My father's G25 results

[Chris596]

This was done by Kaspias and therefore I'm infinitely grateful to him! :) The moment of truth: my father is really southern shifted so this is why I'm so much Balkanic. He's around 10% Turkic as well so it makes sense that I am about 5% Turkic.

I don't want to share here pictures of him but he has black hair, grey eyes and a somewhat ,,flat'' head, mesomorph body type, average height.

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 4.3192% / 0.04319170
58.4 Balkanic
32.2 Slavic
9.4 Turkic

Target: ChrisF2
Distance: 4.7655% / 0.04765495
48.6 TUR_Barcin_N = EEF
26.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara = STEPPE
10.8 WHG = WHG
10.2 GEO_CHG = CHG
4.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N = EAST EURASIAN


Distance to: ChrisF
0.04441935 Gagauz
0.04554132 Bulgarian
0.04726216 Macedonian
0.04839853 Romanian
0.05057436 Montenegrin
0.05165587 Moldovan
0.05275629 Serbian
0.05291531 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.05555766 Albanian
0.05694813 Turkish_Balkans
0.05703900 Bosnian
0.05824449 Italian_Northeast
0.05981713 Greek_Thessaly
0.06175332 Italian_Veneto
0.06224858 Swiss_Italian
0.06327295 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.06528688 Croatian
0.06545863 Italian_Piedmont
0.06598317 Italian_Liguria
0.06610238 Greek_Peloponnese
0.06829705 French_Provence
0.06929348 Slovenian
0.06953141 Italian_Tuscany
0.06973420 Italian_Bergamo
0.06986151 Austrian

What do you think about these results?

[Luke35]

Very cool!

What does he get with this Kaspias/Imre model?


East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.021 5587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185


Here are my dad's results (also isolated by Kaspias as you know). For people that don't know, my father is half Transdanubian and half Alfold.

Target: MrG_dad
Distance: 2.5994% / 0.02599411
48.2 East_Balkan
25.8 Slavic
23.8 Germanic
1.2 Turkic
1.0 West_Balkan

Target: MrG_dad
Distance: 2.6133% / 0.02613344 | ADC: 0.25x
49.4 East_Balkan
26.6 Germanic
24.0 Slavic

[Chris596]

Ohh and forgot to answer one of the hottest questions about my ancestry: he's really not Germanic :thumb001:

[Chris596]

Very cool!

What does he get with this Kaspias/Imre model?

This is what he gets, just Slavic, Balkanic and Turkic (what I also am at the end of the day) :)

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 4.4245% / 0.04424550
40.6 Slavic
36.4 South_Balkan
15.8 East_Balkan
7.2 Turkic

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 4.5918% / 0.04591797 | ADC: 0.25x
62.6 East_Balkan
26.4 Slavic
11.0 South_Balkan

[Ljubic]

Can you show his K13? Id like to see his components.

[Chris596]

Can you show his K13? Id like to see his components.

Unfortunately I can't show you because his G25 results were isolated from my results (as far as I know this is a reliable method, so at least we can see his ancestry on G25 which is enough for me).

[Luke35]

Interesting that the G25 Hungarian average get's notable Germanic using the above model:


Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.2626% / 0.01262641
43.8 Slavic
30.8 Germanic
23.8 East_Balkan
1.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.3162% / 0.01316244 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0 Slavic
32.4 Germanic
26.6 East_Balkan


Also it seems to have generally more Slavic and less Balkan than either of our father's score.

[Chris596]

Interesting that the G25 Hungarian average get's notable Germanic using the above model:


Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.2626% / 0.01262641
43.8 Slavic
30.8 Germanic
23.8 East_Balkan
1.6 Turkic

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 1.3162% / 0.01316244 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0 Slavic
32.4 Germanic
26.6 East_Balkan


Also it seems to have generally more Slavic and less Balkan than either of our father's score.

You are right! Probably more than 50% Hungarians have at least some Germanic blood. My conclusion: my ancestry really consists of East Asians who mixed with East/Southeast European people and that's it basically. Plain and simple haha. Your father has also high Balkan ancestry because his ancestry is also more ,,local'' (this is my opinion, maybe I create nonsense theories here).

[gixajo]

Unfortunately I can't show you because his G25 results were isolated from my results (as far as I know this is a reliable method, so at least we can see his ancestry on G25 which is enough for me).

Take into account that if Kaspias used a similar Gedmatch-based method as the one I described, those are not actually your father results,(as much as you like them because they tell you something you like), they may get quite close, or they may not.

