Any Eastern Prussian/Baltic German Indicated In These Results?

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Edit: Why is there a smiley in the title?

I recently uploaded my father's 23andme raw data to LivingDNA for the hoot of it. Do you think there is some assimilated eastern Baltic (Baltic-speakers, Estonian?), or perhaps, some Old Prussian? I'm not sitting here dying to be Baltic or anything (cool if so, cool if not), but some of his gedmatch runs have me curious on this looking back at those...

LivingDNA:
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Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.81
2 Baltic 27.96
3 West_Med 12.27
4 East_Med 6.19
5 West_Asian 4.08
6 Red_Sea 2.08
7 Siberian 1.36
8 Amerindian 1.01


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 5.759608
2 South_Dutch @ 7.278406
3 West_German @ 7.334386
4 Danish @ 7.791816
5 North_Dutch @ 8.013560
6 Austrian @ 8.356464
7 Swedish @ 8.378221
8 East_German @ 8.598933
9 Southeast_English @ 8.860492
10 Norwegian @ 9.278989
11 Orcadian @ 9.373823
12 Irish @ 10.890985
13 North_Swedish @ 11.229795
14 Southwest_English @ 11.253334
15 West_Scottish @ 11.606938
16 Hungarian @ 13.165917
17 French @ 13.582884
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.464369
19 Croatian @ 19.362200
20 South_Polish @ 19.583149

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_Swedish @ 2.101998


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.819528


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 North_German + Norwegian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.602279
2 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Portuguese @ 1.645867
3 French + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.726769
4 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.730093
5 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 1.742447
6 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.760910
7 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_German @ 1.768785
8 Danish + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.787667
9 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.794482
10 North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.798199
11 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.798718
12 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.813306
13 North_Dutch + North_German + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.816190
14 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.819315
15 North_German + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.819528
16 Danish + Finnish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.828254
17 North_German + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.830060
18 Danish + French + Southwest_Finnish + West_German @ 1.837982
19 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.853057
20 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + South_Dutch @ 1.858777

Eurogenes K15
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.22
2 Atlantic 24.04
3 Baltic 16.23
4 West_Med 8.29
5 Eastern_Euro 8.23
6 West_Asian 4.25
7 East_Med 2.42
8 Red_Sea 1.90


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 5.691541
2 North_Dutch @ 7.800706
3 South_Dutch @ 7.954148
4 West_German @ 8.222507
5 Danish @ 8.459060
6 East_German @ 8.562835
7 Swedish @ 8.841002
8 Southwest_English @ 9.402025
9 Southeast_English @ 9.498092
10 Norwegian @ 9.537556
11 Irish @ 9.683049
12 West_Scottish @ 10.523398
13 North_Swedish @ 10.748788
14 West_Norwegian @ 11.902918
15 Orcadian @ 12.117316
16 French @ 12.702368
17 Hungarian @ 13.173233
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 13.242055
19 Austrian @ 13.956424
20 Finnish @ 16.384613

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% North_Dutch @ 3.613667


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% West_German @ 2.856790


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Irish + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 2.856790
2 French + Irish + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.042799
3 Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.046455
4 Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.089684
5 French + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.149246
6 French + Irish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Norwegian @ 3.150714
7 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.168095
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.172861
9 Irish + North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.183790
10 French + Swedish + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 3.204942
11 Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 3.208264
12 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.238977
13 North_Dutch + North_German + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.261286
14 French + Irish + South_Polish + Swedish @ 3.262450
15 French + North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 3.282896
16 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.292834
17 Irish + Irish + Ukrainian + West_German @ 3.295768
18 North_Dutch + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.298118
19 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.305557
20 Hungarian + Irish + South_Dutch + Swedish @ 3.310943

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Oh, and his 23andme...

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Note: Trace percentages not shown: It assigns him 0.9% MENA overall (with 0.3% Arab+egypt+Levantine) and 0.1% Broadly East Asian+N.A...

[Dr_Maul]

MENA and EE might be from distant Jewish

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MENA and EE might be from distant Jewish

That's entirely too high of eastern euro to come just with Jewish ancestry- full blooded Ashkenazim rarely score more than decimal percentages on 23, in the category of east euro. I've seen a lot of Irish people score similar MENA and Arab+egypt+lev like he does- it's probably ancient stuff off of his western european heritage. No "Ashkenazi" there, either.

My paternal side (which, we are R1a, incidentally) allegedly comes form Mecklenburg, so the EE is probably some assimilated Polabian/Odertrite.

