View Full Version : Proof calculator distances don't reflect relatedness
Here's a simple test anyone can do to show that calculator distances don't show how closely related you are to different populations.
1- Go to Vahuado calculator page http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
2- Pick a calculator such as Eurogenes, MDLP, Dodecad, etc
3- Copy the Estonian or Polish average and paste it into the TARGET
4- Run 600 distances from Polish or Estonian average
If the distances correctly show you how close your relationship is then as everyone knows other Eurasians such as E. Asians and American Indians should be closer to Polish or Estonians since Europeans and E. Asians split from each other after they arrived in the Middle East (Eurasia) from Africa.
The ancestors of Europeans/E. Asians split from sub-saharan Africans much before that and therefore Europeans are much more related to E. Asians and American Indians than they are to Mbuti, Hadza, Yoruba etc.
Surprisingly this is not what Eurogenes, MDLP, Dodecad and other calculators show which means that you should take calculator results with a grain of salt.
Here is the output for Eurogenes K13. I'll discuss why these calculators are off in the next posts
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Distance to: POLE
Eurogenes K13 original spreadsheet
4.26
Russian_Smolensk
4.58
Ukrainian
4.69
South_Polish
5.13
Estonian_Polish
5.48
Belorussian
5.69
Ukrainian_Lviv
6.35
Southwest_Russian
6.89
Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.76
Estonian
9.59
Lithuanian
9.86
Kargopol_Russian
10.72
Finnish
11.04
Southwest_Finnish
12.19
East_Finnish
12.42
Croatian
13.55
Erzya
15.69
Hungarian
15.82
East_German
16.26
Moldavian
17.69
North_Swedish
18.21
Austrian
18.36
La_Brana-1
23.04
Serbian
23.31
Swedish
23.62
Tatar
24.74
North_German
26.83
Norwegian
27.15
West_German
27.18
Chuvash
27.26
Danish
27.61
Romanian
27.66
North_Dutch
28.01
South_Dutch
29.81
Orcadian
30.04
Bulgarian
30.24
Southeast_English
30.77
Irish
31.87
West_Scottish
32.18
Southwest_English
32.58
French
33.12
Mari
38.95
Spanish_Galicia
39.53
Spanish_Cataluna
39.54
Portuguese
40.01
Greek_Thessaly
40.12
Southwest_French
40.25
North_Italian
40.46
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
41.20
Spanish_Cantabria
41.58
Spanish_Extremadura
41.91
Spanish_Valencia
42.21
Spanish_Murcia
42.81
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
43.65
Tuscan
43.89
Spanish_Andalucia
45.03
Spanish_Aragon
46.82
Italian_Abruzzo
48.03
Central_Greek
48.38
West_Sicilian
49.24
East_Sicilian
49.35
MA-1
50.18
Nogay
50.41
Ashkenazi
52.15
French_Basque
52.34
Afghan_Turkmen
52.94
South_Italian
54.55
Tadjik
54.60
Uzbeki
55.00
Tabassaran
56.06
Chechen
56.38
Kumyk
56.42
Uygur
56.69
Lezgin
57.12
Kabardin
57.68
Aghan_Hazara
58.36
Afghan_Tadjik
58.46
Turkmen
58.47
Algerian_Jewish
58.58
Italian_Jewish
58.60
Sephardic_Jewish
59.32
Balkar
59.37
Shors
59.72
Turkish
59.88
Kazakh
59.94
Algerian
60.12
Hazara
60.24
Adygei
60.36
Mozabite_Berber
60.61
Afghan_Pashtun
60.65
Tunisian
60.86
Moroccan
61.12
North_Ossetian
61.97
Azeri
62.03
Tunisian_Jewish
62.06
Libyan_Jewish
63.16
Hakas
63.25
Ossetian
63.69
Sardinian
64.57
Kirgiz
64.72
Cyprian
65.79
Syrian
65.85
Lebanese_Muslim
66.53
Iranian
66.78
Kurdish
66.98
Kalash
67.20
Punjabi_Jat
67.29
Bedouin
67.46
Jordanian
67.55
Pathan
67.67
Egyptian
67.76
Burusho
68.61
Palestinian
68.87
Georgian_Jewish
69.47
Georgian
69.49
Assyrian
69.53
Ket
69.78
Armenian
69.89
Selkup
69.95
Altaian
69.95
West_Greenlander
70.29
Lebanese_Druze
70.53
Samaritan
70.69
Iranian_Jewish
71.43
Kurdish_Jewish
71.90
Lebanese_Christian
72.49
Abhkasian
73.10
Brahmin_UP
75.09
Saudi
75.11
Makrani
75.52
Sindhi
75.82
Balochi
75.94
Mongolian
77.47
Brahui
77.55
Kshatriya
77.87
Tuvinian
77.97
Gujarati
78.21
Bangladeshi
78.36
Yemenite_Jewish
78.49
Ethiopian_Tigray
79.04
Ethiopian_Amhara
81.12
East_Greenlander
81.47
Ethiopian_Oromo
82.29
Sandawe
82.84
Somali
83.21
Maasai
83.27
Buryat
83.65
Ethiopian_Wolayta
83.84
Dharkar
84.45
Kanjar
84.47
Chukchi
84.75
Tibeto-Burman_Burmese
85.91
Uttar_Pradesh
86.99
Koryak
87.52
Tu
87.60
Xibo
87.90
Kol
88.39
Hadza
88.57
Hezhen
88.97
North_Kannadi
89.61
Chenchu
89.73
San
89.99
Dolgan
90.16
Velamas
90.22
Kurumba
90.31
Dusadh
90.49
Sudanese
91.21
NAN_Melanesian
91.27
Ethiopian_Anuak
91.95
Yakut
91.98
Austroasiatic_Ho
92.03
Japanese
92.39
Malay
92.55
Naxi
92.86
Mbuti_Pygmy
92.89
Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
92.96
Yizu
93.17
Oroqen
93.47
Chamar
93.47
Piramalai
93.74
North_Amerindian
93.98
Bantu_N.E.
94.42
Sakilli
94.52
Ethiopian_Gumuz
94.84
Luhya
95.18
Cambodian
95.44
Evenki
97.24
Evens
98.43
Biaka_Pygmy
99.01
Lahu
99.84
Tujia
100.57
Miaozu
101.21
Mayan
101.75
Bantu_S.E.
102.20
She
102.61
Vietnamese
102.91
Bantu_S.W.
