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European blood
09-07-2011, 03:33 AM
Cutting off a city from food & war is a war crime - again the ICC demonstrates its utter worthlessness.


According to Fox News, a Libyan rebel "spokesman" recently boasted, "in the end, we will get [the city of] Sirte, even if we have to cut water and electricity and let NATO pound it with airstrikes." Sirte is one of many cities still standing in defiance of NATO's operations to seize the nation of 6 million people, impose upon them an "internationally approved" government, and begin pilfering their resources under the guise of "economic liberalization." Rebels have intentionally surrounded Sirte to cut off electricity as well as the flow of supplies including food and cooking gas in a bid to literally "starve the city into submission," as reported by the London Telegraph. This latest boast by rebels, now operating openly with notorious Al Qaeda members leading their fighters, and still with full military support from NATO, seems to suggests that water will be cut as well.

According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, the denial of humanitarian assistance is a crime under international law. The Red Cross adds that "a massacre is not necessarily committed only with knives." While many will attempt to portray the premeditated creation of a humanitarian disaster as "more humane" than taking the city of Sirte by force - rebels have in fact already tried to take the city by force and were soundly repelled. NATO airstrikes have apparently proved ineffective and other cities are now bolstering their defenses and rejecting calls by the NATO-backed Al Qaeda fighters to surrender. As the deadline for NATO's military intervention grows increasingly nearer, their efforts to seize the nation have become increasingly more desperate and in proportion more depraved.

As has been pointed out and now clearly evident in Tripoli, the Benghazi rebels backed by NATO are not motivated by inclinations of "democracy" but rather tribal, ethnic, and viciously racial prejudices. Reuters has recently tried to whitewash what is essentially wholesale genocide being waged against Tripoli's black population by the Benghazi rebels led by Al Qaeda's notorious al-Hasidi. The targeting of Tripoli's black population has been entirely written off by the corporate media as rebels pursuing "suspected mercenaries." Why then would Sirte, Bani Waled, or any other city still standing soundly in defiance of these rebels and NATO, surrender and subject themselves to ensured genocide?

We are faced with a textbook case of a very real crime against humanity, yet the International Criminal Court is utterly silent, as are the voices in the UN that were vigorously clamoring to authorize war against Libya back in March of 2011. Silent also are the fraudulent George Soros Open Society-funded Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International (page 10) organizations. The ICC and the supporting myriad of contrived rights advocates once again demonstrates they are illegitimate institutions contrived solely to serve Wall Street and London's interests in a clearly one-sided manner. It is no wonder why the African Union has wholly rejected the International Criminal Court's decisions made against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi or why nations across the world exhibit increasing hostility toward "independent" NGOs like Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Amnesty International. Nations should not be expected to permit such organizations to operate within their borders when in reality their goal is not defending human rights but finding a predicate for foreign military intervention on behalf of the corporate-financier interests that fund them.

Who Watches the "Watchers?"

So who does the world turn to when the "international community" begins recklessly mass-murdering entire populations, shutting off entire cities from food and water to "starve them into submission," and "pound" civilian populations with airstrikes? The answer is, we turn to ourselves - the individual - who on a daily basis have facilitated in the first place the corporations and banks of Wall Street and London who are the perpetrators of these horrendous crimes. We have created these world-spanning financial and corporate empires, given them the power to act against entire nation-states with absolute impunity, so it must be we the people who rein back in this terrible power.

Just as we gave them this power by dedicating our time, money, talents, and attention to them, we can take it back by denying them likewise our time, money, talents, and attention. Turn to local alternatives, do without when we can, and entirely replace these corporations with local solutions systematically. If these elitists impose regulations to prevent such activity, take a cue from the brave people of America's Northeast who have passed local ordinances to cancel out US federal dictates. Ultimately, we must remember that these people are not the progressive, enlightened, caretakers of humanity they attempt to portray themselves as.

The global elite are essentially violent thugs, dressing up their tyranny with the trappings of religion, civilization, political legitimacy,and faux progress. We must be prepared defend ourselves, our communities, and our nation-states intellectually, politically, socially, financially, and physically. Our denial of this terrible and ever-growing tyranny will not spare us when its attention finally shifts toward our homes, families, businesses, and communities. Just as the Soviets or the Nazis worked their way from foreigners, then the fringes of society, before it began cannibalizing its own people, so too will this global Wall Street-London tyranny. It was the Iraqis yesterday, it is the Libyans today, it may be the Syrians tomorrow, but inevitably it will be all of us. Better to stand up now than allow the tragic wheel of history to make yet another predictable revolution.

