% of Black population in European countries

[Universe]

https://i.imgur.com/FpJcuLY.png

[Universe]

taken from: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hyzsjf/european_countries_by_black_population/

[Luso]

France :rolleyes:

[Universe]

Sweden has high % considering they didn't colonize Africa.

[Universe]

France :rolleyes:

In the reddit thread that I linked in post #2 people are contesting that number.

[El_Abominacion]

8.43% France? bruh

[Davystayn]

This of course doesn't include north africans, arabs, afghanis and south asians

[alnortedelsur]

OMG! France!

Even 0.55% (Spain) is too much.

If European people don't make radical changes (including get rid of their corrupt anti-patriotic political class) NOW! its gonna be too late to save themselves.

[Samnium]

Doesn't seem far from the truth (for France), I estimate "diversity" including : North-Africans, Southern Asians, Asiatic, Subsaharan people (basically all Non Whites) to 25% of the current population in France. 8.35% of Blacks isn't at all overrated considering that they are the minority that's growing the most rapidly. They have like 5 childs per household.

Yeah, my country is being replaced at a great speed :(

[Universe]

This of course doesn't include north africans, arabs, afghanis and south asians

Yes it's only about blacks. Idk if they counted UK's large mulatto population as black though.

[Teutone]

What does it say about Menas when they turn Germany to the same shithole like France, besides the low % of SSA in Germany.

[Kerili]

What you expect from immigrante to leave their country and get the same money as in Nigeria or any black country ? Balkans and Eastern europe its not a place to make money and they are much more racist for blacks then the westerns. French is a laungue that almost every african learn after hes mom laungue. Portuguess accpet black brazilian. And in the Uk there are many afro americans. And also its very easy to learn and speak english more then learning belrussian and earn 2 euro a day...

[Erronkari]

Something that I would like to say is that even in France, blacks are a big minority in Paris and cities like Marseille or Lyon.
But in the countryside or in medium/small toens they are extremely rare almost nonexistent...

[Universe]

Something that I would like to say is that even in France, blacks are a big minority in Paris and cities like Marseille or Lyon.
But in the countryside or in medium/small toens they are extremely rare almost nonexistent...

Blacks are more urban than whites in USA too.

[Teutone]

Blacks are more urban than whites in USA too.

Muslims and SSA in general are urban, thats how they claim a part of the city and get their little ghettos.

Turks and Arab ghettos here, all have the same stores all over germany.

They need a mosque, barber, fruit seller, shisha bar and a sports gamble place/ slot machine place.

Im gonna tell you a muslim lifestyle in Germany

11am waking up
12am Go to the barber
1pm eating a kebab
2pm mosque
3-6 pm gamble on slot machines
7-10pm shisha bar
10pm-2am hanging around at the streets

[Kamal900]

Muslims and SSA in general are urban, thats how they claim a part of the city and get their little ghettos.

Turks and Arab ghettos here, all have the same stores all over germany.

They need a mosque, barber, fruit seller, shisha bar and a sports gamble place/ slot machine place.

Im gonna tell you a muslim lifestyle in Germany

11am waking up
12am Go to the barber
1pm eating a kebab
2pm mosque
3-6 pm gamble on slot machines
7-10pm shisha bar
10pm-2am hanging around at the streets

Yeah, that's a problem indeed. I mean, how the Christian MENA groups(Armenians, Copts, Arab Christians, Maronites and so on) act in Germany though? Is it good or..?

[Teutone]

Yeah, that's a problem indeed. I mean, how the Christian MENA groups(Armenians, Copts, Arab Christians, Maronites and so on) act in Germany though? Is it good or..?

They are less than 1% here

almost non existent

[pulstar]

It would be good if there would be same graph for Asians.

[Kamal900]

They are less than 1% here

almost non existent

Thanks for the input, 7abiby.

[Universe]

It would be good if there would be same graph for Asians.