[17571imre]

This is what he gets, just Slavic, Balkanic and Turkic (what I also am at the end of the day) :)

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 4.4245% / 0.04424550
40.6 Slavic
36.4 South_Balkan
15.8 East_Balkan
7.2 Turkic

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 4.5918% / 0.04591797 | ADC: 0.25x
62.6 East_Balkan
26.4 Slavic
11.0 South_Balkan

my mothers results for comparising:


Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.3624% / 0.02362438
53.8 Slavic
28.6 East_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
6.8 Turkic
1.2 South_Balkan

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.5401% / 0.02540054 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Slavic
43.8 East_Balkan
5.2 Germanic
0.4 Turkic

my mother scores almost the same Turkic as your Father. very cool.

[Ion Basescul]

I think that you shouldn't be surprised that his results are completely different from the predicted kit. I had done those too for my father before testing him and they diverge quite a bit.
That's because while we inherit 50% from each parent, what you get in those 50% can be anything out of their 100%. You don't simply get everything from one parent divided by 2, if that makes sense.

[Kaspias]

Take into account that if Kaspias used a similar Gedmatch-based method as the one I described, those are not actually your father results,(as much as you like them because they tell you something you like), they may get quite close, or they may not.

These coordinates show what exactly Chris inherited from his father but there is a factor that there are also not inherited ones. This is kind of a low SNP kit of his father. Cannot even be compared to the Gedmatch method in terms of reliability as the spreading of components are totally random in there. But not super accurate either.

[Luke35]

I think that you shouldn't be surprised that his results are completely different from the predicted kit. I had done those too for my father before testing him and they diverge quite a bit.
That's because while we inherit 50% from each parent, what you get in those 50% can be anything out of their 100%. You don't simply get everything from one parent divided by 2, if that makes sense.

That's right.

But I have to say Kaspias is using a method (superior to phasing imo) that seems tp be pretty accurate as far as showing what you inherited from that parent.

[gixajo]

These coordinates show what exactly Chris inherited from his father but there is a factor that there are also not inherited ones. This is kind of a low SNP kit of his father. Cannot even be compared to the Gedmatch method in terms of reliability as the spreading of components are totally random in there. But not super accurate either.

How did you do those coordinates?

If you did not use the gedmatch help/crutch, or you know to which component each coordinate corresponds and you changed them manually, or you have a multivariate statistical tool to handle raw data.

[gixajo]

Or based on his family origins, you made coordinates mean/averages with coordinates availables in individual or pop averages datasheet, but this is even less accurate than basing you in gedmatch...

[Kaspias]

How did you do those coordinates?

If you did not use the gedmatch help/crutch, or you know to which component each coordinate corresponds and you changed them manually, or you have a multivariate statistical tool to handle raw data.

PCA is not working in same function as Gedmatch components(Getting 1% more NA in Eurogenes K13 can significantly shift your position in a PCA, but writing slightly different coordinates won't change your position in PCA). I'm creating a middle point by using a reference either according to one parent's own results or using a reference point. In Chris's case, I had to use a reference for his mother which I should create myself. I plotted all Hungarian samples and diverged them according to where they plot.

https://i.ibb.co/K9jgxbQ/PC1.png

Cluster 1 is came out that Germanic shifted ones which Chris absolutely lack of so I eliminated it directly. Then took the average of 2 and 3, subtracted Chris's father coordinates by using both of it. Cluster 2 was a middle point and samples were probably from Budapest, while 3 was significantly Slavic shifted as what Alföld individuals get.

I checked the output both 2 and 3 gave me and couldn't find a meaningful difference, and prefered to use 3's output as it is more realistic. Then made a quality control process by plotting Chris in PCA with other G25 samples. Moreover, I also subtracted coordinates with each sample present in cluster 2 and 3 then plotted the output to see the margin of error. All of the outputs created their own cluster in where they plotted at the beginning. This had to mean if Chris's mother have no any exotic admixture, father's results should be in this range. The important thing in this process is finding correct references and I was able to find in the case of Hungarians because I have experience on them. On the other hand, if one would supply one of his parent's coordinates as Mr.G did, there is literally no margin of error in the process and it will show what you inherited exactly.

In this case, considering the margin of error as it is not supplied by an actual parent data, there might be some changes in the single population rank for example Romanian above Bulgarian or whatsoever. But for example, the result which Chris posted(Dacian-Slavic-Turkic) won't change because this is what a person can get who plots in somewhere there. It won't change that his father will be southern shifted etc... But the thing is it is impossible to reach such accuracy in Gedmatch even if you use your parent's raw data for phasing, which I did without even using parent data.

[gixajo]

PCA is not working in same function as Gedmatch components(Getting 1% more NA in Eurogenes K13 can significantly shift your position in a PCA, but writing slightly different coordinates won't change your position in PCA). I'm creating a middle point by using a reference either according to one parent's own results or using a reference point. In Chris's case, I had to use a reference for his mother which I should create myself. I plotted all Hungarian samples and diverged them according to where they plot.



