 6.87
7 Hungarian 7.37
8 Slovene 7.49
9 Slovak 8.63
10 Macedonian 9.13
11 Bulgarian 9.14
12 German_South 9.89
13 Belgian 10.95
14 English 11.01
15 French 11.26
16 Scottish 11.74
17 Orcadian 12.27
18 Irish 12.41
19 German_North 12.58
20 Utahn_European 12.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.6% Bosnian + 4.4% Thai @ 1.95
2 95.8% Bosnian + 4.2% Cambodian @ 2.03
3 96.1% Bosnian + 3.9% Malayan @ 2.08
4 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Visayan @ 2.11
5 96% Bosnian + 4% Burmese @ 2.2
6 92.8% Bosnian + 7.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.27
7 83.1% Slovene + 16.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.28
8 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Filipino @ 2.28
9 96.3% Bosnian + 3.7% Vietnamese @ 2.28
10 96.5% Bosnian + 3.5% Luzon @ 2.28
11 81.8% Slovene + 18.2% Turkish @ 2.3
12 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Dai @ 2.32
13 96.4% Bosnian + 3.6% Lahu @ 2.34
14 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Dusun @ 2.35
15 94.2% Bosnian + 5.8% Afghan_Hazara @ 2.35
16 72.2% German_North + 27.8% Turkish @ 2.37
17 84.4% Slovene + 15.6% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.38
18 96.7% Bosnian + 3.3% Murut @ 2.39
19 81.5% Hungarian + 18.5% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.41
20 92.5% Bosnian + 7.5% Tadjik @ 2.43


Ohh okay lol, I didn't know this. Interesting. But in most calculators I get 25% Turkish or Nogai in 4 populations Oracles. Do you also get that? I'm asking out of curiosity. On Vahaduo I plot quite close to some Balkan Turks as well.

[Chris596]

Those oracles don't mean anything really. It's because puntdnal K13 gives everyone increased Asian noise. For example, this is what I myself score:


I see that you posted some Oracles from PuntDNAL K15. Here are mine:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 2.545547

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Serbian @ 2.545547

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Polish +25% Basque +25% Balkar @ 1.927733

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Utahn_White + Basque + Balkar @ 1.705884
or
4 Lithuanian + Swedish + Basque + Turk_Istanbul @ 1.762570
or
15 Lithuanian + Utahn_White + Basque + Kumyk @ 1.948860

etc.

But this thread is not about me lol. Her GEDmatch scores will be shared probably today.

[Dr_Maul]

It is interesting result but without GEDmatch its kinda worthless tbh I really doubt this person would have a Mizrahi ancestor as they are usually not found outside of Iran, Azerbiajan, Israel, as well as the Caucasus/Central Asia. Hard to say really but considering MyHeritage isn't really reliable idk

[CommonSense]

Ohh okay lol, I didn't know this. Interesting. But in most calculators I get 25% Turkish or Nogai in 4 populations Oracles. Do you also get that? I'm asking out of curiosity. On Vahaduo I plot quite close to some Balkan Turks as well.

I don't get Nogai, but I get Turkish or Armenian and Caucasian in some of them. Usually in context like 80% Czech + 20% Turkish/Armenian.

[Hungarian_master]

Interesting results!

Could you post pitcures about her?

[Chris596]

Interesting results!

Could you post pitcures about her?

I will try :) but first I need her permission. We discussed about more sites, will post other results as well, not just GEDmatch.

[Luke35]

Let's see what her GEDmatch looks like. MH can be quite wacky.

Take me for example, I get 8% Anatolian on FTDNA and 3% Arabic on LivingDNA, whereas overall my GEDmatch results don't support those findings. Not in Eurogenes anyway.

Perhaps a Jewish great-grandparent in her case. Obviously most of her result fits Hungarian.

[Chris596]

Let's see what her GEDmatch looks like. MH can be quite wacky.

Take me for example, I get 8% Anatolian on FTDNA and 3% Arabic on LivingDNA, whereas overall my GEDmatch results don't support those findings. Not in Eurogenes anyway.

Perhaps a Jewish great-grandparent in her case. Obviously most of her result fits Hungarian.

I agree with you, but Mizrahi Jews are basically nonexistent in Hungary, so I don't know (I don't think she can be Ashkenazi because they are very european-like genetics wise). Btw it's kind of the same in my case too, basically on all websites I score a little East Asian or Turkic as you can see. Overall Myheritage proved to be accurate for me (mainly for the second try, but at least they got most of my European ancestry right). I'm still waiting for her but it will be posted today, I believe.

