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Zoro
06-29-2020, 10:29 PM
Here's a simple test anyone can do to show that calculator distances don't show how closely related you are to different populations.

1- Go to Vahuado calculator page http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
2- Pick a calculator such as Eurogenes, MDLP, Dodecad, etc
3- Copy the Estonian or Polish average and paste it into the TARGET
4- Run 600 distances from Polish or Estonian average

If the distances correctly show you how close your relationship is then as everyone knows other Eurasians such as E. Asians and American Indians should be closer to Polish or Estonians since Europeans and E. Asians split from each other after they arrived in the Middle East (Eurasia) from Africa.

The ancestors of Europeans/E. Asians split from sub-saharan Africans much before that and therefore Europeans are much more related to E. Asians and American Indians than they are to Mbuti, Hadza, Yoruba etc.

Surprisingly this is not what Eurogenes, MDLP, Dodecad and other calculators show which means that you should take calculator results with a grain of salt.

Here is the output for Eurogenes K13. I'll discuss why these calculators are off in the next posts


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Distance to: POLE


Eurogenes K13 original spreadsheet


4.26
Russian_Smolensk


4.58
Ukrainian


4.69
South_Polish


5.13
Estonian_Polish


5.48
Belorussian


5.69
Ukrainian_Lviv


6.35
Southwest_Russian


6.89
Ukrainian_Belgorod


8.76
Estonian


9.59
Lithuanian


9.86
Kargopol_Russian


10.72
Finnish


11.04
Southwest_Finnish


12.19
East_Finnish


12.42
Croatian


13.55
Erzya


15.69
Hungarian


15.82
East_German


16.26
Moldavian


17.69
North_Swedish


18.21
Austrian


18.36
La_Brana-1


23.04
Serbian


23.31
Swedish


23.62
Tatar


24.74
North_German


26.83
Norwegian


27.15
West_German


27.18
Chuvash


27.26
Danish


27.61
Romanian


27.66
North_Dutch


28.01
South_Dutch


29.81
Orcadian


30.04
Bulgarian


30.24
Southeast_English


30.77
Irish


31.87
West_Scottish


32.18
Southwest_English


32.58
French


33.12
Mari


38.95
Spanish_Galicia


39.53
Spanish_Cataluna


39.54
Portuguese


40.01
Greek_Thessaly


40.12
Southwest_French


40.25
North_Italian


40.46
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


41.20
Spanish_Cantabria


41.58
Spanish_Extremadura


41.91
Spanish_Valencia


42.21
Spanish_Murcia


42.81
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


43.65
Tuscan


43.89
Spanish_Andalucia


45.03
Spanish_Aragon


46.82
Italian_Abruzzo


48.03
Central_Greek


48.38
West_Sicilian


49.24
East_Sicilian


49.35
MA-1


50.18
Nogay


50.41
Ashkenazi


52.15
French_Basque


52.34
Afghan_Turkmen


52.94
South_Italian


54.55
Tadjik


54.60
Uzbeki


55.00
Tabassaran


56.06
Chechen


56.38
Kumyk


56.42
Uygur


56.69
Lezgin


57.12
Kabardin


57.68
Aghan_Hazara


58.36
Afghan_Tadjik


58.46
Turkmen


58.47
Algerian_Jewish


58.58
Italian_Jewish


58.60
Sephardic_Jewish


59.32
Balkar


59.37
Shors


59.72
Turkish


59.88
Kazakh


59.94
Algerian


60.12
Hazara


60.24
Adygei


60.36
Mozabite_Berber


60.61
Afghan_Pashtun


60.65
Tunisian


60.86
Moroccan


61.12
North_Ossetian


61.97
Azeri


62.03
Tunisian_Jewish


62.06
Libyan_Jewish


63.16
Hakas


63.25
Ossetian


63.69
Sardinian


64.57
Kirgiz


64.72
Cyprian


65.79
Syrian


65.85
Lebanese_Muslim


66.53
Iranian


66.78
Kurdish


66.98
Kalash


67.20
Punjabi_Jat


67.29
Bedouin


67.46
Jordanian


67.55
Pathan


67.67
Egyptian


67.76
Burusho


68.61
Palestinian


68.87
Georgian_Jewish


69.47
Georgian


69.49
Assyrian


69.53
Ket


69.78
Armenian


69.89
Selkup


69.95
Altaian


69.95
West_Greenlander


70.29
Lebanese_Druze


70.53
Samaritan


70.69
Iranian_Jewish


71.43
Kurdish_Jewish


71.90
Lebanese_Christian


72.49
Abhkasian


73.10
Brahmin_UP


75.09
Saudi


75.11
Makrani


75.52
Sindhi


75.82
Balochi


75.94
Mongolian


77.47
Brahui


77.55
Kshatriya


77.87
Tuvinian


77.97
Gujarati


78.21
Bangladeshi


78.36
Yemenite_Jewish


78.49
Ethiopian_Tigray


79.04
Ethiopian_Amhara


81.12
East_Greenlander


81.47
Ethiopian_Oromo


82.29
Sandawe


82.84
Somali


83.21
Maasai


83.27
Buryat


83.65
Ethiopian_Wolayta


83.84
Dharkar


84.45
Kanjar


84.47
Chukchi


84.75
Tibeto-Burman_Burmese


85.91
Uttar_Pradesh


86.99
Koryak


87.52
Tu


87.60
Xibo


87.90
Kol


88.39
Hadza


88.57
Hezhen


88.97
North_Kannadi


89.61
Chenchu


89.73
San


89.99
Dolgan


90.16
Velamas


90.22
Kurumba


90.31
Dusadh


90.49
Sudanese


91.21
NAN_Melanesian


91.27
Ethiopian_Anuak


91.95
Yakut


91.98
Austroasiatic_Ho


92.03
Japanese


92.39
Malay


92.55
Naxi


92.86
Mbuti_Pygmy


92.89
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator


92.96
Yizu


93.17
Oroqen


93.47
Chamar


93.47
Piramalai


93.74
North_Amerindian


93.98
Bantu_N.E.


94.42
Sakilli


94.52
Ethiopian_Gumuz


94.84
Luhya


95.18
Cambodian


95.44
Evenki


97.24
Evens


98.43
Biaka_Pygmy


99.01
Lahu


99.84
Tujia


100.57
Miaozu


101.21
Mayan


101.75
Bantu_S.E.


102.20
She


102.61
Vietnamese


102.91
Bantu_S.W.


103.86
Pima


104.97
Mandenka


105.95
Dai


109.76
Papuan


110.23
Yoruban


113.61
Karitiana

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Zoro
06-29-2020, 10:31 PM
To show that the problem exists for all calculator projects. Here is MDLP K23