Cluster 1 is came out that Germanic shifted ones which Christ absolutely lack of so I eliminated it directly. Then took the average of 2 and 3, subtracted Chris's father coordinates by using both of it. Cluster 2 was a middle point and samples were probably from Budapest, while 3 was significantly Slavic shifted as what Alföld individuals get.

I checked the output both 2 and 3 gave me and couldn't find a meaningful difference, and prefered to use 3's output as it is more realistic. Then made a quality control process by plotting Chris in PCA with other G25 samples. Moreover, I also subtracted coordinates with each sample present in cluster 2 and 3 then plotted the output to see the margin of error. All of the outputs created their own cluster in where they plotted at the beginning. This had to mean if Chris's mother have no any exotic admixture, father's results should be in this range. The important thing in this process is finding correct references and I was able to find in the case of Hungarians because I have experience on them. On the other hand, if one would supply one of his parent's coordinates as Mr.G did, there is literally no margin of error in the process and it will show what you inherited exactly.

In this case, considering the margin of error as it is not supplied by an actual parent data, there might be some changes in the single population rank for example Romanian above Bulgarian or whatsoever. But for example, the result which Chris posted(Dacian-Slavic-Turkic) won't change because this is what a person can get who plots in somewhere there. It won't change that his father will be southern shifted etc... But the thing is it is impossible to reach such accuracy in Gedmatch even if you use your parent's raw data for phasing, which I did without even using parent data.

I don´t think the margin of error is very distant from this one of the gedmatch based method, but it´s a very good idea.

It´s a G25 Hungarian samples PCA?

If you want to orient yourself on how a son and his parents plot in a pca of the G25 I can pass mine and my parents', basically a son plots at the midpoint of a segment whose ends are his parents. What I don't know very well, is how you calculate from a child, the distance at which their parents are in that segment.

[Luke35]

On the other hand, if one would supply one of his parent's coordinates as Mr.G did, there is literally no margin of error in the process and it will show what you inherited exactly.

Actually, I have not gotten my mother's coordinates from Davidski yet, you used the method you described above to find my father's coordinates, as I remember (it was months ago). Now that Davidski is back in business, I will send him my mom's data too.

We can re-do my father's coordinates after I have my mother's actual one's available, if you like and if you have time.

I expect the results will be basically the same, the coordinates you already created make good, logical sense.

[gixajo]

Actually, I have not gotten my mother's coordinates from Davidski yet, you used the method you described above to find my father's coordinates, as I remember (it was months ago). Now that Davidski is back in business, I will send him my mom's data too.

We can re-do my father's coordinates after I have my mother's actual one's available, if you like and if you have time.

I expect the results will be basically the same, the coordinates you already created make good, logical sense.

I you have your coordinates and your mother´s coordinates, using your PCA method and adding some maths you could be quite accurate to calculate your father´s ones.

You can base your way in my parents and my results:


(Well not so middlepoint of a line between my father and my mother as I remembered it, sorry, but it can help)

https://i.imgur.com/g2Ep5la.png

And see results and distances.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02410583 gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02411292 gixajo_dad_scaled

And this is not exact but...

(Mother+Father)/2≈Son

So...

Father≈2XSon-Mother

Good luck.

[17571imre]

the method from MrG works also pretty good with this calculator:

i put my moms coordinates in the calculator and then i got this results:


Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.6648% / 0.01664782 | ADC: 0.25x
48.2 cb_scaled (mother)
23.8 Germanic
19.0 East_Balkan
9.0 Slavic

it gives my side that i got form my father my 23.8 Germanic saying that i didnt inherit any Germanic from my mother. and a lot more higher Balkan wich could explain why i score more of it then my mother.
i dont know how accuarte this method is but the results look pretty logical

[Luke35]

the method from MrG works also pretty good with this calculator:

i put my moms coordinates in the calculator and then i got this results:


Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.6648% / 0.01664782 | ADC: 0.25x
48.2 cb_scaled (mother)
23.8 Germanic
19.0 East_Balkan
9.0 Slavic

it gives my side that i got form my father my 23.8 Germanic saying that i didnt inherit any Germanic from my mother. and a lot more higher Balkan wich could explain why i score more of it then my mother.
i dont know how accuarte this method is but the results look pretty logical

Ah yes, my mid-point method for GEDmatch! It requires one parent to be on there already of course.

I like how it worked for Markos recently in his father's thread.

I remember I tried it with Kokeny though, and the numbers I got to represent her father seemed too far fetched. So, again, it may not work well in all cases, for reasons unknown..

*EDIT*

Oh I see, that's your G25, oh okay that looks good. I have not tried that yet with my father's coordinates (to check my maternal side). I will give it a shot now!

[Crimea-Khan]

Those models you ran are "pseudoscience". If you trying know if you have above average Germanic input for.your region use this model.


