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Ion Basescul
07-07-2020, 08:26 PM
The guy is R-Z2125, downstream from R-Z93.
It is most popular in Central and South Central Asia.

From Wikipedia: "R-Z2125 occurs at highest frequencies in Kyrgyzstan and in Afghan Pashtuns (>40%). At a frequency of >10%, it is also observed in other Afghan ethnic groups and in some populations in the Caucasus and Iran."

King Bela the 3rd specificic mutation is most similar to those of Bashkirs, indicating that he might have origins from around where they lived at about that time.

"Out of a cohort of 4340 individuals from these geographic areas, we acquired whole-genome data from 208 individuals derived for the R-Z2123 haplogroup. From these data we have established that the closest living kin of the Árpád Dynasty are R-SUR51 derived modern day Bashkirs predominantly from the Burzyansky and Abzelilovsky districts of Bashkortostan in the Russian Federation. Our analysis also reveals the existence of SNPs defining a novel Árpád Dynasty specific haplogroup R-ARP. Framed within the context of a high resolution R-Z2123 phylogeny, the ancestry of the first Hungarian royal dynasty traces to the region centering near Northern Afghanistan about 4500 years ago and identifies the Bashkirs as their closest kin, with a separation date between the two populations at the beginning of the first millennium CE"

"The phylogenetic origins of the Hungarians who occupied the Carpathian basin has been much contested [40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z#ref-CR40)]. Based on linguistic arguments it was proposed that they represented a predominantly Finno-Ugric speaking population while the oral and written tradition of the Árpád dynasty suggests a relationship with the Huns. Based on the genetic analysis of two members of the Árpád Dynasty, it appears that they derived from a lineage (R-Z2125) that is currently predominantly present among ethnic groups (Pashtun, Tadjik, Turkmen, Uzbek, and Bashkir) speaking Iranian or Turkic languages. However, their closest kin, the Bashkirs live in close proximity with Finno-Ugric speaking populations with the N-B539 haplogroup. A recent study shows that this haplogroup is also found in modern Hungarians [41 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z#ref-CR41)]. Intriguingly, the most recent separation of the N-B539 derived lineages found in Hungarians and Bashkirs is estimated to have occurred ~2000 years before present [42 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z#ref-CR42)]. This would suggest that a group of people consisting of a Turkic (R-SUR51) component and a Finno-Ugric (N-B539) component left the Volga Ural region about 2000 years ago and started a migration that eventually culminated in settlement in the Carpathian Basin."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z

eatensemn
07-07-2020, 08:35 PM
Corded ware>>>>migration to the east asia>>>>intermixing with asians>>>>xiongnu>>>>to the west again>>>>hungary, turkey, etc.

Ion Basescul
07-07-2020, 08:35 PM
Check table S1. The Arpad yDNA is basically absent in Uralics, but visibly present in Turkics and population in Caucasus and Southcentral Asia who received Turkic migrations.

Jana
07-07-2020, 08:38 PM
As expected, autosomal DNA of Magyar conquerors is closest to Bashkirs as well.

Kaspias
07-07-2020, 08:46 PM
Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.

eatensemn
07-07-2020, 09:07 PM
Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.

I want to add my usual annotation, i don't believe that a homogeneous "proto-turkic" group ever existed.

Kaspias
07-07-2020, 09:20 PM
I want to add my usual annotation, i don't believe that a homogeneous "proto-turkic" group ever existed.

Then you shouldn't believe.

Ion Basescul
07-07-2020, 09:26 PM
Bashkir is closest modern proxy to Proto-Turks.

Still, there are noticeable differences, because the 20% Iranic imprint from DA89 is missing completely in Bashkirs. The latter also have more East Asian/Siberian and Yamnaya ancestry.

Target: KAZ_Turk:DA89
Distance: 2.9045% / 0.02904479
37.4 Yamnaya_UKR
29.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
18.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.8 Indian
1.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


Target: Bashkir
Distance: 4.5591% / 0.04559092
49.8 Yamnaya_UKR
36.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
3.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Levant_Natufian

Kyp
07-07-2020, 09:27 PM
nice, I'm R-Z2125 too

Ion Basescul
07-07-2020, 09:29 PM
nice, I'm R-Z2125 too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtgfg4j-Kg

Nakhchi
07-07-2020, 09:42 PM
>The HU3G sample was derived for haplogroup J-ZS7626 (J1a2b1b2c1a2b) based on the presence of 6 out of 25 haplogroup defining SNPs. This haplogroup radiates across eastern Africa and the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula, but is also seen among inhabitants of the western shores of the Caspian Sea among Tabasaran, Kumyk, Avar, and Lezgin populations [14, 33].

