You get coincidence with travelers? (gypsies from northern Europe)

[Gallop]

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/dna.php

You get coincidence with travelers?

During our recent project we have managed to test the D.N.A of four of our local settled Gypsy Traveller community: for this we have used Ancestry.co.uk as we already have family trees on their website, which we have worked on over many years. We have been able to access the D.N.A. matches that link in with our Family Trees. Ancestry often has special offers on the cost of their D.N.A testing so we waited for these to come along first. Ancestry has a large data base of over six million users around the world and focuses on genetic links in order to help build family trees that give an insight into the ethnicity and migratory journeys ancestors may have taken thousands of years ago and more recently. Ancestry D.N.A testing covers Single Autosomal, Autosomal DNA cousin matching and Biogeographical ancestry analysis.

The four community members whom we tested have family trees which include names such as Cooper, Ayres, Lamb, Doe, James, Pidgley, Smith, Sherred, Sheen and many others well known within the Gypsy Traveller Community. We choose these particularly four people as they didn’t appear to be closely related at the beginning of the project.

All four people tested had a known history of ancestors living within the New Forest as part of the recognised settled Gypsy Traveller Community.

Once we had received our D.N.A test results from Ancestry the first thing that we noticed is that all four D.N.A tests were D.N.A Matches with each other, but as yet we have not found all the links within our trees and this will be part of our ongoing research.

We decided to compare the Ethnicity of the D.N.A tests between the four Gypsy Traveller community members and took the information from Ancestry and entered it into a bar graph using Excel. We were extremely disappointed to find after lots of setting up of the bar chart and meticulous entering of figures that the results to all four tests were identical, although we know that one community member has two Grandparents who are not from the community. We decided the best course of action was to upload the Ethnicity results as we are not from the Settled Gypsy Traveller Community or from this area, once again the results were identical and we can find no explanation as to why this would be the case.

We then downloaded the RAW Data and uploaded it onto GEDmatch which is a third party free of cost website used for the analysis and comparison of raw autosomal DNA data, which has been processed by genetic genealogy testing companies such as Ancestry and My Heritage. This enabled us to not only compare our D.N.A samples with against each other, but also against further possible cousin connections whom are not on Ancestry, as well as run our data against thousands of other users that had uploaded their DNA from around the world. Using GEDmatch we have been able to compare autosomal, X chromosome and Y chromosome results and also to do further analysis using the One-to-One DNA Comparison and the X One-to-One DNA Comparison tools.

One of the first areas of research we carried out using GEDmatch was to see if any of the four community members had parents that were related to each other. Our findings were:-
Two tests informed us that these individual had parents that were related within several generations.
One test informed us that the individual had parents related distantly.
One test informed us that the individual’s parents were not related at all. Interestingly this was the individual who is known to have one pair of grandparents that are not from the local settled Gypsy Traveller Community.
We were not surprised with these results as it is well understood that this community have stuck together over many generations and have married within their own community.

When we looked at the community members D.N.A for Ethnicity results again: this time using GEDmatch we found the following:-

These results showed significant differences in Ethnicity between the four individuals from the community, however all showed Asia which would be correct as Romany Gypsy Travellers are believed to have originally migrated from the northern Indian sub-continent around 1500. This Eurogenes K13 Admixture Test which we able to carry out through GEDmatch also shows a much higher percentage of Asian Ethnicity in all four DNA samples which is what we were originally expecting to find.

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/ig/DNA2.jpg

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/ig/DNA3.jpg

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/ig/DNA4.jpg

http://www.newforestromanygypsytraveller.co.uk/ig/DNA5.jpg

The results above show the Autosomal DNA comparison between the four community members and has been carried out using the free service with GEDmatch.

Using D.N.A samples has enabled us to confirm links as well as find many new links for our ongoing work with this Communities GED files (Family Trees), we have also been able to get to know many new people from all over the world who are looking for information regarding a possible link to the Gypsy Traveller community and who have found matches with our D.N.A samples. We also have a few people that unfortunately have unknown close relatives or have been adopted that are finding the information we hold helpful in the search for their family members.

If you would like to compare your RAW D.N.A Data with our samples in GEDmatch the Kit details are as follows:-

A115523
A598437
A681456
A796236

[Gallop]

The first one seems to get very little from India, the rest all get but very little.

I don't get anything from East or South Asia in k13 that seems like a common denominator in them however how the rest of the values are possible if it is supposed to be such an isolated group when or how they have mixed with the rest of the population in their area ?

They seem rather local or a group that isolates itself from the rest for reasons other than racial difference. Someone who knows the subject will clear me of doubts.

[Gaditanian]

I only get with the last kit

A796236 (*Paul) [Migration - F2 - A]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
13 37,995,147 42,956,621 6.9 231

Largest segment = 6.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.9 cM (0.191 Pct)

[Gallop]

I've been getting information and apparently they are not gypsies

[Gaditanian]

I've been getting information and apparently they are not gypsies

I was thinking the same due the very low south asian component for the roma people

[Gallop]

I was thinking the same due the very low south asian component for the roma people

Apparently the travelers from Ireland already existed 300 years before the gypsies arrived in Ireland for example. And these gypsies in the study do have little Asia (India), so where is the supposed hermeticism and social isolation as an ethnic group.

I do not know if there is a study on the Spanish gypsies. If they have supposedly been so isolated, how is it possible to coincide with Europe?

[Gaditanian]

Apparently the travelers from Ireland already existed 300 years before the gypsies arrived in Ireland for example. And these gypsies in the study do have little Asia (India), so where is the supposed hermeticism and social isolation as an ethnic group.

I do not know if there is a study on the Spanish gypsies. If they have supposedly been so isolated, how is it possible to coincide with Europe?


Don't you think that the travellers are the same people that in Spain are the " Mercheros " instead of Gypsies?

I have read some where, that the Mercheros are different ethnic group in Spain, but no ones know exactly their origins.

[Gallop]

Don't you think that the travellers are the same people that in Spain are the " Mercheros " instead of Gypsies?

I have read some where, that the Mercheros are different ethnic group in Spain, but no ones know exactly their origins.

It is most likely because obviously they are not going to come out of nowhere, surely the lighters could be a case similar to travelers who leave the same town for any sociological reason. It is sad that there is no longer a genetic work on the Spanish gypsies and the mercheros.

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish Travellers are completely Irish. They don't have any Roma ancestry. They are an indigenous Irish group that diverged from the Irish population through drift and consanguity.

These kits don't appear to be Irish Traveller though.

A115523

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.50
2 Baltic 21.85
3 West_Med 15.35
4 East_Med 6.12
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Red_Sea 2.22
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Northeast_African 1.49


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 2.926278
2 West_German @ 3.640848
3 French @ 7.681195
4 Southeast_English @ 7.926311
5 North_German @ 8.915006
6 Southwest_English @ 9.433720
7 Orcadian @ 9.826164
8 Danish @ 10.089134
9 North_Dutch @ 10.138279
10 Austrian @ 10.834632
11 Irish @ 10.850017
12 West_Scottish @ 11.391233
13 East_German @ 12.276030
14 Norwegian @ 12.732788
15 Swedish @ 13.348269
16 Hungarian @ 15.968770
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.332603
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.042633
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.394964
20 Portuguese @ 17.507671

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 2.666961


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_German @ 1.996296


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_German + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 1.996296
2 North_German + North_German + South_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.040795
3 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.151836
4 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.161981
5 Danish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.165607
6 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.210063
7 Hungarian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.227662
8 Hungarian + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.229697
9 Hungarian + Irish + Irish + Portuguese @ 2.239099
10 North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_German @ 2.249163
11 French + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.256350
12 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.257654
13 Austrian + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.262524
14 Hungarian + Irish + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 2.265855
15 North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish + West_German @ 2.271988
16 Austrian + Danish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.279128
17 Austrian + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.287891
18 Hungarian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.290785
19 North_German + North_German + Portuguese + South_Dutch @ 2.295367
20 Hungarian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.300691

This one could possibly be. A598437

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.06
2 Baltic 20.53
3 West_Med 14.23
4 East_Med 6.15
5 West_Asian 3.79
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Amerindian 1.33


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.709147
2 Southwest_English @ 4.760209
3 Orcadian @ 6.204792
4 South_Dutch @ 6.667014
5 West_Scottish @ 6.810479
6 Irish @ 7.143698
7 North_Dutch @ 7.782233
8 Danish @ 8.200653
9 West_German @ 8.296001
10 North_German @ 9.378186
11 Norwegian @ 10.557951
12 French @ 10.675717
13 Swedish @ 12.932937
14 Austrian @ 16.453516
15 East_German @ 17.507923
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.192039
17 North_Swedish @ 19.055958
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.242790
19 Southwest_French @ 19.719242
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.872757

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% West_Scottish @ 3.324819


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% West_Scottish @ 2.536920


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.249144
2 Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.283145
3 Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.321895
4 Danish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.370499
5 North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.375145
6 Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.416627
7 North_Dutch + Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.443556
8 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.457326
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.461120
10 Danish + Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.477980
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.482327
12 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.494337
13 Orcadian + Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.505666
14 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.517217
15 Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.521442
16 Portuguese + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.521573
17 Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.534995
18 Orcadian + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.535168
19 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.536227
20 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.536920

A681456. This one Nope. I don't think any of these are Irish Travellers but possibly some admixed population.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.54
2 Baltic 20.09
3 West_Med 13.37
4 East_Med 9.91
5 West_Asian 6.43
6 South_Asian 5.91
7 Red_Sea 2.40
8 Siberian 1.35


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 7.163840
2 South_Dutch @ 8.204082
3 French @ 9.011965
4 Austrian @ 11.615117
5 North_German @ 13.305059
6 East_German @ 13.729365
7 Southeast_English @ 13.765026
8 Hungarian @ 14.739230
9 Danish @ 14.968687
10 North_Dutch @ 15.593724
11 Orcadian @ 15.649443
12 Southwest_English @ 15.669261
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.510555
14 Irish @ 16.682924
15 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.720268
16 Portuguese @ 16.868179
17 Serbian @ 16.937033
18 West_Scottish @ 17.099239
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.685041
20 Norwegian @ 17.963928

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +50% West_Scottish @ 6.988982


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% East_Sicilian +25% South_Dutch @ 5.293278


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++
1 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + Danish @ 5.150342
2 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + Orcadian @ 5.258326
3 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + North_German @ 5.258814
4 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + Irish @ 5.280097
5 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + North_German + Orcadian @ 5.290731
6 Danish + Danish + East_Sicilian + South_Dutch @ 5.293278
7 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.299016
8 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Irish + North_German @ 5.301974
9 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + West_Scottish @ 5.328138
10 Ashkenazi + Danish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 5.364165
11 Ashkenazi + Danish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 5.369443
12 Ashkenazi + Danish + Danish + South_Dutch @ 5.376767
13 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + Swedish @ 5.381126
14 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Orcadian + Swedish @ 5.386905
15 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 5.387074
16 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Irish + Swedish @ 5.393199
17 Algerian_Jewish + Danish + Danish + North_Dutch @ 5.403049
18 Algerian_Jewish + North_German + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.405686
19 Danish + North_German + South_Dutch + West_Sicilian @ 5.413529
20 Danish + Danish + French + Greek_Thessaly @ 5.415102

A796236

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.63
2 Baltic 20.30
3 West_Med 13.79
4 West_Asian 8.13
5 East_Med 7.62
6 South_Asian 3.18


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 4.078482
2 South_Dutch @ 4.382389
3 Southeast_English @ 8.307292
4 French @ 8.672152
5 North_German @ 9.247963
6 Southwest_English @ 10.060742
7 Orcadian @ 10.227403
8 Danish @ 10.235866
9 North_Dutch @ 10.596281
10 Irish @ 11.018946
11 West_Scottish @ 11.461241
12 Austrian @ 12.560819
13 Norwegian @ 13.264743
14 East_German @ 14.318634
15 Swedish @ 14.397117
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.956793
17 Hungarian @ 17.180510
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.466215
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.514116
20 Portuguese @ 18.530945

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% West_German @ 4.038773


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Orcadian @ 3.118676


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.981287
2 Danish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 2.997459
3 Danish + Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.056782
4 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.059146
5 Danish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian @ 3.101215
6 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.113243
7 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian @ 3.118676
8 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.147446
9 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.153921
10 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.172476
11 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.177503
12 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 3.187538
13 Irish + Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.197928
14 Greek_Thessaly + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.217665
15 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.226946
16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.240510
17 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.247512
18 Danish + Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + West_Scottish @ 3.251540
19 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.270518
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.274031

Not sure what they are but they aren't Irish Travellers. They have definite admixture in their results and could have some Roma ancestry.

[Gallop]

It would be interesting to find Traveler Gedmatch kits to compare with these

[J. Ketch]

Looks like British Gypsies, who often have very little non-Euro.

[Lucas]

Looks like British Gypsies, who often have very little non-Euro.

British Gypsies and travelers aren't the same group?

[J. Ketch]

British Gypsies and travelers aren't the same group?
Nope. Both are called Gypsies, but the real Gypsies are the Romanies, while Travellers are just Irish who took up that lifestyle centuries ago, as Grace alluded to.