For a list of many of the corporations responsible for these increasingly egregious crimes against humanity, please see, "Naming Names."

Tony Cartalucci's articles have appeared on many alternative media websites, including his own at Land Destroyer Report.

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/libya-nato-enabling-war-crimes.html

European blood
09-14-2011, 12:45 PM
ZAGREB -- Libyan rebels executed without trial "several dozen people", among them citizens of Serbia and Croatia, writes a Croatian daily.


Zagreb-based Večernji List says that 12 Serbians, 9 Croatians, 11 Ukrainians and 10 Colombians were among those captured, and then shot and killed by the rebels, while other victims "were not identified".

The newspaper is quoting the rebels in Misrata who claim that "a group of foreign mercenaries" was inside "the security building" in the town's center - and that those who did not die in the fighting were "convicted on the spot".

"A bullet to the head and goodbye forever," a local rebel commander was quoted as saying, and then adding: "Those are murderers, not soldiers, they are people who are heartlessly killing for money."

In Belgrade, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said they had no information about Serbian citizens being executed.

"We saw this in the newspapers and we are checking it. As for the five Serbian citizens detained in Zintan, we are in contact with them and they are doing well, while we're doing all we can to set them free," an official of the ministry was quoted as saying.

Meanwhile, Sarajevo-based newspaper Dnevni Avaz quoted military analyst Ljubodrag Stojadinović as saying that "Serb mercenaries were everywhere where there was a war".

Amnesty International for its part said that "both sides" in the Libya war committed war crimes, and warned that "violence would escalate unless order was established".

B92 - News - "Serbs, Croats executed by rebels in Libya" (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=13&nav_id=76364)

European blood
09-16-2011, 07:42 PM
Rebel forces in Libya claim they are advancing in Colonel Gaddafi's home town of Sirte - one of the last loyalist bastions.

Several thousand opposition fighters, backed by tanks and heavy weapons, have reportedly launched an offensive on the city.

Russia says it's time to lift the UN-imposed no fly-zone in Libya, which was introduced to save civilians.

Anti-war activists, though, maintain that NATO's role has nothing to do with any humanitarian mission.

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As the British Prime Minister departs Libya after celebrating the end of Gaddafi's 42-year rule, anger grows in the UK over the arms fair that once hosted the Colonel when he was stocking up with new military hardware.

Critics say it's one of the world's biggest weaponry sales floors and that it provided Libya's ousted leader with the means to launch his deadly crackdown on the opposition.

And as RT's Ivor Bennett has been investigating, some prominent dictators have been shopping around for arms in London.

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European blood
09-26-2011, 08:05 PM
It seems that Qaddafi is NOT a dictator (he stood down after setting up direct democracy) but his people have something to teach us about freedom & independence!

Read the description of the video.

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poiuytrewq0987
09-26-2011, 08:10 PM
ZAGREB -- Libyan rebels executed without trial "several dozen people", among them citizens of Serbia and Croatia, writes a Croatian daily.



B92 - News - "Serbs, Croats executed by rebels in Libya" (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=13&nav_id=76364)

Unbelievable... if Yugoslavia was still here today, we'd bomb those rebels back to oblivion. :mad:

European blood
10-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Anti-Gaddafi fighters have taken control of the airport in the fugutive Colonel's hometown of Sirte, the last stronghold of his loyalists. Reinforcements have been called in ahead of a fresh assault, in the face of stiff resistance.

Civilians continue to flee the violence in the besieged city, blaming NATO for only adding to their problems. RT talks to Sara Flounders from the anti-war group the International Action Centre.

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As the forces of Libya's new rulers continue their siege of the two remaining Gaddafi strongholds, we spoke to an eye witness. A woman from Tripoli, who asked that we call her Selma, was in Beni Walid a day ago. Speaking in a low voice in fear for her life, she said former rebels care little about the well being of civilians.