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MDLP K23b


Distance to: POLE


2.08
Belarusian


2.62
Belarusian_South


3.71
Russian_Center


3.82
Ukrainian


3.83
Belarusian_Russian


3.85
Mixed_East_Slav


4.49
Don_cossack


5.25
Balt


5.28
Ukrainian_East


5.41
Kuban_cossack


5.96
Russian_South


6.11
Belarusian-East


6.39
Russian-North-West


6.40
Belarusian_West


6.40
Ukrainian_Center


6.79
Russian-West


7.45
Lithuanian


7.48
Sorb


8.21
Estonian


8.44
Latvian


8.56
Mordovian


8.62
Russian_North


9.33
Kashub


9.61
Russian_Meshtchyora


9.64
Russian-Upper-Volga


9.93
Russian_Vologda


10.97
Ukrainian_West


11.25
Russian-North


13.06
Erzya


13.18
Vepsa


13.34
Slovak


13.43
Finnish_FIN


14.23
Karelian


14.36
Finn


15.08
Moksha


15.37
German


15.51
Finnish-East


15.66
Finn_East


16.49
Finn_West


16.54
Czech


17.94
Russian-Ural


18.40
Croat_BH


18.85
Slovenian


19.20
Hungarian


19.33
Hungarian_Budapest


20.66
Bosnian


21.12
Saami_Kola


21.39
Croat


21.47
Tatar_Mishar


22.06
Swede_Saami


22.13
Serb_BH


23.27
Austrian


24.06
Tatar-Mishar


24.24
North_German


24.55
Tatar_Kryashen


24.87
Dane


25.02
Swede


26.11
Tatar-Kazan


26.17
German_East


26.56
Serb_Serbia


27.02
Komi


27.83
Norwegian_East


27.86
Tatar-Lithuanian


27.89
Montenegrian


28.48
Dutch


28.87
Tatar


29.14
South_German


30.07
Macedonian


30.24
Tatar_Lithuania


30.34
Norwegian_West


30.55
Icelandic


30.59
Saami_Finland


31.19
German-Volga


31.80
Bulgarian


31.84
Belgian


32.05
Frisian


32.46
North_European


32.71
Chuvash


32.77
English


33.03
Irish


33.22
Chuvashs


34.13
Gagauz


34.88
CEU


35.18
English_Kent_GBR


35.24
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR


35.60
Romanian


35.64
British


36.12
Orcadian


36.51
English_Cornwall_GBR


36.55
Saami


36.57
Welsh


36.64
Aleut


38.71
Crimean_Tatar_Step


39.11
Mari


39.51
Italian_North


41.17
Yukagir_Forest


41.24
Greek_Thessaloniki


41.39
Kosovar


42.25
Greek_Thessaly


42.31
Greek_Northwest


42.32
Udmurd


42.62
Albanian_Tirana


42.67
French


42.74
Greek_Peloponnesos


43.82
Bashkir


44.20
Roma_Slovenian


44.32
Greek_Macedonia


44.58
Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


45.10
Central_Greek


46.42
Greek


46.95
Crimean_Tatar_Coast


47.38
Azov_Greek


48.37
Greek_Athens


48.65
Ashkenazi


48.95
Greek_Phokaia


49.27
Nogai


49.32
Italian_Piedmont


49.72
Italian_Tuscan


49.90
Ashkenazi_Jew


50.20
Turk_Aydin


50.22
Italian_Bergamo


50.28
Romanian_Jew


50.68
Turk_Balikesir


50.76
Turk_Istanbul


50.86
Italian_South


50.95
Portugese


50.96
Sicilian_West


51.44
Sicilian_Siracusa


52.10
Kabardin


52.23
Cretan


52.27
Sicilian_Trapani


52.29
Tabassaran


52.29
Sicilian_East


52.44
Tlingit


52.69
Sicilian_Center


52.71
Italian_Abruzzo


52.75
Kumyk


52.76
Spanish_Baleares_IBS


52.92
Roma


53.11
Spaniard


53.14
Lak


53.21
Stalskoe_Kumyk


53.22
Avar


53.22
Circassian


53.57
Maltese


53.67
Chechen


53.69
Dargin_Urkarah


53.89
Sicilian_Agrigento


54.29
Cirkassian


54.29
Spanish_Galicia_IBS


54.32
Lezgin


54.42
Spanish_Cataluna_IBS


54.51
Roma_Bulgarian


54.57
Adygei


54.89
Turk


54.96
Puerto_Rican


54.98
Balkar


55.02
Spanish_Extremadura_IBS


55.37
Tatar-Siberian


55.50
Tsimsian


55.65
Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan


55.65
Tajik_Tajikistan


55.87
Tajik_Yagnobi


55.89
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS


55.98
Greek_Smyrna


56.01
North_Ossetian


56.28
French_Jew


56.61
Roma_Macedonian


56.80
Spanish_Canarias_IBS


57.02
Roma_BH


57.06
Greek_Islands


57.07
Uzbek


57.42
Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan


57.43
Georgian_Jew


57.53
Turkmen_Uzbekistan


57.59
Spanish_Murcia_IBS


57.79
Turk_Jew


57.89
Turkmen_Afghan


58.12
Italian_Jew


58.35
Karakalpak


58.40
Sephardic_Jew


58.49
Ossetian


58.52
Turk_Adana


58.65
Azeri_Dagestan


58.73
Turk_Kayseri


58.83
Spanish_Valencia_IBS


58.90
Uygur-Han


59.09
Spanish_Andalucia_IBS


59.33
Moroccan_Jew


59.39
Colombian


59.78
Even


60.04
Spanish_Cantabria_IBS


60.13
Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS


60.24
Syrian_Jew


60.34
Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim


60.57
Kurd_North


60.79
Spanish_Aragon_IBS


60.82
Uzbek_Tashkent


60.94
Ain_Touta_WGA


61.30
Cypriot


61.33
Azeri


61.34
Baku_WGA


61.39
Kurd_South


61.40
Lebanese_Muslim


61.46
Lebanese


61.60
Uzbek_Afghan


61.83
Tajik_Afghan


61.94
Libyan_Jew


62.05
Jordanian


62.08
Tunisian_Jew


62.26
Syrian


62.30
Afghan_Pushtun


62.49
Uzbekistani_Jew


62.51
Armenian


62.78
Kazahs


62.87
Mexican_CV


62.91
Kurd_East


62.98
Iraki


62.99
Muslim_Arabs_Israel


63.01
Uygur


63.01
Kurd


63.02
Palestinian


63.03
Lebanese_Druze


63.09
Iraqi_Chaldean


63.40
French_South


63.42
