I got my official G25 coordinates

[Chris596]

Really interesting. Now I have so many questions. I've seen WHG so many times but what does it mean exactly? Also, what's up with Anatolia and Yamnaya? And Han means Han Chinese?

Please tell me your opinion and I'm open to every useful information and tips :)

Scaled results

Distance to: Chris_scaled
0.02392174 Montenegrin
0.02519419 Bosnian
0.02739376 Romanian
0.02778235 Serbian
0.03071410 Croatian
0.03140491 Macedonian
0.03237265 Bulgarian
0.03543271 Slovenian
0.03566924 Hungarian
0.03577579 Moldavian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.9207% / 0.03920668
41.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
7.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
2.0 Han

https://i.imgur.com/0mtUVje.png

[Kyp]

Yamnaya = Indo-European (Steppe)
Anatolia_Barcin = European farmer
WHG= additional European Hunter-Gatherer
Han = Chinese(mongoloid)

[Chris596]

Yamnaya = Indo-European (Steppe)
Anatolia_Barcin = European farmer
WHG= additional European Hunter-Gatherer
Han = Chinese(mongoloid)

Thanks and Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N is the same as Anatolia_Barcin?

Some other results (after the suggestion of Mr. G) :)


Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.2816% / 0.01281578
34.6 Lithuanian_PA
19.6 Sardinian
12.0 Greek_Peloponnese
12.0 Lithuanian_VA
11.6 Abkhasian
4.0 Cossack_Ukrainian
2.4 Macedonian
1.6 Georgian_Laz
1.4 Li
0.6 Ket
0.2 Ju_hoan_North

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.2698% / 0.02269754
54.0 Balkanic
46.0 Slavic

[Luke35]

Okay Chris, my special requests would be for you to post:

K25, K35, and also the Ultimate Modern World K50 from the G25 custom calcs.

Also, look forward to seeing your results when using the sources that I sent you in PM.

Thank you

[Luke35]

Thanks and Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N is the same as Anatolia_Barcin?

Some other results (after the suggestion of Mr. G) :)


Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.2816% / 0.01281578
34.6 Lithuanian_PA
19.6 Sardinian
12.0 Greek_Peloponnese
12.0 Lithuanian_VA
11.6 Abkhasian
4.0 Cossack_Ukrainian
2.4 Macedonian
1.6 Georgian_Laz
1.4 Li
0.6 Ket
0.2 Ju_hoan_North

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.2698% / 0.02269754
54.0 Balkanic
46.0 Slavic

Ah okay, no German. How about at .25x, any German?

What do you get with the modern data set at .25x and .5x?

About Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N, I remember I scored very little of that one, while I score about the same as you on the other Anatolia sample. I'm not sure of the significance of this.

[Chris596]

Ah okay, no German. How about at .25x, any German?

About Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N, I remember I scored very little of that one, while I score about the same as you on the other Anatolia sample. I'm not sure of the significance of this.

Nope, no Germanic even at .25x, .5x, 1x or 2x :rolleyes: which meeeaaaans... I'm really not Germanic at all?

K25:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.8139% / 0.01813866
55.8 Balto_Slavic
21.2 Neolithic_Farmers
17.8 Caucasian
2.6 Greek+Albanian
1.6 European_Hunters_Gatherers
1.0 East_Asian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9939% / 0.01993855 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 Greek+Albanian
40.8 Balto_Slavic
1.2 East_Asian


K35:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9734% / 0.01973421
71.0 Balkan
14.8 Balto_Slavic
7.8 South_West_European
5.0 South_Caucasian
1.4 East_Asian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.0236% / 0.02023650 | ADC: 0.25x
96.8 Balkan
2.0 Balto_Slavic
1.2 East_Asian

Ultimate Modern World K50:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.8750% / 0.01875046
35.8 Balkan
25.6 Balto_Slavic_South
25.4 Greek_Albanian
6.4 Basque
4.6 Abkhasian_Georgian
1.4 Southeast_Asian
0.8 Balto_Slavic_North

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9671% / 0.01967113 | ADC: 0.25x
97.8 Balkan
1.2 Southeast_Asian
0.6 Balto_Slavic_South
0.2 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.2 Basque

Most Balkanic Hungarian ever.