What asians? East? They're very low % everywhere, quasi non existant.

[Teutone]

It would be good if there would be same graph for Asians.

My city Düsseldorf has the biggest Japanese diaspora on this planet, all they bring to a city is wealth, order and create jobs.

[pulstar]

What asians? East? They're very low % everywhere, quasi non existant.

All Asians. Turks included.

[Teutone]

All Asians. Turks included.

That would be a useless statistic, to group in all people of Asia.

Simply get a muslim map

Look at the near future

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/11/PF_11.29.17_muslims-update-23.png

[kundur]

France and Portugal are the two main countries which colonized permanently Africa and settled in their institution, culture and language. Angola people speak Portuguese rather than their own. Same in French colonial countries like Gabon, Congo, Ivory. In the end of the day, with European control still being felt in those regions (the elites being simply under French/Portuguese control), those people still all dream of Paris, Porto, etc.

Portuguese were involved in Black men slaves trade. It is why after Nigeria, modern Brazil is the second country in the world with highest Black people population.

The English were more busy subjugating the Afrikaners to the south and later to link up, through land connection, with their Egyptian possessions to the north, with later taking what was left from Germans here and there, Tanzania and Namibia. When you look, except from Kenya and Nigeria, the British don't have that much presence in Africa.

[pulstar]

That would be a useless statistic, to group in all people of Asia.

Simply get a muslim map

Look at the near future

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/11/PF_11.29.17_muslims-update-23.png

Point being is I'd like to see whats the % of indigenous population of that country. (100% - Blacks % - all Asians %)

[dydyflorent36]

France is also counting those in the overseas territory. If you exclude those areas then it'll probably be 4-6%.

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[TheMaestro]

Sweden pretty high, they have low birth rate and not such a big population so they will get repopulated by non-Euros pretty fast.
First time I've seen a black guy in Slovakia was when I was 13, I really don't get why would a foreigner move here, but in maybe like 20-30 years, central-Euro countries will be like heaven imo.

[Damião de Góis]

We have no official ethnic statistics (no race question in the census) so i would like to know how they came up with that number. 2,72% of 10 million is 272k people. I would say it's more than that.

[Cristiano viejo]

Africa starts at the Pyrinees :D

[Terminator98]

Sweden pretty high, they have low birth rate and not such a big population so they will get repopulated by non-Euros pretty fast.
First time I've seen a black guy in Slovakia was when I was 13, I really don't get why would a foreigner move here, but in maybe like 20-30 years, central-Euro countries will be like heaven imo.

In next few decades Westerners will start to migrate to Slovakia, Czechia, Poland and Hungary, I honestly believe.

[Cristiano viejo]

In next few decades Westerners will start to migrate to Slovakia, Czechia, Poland and Hungary, I honestly believe.

Why? what do you think is going to happen?

If happens, let me a place in Vojvodina! :lol:

[Ranger0075]

Are they considering half french as blacks too? France is flooded by mulattoes/quadroons too

[Turul Karom]

In next few decades Westerners will start to migrate to Slovakia, Czechia, Poland and Hungary, I honestly believe.

All because Hungary is "white" and protects its border does not mean that Hungary is an open door for Europeans. Americans, or any other European, who come to Hungary and merely use it as a space for their own cultural means are no better than those who come from Africa or Arabia to displace Hungarians. A German, French or Swedish ghetto of the people who wrought their own ends in their own nations, only to flee to Hungary and perform the same virtue-signaling garbage is moronic. Hungary is not like the Anglosphere; it is not an "economic zone" where everything has become a series of enclaves and cultural bunkers where people live to just make money. The Hungarian economy already lags behind the west, which is why some are able to boast about taking advantage of possibly buying citizenship (one of the truly worst ideas any nation could enact). Budapest is at risk of becoming just another copy-paste global city that will have the same problems they want to flee from all over again.