103.86
Pima
104.97
Mandenka
105.95
Dai
109.76
Papuan
110.23
Yoruban
113.61
Karitiana
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To show that the problem exists for all calculator projects. Here is MDLP K23
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MDLP K23b
Distance to: POLE
2.08
Belarusian
2.62
Belarusian_South
3.71
Russian_Center
3.82
Ukrainian
3.83
Belarusian_Russian
3.85
Mixed_East_Slav
4.49
Don_cossack
5.25
Balt
5.28
Ukrainian_East
5.41
Kuban_cossack
5.96
Russian_South
6.11
Belarusian-East
6.39
Russian-North-West
6.40
Belarusian_West
6.40
Ukrainian_Center
6.79
Russian-West
7.45
Lithuanian
7.48
Sorb
8.21
Estonian
8.44
Latvian
8.56
Mordovian
8.62
Russian_North
9.33
Kashub
9.61
Russian_Meshtchyora
9.64
Russian-Upper-Volga
9.93
Russian_Vologda
10.97
Ukrainian_West
11.25
Russian-North
13.06
Erzya
13.18
Vepsa
13.34
Slovak
13.43
Finnish_FIN
14.23
Karelian
14.36
Finn
15.08
Moksha
15.37
German
15.51
Finnish-East
15.66
Finn_East
16.49
Finn_West
16.54
Czech
17.94
Russian-Ural
18.40
Croat_BH
18.85
Slovenian
19.20
Hungarian
19.33
Hungarian_Budapest
20.66
Bosnian
21.12
Saami_Kola
21.39
Croat
21.47
Tatar_Mishar
22.06
Swede_Saami
22.13
Serb_BH
23.27
Austrian
24.06
Tatar-Mishar
24.24
North_German
24.55
Tatar_Kryashen
24.87
Dane
25.02
Swede
26.11
Tatar-Kazan
26.17
German_East
26.56
Serb_Serbia
27.02
Komi
27.83
Norwegian_East
27.86
Tatar-Lithuanian
27.89
Montenegrian
28.48
Dutch
28.87
Tatar
29.14
South_German
30.07
Macedonian
30.24
Tatar_Lithuania
30.34
Norwegian_West
30.55
Icelandic
30.59
Saami_Finland
31.19
German-Volga
31.80
Bulgarian
31.84
Belgian
32.05
Frisian
32.46
North_European
32.71
Chuvash
32.77
English
33.03
Irish
33.22
Chuvashs
34.13
Gagauz
34.88
CEU
35.18
English_Kent_GBR
35.24
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
35.60
Romanian
35.64
British
36.12
Orcadian
36.51
English_Cornwall_GBR
36.55
Saami
36.57
Welsh
36.64
Aleut
38.71
Crimean_Tatar_Step
39.11
Mari
39.51
Italian_North
41.17
Yukagir_Forest
41.24
Greek_Thessaloniki
41.39
Kosovar
42.25
Greek_Thessaly
42.31
Greek_Northwest
42.32
Udmurd
42.62
Albanian_Tirana
42.67
French
42.74
Greek_Peloponnesos
43.82
Bashkir
44.20
Roma_Slovenian
44.32
Greek_Macedonia
44.58
Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
45.10
Central_Greek
46.42
Greek
46.95
Crimean_Tatar_Coast
47.38
Azov_Greek
48.37
Greek_Athens
48.65
Ashkenazi
48.95
Greek_Phokaia
49.27
Nogai
49.32
Italian_Piedmont
49.72
Italian_Tuscan
49.90
Ashkenazi_Jew
50.20
Turk_Aydin
50.22
Italian_Bergamo
50.28
Romanian_Jew
50.68
Turk_Balikesir
50.76
Turk_Istanbul
50.86
Italian_South
50.95
Portugese
50.96
Sicilian_West
51.44
Sicilian_Siracusa
52.10
Kabardin
52.23
Cretan
52.27
Sicilian_Trapani
52.29
Tabassaran
52.29
Sicilian_East
52.44
Tlingit
52.69
Sicilian_Center
52.71
Italian_Abruzzo
52.75
Kumyk
52.76
Spanish_Baleares_IBS
52.92
Roma
53.11
Spaniard
53.14
Lak
53.21
Stalskoe_Kumyk
53.22
Avar
53.22
Circassian
53.57
Maltese
53.67
Chechen
53.69
Dargin_Urkarah
53.89
Sicilian_Agrigento
54.29
Cirkassian
54.29
Spanish_Galicia_IBS
54.32
Lezgin
54.42
Spanish_Cataluna_IBS
54.51
Roma_Bulgarian
54.57
Adygei
54.89
Turk
54.96
Puerto_Rican
54.98
Balkar
55.02
Spanish_Extremadura_IBS
55.37
Tatar-Siberian
55.50
Tsimsian
55.65
Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan
55.65
Tajik_Tajikistan
55.87
Tajik_Yagnobi
55.89
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS
55.98
Greek_Smyrna
56.01
North_Ossetian
56.28
French_Jew
56.61
Roma_Macedonian
56.80
Spanish_Canarias_IBS
57.02
Roma_BH
57.06
Greek_Islands
57.07
Uzbek
57.42
Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan
57.43
Georgian_Jew
57.53
Turkmen_Uzbekistan
57.59
Spanish_Murcia_IBS
57.79
Turk_Jew
57.89
Turkmen_Afghan
58.12
Italian_Jew
58.35
Karakalpak
58.40
Sephardic_Jew
58.49
Ossetian
58.52
Turk_Adana
58.65
Azeri_Dagestan
58.73
Turk_Kayseri
58.83
Spanish_Valencia_IBS
58.90
Uygur-Han
59.09
Spanish_Andalucia_IBS
59.33
Moroccan_Jew
59.39
Colombian
59.78
Even
60.04
Spanish_Cantabria_IBS
60.13
Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS
60.24
Syrian_Jew
60.34
Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim
60.57
Kurd_North
60.79
Spanish_Aragon_IBS
60.82
Uzbek_Tashkent
60.94
Ain_Touta_WGA
61.30
Cypriot
61.33
Azeri
61.34
Baku_WGA
61.39
Kurd_South
61.40
Lebanese_Muslim
61.46
Lebanese
61.60
Uzbek_Afghan
61.83
Tajik_Afghan
61.94
Libyan_Jew
62.05
Jordanian
62.08
Tunisian_Jew
62.26
Syrian
62.30
Afghan_Pushtun
62.49
Uzbekistani_Jew
62.51
Armenian
62.78
Kazahs
62.87
Mexican_CV
62.91
Kurd_East
62.98
Iraki
62.99
Muslim_Arabs_Israel
63.01
Uygur
63.01
Kurd
63.02
Palestinian