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Sniper fire holds up push into Gaddafi's hometown

SIRTE, Libya (Reuters) - Snipers loyal to Muammar Gaddafi held back government forces trying to capture his hometown on Thursday and the deposed leader warned the heads of the developing world who have recognized Libya's new rulers that they would face a similar fate to his own.

Hiding in a mosque and a building that was once Gaddafi's favorite venue for international summits, loyalists blocked the advance of government forces, making forecasts of a quick end to the battle for Sirte look premature.

Thousands of civilians in the town of Sirte are caught up in the fighting. Red Cross workers who were able to reach the town's hospital described patients sheltering from the gunfire in the corridors and a lack of staff to treat them.

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-forces-plan-final-attack-gaddafi-hometown-123931965.html


Gadhafi urges resistance to Libya's new leaders

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Moammar Gadhafi called on Libyans to take to the streets and wage a campaign of civil disobedience against the country's new leaders Thursday — the first word from the fugitive leader in just over two weeks.

Gadhafi said the National Transitional Council, which has assumed leadership of the country since then-rebel forces swept into Tripoli in late August, has no legitimacy because it was not nominated or appointed by the Libyan people.

http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafi-urges-resistance-libyas-leaders-182857968.html


Moscow says NATO's actions in Libya haven't saved civilians but caused more casualties instead. Russia and China vetoed a UN resolution on Syria over concerns the mandate could pave the way for a Libya-style military intervention. For more on this RT's joined by Konstantin Kosachev, head of the State Duma Foreign Affairs Committee.

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The Lawspeaker
10-13-2011, 05:55 AM
We should never have gotten involved in this heathen mess in the first place. Muzzie killing muzzie: who cares ? They should have just send some more patrol ships to the Med.

But no: we'd just to get involved. Wasting precious money and a precious helicopter, endangering the lifes of 3 crew members and all the others partaking in the operation.

Lovely, Prime Minister Rutte, just fucking lovely !

Albion
10-13-2011, 10:03 PM
No, this time we needed him gone. The chance was seen and taken.

The guy supported terrorists around the world including in Northern Ireland and was involved in Lockerbie for goodness sake.
Without intervention the lame duck rebellion would have been crushed, it has already been shown many times that the rebels are a waste of time.

They only took Tripoli because the British had advisors telling them what to do and were supplying them with arms whilst bombing the shit out of Gadaffi.

I don't usually support intervention but in some cases it is justified. However it is just a shame that he couldn't have just been assassinated instead, a lot easier, cheaper and with little blood lest apart from his.

The Lawspeaker
10-14-2011, 01:28 AM
And so what if that pathetic rebellion had been crushed ? Who cares ? I don't. We shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place. And yes: he may have supported the IRA and tje Lockerbie bombers but it's over 20 fucking years ago. They should have nuked his useless dade-munching skin into orbit 20 years ago, not now.

Besids.. Lockerbie seems to be a much more interesting issue (http://www.albawaba.com/news/us-witness-stymied-scottish-legal-rules-lockerbie-trial) then just Muammar al-Gadaffi.

Albion
10-15-2011, 03:50 PM
And so what if that pathetic rebellion had been crushed ? Who cares ? I don't.

The Netherlands has no quarrel with Gadaffi.


We shouldn't have gotten involved in the first place. And yes: he may have supported the IRA and tje Lockerbie bombers but it's over 20 fucking years ago. They should have nuked his useless dade-munching skin into orbit 20 years ago, not now.

Should but didn't. 20 years isn't a long time, there are still family members of the people Gadaffi helped kill.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 03:53 PM
The Netherlands has no quarrel with Gadaffi.
Exactly. But thanks to Rutte we now have.




Should but didn't. 20 years isn't a long time, there are still family members of the people Gadaffi helped kill.
It's about as pathetic as going Bush going into Iraq because his daddy wouldn't finish the job in 1991. Britain should have flattened the tar out of Libya in 1988 but it didn't - and now as sleazy little muppets NATO gangs up on Gadaffi because the Americans weren't men enough in 1986 and the British weren't men enough in 1988 to get the job done.

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 03:59 PM
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It's about as pathetic as going Bush going into Iraq because his daddy wouldn't finish the job in 1991. Britain should have flattened the tar out of Libya in 1988 but it didn't - and now as sleazy little muppets NATO gangs up on Gadaffi because the Americans weren't men enough in 1986 and the British weren't men enough in 1988 to get the job done.