As far as I know they're still largely separate and unmixed in Britain.

[Gaditanian]

British Gypsies and travelers aren't the same group?

As I I said to Gallop in Spain happens the same.

We have roma people ( gypsies ) and the " Mercheros ", also knows as White Gypsies.

The two groups live in the same way, but Mercheros are quite dangerous than Gypsies, even gypsies are afraid of them.

Some theories said that they are descendents of the Yenish People.

They are around 200K mercheros in Spain.

[Lucas]

As I I said to Gallop in Spain happens the same.

We have roma people ( gypsies ) and the " Mercheros ", also knows as White Gypsies.

The two groups live in the same way, but Mercheros are quite dangerous than Gypsies, even gypsies are afraid of them.

Some theories said that they are descendents of the Yenish People.

They are around 200K mercheros in Spain.

Very interesting. Never heard of Mercheros.

Also Yenish, from it and their images they aren't Gypsy too. I wonder if someone has Yenish genome tested...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenish_people

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Jenische1928e.jpg

[Gallop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tjbyuqt9qA

It is true that mercheros are feared even by gypsies.

[Graham]

Using Gedmatches are your parents related

The three samples that score low North-Atlantid have parents that are related to one another.

The Traveler who scores a result more comparable to the most Brits or Irish shows that their parents are not related.

[Gaditanian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tjbyuqt9qA

It is true that mercheros are feared even by gypsies.

In this video Mercheros talk about themselves, and they say the same thing that I have said to Lukasz, that they come from central and northern Europe, I suppose that they are referring to the Yenish.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWaxKuHBg6M

What is clear to me is that they look different, perhaps with a primitive looking.

It does not seem to me a phenotype from central or northern Europe, or at least not related to any of the Indo-European ethnicities, rather everything could point to the fact that they could be descendants or survivors from ancient EEF populations, they seem more similar to the Sardinians.

[Poemm]

I only get with the last kit

A796236 (*Paul) [Migration - F2 - A]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
13 37,995,147 42,956,621 6.9 231

Largest segment = 6.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.9 cM (0.191 Pct)
Same for me, and I'm Dutch. No known traveller history (just a great-great-grandfather, profession traveling shoemaker, that's why I found this topic)

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs Segment threshold Bunch limit SNP Density Ratio
8 19.297.051 22.844.981 7,2 243 181 108 0,1

Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs Segment threshold Bunch limit SNP Density Ratio
12 44.276.369 51.776.725 5,8 223 184 110 0,07

Largest segment = 7.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 13cM (0.364 Pct)

2 shared segments found for this comparison.

[Gallop]

In this video Mercheros talk about themselves, and they say the same thing that I have said to Lukasz, that they come from central and northern Europe, I suppose that they are referring to the Yenish.



What is clear to me is that they look different, perhaps with a primitive looking.

It does not seem to me a phenotype from central or northern Europe, or at least not related to any of the Indo-European ethnicities, rather everything could point to the fact that they could be descendants or survivors from ancient EEF populations, they seem more similar to the Sardinians.

This is from years ago, but it is already known that the mercheros are like the rest of Spaniards who for some socio-economic reason separated creating their own community.

[Gallop]

Well, I get the result with all the samples with the first sample at a minimum segment of 7

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiezoHqopUpvX24g9dF5-T3VKXHd7Hg-gQrI5C_jxQSB6FM0ih4MYhq3I-B4zLp6KWkVh3ma2BVS98LHk5XnbnB54Uzm1MYiAuodevVoPcUD jH7MLkeie4r1x8e_4Q-AGVR8mj-H_6XD1B2YoI_sb-oGjPammp7cUt-UjYexn0Wbnar8F9KO-e8m6GSeo0/s810/Traveler1.jpeg

Comparing my kit with that of this Traveler woman the coincidences are NE Euro, Mediterranean, Caucasus and in the last chromosome it looks a bit of San or E African, I do not distinguish the color very well.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhPIEq8RGbwCneYi31ddpdTbSu2MGWnv3vdKwRvvf6Kn2 fsC4mkhGb-3pYhrInQYHxycv3tfKQMkmMpQQjefSJKHOr3VSjd3cRTKAU8Sb VKHnSVZyGc0CV1Ts9ntdC1eNT__z2O-NKTTsCPnAXRh_ZGZR3bjPtWaC6mW9gk1IysX1hFDV5gsp7_InR aQfg/s571/TravelerMineHarrapaWorld.jpeg