View Full Version : IBS / IBS SC Asian distances
I was requested by a couple of people to run some SC Asians using Plink IBS/IBD program. I'll be posting results here as they become available.
1st is a Pakistani Pashtun (not sure what tribe). 1st table sorted by IBS distances with common alleles shared by Africans, Europeans, Asians filtered out of the analysis.
Here we see closest to other Pashtuns followed by Kurds, Punjabis, and other SC Asians. The next tables I post for this sample will be sorted by IBD to get an idea of more recent admixture.
Unlike the Admixture calculators on Vahaduo SSA Africans are here at the bottom of the table where they should be. Don't take Devil-Gate, Yamnaya and Botai distances seriously since they are haploid samples whereas everything else in the table is diploid. Had they been diploid they would have been higher in the table like EEF
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9432
0
0.0568
0.0568
0.810467
0.4006
1.9811
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.810221
0.4058
1.9822
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.809777
0.0031
1.8076
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
1
0
0
0
0.809589
0.0854
1.9002
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80946
0.1465
1.923
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9515
0
0.0485
0.0485
0.809232
0.1293
1.9164
Pashtun_Pak1
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.809077
0
1.672
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.809073
0.0004
1.7656
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
1
0
0
0
0.809044
0.0706
1.893
Pashtun_Pak1
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.809023
0.0194
1.8523
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.808846
0.0109
1.837
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.808655
0
1.7105
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.808481
0.039
1.8725
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.808474
0.0001
1.7359
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.808427
0.0367
1.8703
Pashtun_Pak1
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
1
0
0
0
0.808247
0.0476
1.8786
Pashtun_Pak1
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.808218
0.0198
1.8528
Pashtun_Pak1
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.808149
0
1.7114
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.808088
0.0102
1.835
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.808037
0.0014
1.7902
Pashtun_Pak1
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1
0
0
0
0.80803
0.0095
1.8326
Pashtun_Pak1
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.808001
0.0413
1.8745
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.807893
0.0065
1.8237
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807806
0.1017
1.9078
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.807759
0.0152
1.8449
Pashtun_Pak1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.807741
0.0049
1.8179
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80751
0.0015
1.7906
Pashtun_Pak1
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807489
0.0043
1.8142
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1
0
0
0
0.807464
0.0049
1.8171
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.807435
0.0057
1.8204
Pashtun_Pak1
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.807427
0.0582
1.8853
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
0.9595
0
0.0405
0.0405
0.807417
0.3958
1.9802
Pashtun_Pak1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.807204
0.0031
1.8066
Pashtun_Pak1
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1
0
0
0
0.807106
0
1.5995
Pashtun_Pak1
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807085
0.0564
1.8848
Pashtun_Pak1
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
1
0
0
0
0.806716
0.0043
1.8128
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.806644
0.0014
1.7887
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.806623
0.0015
1.7928
Pashtun_Pak1
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.806568
0
1.5127
Pashtun_Pak1
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.806334
0
1.5459
Pashtun_Pak1
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.806323
0.0001
1.7461
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806207
0.0194
1.8516
Pashtun_Pak1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.806146
0.0015
1.7912
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.806135
0.0001
1.7354
Pashtun_Pak1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.806117
0.0007
1.7757
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806088
0
1.5763
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.806023
0
1.5
Pashtun_Pak1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80598
0.0003
1.7628
Pashtun_Pak1
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.805756
0
1.4872
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.805641
0.002
1.7982
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.805608
0.0445
1.8767
Pashtun_Pak1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.805529
0
1.6031
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.805507
0.0141
1.8435
Pashtun_Pak1
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80502
0
1.6934
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.804876
0
1.6622
Pashtun_Pak1
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.804637
0
1.7038
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.804627
0
1.6834
Pashtun_Pak1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.8045
0.0038
1.812
Pashtun_Pak1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80441
0
1.5518
Pashtun_Pak1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80411
0.0003
1.7628
Pashtun_Pak1
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.8041
0
1.7045
Pashtun_Pak1
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.804089
0
1.7307
Pashtun_Pak1
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.803905
0.0025
1.8035
Pashtun_Pak1
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.803829
0
1.7194
Pashtun_Pak1
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.803652
0
1.4019
Pashtun_Pak1
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.803201
0.0002
1.7563
Pashtun_Pak1
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.803111
0
1.6871
Pashtun_Pak1
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.803042
0
1.6809
Pashtun_Pak1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.802999
0
1.2769
Pashtun_Pak1
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.802883
0
1.3872
Pashtun_Pak1
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.802457
0
1.2362
Pashtun_Pak1
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.802244
0
1.2629
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.802086
0
1.305
Pashtun_Pak1
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.801999
0
1.2702
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.801732
0
1.2518
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.801616
0
1.6577
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.801562
0
1.1964
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.801544
0
1.2768
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.801515
0
1.2175
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.8014
0
1.1772
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.801291
0
1.1821
Pashtun_Pak1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.801208
0
1.5903
Pashtun_Pak1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.800876
0
1.3948
Pashtun_Pak1
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.80071
0
1.463
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.800667
0
1.2622
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.80066
0
1.2324
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.800609
0
1.598
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.800494
0
1.5521
Pashtun_Pak1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.799516
0
1.1807
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.799292
0
1.1788
Pashtun_Pak1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.798992
0
1.1613
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.797198
0
0.7109
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.796711
0
0.6996
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.795899
0
0.7547
Pashtun_Pak1
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.791885
0
0.8305
Pashtun_Pak1
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
1
0
0
0
0.780949
0
0
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
BI16
1
0
0
0
0.780126
0
0
Pashtun_Pak1
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
1
0
0
0
0.779584
0
0
Pashtun_Pak1
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.77513
0
1.0688
Pashtun_Pak1
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1
0
0
0
0.774899
0
0
Pashtun_Pak1
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1
0
0
0
0.774257
0
0
Pashtun_Pak1
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.768901
0
1.1791
Pashtun_Pak1
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.768821
0
1.0953
Pashtun_Pak1
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.758163
0
0.916
Pashtun_Pak1
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.757098
0
0.9165
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-1.DG
1
0
0
0
0.755557
0
0.9133
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-2.DG
1
0
0
0
0.753875
0
0.8485
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
B_Yoruba-3.DG
1
0
0
0
0.753207
0
0.8461
Pashtun_Pak1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.752384
0
0.6856
Pashtun_Pak1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.750197
0
0.6287
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This table for the same sample is sorted by short segment IBD to give an idea of more recent admixture
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.810221
0.4058
1.9822
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9432
0
0.0568
0.0568
0.810467
0.4006
1.9811
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
0.9595
0
0.0405
0.0405
0.807417
0.3958
1.9802
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80946
0.1465
1.923
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9515
0
0.0485
0.0485
0.809232
0.1293
1.9164
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807806
0.1017
1.9078
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
1
0
0
0
0.809589
0.0854
1.9002
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
1
0
0
0
0.809044
0.0706
1.893
Pashtun_Pak1
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.807427
0.0582
1.8853
Pashtun_Pak1
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807085
0.0564
1.8848
Pashtun_Pak1
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
1
0
0
0
0.808247
0.0476
1.8786
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.805608
0.0445
1.8767
Pashtun_Pak1
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.808001
0.0413
1.8745
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.808481
0.039
1.8725
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.808427
0.0367
1.8703
Pashtun_Pak1
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.808218
0.0198
1.8528
Pashtun_Pak1
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.809023
0.0194
1.8523
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806207
0.0194
1.8516
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.807759
0.0152
1.8449
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.805507
0.0141
1.8435
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.808846
0.0109
1.837
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.808088
0.0102
1.835
Pashtun_Pak1
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1
0
0
0
0.80803
0.0095
1.8326
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.807893
0.0065
1.8237
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.807435
0.0057
1.8204
Pashtun_Pak1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.807741
0.0049
1.8179
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1
0
0
0
0.807464
0.0049
1.8171
Pashtun_Pak1
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.807489
0.0043
1.8142
Pashtun_Pak1
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
1
0
0
0
0.806716
0.0043
1.8128
Pashtun_Pak1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.8045
0.0038
1.812
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.809777
0.0031
1.8076
Pashtun_Pak1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.807204
0.0031
1.8066
Pashtun_Pak1
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.803905
0.0025
1.8035
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.805641
0.002
1.7982
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.806623
0.0015
1.7928
Pashtun_Pak1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.806146
0.0015
1.7912
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80751
0.0015
1.7906
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.808037
0.0014
1.7902
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.806644
0.0014
1.7887
Pashtun_Pak1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.806117
0.0007
1.7757
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.809073
0.0004
1.7656
Pashtun_Pak1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80598
0.0003
1.7628
Pashtun_Pak1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80411
0.0003
1.7628
Pashtun_Pak1
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.803201
0.0002
1.7563
Pashtun_Pak1
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.806323
0.0001
1.7461
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.808474
0.0001
1.7359
Pashtun_Pak1
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.806135
0.0001
1.7354
Pashtun_Pak1
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.804089
0
1.7307
Pashtun_Pak1
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.803829
0
1.7194
Pashtun_Pak1
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.808149
0
1.7114
Pashtun_Pak1
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.808655
0
1.7105
Pashtun_Pak1
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.8041
0
1.7045
Pashtun_Pak1
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.804637
0
1.7038
Pashtun_Pak1
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80502
0
1.6934
Pashtun_Pak1
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.803111
0
1.6871
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.804627
0
1.6834
Pashtun_Pak1
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.803042
0
1.6809
Pashtun_Pak1
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.809077
0
1.672
Pashtun_Pak1
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.804876
0
1.6622
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.801616
0
1.6577
Pashtun_Pak1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.805529
0
1.6031
Pashtun_Pak1
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1
0
0
0
0.807106
0
1.5995
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.800609
0
1.598
Pashtun_Pak1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.801208
0
1.5903
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806088
0
1.5763
Pashtun_Pak1
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.800494
0
1.5521
Pashtun_Pak1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80441
0
1.5518
Pashtun_Pak1
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.806334
0
1.5459
Pashtun_Pak1
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.806568
0
1.5127
Pashtun_Pak1
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.806023
0
1.5
Pashtun_Pak1
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.805756
0
1.4872
Pashtun_Pak1
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.80071
0
1.463
Pashtun_Pak1
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.803652
0
1.4019
Pashtun_Pak1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.800876
0
1.3948
Pashtun_Pak1
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.802883
0
1.3872
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.802086
0
1.305
Pashtun_Pak1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.802999
0
1.2769
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.801544
0
1.2768
Pashtun_Pak1
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.801999
0
1.2702
Pashtun_Pak1
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.802244
0
1.2629
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.800667
0
1.2622
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.801732
0
1.2518
Pashtun_Pak1
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.802457
0
1.2362
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.80066
0
1.2324
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.801515
0
1.2175
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.801562
0
1.1964
Pashtun_Pak1
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.801291
0
1.1821
Pashtun_Pak1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.799516
0
1.1807
Pashtun_Pak1
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.768901
0
1.1791
Pashtun_Pak1
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.799292
0
1.1788
Pashtun_Pak1
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.8014
0
1.1772
Pashtun_Pak1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.798992
0
1.1613
Pashtun_Pak1
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.768821
0
1.0953
Pashtun_Pak1
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.77513
0
1.0688
Pashtun_Pak1
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.757098
0
0.9165
Pashtun_Pak1
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.758163
0
0.916
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-1.DG
1
0
0
0
0.755557
0
0.9133
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
S_Yoruba-2.DG
1
0
0
0
0.753875
0
0.8485
Pashtun_Pak1
Yoruba.DG
B_Yoruba-3.DG
1
0
0
0
0.753207
0
0.8461
Pashtun_Pak1
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.791885
0
0.8305
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.795899
0
0.7547
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.797198
0
0.7109
Pashtun_Pak1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.796711
0
0.6996
Pashtun_Pak1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.752384
0
0.6856
Pashtun_Pak1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.750197
0
0.6287
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This one is sorted by Pi-Hat to give an idea of more recent admixture than the previous table. Looks like some Iranic more recent admixture. 0 values are not posted
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9432
0
0.0568
0.0568
0.810467
0.4006
1.9811
Pashtun_Pak1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.810221
0.4058
1.9822
Pashtun_Pak1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9515
0
0.0485
0.0485
0.809232
0.1293
1.9164
Pashtun_Pak1
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
0.9595
0
0.0405
0.0405
0.807417
0.3958
1.9802
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Dr_Maul
07-05-2020, 03:22 AM
If possible, I think it would be helpful if the ‘iranian’ samples would be a bit more specific. I highly doubt some of them are ethnic Persians or native Iranics if they are farther away to Pashtuns than Finns and Uyghurs...
If possible, I think it would be helpful if the ‘iranian’ samples would be a bit more specific. I highly doubt some of them are ethnic Persians or native Iranics if they are farther away to Pashtuns than Finns and Uyghurs...
Ok I'll dig up their location info and post shortly. I also noticed that the next Pashtun sample I'm about to post has a very different profile than the one just posted.
Here are distances for another Pashtun sample. This one has quite a different profile than the previous one. The Iranian samples say "Iran migrants sampled in Kuwait" which indicates that they could be Southern Iranians and if this is the case their lower steppe and E Eurasian combined with their higher SSA would make them more distant from Pashtuns.