All that money to move to Hungary, and people don't talk about much about donating or investing it into preserving the Hungarian identity? Unlike the EU and Soros, who invest heavily in seeing that the Hungarian personhood-identity is washed away into the melting pot of the EU.

Do people talk about the importance of integration to Hungary? No. Do Western escapists talk about the long history of our steppe past? No. Do these people talk about the importance of learning the language, even if slowly, to show how earnest you are about being seen as belonging? No. They are the very cliché they proclaim to fight. Better not tell them about kurultaj or have them read a history book!

The only legitimate means of accessing Hungary to stay long term, which people often focus the LEAST time on, is via ancestry and being born automatically as a Hungarian. Hungarians born in Hungary, the Anglosphere, or anywhere else in the world to Hungarian parents would be best to always have a right to citizenship for their ancestral people. People like oszkar or Mr. G, who are real Hungarians and not leeches from decaying empires, but rather people who appreciate the culture and legacy. The only acceptable remaining option would be to earn citizenship and adopt a Hungarian identity over a long, long period of time. At least some people get this idea:

https://i.imgur.com/fyMqPJ5.png

[Terminator98]

Why? what do you think is going to happen?

https://i.imgur.com/ATV3qkP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6qoAVjn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MC89elG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4l3W3Ca.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dJWNwbL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0ROPdUH.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

That map was made by morons, blacks are way more than estimated there. In Portugal blacks (including mulatos/mixed) are at least the double.

[Sebastianus Rex]

What asians? East? They're very low % everywhere, quasi non existant.

In France they are over 1 million, lots of Vietnamese and Chinese.

If we talk about south Asians they are rapidly increasing, in the UK they are more than blacks.

[Sebastianus Rex]

That would be a useless statistic, to group in all people of Asia.

Simply get a muslim map

Look at the near future

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/11/PF_11.29.17_muslims-update-23.png

LMAO 2050 ! Those projections are a fucking joke, we are already not far behind those figures, 2030-35 is more realistic.

[Cristiano viejo]

All because Hungary is "white" and protects its border does not mean that Hungary is an open door for Europeans. Americans, or any other European, who come to Hungary and merely use it as a space for their own cultural means are no better than those who come from Africa or Arabia to displace Hungarians.
sorry but it will happens, we Western Europeans will settle in Eastern Europe with no problem, returning the visit of millions and millions of Eastern Europeans here, and that are contributing to destroy this part of Europe :thumb001:
Fair is fair.

[Turul Karom]

sorry but it will happens, we Western Europeans will settle in Eastern Europe with no problem, returning the visit of millions and millions of Eastern Europeans here, and that are contributing to destroy this part of Europe :thumb001:
Fair is fair.

I'm not talking about Eastern Europe. I am talking about Hungary, specifically. I am not aware of the % of Hungarian nationals in Spain; maybe you have the details.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm not talking about Eastern Europe. I am talking about Hungary, specifically. I am not aware of the % of Hungarian nationals in Spain; maybe you have the details.

Well Hungary is considered Eastern Europe in Spain.

Around 10.000 Hungarians here.

[Turul Karom]

Well Hungary is considered Eastern Europe in Spain.

Around 10.000 Hungarians here.

Ok? But you said "Eastern Europe" when talking about settlement and Eastern Europeans helping to "wreck" your area. I'm only talking about Hungary, no other Eastern European nation. So why even bring them up? We have a different history.

If 10k Magyar is somehow too much, then feel free to send them back to us.

What is the number of migrants in Spain from Africa and the Middle East?

[Ranger0075]

I don't believe Western Euros will move to other parts of Europe, if they want to live in a white place much likely they will keep living in white neighborhoods/regions of their own country while getting western standards of income, life's expectancy and quality of life far from ghettos. It is something common amongst whites in Latin America (upper classes) and North America too.