[Ljubic]

Nope, no Germanic even at .25x, .5x, 1x or 2x :rolleyes: which meeeaaaans... I'm really not Germanic at all?

K25:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.8139% / 0.01813866
55.8 Balto_Slavic
21.2 Neolithic_Farmers
17.8 Caucasian
2.6 Greek+Albanian
1.6 European_Hunters_Gatherers
1.0 East_Asian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9939% / 0.01993855 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 Greek+Albanian
40.8 Balto_Slavic
1.2 East_Asian


K35:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9734% / 0.01973421
71.0 Balkan
14.8 Balto_Slavic
7.8 South_West_European
5.0 South_Caucasian
1.4 East_Asian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.0236% / 0.02023650 | ADC: 0.25x
96.8 Balkan
2.0 Balto_Slavic
1.2 East_Asian

Ultimate Modern World K50:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.8750% / 0.01875046
35.8 Balkan
25.6 Balto_Slavic_South
25.4 Greek_Albanian
6.4 Basque
4.6 Abkhasian_Georgian
1.4 Southeast_Asian
0.8 Balto_Slavic_North

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9671% / 0.01967113 | ADC: 0.25x
97.8 Balkan
1.2 Southeast_Asian
0.6 Balto_Slavic_South
0.2 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.2 Basque

Most Balkanic Hungarian ever.

G25 doesnt give me any germanic too even though i am part German. It doesnt mean anything.

[Chris596]

G25 doesnt give me any germanic too even though i am part German. It doesnt mean anything.

I see what you mean. But I can assume I have a little Germanic afterall, maybe, idk. Maybe I'm the least Germanic Hungarian (now I'm serious).

[Chris596]

Some other useful calcs to try out?

[17571imre]

Some other useful calcs to try out?

try this one unscaled :)

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Dark%20ages%20Balkans%20Andre%20unscaled.htm

[Chris596]

try this one unscaled :)

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Dark%20ages%20Balkans%20Andre%20unscaled.htm

Alright brother :)

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1251% / 0.01125131
52.0 Slavic
41.8 Vlach
6.2 Turanic_invasion

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1372% / 0.01137245 | ADC: 0.25x
54.2 Slavic
42.2 Vlach
3.6 Turanic_invasion

2x gives me 96.6 Slavic and 3.4 Vlach

[Luke35]

Nope, no Germanic even at .25x, .5x, 1x or 2x :rolleyes: which meeeaaaans... I'm really not Germanic at all?

Ultimate Modern World K50:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.8750% / 0.01875046
35.8 Balkan
25.6 Balto_Slavic_South
25.4 Greek_Albanian
6.4 Basque
4.6 Abkhasian_Georgian
1.4 Southeast_Asian
0.8 Balto_Slavic_North

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9671% / 0.01967113 | ADC: 0.25x
97.8 Balkan
1.2 Southeast_Asian
0.6 Balto_Slavic_South
0.2 Abkhasian_Georgian
0.2 Basque

Most Balkanic Hungarian ever.

For comparison to my Hungarian side, which seems to be average Germanic and above average Balkanic (for Hungarian). But not as Balkanic as you!


Ultimate Modern World K50:

Target: MrG-dad
Distance: 2.0824% / 0.02082420
62.6 Balkan
26.2 North_Sea_Germanic
4.4 Northwest_European
3.8 Pashtun
1.2 Tajik
1.2 Tundra_Yukagir
0.6 Greek_Albanian

Target: MrG-dad
Distance: 2.1120% / 0.02112015 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Balkan
26.0 North_Sea_Germanic
6.0 Tajik
1.4 Northwest_European
0.6 Tundra_Yukagir

[Chris596]

For comparison to my Hungarian side, which seems to be average Germanic and above average Balkanic (for Hungarian). But not as Balkanic as you!


