I find my results docedad k12 false at the level of the oracle

[Kerem_turc]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.63
2 Gedrosia 23.26
3 Southwest_Asian 15.31
4 North_European 7.91
5 Atlantic_Med 4.28
6 South_Asian 3.97
7 East_African 1.15
8 Siberian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.13
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.75
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.81
4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.15
5 Iranians (Behar) 9.61
6 Turks (Behar) 11.88
7 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 12.54
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.98
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 13.19
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 13.65
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.45
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.51
13 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 14.95
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.57
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.93
16 Lebanese (Behar) 17.03
17 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.59
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.87
19 Syrians (Behar) 18.94
20 Druze (HGDP) 19.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.22
2 87% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 13% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.86
3 78.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.87
4 80.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 19.7% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.89
5 52.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 47.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.02
6 88.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.07
7 83.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.09
8 83.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 16.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.18
9 89.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 10.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 4.21
10 71.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 28.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.23
11 69.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 30.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 4.25
12 78.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.33
13 76.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.45
14 79% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 21% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.53
15 91% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.61
16 76.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.64
17 83% Iranian (Dodecad) + 17% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.67
18 79.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.71
19 90.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9.6% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 4.72
20 74.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.78


I summarize you on all that I know about my origins, my 2 parents are of Zaza origin (Iranian people living in Turkey) in Elazig, my father and my mother are linked more precisely my maternal great grandfather and my paternal grandfather are cousins ​​and they migrated from Diyarbakir to Elazig (I don't know where and when) when my maternal grandmother's ancestors come from northern Iran they migrated to Turkey in Adiyaman and then come to Elazig, my paternal grandmother I have no idea where she comes from (she only speaks the zaza unfortunately) and physically my father and my mother are very different my father is blond with green eyes and my mother is brown with Brown eyes.

now let's move on to my problem, I find that the "Georgia_jew and Uzbekistan_jew" is abused since I have no Jewish ancestor and I don't think my ancestors are themselves, I was told that the docedad k12b was more reliable for people from West Asia but there it is abused the number of Jewish population that there is

[Voskos]

Jews can be from anywhere. Scoring Jewish on oracles shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Kerem_turc]

Jews can be from anywhere. Scoring Jewish on oracles shouldn't be taken seriously.

yes but what is different for example a georgian to a jewish georgian for example

[Voskos]

yes but what is different for example a georgian to a jewish georgian for example

higher SW Asian ancestry.(levantine,canaanite or Arabic)

[Kerem_turc]

higher SW Asian ancestry.(levantine,canaanite or Arabic)

mine is not that big especially that my "caucasus" is very high and yet the peoples of southwest Asia is ahead I find

[Kerem_turc]

and besides I have never heard the fact that I have ancestors from the east or that it is a people speaking Semitic languages

[Dr_Maul]

Hmm, Kinda weird how its hitting you with that. Standard Iranic amount of Southwest asian seems to be 10-15 which you are roughly close to. Anyways, the point of the oracle isn't really to tell you what you are, but mostly how you are shifted / close to. For example if you are a Turkic type person who is asian shifted, you might get +2% Korean, Japanese etc. Obviously, you are not part Korean but it goes to show that you are Asian shifted. Unfortunately for this region, due to the large amount of shared components between us and our neighbors (Caucasian, Gedrosian, SW Asian) having one of them even slightly over the standard will really mess up your oracle.

[Dr_Maul]

By the way, the reason you are getting Georgian and Uzbekistan jews is because both of them are heavily admixed with Iranics due to historical reasons (Uzbekistan Jews aren't even Uzbek but rather Tajik)

Distance to: Uzbekistan_Jews
5.03903761 Assyrian
7.47895046 Armenian_West
7.50333259 Iranian_Jews
7.59645312 Zaza
7.74812235 Georgia_Jews
7.82561819 Turkmen_Iraq
7.99624912 Azerbaijan_Jews
8.18080069 Turk_East
8.27678078 Armenian_East
8.82858426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.86998309 Kurd_Sorani
8.93756119 Iraq_Jews
9.34104919 Kurd_KAZ
9.70282433 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.93378075 Kurds
10.58074194 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.84529391 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.86766304 Lur_Iran
11.07429456 Kurd
11.29334760 Turk_Southeast
11.50317348 Azerbaijani
12.18990156 Nusayri_Turkey
12.29146045 Iranian
12.54349234 Turk_Ahiska
12.87569027 Turk_Central_East