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
0.9518
0
0.0482
0.0482
0.811567
0.7784
2.0589
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.9426
0
0.0574
0.0574
0.811405
0.3812
1.9773
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9297
0.0476
0.0226
0.0464
0.810972
0.957
2.1359
Pashtun_Pak2
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.810972
0.0153
1.8453
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.810777
0.1822
1.9339
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.96
0
0.04
0.04
0.81042
0.6568
2.0309
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.810344
0.006
1.8224
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.810236
0.0174
1.8489
Pashtun_Pak2
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1
0
0
0
0.81021
0
1.6644
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9599
0.0022
0.0379
0.039
0.810192
0.3189
1.9645
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.81016
0.2135
1.9411
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9572
0
0.0428
0.0428
0.810131
0.6425
2.0278
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.80986
0.0013
1.7882
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.9437
0
0.0563
0.0563
0.809438
0.1133
1.9113
Pashtun_Pak2
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.809301
0.2824
1.9574
Pashtun_Pak2
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.9552
0
0.0448
0.0448
0.809293
0.8363
2.0757
Pashtun_Pak2
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.809254
0
1.7116
Pashtun_Pak2
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.809062
0
1.6513
Pashtun_Pak2
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.808965
0.2815
1.957
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.80881
0.0959
1.9048
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.808723
0.633
2.0259
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
1
0
0
0
0.808712
0.1022
1.9073
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.95
0
0.05
0.05
0.808651
0.0732
1.8938
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.808582
0.0171
1.8478
Pashtun_Pak2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.808579
0.3535
1.972
Pashtun_Pak2
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.808341
0.1251
1.9153
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
0.9562
0
0.0438
0.0438
0.808308
0.0142
1.8423
Pashtun_Pak2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.808301
0.0003
1.7624
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1
0
0
0
0.80824
0.2106
1.9405
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80816
0.0305
1.865
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.807907
0.0113
1.8369
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.9649
0
0.0351
0.0351
0.8079
0.0852
1.9
Pashtun_Pak2
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807792
0.0047
1.8152
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.807781
0.4254
1.9859
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.807778
0.0032
1.8076
Pashtun_Pak2
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.807695
0
1.5774
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.807543
0.0007
1.7765
Pashtun_Pak2
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807525
0.0008
1.7797
Pashtun_Pak2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.807431
0.0062
1.8225
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.807366
0.0952
1.9042
Pashtun_Pak2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.807334
0
1.6468
Pashtun_Pak2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.80733
0.0005
1.7692
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807258
0.0364
1.8698
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806976
0
1.6721
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.806792
0
1.7151
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.806604
0.0313
1.8657
Pashtun_Pak2
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.806561
0.0086
1.831
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.806316
0.1173
1.9133
Pashtun_Pak2
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.805904
0.0199
1.852
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.805879
0.1786
1.9319
Pashtun_Pak2
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.805814
0
1.7288
Pashtun_Pak2
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.805579
0
1.473
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.805511
0
1.5377
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.805229
0
1.6229
Pashtun_Pak2
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.805229
0.0024
1.8016
Pashtun_Pak2
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.805222
0
1.4754
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.805121
0
1.5096
Pashtun_Pak2
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.805107
0
1.7307
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.805063
0.0005
1.7703
Pashtun_Pak2
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1
0
0
0
0.805056
0.0002
1.7531
Pashtun_Pak2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.804941
0.0016
1.7914
Pashtun_Pak2
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80493
0.0764
1.8962
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.804923
0.078
1.8968
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.80485
0.0035
1.8096
Pashtun_Pak2
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.804637
0.0072
1.8267
Pashtun_Pak2
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.804432
0.0002
1.7553
Pashtun_Pak2
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.803883
0
1.3436
Pashtun_Pak2
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.803699
0
1.3533
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.803555
0
1.2334
Pashtun_Pak2
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.803518
0.0001
1.7387
Pashtun_Pak2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.803461
0
1.7139
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.803215
0
1.5608
Pashtun_Pak2
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.803201
0
1.6748
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.80319
0
1.248
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.803168
0
1.6591
Pashtun_Pak2
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.803017
0
1.3301
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.802901
0
1.2916
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.802782
0
1.723
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.802533
0
1.2244
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.802309
0
1.2554
Pashtun_Pak2
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.802306
0
1.305
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.801912
0
1.2219
Pashtun_Pak2
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.801894
0
1.5012
Pashtun_Pak2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.801634
0
1.1581
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.801515
0
1.2629
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.801476
0
1.2739
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.801245
0
1.2345
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.80123
0
1.161
Pashtun_Pak2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.801068
0
1.2728
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.800281
0
1.2635
Pashtun_Pak2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.800263
0
1.3904
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.799169
0
0.7316
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.798711
0
0.707
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.797516
0
0.7587
Pashtun_Pak2
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.792282
0
0.8571
Pashtun_Pak2
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
1
0
0
0
0.781945
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
BI16
1
0
0
0
0.78022
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
1
0
0
0
0.779274
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.776184
0
1.129
Pashtun_Pak2
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1
0
0
0
0.775795
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1
0
0
0
0.774163
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.767998
0
1.1538
Pashtun_Pak2
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.76789
0
1.1806
Pashtun_Pak2
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.75773
0
0.9435
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1
0
0
0
0.755297
0
0.917
Pashtun_Pak2
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.754831
0
0.9275
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1
0
0
0
0.754268
0
0.9238
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1
0
0
0
0.752907
0
0.8586
Pashtun_Pak2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.7525
0
0.6715
Pashtun_Pak2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.751085
0
0.6615
</tbody>
This table is sorted by short segment IBD for a little more recent admixture
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9297
0.0476
0.0226
0.0464
0.810972
0.957
2.1359
Pashtun_Pak2
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.9552
0
0.0448
0.0448
0.809293
0.8363
2.0757
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
0.9518
0
0.0482
0.0482
0.811567
0.7784
2.0589
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.96
0
0.04
0.04
0.81042
0.6568
2.0309
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9572
0
0.0428
0.0428
0.810131
0.6425
2.0278
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.808723
0.633
2.0259
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.807781
0.4254
1.9859
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.9426
0
0.0574
0.0574
0.811405
0.3812
1.9773
Pashtun_Pak2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.808579
0.3535
1.972
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9599
0.0022
0.0379
0.039
0.810192
0.3189
1.9645
Pashtun_Pak2
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.809301
0.2824
1.9574
Pashtun_Pak2
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.808965
0.2815
1.957
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.81016
0.2135
1.9411
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1
0
0
0
0.80824
0.2106
1.9405
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.810777
0.1822
1.9339
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.805879
0.1786
1.9319
Pashtun_Pak2
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.808341
0.1251
1.9153
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.806316
0.1173
1.9133
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.9437
0
0.0563
0.0563
0.809438
0.1133
1.9113
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
1
0
0
0
0.808712
0.1022
1.9073
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.80881
0.0959
1.9048
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.807366
0.0952
1.9042
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.9649
0
0.0351
0.0351
0.8079
0.0852
1.9
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.804923
0.078
1.8968
Pashtun_Pak2
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80493
0.0764
1.8962
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.95
0
0.05
0.05
0.808651
0.0732
1.8938
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807258
0.0364
1.8698
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.806604
0.0313
1.8657
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80816
0.0305
1.865
Pashtun_Pak2
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.805904
0.0199
1.852
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.810236
0.0174
1.8489
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.808582
0.0171
1.8478
Pashtun_Pak2
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.810972
0.0153
1.8453
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
0.9562
0
0.0438
0.0438
0.808308
0.0142
1.8423
Pashtun_Pak2
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.807907
0.0113
1.8369
Pashtun_Pak2
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.806561
0.0086
1.831
Pashtun_Pak2
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.804637
0.0072
1.8267
Pashtun_Pak2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.807431
0.0062
1.8225
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.810344
0.006
1.8224
Pashtun_Pak2
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807792
0.0047
1.8152
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.80485
0.0035
1.8096
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.807778
0.0032
1.8076
Pashtun_Pak2
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.805229
0.0024
1.8016
Pashtun_Pak2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.804941
0.0016
1.7914
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.80986
0.0013
1.7882
Pashtun_Pak2
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.807525
0.0008
1.7797
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.807543
0.0007
1.7765
Pashtun_Pak2
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.805063
0.0005
1.7703
Pashtun_Pak2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.80733
0.0005
1.7692
Pashtun_Pak2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.808301
0.0003
1.7624
Pashtun_Pak2
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.804432
0.0002
1.7553
Pashtun_Pak2
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1
0
0
0
0.805056
0.0002
1.7531
Pashtun_Pak2
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.803518
0.0001
1.7387
Pashtun_Pak2
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.805107
0
1.7307
Pashtun_Pak2
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.805814
0
1.7288
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.802782
0
1.723
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.806792
0
1.7151
Pashtun_Pak2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.803461
0
1.7139
Pashtun_Pak2
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.809254
0
1.7116
Pashtun_Pak2
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.803201
0
1.6748
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.806976
0
1.6721
Pashtun_Pak2
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1
0
0
0
0.81021
0
1.6644
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.803168
0
1.6591
Pashtun_Pak2
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.809062
0
1.6513
Pashtun_Pak2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.807334
0
1.6468
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.805229
0
1.6229
Pashtun_Pak2
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.807695
0
1.5774
Pashtun_Pak2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.803215
0
1.5608
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.805511
0
1.5377
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.805121
0
1.5096
Pashtun_Pak2
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.801894
0
1.5012
Pashtun_Pak2
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.805222
0
1.4754
Pashtun_Pak2
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.805579
0
1.473
Pashtun_Pak2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.800263
0
1.3904
Pashtun_Pak2
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.803699
0
1.3533
Pashtun_Pak2
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.803883
0
1.3436
Pashtun_Pak2
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.803017
0
1.3301
Pashtun_Pak2
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.802306
0
1.305
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.802901
0
1.2916
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.801476
0
1.2739
Pashtun_Pak2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.801068
0
1.2728
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.800281
0
1.2635
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.801515
0
1.2629
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.802309
0
1.2554
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.80319
0
1.248
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.801245
0
1.2345
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.803555
0
1.2334
Pashtun_Pak2
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.802533
0
1.2244
Pashtun_Pak2
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.801912
0
1.2219
Pashtun_Pak2
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.76789
0
1.1806
Pashtun_Pak2
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.80123
0
1.161
Pashtun_Pak2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.801634
0
1.1581
Pashtun_Pak2
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.767998
0
1.1538
Pashtun_Pak2
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.776184
0
1.129
Pashtun_Pak2
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.75773
0
0.9435
Pashtun_Pak2
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.754831
0
0.9275
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1
0
0
0
0.754268
0
0.9238
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1
0
0
0
0.755297
0
0.917
Pashtun_Pak2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1
0
0
0
0.752907
0
0.8586
Pashtun_Pak2
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.792282
0
0.8571
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.797516
0
0.7587
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.799169
0
0.7316
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.798711
0
0.707
Pashtun_Pak2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.7525
0
0.6715
Pashtun_Pak2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.751085
0
0.6615
Pashtun_Pak2
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
1
0
0
0
0.781945
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Karitiana
BI16
1
0
0
0
0.78022
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
1
0
0
0
0.779274
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1
0
0
0
0.775795
0
0
Pashtun_Pak2
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1
0
0
0
0.774163
0
0
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This table is sorted by Pi-Hat for a little more recent IBD than the previous table. 0 values not posted
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FID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.941
0
0.059
0.059
0.809907
0.6842
2.0368
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
0.9426
0
0.0574
0.0574
0.811405
0.3812
1.9773
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.9437
0
0.0563
0.0563
0.809438
0.1133
1.9113
Pashtun_Pak2
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.946
0
0.054
0.054
0.81016
0.2135
1.9411
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
0.95
0
0.05
0.05
0.808651
0.0732
1.8938
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
0.9518
0
0.0482
0.0482
0.811567
0.7784
2.0589
Pashtun_Pak2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9297
0.0476
0.0226
0.0464
0.810972
0.957
2.1359
Pashtun_Pak2
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.9552
0
0.0448
0.0448
0.809293
0.8363
2.0757
Pashtun_Pak2
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
0.9562
0
0.0438
0.0438
0.808308
0.0142
1.8423
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9572
0
0.0428
0.0428
0.810131
0.6425
2.0278
Pashtun_Pak2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.96
0
0.04
0.04
0.81042
0.6568
2.0309
Pashtun_Pak2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.9599
0.0022
0.0379
0.039
0.810192
0.3189
1.9645
Pashtun_Pak2
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.9649
0
0.0351
0.0351
0.8079
0.0852
1.9
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henry007
07-05-2020, 10:59 AM
Honestly, im not gonna go by this if it points out of pashtuns being as close to west asians as to some pak pashtuns and even closer to west asians than some balochs or pashtuns.
I cant see the reason why, if pashtuns are a result of steppe iranics mixed with indus farmers of southern afghanistan, would be closer to kurds than to kalashis or even nw south asian punjabis(not a lot closer though to the punjabis), since kurds are a result of native ancient west asians(iranian neolithics and iranian chalcolithic + less steppe ancestry, with much lower south east eurasian admix compared to pashtuns), while as punjabis and kalashis are results of steppe aryans mixed with native farmers as well(though in varying degrees)?
Honestly, im not gonna go by this if it points out of pashtuns being as close to west asians as to some pak pashtuns and even closer to west asians than some balochs or pashtuns.
The results have to be considered in combination with formal methods such as dstats, qpWave, qpAdm. Personally I prefer formal methods.
There is a good explanation why Baloch/Brahui are not showing up higher in BOTH the Kurdish results and the Pashtun results. Reason is Baloch/Brahui are very drifted due to isolation. Just like Kalash.
Here is a simple explanation of genetic drift. If we were to send 20% of the Kurds from some town to an uninhabited island where they can't mix with anyone from outside the island and do DNA test of the 80% of the Kurds in the town and the 20% on the island after 2000 years from now their DNA will be quite different even if those island Kurds didn't mix with anyone. If you were to use admixture calculator on them you would think they are totally different from Kurds.
Here is a great article that describes how ADMIXTURE results can fool alot of people and show different results because of drift.
"A tutorial on how not to over-interpret STRUCTURE and ADMIXTURE bar plots"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05257-7
(https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05257-7)
I CAN PROVE TO YOU THAT BALOCH/BRAHUI ARE NOT HIGH ON THE KURD AND PASHTUN LIST BECAUSE OF THEIR ISOLATION CAUSING GENETIC DRIFT (FOUNDER EFFECT/BOTTLENECK).
CHECK THE RESULTS OUT FOR THIS BRAHUI ACADEMIC SAMPLE FROM THE ABOVE TABLES.
Sorted by distance. Now you see that Kurds and Pashtuns are highest on their list. They are not highest on Kurd and Pashtun list because of their DRIFT.
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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DISTANCE
PPC
RATIO
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80973
0.1543
1.93
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80930
0.0054
1.82
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.80890
0.0088
1.83
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.80888
0.0109
1.84
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
1
0
0
0
0.80884
0.0654
1.89
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.80873
0.0259
1.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1
0
0
0
0.80828
0.1346
1.92
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80824
0.2106
1.94
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
1
0
0
0
0.80820
0.6091
2.02
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80803
0.0095
1.83
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80802
0
1.68
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.80797
0.0004
1.77
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.80783
0.0011
1.79
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.80777
0.0071
1.83
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.80750
0.0529
1.88
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.80720
0.0216
1.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
1
0
0
0
0.80720
0.0005
1.77
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80706
0.0195
1.85
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.80694
0.0261
1.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
1
0
0
0
0.80674
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.80670
0
1.58
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80664
0.0214
1.85
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.80660
0.0001
1.74
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80657
0.0012
1.79
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.80657
0.0028
1.80
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80642
0.001
1.78
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.80637
0.0267
1.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80627
0.0001
1.74
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80626
0.0222
1.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
1
0
0
0
0.80625
0.0002
1.75
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.80619
0
1.50
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80612
0.0745
1.90
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80612
0
1.69
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.80588
0
1.49
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.80575
0.0006
1.78
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd_Yazidi
Kurd_Yazidi
1
0
0
0
0.80564
0.0003
1.76
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.80560
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80542
0
1.59
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
1
0
0
0
0.80540
0
1.53
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1
0
0
0
0.80518
0.0031
1.81
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80514
0.0004
1.77
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80513
0.0021
1.80
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.80508
0
1.63
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.80505
0.0045
1.81
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80493
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.80485
0
1.61
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.80473
0
1.69
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.80468
0
1.41
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80459
0
1.73
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80457
0
1.40
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80456
0
1.72
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80424
0
1.63
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80418
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.80415
0
1.37
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.80414
0
1.69
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.80410
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.80391
0.0001
1.74
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80380
0
1.71
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80369
0
1.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80360
0
1.68
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.80339
0
1.69
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80312
0
1.69
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.80300
0
1.67
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.80295
0
1.72
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.80287
0
1.67
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.80262
0
1.19
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80262
0
1.71
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.80247
0
1.67
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80223
0
1.64
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.80221
0
1.56
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80218
0.0009
1.78
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80168
0.0001
1.73
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80149
0
1.57
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.80132
0
1.66
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80114
0
1.49
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80076
0
1.53
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.80067
0
1.22
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.79984
0
1.47
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.79969
0
1.16
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.79957
0
1.34
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.79944
0
1.23
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.79936
0
1.19
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.79922
0
1.23
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.79910
0
1.17
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.79870
0
1.14
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.79855
0
1.18
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.79838
0
1.15
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.79825
0
1.12
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.79819
0
1.18
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.79812
0
1.19
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.79795
0
1.03
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.79790
0
1.17
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.79727
0
1.13
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.79719
0
1.10
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.79457
0
0.67
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.79396
0
0.72
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.79365
0
0.65
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.78938
0
0.81
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Tajik
Tadjik.SG
1
0
0
0
0.78159
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
1
0
0
0
0.77816
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Karitiana
BI16
1
0
0
0
0.77813
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
1
0
0
0
0.77788
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.77508
0
1.07
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1
0
0
0
0.77296
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1
0
0
0
0.77143
0
0.00
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.76985
0
1.19
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.76766
0
1.12
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.75678
0
0.95
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.75488
0
0.88
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1
0
0
0
0.75432
0
0.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1
0
0
0
0.75417
0
0.84
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1
0
0
0
0.75286
0
0.86
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.75214
0
0.70
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.75046
0
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henry007
07-05-2020, 06:03 PM
I still dont see Why being seperated and Not being mixed for thousands of years Would make Anyone different baser on dna tools. Havent seen that before.
But i now Think the results for the balochs make some sense, Apart for the lezgins thrown in
Avicenna
07-05-2020, 06:06 PM
Very nice bro ! Will you be doing one for afghans too?
Lucas
07-05-2020, 06:33 PM
If possible, I think it would be helpful if the ‘iranian’ samples would be a bit more specific. I highly doubt some of them are ethnic Persians or native Iranics if they are farther away to Pashtuns than Finns and Uyghurs...
In fact few academic Iranians are in fact local Arabs (Khuzestan or coastal). I mean those academic reference called "Iranian", not later regional like Fars, Mazandarni, Bandari.
henry007
07-05-2020, 06:42 PM
In fact few academic Iranians are in fact local Arabs (Khuzestan or coastal). I mean those academic reference called "Iranian", not later regional like Fars, Mazandarni, Bandari.
Tbh, Im Not sure If We should expect them to be very much like the arabs(likely influenced though)
I already have gulf South iranian alike samples with very arabic names(and seen some of them even wearing arabic clothing clothing). I even has a sample of some guy from the gulf considering himself arab, Although his results screamed South iranian(even has a lot of South east eurasian admixture, compared to other South iranians).
Unless We see results of these samples, i wouldnt expect them to be very arabic alike
I still dont see Why being seperated and Not being mixed for thousands of years Would make Anyone different baser on dna tools. Havent seen that before.
But i now Think the results for the balochs make some sense, Apart for the lezgins thrown in
Well the proof is in the results. When we did the Kurd and Pashtun samples Baloch/Brahui were not in the top of the list but when we reversed it and did a table for Brahui all of a sudden Kurds and Pashtuns are in the top. Read that technical paper I linked it's helpful. Also google "genetic bottleneck" or "genetic drift".
I have a beautiful example that will make it clear to you.
Going by the previous example I gave suppose for simplification Sulaimaniya in Kurdistan only has 10 kurds and these are there genotypes for a certain SNP. You'll notice the allele frequency for the "A" allele at rs853697 is 70% for these Kurds
<colgroup width="85" span="12"></colgroup> <tbody>
SNP
Kurd1
Kurd2
Kurd3
Kurd4
Kurd5
Kurd6
Kurd7
Kurd8
Kurd9
Kurd10
Allele Frequency “A” allele
rs853697
A
A
C
A
C
A
A
A
C
A
7/10 or 70%
</tbody>
Now supposing Kurd3, Kurd4, Kurd5 decide to go to an uninhabited island
<colgroup width="85" span="5"></colgroup> <tbody>
SNP
Kurd3
Kurd4
Kurd5
Allele Frequency “A” allele
rs853697
C
A
C
1/3 or 30%
</tbody>
You'll notice that the Kurds on the island have a totally different allele frequency than the Kurds that remained behind. Now you can do the table for all the other positions in the genome.
After 2000 years admixture calculator will show totally different profile for them even though they never mixed with anyone.
Very nice bro ! Will you be doing one for afghans too?
Sure we can't leave out the Tajiks :) Keep in mind though I only have a couple of Tajiks in this dataset
Avicenna
07-05-2020, 06:46 PM
Sure we can't leave out the Tajiks :) Keep in mind though I only have a couple of Tajiks in this dataset
Sweet man . Be sure to include afghan pashtuns too :)
henry007
07-05-2020, 06:47 PM
Well the proof is in the results. When we did the Kurd and Pashtun samples Baloch/Brahui were not in the top of the list but when we reversed it and did a table for Brahui all of a sudden Kurds and Pashtuns are in the top. Read that technical paper I linked it's helpful. Also google "genetic bottleneck" or "genetic drift".
I have a beautiful example that will make it clear to you.