She also gets West Asian and South Asian separately, don't forget about that. I suspect that this one is strongly Middle Eastern. And I see some Middle Eastern looking Hungarians almost every week (in the capital of course). They are Hungarians not Turkish people for example, at least based on their style and accent.

[Chris596]

Alright, finally, Eurogenes K13 (her South Asian is high so this is correct).

EUROGENES K13

1 Baltic 33.83
2 North_Atlantic 20.55
3 East_Med 14.3
4 West_Med 13.88
5 West_Asian 9.54
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Amerindian 1.62
8 Red_Sea 1.03
9 Oceanian 0.95
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Siberian 0.56
12 Sub-Saharan 0.0

[Scandal]

could be part gypsy. She probably looks ordinary hungarian though, judging by the overall result.

[knez01]

Alright, finally, Eurogenes K13 (her South Asian is high so this is correct).

EUROGENES K13

1 Baltic 33.83
2 North_Atlantic 20.55
3 East_Med 14.3
4 West_Med 13.88
5 West_Asian 9.54
6 South_Asian 3.11
7 Amerindian 1.62
8 Red_Sea 1.03
9 Oceanian 0.95
10 Northeast_African 0.61
11 Siberian 0.56
12 Sub-Saharan 0.0
It looks like distant Roma ancestry to me, 3.11 on k13 for a Hungarian is lots.

[Chris596]

could be part gypsy. She probably looks ordinary hungarian though, judging by the overall result.


It looks like distant Roma ancestry to me, 3.11 on k13 for a Hungarian is lots.

I agree with you dear members, It just doesn't fit in my head that why I got totally different results on Myheritage. I get even more West-Asian and East Med on Eurogenes lol, plus almost 3% Siberian and East Asian (in total). But I don't care anymore. More results are on the way. I suggested her to upload her data to yourdnaportal and to many other websites as well.

[Leto]

What does she get on Dodecad K12b?

[Chris596]

What does she get on Dodecad K12b?

On it's way, I'll post it as soon as possible. Until then, her Oracle from K13 and some Vahaduo stuff (the first part is very similar to my results):

1 Moldavian 5.33
2 Croatian 7.89
3 Serbian 9.08
4 Romanian 10.45
5 Bulgarian 11.34
6 Hungarian 11.5
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.54
8 Ukrainian 13.66
9 South_Polish 14.09
10 Southwest_Russian 15.76
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.98
12 Austrian 16.16
13 East_German 16.55
14 Polish 17
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.13
16 Estonian_Polish 18.56
17 Belorussian 19.38
18 Greek_Thessaly 19.61
19 Kargopol_Russian 19.64
20 Tatar 19.67

Vahaduo

Distance to: Hungirl
5.41500693 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
5.45911678 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.24113772 Moldova_Centre
6.56409171 Romania_Maramures
6.65840822 Bosniak
6.71909220 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
6.82441939 Croat_B&H
6.84675105 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
6.92041184 Moldova_North
7.06082856 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
7.06990099 Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
7.12191688 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
7.22281801 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.28005494 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.42097029 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.58115427 Serb_Croatia
7.61275903 Serb_Serbia
7.62495902 Serb_B&H
7.75804743 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
7.84240397 Serb
7.89881004 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.91657754 Serb_Herzegovina
8.03833938 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
8.11702532 Moldova_average
8.16057634 Hungarian_Csango

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 0.3268% / 0.32677886
25.0 Lithuanian
19.6 Greek_Northern-Thrace
14.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
13.4 Pomak_Xanthi
12.4 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
8.4 Latvian
2.0 Piramalai
1.6 Kshatriya
1.0 Karitiana
0.4 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
0.4 Laz
0.2 Brahmin_UP
0.2 Georgian_imereti
0.2 Papuan
0.2 Punjabi_Jat
0.2 Sardinian

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 1.8703% / 1.87026838 | ADC: 0.25x
57.8 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
14.0 Bulgarian_Ruse
12.4 Pomak_Xanthi
10.4 Erzya
2.6 North_Kannadi
2.6 Ukrainian_Belgorod
0.2 Karitiana

[Voskos]

He looks Roma-admixed.

[Chris596]

He looks Roma-admixed.