Distance to: Georgia_Jews
3.93540341 Azerbaijan_Jews
5.87529574 Assyrian
6.19997581 Armenian_West
6.31675550 Iranian_Jews
7.12177646 Armenian_East
7.74812235 Uzbekistan_Jews
8.34274535 Iraq_Jews
8.57332491 Greek_Pontus
9.13788816 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.20939737 Hemshin
10.46016730 Laz
10.71975746 Turk_Ahiska
10.90260978 Turk_East
11.37805344 Druze
12.56364995 Georgian_Adjara
12.91526229 Georgian_Turkey
13.78155652 Nusayri_Turkey
14.08201335 Zaza
14.37497826 Greek_Cappadocia
14.80545170 Lebanese
15.14380071 Georgian_Imereti
15.27102813 Turkmen_Iraq
15.42171845 Kurd_KAZ
15.77288813 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.86496454 Kurd_Kurmanji

[Kerem_turc]

Hmm, Kinda weird how its hitting you with that. Standard Iranic amount of Southwest asian seems to be 10-15 which you are roughly close to. Anyways, the point of the oracle isn't really to tell you what you are, but mostly how you are shifted / close to. For example if you are a Turkic type person who is asian shifted, you might get +2% Korean, Japanese etc. Obviously, you are not part Korean but it goes to show that you are Asian shifted. Unfortunately for this region, due to the large amount of shared components between us and our neighbors (Caucasian, Gedrosian, SW Asian) having one of them even slightly over the standard will really mess up your oracle.

there can't be another project where at least everything comes together? like the Puntdnal K13 overall I found it a bit odd but at least it was cleaner to see

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 45.49
2 SW_Europe 21.24
3 SW_Asia 16.25
4 NE_Europe 5.95
5 South_Asia 5.47
6 SE_Asia 1.4
7 South_Africa 1.06
8 Siberia 1.04
9 Oceania 0.71
10 West_Africa 0.62
11 Americas 0.56
12 East_Africa 0.16
13 NE_Asia 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 3.89
2 Iranian 5.31
3 Azerbaijan_Azeri 6.76
4 Abkhasian 8.55
5 Armenian 9.38
6 Assyrian 9.8
7 Dagestan_Azeri 11.14
8 Turkish_Kayseri 11.48
9 Ossetian 11.87
10 Turkish_Trabzon 12.17
11 Turkish 13.72
12 Lebanese_Muslim 14.14
13 Lebanese_Druze 14.28
14 Adygei 14.74
15 Syrian 15.01
16 Balkar 16.12
17 Turkish_Aydin 16.14
18 Lebanese_Christian 16.55
19 Kumyk 17.86
20 Cypriot 19.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.9% Iranian + 33.1% Armenian @ 2.98
2 72.9% Iranian + 27.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.99
3 68.2% Iranian + 31.8% Assyrian @ 3.08
4 74.2% Armenian + 25.8% Makrani @ 3.19
5 84.1% Kurdish + 15.9% Assyrian @ 3.48
6 98.1% Kurdish + 1.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 3.49
7 98.1% Kurdish + 1.9% Biaka_Pygmy @ 3.51
8 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% Ju_Hoan @ 3.53
9 72.7% Assyrian + 27.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.53
10 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Yemeni @ 3.53
11 94.7% Kurdish + 5.3% Egyptian @ 3.55
12 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% San @ 3.57
13 73.7% Assyrian + 26.3% Pathan @ 3.58
14 93.4% Kurdish + 6.6% Samaritan_Jew @ 3.58
15 74.6% Armenian + 25.4% Pathan @ 3.59
16 90.3% Kurdish + 9.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.6
17 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Bantu_SE @ 3.61
18 97.9% Kurdish + 2.1% Sandawe @ 3.61
19 98.1% Kurdish + 1.9% Hadza @ 3.61
20 85.8% Kurdish + 14.2% Armenian @ 3.62


Iranian + Armenian
Iranian + Turkish_Trabzon

it sticks a little with the fact that the ancestors of my grand maternal come from the north of iran it may be that she frequented azeris or even in diyarbakir with my grand maternal father he has an armenid type and in diyarbakir there at least it sticks a little

[Kerem_turc]

By the way, the reason you are getting Georgian and Uzbekistan jews is because both of them are heavily admixed with Iranics due to historical reasons (Uzbekistan Jews aren't even Uzbek but rather Tajik)

Distance to: Uzbekistan_Jews
5.03903761 Assyrian
7.47895046 Armenian_West
7.50333259 Iranian_Jews
7.59645312 Zaza
7.74812235 Georgia_Jews
7.82561819 Turkmen_Iraq
7.99624912 Azerbaijan_Jews
8.18080069 Turk_East
8.27678078 Armenian_East
8.82858426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.86998309 Kurd_Sorani
8.93756119 Iraq_Jews
9.34104919 Kurd_KAZ
9.70282433 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.93378075 Kurds
10.58074194 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.84529391 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.86766304 Lur_Iran
11.07429456 Kurd
11.29334760 Turk_Southeast
11.50317348 Azerbaijani
12.18990156 Nusayri_Turkey
12.29146045 Iranian
12.54349234 Turk_Ahiska
12.87569027 Turk_Central_East

Distance to: Georgia_Jews
3.93540341 Azerbaijan_Jews
5.87529574 Assyrian
6.19997581 Armenian_West
6.31675550 Iranian_Jews
7.12177646 Armenian_East
7.74812235 Uzbekistan_Jews
8.34274535 Iraq_Jews
8.57332491 Greek_Pontus
9.13788816 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.20939737 Hemshin
10.46016730 Laz
10.71975746 Turk_Ahiska
10.90260978 Turk_East
11.37805344 Druze
12.56364995 Georgian_Adjara
12.91526229 Georgian_Turkey
13.78155652 Nusayri_Turkey
14.08201335 Zaza
14.37497826 Greek_Cappadocia
14.80545170 Lebanese
15.14380071 Georgian_Imereti
15.27102813 Turkmen_Iraq
15.42171845 Kurd_KAZ
15.77288813 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.86496454 Kurd_Kurmanji

but they are converted or otherwise it is Jews who descend to the time of the Persians who welcomed the Jews during their first diaspora (which means that they are Semitic in descent and not Iranian)

[Dr_Maul]

there can't be another project where at least everything comes together? like the Puntdnal K13 overall I found it a bit odd but at least it was cleaner to see

The best project will be the one which gives you the lowest distance. But like I said, the point of the oracle isn't to guess what race you or your ancestors are, but to give you the closest distance to show in which direction you are shifted.

Dodecad for example gives me this. Am I 1/8 Sephardi? No. What it does tell me is that I am more semitic shifted than the standard Iranian, which is correct
87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49

Harappa world gives me this. Am I 7% Baloch? Probably not. What it does tell me is that I am more South Asian shifted than the standard Iranic, which is also correct.
92.8% kurd (harappa) + 7.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.19

Like I said, the point is to tell you how shifted you are, not what you are exactly. The oracle isn't saying that you are a Georgian Jew mixed with a Pashtun, it says that you are semitic+caucasian shifted which is producing that result

[Dr_Maul]

but they are converted or otherwise it is Jews who descend to the time of the Persians who welcomed the Jews during their first diaspora (which means that they are Semitic in descent and not Iranian)

Of course they are semitic originally but the point is that they are autosomally close to Iranians due to intermarriage

[Kerem_turc]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.5
2 Baloch 23.45
3 SW-Asian 14.61
4 NE-Euro 6.03
5 Mediterranean 4.73
6 S-Indian 4.16
7 Pygmy 1.25
8 Siberian 0.8
9 SE-Asian 0.24
10 Papuan 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kurd (yunusbayev) 4.48
2 kurd (harappa) 4.83
3 kurd (xing) 5.51
4 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 6.23
5 iranian (harappa) 6.27
6 iranian (behar) 6.79
7 azeri (harappa) 7.41
8 turkish (harappa) 7.76
9 armenian (harappa) 8.23
10 assyrian (harappa) 10.43
11 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 10.7
12 turk (behar) 11.27
13 iraqi-arab (harappa) 11.41
14 iranian-jew (behar) 11.5
15 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 11.55
16 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 11.78
17 georgia-jew (behar) 12.23
18 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 12.4
19 iraq-jew (behar) 13.04
20 armenian (yunusbayev) 13.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% iranian (behar) + 30.4% armenian (behar) @ 3
2 75.6% georgia-jew (behar) + 24.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.06
3 80.5% iranian (harappa) + 19.5% druze (hgdp) @ 3.19
4 68.7% iranian (harappa) + 31.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 3.21
5 50.2% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 49.8% iranian (harappa) @ 3.24
6 75.2% assyrian (harappa) + 24.8% pashtun (harappa) @ 3.34
7 87.5% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 12.5% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.38
8 78.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 21.2% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 3.38
9 84.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 15.6% syrian (behar) @ 3.4
10 96.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 3.5% irula (xing) @ 3.42
11 96.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 3.4% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 3.43
12 93.3% kurd (yunusbayev) + 6.7% yemen-jew (behar) @ 3.43
13 96.8% kurd (yunusbayev) + 3.2% paniya (chaubey) @ 3.46
14 91.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.3% yemenese (behar) @ 3.48
15 76.1% georgia-jew (behar) + 23.9% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.49
16 86.9% kurd (harappa) + 13.1% druze (hgdp) @ 3.49
17 68.5% iranian (harappa) + 31.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 3.53
18 94.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 5.6% saudi (behar) @ 3.53
19 89.5% kurd (yunusbayev) + 10.5% palestinian (hgdp) @ 3.53
20 94.4% kurd (yunusbayev) + 5.6% qatari (henn2012) @ 3.55

[Kerem_turc]

The best project will be the one which gives you the lowest distance. But like I said, the point of the oracle isn't to guess what race you or your ancestors are, but to give you the closest distance to show in which direction you are shifted.