Ultimate Modern World K50:

Target: MrG-dad
Distance: 2.0824% / 0.02082420
62.6 Balkan
26.2 North_Sea_Germanic
4.4 Northwest_European
3.8 Pashtun
1.2 Tajik
1.2 Tundra_Yukagir
0.6 Greek_Albanian

Target: MrG-dad
Distance: 2.1120% / 0.02112015 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Balkan
26.0 North_Sea_Germanic
6.0 Tajik
1.4 Northwest_European
0.6 Tundra_Yukagir

Hmm, so I guess we can really say that my ancestry is almost entirely East/Southeast European and just a bit of East Asian and that's it basically. Pashtun, Tajik means Central Asian in the case of your Dad, or something else? (I'm not familiar with it because I never get these results so I never searched for it)

[Luke35]

Hmm, so I guess we can really say that my ancestry is almost entirely East/Southeast European and just a bit of East Asian and that's it basically. Pashtun, Tajik means Central Asian in the case of your Dad, or something else? (I'm not familiar with it because I never get these results so I never searched for it)

You're just not getting anything Germanic at all, perhaps someone knows better than me about how to find it, but if it's there it is sure doing a good job hiding.

Yes, your ancestry seems to be East/Southeast European + Minor Asian but what this shows is that this type of ancestry exists among Hungarians, it's just that you are not in the average/common range. You represent a rarer type. Very cool.

As far as my Hungarian ancestry and scoring Tajik, Pashtun, etc. (and this K50 calc probably exaggerates it a bit) Kaspias suspects that my father was southern shifted compared to the average Hungarian because of extra Irano-Turkic like ancestry that carries mainly CHG, but also a small amount of East Eurasian.

[Rocinante]

Congrats Chris! Go to my last model: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325955-G25-Refreshing-Ancient-Components-by-Rocinante-(Scaled)

[Chris596]

This is what I get by using another model (better distance and everything):

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.1042% / 0.03104196
27.0 UKR_Dereivka_I_En2
18.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.6 Armenia_EBA
13.2 UKR_Dereivka_I_En1
13.0 UKR_Trypillia
7.8 UKR_Sredny_Stog_II_En
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 Han

[Yamnaya]

Really interesting. Now I have so many questions. I've seen WHG so many times but what does it mean exactly? Also, what's up with Anatolia and Yamnaya? And Han means Han Chinese?

Please tell me your opinion and I'm open to every useful information and tips :)

Scaled results



Distance to: Chris_scaled
0.02392174 Montenegrin
0.02519419 Bosnian
0.02739376 Romanian
0.02778235 Serbian
0.03071410 Croatian
0.03140491 Macedonian
0.03237265 Bulgarian
0.03543271 Slovenian
0.03566924 Hungarian
0.03577579 Moldavian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.9207% / 0.03920668
41.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
7.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
2.0 Han

https://i.imgur.com/0mtUVje.png
Magyar and slavic stronk in you brother

[Chris596]

Magyar and slavic stronk in you brother

Thank you friend, now the picture is finally clear :) Turns out my ancestors really didn't mix too much (only with local people).

[Yamnaya]

Thank you friend, now the picture is finally clear :) Turns out my ancestors really didn't mix too much (only with local people).

Yes, i was about to say. I remember when you created your classification thread i said either youre mixed or youre a pure blood magyar, and its definetely the second

[Leto]

Magyar and slavic stronk in you brother
Hey brat, can you post your results from this one?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324319-Model-your-ancestry-with-The-another-G25-calculator

[Chris596]

Hey brat, can you post your results from this one?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?324319-Model-your-ancestry-with-The-another-G25-calculator

Hello, me or Yamnaya?

[Grace O'Malley]

Really interesting. Now I have so many questions. I've seen WHG so many times but what does it mean exactly? Also, what's up with Anatolia and Yamnaya? And Han means Han Chinese?