Yes indeed, as you can see even Hungarians are not homogeneous (they probably never were), some are more Southeast European, some are more Northeast, more East Asian, more South Asian, etc.

[Dr_Maul]

So they have slightly higher South Asian + East Med, I assume it is from some distant Gypsy admix. But goes to show how trash MyHeritage can be, imagine this person is not very detailed with DNA stuff and goes on the rest of their life thinking they are 10% Iranian Jewish, it's not right

[CommonSense]

Ask her if she has many Romani or Romani admixed 3rd-5th cousins in her match list.

[Chris596]

So they have slightly higher South Asian + East Med, I assume it is from some distant Gypsy admix. But goes to show how trash MyHeritage can be, imagine this person is not very detailed with DNA stuff and goes on the rest of their life thinking they are 10% Iranian Jewish, it's not right

I agree with you, 1000% correct. I really wonder, why does Myheritage show these results, meanwhile many websites (GEDmatch, yourDNAportal, dna.land, FTDNA, etc.) tell me the truth (or they are closer to the truth). And overall they are more precise too. It makes me think if Myheritage really has some secret agenda or something. They really can't, or they don't want to show some people the truth ... ?

[17571imre]

with Andre k13 Balkan model:

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 4.3227% / 4.32265192 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Russian_Smolensk
20.8 Greek_Dodecanese
6.8 Gypsy
5.8 South_Italian
4.8 Belorussian
2.2 Sardinian

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 3.5698% / 3.56984556
55.2 Belorussian
19.4 Greek_Cypriot
9.6 Gypsy
8.6 Russian_Smolensk
7.2 Sardinian

no Germanic again just like you Chris

[Chris596]

with Andre k13 Balkan model:

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 4.3227% / 4.32265192 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Russian_Smolensk
20.8 Greek_Dodecanese
6.8 Gypsy
5.8 South_Italian
4.8 Belorussian
2.2 Sardinian

Target: Hungirl
Distance: 3.5698% / 3.56984556
55.2 Belorussian
19.4 Greek_Cypriot
9.6 Gypsy
8.6 Russian_Smolensk
7.2 Sardinian

no Germanic again just like you Chris

Yes, most of it are regular ethnicities who match with Hungarians, and here's the important stuff:

In her case: 9.6 Gypsy

In my case: 6.4 Nogay

[Voskos]

Is it common for Hungarians to score south asian?If it's widespread it could be something else, like magyar.

[Dr_Maul]

I agree with you, 1000% correct. I really wonder, why does Myheritage show these results, meanwhile many websites (GEDmatch, yourDNAportal, dna.land, FTDNA, etc.) tell me the truth (or they are closer to the truth). And overall they are more precise too. It makes me think if Myheritage really has some secret agenda or something. They really can't, or they don't want to show some people the truth ... ?

Yeah, idk whats up with that. I really don't think they have any agendas tbh, they're just low budget / lazy overall. Have you seen this? They can't even afford proper security for people's genetic data https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-myheritage-data-breach-exposes-info-of-more-than-92-million-user.html

[Chris596]

Is it common for Hungarians to score south asian?If it's widespread it could be something else, like magyar.

I would say it's not so common, at least this is how I see it. For some reason I don't score any South Asian, or I score a very very low amount, lower than even Sub Saharan, so at that point it's basically nothing. One of my best friend is part Roma, I bet he would score 10-20% (he has a pretty dark skin, darker than Mortimer for example). But his father is full Romani (with light eyes).

So anyway, I observed that many Hungarians who are not Romani or part Romani get just a little bit.

Before anyone starts to attack me like the last time that ,,I think all Hungarians have Gypsy blood and I am the only one who doesn't'' , this is not true at all! I'm just telling you my observation, that's it.

I'm sure most of the original Magyars/Hungarians didn't have South Asian blood at all, then I would have some of it too probably.

[Luke35]

I think distant Roma fits this case, interesting how MH interpreted her case.

[Leto]

I would say it's not so common, at least this is how I see it. For some reason I don't score any South Asian, or I score very a very low amount, lower than even Sub Saharan, so at that point it's basically nothing. One of my best friend is part Roma, I bet he would score 10-20% (he has a pretty dark skin, darker than Mortimer for example). But his father is full Romani (with light eyes).

It's cool to hear of yet another case of Romani assimilation.

[Chris596]

It's cool to hear of yet another case of Romani assimilation.