Going by the previous example I gave suppose for simplification Sulaimaniya in Kurdistan only has 10 kurds and these are there genotypes for a certain SNP. You'll notice the allele frequency for the "A" allele at rs853697 is 70% for these Kurds
<colgroup width="85" span="12"></colgroup> <tbody>
SNP
Kurd1
Kurd2
Kurd3
Kurd4
Kurd5
Kurd6
Kurd7
Kurd8
Kurd9
Kurd10
Allele Frequency “A” allele
rs853697
A
A
C
A
C
A
A
A
C
A
7/10 or 70%
</tbody>
Now supposing Kurd3, Kurd4, Kurd5 decide to go to an uninhabited island
<colgroup width="85" span="5"></colgroup> <tbody>
SNP
Kurd3
Kurd4
Kurd5
Allele Frequency “A” allele
rs853697
C
A
C
1/3 or 30%
</tbody>
You'll notice that the Kurds on the island have a totally different allele frequency than the Kurds that remained behind. Now you can do the table for all the other positions in the genome.
After 2000 years admixture calculator will show totally different profile for them even though they never mixed with anyone.
I havent seen any admixture calc do that, Not even for kalashis or nuristanis.
But Thanks for the explanation
vbnetkhio
07-05-2020, 06:49 PM
I still dont see Why being seperated and Not being mixed for thousands of years Would make Anyone different baser on dna tools. Havent seen that before.
But i now Think the results for the balochs make some sense, Apart for the lezgins thrown in
how else do you think we can tell apart Yamnaya, WHG, etc. ancestry?
it's because they were originally small isolated tribes with a specific genetic signature.
I havent seen any admixture calc do that, Not even for kalashis or nuristanis.
But Thanks for the explanation
Sure you have remember the good old "Baloch" or "Kalash" components. They create their own components in Admixture not because they are so different from their neighbors or W. Asians but because of their drift.
That's why on calculators with Baloch component Baloch distances are so odd (far)
I just realized after I had finished the run that this is a Tajik from Tajikistan but here it is FWIW
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FID2
IID2
DST
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Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
0.78531
Tajik-Tajikistan
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Bashkirs1
0.78504
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kazakh
Kazakhs2
0.78474
Tajik-Tajikistan
Bashkir
Bashkirs2
0.78468
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.78436
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tajik
S_Tajik-2
0.78428
Tajik-Tajikistan
Turkmen
Turkmens2
0.78409
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tajik
Tajiks1
0.78398
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
0.78377
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
0.78375
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tatar_Volga
VolgaTatars2
0.78370
Tajik-Tajikistan
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
0.78363
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
0.78359
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tatar_Tomsk
TomskTatars1
0.78352
Tajik-Tajikistan
Bashkir
Bashkirs3
0.78342
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tatar_Volga
VolgaTatars1
0.78339
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uyghur
Uyghurs2
0.78328
Tajik-Tajikistan
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
0.78312
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks3
0.78307
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.78305
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
0.78301
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uzbek
Uzbeks1
0.78298
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks2
0.78297
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kazakh
Kazkahs1
0.78289
Tajik-Tajikistan
Buryat
Buryats2
0.78287
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uzbek
Uzbeks2
0.78287
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karitiana
BI16
0.78274
Tajik-Tajikistan
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
0.78273
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pathan
S_Pathan-1
0.78269
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.78267
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uzbek
Uzbeks3
0.78261
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tatar_Tomsk
TomskTatars2
0.78255
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
0.78253
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.78251
Tajik-Tajikistan
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
0.78251
Tajik-Tajikistan
Tajik
Tajiks3
0.78246
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.78244
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kalmyk
Kalmyks1
0.78243
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
0.78239
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
0.78225
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karakalpak
Karakalpaks1
0.78224
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uyghur
Uyghurs1
0.78222
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
0.78219
Tajik-Tajikistan
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-1
0.78218
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_India
Punjabi_India
0.78217
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.78206
Tajik-Tajikistan
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
0.78206
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kalmyk
Kalmyks2
0.78199
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.78199
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
0.78199
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kazakh
Kazakhs3
0.78199
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
0.78184
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
0.78181
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uyghur
Uyghurs3
0.78180
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd_Yazidi
Kurd_Yazidi
0.78160
Tajik-Tajikistan
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
0.78159
Tajik-Tajikistan
Turkmen
Turkmens1
0.78148
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
0.78146
Tajik-Tajikistan
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
0.78144
Tajik-Tajikistan
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
0.78138
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
0.78134
Tajik-Tajikistan
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
0.78126
Tajik-Tajikistan
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
0.78124
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
0.78122
Tajik-Tajikistan
Turkish
Turkish
0.78116
Tajik-Tajikistan
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
0.78110
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
0.78109
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
0.78102
Tajik-Tajikistan
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
0.78096
Tajik-Tajikistan
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
0.78095
Tajik-Tajikistan
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
0.78095
Tajik-Tajikistan
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
0.78091
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
0.78090
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
0.78089
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
0.78088
Tajik-Tajikistan
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
0.78087
Tajik-Tajikistan
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
0.78084
Tajik-Tajikistan
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
0.78083
Tajik-Tajikistan
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
0.78083
Tajik-Tajikistan
Pathan
S_Pathan-2
0.78083
Tajik-Tajikistan
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
0.78080
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
0.78077
Tajik-Tajikistan
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
0.78071
Tajik-Tajikistan
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
0.78071
Tajik-Tajikistan
English
S_English-2
0.78070
Tajik-Tajikistan
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
0.78067
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
0.78062
Tajik-Tajikistan
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
0.78062
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli
0.78058
Tajik-Tajikistan
Buryat
Buryats1
0.78058
Tajik-Tajikistan
English
S_English-1
0.78048
Tajik-Tajikistan
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
0.78047
Tajik-Tajikistan
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.78047
Tajik-Tajikistan
Basque
S_Basque-2
0.78039
Tajik-Tajikistan
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
0.78035
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
0.78019
Tajik-Tajikistan
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
0.78001
Tajik-Tajikistan
Basque
S_Basque-1
0.78000
Tajik-Tajikistan
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-1
0.77998
Tajik-Tajikistan
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
0.77990
Tajik-Tajikistan
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
0.77979
Tajik-Tajikistan
Assyrian
Assyrian
0.77979
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
0.77957
Tajik-Tajikistan
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
0.77936
Tajik-Tajikistan
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
0.77925
Tajik-Tajikistan
Han
S_Han-2
0.77918
Tajik-Tajikistan
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
0.77917
Tajik-Tajikistan
Han
B_Han-3
0.77910
Tajik-Tajikistan
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
0.77908
Tajik-Tajikistan
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
0.77908
Tajik-Tajikistan
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
0.77900
Tajik-Tajikistan
PUN
mondal_PRBB-2
0.77896
Tajik-Tajikistan
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
0.77896
Tajik-Tajikistan
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
0.77889
Tajik-Tajikistan
Iranian
Iranian
0.77883
Tajik-Tajikistan
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
0.77874
Tajik-Tajikistan
Dai
B_Dai-4
0.77854
Tajik-Tajikistan
Han
S_Han-1
0.77853
Tajik-Tajikistan
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
0.77825
Tajik-Tajikistan
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
0.77822
Tajik-Tajikistan
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
0.77821
Tajik-Tajikistan
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
0.77818
Tajik-Tajikistan
Dai
S_Dai-1
0.77816
Tajik-Tajikistan
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
0.77815
Tajik-Tajikistan
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
0.77814
Tajik-Tajikistan
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
0.77799
Tajik-Tajikistan
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
0.77790
Tajik-Tajikistan
Dai
A_Dai-5
0.77759
Tajik-Tajikistan
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
0.77712
Tajik-Tajikistan
Dai
S_Dai-2
0.77690
Tajik-Tajikistan
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
0.77671
Tajik-Tajikistan
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
0.77629
Tajik-Tajikistan
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
0.77597
Tajik-Tajikistan
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
0.77544
Tajik-Tajikistan
Somali
S_Somali-1
0.74921
Tajik-Tajikistan
Masai
S_Masai-1
0.74028
Tajik-Tajikistan
Masai
S_Masai-2
0.74002
Tajik-Tajikistan
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
0.73034
Tajik-Tajikistan
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
0.72808
Tajik-Tajikistan
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
0.72766
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
0.72746
Tajik-Tajikistan
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
0.72684
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
0.72599
Tajik-Tajikistan
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
0.72585
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Lucas
07-05-2020, 08:29 PM
Tbh, Im Not sure If We should expect them to be very much like the arabs(likely influenced though)
I already have gulf South iranian alike samples with very arabic names(and seen some of them even wearing arabic clothing clothing). I even has a sample of some guy from the gulf considering himself arab, Although his results screamed South iranian(even has a lot of South east eurasian admixture, compared to other South iranians).
Unless We see results of these samples, i wouldnt expect them to be very arabic alike
Khuzestan Arabs are just part of south Iraqi continuum, nothing than border separate them.
But coastal are more mixed probably.
henry007
07-05-2020, 09:17 PM
I find it Odd How the tajiki gets central asians at first(indicating it being very turkic shifted, so pamiri + more turkic than typical tajiki), But Then gets kurds and pashtuns + West asians and kalashis before uzbeks. Otherwise, Not too bad
I find it Odd How the tajiki gets central asians at first(indicating it being very turkic shifted, so pamiri + more turkic than typical tajiki), But Then gets kurds and pashtuns + West asians and kalashis before uzbeks. Otherwise, Not too bad
Because Tajikistan Tajiks are a blend of iranic and some turkic so it all depends what proportions
henry007
07-05-2020, 10:02 PM
But the iranic ancestry is rather similiar between ALL tajikis, While kurds are mostly West asian natives with some steppe iranic ancestry from central asia(tajikis dont even have Iran n ancestry, just bmac).
A fully pamiri alike tajiki Would likely end up closer to a kurd than a very turkic tajiki, But the latter is 100% always closer to the former than kurd, Since the non-turkic ancestry is far more similiar than to a kurd. Also, almost all tajikis Got some turkic ancestry( from slightly turkic to being almost uzbek/Turkmen alike) so it Makes more sense the tajiki is closer to the other tajikis(and in this case, the Turkmen, uzbeks and likely turks too) Since turkic are partly pamiri alike AS Well.
But the iranic ancestry is rather similiar between ALL tajikis, While kurds are mostly West asian natives with some steppe iranic ancestry from central asia(tajikis dont even have Iran n ancestry, just bmac).
A fully pamiri alike tajiki Would likely end up closer to a kurd than a very turkic tajiki, But the latter is 100% always closer to the former than kurd, Since the non-turkic ancestry is far more similiar than to a kurd. Also, almost all tajikis Got some turkic ancestry( from slightly turkic to being almost uzbek/Turkmen alike) so it Makes more sense the tajiki is closer to the other tajikis(and in this case, the Turkmen, uzbeks and likely turks too) Since turkic are partly pamiri alike AS Well.
Looks like you don't read the major papers. You have alot of reading to catch up on dude. Tajiks and Kurds share most of their ancestors since the Neolithic. The are both heavy Iranic farmer and both have Anatolian farmer related.
You must have missed the Harvard S. Asian paper. BMAC is modeled as 62% Iranian farmer + 21% Anatolian farmer + 12 % Siberian Hunter Gatherer + 5% AASI. The BA genomes from Tajikistan area also have alot of Iranian and Anatolian farmer and Haji-Firuz-Chl is used as a farmer proxy in tables in supp. Y
ou would have never guessed this if you go by Admixture calculators and 23andMe. They are just catching genetic drift since Kurd and Tajik ancestors separated but they make it seem like they are different peoples. Each has absorbed a little from their local area since the 2 ancestral pops separated. Tajiks picked up a little more C. Asian steppe and Kurds picked up a little more Levant related.
https://i.imgur.com/Q4ExhQm.jpg
Not that I take Admixture calculators or tests such as Gese DNA too seriously but Gese DNA had one of my 100% Kurmanji Kurdish relatives from Iraq as 99.7% Tajik !
https://i.imgur.com/rwCpAY2.jpg?1
@ Avicenna
I checked the info on the Tajiks in my table and dataset. All they say is
S_Tajik-2.DG
S_Tajik-1.DG
are Shugnan Tajiks from Tajikistan
and
Takjik, Tajik1, Tajik2 are Tajikistan Tajiks.
henry007
07-06-2020, 01:29 AM
Looks like you don't read the major papers. You have alot of reading to catch up on dude. Tajiks and Kurds share most of their ancestors since the Neolithic. The are both heavy Iranic farmer and both have Anatolian farmer related.
You must have missed the Harvard S. Asian paper. BMAC is modeled as 62% Iranian farmer + 21% Anatolian farmer + 12 % Siberian Hunter Gatherer + 5% AASI. The BA genomes from Tajikistan area also have alot of Iranian and Anatolian farmer and Haji-Firuz-Chl is used as a farmer proxy in tables in supp. Y
ou would have never guessed this if you go by Admixture calculators and 23andMe. They are just catching genetic drift since Kurd and Tajik ancestors separated but they make it seem like they are different peoples. Each has absorbed a little from their local area since the 2 ancestral pops separated. Tajiks picked up a little more C. Asian steppe and Kurds picked up a little more Levant related.
https://i.imgur.com/Q4ExhQm.jpg
Not that I take Admixture calculators or tests such as Gese DNA too seriously but Gese DNA had one of my 100% Kurmanji Kurdish relatives from Iraq as 99.7% Tajik !
https://i.imgur.com/rwCpAY2.jpg?1
I was maybe wrong about the iran n affinity and the bmac component, but this is just BS
Tajiks and kurds arent that similiar either. Tajiks obvs preserved a lot more steppe ancestry and recieved a large amount of turkic ancestry, while kurds are largely west asian native with steppe ancestry(though both have large genetical affinity as you say)
No way iraqi kurds ever can turn out 100% tajik on anything, alone from 80% tajik. That just seems like BS
Not gonna be convinced by that
henry007
07-06-2020, 11:45 AM
Also, it isnt that weird that west eurasians get east eurasians like japanese and chinese at further distances than some SSA's, because many of these SSA groups in that chart have quiet a lot of west eurasian admixture. Specially ethiopians.
I understand eurasians split from each other later compared to SSA's, but it only makes sense for west eurasians to be largely closer to east eurasians than to fully SSA eurasian. But west eurasians are even closer to one another, than to anyone else. I noticed this in the g25 modellings(inferior to the dna tools you put out, but still weird now west eurasians would be closer to non-caucasiod east asians than to LARGELY west eurasian SSA's):
Target: Ethiopian_Tigray
Distance: 18.3825% / 0.18382491
56.8 Albanian
43.2 Bantu_S.E.
Target: Ethiopian_Oromo
Distance: 18.3023% / 0.18302280
51.4 Bantu_S.E.
48.6 Albanian
Target: Ethiopian_Jew
Distance: 19.0645% / 0.19064515
54.6 Albanian
45.4 Bantu_S.E.
Target: Ethiopian_Gumuz
Distance: 19.1474% / 0.19147407
85.0 Bantu_S.E.
15.0 Albanian
Target: Somali
Distance: 19.8212% / 0.19821238
54.0 Bantu_S.E.
46.0 Albanian
Target: Fulani
Distance: 12.7756% / 0.12775574
66.6 Bantu_S.E.
33.4 Albanian
Target: Masai
Distance: 18.6699% / 0.18669929
73.0 Bantu_S.E.
27.0 Albanian
Not fully accurate models, but somalis are mostly shown as to be around 40-50% west eurasian. ANd the west eurasian admixture in the other horners show their west eurasian affinity.
Here are the distances of almost fully west eurasian people and their distances to both the bantus(almost fully non-caucasiod SSA'a), horners and eastern eurasians:
Distance to: Croatian
0.25352367 Bashkir
0.39826319 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44505403 Altaian
0.47198783 Somali
0.51656629 Dongxiang
0.53386292 Fulani
0.57967508 Indonesian_Bali
0.58902614 Amerindian_North
0.58976216 Indonesian_Java
0.59651460 Masai
0.60474253 Japanese
0.60866795 Dai
0.61604632 Dong_Hunan
0.73804838 Bantu_Kenya
0.75675621 Bantu_S.W.
0.76673600 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: French_Alsace
0.26192242 Bashkir
0.39650405 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.45069240 Altaian
0.47095089 Somali
0.52167142 Dongxiang
0.53228079 Fulani
0.58464780 Indonesian_Bali
0.59481879 Indonesian_Java
0.59489985 Amerindian_North
0.59648144 Masai
0.60927055 Japanese
0.61338784 Dai
0.62085605 Dong_Hunan
0.73815426 Bantu_Kenya
0.75645907 Bantu_S.W.
0.76649205 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Ezid
0.25833893 Bashkir
0.34808255 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.42724547 Altaian
0.42836385 Somali
0.49058182 Dongxiang
0.50039851 Fulani
0.55344611 Indonesian_Bali
0.55846166 Masai
0.56437987 Indonesian_Java
0.57930777 Amerindian_North
0.58078585 Japanese
0.58331452 Dai
0.59223012 Dong_Hunan
0.70543237 Bantu_Kenya
0.72371731 Bantu_S.W.
0.73392792 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Albanian
0.26774324 Bashkir
0.37487104 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44944156 Altaian
0.45389187 Somali
0.51705605 Dongxiang
0.51961616 Fulani
0.57927003 Indonesian_Bali
0.58348906 Masai
0.58974853 Indonesian_Java
0.59940420 Amerindian_North
0.60468834 Japanese
0.60845856 Dai
0.61616269 Dong_Hunan
0.72863883 Bantu_Kenya
0.74709162 Bantu_S.W.
0.75732841 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Afrikaner
0.24989881 Bashkir
0.39105289 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44018576 Altaian
0.46321860 Somali
0.51176802 Dongxiang
0.52281911 Fulani
0.57454320 Indonesian_Bali
0.58439494 Amerindian_North
0.58476679 Indonesian_Java
0.58632805 Masai
0.59975974 Japanese
0.60362026 Dai
0.61122113 Dong_Hunan
0.72646040 Bantu_Kenya
0.74472252 Bantu_S.W.
0.75467238 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Abkhasian
0.26832874 Bashkir
0.37760009 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.43574771 Altaian
0.45545131 Somali
0.49922017 Dongxiang
0.52336578 Fulani
0.56537580 Indonesian_Bali
0.57567932 Indonesian_Java
0.58166191 Masai
0.58826864 Amerindian_North
0.58898951 Japanese
0.59286792 Dai
0.60136809 Dong_Hunan
0.72544430 Bantu_Kenya
0.74331651 Bantu_S.W.
0.75327481 Bantu_S.E.
THough not shown all the way to the eastern eurasians, still closer to the east asians than the less caucasiod SSA's, while leaning towards the horners with large amount of west eurasian admixture.