[Viriatus91]

The numbers for Portugal are probably only looking at the number of foreigners in Portugal. Portugal has been very liberal in granting citizenship to foreigners, so this does not take into account Africans who arrived with Portuguese citizenship or obtained it. Every 10 years, Portugal does have a census with the foreign-born population, that coupled with the numbers of foreigners granted citizenship could probably give as a more accurate picture. I used the figures from 2011 to 2019 to come with a maximum of around 475,000 from the African countries. Another 60,000 to 75,000 from Brazil would give Portugal a maximum of around 550,000 people of African ancestry, or around 5%. A lower estimate would be around 402,500 or 4%. It is really hard to say because many people who obtained Portuguese nationality moved to other countries in Europe.

Estimates would be as follows:
Cape Verdeans 150,000 to 200,000
Guinea-Bissau 75,000 to 100,000
Angola 60,000 to 80,000
Sao Tome and Principe 40,000 to 55,000
Mozambican 12,500 to 15,000
Senegalese 7,500 to 10,000
Other African Countries 7,500 to 15,000

Brazilian-born in Portugal around 250,000, of perhaps one third have a significant amount of African ancestry (over 25%). Also it's important to remember that the Brazilian-born population includes the children of Portuguese immigrants who returned to Portugal. One thing of the large influx of Brazilians in the recent years was the increase in upper and middle class Brazilians who tend to be more European. This was the opposite was true earlier in the 1990s and 2000s with poorer Brazilians being overrepresented.

Regarding Muslims, most are a minority from Guinea-Bissau, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and a small number of Moroccans, Turks and a few Mozambicans. Currently they are probably just under 45,000 in Portugal, up from 20,000 in 2013, making them under 0.5% of the total population currently.

[TheMaestro]

Why? what do you think is going to happen?

If happens, let me a place in Vojvodina! :lol:

Booming economy - A lot of start up companies (In last 10 years I've seen really insane progress, next 20 years will be crucial, Good climate, no immigration problems, low taxes, real freedom of speech, relatively cheap stuff and beautiful women.

[renaissance12]

https://i.imgur.com/FpJcuLY.png


Is it real ?

8.3 % In France... so many BLACK-AFRICANS..

Or they consider black people from Algeria Morocco Tunisia..

[Prometheus]

France :sad:

[renaissance12]

Africa starts at the Pyrinees :D


Oh... really ?... Now everything is clear....:cool:

[Davystayn]

Yes it's only about blacks. Idk if they counted UK's large mulatto population as black though.

Yes mixed race marriages are extremely common, you only need to look at any football team to see how many mulattos are being produced daily, 98% chance the mothers are white, of course.

If mixed race people are included, I reckon 25% overall for the UK, prob same as france overall too.

[TheMaestro]

sorry but it will happens, we Western Europeans will settle in Eastern Europe with no problem, returning the visit of millions and millions of Eastern Europeans here, and that are contributing to destroy this part of Europe :thumb001:
Fair is fair.

Puskás already gave you much more than you will ever give to Hungary.

[Zeno]

There's no way it's 1,21% for Greece. I mean, you can't even meet many in Athens, the only place in which they're settled in.

[dydyflorent36]

As I've mentioned previously the black population in France's overseas territories is most likely being included in the figures. So the real percentage excluding illegal migrants is probably at 5-6% unless they've included mulattos. The black figure in Portugal is probably around 3-5% but i hear that many of them leave for other European nations.

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[The Lawspeaker]

That's basically 2.93% percent too many.

[Autrigón]

That map was made by morons, blacks are way more than estimated there. In Portugal blacks (including mulatos/mixed) are at least the double.The same in Spain, I guess they are not counting the illegals.

I see blacks everyday in my daily life wherever I go and I don't live in a big city.

[Tooting Carmen]

Do these figures include mixed-race people or not? If so, then in the UK it should be 5-6% (at least).

[Universe]

Do these figures include mixed-race people or not? If so, then in the UK it should be 5-6% (at least).