63.03
Lebanese_Druze
63.09
Iraqi_Chaldean
63.40
French_South
63.42
Assyrian_Iraqi
63.53
Armenian_Yerevan
63.59
Druze
63.72
Iranian
63.90
Kurd_Jew
63.91
Jew_Tat
63.94
Lebanese_Christian
64.01
Iraqi_Jew
64.10
Egyptian_Iskandaria
64.31
Iranian_Jew
64.44
Pashtun_Afghani
64.47
Iraqi_Mandean
64.48
Kazakh
64.49
Assyrian_Arzni
64.58
Pakistani_Pushtun
64.59
Samaritian
64.66
Turk_Trabzon
64.71
Egyptian_Kairo
64.98
Christian_Arabs_Israel
64.99
BedouinA
64.99
Egyptian_Mansoura
65.15
Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh
65.26
Egyptian_Tanta
65.47
Miwok
65.50
Hazara
65.70
Egyptian_Kuwait
65.84
Egyptian_Cairo
66.23
Kakheti
66.42
Mexican
66.43
Adjara
66.63
Yemen
66.66
Abkhasian
67.04
Parsi
67.20
Georgian_Svan
67.42
Georgian_Tbilisi
67.46
Georgian_Megrelia
67.47
Georgian
68.02
Jatt_Haryana
68.67
Georgian_Imereti
68.90
Georgian_Laz
69.17
Kyrgyz_Bishkek
70.11
Australian_ECCAC
70.59
Ojibwa
70.78
Haida
70.89
Yukagir_Tundra
71.60
Yemenite_Jew
71.67
Kyrgyz
72.12
Tunisian
72.23
Pathan
72.32
Hakas
72.35
Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS
72.55
Shaigi_Sudan
72.98
Cochin_Jew
73.12
Mumbai_Jew
73.14
Serrano
73.40
Algerian
74.04
Nepalese
74.13
Jatt_Pahari
74.70
Burusho
74.82
Selkup
74.85
Ayta_AE
75.04
Saudi
75.05
Jatt_Muslim
75.47
Algonquin
75.61
Spiti
76.29
Tiwari
76.29
Moroccan
76.46
Altaian
76.52
Cree
76.78
GujaratiA_GIH
76.86
Mamanawa
76.98
West_Greenland
77.68
Mansi
78.18
Punjabi_Gujjar
78.73
Hindi
78.76
Mongolian
79.08
Pakistani
79.13
Ati
79.14
Kalmyk
79.29
Morocco_South
79.68
Pahari
79.83
Amhara
79.85
Sindhi
79.89
Agta_AG
79.91
Kensiu
80.00
Ethiopian_Tygray
80.35
Vaish
80.61
Qatari
80.92
GujaratiB_GIH
80.92
Jehai
80.96
Manggarai
80.98
Lamaholt
81.11
Ethiopian_Jew
81.23
Afar_WGA
81.31
Basque_Spanish
81.37
Tamil_Singapore
81.37
Tuvinian
81.58
Lembata
81.60
Brahmins_UP
81.61
Mongolian_QH
81.70
Marathi
81.71
Malay_Malasia
81.73
Makrani
81.86
Mon
81.90
Kshatriya
82.12
Tubalar
82.69
Malay_Singapore
82.85
Sandawe
82.89
Kambera
82.91
Basque_French
82.99
Mongol_Khalkha
83.11
Brahmin_Tamil
83.29
Dhaka_mixed_popul
83.58
Mongola_China
83.62
Hema
83.67
Sardinian
83.76
Balochi
83.76
Buryat
83.95
Masai_Ayodo
84.13
Batak_Toba
84.18
Xibo
84.24
Esomali
84.25
Iraya
84.29
Kikuyu
84.34
Berber_WGA
84.49
Alorese
84.60
Wolyata
84.85
Agta
84.88
Khwe
84.88
Aeta
84.89
TN_Brahmin
84.90
Temuan
84.92
Ethiopian_Oromo
85.01
Batak_Karo
85.14
Ryukyuan
85.35
Shua
85.35
Han-Mandarin
85.59
Karen
85.76
Bengali
85.79
Khomani
85.86
Masai_Kinyawa_MKK
85.87
Thai
86.02
Chabakano
86.10
Datog
86.23
Kusunda
86.26
Paluang
86.31
Somali
86.31
Telugu_Kannada
86.33
Korean_KR
86.49
Lawa
86.54
Japanese_ML
86.59
Oroqen
86.59
Saharawi
86.61
Meghawal
86.69
Srivastava
86.73
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL
86.88
Cochimi
86.91
Nama
87.01
GujaratiC_GIH
87.07
Mlabri
87.19
Jinuo
87.27
Wa
87.27
Dharkar
87.35
Sunda
87.41
Chinese_Taiwan
87.42
Tagalog
87.47
Javanese
87.48
Tu
87.48
Afroamerican
87.51
Manobo
87.53
Daur
87.57
Plang
87.59
Han_Singapore
87.59
Brahui
87.60
Cambodian
87.60
Malay
87.67
Hakka
87.72
Onge
87.92
Htin
87.93
Hezhen
88.03
Alur
88.07
Khmer_Cambodian
88.07
Tshwa
88.11
Haiom
88.14
Filipino
88.23
Dayak
88.24
Nenets
88.25
Toraja
88.30
Lambadi
88.34
Dinka
88.36
Chilote
88.40
Sudanese
88.43
Yakut
88.44
Ket
88.49
Kgalagadi
88.64
Anuak
88.71
Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB
88.71
Muslim_India
88.76
Cantonese
88.77
Marwadi_Middle_caste
88.80
Tai_Yuan
88.85
Yao
88.89
Korean
88.92
Jagoi
88.94
Kumiai
89.17
Mentawai
89.25
Kanjar
89.25
Sotho_Tswana
89.34
Japanese
89.34
!Kung
89.36
Lemba
89.38
Hmong
89.44
Hmong_Miao
89.51
Tai_Khuen
89.58
Yong
89.62
Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus
89.63
AA_Denver
89.69
Han_North
89.79
Xhosa
89.81
Han
89.92
Tai_Lue
90.01
Kalash
90.03
Khant
90.04
Ari
90.10
Bulala
90.39
Tujia
90.40
Hadza
90.43
Jiamao
90.67
Dolgan
90.74
Australian
90.94
Bantu_SA_Tswana
90.96
Zhuang
91.12
She
91.12
Bajo
91.25
Vietnamese
91.37
Tswana
91.39
GujaratiD_GIH
91.54
Ilocano
91.55
Bantu_SA_Pedi
91.85
Ulchi
91.88
Luo
91.91
Miao
91.92
BiakaPygmy
92.07
BantuKenya
92.09
Bantu_SA_S_Sotho
92.20
Tharu
92.59
Vietnamese_north
92.67
Gana
92.81
Vietnamese_central
93.02
Velama
93.09
Bhili
93.11
Luhya_Kenya_LWK
93.20
Kinh_Vietnam_KHV
93.23
Gumuz
93.29
Velamas
93.49
Vietnamese_south
93.49
Athabask
93.55
Pedi
93.73
Chukchi
93.83
Gond
93.95
Lodhi
93.97
Tibetian_Madou
94.15
Iban
94.25
Satnami
94.36
Scheduled_Caste_UP
94.40
Naxi
94.47
Tibetian_TTR
94.61
Yi
94.72
Mada
95.11
Chinese_Dai
95.14
Piramalai_Kallar
95.16
Bantu_SA_Zulu
95.22
Dai
95.29
Nguni
95.38
