View Full Version : Admixture modelling of Turkic ancient samples. (peer-reviewed paper)
Voskos
07-01-2020, 07:39 PM
All the models are taken from this paper:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.008078v1
Turkic-period individuals
Sample ID: Admixture
ZAA004 :100% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
ZAA002 :100% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
TSB001 :72,9% Sarmatian+27,1% Gonur1_BA
NOM001:64,9% Sarmatian+18,8% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave +16,3% Gonur1_BA
ULI002: 31,4% Sarmatian +68,6% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
ZAA007: 24,7% Sarmatian +75,3% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
TUM001:17,9% Sarmatian+82,1% Han_2000BP
UGU001:19,4%Sarmatian +80,6% Khovsgol_LBA
TUK001: 53,3 Gonur1_BA +46,7% Sarmatian
Voskos
07-01-2020, 07:45 PM
Related older thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318551-Finally-Turkic-(and-Mongolic)-samples-from-Mongolia/page3
Kaspias
07-01-2020, 07:53 PM
Another important thing about this article is we had one Proto-Turk like outlier sample from Hovsgol. Thanks to this article it is proved that the Hovsgol sample is not a coincidence, and today's known Turkic form was already present in BA.
See the samples:
Distance to: MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444 Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612 Bashkir
0.08215698 Nogai
Distance to: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791 Bashkir
0.06274597 Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867 Uzbek
Distance to: MNG_Sagly_EIA_4
0.04129674 Bashkir
0.04756727 Tatar_Siberian
0.08012403 Nogai
Distance to: MNG_EIA_2
0.05602901 Bashkir
0.08332488 Tatar_Siberian
0.08525325 Tatar_Lipka
Distance to: MNG_EIA_5
0.06174371 Tatar_Siberian
0.06412454 Bashkir
0.06853078 Uzbek
Distance to: MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252 Bashkir
0.08378775 Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335 Tatar_Siberian
Distance to: MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
0.06213650 Bashkir
0.07780193 Udmurt
0.08062894 Besermyan
Lucas
07-01-2020, 09:02 PM
Another important thing about this article is we had one Proto-Turk like outlier sample from Hovsgol. Thanks to this article it is proved that the Hovsgol sample is not a coincidence, and today's known Turkic form was already present in BA.
See the samples:
Distance to: MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444 Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612 Bashkir
0.08215698 Nogai
Distance to: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791 Bashkir
0.06274597 Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867 Uzbek
Distance to: MNG_Sagly_EIA_4
0.04129674 Bashkir
0.04756727 Tatar_Siberian
0.08012403 Nogai
Distance to: MNG_EIA_2
0.05602901 Bashkir
0.08332488 Tatar_Siberian
0.08525325 Tatar_Lipka
Distance to: MNG_EIA_5
0.06174371 Tatar_Siberian
0.06412454 Bashkir
0.06853078 Uzbek
Distance to: MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252 Bashkir
0.08378775 Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335 Tatar_Siberian
Distance to: MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
0.06213650 Bashkir
0.07780193 Udmurt
0.08062894 Besermyan
So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?
Kaspias
07-01-2020, 09:25 PM
So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?
You are correct. Proto-Turkic should be Bashkir like genetically, and Chuvash like linguistically.
Eastern Scythians are Turks' themselves who live in that time period.
Bender1999
07-02-2020, 10:04 AM
Yes actually really interesting but werent the Samaratians Iranic?
Konstantinos
07-02-2020, 01:14 PM
Do they model moderns also? For example Turkish people and Azeris?
So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?
You are correct. Proto-Turkic should be Bashkir like genetically, and Chuvash like linguistically.
According to Balanovsky et al. Bashkirs are ca. 25-40% East Eurasian (the Northern ones are less EE than the Southern ones). It would be great to get that data which I'm sure both you and Peterski have access to.
Voskos
07-02-2020, 06:04 PM
Do they model moderns also? For example Turkish people and Azeris?
I'm sure they've modelled moderns in some other papers. Not in this one though iirc.
Konstantinos
07-02-2020, 10:58 PM
I'm sure they've modelled moderns in some other papers. Not in this one though iirc.
I very much look forward to such a paper. Apart from ancients, another way to model them is using pre-existing Greeks and Armenians. If done correctly it would mean using relevant groups for each region. I long to finally see detailed analysis of Greeks from Western Asia Minor and non-Trabzon Pontics. Until now people use islanders, Cappadocians and Trabzon Pontics to model them which don't necessarily represent exactly the aforementioned.
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