The French were the hardest pushers of the Libyan war, the Libyan war is more of a european NATO war than it is american, can't really blame them for everything.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:05 PM
The French were the hardest pushers of the Libyan war, the Libyan war is more of a european NATO war than it is american, can't really blame them for everything.
Nah it sounds more like they gave the French and British precedence so the Americans looked like they "were just jumping on the bandwagon"while a lot of rifles have been found in Libya that were not part of the Libyan Armed Forces.

http://www.wikispooks.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/GL.jpg

NATO grenade launchers, fresh FAL's, 2 x 106-mm shell for the M40 cannon (which are American). So where did they get that, eh ? The Libyan army doesn't use that.

Check this out:

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BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:09 PM
Nah it sounds more like they gave the French and British precedence so the Americans looked like they "were just jumping on the bandwagon"while a lot of rifles have been found in Libya that were not part of the Libyan Armed Forces.

http://www.wikispooks.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/GL.jpg

NATO grenade launchers, fresh FAL's, 2 x 106-mm shell for the M40 cannon (which are American). So where did they get that, eh ? The Libyan army doesn't use that.

Check this out:

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Weapons sales to Libyan forces is predictable, and the USA is the largest arms exporter in the world, that doesn't mean however that the USA stood to gain the most, other countries do exorcise foreign policy as well.

StonyArabia
10-15-2011, 04:11 PM
NATO is in Libya not for the Libyans or the rebels, but the vast wealth that Libya has such as gold and of course the black gold which is oil. As well NATO has a strategic reasons to be there, and will unfold in the future. The Libyan war does have American backing but it's more of a covert player, through it's Qatar, UAE allies who supplied the rebels with weapons. The interest of Europe and the U.S are not that different in Libya. However Libya might not be stable, which can endanger the whole med region, especially with the rise of the militant Salafi movement that has been under taken by the rebels.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:11 PM
Weapons sales to Libyan forces is predictable, and the USA is the largest arms exporter in the world, that doesn't mean however that the USA stood to gain the most, other countries do exorcise foreign policy as well.
A lot of American weapons, "spontaneous" revolution. Yes we know the drill by now.

It has CIA written all over it.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:17 PM
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Dennis Kucinich questions the role of Khalifa Haftar and the intelligence services in the Libyan conflict.

Joe McCarthy
10-15-2011, 04:17 PM
The French were the hardest pushers of the Libyan war, the Libyan war is more of a european NATO war than it is american, can't really blame them for everything.

We're a convenient scapegoat.

Joe McCarthy
10-15-2011, 04:19 PM
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Dennis Kucinich questions the role of Khalifa Haftar and the intelligence services in the Libyan conflict.

Kucinich is a far left loon. The George Galloway of America.

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:20 PM
A lot of American weapons, "spontaneous" revolution. Yes we know the drill by now.

It has CIA written all over it.


This happens in almost every armed conflict, it doesn't mean the CIA is involved, though they probably are. There are many other ways to get arms into a country, the first being private sellers, like the movie "lord of war" Selling arms is just a business transaction, its the biggest business in the world after all.

It's an interesting video,(though hardly ground breaking) since the first half is about the Belgian rifle and grenade launcher FN is a Belgian company, only the anti-tank weapons were american.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:21 PM
Kucinich is a far left loon. The George Galloway of America.
LOL because he is asking questions. Like any proper parliamentarian should. :coffee:

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:22 PM
It's an interesting video,(though hardly ground breaking) since the first half is about the Belgian rifle and grenade launcher FN is a Belgian company, only the anti-tank weapons were american.
The FN FAL was used by a great number of NATO countries.. Including Britain and the United States and when the weapon was phased out it was sold en masse to the United States.

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:26 PM
The FN FAL was used by a great number of NATO countries.. Including Britain and the United States and when the weapon was phased out it was sold en masse to the United States.

US forces use the M4 as their primary battle rifle, chambered in 5.56 NATO and the M249 SAW light machine gun, and the M240G medium and M2 heavy machine gun

you're just making things up now, that rifle was used by many nato countries, the USA was not one of them.