Assyrian_Iraqi


63.53
Armenian_Yerevan


63.59
Druze


63.72
Iranian


63.90
Kurd_Jew


63.91
Jew_Tat


63.94
Lebanese_Christian


64.01
Iraqi_Jew


64.10
Egyptian_Iskandaria


64.31
Iranian_Jew


64.44
Pashtun_Afghani


64.47
Iraqi_Mandean


64.48
Kazakh


64.49
Assyrian_Arzni


64.58
Pakistani_Pushtun


64.59
Samaritian


64.66
Turk_Trabzon


64.71
Egyptian_Kairo


64.98
Christian_Arabs_Israel


64.99
BedouinA


64.99
Egyptian_Mansoura


65.15
Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh


65.26
Egyptian_Tanta


65.47
Miwok


65.50
Hazara


65.70
Egyptian_Kuwait


65.84
Egyptian_Cairo


66.23
Kakheti


66.42
Mexican


66.43
Adjara


66.63
Yemen


66.66
Abkhasian


67.04
Parsi


67.20
Georgian_Svan


67.42
Georgian_Tbilisi


67.46
Georgian_Megrelia


67.47
Georgian


68.02
Jatt_Haryana


68.67
Georgian_Imereti


68.90
Georgian_Laz


69.17
Kyrgyz_Bishkek


70.11
Australian_ECCAC


70.59
Ojibwa


70.78
Haida


70.89
Yukagir_Tundra


71.60
Yemenite_Jew


71.67
Kyrgyz


72.12
Tunisian


72.23
Pathan


72.32
Hakas


72.35
Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS


72.55
Shaigi_Sudan


72.98
Cochin_Jew


73.12
Mumbai_Jew


73.14
Serrano


73.40
Algerian


74.04
Nepalese


74.13
Jatt_Pahari


74.70
Burusho


74.82
Selkup


74.85
Ayta_AE


75.04
Saudi


75.05
Jatt_Muslim


75.47
Algonquin


75.61
Spiti


76.29
Tiwari


76.29
Moroccan


76.46
Altaian


76.52
Cree


76.78
GujaratiA_GIH


76.86
Mamanawa


76.98
West_Greenland


77.68
Mansi


78.18
Punjabi_Gujjar


78.73
Hindi


78.76
Mongolian


79.08
Pakistani


79.13
Ati


79.14
Kalmyk


79.29
Morocco_South


79.68
Pahari


79.83
Amhara


79.85
Sindhi


79.89
Agta_AG


79.91
Kensiu


80.00
Ethiopian_Tygray


80.35
Vaish


80.61
Qatari


80.92
GujaratiB_GIH


80.92
Jehai


80.96
Manggarai


80.98
Lamaholt


81.11
Ethiopian_Jew


81.23
Afar_WGA


81.31
Basque_Spanish


81.37
Tamil_Singapore


81.37
Tuvinian


81.58
Lembata


81.60
Brahmins_UP


81.61
Mongolian_QH


81.70
Marathi


81.71
Malay_Malasia


81.73
Makrani


81.86
Mon


81.90
Kshatriya


82.12
Tubalar


82.69
Malay_Singapore


82.85
Sandawe


82.89
Kambera


82.91
Basque_French


82.99
Mongol_Khalkha


83.11
Brahmin_Tamil


83.29
Dhaka_mixed_popul


83.58
Mongola_China


83.62
Hema


83.67
Sardinian


83.76
Balochi


83.76
Buryat


83.95
Masai_Ayodo


84.13
Batak_Toba


84.18
Xibo


84.24
Esomali


84.25
Iraya


84.29
Kikuyu


84.34
Berber_WGA


84.49
Alorese


84.60
Wolyata


84.85
Agta


84.88
Khwe


84.88
Aeta


84.89
TN_Brahmin


84.90
Temuan


84.92
Ethiopian_Oromo


85.01
Batak_Karo


85.14
Ryukyuan


85.35
Shua


85.35
Han-Mandarin


85.59
Karen


85.76
Bengali


85.79
Khomani


85.86
Masai_Kinyawa_MKK


85.87
Thai


86.02
Chabakano


86.10
Datog


86.23
Kusunda


86.26
Paluang


86.31
Somali


86.31
Telugu_Kannada


86.33
Korean_KR


86.49
Lawa


86.54
Japanese_ML


86.59
Oroqen


86.59
Saharawi


86.61
Meghawal


86.69
Srivastava


86.73
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL


86.88
Cochimi


86.91
Nama


87.01
GujaratiC_GIH


87.07
Mlabri


87.19
Jinuo


87.27
Wa


87.27
Dharkar


87.35
Sunda


87.41
Chinese_Taiwan


87.42
Tagalog


87.47
Javanese


87.48
Tu


87.48
Afroamerican


87.51
Manobo


87.53
Daur


87.57
Plang


87.59
Han_Singapore


87.59
Brahui


87.60
Cambodian


87.60
Malay


87.67
Hakka


87.72
Onge


87.92
Htin


87.93
Hezhen


88.03
Alur


88.07
Khmer_Cambodian


88.07
Tshwa


88.11
Haiom


88.14
Filipino


88.23
Dayak


88.24
Nenets


88.25
Toraja


88.30
Lambadi


88.34
Dinka


88.36
Chilote


88.40
Sudanese


88.43
Yakut


88.44
Ket


88.49
Kgalagadi


88.64
Anuak


88.71
Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB


88.71
Muslim_India


88.76
Cantonese


88.77
Marwadi_Middle_caste


88.80
Tai_Yuan


88.85
Yao


88.89
Korean


88.92
Jagoi


88.94
Kumiai


89.17
Mentawai


89.25
Kanjar


89.25
Sotho_Tswana


89.34
Japanese


89.34
!Kung


89.36
Lemba


89.38
Hmong


89.44
Hmong_Miao


89.51
Tai_Khuen


89.58
Yong


89.62
Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus


89.63
AA_Denver


89.69
Han_North


89.79
Xhosa


89.81
Han


89.92
Tai_Lue


90.01
Kalash


90.03
Khant


90.04
Ari


90.10
Bulala


90.39
Tujia


90.40
Hadza


90.43
Jiamao


90.67
Dolgan


90.74
Australian


90.94
Bantu_SA_Tswana


90.96
Zhuang


91.12
She


91.12
Bajo


91.25
Vietnamese


91.37
Tswana


91.39
GujaratiD_GIH


91.54
Ilocano


91.55
Bantu_SA_Pedi


91.85
Ulchi


91.88
Luo


91.91
Miao


91.92
BiakaPygmy


92.07
BantuKenya


92.09
Bantu_SA_S_Sotho


92.20
Tharu


92.59
Vietnamese_north


92.67
Gana


92.81
Vietnamese_central


93.02
Velama


93.09
Bhili


93.11
Luhya_Kenya_LWK


93.20
Kinh_Vietnam_KHV


93.23
Gumuz


93.29
Velamas


93.49
Vietnamese_south


93.49
Athabask


93.55
Pedi


93.73
Chukchi


93.83
Gond


93.95
Lodhi


93.97
Tibetian_Madou


94.15
Iban


94.25
Satnami


94.36
Scheduled_Caste_UP


94.40
Naxi


94.47
Tibetian_TTR


94.61
Yi


94.72
Mada


95.11
Chinese_Dai


95.14
Piramalai_Kallar


95.16
Bantu_SA_Zulu


95.22
Dai


95.29
Nguni


95.38
Dusadh


95.95
Lahu


96.03
African_Caribbean


96.04
Naidu


96.19
Cucupa


96.33
Chukchi_Sir


96.38
Tongan


96.49
Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu


96.58
Ho


96.89
Evenk


96.99
Bhil


97.04
Hoan


97.04
Kol


97.20
Chenchu


97.49
Kharia


97.60
Samoan


97.79
Vishwabrahmin


97.91
Hadza_Henn


98.00
Nysha


98.09
Hadza_Henn_WGA


98.13
Mozabite


98.20
Nenets_Tundra


98.24
Gui


98.25
Lebbo


98.42
Vysya


98.62
Kamsali


98.77
Xuun


98.88
Naga


99.02
Dusun


99.17
Navajo


99.20
Nenets_Forest


99.27
Chamar


99.44
Bantu_SA_Herero


99.50
Hakkipikki


99.76
Bhunjia


99.76
Damara


99.82
Kaba


99.91
Dhurwa


99.99
Sakilli


100.12
Fang


100.14
Bantu_SA_Ovambo


100.28
Himba


100.69
Aonaga


100.71
Nihali


100.80
Kurumba


100.91
Murut


101.62
Wambo


101.76
Mala


102.04
Santhal


102.17
TN_Dalit


102.57
Hallaki


102.79
Bamoun


102.86
Madiga


102.90
Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL


103.11
Naasioi


103.15
Apache


103.56
Gambian_GWD


103.75
Brong


104.07
Taa_East


104.11
Hausa


104.22
Ju_hoan_South


104.24
Igbo


104.37
Mandenka


104.47
Malayan


104.50
BedouinB


104.57
Taa_West


104.77
Bambaran


105.14
Esan_Nigeria_ESN


105.26
Yoruba


105.60
Dogon


106.64
MbutiPygmy


106.64
Naro


106.90
Taa_North


107.16
Bolivian


107.58
Atayal


107.79
Eskimo_Sireniki


107.96
Luiseno


108.09
Pygmy


108.42
Paniya


108.93
Ju_hoan_North


109.22
Pulliyar


109.72
Koryak


110.51
Bolivian_Pando


111.24
Mayan


111.46
Itelmen


111.71
Eskimo_Naukan


111.97
Quechua_Peru


112.14
Bolivian_Cochabamba


112.38
Inga


112.67
Atayal_Coriell


114.07
Eskimo_Chaplin


115.62
Totonac


115.73
Pima


115.75
Mixtec


116.04
Cachi


116.19
Ami


116.44
Zapotec


116.49
Nganasan


116.62
Piapoco


116.62
Igorot


117.01
Bolivian_LaPaz

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TheMaestro
06-29-2020, 10:31 PM
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.

Zoro
06-29-2020, 10:41 PM
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.

But it doesn't show that because if it did then Polish and Estonians should show closer to E. Asians/American Indians (shaded blue) than to Sub-saharans (shaded brown).

If this basic thing is not correct how can one trust the output of the calculator as being accurate.

Coastal Elite
06-29-2020, 10:53 PM
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.

A few of these calculators plotted me with French and German and it made me look like a damn fool in front of friends, family, and neighbors. Uncle Popa make jokes and others laughed. Nobody needs this type of abuse.

Zoro
06-29-2020, 11:06 PM
I spoke with Dilawer fo Eurasian DNA and he told me that the reason these calculators are showing these types of results is that the calculator makers don't seem to be familiar with the fact that many genotyped positions from DNA testing companies are associated with alleles common to all humans including Africans, Europeans, and E. Asians and due to this lack of awareness and possibly bionformatics analysis and processing skills they are not able to exclude those positions from their calculators.

Dilawer suggested some of this could also be attributed to reference bias in the Hg19 / GrCh37 human reference. He mentioned that he became aware of this issue a couple of years ago and has taken steps to mitigate it in his calculator products (he is referring to his most recent calculators and not to his outdated ones at Gedmatch)

TheMaestro
06-29-2020, 11:17 PM
A few of these calculators plotted me with French and German and it made me look like a damn fool in front of friends, family, and neighbors. Uncle Popa make jokes and others laughed. Nobody needs this type of abuse.

Imagine an Albanian ploting right above Serbia XDDDDDDDDDD

Chris596
06-29-2020, 11:40 PM
Interesting stuff. I just checked MDLP K23b. Anyway I'm closer to Saami, Tatar, Turkish and most East Eurasians than the Polish average, but it's obvious why. 500 results are all below 85.

Zoro
06-29-2020, 11:52 PM
Interesting stuff. I just checked MDLP K23b. Anyway I'm closer to Saami, Tatar, Turkish and most East Eurasians than the Polish average, but it's obvious why. 500 results are all below 85.

Yeah that would make sense based on your background but the ordering of the populations and distances should be taken with a grain of salt.

Dilawer showed me how to properly filter out problematic positions from analysis which I did and I used a simple IBD plink program. This is what I got for Estonians. The table is sorted with the closest on top. At least this one makes sense because Estonians show closer to E. Asians/American Indians as they should.