SAXON:England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747, 0.0569288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0. 0039881,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681
BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2,0.142279,0.126941,0 .108611,0.124033,0.055703,0.051316,0.0094,0.026999 ,-0.009613,-0.054489,0.003897,-0.021281,0.042666,0.037296,-0.02633,-0.001989,0.008996,0.004941,0.002263,0.008504,-0.001747,-0.000989,0.007518,-0.022413,0.004071
ROMAN:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o,0.127482,0.120848,0.065242,0 .076551,0.020927,0.0251,0.009635,0.010153,-0.016362,-0.030069,-0.001786,0.006294,-0.001338,-0.023671,0.027823,0.020154,0.007823,-0.002787,-0.004148,0.003377,0.000499,-0.002597,-0.001232,0.011809,-0.007424
HAN:MNG_Mongol,0.054066,-0.3005965,0.04186,-0.0214795,-0.035545,-0.0051595,0.014101,0.0134995,-0.007056,-0.002096,-0.0403535,-0.0041965,-0.0003715,-6.9e-05,0.002511,0.000464,0.000587,-0.0024705,0.0007545,0.006753,-0.0197155,0.001546,-0.0078265,-0.0005425,0.0026345
EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427,0.118376,0.18178,-0.001131,-0.105622,0.057241,-0.051037,-0.00423,-0.003923,0.039064,0.090207,0.003735,0.013638,-0.019177,-0.007569,-0.046959,-0.004243,0.040028,0.003927,0.004022,-0.013506,-0.012228,0.014096,0.00037,0.001325,-0.004311
OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1,0.118376,0 .110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

[Chris596]

Those models you ran are "pseudoscience". If you trying know if you have above average Germanic input for.your region use this model.


SAXON:England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747, 0.0569288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0. 0039881,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681
BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2,0.142279,0.126941,0 .108611,0.124033,0.055703,0.051316,0.0094,0.026999 ,-0.009613,-0.054489,0.003897,-0.021281,0.042666,0.037296,-0.02633,-0.001989,0.008996,0.004941,0.002263,0.008504,-0.001747,-0.000989,0.007518,-0.022413,0.004071
ROMAN:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o,0.127482,0.120848,0.065242,0 .076551,0.020927,0.0251,0.009635,0.010153,-0.016362,-0.030069,-0.001786,0.006294,-0.001338,-0.023671,0.027823,0.020154,0.007823,-0.002787,-0.004148,0.003377,0.000499,-0.002597,-0.001232,0.011809,-0.007424
HAN:MNG_Mongol,0.054066,-0.3005965,0.04186,-0.0214795,-0.035545,-0.0051595,0.014101,0.0134995,-0.007056,-0.002096,-0.0403535,-0.0041965,-0.0003715,-6.9e-05,0.002511,0.000464,0.000587,-0.0024705,0.0007545,0.006753,-0.0197155,0.001546,-0.0078265,-0.0005425,0.0026345
EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427,0.118376,0.18178,-0.001131,-0.105622,0.057241,-0.051037,-0.00423,-0.003923,0.039064,0.090207,0.003735,0.013638,-0.019177,-0.007569,-0.046959,-0.004243,0.040028,0.003927,0.004022,-0.013506,-0.012228,0.014096,0.00037,0.001325,-0.004311
OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1,0.118376,0 .110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

Wow, so many things happened here while I was gone. Alright, so I believe this is most likely what my father would get, but again I somewhat agree with the other members as well. Anyway, here's the PCA plot of my father and the other result using Crimea-Khan's model:

https://i.imgur.com/rMJ8Ww3.png

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 3.9436% / 0.03943555
33.0 ROMAN
31.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
18.2 EARLY-GREEK
12.0 OTTOMAN-VLAH
5.2 HAN

[gixajo]

I don´t know if this model describes well anything, at least for Spaniards...

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.3983% / 0.03398299
66.6 SAXON
30.0 EARLY-GREEK
3.4 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5447% / 0.03544740
57.4 SAXON
33.0 EARLY-GREEK
9.6 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.1605% / 0.04160509
71.8 SAXON
27.8 EARLY-GREEK
0.4 ROMAN

If I add
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,0.118376,0.1457285,0.0446885,0.013566,0.044 6235,-0.000139,0.0005875,0.007615,0.024441,0.0266065,-0.0080385,0.008917,-0.0064665,-0.006675,0.012079,0.002055,-0.008279,0.004371,-0.000754,0.0027515,-0.0004995,-0.0009275,-0.0056695,0.00241,-0.0022755

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7548% / 0.01754809
92.8 IBERIAN
7.2 EARLY-GREEK

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0292% / 0.02029217
82.4 IBERIAN
14.4 EARLY-GREEK
3.2 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.3714% / 0.02371366
98.6 IBERIAN
1.4 EARLY-GREEK

[Crimea-Khan]

I don´t know if this model describes well anything, at least for Spaniards...

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.3983% / 0.03398299
66.6 SAXON
30.0 EARLY-GREEK
3.4 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5447% / 0.03544740
57.4 SAXON
33.0 EARLY-GREEK
9.6 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.1605% / 0.04160509
71.8 SAXON
27.8 EARLY-GREEK
0.4 ROMAN

If I add
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,0.118376,0.1457285,0.0446885,0.013566,0.044 6235,-0.000139,0.0005875,0.007615,0.024441,0.0266065,-0.0080385,0.008917,-0.0064665,-0.006675,0.012079,0.002055,-0.008279,0.004371,-0.000754,0.0027515,-0.0004995,-0.0009275,-0.0056695,0.00241,-0.0022755

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7548% / 0.01754809
92.8 IBERIAN
7.2 EARLY-GREEK

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0292% / 0.02029217
82.4 IBERIAN
14.4 EARLY-GREEK
3.2 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.3714% / 0.02371366
98.6 IBERIAN
1.4 EARLY-GREEK

It describes that the German Saxons fucked some Italian women in their journey.

[Luso]

I don´t know if this model describes well anything, at least for Spaniards...

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.3983% / 0.03398299
66.6 SAXON
30.0 EARLY-GREEK
3.4 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5447% / 0.03544740
57.4 SAXON
33.0 EARLY-GREEK
9.6 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.1605% / 0.04160509
71.8 SAXON
27.8 EARLY-GREEK
0.4 ROMAN

If I add
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,0.118376,0.1457285,0.0446885,0.013566,0.044 6235,-0.000139,0.0005875,0.007615,0.024441,0.0266065,-0.0080385,0.008917,-0.0064665,-0.006675,0.012079,0.002055,-0.008279,0.004371,-0.000754,0.0027515,-0.0004995,-0.0009275,-0.0056695,0.00241,-0.0022755

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.7548% / 0.01754809
92.8 IBERIAN
7.2 EARLY-GREEK

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0292% / 0.02029217
82.4 IBERIAN
14.4 EARLY-GREEK
3.2 ROMAN

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.3714% / 0.02371366
98.6 IBERIAN
1.4 EARLY-GREEK

yeah I get this:

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 5.1578% / 0.05157816
55.4 SAXON
23.0 EARLY-GREEK
20.0 ROMAN
1.6 HAN

but if I add the iberian code:

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 3.7467% / 0.03746664
82.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
12.2 ROMAN
4.6 EARLY-GREEK
1.2 HAN

The Saxon is GONE lol.

[Crimea-Khan]

Wow, so many things happened here while I was gone. Alright, so I believe this is most likely what my father would get, but again I somewhat agree with the other members as well. Anyway, here's the PCA plot of my father and the other result using Crimea-Khan's model:

https://i.imgur.com/rMJ8Ww3.png

Target: ChrisF
Distance: 3.9436% / 0.03943555
33.0 ROMAN
31.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
18.2 EARLY-GREEK
12.0 OTTOMAN-VLAH
5.2 HAN

Your low Germanic for our region, lower than me I get 1% Saxon above average similar what 23andme give me 1% Northwestern European. I'm actually more Turkic than you tho but you have more of a remnant of Xiongnu Han which are the Huns, it makes sense tho. Romanians are much more Germanic than you ironically.

Target: Evgeni_Scaled
Distance: 1.9488% / 0.01948817
45.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2
21.4 NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o
17.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1
13.6 EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427
1.2 HAN:MNG_Mongol
1.0 SAXON:England_Saxon

[gixajo]

It describes that the German Saxons fucked some Italian women in their journey.

if you say so...:rolleyes:

[Crimea-Khan]

if you say so...:rolleyes:

Science is saying it not me.

[Chris596]

Your low Germanic for our region, lower than me I get 1% Saxon above average similar what 23andme give me 1% Northwestern European. I'm actually more Turkic than you tho but you have more of a remnant of Xiongnu Han which are the Huns, it makes sense tho. Romanians are much more Germanic than you ironically.

Target: Evgeni_Scaled
Distance: 1.9488% / 0.01948817
45.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2
21.4 NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o
17.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1
13.6 EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427
1.2 HAN:MNG_Mongol
1.0 SAXON:England_Saxon

Yep, honestly I don't know how this is possible but my family has never declared itself to be Germanic so this also makes sense I guess :) Those are your results? Interesting, can I ask you what is your ethnicity?

[gixajo]

Science is saying it not me.

"Something that used some method based in Science" is saying something in its language, but I am not sure if you can understand well this language.

[Crimea-Khan]

Yep, honestly I don't know how this is possible but my family has never declared itself to be Germanic so this also makes sense I guess :) Those are your results? Interesting, can I ask you what is your ethnicity?