Rifles used by the USA since ww2

M1 Garand
M14
M16a1
M16a2
M4

Albion
10-15-2011, 04:27 PM
the British weren't men enough in 1988 to get the job done.

That was a bad decade. I don't think a war would have been very popular, the economic considerations are a key part in this, war isn't cheap.
Also I think many would have expected a Suez all over again, being told to do what we're told by Uncle Sam. :rolleyes2:

Aces High
10-15-2011, 04:29 PM
This happens in almost every armed conflict, it doesn't mean the CIA is involved, though they probably are.

They are...as are Britisha and French and US spec forces are on the ground.

These are the boys co-ordinating air strikes....those Libyan wankers with a pick up and an AK cant be trusted to bring in the air power from offshore.

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:32 PM
They are...as are Britisha and French and US spec forces are on the ground.

These are the boys co-ordinating air strikes....those Libyan wankers with a pick up and an AK cant be trusted to bring in the air power from offshore.

Well the issue was how they got arms, all I was saying is that it doesn't have to be CIA, but you are right, with air power involved US UK French special ops are certainly directing strikes.

Joe McCarthy
10-15-2011, 04:32 PM
That was a bad decade. I don't think a war would have been very popular, the economic considerations are a key part in this, war isn't cheap.
Also I think many would have expected a Suez all over again, being told to do what we're told by Uncle Sam. :rolleyes2:

They would have had little reason to expect Suez. The same president that assisted in the Falklands was president then.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:35 PM
US forces use the M4 as their primary battle rifle, chambered in 5.56 NATO and the M249 SAW light machine gun, and the M240G medium and M2 heavy machine gun

you're just making things up now, that rifle was used by many nato countries, the USA was not one of them.

Rifles used by the USA since ww2

M1 Garand
M14
M16a1
M16a2
M4
FN FAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL#United_States).


The USA tested the FAL in several forms; initially as manufactured by FN in experimental configurations, and later in the final T48 configuration as an official competitor for the new US Light Self-Loading Rifle intended to replace the M1 Garand. The US Army procured T48 rifles from three firms for testing, including two US based companies in an effort to assess the manufacturability of the FN design in the USA. The T48 was manufactured for testing by Fabrique Nationale (FN), of Herstal, Belgium; Harrington & Richardson (H&R) of Worcester, Massachusetts; and the High Standard Company of Hartford, Connecticut. The United States also received a small number of FAL Heavy Barrel Rifles (HBAR) (either 50.41 or pre-50.41) for testing, under the designation T48E1, though none of these rifles were adopted by US.

The T48 competed against the T44 rifle. The T44 was a heavily modified version of the earlier M1 Garand. Testing proved the T48 and the T44 comparable in performance, with no clear winner. However, the supposed ease of production of the T44 upon machinery already in place for the M1 Garand and the similarity in the manual of arms for the T44 and M1 ultimately swayed the decision in the direction of the T44, which was adopted as the M14 rifle.

In the wake of World War II, the NATO "Rifle Steering Committee" was formed to encourage the adoption of a standardized NATO rifle. The Committee and the US interest in the FAL proved to be a turning point in the direction of the FAL's development. The US and NATO interest in small arms standardization was the primary reason why the FAL was redesigned to use the newly developed 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, instead of the intermediate cartridge designs originally tested by FN. Two political factors are worth noting: the US Government tacitly indicated to NATO, and specifically to the United Kingdom, that if the FAL were redesigned for the new US 7.62x51mm cartridge, then the FAL would become acceptable to the US, and the US would presumably adopt the FAL rifle. Secondly, FN had indicated that it would allow former WWII Allied countries to produce the FAL design with no licensing or royalty costs as a gift to the Allies for the liberation of Belgium. Ultimately, the US chose to part with the other NATO members and adopt the M14 rifle, while the majority of NATO countries immediately adopted the FAL.