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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-1.DG
0.835126
1.00
2.24


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-2.DG
0.835057
0.47
1.99


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-2.DG
0.834101
0.24
1.94


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-3.DG
0.833958
0.69
2.04


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-2.DG
0.833899
0.29
1.96


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-1.DG
0.833736
0.66
2.03


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-2.DG
0.833603
0.19
1.93


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-1.DG
0.833467
0.01
1.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-2.DG
0.833302
0.76
2.06


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-1.DG
0.832657
0.30
1.96


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ3
ID001
0.832577
0.00
1.77


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-1.DG
0.832203
0.06
1.88


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-1.DG
0.831463
0.03
1.86


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-2.DG
0.831279
0.01
1.83


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Armenian.DG
S_Armenian-2.DG
0.830708
0.00
1.74


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ1
ID001
0.830566
0.01
1.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Lezgin.DG
S_Lezgin-2.DG
0.83027
0.00
1.80


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-2.DG
0.830155
0.01
1.84


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-2.DG
0.830134
0.00
1.71


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-1.DG
0.829939
0.26
1.95


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Lezgin.DG
S_Lezgin-1.DG
0.829934
0.00
1.74


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-1.DG
0.829929
0.02
1.85


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Turkish.DG
S_Turkish-2.DG
0.829885
0.00
1.68


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-2.DG
0.829776
0.01
1.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-2.DG
0.829614
0.20
1.93


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Uyghur.DG
S_Uygur-1.DG
0.829272
0.00
1.80


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-2.DG
0.829169
0.03
1.86


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Armenian.DG
S_Armenian-1.DG
0.828857
0.00
1.73


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kalash.DG
S_Kalash-2.DG
0.828835
0.00
1.51


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Germany_EN_LBK_Stuttgart_published.DG
Stuttgart_published.DG
0.828815
0.00
1.60


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sindhi.DG
S_Sindhi-2.DG
0.828756
0.00
1.66


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Turkish.DG
S_Turkish-1.DG
0.82874
0.00
1.73


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Iranian.DG
S_Iranian-2.DG
0.828693
0.00
1.69


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-1.DG
0.828625
0.00
1.39


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
Loschbour_snpAD.DG
0.828607
0.00
1.03


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-4.DG
0.828531
0.00
1.74


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
B_Sardinian-3.DG
0.828257
0.00
1.71


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kalash.DG
S_Kalash-1.DG
0.82813
0.00
1.38


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Makrani.DG
S_Makrani-1.DG
0.828063
0.00
1.72


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Uyghur.DG
S_Uygur-2.DG
0.827859
0.00
1.69


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-1.DG
0.827743
0.00
1.57


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Iranian.DG
S_Iranian-1.DG
0.827647
0.00
1.76


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Brahui.DG
S_Brahui-1.DG
0.827345
0.00
1.64


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Balochi.DG
S_Balochi-2.DG
0.827318
0.00
1.54


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sindhi.DG
S_Sindhi-1.DG
0.82698
0.00
1.40


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-2.DG
0.826775
0.00
1.53


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-3.DG
0.826516
0.00
1.56


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Brahui.DG
S_Brahui-2.DG
0.826011
0.00
1.40


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kapu.DG
S_Kapu-1.DG
0.825921
0.00
1.53


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-1.DG
0.825858
0.00
1.51


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kapu.DG
S_Kapu-2.DG
0.825402
0.00
1.37


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yakut.DG
S_Yakut-1.DG
0.825334
0.00
1.11


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mongola.DG
S_Mongola-1.DG
0.825291
0.00
1.08


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
BedouinB.DG
S_BedouinB-2.DG
0.825177
0.00
1.57


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Makrani.DG
S_Makrani-2.DG
0.825146
0.00
1.25


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yakut.DG
S_Yakut-2.DG
0.824734
0.00
1.09


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mongola.DG
S_Mongola-2.DG
0.82458
0.00
1.04


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Balochi.DG
S_Balochi-1.DG
0.824348
0.00
1.28


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
S_Han-2.DG
0.824027
0.00
1.02


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-1.DG
0.82341
0.00
1.00


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
BedouinB.DG
S_BedouinB-1.DG
0.823404
0.00
1.31


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-3.DG
0.823285
0.00
1.04


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
B_Dai-4.DG
0.823138
0.00
0.97


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
B_Han-3.DG
0.822953
0.00
1.04


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-2.DG
0.822646
0.00
0.99


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
S_Karitiana-2.DG
0.822586
0.00
0.59


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
S_Karitiana-1.DG
0.822585
0.00
0.62


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-1.DG
0.822413
0.00
0.97


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
S_Han-1.DG
0.822308
0.00
1.03


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-3.DG
0.822294
0.00
0.92


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
B_Karitiana-3.DG
0.822009
0.00
0.63


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
A_Dai-5.DG
0.821557
0.00
0.98


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-2.DG
0.821112
0.00
0.99


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
China_Lahu.DG
S_Lahu-1.DG
0.820981
0.00
1.00


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
China_Lahu.DG
S_Lahu-2.DG
0.820858
0.00
0.90


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Buryat.DG
Buryats2.DG
0.810582
0.00
0.00


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Buryat.DG
Buryats1.DG
0.810412
0.00
0.00


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Somali.DG
S_Somali-1.DG
0.795009
0.00
1.00


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Masai.DG
S_Masai-1.DG
0.78638
0.00
0.96


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Masai.DG
S_Masai-2.DG
0.786154
0.00
0.93


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luhya.DG
S_Luhya-2.DG
0.773787
0.00
0.78


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luhya.DG
S_Luhya-1.DG
0.772916
0.00
0.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-3.DG
0.770698
0.00
0.59


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-1.DG
0.770615
0.00
0.73


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-2.DG
0.770093
0.00
0.72


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-1.DG
0.769913
0.00
0.57


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
B_Mbuti-4.DG
0.769343
0.00
0.55


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-2.DG
0.769232
0.00
0.54


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
B_Yoruba-3.DG
0.768455
0.00
0.72

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Zoro
06-29-2020, 11:54 PM
When we sort the table by IBS binomial test PPC > 0.001 these are the only ones left from the table close to Estonian. Sorted from closest to furthest


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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-1.DG
0.835126
1.00
2.24


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-2.DG
0.833302
0.76
2.06


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-3.DG
0.833958
0.69
2.04


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-1.DG
0.833736
0.66
2.03


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-2.DG
0.835057
0.47
1.99


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-1.DG
0.832657
0.30
1.96


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-2.DG
0.833899
0.29
1.96


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-1.DG
0.829939
0.26
1.95


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-2.DG
0.834101
0.24
1.94


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-2.DG
0.829614
0.20
1.93


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-2.DG
0.833603
0.19
1.93


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-1.DG
0.832203
0.06
1.88


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-1.DG
0.831463
0.03
1.86


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-2.DG
0.829169
0.03
1.86


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-1.DG
0.829929
0.02
1.85


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-2.DG
0.830155
0.01
1.84


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-2.DG
0.831279
0.01
1.83


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-2.DG
0.829776
0.01
1.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-1.DG
0.833467
0.01
1.82


Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ1
ID001
0.830566
0.01
1.82

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Trouble
06-30-2020, 12:16 AM
Gedmatch is not good for determining actual relatedness because it cannot account for how different each of the individual components are to one another. Depending on the calculator, certain regional differences can be exaggerated at the expense of others.