Dusadh
95.95
Lahu
96.03
African_Caribbean
96.04
Naidu
96.19
Cucupa
96.33
Chukchi_Sir
96.38
Tongan
96.49
Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu
96.58
Ho
96.89
Evenk
96.99
Bhil
97.04
Hoan
97.04
Kol
97.20
Chenchu
97.49
Kharia
97.60
Samoan
97.79
Vishwabrahmin
97.91
Hadza_Henn
98.00
Nysha
98.09
Hadza_Henn_WGA
98.13
Mozabite
98.20
Nenets_Tundra
98.24
Gui
98.25
Lebbo
98.42
Vysya
98.62
Kamsali
98.77
Xuun
98.88
Naga
99.02
Dusun
99.17
Navajo
99.20
Nenets_Forest
99.27
Chamar
99.44
Bantu_SA_Herero
99.50
Hakkipikki
99.76
Bhunjia
99.76
Damara
99.82
Kaba
99.91
Dhurwa
99.99
Sakilli
100.12
Fang
100.14
Bantu_SA_Ovambo
100.28
Himba
100.69
Aonaga
100.71
Nihali
100.80
Kurumba
100.91
Murut
101.62
Wambo
101.76
Mala
102.04
Santhal
102.17
TN_Dalit
102.57
Hallaki
102.79
Bamoun
102.86
Madiga
102.90
Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL
103.11
Naasioi
103.15
Apache
103.56
Gambian_GWD
103.75
Brong
104.07
Taa_East
104.11
Hausa
104.22
Ju_hoan_South
104.24
Igbo
104.37
Mandenka
104.47
Malayan
104.50
BedouinB
104.57
Taa_West
104.77
Bambaran
105.14
Esan_Nigeria_ESN
105.26
Yoruba
105.60
Dogon
106.64
MbutiPygmy
106.64
Naro
106.90
Taa_North
107.16
Bolivian
107.58
Atayal
107.79
Eskimo_Sireniki
107.96
Luiseno
108.09
Pygmy
108.42
Paniya
108.93
Ju_hoan_North
109.22
Pulliyar
109.72
Koryak
110.51
Bolivian_Pando
111.24
Mayan
111.46
Itelmen
111.71
Eskimo_Naukan
111.97
Quechua_Peru
112.14
Bolivian_Cochabamba
112.38
Inga
112.67
Atayal_Coriell
114.07
Eskimo_Chaplin
115.62
Totonac
115.73
Pima
115.75
Mixtec
116.04
Cachi
116.19
Ami
116.44
Zapotec
116.49
Nganasan
116.62
Piapoco
116.62
Igorot
117.01
Bolivian_LaPaz
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TheMaestro
06-29-2020, 10:31 PM
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.
But it doesn't show that because if it did then Polish and Estonians should show closer to E. Asians/American Indians (shaded blue) than to Sub-saharans (shaded brown).
If this basic thing is not correct how can one trust the output of the calculator as being accurate.
Coastal Elite
06-29-2020, 10:53 PM
Ofcourse it doesn't what did you think, I thought it's a common sense. It doesn't show the real relatedness but the country your DNA is the closest.
So for example a half Irish and half Greek guy would most probably plot somewhere between Germany and France.
A few of these calculators plotted me with French and German and it made me look like a damn fool in front of friends, family, and neighbors. Uncle Popa make jokes and others laughed. Nobody needs this type of abuse.
I spoke with Dilawer fo Eurasian DNA and he told me that the reason these calculators are showing these types of results is that the calculator makers don't seem to be familiar with the fact that many genotyped positions from DNA testing companies are associated with alleles common to all humans including Africans, Europeans, and E. Asians and due to this lack of awareness and possibly bionformatics analysis and processing skills they are not able to exclude those positions from their calculators.
Dilawer suggested some of this could also be attributed to reference bias in the Hg19 / GrCh37 human reference. He mentioned that he became aware of this issue a couple of years ago and has taken steps to mitigate it in his calculator products (he is referring to his most recent calculators and not to his outdated ones at Gedmatch)
TheMaestro
06-29-2020, 11:17 PM
A few of these calculators plotted me with French and German and it made me look like a damn fool in front of friends, family, and neighbors. Uncle Popa make jokes and others laughed. Nobody needs this type of abuse.
Imagine an Albanian ploting right above Serbia XDDDDDDDDDD
Chris596
06-29-2020, 11:40 PM
Interesting stuff. I just checked MDLP K23b. Anyway I'm closer to Saami, Tatar, Turkish and most East Eurasians than the Polish average, but it's obvious why. 500 results are all below 85.
Interesting stuff. I just checked MDLP K23b. Anyway I'm closer to Saami, Tatar, Turkish and most East Eurasians than the Polish average, but it's obvious why. 500 results are all below 85.
Yeah that would make sense based on your background but the ordering of the populations and distances should be taken with a grain of salt.
Dilawer showed me how to properly filter out problematic positions from analysis which I did and I used a simple IBD plink program. This is what I got for Estonians. The table is sorted with the closest on top. At least this one makes sense because Estonians show closer to E. Asians/American Indians as they should.