During the late 1980s and 1990s, many countries decommissioned the FAL from their armories and sold them en masse to United States importers as surplus. The rifles were imported to the United States as fully automatic guns. Once in the U.S., the FAL's were "de-militarized" (upper receiver destroyed) to eliminate the rifles' character as an automatic rifle, as stipulated by the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA 68 currently prohibits the importation of foreign-made full-automatic assault rifles prior to the enactment of the Gun Control Act; semiautomatic versions of the same firearm were legal to import until the Semiautomatic Assault Rifle Ban of 1989). Thousands of the resulting "parts kits" were sold at generally low prices ($90 – $250) to hobbyists. The hobbyists rebuilt the parts kits to legal and functional semi-automatic rifles on new semi-automatic upper receivers. FAL rifles are still commercially available from a few domestic firms in semi-auto configuration: Entreprise Arms, DSArms, and Century Arms. Most notably Century Arms created a semi-automatic version L1A1 with an IMBEL upper receiver and surplus British Enfield inch-pattern parts.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/FN_Herstal_T48.jpg
A T48 rifle made by FN for trials in the United States.

Not the same but the FAL used looks a lot like those standard weapons we had here in Europe.

Besides-- also the Israeli's used it.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_inOyG66ubz0/TTkodKXEl1I/AAAAAAAAARs/p-CziivlZJE/s400/FN%2BFAL.jpg

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:39 PM
FN FAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FAL#United_States).



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/FN_Herstal_T48.jpg
A T48 rifle made by FN for trials in the United States.

Not the same but the FAL used looks a lot like those standard weapons we had here in Europe.

Besides-- also the Israeli's used it.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_inOyG66ubz0/TTkodKXEl1I/AAAAAAAAARs/p-CziivlZJE/s400/FN%2BFAL.jpg


LOL, your little article says they were imported and made non auto and sold TO THE PUBLIC, geez you're just getting hysterical now.

The military aspect of it has long since been phased out, it competed to replace the M1 Garand, that was in the 50's and it lost to the m14, which was replaced during vietnam with the M16A1 and then in the 80s with the m16A2 then in 2000's with the M4

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:43 PM
LOL, your little article says they were imported and made non auto and sold TO THE PUBLIC, geez you're just getting hysterical now.
To the public. :coffee: Any self-respecting secret service would buy "a couple" of them (using "members of the public" as middlemen) and use them in this kind of conflicts. If they wouldn't - they would be idiots.

The FN FAL is not an American-made weapon but a lot of them were sold to America so unless each FAL that was sold (and they were sold in bulk) can be accounted for one cannot deny that the possibility is most certainly there that they were used for other purposes as well.

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:48 PM
To the public. :coffee: Any self-respecting secret service would buy "a couple" of them (using "members of the public" as middlemen) and use them in this kind of conflicts. If they wouldn't - they would be idiots.

The FN FAL is not an American-made weapon but a lot of them were sold to America so unless each FAL that was sold (and they were sold in bulk) can be accounted for one cannot deny that the possibility is most certainly there that they were used for other purposes as well.


Oh don't try and save it civis, the weapons were made non auto and sold, the USA's gun market is VAST, its a couple billion a year industry in sporting arms sales.

Good job putting your little conspiracy together though. Of course you are leaving out the fact that the weapons in Libya are still full auto, and that if it was some secret US plot, they would just empty their old stock, so the m16a1's and m14s they hold in surplus would be the units sold, not some belgian rifle that was made non auto and sold to bloody hunters in the usa.

You can't arm an army with some secret squirrel plot to acquire a few fal's anyways, you're being irrational and hystarical.

The Lawspeaker
10-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Oh don't try and save it civis, the weapons were made non auto and sold, the USA's gun market is VAST, its a couple billion a year industry in sporting arms sales.

Good job putting your little conspiracy together though. Of course you are leaving out the fact that the weapons in Libya are still full auto, and that if it was some secret US plot, they would just empty their old stock, so the m16a1's and m14s they hold in surplus would be the units sold, not some belgian rifle that was made non auto and sold to bloody hunters in the usa.
Weapons are quickly restored, BeerBaron. Particularly if the CIA or the Israeli's set their mind to it. We don't have the FAL's so.. they must have come from somewhere.

:coffee:

BeerBaron
10-15-2011, 04:58 PM
Weapons are quickly restored, BeerBaron. Particularly if the CIA or the Israeli's set their mind to it. We don't have the FAL's so.. they must have come from somewhere.

:coffee:

You can't pin everything on the americans, its more likely that the weapons are either new, which is what your video specifically points out, or they are stock from a NATO country that actually used them, not a secret squirrel plot by the evil americans:coffee: