View Full Version : IBS Kurdish distances
Since I didn't have much faith in Gedmatch calculator distances because all of them wrongly showed Europeans closer to Mbuti and SSA than to E. Asian and American Indians, I decided to use Plink IBS program to see what the correct distances are from Kurmanji Kurds. Dilawer from Eurasian DNA showed me how to exclude high frequency alleles common to all humans to solve some of the problems Gedmatch calculators had and to mitigate some of the African human reference bias in genotyping.
After following his instructions I'm happy to show that the problem of Europeans/W Asians being closer to SSA than E. Asians is solved as you can see in this table.
This table is sorted from closest to furthest for Kurd-Kurmanji. Unlike the calculators on Vahuado as you can see it correctly shows E. Asians above SSA
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FID1
FID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0009
0.9371
0.062
0.5305
0.908546
1
3164
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0033
0.9558
0.041
0.5189
0.906323
1
618.2
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Turkey
0.9053
0
0.0947
0.0947
0.839083
0.4574
1.9914
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9112
0
0.0888
0.0888
0.83822
0.1694
1.9256
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Lezgin.DG
0.9052
0
0.0948
0.0948
0.837952
0.1496
1.9193
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9248
0
0.0752
0.0752
0.837651
0.4895
1.9979
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish
0.9075
0
0.0925
0.0925
0.837587
0.0562
1.8781
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.837396
0.0016
1.7821
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.923
0
0.077
0.077
0.837375
0.1027
1.9011
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9115
0
0.0885
0.0885
0.837075
0.4007
1.9801
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
0.9419
0
0.0581
0.0581
0.836955
0.4732
1.9946
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Lezgin.DG
1
0
0
0
0.836915
0.0594
1.8802
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9183
0
0.0817
0.0817
0.836852
0.141
1.9167
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.836826
0.0097
1.8234
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Sorani
0.9258
0
0.0742
0.0742
0.836822
0.2344
1.9428
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish.DG
0.9378
0
0.0622
0.0622
0.836668
0.1394
1.9155
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9159
0
0.0841
0.0841
0.836655
0.1112
1.9049
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.836483
0.011
1.8277
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9421
0
0.0579
0.0579
0.836426
0.0032
1.7949
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian.DG
0.9202
0.0488
0.031
0.0554
0.836215
0.8481
2.0847
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.836038
0.0466
1.8716
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.9483
0
0.0517
0.0517
0.835939
0.7401
2.0527
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kalash.DG
1
0
0
0
0.835851
0
1.5112
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9433
0.0135
0.0432
0.05
0.835661
0.4464
1.9891
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sindhi.DG
0.9333
0
0.0667
0.0667
0.835617
0.0098
1.823
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.835591
0.0103
1.826
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
0.9475
0.0068
0.0457
0.0491
0.83558
0.0034
1.7959
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9231
0
0.0769
0.0769
0.835562
0.2113
1.937
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Afg
0.938
0.0261
0.0359
0.0489
0.835341
0.2094
1.936
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik.DG
0.9288
0
0.0712
0.0712
0.83524
0.0069
1.8135
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9371
0
0.0629
0.0629
0.835227
0.0336
1.8582
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Brahui.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834956
0.0106
1.8257
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9317
0
0.0683
0.0683
0.834891
0.6697
2.0354
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9549
0.001
0.0441
0.0446
0.834863
0.0651
1.8821
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9336
0
0.0664
0.0664
0.834677
0.0166
1.8371
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.834573
0.1329
1.9131
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Hungarian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834528
0.0075
1.8175
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Estonian.DG
0.932
0
0.068
0.068
0.834343
0.0005
1.7567
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Balochi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834313
0
1.6623
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sardinian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834261
0.0057
1.8106
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Uyghur.DG
0.9499
0
0.0501
0.0501
0.834196
0.0004
1.7485
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Makrani.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834173
0.0293
1.8551
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.834095
0.0414
1.8672
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Spanish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834088
0.0001
1.7264
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.833984
0.0007
1.7635
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833906
0
1.6225
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Finnish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833875
0.0442
1.8698
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Hungarian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833754
0.0086
1.8198
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Balochi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833734
0
1.387
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kalash.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833711
0
1.406
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Uyghur.DG
0.9533
0
0.0467
0.0467
0.833706
0
1.7
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Basque.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833676
0.0003
1.7446
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik_Tajiskistan
0.9586
0
0.0414
0.0414
0.833595
0.0004
1.7487
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Basque.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833387
0.0147
1.8349
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833271
0
1.4184
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sindhi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833232
0
1.5148
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
English.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833144
0.0002
1.7361
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Spanish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833101
0.0281
1.8545
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
BedouinB.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833087
0
1.6776
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Makrani.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833086
0
1.3562
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Finnish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832947
0
1.7111
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
English.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832783
0.0008
1.7662
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832739
0
1.6468
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832684
0
1.5883
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Finnish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832636
0.0114
1.8274
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kapu.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832628
0
1.5127
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Estonian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832517
0.0006
1.763
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Brahui.DG
1
0
0
0
0.83232
0
1.3845
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Germany_EN_LBK_Stuttgart_published.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832246
0
1.6061
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
BedouinB.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832229
0
1.4321
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kapu.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832138
0
1.4978
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sardinian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.831968
0
1.6857
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sardinian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.831883
0
1.6708
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mongola.DG
1
0
0
0
0.831457
0
1.1508
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mongola.DG
1
0
0
0
0.831174
0