For example on Eurogenes calcs you can have one component for Baltic and another for North Sea as well as SSA and East Asian. In reality these would be super close to one another on a global similarity map, practically overlapping yet for the intent of that calculator Baltic is just as close to SSA as it is to North Sea.

Zoro
06-30-2020, 12:28 AM
Gedmatch is not good for determining actual relatedness because it cannot account for how different each of the individual components are to one another. Depending on the calculator, certain regional differences can be exaggerated at the expense of others.

For example on Eurogenes calcs you can have one component for Baltic and another for North Sea as well as SSA and East Asian. In reality these would be super close to one another on a global similarity map, practically overlapping yet for the intent of that calculator Baltic is just as close to SSA as it is to North Sea.

The thing is though all these calculator makers should simply filter out alleles with high frequencies before making the calculator so that there calculators would be more accurate. With a little help from Dilawer even I was able to do that for the Plink IBS run i posted on the previous page. That's why on my run Estonians correctly show closer to E. Asians/American Indians than to SSA.

Zoro
06-30-2020, 12:52 AM
......

FinalFlash
06-30-2020, 01:00 AM
I spoke with Dilawer fo Eurasian DNA and he told me that the reason these calculators are showing these types of results is that the calculator makers don't seem to be familiar with the fact that many genotyped positions from DNA testing companies are associated with alleles common to all humans including Africans, Europeans, and E. Asians and due to this lack of awareness and possibly bionformatics analysis and processing skills they are not able to exclude those positions from their calculators.

Dilawer suggested some of this could also be attributed to reference bias in the Hg19 / GrCh37 human reference. He mentioned that he became aware of this issue a couple of years ago and has taken steps to mitigate it in his calculator products (he is referring to his most recent calculators and not to his outdated ones at Gedmatch)

I think everyone is aware of the fact that these are amateur tools and that they aren't perfect. But what other choice do we have at this point? qpAdm? Nobody knows how to run this other than a handful of people as far as I know.

Kyp
06-30-2020, 05:45 AM
common sense

Dlav
06-30-2020, 06:12 AM
To show that the problem exists for all calculator projects. Here is MDLP K23