[Dr_Maul]

That's entirely too high of eastern euro to come just with Jewish ancestry- full blooded Ashkenazim rarely score more than decimal percentages on 23, in the category of east euro. I've seen a lot of Irish people score similar MENA and Arab+egypt+lev like he does- it's probably ancient stuff off of his western european heritage. No "Ashkenazi" there, either.

My paternal side (which, we are R1a, incidentally) allegedly comes form Mecklenburg, so the EE is probably some assimilated Polabian/Odertrite.

East Asian could also just be Steppe in general. The MENA part might be legit I guess, I have some ~200ish White American, British and German relatives on 23andMe all of which who have about 0.5-1% ME.

[Kyp]

Not really. Can still be the case.

His Baltic score still looks to be in normal range. Maybe post k15 too.

[Figaro]

Not really. Can still be the case.

His Baltic score still looks to be in normal range. Maybe post k15 too.

Thanks. The k15 is up there, near the bottom.

[Kyp]

Thanks. The k15 is up there, near the bottom.


Sorry I didn't see it.
His Baltic + East Europe is similar to my mother's. We don't have any confirmed Slavic or Baltic/Prussian ancestry.

Maybe his Siberian score could indicate it but I think East Germans also often have 0-2 Siberian.

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He has some balto-slav/eastern admixture, which vahaduo picks up as "Southwest Finnish"

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 0.6498% / 0.64981286
54.8 Norwegian
19.6 Southwest_Finnish
14.2 Swiss_Italian
6.4 Southwest_French
2.2 Yemenite_Jewish
1.4 Saudi
1.2 Latvian
0.2 Karitiana

Here here scores 8% SW Finn and 8% Austrian (Austrians have some slavic embedded in them)

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 1.6796% / 1.67961649 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Danish
20.2 Swiss_German
8.0 Austrian
8.0 Southwest_Finnish
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.6 Swiss_Italian
0.2 North_Amerindian

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 2.8228% / 2.82281792 | ADC: 0.5x
48.2 Danish
28.2 Austrian
23.6 German_West

His distance is lowest at the first model. There he scores baltic(Southwest_Finn) instead of slavic.

modeling SW Finns

Target: Southwest_Finnish
Distance: 1.3204% / 1.32037879
42.4 Finnish
20.6 Estonian
19.4 Swedish
10.6 North-Swedish
5.0 East_Finnish
2.0 French_Basque


His baltic admixture seems minor though and he gets West_German as closest population.

What is his ancestry on paper?

[Scandal]

Modeling your father's ancestry using TA members' results and vahaduo's built in population avarages

Minor balto-slav is still there.

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 0.2480% / 0.24799482
29.2 Gooding(Anglo_American)
19.4 NielsW(dutch/german)
13.0 Grace(irish)
11.8 Blanka(hungarian)
7.0 Sippola(finn)
3.6 Southwest_French
3.4 Southwest_Finnish
3.0 Latvian
3.0 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
3.0 Gold_fenix(spaniard)
1.8 Saudi
0.8 Graham(scottish)
0.6 French_Basque
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Universe(hungarian)

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 0.7954% / 0.79537374 | ADC: 0.25x
30.2 Jackson_father(english)
23.2 Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
21.4 Drogin(norwegian/finnish)
14.0 Gooding(Anglo_American)
9.2 Inf99MGma(usa)
2.0 German_West

[Scandal]

That's just my opinion though, I'm not an expert so take what I wrote with a pinch of salt. As I said I'm seeing only a very little non-germanic admixture.

[Figaro]

He has some balto-slav/eastern admixture, which vahaduo picks up as "Southwest Finnish"
What is his ancestry on paper?

Far as I know, 1/2 German (his father), 1/2 adoptee mother of likely Danish/Brit descent. Our last name is a common German surname with no regional specificity, and per one document my immigrant ancestor came from Mecklenburg. LivingDNA groups part of him as under "Northeast Germanic" which is probably a reflection of this. I just point that out cause i was somewhat impressed to see it pulled apart in that manner, and as just not "Polish" or something.

[Figaro]

He has some balto-slav/eastern admixture, which vahaduo picks up as "Southwest Finnish"

Target: CordedWhelp_father(American)
Distance: 0.6498% / 0.64981286
54.8 Norwegian
19.6 Southwest_Finnish
14.2 Swiss_Italian
6.4 Southwest_French
2.2 Yemenite_Jewish
1.4 Saudi
1.2 Latvian
0.2 Karitiana

Some of those other selections are interesting. Heh..

[Figaro]

Wonder what those Yemenite-Jew and Saudi pops are proxies for in this case. Maybe distant Sephardi?

[Figaro]

Also the Kariatana and North N American tiny bits are interesting, but I’m assuming that’s ANE-type stuff..

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Twang