Yes I would say he's assimilated, at least culturally. Some members would disagree with me I think. He goes to university as well and we do a lot of activities together, his family is very nice too, I'm always welcomed in their house. He has a brother as well who got a degree from IT this summer.

[Chris596]

Bumpy ride

[Scandal]

It's cool to hear of yet another case of Romani assimilation.

On avarage hungarian gypsies have more magyar admixture than the other way around.

[Mortimer]

After seeing more results I do believe she is distantly Gypsy. Because one calculator or vahaduo even spells it out 9% Gypsy.

[Chris596]

On avarage hungarian gypsies have more magyar admixture than the other way around.


After seeing more results I do believe she is distantly Gypsy. Because one calculator or vahaduo even spells it out 9% Gypsy.

Yes it's true.

[Luke35]

Have you seen her Chris? If you have, how would you classify her?

[Ion Basescul]

Have you seen her Chris? If you have, how would you classify her?

Probably indistinguishable from the rest. She scores only 1% South Asian on MyHeritage, whereas full Romas hit in the 30-35% range. From my experience, halfies are already more similar to the host population rather than Romas.

This half Serbian, half Roma lady for example




Europe
77.0%
Balkan
68.1%
Greek and South Italian
8.9%
South Asia
19.3%
South Asian
19.3%
Middle East
2.5%
Melanesian
1.2%


Or this half Romanian, half Roma




Europe
77.2%
Balkan
61.8%
North and West European
2.8%
Finnish
1.6%
Italian
9.1%
Greek and South Italian
1.9%
South Asian
13.8%
Central Asian
7.6%
Middle East
1.4%



And I have more examples from GEDmatch. Good luck guessing them as Romas on the street.

[Chris596]

She didn't allow me to share her pictures, but I can say her skin is pale white, she has hazel eyes and I wouldn't be able to distinguish her from other Hungarians. I would classify her as Alpine.

More results (the South Asian clearly appears just like the East Asian in my case, so Myheritage was right this time)

Dodecad V3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 29.89
2 East_European 23.24
3 Mediterranean 23.1
4 West_Asian 14.11
5 Southwest_Asian 5.08
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 Northeast_Asian 1.15
8 Southeast_Asian 0.91
9 Northwest_African 0.22
10 Palaeo_African 0.14
11 East_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 9.67
2 Balkans (Dodecad) 10.24
3 Slovenian (Xing) 10.3
4 Romanians_14 (Behar) 11.97
5 Tuscan (Xing) 21.52
6 Tuscan (Henn) 22.05
7 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 22.18
8 German (Dodecad) 22.56
9 TSI (HapMap) 22.57
10 Polish (Dodecad) 22.99
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 23.8
12 CEU (HapMap) 25.33
13 N._European (Xing) 25.34
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 25.59
15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 25.76
16 O_Italian (Dodecad) 25.9
17 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 26.3
18 Orcadian (HGDP) 27.18
19 Russian (Dodecad) 27.21
20 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 27.45

MDLP K11 Modern

1 WHG 31.31
2 Neolithic 30.38
3 EHG 24.65
4 Basal 5.23
5 ASI 2.93
6 Iran-Mesolithic 2.43
7 Siberian 2.39
8 African 0.68

So you get the idea.

[Leto]

That isn't K12b, Chris.

[Chris596]

That isn't K12b, Chris.

Ohh yeah, my bad, fixed. She didn't share her K12b results, I'm happy if I catch her online so probably that's all we can see for now.

[Leto]

Ohh yeah, my bad, fixed. She didn't share her K12b results, I'm happy if I catch her online so probably that's all we can see for now.
No problem. That's Dodecad V3.

[Chris596]

Her DNA.LAND results

North Slavic 41%
Balkan 36%
Mediterranean Islander 17%
Gujarati 2.9%
Northwest European 2.7%

Here she doesn't even get proper West-Asian, while in the end I got West-Asian results both on Myheritage, DNA.land and on FTDNA too. lol

[CommonSense]

Probably indistinguishable from the rest. She scores only 1% South Asian on MyHeritage, whereas full Romas hit in the 30-35% range. From my experience, halfies are already more similar to the host population rather than Romas.