Distance to: Algerian
0.19454050 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.27267157 Somali
0.32994735 Fulani
0.33018922 Bashkir
0.40833216 Masai
0.46816028 Altaian
0.52115243 Dongxiang
0.55842172 Bantu_Kenya
0.57396757 Indonesian_Bali
0.57682799 Bantu_S.W.
0.58525538 Indonesian_Java
0.58973102 Bantu_S.E.
0.60149844 Japanese
0.60434265 Dai
0.61143000 Dong_Hunan
0.61477891 Amerindian_North
Even the algerian isnt all the way closer to the bantus than the east asians, although still largely closer(since the avg has lot of non-caucasiod admix similiar to bantus).
Im not arguing admixture being better than the tools youre using, nope, not at all. But i was to clarify why the horners would always be closer to west eurasians than fully non-caucasiod east eurasians would be, also that admixture doesnt do such a bad job either(but still has lots of issues as you say)
henry007
07-06-2020, 12:58 PM
DIdnt notice the link to the article on the first page. Seems pretty promising to me. THanks
Avicenna
07-06-2020, 07:11 PM
@ Avicenna
I checked the info on the Tajiks in my table and dataset. All they say is
S_Tajik-2.DG
S_Tajik-1.DG
are Shugnan Tajiks from Tajikistan
and
Takjik, Tajik1, Tajik2 are Tajikistan Tajiks.
Who is kapu in your samples btw ?
Also, it isnt that weird that west eurasians get east eurasians like japanese and chinese at further distances than some SSA's, because many of these SSA groups in that chart have quiet a lot of west eurasian admixture. Specially ethiopians.
I understand eurasians split from each other later compared to SSA's, but it only makes sense for west eurasians to be largely closer to east eurasians than to fully SSA eurasian. But west eurasians are even closer to one another, than to anyone else. I noticed this in the g25 modellings(inferior to the dna tools you put out, but still weird now west eurasians would be closer to non-caucasiod east asians than to LARGELY west eurasian SSA's):
Target: Ethiopian_Tigray
Distance: 18.3825% / 0.18382491
56.8 Albanian
43.2 Bantu_S.E.
Target: Ethiopian_Oromo
Distance: 18.3023% / 0.18302280
51.4 Bantu_S.E.
48.6 Albanian
Target: Ethiopian_Jew
Distance: 19.0645% / 0.19064515
54.6 Albanian
45.4 Bantu_S.E.
Target: Ethiopian_Gumuz
Distance: 19.1474% / 0.19147407
85.0 Bantu_S.E.
15.0 Albanian
Target: Somali
Distance: 19.8212% / 0.19821238
54.0 Bantu_S.E.
46.0 Albanian
Target: Fulani
Distance: 12.7756% / 0.12775574
66.6 Bantu_S.E.
33.4 Albanian
Target: Masai
Distance: 18.6699% / 0.18669929
73.0 Bantu_S.E.
27.0 Albanian
Not fully accurate models, but somalis are mostly shown as to be around 40-50% west eurasian. ANd the west eurasian admixture in the other horners show their west eurasian affinity.
Here are the distances of almost fully west eurasian people and their distances to both the bantus(almost fully non-caucasiod SSA'a), horners and eastern eurasians:
Distance to: Croatian
0.25352367 Bashkir
0.39826319 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44505403 Altaian
0.47198783 Somali
0.51656629 Dongxiang
0.53386292 Fulani
0.57967508 Indonesian_Bali
0.58902614 Amerindian_North
0.58976216 Indonesian_Java
0.59651460 Masai
0.60474253 Japanese
0.60866795 Dai
0.61604632 Dong_Hunan
0.73804838 Bantu_Kenya
0.75675621 Bantu_S.W.
0.76673600 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: French_Alsace
0.26192242 Bashkir
0.39650405 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.45069240 Altaian
0.47095089 Somali
0.52167142 Dongxiang
0.53228079 Fulani
0.58464780 Indonesian_Bali
0.59481879 Indonesian_Java
0.59489985 Amerindian_North
0.59648144 Masai
0.60927055 Japanese
0.61338784 Dai
0.62085605 Dong_Hunan
0.73815426 Bantu_Kenya
0.75645907 Bantu_S.W.
0.76649205 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Ezid
0.25833893 Bashkir
0.34808255 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.42724547 Altaian
0.42836385 Somali
0.49058182 Dongxiang
0.50039851 Fulani
0.55344611 Indonesian_Bali
0.55846166 Masai
0.56437987 Indonesian_Java
0.57930777 Amerindian_North
0.58078585 Japanese
0.58331452 Dai
0.59223012 Dong_Hunan
0.70543237 Bantu_Kenya
0.72371731 Bantu_S.W.
0.73392792 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Albanian
0.26774324 Bashkir
0.37487104 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44944156 Altaian
0.45389187 Somali
0.51705605 Dongxiang
0.51961616 Fulani
0.57927003 Indonesian_Bali
0.58348906 Masai
0.58974853 Indonesian_Java
0.59940420 Amerindian_North
0.60468834 Japanese
0.60845856 Dai
0.61616269 Dong_Hunan
0.72863883 Bantu_Kenya
0.74709162 Bantu_S.W.
0.75732841 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Afrikaner
0.24989881 Bashkir
0.39105289 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.44018576 Altaian
0.46321860 Somali
0.51176802 Dongxiang
0.52281911 Fulani
0.57454320 Indonesian_Bali
0.58439494 Amerindian_North
0.58476679 Indonesian_Java
0.58632805 Masai
0.59975974 Japanese
0.60362026 Dai
0.61122113 Dong_Hunan
0.72646040 Bantu_Kenya
0.74472252 Bantu_S.W.
0.75467238 Bantu_S.E.
Distance to: Abkhasian
0.26832874 Bashkir
0.37760009 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.43574771 Altaian
0.45545131 Somali
0.49922017 Dongxiang
0.52336578 Fulani
0.56537580 Indonesian_Bali
0.57567932 Indonesian_Java
0.58166191 Masai
0.58826864 Amerindian_North
0.58898951 Japanese
0.59286792 Dai
0.60136809 Dong_Hunan
0.72544430 Bantu_Kenya
0.74331651 Bantu_S.W.
0.75327481 Bantu_S.E.
THough not shown all the way to the eastern eurasians, still closer to the east asians than the less caucasiod SSA's, while leaning towards the horners with large amount of west eurasian admixture.
Distance to: Algerian
0.19454050 Ethiopian_Tigray
0.27267157 Somali
0.32994735 Fulani
0.33018922 Bashkir
0.40833216 Masai
0.46816028 Altaian
0.52115243 Dongxiang
0.55842172 Bantu_Kenya
0.57396757 Indonesian_Bali
0.57682799 Bantu_S.W.
0.58525538 Indonesian_Java
0.58973102 Bantu_S.E.
0.60149844 Japanese
0.60434265 Dai
0.61143000 Dong_Hunan
0.61477891 Amerindian_North
Even the algerian isnt all the way closer to the bantus than the east asians, although still largely closer(since the avg has lot of non-caucasiod admix similiar to bantus).
Im not arguing admixture being better than the tools youre using, nope, not at all. But i was to clarify why the horners would always be closer to west eurasians than fully non-caucasiod east eurasians would be, also that admixture doesnt do such a bad job either(but still has lots of issues as you say)
I'm fully aware that Somalians are 50/50 SSA/W Eurasian and Eurasians share many alleles with them because of the back-to-Africa migration that probably took place in the Ice Age.
So 1st if you go back and read my post about calculator distances I was referring mostly to Gedmatch calculators. Not to say that G25 doesn't have big issues. I have discussed those issues in different posts.
If you look at the tables I posted so far you'll see Somalis and Masai higher than E. Eurasians in the IBD TABLES but lower in the overall IBS distance tables.
Since I have also mentioned that I do like Plink IBS/IBD program but prefer to cross-check results with formal stats for a more complete picture to be fair I did just that.
I was able to dig up DSTATS on samples similar to what you just posted. These DSTATS use the HG19 HUMAN REFERENCE AS OUTGROUP TO SEE WHETHER YOUR SAMPLES SHARE MORE DERIVED ALLELES WITH SOMALIS AND MASAI OR WITH E EURASIANS.
This is done to be FAIR TO AFRICANS because the usual MBUTI OUTGROUP would obviously result in outcomes in favor of E Eurasians but I'll post both in a few minutes.
I wasn't able to find all your samples but I had some. So these DSTATS use Hg19-Human Reference as Outgroup.They're sorted from closest to E. Eurasian. Anything shaded yellow is closer to E. Eurasians than Africans.
<colgroup width="126"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85"></colgroup> <colgroup width="140"></colgroup> <colgroup width="112"></colgroup> <colgroup width="85" span="2"></colgroup> <tbody>
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Dai
Somali
Abkhasian
0.0495
9.776
689139
Dai
Somali
French
0.0476
9.462
689173
Dai
Somali
Greek
0.0421
8.292
689093
Dai
Somali
Ezid
0.0367
6.939
418224
Dai
Somali
Mozabite
-0.0036
-0.701
689098
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Japanese
Somali
Abkhasian
0.0514
10.067
689128
Japanese
Somali
French
0.0499
9.815
689159
Japanese
Somali
Greek
0.0448
8.797
689080
Japanese
Somali
Ezid
0.0408
7.682
418215
Japanese
Somali
Mozabite
-0.0002
-0.038
689085
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Japanese
Masai
French
0.0775
15.845
690503
Japanese
Masai
Abkhasian
0.0766
15.239
690460
Japanese
Masai
Greek
0.0721
14.461
690422
Japanese
Masai
Ezid
0.0575
11.636
419028
Japanese
Masai
Mozabite
0.016
3.268
690423
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Dai
Masai
French
0.0755
15.822
690523
Dai
Masai
Abkhasian
0.0749
15.094
690478
Dai
Masai
Greek
0.0697
14.251
690444
Dai
Masai
Ezid
0.0538
11.005
419039
Dai
Masai
Mozabite
0.0127
2.625
690436
</tbody>
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Who is kapu in your samples btw ?
Kapu is part of Telugu S. Indian people
I wasn't able to find all your samples but I had some. So these DSTATS use Hg19-Human Reference as Outgroup.They're sorted from closest to E. Eurasian. Anything shaded yellow is closer to E. Eurasians than Africans.
<tbody>
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Dai
Somali
Abkhasian
0.0495
9.776
689139
Dai
Somali
French
0.0476
9.462
689173
Dai
Somali
Greek
0.0421
8.292
689093
Dai
Somali
Ezid
0.0367
6.939
418224
Dai
Somali
Mozabite
-0.0036
-0.701
689098
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Japanese
Somali
Abkhasian
0.0514
10.067
689128
Japanese
Somali
French
0.0499
9.815
689159
Japanese
Somali
Greek
0.0448
8.797
689080
Japanese
Somali
Ezid
0.0408
7.682
418215
Japanese
Somali
Mozabite
-0.0002
-0.038
689085
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Japanese
Masai
French
0.0775
15.845
690503
Japanese
Masai
Abkhasian
0.0766
15.239
690460
Japanese
Masai
Greek
0.0721
14.461
690422
Japanese
Masai
Ezid
0.0575
11.636
419028
Japanese
Masai
Mozabite
0.016
3.268
690423
E. EURASIAN
AFRICAN
TEST
D
Z
SNPs
Dai
Masai
French
0.0755
15.822
690523
Dai
Masai
Abkhasian
0.0749
15.094
690478
Dai
Masai
Greek
0.0697
14.251
690444
Dai
Masai
Ezid
0.0538
11.005
419039
Dai
Masai
Mozabite
0.0127
2.625
690436
</tbody>
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These tables DON'T mean that the populations on top have more E. Eurasian admixture than the ones on bottom because SW ASIAN admixture (Basal Eurasian) will also drive the population to the bottom of the table
I'll post 1 Tajik Shugnan table by today
henry007
07-06-2020, 09:52 PM
Odd that largely west eurasian africans are more distant to west eurasians than east asians are.
But i guess thats the case
Odd that largely west eurasian africans are more distant to west eurasians than east asians are.
But i guess thats the case
Not really because with dstats when you use the Human Reference as an outgroup you’re in effect filtering out most of the very ancient reference alleles from the analyses and using mostly derived alleles . It’s those very ancient reference alleles that cause Eurasians to be closer to Africans in the admixture calculators and G25.
henry007
07-06-2020, 10:42 PM
Not really because with dstats when you use the Human Reference as an outgroup you’re in effect filtering out most of the very ancient reference alleles from the analyses and using mostly derived alleles . It’s those very ancient reference alleles that cause Eurasians to be closer to Africans in the admixture calculators and G25.
So horners are more distant to arabs, kurds and croatians and such than east asians are, ok.
But for what reason though, since horners are basically half west eurasians? You told me its with the program finding the sharing alleles. But what are the reason why east asians like indonesians and chinese would be closer to someone from lebanon genetically than example an ethiopian or somali?
Like example kurds are closer now to lebanese and assyrians than tajiks and balochs(not all the way though), since former mixed with native ancient west asians and turned out fully west eurasian almost, while latter kept more steppe ancestry and then recived lots of turkic ancestry(or just kept the steppe ancestry and didnt turn out as west asian leaning as the kurd), or recieved lots of aasi shifted indus ancestry. What would be the reason for east asians being closer to like people from syria or lebanon than somalis would?
IBS distance table for Tajikistan Shugnan Tajik academic sample.
<tbody>
FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq3
0.9457
0
0.0543
0.0543
0.80971
0.000
1.75
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq2
1
0
0
0
0.80936
0.014
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80904
0.071
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9476
0
0.0524
0.0524
0.80903
0.849
2.08
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.80893
0.020
1.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80871
0.102
1.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-2
1
0
0
0
0.80870
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1
0
0
0
0.80866
0.013
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80862
0.059
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Estonian
S_Estonian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80833
0.000
1.73
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Armenian
S_Armenian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80824
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq1
1
0
0
0
0.80816
0.001
1.78
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
1
0
0
0
0.80810
0.046
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd_Turkey
Kurd_Turkey
1
0
0
0
0.80805
0.011
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Armenian
S_Armenian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80803
0.000
1.76
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Iranian_NW
Iranian_NW
1
0
0
0
0.80798
0.011
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
1
0
0
0
0.80794
0.049
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Iranian
S_Iranian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80794
0.003
1.81
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
1
0
0
0
0.80784
0.000
1.74
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli3
1
0
0
0
0.80769
0.010
1.83
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Hungarian
S_Hungarian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80766
0.001
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Georgian
S_Georgian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80763
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.80757
0.000
1.61
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli2
1
0
0
0
0.80757
0.000
1.75
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Ezid
Ezid
1
0
0
0
0.80751
0.000
1.72
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
English
S_English-2
1
0
0
0
0.80748
0.000
1.74
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80747
0.054
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-2
1
0
0
0
0.80743
0.001
1.78
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.80742
0.000
1.51
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.80719
0.073
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80715
0.038
1.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli4
1
0
0
0
0.80713
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Tajik_Tajikistan
Tajik_Tajikistan
1
0
0
0
0.80704
0.000
1.76
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.80702
0.016
1.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
English
S_English-1
1
0
0
0
0.80701
0.011
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.80699
0.000
1.48
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80695
0.068
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.80694
0.025
1.86
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80692
0.001
1.78
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Basque
S_Basque-1
1
0
0
0
0.80691
0.003
1.81
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80678
0.042
1.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Brahui
S_Brahui-1
1
0
0
0
0.80674
0.000
1.70
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Assyrian
Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80669
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli1
1
0
0
0
0.80668
0.005
1.82
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
1
0
0
0
0.80667
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-3
1
0
0
0
0.80663
0.000
1.71
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80652
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Finnish
S_Finnish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80646
0.000
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Feyli
Kurd-Feyli5
1
0
0
0
0.80644
0.000
1.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Spanish
S_Spanish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80642
0.004
1.81
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Iranian
S_Iranian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80640
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Makrani
S_Makrani-1
1
0
0
0
0.80637
0.002
1.80
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkish
Turkish
1
0
0
0
0.80616
0.010
1.83
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Georgian
S_Georgian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80601
0.000
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-4
1
0
0
0
0.80594
0.000
1.67
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.80588
0.000
1.75
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80584
0.001
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Spanish
S_Spanish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80581
0.052
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80565
0.000
1.51
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Basque
S_Basque-2
1
0
0
0
0.80542
0.032
1.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-1
1
0
0
0
0.80538
0.001
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.80533
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.80517
0.000
1.56
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Brahui
S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.80505
0.000
1.45
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkish
S_Turkish-1
1
0
0
0
0.80501
0.000
1.72
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.80492
0.012
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Uyghur
S_Uygur-2
1
0
0
0
0.80492
0.000
1.70
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sardinian
B_Sardinian-3
1
0
0
0
0.80490
0.000
1.76
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
1
0
0
0
0.80413
0.000
1.34
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
1
0
0
0
0.80404
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
1
0
0
0
0.80331
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80325
0.000
1.44
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80258
0.000
1.67
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.80245
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80180
0.000
1.53
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.80137
0.000
1.19
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yakut
S_Yakut-1
1
0
0
0
0.80063
0.000
1.21
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mongola
S_Mongola-1
1
0
0
0
0.80040
0.000
1.23
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
1
0
0
0
0.80022
0.000
1.21
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.80006
0.000
1.13
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
1
0
0
0
0.79932
0.000
1.22
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.79885
0.000
1.13
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.79867
0.000
1.22
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.79865
0.000
1.31
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.79850
0.000
1.16
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
1
0
0
0
0.79836
0.000
1.08
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.79831
0.000
1.15
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.79814
0.000
1.14
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.79799
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.79771
0.000
1.15
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
B_Karitiana-3
1
0
0
0
0.79726
0.000
0.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.79721
0.000
1.09
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.79701
0.000
1.10
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
0
0
0
0.79668
0.000
0.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-2
1
0
0
0
0.79658
0.000
0.72
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
1
0
0
0
0.79574
0.000
1.07
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
S_Karitiana-1
1
0
0
0
0.79566
0.000
0.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
1
0
0
0
0.78130
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
1
0
0
0
0.78118
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkmen
Turkmens1
1
0
0
0
0.78079
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
BI16
1
0
0
0
0.77946
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkmen
Turkmens2
1
0
0
0
0.77931
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
1
0
0
0
0.77344
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Somali
S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.77312
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
1
0
0
0
0.77182
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Masai
S_Masai-1
1
0
0
0
0.76670
0.000
1.14
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.76633
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.75579
0.000
0.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
B_Yoruba-3
1
0
0
0
0.75283
0.000
0.81
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
1
0
0
0
0.75177
0.000
0.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-2
1
0
0
0
0.75098
0.000
0.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
S_Yoruba-1
1
0
0
0
0.74988
0.000
0.79
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-2
1
0
0
0
0.74931
0.000
0.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mbuti
S_Mbuti-3
1
0
0
0
0.74865
0.000
0.62
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Like example kurds are closer now to lebanese and assyrians than tajiks and balochs(not all the way though), since former mixed with native ancient west asians and turned out fully west eurasian almost, while latter kept more steppe ancestry and then recived lots of turkic ancestry(or just kept the steppe ancestry and didnt turn out as west asian leaning as the kurd), or recieved lots of aasi shifted indus ancestry. What would be the reason for east asians being closer to like people from syria or lebanon than somalis would?