Good kweschan.

[TheMaestro]

Do these figures include mixed-race people or not? If so, then in the UK it should be 5-6% (at least).

Are Mullatos refeering themself as Black or Welsh?

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes mixed race marriages are extremely common, you only need to look at any football team to see how many mulattos are being produced daily, 98% chance the mothers are white, of course.

If mixed race people are included, I reckon 25% overall for the UK, prob same as france overall too.

Don't exaggerate now. 25% could well be the figure once you include ALL non-whites, but not just Black and mixed-race people. I'd estimate 10% of the UK population to be of South Asian origin, around 5% to be Black, another 5% mixed-race people of various sorts, and another 5% of other ethnic groups (Chinese, Arabs, Turks etc).

[Tooting Carmen]

Are Mullatos refeering themself as Black or Welsh?

We have a separate category for mixed-race people in the census and various other forms, including White-Black Caribbean, White-Black African, White-Asian, Other Mixed.

[Samnium]

Don't exaggerate now. 25% could well be the figure once you include ALL non-whites, but not just Black and mixed-race people. I'd estimate 10% of the UK population to be of South Asian origin, around 5% to be Black, another 5% mixed-race people of various sorts, and another 5% of other ethnic groups (Chinese, Arabs, Turks etc).

Roughly the same as what I estimate for France, 25% of "diversity".

[Tooting Carmen]

Roughly the same as what I estimate for France, 25% of "diversity".

Would you say France nowadays has more NAs or Blacks?

[Samnium]

Would you say France nowadays has more NAs or Blacks?

NAs, but NA woman have less childrens than they did 20 years ago, meanwhile Black minority is reproducing and growing very fast.

So within 15 years I think Blacks will surpass NAs in numbers.

I think that there is something like 8-10 millions NAs in France (a crazy number)...

[Tooting Carmen]

NAs, but NA woman have less childrens than they did 20 years ago, meanwhile Black minority is reproducing and growing very fast.

So within 15 years I think Blacks will surpass NAs in numbers.

I think that there is something like 8-10 millions NAs in France (a crazy number)...

Also, would you say White-NA or White-Black mixes are more common?

[gixajo]

Something that I would like to say is that even in France, blacks are a big minority in Paris and cities like Marseille or Lyon.
But in the countryside or in medium/small toens they are extremely rare almost nonexistent...

Paris+Marseille+Lyon (and their metropolitan areas population= more than 1/4 of the total population of France.

[gixajo]

NAs, but NA woman have less childrens than they did 20 years ago, meanwhile Black minority is reproducing and growing very fast.

So within 15 years I think Blacks will surpass NAs in numbers.

I think that there is something like 8-10 millions NAs in France (a crazy number)...

Are NAs in France a totally closed comunity? I mean, what do you consider is their level of integration with French natives or with other ethnic groups?

[Samnium]

Also, would you say White-NA or White-Black mixes are more common?

Difficult to say, both are equally "common" I would say


Are NAs in France a totally closed comunity? I mean, what do you consider is their level of integration with French natives or with other ethnic groups?

Def. not "integrated" and will never be because they aren't White. They live mostly in peripheries called "banlieues", pretty separated from French natives, but it's only to a certain degree. There are many NAs that live in normal cities or rural villages too so...

[ixulescu]

Doesn't seem far from the truth (for France), I estimate "diversity" including : North-Africans, Southern Asians, Asiatic, Subsaharan people (basically all Non Whites) to 25% of the current population in France. 8.35% of Blacks isn't at all overrated considering that they are the minority that's growing the most rapidly. They have like 5 childs per household.

Yeah, my country is being replaced at a great speed :(

What specific policies allowed this to happen (NA and SSA migration)? I'm sure France in the 1970s was not the same as today.

[Universe]

What specific policies allowed this to happen (NA and SSA migration)? I'm sure France in the 1970s was not the same as today.

I doubt other european countries have much different policies.