1.0523
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Dai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.830733
0
1.0119
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Yakut.DG
1
0
0
0
0.830432
0
1.0622
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Japanese.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829717
0
1.0135
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Han.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829569
0
1.0392
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Japanese.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829452
0
0.9764
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Yakut.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829439
0
1.0688
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Dai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829362
0
1.0393
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Dai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829125
0
0.9971
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Han.DG
1
0
0
0
0.829017
0
0.9889
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
China_Lahu.DG
1
0
0
0
0.82889
0
1.0147
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Han.DG
1
0
0
0
0.828724
0
1.0098
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Japanese.DG
1
0
0
0
0.828581
0
0.9323
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Karitiana.DG
1
0
0
0
0.828227
0
0.5945
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
China_Lahu.DG
1
0
0
0
0.82791
0
0.9205
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Dai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.827809
0
0.9776
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Karitiana.DG
1
0
0
0
0.827348
0
0.5852
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Dai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.827081
0
0.9875
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Karitiana.DG
1
0
0
0
0.826634
0
0.5951
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG
1
0
0
0
0.822313
0
0.7686
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Karitiana.SG
1
0
0
0
0.81803
0
0
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Somali.DG
1
0
0
0
0.802431
0
1.0503
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Masai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.795138
0
1.0764
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Masai.DG
1
0
0
0
0.794875
0
1.0687
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Luhya.DG
1
0
0
0
0.781284
0
0.7921
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Luhya.DG
1
0
0
0
0.780743
0
0.7893
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Yoruba.DG
1
0
0
0
0.779464
0
0.7386
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Yoruba.DG
1
0
0
0
0.779199
0
0.7426
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Yoruba.DG
1
0
0
0
0.778603
0
0.7551
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mbuti.DG
1
0
0
0
0.778184
0
0.5869
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mbuti.DG
1
0
0
0
0.777718
0
0.5827
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mbuti.DG
1
0
0
0
0.777646
0
0.5587
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Mbuti.DG
1
0
0
0
0.777422
0
0.5618
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This one is sorted by binomial PPC score
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FID1
FID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0009
0.9371
0.062
0.5305
0.908546
1
3164
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0033
0.9558
0.041
0.5189
0.906323
1
618.2
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian.DG
0.9202
0.0488
0.031
0.0554
0.836215
0.8481
2.0847
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.9483
0
0.0517
0.0517
0.835939
0.7401
2.0527
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9317
0
0.0683
0.0683
0.834891
0.6697
2.0354
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9248
0
0.0752
0.0752
0.837651
0.4895
1.9979
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
0.9419
0
0.0581
0.0581
0.836955
0.4732
1.9946
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Turkey
0.9053
0
0.0947
0.0947
0.839083
0.4574
1.9914
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9433
0.0135
0.0432
0.05
0.835661
0.4464
1.9891
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9115
0
0.0885
0.0885
0.837075
0.4007
1.9801
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Sorani
0.9258
0
0.0742
0.0742
0.836822
0.2344
1.9428
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9231
0
0.0769
0.0769
0.835562
0.2113
1.937
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Afg
0.938
0.0261
0.0359
0.0489
0.835341
0.2094
1.936
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9112
0
0.0888
0.0888
0.83822
0.1694
1.9256
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Lezgin.DG
0.9052
0
0.0948
0.0948
0.837952
0.1496
1.9193
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9183
0
0.0817
0.0817
0.836852
0.141
1.9167
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish.DG
0.9378
0
0.0622
0.0622
0.836668
0.1394
1.9155
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.834573
0.1329
1.9131
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9159
0
0.0841
0.0841
0.836655
0.1112
1.9049
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.923
0
0.077
0.077
0.837375
0.1027
1.9011
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9549
0.001
0.0441
0.0446
0.834863
0.0651
1.8821
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Lezgin.DG
1
0
0
0
0.836915
0.0594
1.8802
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish
0.9075
0
0.0925
0.0925
0.837587
0.0562
1.8781
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.836038
0.0466
1.8716
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Finnish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833875
0.0442
1.8698
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.834095
0.0414
1.8672
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9371
0
0.0629
0.0629
0.835227
0.0336
1.8582
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Makrani.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834173
0.0293
1.8551
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Spanish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833101
0.0281
1.8545
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9336
0
0.0664
0.0664
0.834677
0.0166
1.8371
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Basque.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833387
0.0147
1.8349
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Finnish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832636
0.0114
1.8274
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.836483
0.011
1.8277
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Brahui.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834956
0.0106
1.8257
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.835591
0.0103
1.826
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sindhi.DG
0.9333
0
0.0667
0.0667
0.835617
0.0098
1.823
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Hungarian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833754
0.0086
1.8198
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Hungarian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834528
0.0075
1.8175
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik.DG
0.9288
0
0.0712
0.0712
0.83524
0.0069
1.8135
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sardinian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834261
0.0057
1.8106
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
0.9475
0.0068
0.0457
0.0491
0.83558
0.0034
1.7959
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9421
0
0.0579
0.0579
0.836426
0.0032
1.7949
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.837396
0.0016
1.7821
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
English.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832783
0.0008
1.7662
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.833984
0.0007
1.7635
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Estonian.DG
1
0
0
0
0.832517
0.0006
1.763
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Estonian.DG
0.932
0
0.068
0.068
0.834343
0.0005
1.7567
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Uyghur.DG
0.9499
0
0.0501
0.0501
0.834196
0.0004
1.7485
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik_Tajiskistan
0.9586
0
0.0414
0.0414
0.833595
0.0004
1.7487
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Basque.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833676
0.0003
1.7446
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
English.DG
1
0
0
0
0.833144
0.0002
1.7361
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Spanish.DG
1
0
0
0
0.834088
0.0001
1.7264
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FinalFlash
06-30-2020, 01:04 AM
Dude, what's wrong with your text? I need a microscope to read this shit.