1/2 Old Vlah from Carpathian Mountains 1/2 Zaporozhian Cossack, with some minor surprises

[gixajo]

yeah I get this:

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 5.1578% / 0.05157816
55.4 SAXON
23.0 EARLY-GREEK
20.0 ROMAN
1.6 HAN

but if I add the iberian code:

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 3.7467% / 0.03746664
82.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
12.2 ROMAN
4.6 EARLY-GREEK
1.2 HAN

The Saxon is GONE lol.

Iberians are Germanic!!!

[17571imre]

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.3570% / 0.01357015
29.2 ROMAN
23.6 SAXON
21.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 EARLY-GREEK
11.2 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.6248% / 0.01624830
45.0 ROMAN
17.2 EARLY-GREEK
16.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 SAXON
8.0 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.5534% / 0.01553441
35.2 ROMAN
26.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
13.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
13.0 SAXON
12.0 EARLY-GREEK

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.6364% / 0.01636393
34.2 ROMAN
28.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
19.0 SAXON
12.4 EARLY-GREEK
4.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.3776% / 0.01377598
40.8 ROMAN
23.4 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
15.8 SAXON
10.6 EARLY-GREEK
7.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

looks like a lot of Saxon for Balkan countries

[gixajo]

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
Distance: 2.9661% / 0.02966089
70.4 SAXON
23.2 EARLY-GREEK
6.0 ROMAN
0.4 HAN

;)

[gixajo]

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.3570% / 0.01357015
29.2 ROMAN
23.6 SAXON
21.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 EARLY-GREEK
11.2 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.6248% / 0.01624830
45.0 ROMAN
17.2 EARLY-GREEK
16.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 SAXON
8.0 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.5534% / 0.01553441
35.2 ROMAN
26.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
13.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
13.0 SAXON
12.0 EARLY-GREEK

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.6364% / 0.01636393
34.2 ROMAN
28.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
19.0 SAXON
12.4 EARLY-GREEK
4.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.3776% / 0.01377598
40.8 ROMAN
23.4 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
15.8 SAXON
10.6 EARLY-GREEK
7.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

looks like a lot of Saxon for Balkan countries

And in Spain and Portugal ;)

[Crimea-Khan]

Target: Romanian
Distance: 1.3570% / 0.01357015
29.2 ROMAN
23.6 SAXON
21.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 EARLY-GREEK
11.2 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.6248% / 0.01624830
45.0 ROMAN
17.2 EARLY-GREEK
16.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
12.8 SAXON
8.0 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 1.5534% / 0.01553441
35.2 ROMAN
26.0 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
13.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
13.0 SAXON
12.0 EARLY-GREEK

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.6364% / 0.01636393
34.2 ROMAN
28.6 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
19.0 SAXON
12.4 EARLY-GREEK
4.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.0 HAN

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.3776% / 0.01377598
40.8 ROMAN
23.4 BALT-SLAV-VIKING
15.8 SAXON
10.6 EARLY-GREEK
7.8 OTTOMAN-VLAH
1.6 HAN

looks like a lot of Saxon for Balkan countries

Distance is good fit.

[Chris596]

looks like a lot of Saxon for Balkan countries

This is what surprises me the most, like how was it left out almost completely from my ancestry? Inbreeding??? lol

[Crimea-Khan]

This is what surprises me the most, like how was it left out almost completely from my ancestry? Inbreeding??? lol

There is some low level Germanic ancestry in BALT-SLAV-VIKING and probably also ROMAN and OTTOMAN-VLAH (Pomak from Macedonia). Your Germanic input seems to stay in boundary of those, similar as mine, and doesn't go into the excess Germanic component SAXON.

[Luso]

Iberians are Germanic!!!

Gonna tell my mom I’m adopted now :rolleyes: I’m Germanic Chinese

[Crimea-Khan]

Gonna tell my mom I’m adopted now :rolleyes:

Quick fact, during migration era of Europe Germanic tribes raided into, North Africa.

[Luso]

Quick fact, during migration era of Europe Germanic tribes raided into, North Africa.

I’d assume through the Iberian Peninsula? They’d have to take boats.

[Defcon2]

Those models you ran are "pseudoscience". If you trying know if you have above average Germanic input for.your region use this model.