Seriously dude you're comparing Kurds with Lebanase. Even though Kurds are in W. Asia they share genetic, linguistic, religious, and cultural ties more with SC Asia than with other W. Asians such as Lebanese and other Arabs.
Here are just a few points
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Kurds, Tajiks, Pashtuns, Baloch
Lebanese
Genetics
Iran-N and Anatolia-N based with substantial Central Asian steppe and some E. Eurasian
Levant-N & Natufian based with less steppe and less E. Eurasian
Language
Indo-Iranian
Afro-Asiatic (Semitic)
Religion pre-Islam
Zoroastrianism
Christianity
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Even though Kurds have picked up Levant related admixture dstats still show them closer to SC Asians than Palestinians ( I didn't have any Lebanese)
Any positive D means Kurds share more derived alleles with SC Asians than Palestinians. Sorted with most sharing with Kurds to least
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SC ASIAN
W ASIAN
KURDS
OUTGROUP
D
Z
SNPs
Tajik
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji1-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.019
4.28
420370
Tajik
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji2-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.017
4.12
420794
Tajik2
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji2-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.015
3.83
422445
Tajik2
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji1-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.013
3.34
422000
Pashtun_Afg
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji1-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.010
2.56
421632
Pashtun_Afg
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji2-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.010
2.34
422598
Pashtun_Pak
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji1-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.009
2.34
417954
Pashtun_Pak
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji2-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.004
0.95
418929
Brahui
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji1-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.001
0.28
422666
Brahui
Palestinian
Kurd-Kurmanji2-IQ
Mbuti.DG
0.000
0.09
423110
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henry007
07-07-2020, 02:03 PM
How are kurds from iraq closer to shugnanis than pashtuns or kalashis are? I get that kurds have steppe ancestry and all, but so do pashtuns. We been living closer to pamiris for longer time than kurds been and though have picked some south asian alike admix from indus farmers, we have lots of steppe ourselves(and since you point out of kurds being closer to sc asians than neighbors due to being "iranic" then pashtuns should be closer, since pamiris and pashtuns are east iranics)?
How are kurds from iraq closer to shugnanis than pashtuns or kalashis are? I get that kurds have steppe ancestry and all, but so do pashtuns. We been living closer to pamiris for longer time than kurds been and though have picked some south asian alike admix from indus farmers, we have lots of steppe ourselves(and since you point out of kurds being closer to sc asians than neighbors due to being "iranic" then pashtuns should be closer, since pamiris and pashtuns are east iranics)?
With Kalash it's because they're drifted but if you take the IBS distance table and sort by Ratio with corresponds to small IBD segments then Pashtuns are closer
If you want a more complete picture you would have to use formal stats in addition to this program
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FID1
IID1
FID2
IID2
Z0
Z1
Z2
PI_HAT
DST
PPC
RATIO
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Afg
Pashtun_Afg
0.9476
0
0.0524
0.0524
0.80903
0.849
2.08
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80871
0.102
1.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Arain
Punjabi_Arain
1
0
0
0
0.80719
0.073
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
Pashtun_Pak
1
0
0
0
0.80904
0.071
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkish
S_Turkish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80695
0.068
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
North-Ossetian
S_North_Ossetian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80862
0.059
1.89
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Estonian
S_Estonian-2
1
0
0
0
0.80747
0.054
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Adygei
S_Adygei-1
1
0
0
0
0.80794
0.049
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Adygei
S_Adygei-2
1
0
0
0
0.80810
0.046
1.88
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Finnish
S_Finnish-2
1
0
0
0
0.80678
0.042
1.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
S_Punjabi-1
1
0
0
0
0.80715
0.038
1.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Pk
Punjabi_Pk
1
0
0
0
0.80694
0.025
1.86
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Lezgin
S_Lezgin-1
1
0
0
0
0.80893
0.020
1.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Finnish
S_Finnish-3
1
0
0
0
0.80702
0.016
1.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq2
1
0
0
0
0.80936
0.014
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Pashtun_Pak
S_Pathan-1
1
0
0
0
0.80866
0.013
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Iranian
Iranian
1
0
0
0
0.80492
0.012
1.84
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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Kurd_Turkey
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Kurd-Feyli1
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0.80668
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Tajik-2
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Kurd-Feyli4
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0.80646
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Tajik.DG
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0.80601
0.000
1.77
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0
0.80490
0.000
1.76
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0.80704
0.000
1.76
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0.80803
0.000
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Tajik.DG
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Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq
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0.9457
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0.0543
0.0543
0.80971
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0.80588
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0.80757
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Tajik-2
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0.80748
0.000
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Tajik-2
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0.80784
0.000
1.74
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0
0.80833
0.000
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Tajik-2
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0
0.80501
0.000
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Tajik-2
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0
0
0.80751
0.000
1.72
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0.80663
0.000
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Uyghur
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0.80492
0.000
1.70
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Tajik-2
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0.80674
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1.70
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Tajik-2
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Kurd-Feyli5
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0.80644
0.000
1.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi
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0
0.80594
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Tajik-2
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0
0
0
0.80258
0.000
1.67
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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Assyrian
1
0
0
0
0.80669
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Punjabi_Gujjar
Punjabi_Gujjar
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0
0
0
0.80667
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Balochi
S_Balochi-1
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0
0
0
0.80652
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kapu
S_Kapu-1
1
0
0
0
0.80533
0.000
1.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kapu
S_Kapu-2
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0
0
0
0.80404
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Stuttgart-EEF
Stuttgart_published
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0
0
0
0.80331
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-1
1
0
0
0
0.80245
0.000
1.62
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kalash
S_Kalash-1
1
0
0
0
0.80757
0.000
1.61
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Baloch_IR
Baloch_IR
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0
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0
0.80517
0.000
1.56
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sardinian
S_Sardinian-1
1
0
0
0
0.80180
0.000
1.53
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Kalash
S_Kalash-2
1
0
0
0
0.80742
0.000
1.51
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Sindhi
S_Sindhi-2
1
0
0
0
0.80565
0.000
1.51
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Tajik
S_Tajik-1
1
0
0
0
0.80699
0.000
1.48
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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S_Brahui-2
1
0
0
0
0.80505
0.000
1.45
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Balochi
S_Balochi-2
1
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0
0
0.80325
0.000
1.44
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Makrani
S_Makrani-2
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0
0
0
0.80413
0.000
1.34
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
BedouinB
S_BedouinB-2
1
0
0
0
0.79865
0.000
1.31
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mongola
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1
0
0
0
0.80040
0.000
1.23
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-1
1
0
0
0
0.79867
0.000
1.22
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Mongola
S_Mongola-2
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0
0
0.79932
0.000
1.22
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yakut
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0
0
0.80063
0.000
1.21
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yakut
S_Yakut-2
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0
0
0.80022
0.000
1.21
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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Baloch_IR
1
0
0
0
0.80137
0.000
1.19
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-2
1
0
0
0
0.79850
0.000
1.16
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
S_Dai-1
1
0
0
0
0.79831
0.000
1.15
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
B_Han-3
1
0
0
0
0.79771
0.000
1.15
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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1
0
0
0
0.76670
0.000
1.14
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
B_Dai-4
1
0
0
0
0.79814
0.000
1.14
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
S_Han-2
1
0
0
0
0.79885
0.000
1.13
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Han
S_Han-1
1
0
0
0
0.80006
0.000
1.13
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
A_Dai-5
1
0
0
0
0.79799
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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S_Somali-1
1
0
0
0
0.77312
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Masai
S_Masai-2
1
0
0
0
0.76633
0.000
1.12
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Dai
S_Dai-2
1
0
0
0
0.79701
0.000
1.10
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-1
1
0
0
0
0.79721
0.000
1.09
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Japanese
S_Japanese-3
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0
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0
0.79836
0.000
1.08
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
China_Lahu
S_Lahu-2
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0
0
0
0.79574
0.000
1.07
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Luhya
S_Luhya-1
1
0
0
0
0.75579
0.000
0.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Loschbour-WHG
Loschbour_snpAD
1
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0
0.79668
0.000
0.91
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
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0
0
0.75098
0.000
0.87
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Luhya
S_Luhya-2
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0
0
0.75177
0.000
0.85
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
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0
0
0.75283
0.000
0.81
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yoruba
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0
0.74988
0.000
0.79
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
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0
0.79658
0.000
0.72
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0
0.79726
0.000
0.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0
0.79566
0.000
0.68
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0.74931
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0.65
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
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0.74865
0.000
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Botai-Kazkhistan
BOT15
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0.000
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Yamnaya-Kazakhstan
Yamnaya
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0.78118
0.000
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkmen
Turkmens1
1
0
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0.78079
0.000
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Karitiana
BI16
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0
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0
0.77946
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
Turkmen
Turkmens2
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0.77931
0.000
0.00
Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
DevilsCave_N
NEO236
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Tajik.DG
Tajik-2
DevilsCave_N
NEO240
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The reason European countries are showing up higher in the last table I posted is not because Shugnans have a lot of Ancestry from all those European countries but because Shugnans I have a lot of steppe Ancestry
@ Peterski
You can’t receive PMs. Plink 1.9 I wrote the commands in two other threads under Genetics section.
I think one thread was called IBD kurds
Edit: check the devils gate thread I just bumped
henry007
07-07-2020, 06:30 PM
"Even though Kurds are in W. Asia they share genetic, linguistic, religious, and cultural ties more with SC Asia than with other W. Asians such as Lebanese and other Arabs."
How are kurds culturally closer to SC asians than to neighbors? I get that theyre "iranics" and all, and that they arent alien to us.
But why would they be closer to us than their own neighbors culturally?
"Even though Kurds are in W. Asia they share genetic, linguistic, religious, and cultural ties more with SC Asia than with other W. Asians such as Lebanese and other Arabs."
How are kurds culturally closer to SC asians than to neighbors? I get that theyre "iranics" and all, and that they arent alien to us.
But why would they be closer to us than their own neighbors culturally?
Dude are you really a Pashtun? As a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you would know that Arab and Iranic cultures are quite different which is consistent with Iranic (Indo-European) languages being different from Afro-Asiatic/Semitic languages. For example as a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you to know that Kurds, Tajiks, Persians, Azeris, Balochis, Pashtuns celebrate Nowruz ( a big celebratory holiday which stems from Zoroastrianism) to mark their new year on 3/21. Arabs and I believe Caucasians don't have this
henry007
07-07-2020, 07:55 PM
Dude are you really a Pashtun? As a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you would know that Arab and Iranic cultures are quite different which is consistent with Iranic (Indo-European) languages being different from Afro-Asiatic/Semitic languages. For example as a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you to know that Kurds, Tajiks, Persians, Azeris, Balochis, Pashtuns celebrate Nowruz ( a big celebratory holiday which stems from Zoroastrianism) to mark their new year on 3/21. Arabs and I believe Caucasians don't have this
I am a pashtun, im just not well versed in afghan culture(grew up in Denmark and hang more out with non-afghans than afghans)
Though my family dont celebrate nawroz. I guess it isnt a pashtun thing, since other afghans i know said the same that it isnt a pashtun thing. I heard kashmiris celebrate it as well, i heard about it.
Also, i see levantines and kurds(turkey ones) getting quiet along well with each other, while slightly less so with afghans(not that we arent culturally related largely....but i guess its more urban pashtun thing. Afghan pashtuns like ones from the south less so, compared to ones from kabul)
Lucas
07-07-2020, 08:36 PM
Probably it depends heavily on dataset and its snps count. I used some lightweight dataset, made years ago by Razib Khan with worldwide 2200 samples.
After geno pruning and maf 25% results are not convinced for me. I post Balkar as it was first in dataset...
Sorted by DST.
Ok first few are good, but then we have for example French, Bulgarian, Spaniard or Tuscan higher than other Balkar samples.