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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-1.DG
0.835126
1.00
2.24
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-2.DG
0.835057
0.47
1.99
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-2.DG
0.834101
0.24
1.94
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-3.DG
0.833958
0.69
2.04
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-2.DG
0.833899
0.29
1.96
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-1.DG
0.833736
0.66
2.03
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-2.DG
0.833603
0.19
1.93
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-1.DG
0.833467
0.01
1.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-2.DG
0.833302
0.76
2.06
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-1.DG
0.832657
0.30
1.96
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ3
ID001
0.832577
0.00
1.77
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-1.DG
0.832203
0.06
1.88
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-1.DG
0.831463
0.03
1.86
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-2.DG
0.831279
0.01
1.83
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Armenian.DG
S_Armenian-2.DG
0.830708
0.00
1.74
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ1
ID001
0.830566
0.01
1.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Lezgin.DG
S_Lezgin-2.DG
0.83027
0.00
1.80
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-2.DG
0.830155
0.01
1.84
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-2.DG
0.830134
0.00
1.71
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-1.DG
0.829939
0.26
1.95
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Lezgin.DG
S_Lezgin-1.DG
0.829934
0.00
1.74
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-1.DG
0.829929
0.02
1.85
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Turkish.DG
S_Turkish-2.DG
0.829885
0.00
1.68
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-2.DG
0.829776
0.01
1.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-2.DG
0.829614
0.20
1.93
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Uyghur.DG
S_Uygur-1.DG
0.829272
0.00
1.80
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-2.DG
0.829169
0.03
1.86
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Armenian.DG
S_Armenian-1.DG
0.828857
0.00
1.73
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kalash.DG
S_Kalash-2.DG
0.828835
0.00
1.51
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Germany_EN_LBK_Stuttgart_published.DG
Stuttgart_published.DG
0.828815
0.00
1.60
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sindhi.DG
S_Sindhi-2.DG
0.828756
0.00
1.66
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Turkish.DG
S_Turkish-1.DG
0.82874
0.00
1.73
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Iranian.DG
S_Iranian-2.DG
0.828693
0.00
1.69
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-1.DG
0.828625
0.00
1.39
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
Loschbour_snpAD.DG
0.828607
0.00
1.03
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-4.DG
0.828531
0.00
1.74
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
B_Sardinian-3.DG
0.828257
0.00
1.71
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kalash.DG
S_Kalash-1.DG
0.82813
0.00
1.38
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Makrani.DG
S_Makrani-1.DG
0.828063
0.00
1.72
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Uyghur.DG
S_Uygur-2.DG
0.827859
0.00
1.69
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-1.DG
0.827743
0.00
1.57
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Iranian.DG
S_Iranian-1.DG
0.827647
0.00
1.76
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Brahui.DG
S_Brahui-1.DG
0.827345
0.00
1.64
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Balochi.DG
S_Balochi-2.DG
0.827318
0.00
1.54
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sindhi.DG
S_Sindhi-1.DG
0.82698
0.00
1.40
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-2.DG
0.826775
0.00
1.53
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-3.DG
0.826516
0.00
1.56
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Brahui.DG
S_Brahui-2.DG
0.826011
0.00
1.40
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kapu.DG
S_Kapu-1.DG
0.825921
0.00
1.53
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Punjabi.DG
S_Punjabi-1.DG
0.825858
0.00
1.51
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Kapu.DG
S_Kapu-2.DG
0.825402
0.00
1.37
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yakut.DG
S_Yakut-1.DG
0.825334
0.00
1.11
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mongola.DG
S_Mongola-1.DG
0.825291
0.00
1.08
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
BedouinB.DG
S_BedouinB-2.DG
0.825177
0.00
1.57
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Makrani.DG
S_Makrani-2.DG
0.825146
0.00
1.25
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yakut.DG
S_Yakut-2.DG
0.824734
0.00
1.09
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mongola.DG
S_Mongola-2.DG
0.82458
0.00
1.04
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Balochi.DG
S_Balochi-1.DG
0.824348
0.00
1.28
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
S_Han-2.DG
0.824027
0.00
1.02
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-1.DG
0.82341
0.00
1.00
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
BedouinB.DG
S_BedouinB-1.DG
0.823404
0.00
1.31
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-3.DG
0.823285
0.00
1.04
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
B_Dai-4.DG
0.823138
0.00
0.97
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
B_Han-3.DG
0.822953
0.00
1.04
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-2.DG
0.822646
0.00
0.99
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
S_Karitiana-2.DG
0.822586
0.00
0.59
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
S_Karitiana-1.DG
0.822585
0.00
0.62
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Japanese.DG
S_Japanese-1.DG
0.822413
0.00
0.97
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Han.DG
S_Han-1.DG
0.822308
0.00
1.03
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-3.DG
0.822294
0.00
0.92
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Karitiana.DG
B_Karitiana-3.DG
0.822009
0.00
0.63
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
A_Dai-5.DG
0.821557
0.00
0.98
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Dai.DG
S_Dai-2.DG
0.821112
0.00
0.99
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
China_Lahu.DG
S_Lahu-1.DG
0.820981
0.00
1.00
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
China_Lahu.DG
S_Lahu-2.DG
0.820858
0.00
0.90
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Buryat.DG
Buryats2.DG
0.810582
0.00
0.00
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Buryat.DG
Buryats1.DG
0.810412
0.00
0.00
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Somali.DG
S_Somali-1.DG
0.795009
0.00
1.00
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Masai.DG
S_Masai-1.DG
0.78638
0.00
0.96
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Masai.DG
S_Masai-2.DG
0.786154
0.00
0.93
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luhya.DG
S_Luhya-2.DG
0.773787
0.00
0.78
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Luhya.DG
S_Luhya-1.DG
0.772916
0.00
0.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-3.DG
0.770698
0.00
0.59
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-1.DG
0.770615
0.00
0.73
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-2.DG
0.770093
0.00
0.72
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-1.DG
0.769913
0.00
0.57
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
B_Mbuti-4.DG
0.769343
0.00
0.55
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Mbuti.DG
S_Mbuti-2.DG
0.769232
0.00
0.54
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Yoruba.DG
B_Yoruba-3.DG
0.768455
0.00
0.72
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When we sort the table by IBS binomial test PPC > 0.001 these are the only ones left from the table close to Estonian. Sorted from closest to furthest
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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-1.DG
0.835126
1.00
2.24
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-2.DG
0.833302
0.76
2.06
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-3.DG
0.833958
0.69
2.04
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Hungarian.DG
S_Hungarian-1.DG
0.833736
0.66
2.03
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-2.DG
0.835057
0.47
1.99
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-1.DG
0.832657
0.30
1.96
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-2.DG
0.833899
0.29
1.96
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
S_North_Ossetian-1.DG
0.829939
0.26
1.95
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Finnish.DG
S_Finnish-2.DG
0.834101
0.24
1.94
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-2.DG
0.829614
0.20
1.93
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
English.DG
S_English-2.DG
0.833603
0.19
1.93
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Spanish.DG
S_Spanish-1.DG
0.832203
0.06
1.88
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Basque.DG
S_Basque-1.DG
0.831463
0.03
1.86
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Sardinian.DG
S_Sardinian-2.DG
0.829169
0.03
1.86
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-1.DG
0.829929
0.02
1.85
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-2.DG
0.830155
0.01
1.84
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Tajik.DG
S_Tajik-2.DG
0.831279
0.01
1.83
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Georgian.DG
S_Georgian-2.DG
0.829776
0.01
1.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
Adygei.DG
S_Adygei-1.DG
0.833467
0.01
1.82
Estonian.DG
S_Estonian-1.DG
.Kurd_Kurmanji_IQ1
ID001
0.830566
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Trouble
06-30-2020, 12:16 AM
Gedmatch is not good for determining actual relatedness because it cannot account for how different each of the individual components are to one another. Depending on the calculator, certain regional differences can be exaggerated at the expense of others.