This half Serbian, half Roma lady for example


https://thumbnail.myheritageimages.com/000/000/0/053/401/053401_1922715k28cj77a5d4847q_N_262x570.jpg

Europe
77.0%
Balkan
68.1%
Greek and South Italian
8.9%
South Asia
19.3%
South Asian
19.3%
Middle East
2.5%
Melanesian
1.2%


Or this half Romanian, half Roma


https://thumbnail.myheritageimages.com/000/000/0/141/291/141291_779881n5q1k45gd4p99fd7_V_427x570.jpg


Europe
77.2%
Balkan
61.8%
North and West European
2.8%
Finnish
1.6%
Italian
9.1%
Greek and South Italian
1.9%
South Asian
13.8%
Central Asian
7.6%
Middle East
1.4%



And I have more examples from GEDmatch. Good luck guessing them as Romas on the street.

That's like saying every mulatto looks like Wentworth Miller. Gypsies have the same skintone as peninsular Arabs on average and often with features that are not fully caucasoid, so it's only logical that mixed people will often end up looking significantly different than the general population.

[Leto]

That's like saying every mulatto looks like Wentworth Miller. Gypsies have the same skintone as peninsular Arabs on average and often with features that are not fully caucasoid, so it's only logical that mixed people will often end up looking significantly different than the general population.
Well, you did a Romani average for Gedmatch yourself, so you know that half Romani doesn't equal half South Asian. Earlier today I posted an Eastern Euro Gypsy result and he scores 26% South_Asian on Eu K13 and 22% on Dod K12b.

[CommonSense]

Well, you did a Romani average for Gedmatch yourself, so you know that half Romani doesn't equal half South Asian. Earlier today I posted an Eastern Euro Gypsy result and he scores 26% South_Asian on Eu K13 and 22% on Dod K12b.

Yes, that's about average for them. But I'm talking about pigmentation and looks which is carried on from parent to child regardless of admix.

[Leto]

Yes, that's about average for them. But I'm talking about pigmentation and looks which is carried on from parent to child regardless of admix.
I think they are somewhat like Latin American mestizos.

[Luke35]

That's like saying every mulatto looks like Wentworth Miller. Gypsies have the same skintone as peninsular Arabs on average and often with features that are not fully caucasoid, so it's only logical that mixed people will often end up looking significantly different than the general population.

What would you estimate the op Hungarian girl's Gypsy admixture is (meaning how far back)? Are her results indicative of a full Gypsy great-grandparent, about that level?

[CommonSense]

What would you estimate the op Hungarian girl's Gypsy admixture is (meaning how far back)? Are her results indicative of a full Gypsy great-grandparent, about that level?

I think she had one great great grandparent (1/16 of total ancestry). Fully Gypsy people score certainly well over 30% South Asian on MyHeritage.

[Dlav]

This dude Polak Hungarian to the max

[Mortimer]

I think she had one great great grandparent (1/16 of total ancestry). Fully Gypsy people score certainly well over 30% South Asian on MyHeritage.

Yes but full gypsies also score 60-70% middle eastern + southeuropean. I doubt the iraqui is from hungarians, that means she is 1/8 probably.

[Mortimer]

She didn't allow me to share her pictures, but I can say her skin is pale white, she has hazel eyes and I wouldn't be able to distinguish her from other Hungarians. I would classify her as Alpine.

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A friend of mine considered doing a DNA Test she wants to find out whether its true what her grandfather told her that they descendt from roma or sinti. She said he was dark, and looked eastern european. Eastern European is a codeword for roma, she knows that but she intentionally doesnt want to say he looked gypsy because gypsy is a slur sometimes and sounds bad. She also says Im eastern european eventhough she knows that and I explained it to her. She asked me where I did the test and what it costs. But she didnt now anymore talked about it. She also has hazel eyes and pale skin and brown hair and is alpine.

[Mortimer]

That's like saying every mulatto looks like Wentworth Miller. Gypsies have the same skintone as peninsular Arabs on average and often with features that are not fully caucasoid, so it's only logical that mixed people will often end up looking significantly different than the general population.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?326699-Are-they-fully-caucasoid&p=6775127#post6775127

[Blondie]

He's gypsie or something not really hungarian.

[Dlav]

He's gypsie or something not really hungarian.

Gypsy women can be beautiful af. Many look Albanian or even Serbian ain't nothing wrong with that either

[CommonSense]

Yes but full gypsies also score 60-70% middle eastern + southeuropean. I doubt the iraqui is from hungarians, that means she is 1/8 probably.