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal22 0,722958
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal14 0,720983
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg64 0,720815
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg40 0,720614
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh165 0,720259
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez17 0,720051
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal7 0,720023
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal124 0,719907
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg5 0,719836
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia19 0,719783
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal108 0,719731
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg22 0,719716
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez15 0,719688
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh41 0,719686
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg49 0,719596
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg68 0,719518
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal80 0,719511
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez40 0,71948
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm4 0,719435
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg27 0,71943
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg51 0,719376
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh122 0,71929
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal45 0,71927
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh60 0,719168
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh154 0,719165
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia11 0,719158
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg62 0,719026
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal136 0,719001
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh133 0,718974
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00516 0,718973
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01385 0,718962
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh9 0,718959
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh135 0,718941
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria33 0,718917
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal31 0,718852
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal97 0,718811
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus2 0,718778
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh100 0,718762
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal88 0,718699
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm8 0,718641
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia3 0,718593
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks111 0,718575
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg61 0,71855
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch11 0,718455
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch21 0,718453
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia16 0,718432
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm13 0,718426
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01387 0,718411
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus10 0,718403
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks6 0,718387
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01402 0,718382
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez25 0,718373
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh119 0,718362
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg34 0,718356
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch76 0,718321
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01388 0,718316
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01401 0,718311
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh107 0,7183
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm14 0,718297
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh85 0,718289
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg54 0,718245
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm6 0,718237
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal50 0,718188
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20515 0,718186
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia1 0,718185
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh24 0,71815
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01398 0,718135
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia13 0,718128
Balkars bal42 Turks tur67 0,718124
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg20 0,718122
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch60 0,718104
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm11 0,718094
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00531 0,71808
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain11 0,718079
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania9 0,718074
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal115 0,718073
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01382 0,718073
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks7 0,718062
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia20 0,718055
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks5 0,718014
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic8tur 0,718009
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez38 0,718003
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary8 0,717949
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania14 0,717915
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg23 0,717905
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews Romanian_Jew_2 0,717878
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00535 0,717866
Balkars bal42 Syrians syria1 0,71785
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal26 0,717831
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia73 0,717828
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia162 0,717822
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh137 0,717817
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia14 0,717797
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg43 0,717785
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez44 0,71776
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch3 0,717738
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01403 0,717723
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch126 0,717722
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch170 0,717712
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm20 0,717708
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01400 0,717655
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia279 0,717641
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm10 0,717637
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks108 0,717628
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria39 0,717623
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria6 0,717597
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez24 0,71759
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20522 0,717588
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg70 0,717586
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia191 0,717563
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01678 0,717555
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg47 0,717515
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20506 0,717469
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch16 0,717464
Balkars bal42 Turks tur124 0,717449
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks110 0,717422
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01164 0,71739
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg65 0,717387
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01169 0,717374
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20508 0,717374
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20525 0,71737
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal64 0,717369
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania5 0,717368
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01381 0,717365
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01386 0,717355
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay7 0,717351
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy9e 0,717348
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01775 0,71734
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01667 0,717334
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01677 0,717333
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain2 0,717312
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia9 0,717306
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02232 0,717302
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez9 0,717286
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia80 0,717278
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy4w 0,717257
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01613 0,717243
Balkars bal42 Georgian_Jews GeorgJew141 0,717242
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20505 0,717242
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch113 0,717232
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01077 0,717231
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria5 0,717217
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01366 0,717213
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrainePol19 0,71721
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy9w 0,717201
Balkars bal42 Syrians syria361 0,7172
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA06994 0,717197
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg31 0,717196
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00599 0,717193
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus7 0,71719
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00575 0,71719
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20512 0,717176
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01709 0,717149
Balkars bal42 Kumyks Kumyk22 0,717139
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm23 0,717132
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01747 0,717116
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh27 0,717113
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00527 0,717111
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00518 0,717102
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00523 0,717099
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrBel620 0,717095
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania13 0,717093
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00805 0,717082
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01776 0,717075
Balkars bal42 Turks tur154 0,717074
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks13 0,717061
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP00668 0,71706
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch34 0,717059
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks10 0,717057
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh45 0,717044
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria1 0,717038
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg72 0,717019
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00528 0,717019
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary13 0,71701
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus6 0,717004
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez37 0,716991
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary1 0,71699
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy5e 0,71698
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania8 0,716974
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia3 0,716965
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus9 0,716954
Balkars bal42 Tajiks tad838 0,71693
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01383 0,716927
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00511 0,716925
Balkars bal42 Georgian_Jews GeorgJew111 0,71692
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA07000 0,716919
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus8 0,716903
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01616 0,716902
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch109 0,716901
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01163 0,716894
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm17 0,716892
Balkars bal42 Lithuanians lithuania2 0,716892
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00803 0,716892
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20518 0,716892
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy7e 0,716883
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00584 0,716869
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA12145 0,716867
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01627 0,716864
Balkars bal42 Turks tur210 0,716845
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrBel618 0,716838
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP00667 0,716809
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh74 0,716802
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez36 0,716796
Balkars bal42 Kurds kurd1198 0,716791
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20521 0,716785
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain9 0,716782
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia2 0,71677
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00797 0,716744
Balkars bal42 Ukranians Ukraine133 0,71673
Balkars bal42 Iraqi_Jews iraq_jew6 0,716722
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary11 0,716718
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01168 0,716713
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania10 0,716711
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01399 0,71667
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain6 0,716667
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00537 0,71664
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy4e 0,716637
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm18 0,716625
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia102 0,716619
Balkars bal42 Turks tur306 0,716616
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus11 0,716613
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00601 0,716613
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA12144 0,71661
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic10tur 0,716609
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia5 0,716605
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch150 0,716601
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria25 0,716598
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01625 0,716581
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews Romanian_Jew_3 0,716573
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01162 0,716562
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00561 0,716549
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrLv237 0,716545
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia10 0,716536
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00806 0,716517
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia176 0,7165
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria2 0,716499
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA12146 0,716495
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01515 0,716486
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm21 0,716448
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia17 0,716444
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01708 0,716441
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia7 0,716434
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01607 0,71643
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01602 0,716425
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00795 0,716423
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic1tur 0,71642
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01609 0,716416
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia293 0,716414
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00538 0,716409
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20504 0,716405
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia6 0,716403
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy1w 0,716403
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic16bul 0,716382
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain3 0,716381
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez7 0,716379
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary16 0,716369
Balkars bal42 Palestinians HGDP00694 0,716366
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01746 0,716363
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez42 0,716362
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01610 0,716361
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary17 0,716348
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus3 0,716345
Balkars bal42 Ukranians Ukraine136 0,716316
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez13 0,716313
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm26 0,716308
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal102 0,716303
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria37 0,716297
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks11 0,716294
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh53 0,716285
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01706 0,716283
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy8e 0,716275
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch55 0,716262
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania12 0,716251
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01524 0,71625
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm3 0,716246
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00582 0,716242
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia86 0,716239
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh147 0,716229
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00513 0,716227
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus3 0,716226
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01507 0,716219
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic5tur 0,716215
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA06985 0,716213
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia9 0,71621
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus6 0,71621
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez49 0,716206
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks15 0,716204
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02234 0,716203
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01748 0,7162
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez52 0,716199
Balkars bal42 Georgian_Jews GeorgJew105 0,716189
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy3w 0,716187
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01632 0,716183
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01773 0,716182
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks1 0,716174
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01396 0,716171
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01167 0,716163
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia12 0,716161
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria4 0,716159
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01676 0,716152
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01784 0,716144
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01756 0,716138
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01516 0,716131
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia4 0,716128
Balkars bal42 Iraqi_Jews iraq_jew2 0,71612
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02223 0,716109
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01606 0,716099
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01771 0,716098
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus2 0,716097
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20529 0,716095
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain4 0,71609
Balkars bal42 Lebanese Lebanon2 0,716083
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01512 0,716081
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus7 0,716077
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks4 0,716076
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrLv240 0,716073
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania4 0,716071
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria8 0,716062
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00796 0,716061
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm7 0,716059
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm19 0,716058
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01604 0,716047
Balkars bal42 Lebanese Lebanon8 0,716046
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01505 0,716046
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy8w 0,716041
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews Romanian_Jew_1 0,716036
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01514 0,71602
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic13bul 0,716018
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02224 0,716016
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy10w 0,716013
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrBel733 0,716008
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01358 0,716004
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01671 0,715997
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01066 0,715996
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh71 0,715993
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01703 0,715991
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01078 0,715987
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20520 0,715986
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00539 0,715985
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia8 0,715981
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20527 0,715981
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria3 0,71598
Balkars bal42 Tuscans HGDP01166 0,71598
Balkars bal42 Ukranians Ukraine97 0,715966
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm5 0,715962
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary18 0,715957
Balkars bal42 Turks tur222 0,715956
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01361 0,715956
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA07055 0,715952
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP00673 0,715951
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia71 0,715934
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary19 0,715921
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez33 0,71592
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20516 0,715919
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA07022 0,715916
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary3 0,71591
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm9 0,715889
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01365 0,715883
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00800 0,71588
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary10 0,715879
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00901 0,715872
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00521 0,71586
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia4 0,715856
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch101 0,71585
Balkars bal42 Lithuanians lithuania9 0,71585
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez31 0,71583
Balkars bal42 Turks tur236 0,715829
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00525 0,715821
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary4 0,71582
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania1 0,715816
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP00665 0,715812
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary12 0,715807
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus1 0,715799
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia15 0,715779
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01504 0,715776
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00802 0,715769
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary5 0,715765
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20528 0,715748
Balkars bal42 Jordanians Jordan503 0,715743
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00520 0,715742
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay10 0,715738
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary2 0,715734
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01532 0,715733
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01519 0,715717
Balkars bal42 Kurds kurd1159 0,715716
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01509 0,715715
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01608 0,715715
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus5 0,715711
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01774 0,715693
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01702 0,715684
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01529 0,715682
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary15 0,715676
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia36 0,715672
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01684 0,715668
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02238 0,715661
Balkars bal42 Moroccan_Jews Morocco_Jew_12 0,715657
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01698 0,715657
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01701 0,715654
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01527 0,715651
Balkars bal42 Iranians iran4 0,715644
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary7 0,715638
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00885 0,715635
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00522 0,715612
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00594 0,71561
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay2 0,715599
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary9 0,715597
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01617 0,71559
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00529 0,715573
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA12056 0,715571
Balkars bal42 UtahWhite NA12057 0,715564
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20519 0,715559
Balkars bal42 Kurds kurd1160 0,715557
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic7tur 0,715552
Balkars bal42 Turks tur2 0,71555
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch193 0,715545
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00893 0,715534
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia91 0,71553
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01611 0,715512
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch179 0,715508
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic9tur 0,715501
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01513 0,715501
Balkars bal42 Lithuanians lithuania3 0,715495
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrBel736 0,715492
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01624 0,715487
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20510 0,715479
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00886 0,715476
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01686 0,715472
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01711 0,71546
Balkars bal42 Syrians syria298 0,715457
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01761 0,715457
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay6 0,715455
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01369 0,715448
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia13 0,715443
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01518 0,715429
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01069 0,715427
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01508 0,715421
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01517 0,715415
Balkars bal42 Azerbaijani_Jews AzerbJew204 0,715406
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00900 0,715405
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01071 0,715404
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch174 0,715403
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01500 0,715402
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay9 0,7154
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania16 0,7154
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01633 0,715391
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00514 0,715379
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria26 0,715359
Balkars bal42 Turkmens turkm1820 0,715358
Balkars bal42 Cypriots Cyprus4 0,715344
Balkars bal42 Moroccan_Jews Morocco_Jew_13 0,71534
Balkars bal42 Ukranians Ukraine130 0,715338
Balkars bal42 Russians evo_2 0,715334
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay8 0,715332
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01705 0,715331
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01772 0,715328
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01377 0,715327
Balkars bal42 Orcadians HGDP00808 0,715325
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00517 0,715325
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01757 0,715324
Balkars bal42 Ukranians Ukraine94 0,715317
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus1 0,715314
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary20 0,715311
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01618 0,715308
Balkars bal42 Moroccan_Jews MorJew2001 0,715307
Balkars bal42 Mordovians mordovia14 0,715306
Balkars bal42 Iranians iran17 0,715303
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01520 0,71529
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00580 0,715288
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01696 0,71528
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay3 0,715275
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01778 0,71527
Balkars bal42 Armenians armenia106 0,715269
Balkars bal42 Nogais nogay12 0,715267
Balkars bal42 Tajiks tadjik10 0,715265
Balkars bal42 Turks tur170 0,715263
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch86 0,715258
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy2e 0,715254
Balkars bal42 Turks tur262 0,715253
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG02230 0,715245
Balkars bal42 Ukranians UkrBel622 0,715243
Balkars bal42 Druze HGDP00586 0,715241
Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01075 0,715241
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01376 0,715236
Balkars bal42 Moroccan_Jews Morocco_Jew_1 0,71523
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01526 0,715226
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01374 0,715209
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews ashkenazy10e 0,715207
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal32 0,715198
Balkars bal42 Azerbaijani_Jews GeorgJewtat16 0,715198
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01373 0,715195
Balkars bal42 Russians HGDP00882 0,715192
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01670 0,715191
Balkars bal42 Uzbekistani_Jews Uzbekistan_Jew_2 0,715189
Balkars bal42 Spanish HG01506 0,715188
Balkars bal42 French HGDP01371 0,715181
Probably it depends heavily on dataset and its snps count. I used some lightweight dataset, made years ago by Razib Khan with worldwide 2200 samples.
After geno pruning and maf 25% results are not convinced for me. I post Balkar as it was first in dataset...
Sorted by DST.
Ok first few are good, but then we have for example French, Bulgarian, Spaniard or Tuscan higher than other Balkar samples.
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal22 0,722958
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal14 0,720983
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg64 0,720815
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg40 0,720614
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh165 0,720259
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez17 0,720051
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal7 0,720023
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal124 0,719907
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg5 0,719836
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia19 0,719783
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal108 0,719731
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg22 0,719716
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez15 0,719688
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh41 0,719686
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg49 0,719596
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg68 0,719518
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal80 0,719511
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez40 0,71948
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm4 0,719435
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg27 0,71943
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg51 0,719376
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh122 0,71929
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal45 0,71927
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh60 0,719168
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh154 0,719165
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia11 0,719158
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg62 0,719026
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal136 0,719001
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh133 0,718974
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00516 0,718973
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01385 0,718962
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh9 0,718959
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh135 0,718941
Balkars bal42 Bulgarians Bulgaria33 0,718917
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal31 0,718852
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal97 0,718811
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus2 0,718778
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh100 0,718762
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal88 0,718699
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm8 0,718641
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia3 0,718593
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks111 0,718575
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg61 0,71855
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch11 0,718455
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch21 0,718453
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia16 0,718432
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm13 0,718426
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01387 0,718411
Balkars bal42 Belorussians belorus10 0,718403
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks6 0,718387
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01402 0,718382
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez25 0,718373
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh119 0,718362
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg34 0,718356
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch76 0,718321
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01388 0,718316
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01401 0,718311
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh107 0,7183
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm14 0,718297
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh85 0,718289
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg54 0,718245
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm6 0,718237
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal50 0,718188
Balkars bal42 Tuscan NA20515 0,718186
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia1 0,718185
Balkars bal42 Abhkasians abh24 0,71815
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01398 0,718135
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia13 0,718128
Balkars bal42 Turks tur67 0,718124
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg20 0,718122
Balkars bal42 Chechens ch60 0,718104
Balkars bal42 Armenians arm11 0,718094
Balkars bal42 French HGDP00531 0,71808
Balkars bal42 Spaniards Spain11 0,718079
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania9 0,718074
Balkars bal42 Balkars bal115 0,718073
Balkars bal42 Adygei HGDP01382 0,718073
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks7 0,718062
Balkars bal42 North_Ossetians NorthOssetia20 0,718055
Balkars bal42 Kumyks kumyks5 0,718014
Balkars bal42 Sephardic_Jews sephardic8tur 0,718009
Balkars bal42 Lezgins lez38 0,718003
Balkars bal42 Hungarians hungary8 0,717949
Balkars bal42 Romanians Romania14 0,717915
Balkars bal42 Georgians mg23 0,717905
Balkars bal42 Ashkenazy_Jews Romanian_Jew_2 0,717878
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Balkars bal42 Sardinians HGDP01078 0,715987
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Do these steps in order:
— geno 0.001. To make sure some samples are not missing genotypes this is critical
— max-maf 0.25 (not —maf because the opposite will happen allele frequecies below the 25% will be discarded that’s not what you want)
— genome
Then repost and let me know how many SNPs you are left with. Make sure you have over 100k. If not remove samples with lower SNP counts before you take those steps
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 02:47 AM
I am a pashtun, im just not well versed in afghan culture(grew up in Denmark and hang more out with non-afghans than afghans)
Though my family dont celebrate nawroz. I guess it isnt a pashtun thing, since other afghans i know said the same that it isnt a pashtun thing. I heard kashmiris celebrate it as well, i heard about it.
Also, i see levantines and kurds(turkey ones) getting quiet along well with each other, while slightly less so with afghans(not that we arent culturally related largely....but i guess its more urban pashtun thing. Afghan pashtuns like ones from the south less so, compared to ones from kabul)
As far as I know the vast majority of afghans , pashtun and non pashrun celebrate nowruz. It's a national holiday bro are you kidding me ?! You don't seem connected to the afghan community so let someone who is speak for us :)
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 02:48 AM
Dude are you really a Pashtun? As a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you would know that Arab and Iranic cultures are quite different which is consistent with Iranic (Indo-European) languages being different from Afro-Asiatic/Semitic languages. For example as a Pashtun or Iranic I would expect you to know that Kurds, Tajiks, Persians, Azeris, Balochis, Pashtuns celebrate Nowruz ( a big celebratory holiday which stems from Zoroastrianism) to mark their new year on 3/21. Arabs and I believe Caucasians don't have this
I genuinely believe Kurds are the most closest people to pashtuns in many aspects
henry007
07-08-2020, 10:12 AM
As far as I know the vast majority of afghans , pashtun and non pashrun celebrate nowruz. It's a national holiday bro are you kidding me ?! You don't seem connected to the afghan community so let someone who is speak for us :)
But we dont celebrate nowruz. Vast majority of afghans, i guess so(since majority are rather persian/"tajik cultured"), but i wouldnt imagine its something happening in the south much. More in the north. I dont imagine pashtuns like mingle celebrating it either(though hes from pakistan....but i heard chitralis do it as well though)
henry007
07-08-2020, 10:13 AM
I genuinely believe Kurds are the most closest people to pashtuns in many aspects
In what ways though? Apart from them being tribal as us
I would imagine it would be brahuis and balochs
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 11:44 AM
In what ways though? Apart from them being tribal as us
I would imagine it would be brahuis and balochs
I don't think I have met any brahuis or even balochis in my lifetime so I cannot speak for them. I said "in many aspects " though . Just my opinion that's all.
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 11:45 AM
But we dont celebrate nowruz. Vast majority of afghans, i guess so(since majority are rather persian/"tajik cultured"), but i wouldnt imagine its something happening in the south much. More in the north. I dont imagine pashtuns like mingle celebrating it either(though hes from pakistan....but i heard chitralis do it as well though)
As far as I know , pashtuns celebrate nowruz too , maybe it's a little different in remote regions of southern Afghanistan but I always see pashtuns , tajiks , Uzbeks ehc celebrating this day .
Edit : forgot to mention that they all celebrate it because it's our new year . Anyways leave it that don't want this thread to get derailed.
I genuinely believe Kurds are the most closest people to pashtuns in many aspects
Agreed, as well as Afghan Tajiks and Baloch. The histories of kurds, Afghan Tajiks, Pashtuns, and Baloch are entangled on many levels.
But we dont celebrate nowruz. Vast majority of afghans, i guess so(since majority are rather persian/"tajik cultured"), but i wouldnt imagine its something happening in the south much. More in the north. I dont imagine pashtuns like mingle celebrating it either(though hes from pakistan....but i heard chitralis do it as well though)
There are several reasons for majority of Pakistani Pashtuns not celebrating Nowruz:
1- Nowruz is a Zoroastrian thing and Pakistani government as well as islamist groups in Pakistan perceive it as anti-islamic so you have that pressure. Some people in the past have been attacked in Pakistan for celebrating it.
2- The weakening of the persian culture in Pakistan and it's gradual replacement with Arabic culture.
3- Weakening of Pak - Afghan relations
4- Also Pashtuns in general seem more strict than Kurds as far as islam goes and letting their women go outside
In what ways though? Apart from them being tribal as us
I would imagine it would be brahuis and balochs
yeah but Brahuis and Balochis are simply drifted Kurds with less Anatolian farmer related and more Iran-N related with a little added ASI. There is alot of historical evidence of Kurds in Balochistan (my signature has a map of present distribution of Kurds). Also Kurdish is closest to Balochi and both are on the Parthian branch of Indo-Iranian.
As far as Kurds and Pashtuns:
1- Both are tribal mountain warriors
2- Language similarities between both to exclusion of other presently spoken Indo-Iranian languages. See my thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325774-Pashto-Kurdish-similarities
3- IBS/IBD/Formal DNA analysis
4- Iranics such as persians, baloch, tajiks, kurds, and pashtuns were Zoroastrians pre-islam although I believe some pashtun ancestors were also Buddhist and Vedics (Zoroastrianism is Avestan and Avestan and Vedisim split around 3500 years ago)
5- Pashtunwali life code similar to code of Kurds. I realize new generations don't follow this as much
Lucas
07-08-2020, 01:42 PM
Do these steps in order:
— geno 0.001. To make sure some samples are not missing genotypes this is critical
— max-maf 0.25 (not —maf because the opposite will happen allele frequecies below the 25% will be discarded that’s not what you want)
— genome
Then repost and let me know how many SNPs you are left with. Make sure you have over 100k. If not remove samples with lower SNP counts before you take those steps
Ok I will make a subset from Reich dataset. Let's say three samples from every ethnicity and then I will check.
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 03:12 PM
yeah but Brahuis and Balochis are simply drifted Kurds with less Anatolian farmer related and more Iran-N related with a little added ASI. There is alot of historical evidence of Kurds in Balochistan (my signature has a map of present distribution of Kurds). Also Kurdish is closest to Balochi and both are on the Parthian branch of Indo-Iranian.
As far as Kurds and Pashtuns:
1- Both are tribal mountain warriors
2- Language similarities between both to exclusion of other presently spoken Indo-Iranian languages. See my thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325774-Pashto-Kurdish-similarities
3- IBS/IBD/Formal DNA analysis
4- Iranics such as persians, baloch, tajiks, kurds, and pashtuns were Zoroastrians pre-islam although I believe some pashtun ancestors were also Buddhist and Vedics (Zoroastrianism is Avestan and Avestan and Vedisim split around 3500 years ago)
5- Pashtunwali life code similar to code of Kurds. I realize new generations don't follow this as much
Excellent points zoro . Really excited to see your afghan pashtun /Tajik IBS results :)
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 03:20 PM
But we dont celebrate nowruz. Vast majority of afghans, i guess so(since majority are rather persian/"tajik cultured"), but i wouldnt imagine its something happening in the south much. More in the north. I dont imagine pashtuns like mingle celebrating it either(though hes from pakistan....but i heard chitralis do it as well though)
Off topic but my god , I was just reading a thread from a year ago and the amount of stuff you were posting ( Hussein khan ) back then was so frustrating lol.
henry007
07-08-2020, 04:14 PM
Off topic but my god , I was just reading a thread from a year ago and the amount of stuff you were posting ( Hussein khan ) back then was so frustrating lol.
Like What exactly?
henry007
07-08-2020, 04:25 PM
yeah but Brahuis and Balochis are simply drifted Kurds with less Anatolian farmer related and more Iran-N related with a little added ASI. There is alot of historical evidence of Kurds in Balochistan (my signature has a map of present distribution of Kurds). Also Kurdish is closest to Balochi and both are on the Parthian branch of Indo-Iranian.
As far as Kurds and Pashtuns:
1- Both are tribal mountain warriors
2- Language similarities between both to exclusion of other presently spoken Indo-Iranian languages. See my thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325774-Pashto-Kurdish-similarities
3- IBS/IBD/Formal DNA analysis
4- Iranics such as persians, baloch, tajiks, kurds, and pashtuns were Zoroastrians pre-islam although I believe some pashtun ancestors were also Buddhist and Vedics (Zoroastrianism is Avestan and Avestan and Vedisim split around 3500 years ago)
5- Pashtunwali life code similar to code of Kurds. I realize new generations don't follow this as much
Tajiks from eastern Afghanistan Would been descendants of vedics and buddhists too, Since buddhism was pretty much a thing there, and i wouldnt be suprised with vedism once existing in east afg(small parts)
Pretty much agreeing with you, like about balochs and brahuid being kurd alike people, who picked up a good amount of indus farmer ancestry from South Iran like most South iranians.
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 04:29 PM
Tajiks from eastern Afghanistan Would been descendants of vedics and buddhists too, Since buddhism was pretty much a thing there, and i wouldnt be suprised with vedism once existing in east afg(small parts)
Pretty much agreeing with you, like about balochs and brahuid being kurd alike people, who picked up a good amount of indus farmer ancestry from South Iran like most South iranians.
Vedic and Buddhism is religoun though . That's like saying a certain population are descendants of Muslims in the context of genetics . Nuristanis /wakhis etc are what pre Indo Aryan vedics looked like most likely I'm guessing.
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 04:30 PM
Like What exactly?
Punjabis and pashtuns look the same when Europeans and non pashtuns were asking you if you were trolling / refuting you . Makes me chuckle lol
henry007
07-08-2020, 04:33 PM
Vedic and Buddhism is religoun though . That's like saying a certain population are descendants of Muslims in the context of genetics . Nuristanis /wakhis etc are what pre Indo Aryan vedics looked like most likely I'm guessing.
I know Theyre religions, But i still meant like descendants of vedics and buddhists, just like you Can say pakis and indians muslims are descendants of hindus/vedics
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 04:44 PM
I know Theyre religions, But i still meant like descendants of vedics and buddhists, just like you Can say pakis and indians muslims are descendants of hindus/vedics
Correct me if im wrong but vedics is the source of Hinduism which pre dates the Indo Aryan invasion of sub continent right ? Because kalash /nuristanis used to practice a form of ancient vedic religoun up until 200 years ago .
Avicenna
07-08-2020, 04:46 PM
I know Theyre religions, But i still meant like descendants of vedics and buddhists, just like you Can say pakis and indians muslims are descendants of hindus/vedics
Correct me if im wrong but vedics is the source of Hinduism which pre dates the Indo Aryan invasion of sub continent right ? Because kalash /nuristanis used to practice a form of ancient vedic religoun up until 200 years ago .
henry007
07-08-2020, 04:49 PM
Correct me if im wrong but vedics is the source of Hinduism which pre dates the Indo Aryan invasion of sub continent right ? Because kalash /nuristanis used to practice a form of ancient vedic religoun up until 200 years ago .
Im Not sure. But i wouldnt be suprised, Since i heard they have preserved Lots of traditions from pre-indo-iranian central asia(tajikstan, Turkmenistan , uzbekistan etc)
Trouble
07-09-2020, 12:03 AM
yeah but Brahuis and Balochis are simply drifted Kurds with less Anatolian farmer related and more Iran-N related with a little added ASI. There is alot of historical evidence of Kurds in Balochistan (my signature has a map of present distribution of Kurds). Also Kurdish is closest to Balochi and both are on the Parthian branch of Indo-Iranian.
As far as Kurds and Pashtuns:
1- Both are tribal mountain warriors
2- Language similarities between both to exclusion of other presently spoken Indo-Iranian languages. See my thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?325774-Pashto-Kurdish-similarities
3- IBS/IBD/Formal DNA analysis
4- Iranics such as persians, baloch, tajiks, kurds, and pashtuns were Zoroastrians pre-islam although I believe some pashtun ancestors were also Buddhist and Vedics (Zoroastrianism is Avestan and Avestan and Vedisim split around 3500 years ago)
5- Pashtunwali life code similar to code of Kurds. I realize new generations don't follow this as much
No offense but I find your obsession with trying to tie Kurds in with Baloch people rather peculiar. Why them? I get that there is a connection in terms of language but other than that, not much is similar. The Iranian speakers that are most similar to Baloch are actually Farsi speaking south Iranians and possibly southern Pashtuns which is consistent with the geographical reality.
To assert that Kurds and Baloch are highly close to one another you would need to provide proof of a massive population movement from Kurdistan to Balochistan in recent times or vice versa. I am not aware of any such population transfer.
The Kurds are closer to Persians, Azeris, Assyrians, and probably even Iraqi Arabs than they are to Baloch people based on all data I’ve seen so far.
Those IBS distances you showed seem unreliable and I will take them with a grain of salt unless I see similar results from academic studies.
henry007
07-09-2020, 09:31 AM
No offense but I find your obsession with trying to tie Kurds in with Baloch people rather peculiar. Why them? I get that there is a connection in terms of language but other than that, not much is similar. The Iranian speakers that are most similar to Baloch are actually Farsi speaking south Iranians and possibly southern Pashtuns which is consistent with the geographical reality.
To assert that Kurds and Baloch are highly close to one another you would need to provide proof of a massive population movement from Kurdistan to Balochistan in recent times or vice versa. I am not aware of any such population transfer.
The Kurds are closer to Persians, Azeris, Assyrians, and probably even Iraqi Arabs than they are to Baloch people based on all data I’ve seen so far.
Those IBS distances you showed seem unreliable and I will take them with a grain of salt unless I see similar results from academic studies.
TBH, i havent seen much of historical facts about balochs coming from same source as kurds, apart from historically coming from aleppo(based on wiki), but i think thats enough.
Zoro didnt say necessarily that balochs arent closer to their neighbors than kurds(and that kurds are closer to balochs than other iranics like azeris and persians), rather they just have an ancient affinity, which i doubt isnt so wrong. Theyre western iranics after all(not persianised like afghan tajiks, like legit west iranics. Theyre just west iranics who mixed with indus farmers that pulled them more from west asia since they turned more iran n and significanly aasi shifted.
Though kurds are a result of iranian neolithics, iranian chalcolithic and steppe iranics, i do find it a bit odd they would be closer to balochs and whaever than assyrians or even iraqi arabs(obvs both picked up iranian chalcolithic and whatever native levant they had, iraqi arabs should be even closer than assyrians), but whatever
Theyre western iranics after all(not persianised like afghan tajiks, like legit west iranics. Theyre just west iranics who mixed with indus farmers that pulled them more from west asia since they turned more iran n and significanly aasi shifted.
Apparently our friend Borealis doesn't even know that they are NW iranics since he's asking about proof of a large scale migration from NW Iran lol.
That's ok I don't expect S. Indians to know much about Iranic history since they're far away from us relatively speaking.
Question 1 : From NW Iran are they most related to Kurds, Armenians, or Azeris ?
For a moment let's pretend that we didn't have DNA. Since we know Baloch are NW Iranic ( they descend from Medians and Parthians just like Kurds) we have to ask the question what ethnic group in NW Iran. Would they be related to Armenians, Azeris or Kurds ?
Fortunately based on their Kurdish being closest to Balochi, and NOT Armenian or Azeri, the answer is obvious. They're most related to Kurds and NOT Armenians or Azeris from the NW IRANICS.
Question 1 was easy we didn't even need DNA.
Question 2: How long has it been since they moved from NW Iran to SE Iran?.
The answer to this question will determine whether they're genetically closer to Pashtuns, Persians or Kurds. Obviously if they've only been there less than 2000 years they'll still genomewide be more related to Kurds. If they moved there further back they may be more related to Persians and Pashtuns.
To answer this question we need to really dig in the DNA using powerful tools and I don't mean Harappaworld calculator. I mean something used for this type of analysis in the scientific world such as f3s, dstats, qpWave, IBS, IBD. IMO we should do analysis using all these 5 tools mentioned so we don't have someone like Borealis defending his positon with 1 Harappaworld calculator which no one in the scientific community would take seriously if it contradicted the 5 tools I mentioned.
Therefore to settle this once and for all and figure out how long they've been in SE Iran I'll take my time and analyze Baloch with ALL 5 tools and if someone like Borealis would like to do it themselves they should learn how to use ALL 5 tools.
Trouble
07-09-2020, 06:44 PM
No need to get so defensive. There are many people that comment on your threads and not all of them are west asian or speakers of any iranian language. It doesn't rule out what they have to say. In addition everything I've said here has already been said by others in some form or another.
First of all, I never mentioned Harappaworld. In fact I've said myself that I find Harappaworld unreliable and with its own weaknesses. I'm not saying the methods you used are not valid it's just that I would prefer to see the same results from professional researchers and not just random individuals who built their own calculators(with who knows what defects).
Secondly I am aware that the Baloch speak a NW Iranian language in fact I've mentioned it in the past myself. However they are not a NW Iranian people. What you've claimed in the past is that Kurds are closer to Baloch than they are to some neighboring groups like Armenians which is on its face ludicrous. I acknowledge that Baloch are a distinctive population even within SC Asia and that they are transitional between NW South Asians and plateau Iranians. But Kurds on the other hand are a firmly west asian group. If there was a migration from NW Iran to Balochistan then for Baloch to be as close to Kurds as you claim(even closer than Assyrians/Armenians are to Kurds), there would have had to be at least an 80-90% population replacement of the native people of the baloch region which sounds crazy. It might've been closer to 20-30% admixture.
You have mentioned that this population movement from NW-SE is "ancient" and needs a special secret calculator to reveal, yet Ashkenazi Jews who have lived in central and eastern Europe for many centuries still show a powerful shift towards the Mediterranean and cluster closer to Levant than their host populations despite the migration having been ancient. No special calculator is needed to see that at all.
Using Vahaduo I get these values. Notice, 1)Kurds are closer to Caucasus pops than Baloch and 2)Baloch are actually, by a slight margin, closer to Azeris than Kurds. But pretty much identical.
Distance to: Balochi
0.07458534 Sindhi
0.12050909 Azeri
0.12168642 Kurdish
0.13876506 Chechen
0.15475561 Assyrian
0.16227835 Armenian
0.16647464 Georgian_Imer
0.16726103 Armenian_Hemsheni
Distance to: Kurdish
0.03271482 Azeri
0.03813843 Assyrian
0.04428048 Armenian
0.05376121 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.07162040 Georgian_Imer
0.07278810 Chechen
0.12168642 Balochi
Now Im going to model Baloch as a mixture of Kurds and NW S Asians, ready?
Target: Balochi
Distance: 3.9509% / 0.03950871
64.6 Sindhi
35.4 Kurdish
Only 35% Kurdish and the fit is not good either.
Inserting south iranians into the same model(keep in mind Kurdish is still there), we get:
Target: Balochi
Distance: 2.8963% / 0.02896292
62.4 Iranian_Bandari
37.6 Sindhi
No Kurdish at all, much better fit.
Secondly I am aware that the Baloch speak a NW Iranian language in fact I've mentioned it in the past myself. However they are not a NW Iranian people.
Of course not. They've always lived in SE Iran/SW Pakistan. Some Kurdish deity descended from the heavens and ordered them to change whatever their native tongue was at the time to Kurdish like and they obliged.
Using Vahaduo I get these values.
Please don't throw Vahaduo crap in my face. It's definitely not the scientific acceptable tool for fine scale one-to-one analysis.
Here are Dstats one-to-one (scientifically acceptable) which very CLEARLY and show that Kurds share more DERIVED ALLELES with Baloch/Brahui than other Iranians and SC Asians. This means that they have not been in SE Iran long enough for their genetic affinity to Kurds to shift to SC Asians or Iranians
In the interest of truth and fairness I will say that any Z values less than 1 are not clear evidence thus I shaded those purple.
Also in the interest of TRUTH & FAIRNESS I'll go the added mile and over the next few days post other types of Kurds as well (not just Feyli Kurds).
Also in the interest of TRUTH & FAIRNESS I'll go another added mile and over the next few days post qpWave results also (also scientifically acceptable one-to-one analysis)
I'm not even going to bother to discuss our similar tribal names and other non-DNA evidence with you since you not being a Kurd it would be greek to you.
Here are the DSTATS. Please remember in science the burden of proof is on you to show that I fudged these DSTATS for whatever fucking reason. So if you want to do that go for it and start learning how to run them yourself.
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KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0158
3.99
23016
22298
325524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0111
3.189
23363
22849
336310
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0101
2.11
29953
29354
430524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0093
2.72
29910
29358
433276
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0086
2.593
29052
28554
422861
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0082
1.83
29903
29418
432645
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0081
2.381
29110
28645
422862
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0072
2.297
29480
29060
422874
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0019
0.424
29698
29584
431565
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0007
0.152
29766
29727
433294
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0009
-0.21
29778
29835
434300
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0133
3.499
22875
22274
324251
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0089
1.975
29780
29255
428926
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0084
1.946
29731
29236
431210
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0075
2.122
23178
22835
334996
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0069
2.018
28873
28475
421257
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0039
1.157
28829
28603
421258
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.003
0.898
29633
29456
431652
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0029
0.647
29577
29407
430289
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0026
0.841
29192
29040
421270
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0013
-0.297
29539
29615
431866
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0043
-0.985
29449
29704
432664
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0125
3.374
29351
28627
423202
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0076
1.924
22495
22157
318759
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0049
1.04
29090
28807
418843
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0042
1.226
22853
22663
329207
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.824
29076
28922
421661
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0023
0.504
29031
28900
419623
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0017
0.508
29109
29008
423200
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0008
0.184
29064
29018
420822
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0023
-0.734
29409
29542
423211
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.004
-0.888
28951
29181
421453
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0045
-1.004
28948
29210
422466
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0115
3.344
29134
28473
422277
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0064
1.953
28962
28594
420738
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0059
1.538
22320
22057
318094
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0051
1.517
28998
28706
422275
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.004
1.164
22701
22519
328504
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0036
0.817
28885
28676
418702
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.581
28843
28686
417927
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0005
0.11
28795
28768
419900
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0017
-0.533
29227
29323
422285
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0021
-0.504
28883
29006
421541
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0042
-0.945
28777
29019
420533
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henry007
07-09-2020, 08:00 PM
I mean, im not going by borelieas logic and i do think balochs are west iranics who recieved shahr e sokteh ancestry, but how are kurds closer to balochs and brahuis than other wes iranics like persians? Theyre rather around the same.
I mean, im not going by borelieas logic and i do think balochs are west iranics who recieved shahr e sokteh ancestry, but how are kurds closer to balochs and brahuis than other wes iranics like persians? Theyre rather around the same.
I realize that most people here are not very familiar with formal DNA tools so I tried to make it easier to read the tables (also i feel to be fair it's my duty to point out whenever the data shows a close tie)
So anything shaded purple the Z value is less than 1 meaning it's a close tie meaning that Feyli Kurds share more derived alleles with Baloch/Brahui by an insignificant amount meaning the purple shaded ones are almost indistinguishable from Feyli Kurds with regards to closeness to Baloch/Brahui.
Feyli Kurds share significantly more derived alleles with Baloch/Brahui than the pops at the top of the table and this includes Shahr-Sokhteh
Like I said in the interest of being super fair I'll post more DNA data over the next couple of days.