For example on Eurogenes calcs you can have one component for Baltic and another for North Sea as well as SSA and East Asian. In reality these would be super close to one another on a global similarity map, practically overlapping yet for the intent of that calculator Baltic is just as close to SSA as it is to North Sea.
Gedmatch is not good for determining actual relatedness because it cannot account for how different each of the individual components are to one another. Depending on the calculator, certain regional differences can be exaggerated at the expense of others.
For example on Eurogenes calcs you can have one component for Baltic and another for North Sea as well as SSA and East Asian. In reality these would be super close to one another on a global similarity map, practically overlapping yet for the intent of that calculator Baltic is just as close to SSA as it is to North Sea.
The thing is though all these calculator makers should simply filter out alleles with high frequencies before making the calculator so that there calculators would be more accurate. With a little help from Dilawer even I was able to do that for the Plink IBS run i posted on the previous page. That's why on my run Estonians correctly show closer to E. Asians/American Indians than to SSA.
FinalFlash
06-30-2020, 01:00 AM
I spoke with Dilawer fo Eurasian DNA and he told me that the reason these calculators are showing these types of results is that the calculator makers don't seem to be familiar with the fact that many genotyped positions from DNA testing companies are associated with alleles common to all humans including Africans, Europeans, and E. Asians and due to this lack of awareness and possibly bionformatics analysis and processing skills they are not able to exclude those positions from their calculators.
Dilawer suggested some of this could also be attributed to reference bias in the Hg19 / GrCh37 human reference. He mentioned that he became aware of this issue a couple of years ago and has taken steps to mitigate it in his calculator products (he is referring to his most recent calculators and not to his outdated ones at Gedmatch)
I think everyone is aware of the fact that these are amateur tools and that they aren't perfect. But what other choice do we have at this point? qpAdm? Nobody knows how to run this other than a handful of people as far as I know.
To show that the problem exists for all calculator projects. Here is MDLP K23
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MDLP K23b
Distance to: POLE
2.08
Belarusian
2.62
Belarusian_South
3.71
Russian_Center
3.82
Ukrainian
3.83
Belarusian_Russian
3.85
Mixed_East_Slav
4.49
Don_cossack
5.25
Balt
5.28
Ukrainian_East
5.41
Kuban_cossack
5.96
Russian_South
6.11
Belarusian-East
6.39
Russian-North-West
6.40
Belarusian_West
6.40
Ukrainian_Center
6.79
Russian-West
7.45
Lithuanian
7.48
Sorb
8.21
Estonian
8.44
Latvian
8.56
Mordovian
8.62
Russian_North
9.33
Kashub
9.61
Russian_Meshtchyora
9.64
Russian-Upper-Volga
9.93
Russian_Vologda
10.97
Ukrainian_West
11.25
Russian-North
13.06
Erzya
13.18
Vepsa
13.34
Slovak
13.43
Finnish_FIN
14.23
Karelian
14.36
Finn
15.08
Moksha
15.37
German
15.51
Finnish-East
15.66
Finn_East
16.49
Finn_West
16.54
Czech
17.94
Russian-Ural
18.40
Croat_BH
18.85
Slovenian
19.20
Hungarian
19.33
Hungarian_Budapest
20.66
Bosnian
21.12
Saami_Kola
21.39
Croat
21.47
Tatar_Mishar
22.06
Swede_Saami
22.13
Serb_BH
23.27
Austrian
24.06
Tatar-Mishar
24.24
North_German
24.55
Tatar_Kryashen
24.87
Dane
25.02
Swede
26.11
Tatar-Kazan
26.17
German_East
26.56
Serb_Serbia
27.02
Komi
27.83
Norwegian_East
27.86
Tatar-Lithuanian
27.89
Montenegrian
28.48
Dutch
28.87
Tatar
29.14
South_German
30.07
Macedonian
30.24
Tatar_Lithuania
30.34
Norwegian_West
30.55
Icelandic
30.59
Saami_Finland
31.19
German-Volga
31.80
Bulgarian
31.84
Belgian
32.05
Frisian
32.46
North_European
32.71
Chuvash
32.77
English
33.03
Irish
33.22
Chuvashs
34.13
Gagauz
34.88
CEU
35.18
English_Kent_GBR
35.24
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR
35.60
Romanian
35.64
British
36.12
Orcadian
36.51
English_Cornwall_GBR
36.55
Saami
36.57
Welsh
36.64
Aleut
38.71
Crimean_Tatar_Step
39.11
Mari
39.51
Italian_North
41.17
Yukagir_Forest
41.24
Greek_Thessaloniki
41.39
Kosovar
42.25
Greek_Thessaly
42.31
Greek_Northwest
42.32
Udmurd
42.62
Albanian_Tirana
42.67
French
42.74
Greek_Peloponnesos
43.82
Bashkir
44.20