Please tell me your opinion and I'm open to every useful information and tips :)

Scaled results

Distance to: Chris_scaled
0.02392174 Montenegrin
0.02519419 Bosnian
0.02739376 Romanian
0.02778235 Serbian
0.03071410 Croatian
0.03140491 Macedonian
0.03237265 Bulgarian
0.03543271 Slovenian
0.03566924 Hungarian
0.03577579 Moldavian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.9207% / 0.03920668
41.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
7.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
2.0 Han

https://i.imgur.com/0mtUVje.png

It is a great resource and well worth the small payment. Will look forward to you on all the G25 threads.

[Leto]

Hello, me or Yamnaya?
Yamnaya (he is Russian so I'm especially interested in his results) but you are free to share yours as well.

[Chris596]

It is a great resource and well worth the small payment. Will look forward to you on all the G25 threads.


Yamnaya (he is Russian so I'm especially interested in his results) but you are free to share yours as well.

Thank you! :) I ran out of thumbs ups for today lol, I will post ,,The another G25'' results now.

[Aren]

For a more modern approach try

DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
RUS_Sunghir_MA,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078 ,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
MNG_Hovsgol_BA,0.0479808,-0.3330937,0.0813422,0.0202496,-0.0764165,-0.0283612,-0.0030188,-0.0044198,0.0013844,-0.0044858,-0.0187622,-0.0040002,0.0030076,-0.0199763,0.0061181,0.0018562,-0.0031092,9.6e-06,0.0020015,0.0126599,-0.0325482,0.0075238,-0.0082481,-0.0047087,0.0002211

Maybe also add Rome_Imperial if the fit is bad.

[Chris596]

For a more modern approach try

DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
RUS_Sunghir_MA,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078 ,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
MNG_Hovsgol_BA,0.0479808,-0.3330937,0.0813422,0.0202496,-0.0764165,-0.0283612,-0.0030188,-0.0044198,0.0013844,-0.0044858,-0.0187622,-0.0040002,0.0030076,-0.0199763,0.0061181,0.0018562,-0.0031092,9.6e-06,0.0020015,0.0126599,-0.0325482,0.0075238,-0.0082481,-0.0047087,0.0002211

Maybe also add Rome_Imperial if the fit is bad.

Thanks, I did it, actually the fit is quite good in my opinion. No German, again :icon_neutral:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.8630% / 0.02862998
49.8 RUS_Sunghir_MA
48.4 HRV_IA
1.8 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

I think I know what the rest means, I searched for Hovsgol, I assume it's a Mongolian sample? Then it makes sense.

[Aren]

Thanks, I did it, actually the fit is quite good in my opinion. No German, again :icon_neutral:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.8630% / 0.02862998
49.8 RUS_Sunghir_MA
48.4 HRV_IA
1.8 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

I think I know what the rest means, I searched for Hovsgol, I assume it's a Mongolian sample? Then it makes sense.

Yeah, but I doubt that you don't have any Germanic admix from the Middle Ages. Looking at your intial post with that high Yamnaya score and relatively good fit(which is rare for highly Slavic mixed people due to their genetic drift) I think you got this from your Germanic side. But there's something missing in your results, the fit is too high with such recent samples IMO. Try maybe other southern shifted samples instead of HRV_IA.

[17571imre]

Chris you might also want to try out this model i got the idea from Kaspias:


East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.021 5587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185


my results:
Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.7471% / 0.01747106
37.6 Slavic
31.8 East_Balkan
24.4 Germanic
4.0 West_Balkan
1.6 South_Balkan
0.6 Turkic

Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.8067% / 0.01806715 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 Slavic
31.2 East_Balkan
23.2 Germanic
11.8 West_Balkan

Mothers results:
Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.3622% / 0.02362247

53.8 Slavic
28.4 East_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.0 Turkic
1.2 South_Balkan

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.5401% / 0.02540054 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Slavic
43.8 East_Balkan
5.2 Germanic
0.4 Turkic

[Chris596]