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MDLP K23b


Distance to: POLE


2.08
Belarusian


2.62
Belarusian_South


3.71
Russian_Center


3.82
Ukrainian


3.83
Belarusian_Russian


3.85
Mixed_East_Slav


4.49
Don_cossack


5.25
Balt


5.28
Ukrainian_East


5.41
Kuban_cossack


5.96
Russian_South


6.11
Belarusian-East


6.39
Russian-North-West


6.40
Belarusian_West


6.40
Ukrainian_Center


6.79
Russian-West


7.45
Lithuanian


7.48
Sorb


8.21
Estonian


8.44
Latvian


8.56
Mordovian


8.62
Russian_North


9.33
Kashub


9.61
Russian_Meshtchyora


9.64
Russian-Upper-Volga


9.93
Russian_Vologda


10.97
Ukrainian_West


11.25
Russian-North


13.06
Erzya


13.18
Vepsa


13.34
Slovak


13.43
Finnish_FIN


14.23
Karelian


14.36
Finn


15.08
Moksha


15.37
German


15.51
Finnish-East


15.66
Finn_East


16.49
Finn_West


16.54
Czech


17.94
Russian-Ural


18.40
Croat_BH


18.85
Slovenian


19.20
Hungarian


19.33
Hungarian_Budapest


20.66
Bosnian


21.12
Saami_Kola


21.39
Croat


21.47
Tatar_Mishar


22.06
Swede_Saami


22.13
Serb_BH


23.27
Austrian


24.06
Tatar-Mishar


24.24
North_German


24.55
Tatar_Kryashen


24.87
Dane


25.02
Swede


26.11
Tatar-Kazan


26.17
German_East


26.56
Serb_Serbia


27.02
Komi


27.83
Norwegian_East


27.86
Tatar-Lithuanian


27.89
Montenegrian


28.48
Dutch


28.87
Tatar


29.14
South_German


30.07
Macedonian


30.24
Tatar_Lithuania


30.34
Norwegian_West


30.55
Icelandic


30.59
Saami_Finland


31.19
German-Volga


31.80
Bulgarian


31.84
Belgian


32.05
Frisian


32.46
North_European


32.71
Chuvash


32.77
English


33.03
Irish


33.22
Chuvashs


34.13
Gagauz


34.88
CEU


35.18
English_Kent_GBR


35.24
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR


35.60
Romanian


35.64
British


36.12
Orcadian


36.51
English_Cornwall_GBR


36.55
Saami


36.57
Welsh


36.64
Aleut


38.71
Crimean_Tatar_Step


39.11
Mari


39.51
Italian_North


41.17
Yukagir_Forest


41.24
Greek_Thessaloniki


41.39
Kosovar


42.25
Greek_Thessaly


42.31
Greek_Northwest


42.32
Udmurd


42.62
Albanian_Tirana


42.67
French


42.74
Greek_Peloponnesos


43.82
Bashkir


44.20
Roma_Slovenian


44.32
Greek_Macedonia


44.58
Crimean_Tatar_Mountain


45.10
Central_Greek


46.42
Greek


46.95
Crimean_Tatar_Coast


47.38
Azov_Greek


48.37
Greek_Athens


48.65
Ashkenazi


48.95
Greek_Phokaia


49.27
Nogai


49.32
Italian_Piedmont


49.72
Italian_Tuscan


49.90
Ashkenazi_Jew


50.20
Turk_Aydin


50.22
Italian_Bergamo


50.28
Romanian_Jew


50.68
Turk_Balikesir


50.76
Turk_Istanbul


50.86
Italian_South


50.95
Portugese


50.96
Sicilian_West


51.44
Sicilian_Siracusa


52.10
Kabardin


52.23
Cretan


52.27
Sicilian_Trapani


52.29
Tabassaran


52.29
Sicilian_East


52.44
Tlingit


52.69
Sicilian_Center


52.71
Italian_Abruzzo


52.75
Kumyk


52.76
Spanish_Baleares_IBS


52.92
Roma


53.11
Spaniard


53.14
Lak


53.21
Stalskoe_Kumyk


53.22
Avar


53.22
Circassian


53.57
Maltese


53.67
Chechen


53.69
Dargin_Urkarah


53.89
Sicilian_Agrigento


54.29
Cirkassian


54.29
Spanish_Galicia_IBS


54.32
Lezgin


54.42
Spanish_Cataluna_IBS


54.51
Roma_Bulgarian


54.57
Adygei


54.89
Turk


54.96
Puerto_Rican


54.98
Balkar


55.02
Spanish_Extremadura_IBS


55.37
Tatar-Siberian


55.50
Tsimsian


55.65
Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan


55.65
Tajik_Tajikistan


55.87
Tajik_Yagnobi


55.89
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS


55.98
Greek_Smyrna


56.01
North_Ossetian


56.28
French_Jew


56.61
Roma_Macedonian


56.80
Spanish_Canarias_IBS


57.02
Roma_BH


57.06
Greek_Islands


57.07
Uzbek


57.42
Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan


57.43
Georgian_Jew


57.53
Turkmen_Uzbekistan


57.59
Spanish_Murcia_IBS


57.79
Turk_Jew


57.89
Turkmen_Afghan


58.12
Italian_Jew


58.35
Karakalpak


58.40
Sephardic_Jew


58.49
Ossetian


58.52
Turk_Adana


58.65
Azeri_Dagestan


58.73
Turk_Kayseri


58.83
Spanish_Valencia_IBS


58.90
Uygur-Han


59.09
Spanish_Andalucia_IBS


59.33
Moroccan_Jew


59.39
Colombian


59.78
Even


60.04
Spanish_Cantabria_IBS


60.13
Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS


60.24
Syrian_Jew


60.34
Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim


60.57
Kurd_North


60.79
Spanish_Aragon_IBS


60.82
Uzbek_Tashkent


60.94
Ain_Touta_WGA


61.30
Cypriot


61.33
Azeri


61.34
Baku_WGA


61.39
Kurd_South


61.40
Lebanese_Muslim


61.46
Lebanese


61.60
Uzbek_Afghan


61.83
Tajik_Afghan


61.94
Libyan_Jew


62.05
Jordanian


62.08
Tunisian_Jew


62.26
Syrian


62.30
Afghan_Pushtun


62.49
Uzbekistani_Jew


62.51
Armenian


62.78
Kazahs


62.87
Mexican_CV


62.91
Kurd_East


62.98
Iraki


62.99
Muslim_Arabs_Israel


63.01
Uygur


63.01
Kurd


63.02
Palestinian


63.03
Lebanese_Druze


63.09
Iraqi_Chaldean


63.40
French_South


63.42
Assyrian_Iraqi


63.53
Armenian_Yerevan


63.59
Druze


63.72
Iranian


63.90
Kurd_Jew


63.91
Jew_Tat


63.94
Lebanese_Christian


64.01
Iraqi_Jew


64.10
Egyptian_Iskandaria


64.31
Iranian_Jew


64.44
Pashtun_Afghani


64.47
Iraqi_Mandean


64.48
Kazakh


64.49
Assyrian_Arzni


64.58
Pakistani_Pushtun


64.59
Samaritian


64.66
Turk_Trabzon


64.71
Egyptian_Kairo


64.98
Christian_Arabs_Israel


64.99
BedouinA


64.99
Egyptian_Mansoura


65.15
Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh


65.26
Egyptian_Tanta


65.47
Miwok


65.50
Hazara


65.70
Egyptian_Kuwait


65.84
Egyptian_Cairo


66.23
Kakheti


66.42
Mexican


66.43
Adjara


66.63
Yemen


66.66
Abkhasian


67.04
Parsi


67.20
Georgian_Svan


67.42
Georgian_Tbilisi


67.46
Georgian_Megrelia


67.47
Georgian


68.02
Jatt_Haryana


68.67
Georgian_Imereti


68.90
Georgian_Laz


69.17
Kyrgyz_Bishkek


70.11
Australian_ECCAC


70.59
Ojibwa


70.78
Haida


70.89
Yukagir_Tundra


71.60
Yemenite_Jew


71.67
Kyrgyz


72.12
Tunisian


72.23
Pathan


72.32
Hakas


72.35
Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS


72.55