SAXON:England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747, 0.0569288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0. 0039881,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681
BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2,0.142279,0.126941,0 .108611,0.124033,0.055703,0.051316,0.0094,0.026999 ,-0.009613,-0.054489,0.003897,-0.021281,0.042666,0.037296,-0.02633,-0.001989,0.008996,0.004941,0.002263,0.008504,-0.001747,-0.000989,0.007518,-0.022413,0.004071
ROMAN:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o,0.127482,0.120848,0.065242,0 .076551,0.020927,0.0251,0.009635,0.010153,-0.016362,-0.030069,-0.001786,0.006294,-0.001338,-0.023671,0.027823,0.020154,0.007823,-0.002787,-0.004148,0.003377,0.000499,-0.002597,-0.001232,0.011809,-0.007424
HAN:MNG_Mongol,0.054066,-0.3005965,0.04186,-0.0214795,-0.035545,-0.0051595,0.014101,0.0134995,-0.007056,-0.002096,-0.0403535,-0.0041965,-0.0003715,-6.9e-05,0.002511,0.000464,0.000587,-0.0024705,0.0007545,0.006753,-0.0197155,0.001546,-0.0078265,-0.0005425,0.0026345
EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427,0.118376,0.18178,-0.001131,-0.105622,0.057241,-0.051037,-0.00423,-0.003923,0.039064,0.090207,0.003735,0.013638,-0.019177,-0.007569,-0.046959,-0.004243,0.040028,0.003927,0.004022,-0.013506,-0.012228,0.014096,0.00037,0.001325,-0.004311
OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1,0.118376,0 .110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239


Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.6585% / 0.03658454
82.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES
12.2 EARLY-GREEK
3.0 ROMAN
2.8 HAN

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.9208% / 0.04920773
56.0 SAXON
30.6 EARLY-GREEK
10.2 ROMAN
3.2 HAN

[Ion Basescul]

This is what surprises me the most, like how was it left out almost completely from my ancestry? Inbreeding??? lol

Isolation, your ancestors probably didn't move around a lot, nor did many foreigners settle among them.

[mitalit]

Those models you ran are "pseudoscience". If you trying know if you have above average Germanic input for.your region use this model.


SAXON:England_Saxon,0.1324615,0.1340499,0.0638747, 0.0569288,0.0411615,0.020568,0.006257,0.0068939,0. 0039881,-0.0024146,-0.0049326,0.0045524,-0.0092914,-0.0124548,0.0242431,0.011237,-0.0030804,0.0015045,0.0052008,0.0066595,0.0053344, 0.0024731,-0.0016482,0.0166438,-0.0008681
BALT-SLAV-VIKING:Baltic_EST_BA:s19_V14_2,0.142279,0.126941,0 .108611,0.124033,0.055703,0.051316,0.0094,0.026999 ,-0.009613,-0.054489,0.003897,-0.021281,0.042666,0.037296,-0.02633,-0.001989,0.008996,0.004941,0.002263,0.008504,-0.001747,-0.000989,0.007518,-0.022413,0.004071
ROMAN:ITA_Rome_Imperial,0.1039821,0.1495156,-0.0235307,-0.0574065,0.0045265,-0.0204055,-0.0011946,-0.0051488,0.0006604,0.0196549,0.0034575,0.0025539,-0.0040602,-0.0014737,-0.0081715,-0.0014474,0.0035992,0.000454,0.0012178,-0.0032854,-0.0025579,0.0020454,-0.0006985,-0.0004845,0.0004141
NORTH-IRANIC:RUS_Poltavka_o,0.127482,0.120848,0.065242,0 .076551,0.020927,0.0251,0.009635,0.010153,-0.016362,-0.030069,-0.001786,0.006294,-0.001338,-0.023671,0.027823,0.020154,0.007823,-0.002787,-0.004148,0.003377,0.000499,-0.002597,-0.001232,0.011809,-0.007424
HAN:MNG_Mongol,0.054066,-0.3005965,0.04186,-0.0214795,-0.035545,-0.0051595,0.014101,0.0134995,-0.007056,-0.002096,-0.0403535,-0.0041965,-0.0003715,-6.9e-05,0.002511,0.000464,0.000587,-0.0024705,0.0007545,0.006753,-0.0197155,0.001546,-0.0078265,-0.0005425,0.0026345
EARLY-GREEK:GRC_N:I5427,0.118376,0.18178,-0.001131,-0.105622,0.057241,-0.051037,-0.00423,-0.003923,0.039064,0.090207,0.003735,0.013638,-0.019177,-0.007569,-0.046959,-0.004243,0.040028,0.003927,0.004022,-0.013506,-0.012228,0.014096,0.00037,0.001325,-0.004311
OTTOMAN-VLAH:Turkish_Balkans:Turkish_Macedonia1,0.118376,0 .110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.8672% / 0.02867161
64.0 SAXON
25.2 EARLY-GREEK
8.2 ROMAN
2.6 HAN

[Crimea-Khan]

I’d assume through the Iberian Peninsula? They’d have to take boats.

I'm not trying to diss with "history has not been kind" this is quote I was able to find when I type in google

TheVandalswere a "barbarian" Germanic people who sacked Rome, battled theHunsand the Goths, and founded a kingdom in North Africa that flourished for about a century until it succumbed to an invasion force from the Byzantine Empire in A.D. 534. History has not been kind to theVandals.