Chris you might also want to try out this model i got the idea from Kaspias:


East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.021 5587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185


my results:
Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.7471% / 0.01747106
37.6 Slavic
31.8 East_Balkan
24.4 Germanic
4.0 West_Balkan
1.6 South_Balkan
0.6 Turkic

Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.8067% / 0.01806715 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 Slavic
31.2 East_Balkan
23.2 Germanic
11.8 West_Balkan

Mothers results:
Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.3622% / 0.02362247

53.8 Slavic
28.4 East_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.0 Turkic
1.2 South_Balkan

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.5401% / 0.02540054 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Slavic
43.8 East_Balkan
5.2 Germanic
0.4 Turkic

Alright my friend, here's what I get with this one:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.2511% / 0.02251131
49.2 Slavic
37.2 East_Balkan
10.8 South_Balkan
2.8 Turkic

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.3302% / 0.02330246 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA
42.2 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
7.0 East_Balkan:BGR_IA

Your mom gets much more Turkic than me on this one :)

[Gründig]

Yeah, but I doubt that you don't have any Germanic admix from the Middle Ages. Looking at your intial post with that high Yamnaya score and relatively good fit(which is rare for highly Slavic mixed people due to their genetic drift) I think you got this from your Germanic side. But there's something missing in your results, the fit is too high with such recent samples IMO. Try maybe other southern shifted samples instead of HRV_IA.

What’s a good fit for that model?

[Gründig]

Yeah, but I doubt that you don't have any Germanic admix from the Middle Ages. Looking at your intial post with that high Yamnaya score and relatively good fit(which is rare for highly Slavic mixed people due to their genetic drift) I think you got this from your Germanic side. But there's something missing in your results, the fit is too high with such recent samples IMO. Try maybe other southern shifted samples instead of HRV_IA.

What’s a good fit for that model?

[Aren]

What’s a good fit for that model?

Depends where your from. Anything below 4,5 is good for that model. Southern Euros can get under 3 too.

[Gründig]

Depends where your from. Anything below 4,5 is good for that model. Southern Euros can get under 3 too.

How could I tweak it to work best for a primarily German?

[Aren]

How could I tweak it to work best for a primarily German?

Double post

[Aren]

How could I tweak it to work best for a primarily German?

Nothing, you're not supposed to get a very tight fit using Neolithic populations.

Just use the regular
Steppe
Anatolia_N
WHG
and possibly some Eastern HG if you are partly east German.

[Ion Basescul]

https://i.imgur.com/0mtUVje.png

Congrats, we are really close on this PCA

https://i.imgur.com/D3ko4LO.png

[Chris596]

Congrats, we are really close on this PCA



Woow that's fricking awesome! :D I think we are also really similar genetically.

[Luke35]

Chris you might also want to try out this model i got the idea from Kaspias:


East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.021 5587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185


Bumping.

Imre's model is excellent:

Target: MrG_scaled
Distance: 1.6836% / 0.01683561
49.8 Germanic
26.6 East_Balkan
16.8 Slavic
6.8 West_Balkan


Also, Aren's model works for me I get a very good distance on that one:

Target: MrG_scaled
Distance: 1.8667% / 0.01866658
50.6 DEU_MA
29.2 HRV_IA
19.2 RUS_Sunghir_MA
1.0 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

Chris, what do you get on the Nurzat K12 Calculator?

[Chris596]

Bumping.

Chris, what do you get on the Nurzat K12 Calculator?

Yes it really works well :)

I just tried it. This one is also really good. I get some Near Eastern as well, maybe it's really in me, idk. In my case it's the best when ADC is turned off, or when it's at .25x at max. Because from then on, I get more and more Western European, to the point where I get modeled as 100% Western European, which is obviously impossible. But even 3% Western European ancestry is very much in my case (no kidding). Or not? :confused: Anyway here are my results:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9096% / 0.01909608
52.0 Eastern_European
26.4 Southern_European
17.8 Caucasian
2.0 East_Asian
1.6 Near_Eastern
0.2 Siberian

Starting from here, it becomes less and less realistic:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.0554% / 0.02055386 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Eastern_European
25.8 Southern_European
18.2 Caucasian
3.0 Western_European
1.2 East_Asian
0.4 Near_Eastern

What are your results here?