Roma_Slovenian
44.32
Greek_Macedonia
44.58
Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
45.10
Central_Greek
46.42
Greek
46.95
Crimean_Tatar_Coast
47.38
Azov_Greek
48.37
Greek_Athens
48.65
Ashkenazi
48.95
Greek_Phokaia
49.27
Nogai
49.32
Italian_Piedmont
49.72
Italian_Tuscan
49.90
Ashkenazi_Jew
50.20
Turk_Aydin
50.22
Italian_Bergamo
50.28
Romanian_Jew
50.68
Turk_Balikesir
50.76
Turk_Istanbul
50.86
Italian_South
50.95
Portugese
50.96
Sicilian_West
51.44
Sicilian_Siracusa
52.10
Kabardin
52.23
Cretan
52.27
Sicilian_Trapani
52.29
Tabassaran
52.29
Sicilian_East
52.44
Tlingit
52.69
Sicilian_Center
52.71
Italian_Abruzzo
52.75
Kumyk
52.76
Spanish_Baleares_IBS
52.92
Roma
53.11
Spaniard
53.14
Lak
53.21
Stalskoe_Kumyk
53.22
Avar
53.22
Circassian
53.57
Maltese
53.67
Chechen
53.69
Dargin_Urkarah
53.89
Sicilian_Agrigento
54.29
Cirkassian
54.29
Spanish_Galicia_IBS
54.32
Lezgin
54.42
Spanish_Cataluna_IBS
54.51
Roma_Bulgarian
54.57
Adygei
54.89
Turk
54.96
Puerto_Rican
54.98
Balkar
55.02
Spanish_Extremadura_IBS
55.37
Tatar-Siberian
55.50
Tsimsian
55.65
Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan
55.65
Tajik_Tajikistan
55.87
Tajik_Yagnobi
55.89
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS
55.98
Greek_Smyrna
56.01
North_Ossetian
56.28
French_Jew
56.61
Roma_Macedonian
56.80
Spanish_Canarias_IBS
57.02
Roma_BH
57.06
Greek_Islands
57.07
Uzbek
57.42
Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan
57.43
Georgian_Jew
57.53
Turkmen_Uzbekistan
57.59
Spanish_Murcia_IBS
57.79
Turk_Jew
57.89
Turkmen_Afghan
58.12
Italian_Jew
58.35
Karakalpak
58.40
Sephardic_Jew
58.49
Ossetian
58.52
Turk_Adana
58.65
Azeri_Dagestan
58.73
Turk_Kayseri
58.83
Spanish_Valencia_IBS
58.90
Uygur-Han
59.09
Spanish_Andalucia_IBS
59.33
Moroccan_Jew
59.39
Colombian
59.78
Even
60.04
Spanish_Cantabria_IBS
60.13
Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS
60.24
Syrian_Jew
60.34
Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim
60.57
Kurd_North
60.79
Spanish_Aragon_IBS
60.82
Uzbek_Tashkent
60.94
Ain_Touta_WGA
61.30
Cypriot
61.33
Azeri
61.34
Baku_WGA
61.39
Kurd_South
61.40
Lebanese_Muslim
61.46
Lebanese
61.60
Uzbek_Afghan
61.83
Tajik_Afghan
61.94
Libyan_Jew
62.05
Jordanian
62.08
Tunisian_Jew
62.26
Syrian
62.30
Afghan_Pushtun
62.49
Uzbekistani_Jew
62.51
Armenian
62.78
Kazahs
62.87
Mexican_CV
62.91
Kurd_East
62.98
Iraki
62.99
Muslim_Arabs_Israel
63.01
Uygur
63.01
Kurd
63.02
Palestinian
63.03
Lebanese_Druze
63.09
Iraqi_Chaldean
63.40
French_South
63.42
Assyrian_Iraqi
63.53
Armenian_Yerevan
63.59
Druze
63.72
Iranian
63.90
Kurd_Jew
63.91
Jew_Tat
63.94
Lebanese_Christian
64.01
Iraqi_Jew
64.10
Egyptian_Iskandaria
64.31
Iranian_Jew
64.44
Pashtun_Afghani
64.47
Iraqi_Mandean
64.48
Kazakh
64.49
Assyrian_Arzni
64.58
Pakistani_Pushtun
64.59
Samaritian
64.66
Turk_Trabzon
64.71
Egyptian_Kairo
64.98
Christian_Arabs_Israel
64.99
BedouinA
64.99
Egyptian_Mansoura
65.15
Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh
65.26
Egyptian_Tanta
65.47
Miwok
65.50
Hazara
65.70
Egyptian_Kuwait
65.84
Egyptian_Cairo
66.23
Kakheti
66.42
Mexican
66.43
Adjara
66.63
Yemen
66.66
Abkhasian
67.04
Parsi
67.20
Georgian_Svan
67.42
Georgian_Tbilisi
67.46
Georgian_Megrelia
67.47
Georgian
68.02
Jatt_Haryana
68.67
Georgian_Imereti
68.90
Georgian_Laz
69.17
Kyrgyz_Bishkek
70.11
Australian_ECCAC
70.59
Ojibwa
70.78
Haida
70.89
Yukagir_Tundra
71.60
Yemenite_Jew
71.67
Kyrgyz
72.12
Tunisian
72.23
Pathan
72.32
Hakas
72.35
Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS
72.55
Shaigi_Sudan
72.98
Cochin_Jew
73.12
Mumbai_Jew
73.14
Serrano
73.40
Algerian
74.04
Nepalese
74.13
Jatt_Pahari
74.70
Burusho
74.82
Selkup
74.85
Ayta_AE
75.04
Saudi
75.05
Jatt_Muslim
75.47
Algonquin
75.61
Spiti
76.29
Tiwari
76.29
Moroccan
76.46
Altaian
76.52
Cree
76.78
GujaratiA_GIH
76.86
Mamanawa
76.98
West_Greenland
77.68
Mansi
78.18
Punjabi_Gujjar
78.73
Hindi
78.76
Mongolian
79.08
Pakistani
79.13
Ati
79.14
Kalmyk
79.29
Morocco_South
79.68
Pahari
79.83
Amhara
79.85
Sindhi
79.89
Agta_AG
79.91
Kensiu
80.00
Ethiopian_Tygray
80.35
Vaish
80.61
Qatari
80.92
GujaratiB_GIH
80.92
Jehai
80.96
Manggarai
80.98
Lamaholt
81.11
Ethiopian_Jew
81.23
Afar_WGA
81.31
Basque_Spanish
81.37
Tamil_Singapore
81.37
Tuvinian
81.58
Lembata
81.60
Brahmins_UP
81.61
Mongolian_QH
81.70
Marathi
81.71
Malay_Malasia
81.73
Makrani
81.86
Mon
81.90
Kshatriya
82.12
Tubalar
82.69
Malay_Singapore
82.85
Sandawe
82.89
Kambera
82.91
Basque_French