[Luso]

I'm not trying to diss with "history has not been kind" this is quote I was able to find when I type in google

TheVandalswere a "barbarian" Germanic people who sacked Rome, battled theHunsand the Goths, and founded a kingdom in North Africa that flourished for about a century until it succumbed to an invasion force from the Byzantine Empire in A.D. 534. History has not been kind to theVandals.

Oh right. Well that makes sense. In my case any ancient Germanic would be Visigothic though, or perhaps where I’m located (on the wester coast) potentially Viking.

[Crimea-Khan]

Oh right. Well that makes sense. In my case any ancient Germanic would be Visigothic though, or perhaps where I’m located (on the wester coast) potentially Viking.

Probably, but you never know if you a Berber or not.

[Luso]

Probably, but you never know if you a Berber or not.

Well I have some berber... like most Portuguese. But yeah I’m Portuguese ;)

[Chris596]

Additional results, looks like I inherited stronk ,,Chinese'' genes (it says Chinese and some Indochinese/Austronesian almost everywhere probably because that's genetically the closest us?):

Supreeeme AncestryDNA G25 model scaled

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.6725% / 0.03672532
36.8 Baltics
25.6 Turkey_&_the_Caucasus
23.6 Sardinia
10.4 Greece_&_the_Balkans
3.0 Dai
0.6 China

K25 calculator for G25

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 4.3381% / 0.04338062 | ADC: 0.25x
76.0 Greek+Albanian
16.2 Balto_Slavic
3.6 Caucasian
2.4 East_Asian
1.8 European_Hunters_Gatherers

K35 Modern Calculator

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 4.3035% / 0.04303492
73.4 Balkan
14.4 South_Caucasian
9.4 South_West_European
2.8 East_Asian

Marques K64

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 2.3230% / 0.02323044
36.0 Germanic_Europe (this is not a Germanic sample in the modern sense)
32.8 Balkan
15.2 South_Caucasus
6.2 Baltic
3.2 South_Chinese
2.4 Central_Asia_and_steppe
1.8 Sibérian
1.2 Indochina
1.0 Anatolia
0.2 Indonesian_Austronesian

Marques Gencove-like calculator

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.6140% / 0.03614001
47.6 East_European
24.8 South_West_European
24.2 Anatolia_Caucasus_Iranian_Plateau
2.2 South_east_Asia
0.6 East_Asia
0.4 North_central_Asia
0.2 South_Africa

Modern K64 (SCALED) G25 Model by SUPREEEEEME

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.5844% / 0.03584353
37.2 Baltic
29.6 Sardinian
21.8 South_Caucasus
8.2 Northwest_Caucasus
1.6 Southeast_China
1.4 Taiwanese
0.2 Khoisan

Supreeeme LivingDNA G25 Model scaled

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.6746% / 0.03674638
28.8 Baltics:Lithuanian_PZ
28.8 Aegean:Greek_Peloponnese
21.2 Sardinia:Sardinian
17.4 Northwest_Caucasus:Circassian
2.4 Southeast_Asia:Kinh_Vietnam
1.2 North_Turkey:Turkish_Trabzon
0.2 Southern_African_Khoisan:Khomani_San

Supreeeme MyHeritage G25 Model scaled

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.5366% / 0.03536598
39.0 Baltic
23.8 Sardinian
19.4 West_Asian
14.4 Greek_and_South_Italian
3.4 Chinese_and_Vietnamese

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 4.0582% / 0.04058185 | ADC: 0.25x
73.2 Balkan
10.0 Greek_and_South_Italian
7.8 Baltic
3.4 Sardinian
3.2 West_Asian
2.4 Chinese_and_Vietnamese

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 4.3612% / 0.04361225 | ADC: 0.5x
99.0 Balkan
1.0 Chinese_and_Vietnamese

O K A Y

Nurzat K12 World calculator

Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 3.9107% / 0.03910699
38.8 Eastern_European
32.0 Southern_European
26.0 Caucasian
3.2 East_Asian

That's it for now. Share any idea/opinion/request please.

[Voskos]

Neodanubian+Turanid.

[Chris596]

This is my Dad and Me on the Vahaduo G25 Europe map:

https://i.imgur.com/OlbV5lO.png

[17571imre]

This is my Dad and Me on the Vahaduo G25 Europe map:

https://i.imgur.com/OlbV5lO.png

nice he plots just Southern then you. As expected.

my results trying this with my fathers phased results:

https://imgur.com/a/kOMQfit im exact between

my dads G25 results:

Target: father
Distance: 2.9072% / 0.02907220 | ADC: 1x
45.8 Serbian
43.8 French_Alsace
10.4 Italian_Northeast