This table is sorted by degree of relatedness, Pi-Hat
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FID1
FID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0009
0.9371
0.062
0.5305
0.908546
1
3164
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
0.0033
0.9558
0.041
0.5189
0.906323
1
618.2
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Lezgin.DG
0.9052
0
0.0948
0.0948
0.837952
0.1496
1.9193
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Turkey
0.9053
0
0.0947
0.0947
0.839083
0.4574
1.9914
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish
0.9075
0
0.0925
0.0925
0.837587
0.0562
1.8781
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9112
0
0.0888
0.0888
0.83822
0.1694
1.9256
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9115
0
0.0885
0.0885
0.837075
0.4007
1.9801
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Armenian.DG
0.9159
0
0.0841
0.0841
0.836655
0.1112
1.9049
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9183
0
0.0817
0.0817
0.836852
0.141
1.9167
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.923
0
0.077
0.077
0.837375
0.1027
1.9011
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Georgian.DG
0.9231
0
0.0769
0.0769
0.835562
0.2113
1.937
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Feyli
0.9248
0
0.0752
0.0752
0.837651
0.4895
1.9979
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Kurd_Sorani
0.9258
0
0.0742
0.0742
0.836822
0.2344
1.9428
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik.DG
0.9288
0
0.0712
0.0712
0.83524
0.0069
1.8135
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9317
0
0.0683
0.0683
0.834891
0.6697
2.0354
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Estonian.DG
0.932
0
0.068
0.068
0.834343
0.0005
1.7567
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Sindhi.DG
0.9333
0
0.0667
0.0667
0.835617
0.0098
1.823
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9336
0
0.0664
0.0664
0.834677
0.0166
1.8371
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9371
0
0.0629
0.0629
0.835227
0.0336
1.8582
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Turkish.DG
0.9378
0
0.0622
0.0622
0.836668
0.1394
1.9155
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Russia_NorthOssetian.DG
0.9419
0
0.0581
0.0581
0.836955
0.4732
1.9946
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Pak
0.9421
0
0.0579
0.0579
0.836426
0.0032
1.7949
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian.DG
0.9202
0.0488
0.031
0.0554
0.836215
0.8481
2.0847
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Adygei.DG
0.9483
0
0.0517
0.0517
0.835939
0.7401
2.0527
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Uyghur.DG
0.9499
0
0.0501
0.0501
0.834196
0.0004
1.7485
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Iranian
0.9433
0.0135
0.0432
0.05
0.835661
0.4464
1.9891
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi.DG
0.9475
0.0068
0.0457
0.0491
0.83558
0.0034
1.7959
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Pashtun_Afg
0.938
0.0261
0.0359
0.0489
0.835341
0.2094
1.936
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Uyghur.DG
0.9533
0
0.0467
0.0467
0.833706
0
1.7
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Punjabi_Pak
0.9549
0.001
0.0441
0.0446
0.834863
0.0651
1.8821
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ
Tajik_Tajiskistan
0.9586
0
0.0414
0.0414
0.833595
0.0004
1.7487
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Dude, what's wrong with your text? I need a microscope to read this shit.
I can read it fine on my phone :)
Lucas
06-30-2020, 06:40 PM
I can read it fine on my phone :)
Honestly I must zoom Firefox to 130% to read properly. Only you on this forum use smallest fonts.
Dr_Maul
06-30-2020, 06:44 PM
Dude, what's wrong with your text? I need a microscope to read this shit.
Yeah for some reason on all of Zoro's posts I get the text really tiny
FinalFlash
06-30-2020, 06:50 PM
Yeah for some reason on all of Zoro's posts I get the text really tiny
It's absolutely annoying. Gives me the urge to smack Zoro upside the head!!
Petalpusher
06-30-2020, 07:02 PM
The more pressing question is why Europe being slightly closer to SSA (it's very slight) than E.Asian is a problem? I think it's well documented it's the case, again the difference is anecdotical and in both cases the distances are still very large.
ps: i think the formating of the table screws up the whole page
Ion Basescul
06-30-2020, 07:10 PM
The more pressing question is why Europe being slightly closer to SSA (it's very slight) than E.Asian is a problem? I think it's well documented it's the case, again the difference is anecdotical and in both cases the distances are still very large.
ps: i think the formating of the table screws up the whole page
Europeans and East Asians share Neanderthal admixture, which SSA mostly lack.
The more pressing question is why Europe being slightly closer to SSA (it's very slight) than E.Asian is a problem? I think it's well documented it's the case, again the difference is anecdotical and in both cases the distances are still very large.
ps: i think the formating of the table screws up the whole page
I was told that the reason is that DNA companies use alot of SNPs that are fixed ancestral in both Africans and Eurasians or that have high allele frequencies in both. If they captured positions that were variable in Africans then Neanderthals would not score like 90% African because in fact Neanderthals are more related to Eurasians than Africans.
As far as I know Eurasian DNA's SAPDA software is the only one that doesn't show Neanderthal as 90% African. Unlike Admixture calculators SAPDA actually correctly shows Neanderthal more related to Eurasians than Africans ( fig 1 and 2 https://eurasiandna.com/sapda-admixture-inference-updates-revisions/
This diagram shows S African pygmies split from Eurasian and other African ancestors around 270,000 years ago compared to only around 40,000 years ago for W. Eurasian-E. Eurasian split. So Europeans are much much more related to E. Asians than African pygmies
https://i.imgur.com/h2hKq5T.jpg
Mingle
07-01-2020, 12:32 AM
Honestly I must zoom Firefox to 130% to read properly. Only you on this forum use smallest fonts.
I'm not sure its cause he uses small fonts. Maybe it has to do with the input method of the table. I notice that in posts that include his tables, the text is tiny. But in other posts, the text is normal.
I went back and rechecked the genotype rate (how many samples have missing SNPs) and found it to be 99% for the majority of samples. Although this is good I wanted to push it to 100% such that all samples are perfectly overlapping in ALL positions and NO sample has ANY missing genotype.
This is the result I got for the Kurmanji sample (100% Kurdish relative from Iraq). Although IBS distance is useful I really like the IBD feature of Plink because it's informative on more recent geneflows.
For example the Plink IBS program perfectly showed that the ALL EURASIANS ( including E. Asians and American Indians) are closer to the Kurdish sample than Africans. This is a good result because we know that overall ALL EURASIANS are more related to each other than they are to SSA Africans. You would think all calculators should show this but don't assume that because I showed that on Vahuado all Admixture calculators showed some SSA Africans closer to Europeans than some E. Asians to Europeans.
Now to Plink's IBD feature. It shows if there have been some more recent admixtures. So in this table you'll see that not all SSA Africans are on the bottom of the table. In fact you'll see that some E. Africans are higher up the table than Karitiana and other E. Eurasians. This is fine. All it indicates is that after the time American-Indians split from Siberians this individual received some African admixture of the E. African type most likely from neighboring Arab populations via some Kurdish ancestor.