[17571imre]

Chris could you now try this model again with your official G25 coords im curious if there are any diffrences fom the Gedmatch method.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307347-My-new-MODERN-e-ANCIENT-MODELS-G25

[Chris596]

Chris could you now try this model again with your official G25 coords im curious if there are any diffrences fom the Gedmatch method.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307347-My-new-MODERN-e-ANCIENT-MODELS-G25

Of course brother. I post my results here:

MODERN MODEL FOR EASTERN EUROPEANS AND BALKANIC PEOPLE.(K9)

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9206% / 0.01920578
38.0 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Montenegrin
35.4 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Gagauz
13.8 West_Slavic:Slovakian
9.2 Eastern_Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
2.0 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Macedonian
1.6 Uralic:Nenets

As I expected. Only Slavic, from here and there and mostly South Slavic. I don't get Germanic, Hellenic, Jewish no matter what the ADC settings are. I don't get Turkic/Turkmen either, I never get it on any calculator if I reckon (Turkmen). Only Uralic which probably means that my Asian ancestry (not counting West Asia/Caucasus) is almost exclusively East Asian and maybe a bit of Siberian if I want to be honest and real.

CLASSIC AGE-EARLY MEDIEVAL MODEL FOR EUROPEANS.(K10)


Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.7503% / 0.01750321
48.0 Balto-Slavic:Belarusian
14.6 Anatolian-Caucasian-Armenian:Greek_Trabzon
14.2 Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
11.0 Roman:DEU_Roman
4.6 Hellenic-Balkanic:BGR_IA
3.6 Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak
3.4 Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.6 Hellenic-Balkanic:GRC_Mycenaean

Here it's a similar story but I get Turkic, Roman and Hellenic too.

A huge difference obviously, I don't get Romani which is impossible to get in my case and my Uralic is much higher. But I appreciate the efforts of gixajo.

[17571imre]

Of course brother. I post my results here:

MODERN MODEL FOR EASTERN EUROPEANS AND BALKANIC PEOPLE.(K9)

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9206% / 0.01920578
38.0 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Montenegrin
35.4 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Gagauz
13.8 West_Slavic:Slovakian
9.2 Eastern_Slavic:Russian_Smolensk
2.0 South_Slavs-Carpathic:Macedonian
1.6 Uralic:Nenets

As I expected. Only Slavic, from here and there and mostly South Slavic. I don't get Germanic, Hellenic, Jewish no matter what the ADC settings are. I don't get Turkic/Turkmen either, I never get it on any calculator if I reckon (Turkmen). Only Uralic which probably means that my Asian ancestry (not counting West Asia/Caucasus) is almost exclusively East Asian and maybe a bit of Siberian if I want to be honest and real.

CLASSIC AGE-EARLY MEDIEVAL MODEL FOR EUROPEANS.(K10)


Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.7503% / 0.01750321
48.0 Balto-Slavic:Belarusian
14.6 Anatolian-Caucasian-Armenian:Greek_Trabzon
14.2 Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA
11.0 Roman:DEU_Roman
4.6 Hellenic-Balkanic:BGR_IA
3.6 Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak
3.4 Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA
0.6 Hellenic-Balkanic:GRC_Mycenaean

Here it's a similar story but I get Turkic, Roman and Hellenic too.

A huge difference obviously, I don't get Romani which is impossible to get in my case and my Uralic is much higher. But I appreciate the efforts of gixajo.

very intresting my mother has the same because on FTDNA she gets 2% North East Asia but no Central Asian and she also gets 2.4 Han on her G25 coordinates. and almost on every calculator she scores Turkic.