One of the samples seems to belong to a Chechen J1 branch.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS7640/?fbclid=IwAR3IIJ9QQh0BzmEFxWpuKEL0qQLI4HyaLUooLnbg wezhdfxGcWhFmlw4IoE

wonder how it got there.

Turul Karom
07-07-2020, 09:57 PM
From the steppes of Asia!

None can claim otherwise!

Literally thousands of years later and Hungary still soars free!


https://youtu.be/3zn9UI2LnI8

eatensemn
07-07-2020, 09:58 PM
R-Z2125 occurs at highest frequencies in Kyrgyzstan and in Afghan Pashtuns (>40%)

Well i just made a search on afghan pashtuns and now i think that makes sense.

Look here:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/X59HyrMfupgVIMQhRTSKTYVygxcavJbbcofcsU1qgqD58S3GVu 7m67Z4xG-YTA-M6d4YsSsz_BolMA6uMFPLX1-fYgIou97RltPf88G0C72N
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-33f9a90c420dacf6bd4260a082d62d30
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6f/ef/8c/6fef8ca5bccc28cb9d4331bb461d7846.jpg

Turul Karom
07-07-2020, 10:08 PM
As expected, autosomal DNA of Magyar conquerors is closest to Bashkirs as well.

And we (modern Hungarians) are the closest population to Bashkirs and conquering Hungarians!


https://i.imgur.com/iBOezrf.jpg

Ion Basescul
07-07-2020, 10:10 PM
Well i just made a search on afghan pashtuns and now i think that makes sense.

Look here:





It doesn't at all actually. In blue are major components that are found in one population, but not in the other.

Target: Bashkir
Distance: 4.5591% / 0.04559092
49.8 Yamnaya_UKR
36.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
3.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Levant_Natufian


Target: Pashtun
Distance: 5.1447% / 0.05144671
38.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
30.0 Yamnaya_UKR
23.6 Indian
8.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Kaspias
07-07-2020, 11:19 PM
Still, there are noticeable differences, because the 20% Iranic imprint from DA89 is missing completely in Bashkirs. The latter also have more East Asian/Siberian and Yamnaya ancestry.

Target: KAZ_Turk:DA89
Distance: 2.9045% / 0.02904479
37.4 Yamnaya_UKR
29.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
18.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.8 Indian
1.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


Target: Bashkir
Distance: 4.5591% / 0.04559092
49.8 Yamnaya_UKR
36.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
3.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Levant_Natufian

I was not mentioning Gokturks.


Another important thing about this article is we had one Proto-Turk like outlier sample from Hovsgol. Thanks to this article it is proved that the Hovsgol sample is not a coincidence, and today's known Turkic form was already present in BA.

See the samples:


Distance to: MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444 Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612 Bashkir
0.08215698 Nogai

Distance to: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791 Bashkir
0.06274597 Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867 Uzbek

Distance to: MNG_Sagly_EIA_4
0.04129674 Bashkir
0.04756727 Tatar_Siberian
0.08012403 Nogai

Distance to: MNG_EIA_2
0.05602901 Bashkir
0.08332488 Tatar_Siberian
0.08525325 Tatar_Lipka

Distance to: MNG_EIA_5
0.06174371 Tatar_Siberian
0.06412454 Bashkir
0.06853078 Uzbek

Distance to: MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252 Bashkir
0.08378775 Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335 Tatar_Siberian

Distance to: MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
0.06213650 Bashkir
0.07780193 Udmurt
0.08062894 Besermyan

Leto
07-08-2020, 11:20 AM
As expected, autosomal DNA of Magyar conquerors is closest to Bashkirs as well.
Where is the autosomal in the OP? I can't see it.

Jana
07-08-2020, 11:23 AM
Where is the autosomal in the OP? I can't see it.

It is not available for public.