Sorted by PPC binomial test
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.001
0.947
0.053
0.526
0.89204
1.000
3,262.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.003
0.968
0.030
0.513
0.88920
1.000
1,068.33
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.929
0.052
0.020
0.046
0.81077
0.877
2.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.931
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81269
0.731
2.05
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.942
0.000
0.058
0.058
0.81171
0.490
2.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
Turkish
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81242
0.455
1.99
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81201
0.391
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.942
0.000
0.059
0.059
0.81215
0.387
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.946
0.000
0.055
0.055
0.80922
0.372
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.934
0.000
0.066
0.066
0.81212
0.357
1.97
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.960
0.003
0.038
0.039
0.81019
0.319
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81060
0.281
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80874
0.238
1.95
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80888
0.210
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81202
0.207
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.957
0.016
0.027
0.035
0.80919
0.197
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.937
0.000
0.063
0.063
0.81131
0.181
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.927
0.000
0.073
0.073
0.81419
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.956
0.002
0.042
0.043
0.81102
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.926
0.000
0.074
0.074
0.81257
0.174
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.962
0.000
0.038
0.038
0.80997
0.141
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
N-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.952
0.006
0.043
0.046
0.81144
0.135
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80922
0.132
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
English
S_English-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80855
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.959
0.000
0.041
0.041
0.81037
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80928
0.121
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.956
0.000
0.045
0.045
0.80919
0.084
1.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80866
0.071
1.89
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80873
0.051
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.930
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81191
0.045
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80720
0.046
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80835
0.033
1.87
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Basque
S_Basque-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.026
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80858
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.958
0.000
0.042
0.042
0.80871
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80974
0.023
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81158
0.019
1.85
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80880
0.014
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81146
0.013
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80831
0.011
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80887
0.011
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80758
0.011
1.83
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80943
0.007
1.82
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80742
0.003
1.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80722
0.002
1.80
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
English
S_English-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80811
0.002
1.80
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80898
0.002
1.79
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80839
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81135
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81133
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80651
0.001
1.77
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.951
0.000
0.049
0.049
0.80906
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
0.970
0.000
0.030
0.030
0.80851
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.946
0.000
0.054
0.054
0.80969
0.000
1.75
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80863
0.000
1.74
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Basque
S_Basque-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80907
0.000
1.72
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81021
0.000
1.70
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80677
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80522
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80701
0.000
1.66
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80795
0.000
1.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80833
0.000
1.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80901
0.000
1.64
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80721
0.000
1.62
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80536
0.000
1.62
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80623
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80474
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80493
0.000
1.60
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80605
0.000
1.54
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80466
0.000
1.54
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80658
0.000
1.49
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80574
0.000
1.44
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80589
0.000
1.44
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80695
0.000
1.43
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.40
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.37
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80535
0.000
1.29
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79993
0.000
1.18
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Masai
S_Masai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77087
0.000
1.17
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80119
0.000
1.16
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Masai
S_Masai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77156
0.000
1.14
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80061
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79923
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
S_Han-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79882
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
S_Han-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79980
0.000
1.11
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Somali
S_Somali-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77769
0.000
1.11
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
S_Dai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79656
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79834
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79852
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
A_Dai-5
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79719
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
B_Han-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79757
0.000
1.08
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79856
0.000
1.08
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
S_Dai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79887
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
B_Dai-4
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79973
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79736
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79720
0.000
1.03
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75814
0.000
0.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75619
0.000
0.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75526
0.000
0.85
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79529
0.000
0.83
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75499
0.000
0.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75639
0.000
0.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79407
0.000
0.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79534
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75232
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79442
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75147
0.000
0.60
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These results are from a different smaller dataset. Since no IBD was indicated I simply sorted by distance.
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FID1
FID2
IID2
DST
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
Tadjik
0.78435
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkmen
Turkmens2
0.78397
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kazakh
Kazakhs2
0.78348
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tatar_Volga
VolgaTatars1
0.78317
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks3
0.78302
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks2
0.78277
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
Tajiks1
0.78275
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uzbek
Uzbeks3
0.78267
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Bashkir
Bashkirs3
0.78247
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Bashkir
Bashkirs1
0.78244
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uzbek
Uzbeks1
0.78239
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
Tajiks3
0.78201
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tatar_Volga
VolgaTatars2
0.78165
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kazakh
Kazkahs1
0.78164
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Bashkir
Bashkirs2
0.78156
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tatar_Tomsk
TomskTatars2
0.78154
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uzbek
Uzbeks2
0.78138
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
Uyghurs3
0.78133
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tatar_Tomsk
TomskTatars1
0.78132
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
Uyghurs1
0.78125
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalmyk
Kalmyks1
0.78119
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkmen
Turkmens1
0.78093
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks1
0.78084
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Buryat
Buryats2
0.78057
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
Uyghurs2
0.78057
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kazakh
Kazakhs3
0.78036
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalmyk
Kalmyks2
0.77946
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Buryat
Buryats1
0.77881
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This is the table with the strongest evidence of recent admixture Pi-Hat which is equal to Proportion IBD, i.e. P(IBD=2) + 0.5*P(IBD=1). The reason the 2 Kurmanji numbers are so much higher is because they are close relatives of the subject.
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.001
0.947
0.053
0.526
0.89204
1.000
3,262.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.003
0.968
0.030
0.513
0.88920
1.000
1,068.33
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
Turkish
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81242
0.455
1.99
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81202
0.207
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.926
0.000
0.074
0.074
0.81257
0.174
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.927
0.000
0.073
0.073
0.81419
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.930
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81191
0.045
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.931
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81269
0.731
2.05
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.934
0.000
0.066
0.066
0.81212
0.357
1.97
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.937
0.000
0.063
0.063
0.81131
0.181
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.942
0.000
0.059
0.059
0.81215
0.387
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.942
0.000
0.058
0.058
0.81171
0.490
2.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.946
0.000
0.055
0.055
0.80922
0.372
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.946
0.000
0.054
0.054
0.80969
0.000
1.75
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.951
0.000
0.049
0.049
0.80906
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80922
0.132
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80858
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.929
0.052
0.020
0.046
0.81077
0.877
2.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
N-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.952
0.006
0.043
0.046
0.81144
0.135
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.956
0.000
0.045
0.045
0.80919
0.084
1.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.956
0.002
0.042
0.043
0.81102
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.958
0.000
0.042
0.042
0.80871
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.959
0.000
0.041
0.041
0.81037
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.960
0.003
0.038
0.039
0.81019
0.319
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.962
0.000
0.038
0.038
0.80997
0.141
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.957
0.016
0.027
0.035
0.80919
0.197
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
0.970
0.000
0.030
0.030
0.80851
0.000
1.76
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Avicenna
07-03-2020, 04:13 PM
Zoro man do you mind explaining what these results mean for us folks who don't get it please :(
Zoro man do you mind explaining what these results mean for us folks who don't get it please :(
Ok I'm going to try. Let's say there's a 50% Tajik, 50% British person from your hometown and you ask 2 people who you are related to more; your Homie or a random Kurd.