I'm talking about MyHeritage, not 23andMe. The Mizrahi Jewish is simply noise in this case, I've seen it happen that Balkanites get 10% North African or West Asian randomly, it's not particularly unusual. DNALAND however only gives her South Asian (Gujurati) and a really minor amount as well (2.9%).

[Jana]

I doubt this person is distantly Gypsy. West Asian/Caucasus score is way to low. Lot of Hungarians score 2-3% South Asian from steppe admix, just like northern Russians, Finns and Volga-Ural ethnicities do to.
Gypsies are part Anatolian (Armenian like) and part south Balkan (Vlach like), I don't see it in this case.

Matches will reveal. If she has no close Gypsy matches, she is not mixed with them at all.

[Chris596]

I doubt this person is distantly Gypsy. West Asian/Caucasus score is way to low. Lot of Hungarians score 2-3% South Asian from steppe admix, just like northern Russians, Finns and Volga-Ural ethnicities do to.
Gypsies are part Anatolian (Armenian like) and part south Balkan (Vlach like), I don't see it in this case.

Matches will reveal. If she has no close Gypsy matches, she is not mixed with them at all.

I agree with you. I even wanted to say that my West-Asian score on K13 is even higher than her score (10.60%), so Myheritage really acts weird sometimes. My South Asian score is usually very minuscule or nonexistent. I suspect that in reality I have more West Asian than her (I get it on every website), and the East/North Asian is around the same (maybe a little less) like her South Asian. I think she's fully Hungarian, Gypsy ancestry in this case is very distant.

[Mortimer]

I'm talking about MyHeritage, not 23andMe. The Mizrahi Jewish is simply noise in this case, I've seen it happen that Balkanites get 10% North African or West Asian randomly, it's not particularly unusual. DNALAND however only gives her South Asian (Gujurati) and a really minor amount as well (2.9%).

Hard to tell because gypsies share more than half of their ancestry with middle east and SouthEurope she also has some Italian I score 10 % italian too and other gypsies too and I'm also talking about myheritage what is for sure is that southasian is less than what she is gypsy because gypsies are 30 % southasian and and 70 % something else and if she is distantly gypsy she could also inherited more of the European or middle east I didn't looked at dnaland but there must be something else gypsy like Balkan or italian

[Mortimer]

Her DNA.LAND results

North Slavic 41%
Balkan 36%
Mediterranean Islander 17%
Gujarati 2.9%
Northwest European 2.7%

Here she doesn't even get proper West-Asian, while in the end I got West-Asian results both on Myheritage, DNA.land and on FTDNA too. lol

I also get meditteran islander and Italian and Balkan some of it must be gypsy if she is part southasian doesn't equal gypsy but it is hard to tell because it is also found in europeans

[Chris596]

Hard to tell because gypsies share more than half of their ancestry with middle east and SouthEurope she also has some Italian I score 10 % italian too and other gypsies too and I'm also talking about myheritage what is for sure is that southasian is less than what she is gypsy because gypsies are 30 % southasian and and 70 % something else and if she is distantly gypsy she could also inherited more of the European or middle east I didn't looked at dnaland but there must be something else gypsy like Balkan or italian

She also gets 17% Mediterranean on DNA.land, 11% on Myheritage so that's also true.

Can you guess the South Asian ancestry of my friend if he's half Romani half Hungarian? (the Hungarian part is probably mainly Balkan like in your case or in my case).

[Mortimer]

She also gets 17% Mediterranean on DNA.land, 11% on Myheritage so that's also true.

Can you guess the South Asian ancestry of my friend if he's half Romani half Hungarian? (the Hungarian part is probably mainly Balkan like in your case or in my case).

What do you mean? You mean which type of southasian? Hard to tell but gypsies were estimated to descent from around Punjab and from low castes

[Mortimer]

She also gets 17% Mediterranean on DNA.land, 11% on Myheritage so that's also true.

Can you guess the South Asian ancestry of my friend if he's half Romani half Hungarian? (the Hungarian part is probably mainly Balkan like in your case or in my case).

I think 10-20% on Myheritage and less in most others like 23andme, Ftdna, LivingDNA etc. Im 20% on Myheritage only 12% on 23andme and LivingDNA

[Chris596]

I think 10-20% on Myheritage and less in most others like 23andme, Ftdna, LivingDNA etc. Im 20% on Myheritage only 12% on 23andme and LivingDNA

It's also very interesting because it is the opposite in my case. Myheritage overestimates my Balkan ancestry compared to every other website and underestimates other things.