If anyone is interested in the exact no of derived alleles
ABAB column: no of derived alleles shared Kurds-Baloch/Brahui
ABBA column: no of derived alleles shared TEST-Baloch/Brahui
henry007
07-09-2020, 10:15 PM
How do kurds have around same affinity to west iranians, almost same mix as kurds, as they do to pashtuns, balochs and punjabis(balochs being west iranics with almost as much indus farmer ancestry as pashtuns + some african, punjabis with less west eurasian indus farmer ancestry and lower steppe and pashtuns being a result of steppe iranic alike people with indus farmer ancestry)?
How do kurds have around same affinity to west iranians, almost same mix as kurds, as they do to pashtuns, balochs and punjabis(balochs being west iranics with almost as much indus farmer ancestry as pashtuns + some african, punjabis with less west eurasian indus farmer ancestry and lower steppe and pashtuns being a result of steppe iranic alike people with indus farmer ancestry)?
You're either misinterpreting the Dstats or reading too much into them. All they show is Feyli Kurds in this case share SIGNIFICANTLY more derived alleles with Iranian Baloch and Pak Brahui than MOST Iranians and SC Asians
Avicenna
07-10-2020, 12:00 AM
How do kurds have around same affinity to west iranians, almost same mix as kurds, as they do to pashtuns, balochs and punjabis(balochs being west iranics with almost as much indus farmer ancestry as pashtuns + some african, punjabis with less west eurasian indus farmer ancestry and lower steppe and pashtuns being a result of steppe iranic alike people with indus farmer ancestry)?
+BMAC significantly ...
Trouble
07-10-2020, 12:05 AM
Of course not. They've always lived in SE Iran/SW Pakistan. Some Kurdish deity descended from the heavens and ordered them to change whatever their native tongue was at the time to Kurdish like and they obliged.
Please don't throw Vahaduo crap in my face. It's definitely not the scientific acceptable tool for fine scale one-to-one analysis.
Here are Dstats one-to-one (scientifically acceptable) which very CLEARLY and show that Kurds share more DERIVED ALLELES with Baloch/Brahui than other Iranians and SC Asians. This means that they have not been in SE Iran long enough for their genetic affinity to Kurds to shift to SC Asians or Iranians
In the interest of truth and fairness I will say that any Z values less than 1 are not clear evidence thus I shaded those purple.
Also in the interest of TRUTH & FAIRNESS I'll go the added mile and over the next few days post other types of Kurds as well (not just Feyli Kurds).
Also in the interest of TRUTH & FAIRNESS I'll go another added mile and over the next few days post qpWave results also (also scientifically acceptable one-to-one analysis)
I'm not even going to bother to discuss our similar tribal names and other non-DNA evidence with you since you not being a Kurd it would be greek to you.
Here are the DSTATS. Please remember in science the burden of proof is on you to show that I fudged these DSTATS for whatever fucking reason. So if you want to do that go for it and start learning how to run them yourself.
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KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0158
3.99
23016
22298
325524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0111
3.189
23363
22849
336310
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0101
2.11
29953
29354
430524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0093
2.72
29910
29358
433276
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0086
2.593
29052
28554
422861
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0082
1.83
29903
29418
432645
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0081
2.381
29110
28645
422862
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0072
2.297
29480
29060
422874
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0019
0.424
29698
29584
431565
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0007
0.152
29766
29727
433294
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0009
-0.21
29778
29835
434300
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0133
3.499
22875
22274
324251
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0089
1.975
29780
29255
428926
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0084
1.946
29731
29236
431210
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0075
2.122
23178
22835
334996
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0069
2.018
28873
28475
421257
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0039
1.157
28829
28603
421258
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.003
0.898
29633
29456
431652
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0029
0.647
29577
29407
430289
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0026
0.841
29192
29040
421270
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0013
-0.297
29539
29615
431866
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0043
-0.985
29449
29704
432664
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0125
3.374
29351
28627
423202
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0076
1.924
22495
22157
318759
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0049
1.04
29090
28807
418843
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0042
1.226
22853
22663
329207
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.824
29076
28922
421661
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0023
0.504
29031
28900
419623
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0017
0.508
29109
29008
423200
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0008
0.184
29064
29018
420822
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0023
-0.734
29409
29542
423211
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.004
-0.888
28951
29181
421453
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0045
-1.004
28948
29210
422466
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0115
3.344
29134
28473
422277
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0064
1.953
28962
28594
420738
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0059
1.538
22320
22057
318094
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0051
1.517
28998
28706
422275
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.004
1.164
22701
22519
328504
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0036
0.817
28885
28676
418702
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.581
28843
28686
417927
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0005
0.11
28795
28768
419900
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0017
-0.533
29227
29323
422285
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0021
-0.504
28883
29006
421541
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0042
-0.945
28777
29019
420533
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>Thinks he is a historical expert
>Doesn't know about elite dominance
Lol, look, I and others here have already figured out you are the user "Kurd". I have no problem with that except for the fact that for some reason you are hiding behind anonymity as some "friend" of his. And I'm quite conscious of your agenda too. You are part Kurdish and part Baloch. From what I've seen on these forums, people of mixed ethnicities often like to draw them together and make them seem not all that different even if they are.
Based on your irritated responses, it seems like you aren't arguing in good faith. Look at my comments and tell me where I seem as angry as you? No, because I just want to get to the bottom of it. If you are correct and give me actual proof then I will instantly and gladly admit to being wrong.
And no, I never claimed that you were "fudging" these D-stats, although now that you mentioned it I might suspect it. All I was saying was that I don't know how reliable your system/calculator is and if it's set up to be accurate so I'd need outside verification through other means. But you don't provide that and say that everything outside the values that YOU put out is wrong somehow.
And here are some F-stats by the way, taken off this website:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/05/open-analysis-thread-genetic-distance.html
Kurdish-Assyrian: 0.003
Kurdish-Armenian: 0.002
Kurdish-Azeri: 0(!!!)
Kurdish-Georgian: 0.005
Kurdish-Balochi: 0.009
>Thinks he is a historical expert
>Doesn't know about elite dominance
Lol never heard of it why don't you teach me smarty. Look the only elite dominance Kurds practiced over the Baloch was 500 years ago in a relatively small area around Khash, Balochistan, Iran. That's when Shah Abbas sent some Zangana Kurd tribes from near the Iran/ Iraq border to bring law and order to Balochistan and collect taxes for the Shah. This obviously would not explain the Balochi language spoken by the Baloch.
If you really want to educate yourself about Kurd history in Balochistan you can start off by locating the Master Degree thesis written by Jane Bestor written in 1979. She now teaches at Harvard University. She lived for 6 month with the Kurds of Iranian Balochistan and her 250 page thesis has alot of great info. Here are excerpts
https://i.imgur.com/8uFImwF.png
https://i.imgur.com/1NDBtAh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yTf8Yer.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uEaG5MY.jpg
Lol, look, I and others here have already figured out you are the user "Kurd".
Thanks for the compliment but I assure you I'm not him. I do have a background in Microbiology and am related to him but not through his Balochi side and I'm thankful to him for mentoring me.
Based on your irritated responses, it seems like you aren't arguing in good faith.
How do you expect me to react when you throw Vahaduo crap at me which is meaningless in the scientific world. Give me Dstats, f3s, qpWave, IBD and I assure you I'll be much more receptive
give me actual proof then I will instantly and gladly admit to being wrong.
If Dstats, qpWave, qpAdm, f3s, IBD is not good enough proof for you then nothing will be good enough for you. My suggestion to you is learn some genetics and bioinformatics so that you can appreciate these scientific tools
All I was saying was that I don't know how reliable your system/calculator is and if it's set up to be accurate so I'd need outside verification through other means. But you don't provide that and say that everything outside the values that YOU put out is wrong somehow.
Dstats, qpWave, f3s are NOT my calculator. They were made by the folks at Harvard and Broad Institute. My methodology is an open book. If you want to replicate my work:
Get the Reich lab 1240K dataset which contains the public samples I use.
Use qpdstat program inside ADMIXTOOLS
And here are some F-stats by the way, taken off this website:
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/05/open-analysis-thread-genetic-distance.html
Kurdish-Assyrian: 0.003
Kurdish-Armenian: 0.002
Kurdish-Azeri: 0(!!!)
Kurdish-Georgian: 0.005
Kurdish-Balochi: 0.009
Wtf is this ??
Avicenna
07-10-2020, 01:29 AM
@borealis and Henry just stop LOL . Punching way above your weights fellas .
Trouble
07-10-2020, 04:01 AM
Lol never heard of it why don't you teach me smarty. Look the only elite dominance Kurds practiced over the Baloch was 500 years ago in a relatively small area around Khash, Balochistan, Iran. That's when Shah Abbas sent some Zangana Kurd tribes from near the Iran/ Iraq border to bring law and order to Balochistan and collect taxes for the Shah. This obviously would not explain the Balochi language spoken by the Baloch.
What I was referring to was a migration of NW Iranian speakers into Balochistan. These NW Iranian speakers were not Kurds but might've been proto-Kurds or something else entirely. There could have been a migration of such linguistic groups into Balochistan who came and gave their language to the people and left a minor(not substantial) genetic print on the local populace.
If you really want to educate yourself about Kurd history in Balochistan you can start off by locating the Master Degree thesis written by Jane Bestor written in 1979. She now teaches at Harvard University. She lived for 6 month with the Kurds of Iranian Balochistan and her 250 page thesis has alot of great info. Here are excerpts
Assuming they haven't mixed with locals, how close would these recent migrants to Balochistan be to regular Baloch/Brahui people? Kurds in Kurdistan, then not very.
Thanks for the compliment but I assure you I'm not him. I do have a background in Microbiology and am related to him but not through his Balochi side and I'm thankful to him for mentoring me.
Whatever you say man.
How do you expect me to react when you throw Vahaduo crap at me which is meaningless in the scientific world. Give me Dstats, f3s, qpWave, IBD and I assure you I'll be much more receptive
Dstats, qpWave, f3s are NOT my calculator. They were made by the folks at Harvard and Broad Institute. My methodology is an open book. If you want to replicate my work:
Get the Reich lab 1240K dataset which contains the public samples I use.
Use qpdstat program inside ADMIXTOOLS
I'll see if there is any possible way to replicate those values.
Wtf is this ??
Fst(Fixation Index)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index
henry007
07-10-2020, 08:59 AM
@borealis and Henry just stop LOL . Punching way above your weights fellas .
WHat, i have right to ask questions or have my opinions, if i can. Im not doubting zoro entirely and i agree with him on many parts(not all though)
henry007
07-10-2020, 03:28 PM
"All they show is Feyli Kurds in this case share SIGNIFICANTLY more derived alleles with Iranian Baloch and Pak Brahui"
How do they do that, when all west iranics like persians, azeris and kurds came from same ancestors(specially persians and kurds), but balochs migrated towards south iran and picked up indus farmer, which should make kurds more closer to all west iranians than balochs and brahuis(even some of the west iranians are somewhat more distant to feyli kurds than brahuis and balochs are)? Even having around same alleles sounds odd to me. Makes more sense kurds would been FAR closer to west iranians/persians than balochs/brahuis, in ALL ways, maybe except language(but kurdish probably also is very similiar to persian i assume....everytime i hear kurdish, it sounds a bit arabic and persian too + a bit turkish. Cant understand persian, kurdish, even wakhi at all)
Trouble
07-10-2020, 06:42 PM
@borealis and Henry just stop LOL . Punching way above your weights fellas .
Are you actually reading this conversation or are you only accepting what you want to hear.
"All they show is Feyli Kurds in this case share SIGNIFICANTLY more derived alleles with Iranian Baloch and Pak Brahui"
How do they do that, when all west iranics like persians, azeris and kurds came from same ancestors(specially persians and kurds), but balochs migrated towards south iran and picked up indus farmer, which should make kurds more closer to all west iranians than balochs and brahuis(even some of the west iranians are somewhat more distant to feyli kurds than brahuis and balochs are)? Even having around same alleles sounds odd to me. Makes more sense kurds would been FAR closer to west iranians/persians than balochs/brahuis, in ALL ways, maybe except language(but kurdish probably also is very similiar to persian i assume....everytime i hear kurdish, it sounds a bit arabic and persian too + a bit turkish. Cant understand persian, kurdish, even wakhi at all)
I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand. It's pretty simple. Kurds are closer to Persians and Azeris than Baloch while at the same time Baloch are closer to Kurds than to Persians and Azeris and other SC Asians.
You guys need to read up on the concept of genetic drift and phylogenetic tree topology and branch lengths.
This simplified drawing illustrates that Kurds can be closer to Persians while at the same time Baloch closer to Kurds than Persians. Kurds are closer to Baloch than other W. Iranians and SC Asians are to Baloch while at the same time other W. Iranians and Azeris are closer to Kurds than Baloch are to Kurds. These things are not mutually exclusive. It's not that difficult to understand.
https://i.imgur.com/3HJ9yPo.jpg
The above tree also explains why Kurdish is closest to Balochi language and that Balochi/Kurdish are on the Parthian branch below. Makes perfect sense !
https://i.imgur.com/vDuXrQM.png
Trouble
07-10-2020, 07:16 PM
The problem is you insinuated that Kurds are closer to Baloch than they are to Assyrians or Armenians which can’t be true.
And Kurds being more ANF and less Iran-N shifted than Persians cannot be closer to Baloch than Persians are.
The problem is you insinuated that Kurds are closer to Baloch than they are to Assyrians or Armenians which can’t be true. FALSE. I said that Kurds share more derived alleles with Brahui/Balochi than other Iranians and SC Asians share with Brahui/Balochi and in many cases significantly so. Dstats I posted support this also so does Baloch and their language being NW Iranian. It's YOU and Henry who don't CAREFULLY read what I post and automatically assumed this means Baloch/Brahui are closer to Kurds than Azeris/other Iranians/Armenians are to Kurds. Learn to read more carefully what I write !
And Kurds being more ANF and less Iran-N shifted than Persians cannot be closer to Baloch than Persians are This is very shallow thinking that ANF is the only thing at play here. The Harvard paper showed that SC Asians and S Asians have significant ANF more than what you guys have been BRAINWASHED to believe by Admxture calculators and G25. See how much ANF BMAC and Swat IA (30%) and SIS have. There are many other geneflows at play here https://i.imgur.com/Q4ExhQm.jpg
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KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0158
3.99
23016
22298
325524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0111
3.189
23363
22849
336310
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0101
2.11
29953
29354
430524
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0093
2.72
29910
29358
433276
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0086
2.593
29052
28554
422861
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0082
1.83
29903
29418
432645
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0081
2.381
29110
28645
422862
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0072
2.297
29480
29060
422874
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0019
0.424
29698
29584
431565
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0007
0.152
29766
29727
433294
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch1_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0009
-0.21
29778
29835
434300
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0133
3.499
22875
22274
324251
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0089
1.975
29780
29255
428926
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0084
1.946
29731
29236
431210
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0075
2.122
23178
22835
334996
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0069
2.018
28873
28475
421257
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0039
1.157
28829
28603
421258
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.003
0.898
29633
29456
431652
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0029
0.647
29577
29407
430289
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
0.0026
0.841
29192
29040
421270
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0013
-0.297
29539
29615
431866
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Baloch2_IR
Hg19 Reference
-0.0043
-0.985
29449
29704
432664
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0125
3.374
29351
28627
423202
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0076
1.924
22495
22157
318759
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0049
1.04
29090
28807
418843
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0042
1.226
22853
22663
329207
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.824
29076
28922
421661
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0023
0.504
29031
28900
419623
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0017
0.508
29109
29008
423200
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0008
0.184
29064
29018
420822
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0023
-0.734
29409
29542
423211
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.004
-0.888
28951
29181
421453
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui2.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0045
-1.004
28948
29210
422466
KURDS
TEST
BALOCH
OUTGROUP
D
Z
ABAB
ABBA
SNPs
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Jew_Iraqi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0115
3.344
29134
28473
422277
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_NW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0064
1.953
28962
28594
420738
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA2_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0059
1.538
22320
22057
318094
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0051
1.517
28998
28706
422275
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.004
1.164
22701
22519
328504
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Iranian_SW
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0036
0.817
28885
28676
418702
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak2
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0027
0.581
28843
28686
417927
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
0.0005
0.11
28795
28768
419900
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Punjabi
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0017
-0.533
29227
29323
422285
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun2_Afg
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0021
-0.504
28883
29006
421541
Kurds_Feyli_IQ
Pashtun_Pak
Brahui1.DG
Hg19 Reference
-0.0042
-0.945
28777
29019
420533
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Avicenna
07-10-2020, 08:10 PM
Are you actually reading this conversation or are you only accepting what you want to hear.
Bro the only person who we suspect is not reading this conversation is you man . You keep insinuating how it's not possible that Kurds to be close to balochis compare to their neighbours yet COMPLETLEY ignoring the methods , reasoning and conclusion in which Zoro presented to you.
henry007
07-10-2020, 08:56 PM
I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand. It's pretty simple. Kurds are closer to Persians and Azeris than Baloch while at the same time Baloch are closer to Kurds than to Persians and Azeris and other SC Asians.
You guys need to read up on the concept of genetic drift and phylogenetic tree topology and branch lengths.
This simplified drawing illustrates that Kurds can be closer to Persians while at the same time Baloch closer to Kurds than Persians. Kurds are closer to Baloch than other W. Iranians and SC Asians are to Baloch while at the same time other W. Iranians and Azeris are closer to Kurds than Baloch are to Kurds. These things are not mutually exclusive. It's not that difficult to understand.
https://i.imgur.com/3HJ9yPo.jpg
The above tree also explains why Kurdish is closest to Balochi language and that Balochi/Kurdish are on the Parthian branch below. Makes perfect sense !
https://i.imgur.com/vDuXrQM.png
Well, i Can easily go by that Then. Yeah it Makes sense. But it sounded like to me you were implying that kurds are equally AS close to balochs AS to other West iranics and Afghans included too, When you showed me the table and Said that the samples in the purple means having equal allelles with the iranian balochs, Which i thought meant that What i thought you Said.
This Makes a lot more sense to me
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