One says your Homie, the other says the Kurd. Who is correct? Well they sort of both are in their own way. On the one hand you'll share more recent ancestry with your Homie, but on the other hand if you look at your genome SNP by SNP you'll have more matching SNPs with the Kurd and the Kurd will cluster closer to you on PCA than your Homie. But on the other hand you'll share larger DNA chunks with your Homie.
So if we look at straight IBS your distance will be closer to the Kurd because you're made of roughly similar ancient proportions as him but if we look at recent admixture or IBD (Pi-Hat) you'll be closer to your Homie.
I think this paper will help you a little https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3178600/
It is an assumption of large, population-based datasets that samples are annotated accurately whether they correspond to known relationships or unrelated individuals. These annotations are key for a broad range of genetics applications. While many methods are available to assess relatedness that involve estimates of identity-by-descent (IBD) and/or identity-by-state (IBS) allele-sharing proportions, we developed a novel approach that estimates IBD0, 1, and 2 based on observed IBS within windows. When combined with genome-wide IBS information, it provides an intuitive and practical graphical approach with the capacity to analyze datasets with thousands of samples without prior information about relatedness between individuals or haplotypes. We applied the method to a commonly used Human Variation Panel consisting of 400 nominally unrelated individuals. Surprisingly, we identified identical, parent-child, and full-sibling relationships and reconstructed pedigrees. In two instances non-sibling pairs of individuals in these pedigrees had unexpected IBD2 levels, as well as multiple regions of homozygosity, implying inbreeding. This combined method allowed us to distinguish related individuals from those having atypical heterozygosity rates and determine which individuals were outliers with respect to their designated population. Additionally, it becomes increasingly difficult to identify distant relatedness using genome-wide IBS methods alone. However, our IBD method further identified distant relatedness between individuals within populations, supported by the presence of megabase-scale regions lacking IBS0 across individual chromosomes. We benchmarked our approach against the hidden Markov model of a leading software package (PLINK), showing improved calling of distantly related individuals, and we validated it using a known pedigree from a clinical study. The application of this approach could improve genome-wide association, linkage, heterozygosity, and other population genomics studies that rely on SNP genotype data.
For any given pair of individuals with genotype information, identity-by-state (IBS) can be observed at a given locus with three possible outcomes: the individuals have two different alleles (IBS0) or they share one (IBS1) or two (IBS2) alleles in common. For example, a pair of individuals with genotypes AA and BB are IBS0 at this locus whereas a pair with AA and AB are IBS1. Two individuals who share 1 or 2 alleles IBS at a given locus may have inherited the shared allele(s) from a recent common ancestor, in which these allele(s) are identical-by-descent (IBD). IBD approaches have been applied to linkage mapping [2] in which segments of IBD are detected with informative SNPs. IBD regions tend to be small between pairs of individuals derived from a given population that are not closely related, primarily because their last common ancestor was many generations ago. As such, GWAS are predicated upon the detection of regions of IBD when stratifying by phenotype.
Avicenna
07-03-2020, 05:46 PM
Ok I'm going to try. Let's say there's a 50% Tajik, 50% British person from your hometown and you ask 2 people who you are related to more; your Homie or a random Kurd.
One says your Homie, the other says the Kurd. Who is correct? Well they sort of both are in their own way. On the one hand you'll share more recent ancestry with your Homie, but on the other hand if you look at your genome SNP by SNP you'll have more matching SNPs with the Kurd and the Kurd will cluster closer to you on PCA than your Homie. But on the other hand you'll share larger DNA chunks with your Homie.
So if we look at straight IBS your distance will be closer to the Kurd because you're made of roughly similar ancient proportions as him but if we look at recent admixture or IBD (Pi-Hat) you'll be closer to your Homie.
I think this paper will help you a little https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3178600/
Very easily explained homie haha . But I generally meant the list ? How can a kurd have a non Kurd as closer than a kurd?
Very easily explained homie haha . But I generally meant the list ? How can a kurd have a non Kurd as closer than a kurd?
Because populations are not homogeneous especially when talking about a population that spans such a geographical area and borders various types of ethnicities. Heck even the various kurdish languages are quite different from each other reflecting different genetic inputs. Kurmanji and Sorani are not 80% mutually intelligible. Then you have Feyli and Gorani.
Even with more homogeneous smaller ethnic groups they only share a certain amount of DNA but by no means all DNA. That’s why calculators have to make haplotypes out of the small number of shared alleles between a bunch of individuals from the same population. That’s also why you can’t use one individual as a population average you have to make the average out of a bunch of individuals
Avicenna
07-03-2020, 08:18 PM
Because populations are not homogeneous especially when talking about a population that spans such a geographical area and borders various types of ethnicities. Heck even the various kurdish languages are quite different from each other reflecting different genetic inputs. Kurmanji and Sorani are not 80% mutually intelligible. Then you have Feyli and Gorani.
Even with more homogeneous smaller ethnic groups they only share a certain amount of DNA but by no means all DNA. That’s why calculators have to make haplotypes out of the small number of shared alleles between a bunch of individuals from the same population. That’s also why you can’t use one individual as a population average you have to make the average out of a bunch of individuals
But the kurd is closer to a Punjabi than another fellow Kurd? Could you do one with a more homogenous population to compare please?
But the kurd is closer to a Punjabi than another fellow Kurd? Could you do one with a more homogenous population to compare please?
Actually he shares more IBD with 4 other kurds not from his specific area than that 1 Punjabi. It’s not really that unusual. I’m sure there are non-Tajiks on your DNA relatives list and not all Tajiks show up on your DNA relatives list
Avicenna
07-03-2020, 09:06 PM
Actually he shares more IBD with 4 other kurds not from his specific area than that 1 Punjabi. It’s not really that unusual. I’m sure there are non-Tajiks on your DNA relatives list and not all Tajiks show up on your DNA relatives list
So is that kurd generically closer to the Punjabi than the kurd ?