[Chris596]

very intresting my mother has the same because on FTDNA she gets 2% North East Asia but no Central Asian and she also gets 2.4 Han on her G25 coordinates. and almost on every calculator she scores Turkic.

That's cool :D This is why I said that I got my looks on the ,,genetic lottery''. And some members told me that phenotype is probably more ,,durable'' in some cases than the genetics itself (Kaspias too).

WARNING - some of the pictures are a bit ,,weird'' I hope I don't get banned because of this https://brightside.me/wonder-people/20-people-who-won-the-genetic-lottery-794779/

I don't know if I can call this a ,,win'' or not lol, but it's definitely interesting.

[Luke35]

Yes it really works well :)

I just tried it. This one is also really good. I get some Near Eastern as well, maybe it's really in me, idk. In my case it's the best when ADC is turned off, or when it's at .25x at max. Because from then on, I get more and more Western European, to the point where I get modeled as 100% Western European, which is obviously impossible. But even 3% Western European ancestry is very much in my case (no kidding). Or not? :confused: Anyway here are my results:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 1.9096% / 0.01909608
52.0 Eastern_European
26.4 Southern_European
17.8 Caucasian
2.0 East_Asian
1.6 Near_Eastern
0.2 Siberian

Starting from here, it becomes less and less realistic:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.0554% / 0.02055386 | ADC: 0.25x
51.4 Eastern_European
25.8 Southern_European
18.2 Caucasian
3.0 Western_European
1.2 East_Asian
0.4 Near_Eastern

What are your results here?

Yes, at .25x my Western European jumps to 60%, which is the upper limit for me as far as accuracy, so NO ADC may be better for this calculator.

Target: MrG_scaled
Distance: 1.6924% / 0.01692440
50.6 Western_European
26.2 Eastern_European
10.8 Southern_European
7.0 Caucasian
4.0 Near_Eastern
1.2 Siberian
0.2 Papuan

My Caucasian, Near Eastern, Siberian are more or less at Hungarian levels. My Western European is double, and my Eastern European is 1/2. Makes perfect sense considering my ancestry, I think this is a very good calc.

Target: Hungarian (the G25 Hungarian average)
Distance: 1.0479% / 0.01047934
49.4 Eastern_European
24.0 Western_European
14.4 Southern_European
6.0 Caucasian
5.0 Near_Eastern
0.8 Siberian
0.2 American
0.2 Papuan


Your Caucasian % is thru the roof here, very interesting!

[Chris596]

Yes, at .25x my Western European jumps to 60%, which is the upper limit for me as far as accuracy, so NO ADC may be better for this calculator.

My Caucasian, Near Eastern, Siberian are more or less at Hungarian levels. My Western European is double, and my Eastern European is 1/2. Makes perfect sense considering my ancestry, I think this is a very good calc.

Your Caucasian % is thru the roof here, very interesting!

Thanks for sharing! It clearly models your ancestry as well so from this perspective you fit much better in the Anglo-Saxon countries than me (maybe any European can fit there more than me lol, except other Turkic or Nomadic, isolated groups of course).

Yes I do indeed get Caucasus/West Asia results, almost everywhere and no wonder why I get Adyghe, Georgian, Armenian even on G25. I think this is clear evidence that I really have ancestry from that region as well. Maybe I also had assimilated Armenian ancestors on my Szekely side? (this is a theoretical question but it's highly possible imo). What do you think (other members too) ?

[Chris596]

I got it! I cracked the code!

Having Caucasian ancestry (along with original Szekely) would explain why I have virtually no Germanic ancestry? :eek:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CS7j5I6aOc

[Luke35]

Thanks for sharing! It clearly models your ancestry as well so from this perspective you fit much better in the Anglo-Saxon countries than me (maybe any European can fit there more than me lol, except other Turkic or Nomadic, isolated groups of course).

Yes I do indeed get Caucasus/West Asia results, almost everywhere and no wonder why I get Adyghe, Georgian, Armenian even on G25. I think this is clear evidence that I really have ancestry from that region as well. Maybe I also had assimilated Armenian ancestors on my Szekely side? (this is a theoretical question but it's highly possible imo). What do you think (other members too) ?