82.99
Mongol_Khalkha
83.11
Brahmin_Tamil
83.29
Dhaka_mixed_popul
83.58
Mongola_China
83.62
Hema
83.67
Sardinian
83.76
Balochi
83.76
Buryat
83.95
Masai_Ayodo
84.13
Batak_Toba
84.18
Xibo
84.24
Esomali
84.25
Iraya
84.29
Kikuyu
84.34
Berber_WGA
84.49
Alorese
84.60
Wolyata
84.85
Agta
84.88
Khwe
84.88
Aeta
84.89
TN_Brahmin
84.90
Temuan
84.92
Ethiopian_Oromo
85.01
Batak_Karo
85.14
Ryukyuan
85.35
Shua
85.35
Han-Mandarin
85.59
Karen
85.76
Bengali
85.79
Khomani
85.86
Masai_Kinyawa_MKK
85.87
Thai
86.02
Chabakano
86.10
Datog
86.23
Kusunda
86.26
Paluang
86.31
Somali
86.31
Telugu_Kannada
86.33
Korean_KR
86.49
Lawa
86.54
Japanese_ML
86.59
Oroqen
86.59
Saharawi
86.61
Meghawal
86.69
Srivastava
86.73
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL
86.88
Cochimi
86.91
Nama
87.01
GujaratiC_GIH
87.07
Mlabri
87.19
Jinuo
87.27
Wa
87.27
Dharkar
87.35
Sunda
87.41
Chinese_Taiwan
87.42
Tagalog
87.47
Javanese
87.48
Tu
87.48
Afroamerican
87.51
Manobo
87.53
Daur
87.57
Plang
87.59
Han_Singapore
87.59
Brahui
87.60
Cambodian
87.60
Malay
87.67
Hakka
87.72
Onge
87.92
Htin
87.93
Hezhen
88.03
Alur
88.07
Khmer_Cambodian
88.07
Tshwa
88.11
Haiom
88.14
Filipino
88.23
Dayak
88.24
Nenets
88.25
Toraja
88.30
Lambadi
88.34
Dinka
88.36
Chilote
88.40
Sudanese
88.43
Yakut
88.44
Ket
88.49
Kgalagadi
88.64
Anuak
88.71
Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB
88.71
Muslim_India
88.76
Cantonese
88.77
Marwadi_Middle_caste
88.80
Tai_Yuan
88.85
Yao
88.89
Korean
88.92
Jagoi
88.94
Kumiai
89.17
Mentawai
89.25
Kanjar
89.25
Sotho_Tswana
89.34
Japanese
89.34
!Kung
89.36
Lemba
89.38
Hmong
89.44
Hmong_Miao
89.51
Tai_Khuen
89.58
Yong
89.62
Yakut_Anabarsky_ulus
89.63
AA_Denver
89.69
Han_North
89.79
Xhosa
89.81
Han
89.92
Tai_Lue
90.01
Kalash
90.03
Khant
90.04
Ari
90.10
Bulala
90.39
Tujia
90.40
Hadza
90.43
Jiamao
90.67
Dolgan
90.74
Australian
90.94
Bantu_SA_Tswana
90.96
Zhuang
91.12
She
91.12
Bajo
91.25
Vietnamese
91.37
Tswana
91.39
GujaratiD_GIH
91.54
Ilocano
91.55
Bantu_SA_Pedi
91.85
Ulchi
91.88
Luo
91.91
Miao
91.92
BiakaPygmy
92.07
BantuKenya
92.09
Bantu_SA_S_Sotho
92.20
Tharu
92.59
Vietnamese_north
92.67
Gana
92.81
Vietnamese_central
93.02
Velama
93.09
Bhili
93.11
Luhya_Kenya_LWK
93.20
Kinh_Vietnam_KHV
93.23
Gumuz
93.29
Velamas
93.49
Vietnamese_south
93.49
Athabask
93.55
Pedi
93.73
Chukchi
93.83
Gond
93.95
Lodhi
93.97
Tibetian_Madou
94.15
Iban
94.25
Satnami
94.36
Scheduled_Caste_UP
94.40
Naxi
94.47
Tibetian_TTR
94.61
Yi
94.72
Mada
95.11
Chinese_Dai
95.14
Piramalai_Kallar
95.16
Bantu_SA_Zulu
95.22
Dai
95.29
Nguni
95.38
Dusadh
95.95
Lahu
96.03
African_Caribbean
96.04
Naidu
96.19
Cucupa
96.33
Chukchi_Sir
96.38
Tongan
96.49
Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu
96.58
Ho
96.89
Evenk
96.99
Bhil
97.04
Hoan
97.04
Kol
97.20
Chenchu
97.49
Kharia
97.60
Samoan
97.79
Vishwabrahmin
97.91
Hadza_Henn
98.00
Nysha
98.09
Hadza_Henn_WGA
98.13
Mozabite
98.20
Nenets_Tundra
98.24
Gui
98.25
Lebbo
98.42
Vysya
98.62
Kamsali
98.77
Xuun
98.88
Naga
99.02
Dusun
99.17
Navajo
99.20
Nenets_Forest
99.27
Chamar
99.44
Bantu_SA_Herero
99.50
Hakkipikki
99.76
Bhunjia
99.76
Damara
99.82
Kaba
99.91
Dhurwa
99.99
Sakilli
100.12
Fang
100.14
Bantu_SA_Ovambo
100.28
Himba
100.69
Aonaga
100.71
Nihali
100.80
Kurumba
100.91
Murut
101.62
Wambo
101.76
Mala
102.04
Santhal
102.17
TN_Dalit
102.57
Hallaki
102.79
Bamoun
102.86
Madiga
102.90
Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL
103.11
Naasioi
103.15
Apache
103.56
Gambian_GWD
103.75
Brong
104.07
Taa_East
104.11
Hausa
104.22
Ju_hoan_South
104.24
Igbo
104.37
Mandenka
104.47
Malayan
104.50
BedouinB
104.57
Taa_West
104.77
Bambaran
105.14
Esan_Nigeria_ESN
105.26
Yoruba
105.60
Dogon
106.64
MbutiPygmy
106.64
Naro
106.90
Taa_North
107.16
Bolivian
107.58
Atayal
107.79
Eskimo_Sireniki
107.96
Luiseno
108.09
Pygmy
108.42
Paniya
108.93
Ju_hoan_North
109.22
Pulliyar
109.72
Koryak
110.51
Bolivian_Pando
111.24
Mayan
111.46
Itelmen
111.71
Eskimo_Naukan
111.97
Quechua_Peru
112.14
Bolivian_Cochabamba
112.38
Inga
112.67
Atayal_Coriell
114.07
Eskimo_Chaplin
115.62
Totonac
115.73
Pima
115.75
Mixtec
116.04
Cachi
116.19
Ami
116.44
Zapotec
116.49
Nganasan
116.62
Piapoco
116.62
Igorot
117.01
Bolivian_LaPaz
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Nah man you are waste yute tbh, Polish are Moor
Why you make a thread and base it about Polish people like you know something about them that I don't know?
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