So is that kurd generically closer to the Punjabi than the kurd ?
We always have to look at averages in genetics. So let's look at the average Pi-Hat for Punjabis vs the average Pi-Hat for Kurds (keep in mind there are no other Kurmanjis like the subject since we'll remove his close relatives. That will leave us with Feylis only and 1 Turkey Kurd). Ok here's the full table including the ones that scored 0 Pi-Hat.
After removing his close relatives we have the following total Pi-Hat:
Punjabis: 0.0423+0+0+0+0+0+0.0493+0.0303+0+0= 0.1219 / 10 = 0.01219 Avg Punjabi Pi-Hat
Kurds: 0.0736+0.0632+0.0585+0+0+0.0726 = 0.2679/6 = 0.04465 Avg Pi-Hat for Kurds which is quite a bit higher than for Punjabis and if there were more Kurmanji Kurds in the table I'm sure this average would have been even higher.
It's just like you'll not have all Afghan Tajiks tested in your DNA relative list but you'll have many whereas you'll have only a couple of Pakistani Punjabis in your match list.
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FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.001
0.947
0.053
0.526
0.89204
1.000
3,262.00
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.003
0.968
0.030
0.513
0.88920
1.000
1,068.33
Turkish
Turkish
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81242
0.455
1.99
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81202
0.207
1.94
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.926
0.000
0.074
0.074
0.81257
0.174
1.93
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.927
0.000
0.073
0.073
0.81419
0.178
1.93
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.930
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81191
0.045
1.88
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.931
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81269
0.731
2.05
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.934
0.000
0.066
0.066
0.81212
0.357
1.97
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.937
0.000
0.063
0.063
0.81131
0.181
1.93
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.942
0.000
0.059
0.059
0.81215
0.387
1.98
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.942
0.000
0.058
0.058
0.81171
0.490
2.00
Iranian
Iranian
0.946
0.000
0.055
0.055
0.80922
0.372
1.98
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.946
0.000
0.054
0.054
0.80969
0.000
1.75
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.951
0.000
0.049
0.049
0.80906
0.000
1.76
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80922
0.132
1.92
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80858
0.025
1.86
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.929
0.052
0.020
0.046
0.81077
0.877
2.09
N-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.952
0.006
0.043
0.046
0.81144
0.135
1.92
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.956
0.000
0.045
0.045
0.80919
0.084
1.90
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.956
0.002
0.042
0.043
0.81102
0.178
1.93
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.958
0.000
0.042
0.042
0.80871
0.025
1.86
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.959
0.000
0.041
0.041
0.81037
0.120
1.91
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.960
0.003
0.038
0.039
0.81019
0.319
1.96
Iranian
Iranian
0.962
0.000
0.038
0.038
0.80997
0.141
1.92
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.957
0.016
0.027
0.035
0.80919
0.197
1.94
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
0.970
0.000
0.030
0.030
0.80851
0.000
1.76
Assyrian
Assyrian
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81133
0.001
1.78
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80721
0.000
1.62
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80535
0.000
1.29
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80795
0.000
1.65
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80658
0.000
1.49
Basque
S_Basque-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.026
1.86
Basque
S_Basque-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80907
0.000
1.72
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80839
0.001
1.78
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80574
0.000
1.44
Botai-Kazakhstan
BOT15
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.78091
0.000
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80887
0.011
1.84
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.37
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79834
0.000
1.09
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79720
0.000
1.03
Dai
S_Dai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79656
0.000
1.09
Dai
A_Dai-5
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79719
0.000
1.09
Dai
S_Dai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79887
0.000
1.07
Dai
B_Dai-4
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79973
0.000
1.07
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77532
0.000
0.00
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77310
0.000
0.00
English
S_English-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80855
0.120
1.91
English
S_English-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80811
0.002
1.80
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80722
0.002
1.80
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80863
0.000
1.74
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80720
0.046
1.88
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80831
0.011
1.84
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80701
0.000
1.66
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81201
0.391
1.98
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81060
0.281
1.96
Han
S_Han-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79882
0.000
1.13
Han
S_Han-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79980
0.000
1.11
Han
B_Han-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79757
0.000
1.08
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80742
0.003
1.81
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80898
0.002
1.79
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80974
0.023
1.86
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79852
0.000
1.09
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79856
0.000
1.08
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79736
0.000
1.07
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80901
0.000
1.64
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80695
0.000
1.43
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80474
0.000
1.61
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80466
0.000
1.54
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79407
0.000
0.65
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79534
0.000
0.63
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79442
0.000
0.63
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81135
0.001
1.78
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81021
0.000
1.70
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81146
0.013
1.84
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79529
0.000
0.83
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75814
0.000
0.90
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75619
0.000
0.88
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80928
0.121
1.91
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.40
Masai
S_Masai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77087
0.000
1.17
Masai
S_Masai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77156
0.000
1.14
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75232
0.000
0.63
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75147
0.000
0.60
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80119
0.000
1.16
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80061
0.000
1.13
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80873
0.051
1.88
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80888
0.210
1.94
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80536
0.000
1.62
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.61
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80493
0.000
1.60
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80835
0.033
1.87
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.000
1.68
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80874
0.238
1.95
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80758
0.011
1.83
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80943
0.007
1.82
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80677
0.000
1.68
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80623
0.000
1.61
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80605
0.000
1.54
Somali
S_Somali-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77769
0.000
1.11
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80866
0.071
1.89
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80880
0.014
1.84
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80833
0.000
1.65
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80589
0.000
1.44
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.68
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81158
0.019
1.85
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80651
0.001
1.77
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80522
0.000
1.68
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79993
0.000
1.18
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79923
0.000
1.13
Yamnaya-Kazakh
Yamnaya
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.78222
0.000
0.00
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75526
0.000
0.85
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75499
0.000
0.81
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75639
0.000
0.81
</tbody>
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Now if we sort the above table by distance and not by IBD we get this. Maybe this is what you're expecting
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.001
0.947
0.053
0.526
0.89204
1.000
3,262.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.003
0.968
0.030
0.513
0.88920
1.000
1,068.33
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.927
0.000
0.073
0.073
0.81419
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.931
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81269
0.731
2.05
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.926
0.000
0.074
0.074
0.81257
0.174
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
Turkish
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81242
0.455
1.99
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.942
0.000
0.059
0.059
0.81215
0.387
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.934
0.000
0.066
0.066
0.81212
0.357
1.97
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81202
0.207
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81201
0.391
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.930
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81191
0.045
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.942
0.000
0.058
0.058
0.81171
0.490
2.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81158
0.019
1.85
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81146
0.013
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
N-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.952
0.006
0.043
0.046
0.81144
0.135
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81135
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81133
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.937
0.000
0.063
0.063
0.81131
0.181
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.956
0.002
0.042
0.043
0.81102
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.929
0.052
0.020
0.046
0.81077
0.877
2.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81060
0.281
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.959
0.000
0.041
0.041
0.81037
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.81021
0.000
1.70
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.960
0.003
0.038
0.039
0.81019
0.319
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.962
0.000
0.038
0.038
0.80997
0.141
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80974
0.023
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.946
0.000
0.054
0.054
0.80969
0.000
1.75
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80943
0.007
1.82
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80928
0.121
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80922
0.132
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.946
0.000
0.055
0.055
0.80922
0.372
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.957
0.016
0.027
0.035
0.80919
0.197
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.956
0.000
0.045
0.045
0.80919
0.084
1.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Basque
S_Basque-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80907
0.000
1.72
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.951
0.000
0.049
0.049
0.80906
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80901
0.000
1.64
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80898
0.002
1.79
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Basque
S_Basque-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.026
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80893
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80888
0.210
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80887
0.011
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80880
0.014
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80874
0.238
1.95
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80873
0.051
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.958
0.000
0.042
0.042
0.80871
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80866
0.071
1.89
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80863
0.000
1.74
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80858
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
English
S_English-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80855
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
0.970
0.000
0.030
0.030
0.80851
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80839
0.001
1.78
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80835
0.033
1.87
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80833
0.000
1.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80831
0.011
1.84
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
English
S_English-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80811
0.002
1.80
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80795
0.000
1.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80758
0.011
1.83
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80742
0.003
1.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80722
0.002
1.80
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80721
0.000
1.62
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80720
0.046
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80701
0.000
1.66
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80695
0.000
1.43
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80677
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80658
0.000
1.49
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80651
0.001
1.77
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80634
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80623
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80605
0.000
1.54
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.37
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80602
0.000
1.40
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80589
0.000
1.44
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80574
0.000
1.44
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80536
0.000
1.62
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80535
0.000
1.29
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80522
0.000
1.68
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80493
0.000
1.60
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80474
0.000
1.61
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80466
0.000
1.54
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80119
0.000
1.16
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.80061
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79993
0.000
1.18
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
S_Han-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79980
0.000
1.11
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
B_Dai-4
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79973
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79923
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
S_Dai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79887
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
S_Han-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79882
0.000
1.13
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79856
0.000
1.08
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79852
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79834
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Han
B_Han-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79757
0.000
1.08
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79736
0.000
1.07
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79720
0.000
1.03
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
A_Dai-5
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79719
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Dai
S_Dai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79656
0.000
1.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79534
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79529
0.000
0.83
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79442
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.79407
0.000
0.65
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Somali
S_Somali-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77769
0.000
1.11
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Masai
S_Masai-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77156
0.000
1.14
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Masai
S_Masai-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.77087
0.000
1.17
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75814
0.000
0.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75639
0.000
0.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75619
0.000
0.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75526
0.000
0.85
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75499
0.000
0.81
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75232
0.000
0.63
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.75147
0.000
0.60
</tbody>
henry007
07-04-2020, 02:48 PM
Apart from the kumanji kurd being as close to some iranian as pak pashtun, i find this relatively very MUCH MUCH likely. Nothing like kurd trying to make balochs the same as kurds, although every single south iranian kit i have, dont themselves seem that similiar to ANY kurd.
Makes sense west eurasians are closer to all east eurasians and vice versa, than both are to SSA's.
Wonder how afghan and pak pashtuns seem like on such IBS/IBD analyses?
Apart from the kumanji kurd being as close to some iranian as pak pashtun, i find this relatively very MUCH MUCH likely. Nothing like kurd trying to make balochs the same as kurds, although every single south iranian kit i have, dont themselves seem that similiar to ANY kurd.
Makes sense west eurasians are closer to all east eurasians and vice versa, than both are to SSA's.
Wonder how afghan and pak pashtuns seem like on such IBS/IBD analyses?
Actually he used formal stats, a program called Admixtools which has the dstat and qpAdm programs contained in it. Scientists use it alot more than the program I used here which is called Plink.
The thing is DNA analysis is not an exact science and each program will give you different results. What I do is take each result as a clue.
As far as Kurds and Baloch. We have evidence of Baloch migrations and Kurd migrations from west Iran to east Iran. Also their Kurdish is the closest language to Balochi. I'm sure that both Kurds and Baloch have alot of Mede and Parthian ancestry from 2000 years ago. The difference is Kurds that remained in West Iran absorbed more Caucasus, Anatolian, and steppe related genes. This diluted their Iran-N. The Baloch and to a smaller extent the Kurds that migrated to East Iran picked up ASI and their Iran-N didn't get diluted from picking up the genes that the Kurds in West Iran picked up.
Humans are not pure one thing or another thing. Like they are not stamped made in Iran or made in Kurdistan. That's the reason everyone has people from other ethnicities in their DNA match/relative list. It's because no one is pure one thing.
The difference between the table above sorted by distance and the one sorted by Pi-Hat is that the one by distance is based on all the positions in the genome showing how many SNPs match each other. The one sorted by Pi-Hat is sorted by shared IBD segments which indicates more recent admixture. They are both correct in their own way.
When we take out everything with Pi-Hat = 0 this is what we are left with. The table will not tell us whether the Punjabi has received some more recent Kurdish (Baloch or Iranic) related ancestry or visa versa. It just says that they shared some segment from more recent admixture. Basically this table is useful for figuring out more recent admixture chunks.
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.001
0.947
0.053
0.526
0.89204
1.000
3,262.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Kurmanji
Kurd_Kurmanji
0.003
0.968
0.030
0.513
0.88920
1.000
1,068.33
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
Turkish
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81242
0.455
1.99
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.925
0.000
0.075
0.075
0.81202
0.207
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.926
0.000
0.074
0.074
0.81257
0.174
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.927
0.000
0.073
0.073
0.81419
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.930
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81191
0.045
1.88
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.931
0.000
0.070
0.070
0.81269
0.731
2.05
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.934
0.000
0.066
0.066
0.81212
0.357
1.97
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.937
0.000
0.063
0.063
0.81131
0.181
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Kurd_Feyli
Kurd_Feyli
0.942
0.000
0.059
0.059
0.81215
0.387
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.942
0.000
0.058
0.058
0.81171
0.490
2.00
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.946
0.000
0.055
0.055
0.80922
0.372
1.98
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.946
0.000
0.054
0.054
0.80969
0.000
1.75
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.951
0.000
0.049
0.049
0.80906
0.000
1.76
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80922
0.132
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.952
0.000
0.048
0.048
0.80858
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.929
0.052
0.020
0.046
0.81077
0.877
2.09
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
N-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.952
0.006
0.043
0.046
0.81144
0.135
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.956
0.000
0.045
0.045
0.80919
0.084
1.90
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.956
0.002
0.042
0.043
0.81102
0.178
1.93
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.958
0.000
0.042
0.042
0.80871
0.025
1.86
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.959
0.000
0.041
0.041
0.81037
0.120
1.91
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.960
0.003
0.038
0.039
0.81019
0.319
1.96
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Iranian
Iranian
0.962
0.000
0.038
0.038
0.80997
0.141
1.92
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.957
0.016
0.027
0.035
0.80919
0.197
1.94
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq-WGS
Punjabi_Pak
Punjabi_Pak
0.970
0.000
0.030
0.030
0.80851
0.000
1.76
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I got one table done for Tajik and a couple of Pashtuns. I'll post in the next couple of days.
henry007
07-04-2020, 04:29 PM
"Actually he used formal stats, a program called Admixtools which has the dstat and qpAdm programs contained in it. Scientists use it alot more than the program I used here which is called Plink."
The thing is though that the people who accused kurd being wrong, also learned to understand qpAdm and d-stats too, still didnt trust him
Kurd also made some wild conclusions, like most afghans having large amount kurdish ancestry and other stuff, which isnt exactly supported by dna papers either. ALso, no paper has said that modern day balochs and kurds are that similiar as he tried to picture it, only himself had that idea.
And he made this new dna program, which for some reason gave west asians and indians around the same amount of east eurasian, but slightly different amount. He isnt an idiot and knows def more than me, but i just dont trust him too much. I dont care youre about to mention he has some PH.D or whatever, still seems odd.
henry007
07-04-2020, 05:11 PM
double post
henry007
07-04-2020, 05:12 PM
"The difference is Kurds that remained in West Iran absorbed more Caucasus, Anatolian, and steppe related genes. This diluted their Iran-N."
Also, what do you mean by that? Arent unmixed kurds(yes, i know kurds are a mix as well, but like from there, not being further mixed) a result of iranian chalcolithic, steppe iranic nomad and iranian neolithic, meaning they always had lower iranian neolithic ancestry, while balochs are the same mix that went eastwards, mixed with the ancient natives of south iran and instead got more iranian neolithic through shahr e sokteh farmers(iranian neolithic alike people with aasi)?
The thing is though that the people who accused kurd being wrong, also learned to understand qpAdm and d-stats too, still didnt trust him
I have never seen anyone post dstats or qpAdm results dealing with Baloch vs W Asians that contradicted his results
Kurd also made some wild conclusions, like most afghans having large amount kurdish ancestry and other stuff, which isnt exactly supported by dna papers either. ALso, no paper has said that modern day balochs and kurds are that similiar as he tried to picture it, only himself had that idea.
Are you saying this based on a large number of verbs and nouns shared between Kurdish and Pashto or are you talking about a Kurdish admixture calculator? Also, I haven't seen any DNA papers out there discussing the migration of Baloch from western Iran.
And he made this new dna program, which for some reason gave west asians and indians around the same amount of east eurasian, but slightly different amount.
Did that program even have a S. Eurasian component. If it didn't then that's your answer
"The difference is Kurds that remained in West Iran absorbed more Caucasus, Anatolian, and steppe related genes. This diluted their Iran-N."
Also, what do you mean by that? Arent unmixed kurds(yes, i know kurds are a mix as well, but like from there, not being further mixed) a result of iranian chalcolithic, steppe iranic nomad and iranian neolithic, meaning they always had lower iranian neolithic ancestry, while balochs are the same mix that went eastwards, mixed with the ancient natives of south iran and instead got more iranian neolithic through shahr e sokteh farmers(iranian neolithic alike people with aasi)?
I was talking about Kurds picking up that stuff over the past 1000 to 2000 years because the people living before the present day Kurds in the Zagros like Iran-Chl had more Iran-N than present day Kurds
henry007
07-04-2020, 06:15 PM
"I have never seen anyone post dstats or qpAdm results dealing with Baloch vs W Asians that contradicted his results"
The people on AG(not just south asians) seem to be fund of qpAdm themselves and still dont agree with kurd on that regard. If you had a word with them, i think youll find out they wont agree with you(i do assume, as youre about to say, that they have agendas. I DO think they might have agendas, but not on this one. I dont think it sounds right either that kurds and balochs are very identical today).
"Are you saying this based on a large number of verbs and nouns shared between Kurdish and Pashto or are you talking about a Kurdish admixture calculator? Also, I haven't seen any DNA papers out there discussing the migration of Baloch from western Iran."
I didnt meant by language or admixture wise. I meant by he literally said we had proto kurdish ancestry, that the "west asianess" in pashtuns come from "proto-kurds".
ALso, there was this dna plot on iranians from 2019 and the balochs didnt seem exactly identical to the kurds on the plot. Neither most of the south iranians. SOme of the iranian members posted it before. I think you can ask them about it.
"Did that program even have a S. Eurasian component. If it didn't then that's your answer"
I think it did. It def gave west asians such as kurds a lot of east asian, like 8-10%. Im maybe going to post my results(i expected more from his program and the results were less interesting than i thought, just lumping all the west eurasian together)
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