I plugged Serbian into the Nurzat calculator:

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.7279% / 0.01727943
50.6 Eastern_European
27.2 Southern_European
15.8 Caucasian
5.8 Near_Eastern
0.4 American
0.2 Papuan

Not quite as high as yours, and missing the East Asian as expected, but on Nurzat calculator high Caucasian my be associated with Balkanic ancestry, although I can usually be modeled as significantly Balkanic and I don't have elevated Caucasian here.

So you have high Caucasian and no measurable German on G25, is this due to old Armenian admixture? I really have no idea.

[Chris596]

I plugged Serbian into the Nurzat calculator:

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.7279% / 0.01727943
50.6 Eastern_European
27.2 Southern_European
15.8 Caucasian
5.8 Near_Eastern
0.4 American
0.2 Papuan

Not quite as high as yours, and missing the East Asian as expected, but on Nurzat calculator high Caucasian my be associated with Balkanic ancestry, although I can usually be modeled as significantly Balkanic and I don't have elevated Caucasian here.

So you have high Caucasian and no measurable German on G25, is this due to old Armenian admixture? I really have no idea.

I really don't know my friend, but I strongly suspect that it is caused by this. At least I don't know any other logical explanation for this, especially since I'm only half Szekler. It would be good to hear/read other opinions as well. You have seen it for yourself, almost every calculator, G25, GEDmatch, Admixture Studio, every commercial DNA testing website, etc. says that I have some West Asian/Caucasian ancestry. Most of the time between 5-12%, even the G25 Myheritage calculator says I have more than 11% West Asian ancestry, on yourDNAportal there's a calculator which says I am 10% Armenian so I really don't know. I don't think I would get such results out of nothing so it's not a coincidence.

Also, I realised, maybe that 7.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N is a West-Asian like component (in the model of Davidski), Turkish, Azeri, etc members get the most of it so it must be West-Asian.

[IrisSelene]

Interesting! Did you do the phenotype calc? hahah just for fun

[Chris596]

Interesting! Did you do the phenotype calc? hahah just for fun

Thanks! :) I will do it soon.

[Chris596]

Interesting! Did you do the phenotype calc? hahah just for fun

I seem to inherit the things which have the slightest chance of appearing lol. But is there any reason behind this? And Bantuid before South-Sinid?? How is this possible? :)

Unscaled Phenotype Feiichy G25 Calculator

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1671% / 0.01167133
42.6 Neo-Danubian
17.6 Gracile_Med
16.4 Armenid
10.4 North_Pontid
8.2 Pontid
2.8 Bantuid.
1.4 South_Sinid
0.4 Paleo-Mongoloid
0.2 Mtebid

[paradox]

I seem to inherit the things which have the slightest chance of appearing lol. But is there any reason behind this? And Bantuid before South-Sinid?? How is this possible? :)

Unscaled Phenotype Feiichy G25 Calculator

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.1671% / 0.01167133
42.6Neo-Danubian
17.6Gracile_Med
16.4Armenid
10.4North_Pontid
8.2Pontid
2.8Bantuid.
1.4South_Sinid
0.4Paleo-Mongoloid
0.2MtebidHi, The 0x function doesn't necessarily give the best results. Try all functions and choose the results that seem most reasonable to you.

[Chris596]

Hi, The 0x function doesn't necessarily give the best results. Try all functions and choose the results that seem most reasonable to you.

Thanks!

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.5406% / 0.01540565 | ADC: 1x
99.4 Pontid
0.6 South-Sinid

Sooo I guess it's right since I'm somewhat a mixture of both?

[paradox]

Thanks!

Target: Chris
Distance: 1.5406% / 0.01540565 | ADC: 1x
99.4Pontid
0.6South-Sinid

Sooo I guess it's right since I'm somewhat a mixture of both?You'd know better than me [emoji4]