Shaigi_Sudan


72.98
Cochin_Jew


73.12
Mumbai_Jew


73.14
Serrano


73.40
Algerian


74.04
Nepalese


74.13
Jatt_Pahari


74.70
Burusho


74.82
Selkup


74.85
Ayta_AE


75.04
Saudi


75.05
Jatt_Muslim


75.47
Algonquin


75.61
Spiti


76.29
Tiwari


76.29
Moroccan


76.46
Altaian


76.52
Cree


76.78
GujaratiA_GIH


76.86
Mamanawa


76.98
West_Greenland


77.68
Mansi


78.18
Punjabi_Gujjar


78.73
Hindi


78.76
Mongolian


79.08
Pakistani


79.13
Ati


79.14
Kalmyk


79.29
Morocco_South


79.68
Pahari


79.83
Amhara


79.85
Sindhi


79.89
Agta_AG


79.91
Kensiu


80.00
Ethiopian_Tygray


80.35
Vaish


80.61
Qatari


80.92
GujaratiB_GIH


80.92
Jehai


80.96
Manggarai


80.98
Lamaholt


81.11
Ethiopian_Jew


81.23
Afar_WGA


81.31
Basque_Spanish


81.37
Tamil_Singapore


81.37
Tuvinian


81.58
Lembata


81.60
Brahmins_UP


81.61
Mongolian_QH


81.70
Marathi


81.71
Malay_Malasia


81.73
Makrani


81.86
Mon


81.90
Kshatriya


82.12
Tubalar


82.69
Malay_Singapore


82.85
Sandawe


82.89
Kambera


82.91
Basque_French


82.99
Mongol_Khalkha


83.11
Brahmin_Tamil


83.29
Dhaka_mixed_popul


83.58
Mongola_China


83.62
Hema


83.67
Sardinian


83.76
Balochi


83.76
Buryat


83.95
Masai_Ayodo


84.13
Batak_Toba


84.18
Xibo


84.24
Esomali


84.25
Iraya


84.29
Kikuyu


84.34
Berber_WGA


84.49
Alorese


84.60
Wolyata


84.85
Agta


84.88
Khwe


84.88
Aeta


84.89
TN_Brahmin


84.90
Temuan


84.92
Ethiopian_Oromo


85.01
Batak_Karo


85.14
Ryukyuan


85.35
Shua


85.35
Han-Mandarin


85.59
Karen


85.76
Bengali


85.79
Khomani


85.86
Masai_Kinyawa_MKK


85.87
Thai


86.02
Chabakano


86.10
Datog


86.23
Kusunda


86.26
Paluang


86.31
Somali


86.31
Telugu_Kannada


86.33
Korean_KR


86.49
Lawa


86.54
Japanese_ML


86.59
Oroqen


86.59
Saharawi


86.61
Meghawal


86.69
Srivastava


86.73
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL


86.88
Cochimi


86.91
Nama


87.01
GujaratiC_GIH


87.07
Mlabri


87.19
Jinuo


87.27
Wa


87.27
Dharkar


87.35
Sunda


87.41
Chinese_Taiwan


87.42
Tagalog


87.47
Javanese


87.48
Tu


87.48
Afroamerican


87.51
Manobo


87.53
Daur


87.57
Plang


87.59
Han_Singapore


87.59
Brahui


87.60
Cambodian


87.60
Malay


87.67
Hakka


87.72
Onge


87.92
Htin


87.93
Hezhen


88.03
Alur


88.07
Khmer_Cambodian


88.07
Tshwa


88.11
Haiom


88.14
Filipino


88.23
Dayak


88.24
Nenets


88.25
Toraja


88.30
Lambadi


88.34
Dinka


88.36
Chilote


88.40
Sudanese


88.43
Yakut


88.44
Ket


88.49
Kgalagadi


88.64
Anuak


88.71
Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB


88.71
Muslim_India


88.76
Cantonese


88.77
Marwadi_Middle_caste


88.80
Tai_Yuan


88.85
Yao


88.89
Korean


88.92
Jagoi


88.94
Kumiai


89.17
Mentawai


89.25
Kanjar


89.25
Sotho_Tswana


89.34
Japanese


89.34
!Kung


89.36
Lemba


89.38
Hmong


89.44
Hmong_Miao


89.51
Tai_Khuen


89.58
Yong


89.62
Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus


89.63
AA_Denver


89.69
Han_North


89.79
Xhosa


89.81
Han


89.92
Tai_Lue


90.01
Kalash


90.03
Khant


90.04
Ari


90.10
Bulala


90.39
Tujia


90.40
Hadza


90.43
Jiamao


90.67
Dolgan


90.74
Australian


90.94
Bantu_SA_Tswana


90.96
Zhuang


91.12
She


91.12
Bajo


91.25
Vietnamese


91.37
Tswana


91.39
GujaratiD_GIH


91.54
Ilocano


91.55
Bantu_SA_Pedi


91.85
Ulchi


91.88
Luo


91.91
Miao


91.92
BiakaPygmy


92.07
BantuKenya


92.09
Bantu_SA_S_Sotho


92.20
Tharu


92.59
Vietnamese_north


92.67
Gana


92.81
Vietnamese_central


93.02
Velama


93.09
Bhili


93.11
Luhya_Kenya_LWK


93.20
Kinh_Vietnam_KHV


93.23
Gumuz


93.29
Velamas


93.49
Vietnamese_south


93.49
Athabask


93.55
Pedi


93.73
Chukchi


93.83
Gond


93.95
Lodhi


93.97
Tibetian_Madou


94.15
Iban


94.25
Satnami


94.36
Scheduled_Caste_UP


94.40
Naxi


94.47
Tibetian_TTR


94.61
Yi


94.72
Mada


95.11
Chinese_Dai


95.14
Piramalai_Kallar


95.16
Bantu_SA_Zulu


95.22
Dai


95.29
Nguni


95.38
Dusadh


95.95
Lahu


96.03
African_Caribbean


96.04
Naidu


96.19
Cucupa


96.33
Chukchi_Sir


96.38
Tongan


96.49
Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu


96.58
Ho


96.89
Evenk


96.99
Bhil


97.04
Hoan


97.04
Kol


97.20
Chenchu


97.49
Kharia


97.60
Samoan


97.79
Vishwabrahmin


97.91
Hadza_Henn


98.00
Nysha


98.09
Hadza_Henn_WGA


98.13
Mozabite


98.20
Nenets_Tundra


98.24
Gui


98.25
Lebbo


98.42
Vysya


98.62
Kamsali


98.77
Xuun


98.88
Naga


99.02
Dusun


99.17
Navajo


99.20
Nenets_Forest


99.27
Chamar


99.44
Bantu_SA_Herero


99.50
Hakkipikki


99.76
Bhunjia


99.76
Damara


99.82
Kaba


99.91
Dhurwa


99.99
Sakilli


100.12
Fang


100.14
Bantu_SA_Ovambo


100.28
Himba


100.69
Aonaga


100.71
Nihali


100.80
Kurumba


100.91
Murut


101.62
Wambo


101.76
Mala


102.04
Santhal


102.17
TN_Dalit


102.57
Hallaki


102.79
Bamoun


102.86
Madiga


102.90
Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL


103.11
Naasioi


103.15
Apache


103.56
Gambian_GWD


103.75
Brong


104.07
Taa_East


104.11
Hausa


104.22
Ju_hoan_South


104.24
Igbo


104.37
Mandenka


104.47
Malayan


104.50
BedouinB


104.57
Taa_West


104.77
Bambaran


105.14
Esan_Nigeria_ESN


105.26
Yoruba


105.60
Dogon


106.64
MbutiPygmy


106.64
Naro


106.90
Taa_North


107.16
Bolivian


107.58
Atayal


107.79
Eskimo_Sireniki


107.96
Luiseno


108.09
Pygmy


108.42
Paniya


108.93
Ju_hoan_North


109.22
Pulliyar


109.72
Koryak


110.51
Bolivian_Pando


111.24
Mayan


111.46
Itelmen


111.71
Eskimo_Naukan


111.97
Quechua_Peru


112.14
Bolivian_Cochabamba


112.38
Inga


112.67
Atayal_Coriell


114.07
Eskimo_Chaplin


115.62
Totonac


115.73
Pima


115.75
Mixtec


116.04
Cachi


116.19
Ami


116.44
Zapotec


116.49
Nganasan


116.62
Piapoco


116.62
Igorot


117.01
Bolivian_LaPaz

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Nah man you are waste yute tbh, Polish are Moor

Why you make a thread and base it about Polish people like you know something about them that I don't know?