Dodecad for example gives me this. Am I 1/8 Sephardi? No. What it does tell me is that I am more semitic shifted than the standard Iranian, which is correct
87.4% Iranians (Behar) + 12.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49

Harappa world gives me this. Am I 7% Baloch? Probably not. What it does tell me is that I am more South Asian shifted than the standard Iranic, which is also correct.
92.8% kurd (harappa) + 7.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.19

Like I said, the point is to tell you how shifted you are, not what you are exactly. The oracle isn't saying that you are a Georgian Jew mixed with a Pashtun, it says that you are semitic+caucasian shifted which is producing that result

how is it that i am connected to semitic peoples ......, i have no ancestor which comes from the east, nor from the arabian peninsula ..., especially physically i don't do at all middle eastern if I can say, I mean if really I am close to Semitic peoples at least that must have left clues at least at the physical level but there no

[Dr_Maul]

how is it that i am connected to semitic peoples ......, i have no ancestor which comes from the east, nor from the arabian peninsula ..., especially physically i don't do at all middle eastern if I can say, I mean if really I am close to Semitic peoples at least that must have left clues at least at the physical level but there no

I mean, you have 15-16% Southwest Asian (Levantine/semitic) compared to the kurdish standard of 10-12% roughly. Obviously if you are 3% more Arab it will not show on you, but the genetics will detect it

[Kerem_turc]

I mean, you have 15-16% Southwest Asian (Levantine/semitic) compared to the kurdish standard of 10-12% roughly. Obviously if you are 3% more Arab it will not show on you, but the genetics will detect it

good after this is my raw data from MyHeritage this is one of the least reliable

[Kerem_turc]

even the results of my mother's sister are not so abused

she physically made middle eastern while me not at all

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.1
2 Gedrosia 25.92
3 Southwest_Asian 13.15
4 North_European 8.08
5 Atlantic_Med 8.04
6 South_Asian 2.71
7 Southeast_Asian 1.99

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 4.38
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.95
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 5.07
4 Iranians (Behar) 7.48
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.52
6 Turks (Behar) 12.82
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.91
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.14
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.42
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.78
11 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.99
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.49
13 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.59
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.38
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.41
16 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 17.43
17 Lebanese (Behar) 18.78
18 Armenians (Behar) 20.57
19 Syrians (Behar) 20.77
20 Lezgins (Behar) 20.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.8% French (HGDP) @ 2.78
2 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.78
3 91% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.78
4 91.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.79
5 93.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.1% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 2.8
6 93.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 2.81
7 88.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 11.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.84
8 93% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.84
9 93.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.1% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 2.84
10 93.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.1% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.85
11 94.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.85
12 94.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.85
13 94.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.8% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.85
14 94.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.86
15 94.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.7% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.86
16 94.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.86
17 94.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.3% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.86
18 96.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.8% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 2.86
19 94.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.3% English (Dodecad) @ 2.86
20 96.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 3.8% Juang (Chaubey) @ 2.86

[Kerem_turc]

I don't understand why his atlantic_med is so high

[JamesBond007]

I don't like dodecad , in general, personally, it tends to give me either Dutch, mixed_Germanic or Scottish as my number 1 population and the oracle is a mess for K12 Oracle is ridiculous it tells me I am mostly Orcadian Scottish which does not follow from my single population results of Dutch and Mixed_Germanic. Obviously, the British are related to the Dutch but the results are crap in general.

Anyway, I know you are not British but dodecad is crap for British isles people in general.

[Kerem_turc]

I don't like dodecad , in general, personally, it tends to give me either Dutch, mixed_Germanic or Scottish as my number 1 population and the oracle is a mess for K12 Oracle is ridiculous it tells me I am mostly Orcadian Scottish which does not follow from my single population results of Dutch and Mixed_Germanic. Obviously, the British are related to the Dutch but the results are crap in general.

Anyway, I know you are not British but dodecad is crap for British isles people in general.

except that you are European, I am from West Asia, docedad K12b is made for Asians

[JamesBond007]

The best project will be the one which gives you the lowest distance.

I don't know if that is true as certain projects are optimized for certain populations AND at the sametime suffer from what Davidski calls the 'calculator effect'. For instance, the MDLP project is optimized for Lithuanians and maybe Baltics in general but also suffers from the calculator effect so it may give me a close distance to Cornish, on one of its calculators, compared to Eurogenes K13 but that does not mean I'm cornish or closer to cornish . Meanwhile the calculator effect makes dodecad make UK people come out more continental :

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/05/beware-calculator-effect.html