[gixajo]

Difficult to say, both are equally "common" I would say



Def. not "integrated" and will never be because they aren't White. They live mostly in peripheries called "banlieues", pretty separated from French natives, but it's only to a certain degree. There are many NAs that live in normal cities or rural villages too so...

If for example if there is a conflict between their religiosity and the secularism(laicism?) of the values of the French state, if they socialize with the natives, if they adapt local customs as their own, if they feel French ahead of their former countries of origin.

What percentage could you consider to be simply French with a different religion (not in traits) or would you consider that you could not even consider them French?

Do these percentages change depending on whether they are second or third generation immigrants? That is, does it improve the integration of children and grandchildren already born in France to those who arrived from other countries directly?

[gixajo]

What specific policies allowed this to happen (NA and SSA migration)? I'm sure France in the 1970s was not the same as today.

The arrival of North African immigrants (not all muslims, and in such large numbers.) would have started in France just after the independence of Algeria(1962).

[Samnium]

What specific policies allowed this to happen (NA and SSA migration)? I'm sure France in the 1970s was not the same as today.

- Regroupement familial, that allowed people from the same family to join their father, their husband, their son already installed... in France.
- Naturalisations in great number, some years there are 100 000 that are naturalized and that become "French" (by papers).
- Droit du sol, if you are born in France, no matter of your ethnical background, you would be considered as French by law. Many strangers used this gap to install themselves in France, they can't get expulsed if their child is born in France;
- Refusal of sending back illegal migrants
- Refusal of limiting legal migrants (students...)
- Islam permitted to create deeply "rooted" communities where newly arrivants could live with people like them
- Linked to that, corruption of French politics caste, and their stupid belief that immigrants will vote for them when they will become the majority. Propaganda of mainstream medias and celebrities in favor of "humanist" values

At the end, all these things are just the consequence of the republican regime that doesn't permit to separate the stranger from the autochtonous. Revolutionaries were universalists, believed that their values could be applied worldwide and that their nation wasn't composed of people linked by an ethnical substrat but rather by an approval of abstract values.

[Samnium]

If for example if there is a conflict between their religiosity and the secularism(laicism?) of the values of the French state, if they socialize with the natives, if they adapt local customs as their own, if they feel French ahead of their former countries of origin.

What percentage could you consider to be simply French with a different religion (not in traits) or would you consider that you could not even consider them French?

Ethnically they wouldn't be French, not even the slightest. To me the "cut-off" point is to be half/half, and the other half being euro. I could accept a minority of them, if they are respectuous of the laws and that they don't provock problems but they will never be French.



Do these percentages change depending on whether they are second or third generation immigrants? That is, does it improve the integration of children and grandchildren already born in France to those who arrived from other countries directly?

They are still not "integrated" (if it means anything) to France, even after generations and generations.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ethnically they wouldn't be French, not even the slightest. To me the "cut-off" point is to be half/half, and the other half being euro. I could accept a minority of them, if they are respectuous of the laws and that they don't provock problems but they will never be French.




They are still not "integrated" (if it means anything) to France, even after generations and generations.

Would you not regard even Rachida Dati or Zinedine Zidane as 'integrated'? Your definition of who can be accepted as fully French is quite convenient - so someone who is 50% French 25% Russian 25% Greek is fine, but someone who is 90% French 10% Japanese or Nigerian isn't?

[dydyflorent36]

Roughly the same as what I estimate for France, 25% of "diversity".So 1 in 4 people in France are non-white? That's a little bit of an exaggeration. I've been in Brittany, Picardy, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Normandy, Ardèche and rarely saw any Arabs or Blacks, just a handful. They mostly reside in the banlieues on the outskirts of the big cities and towns.

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[blueberry99]

Don't exaggerate now. 25% could well be the figure once you include ALL non-whites, but not just Black and mixed-race people. I'd estimate 10% of the UK population to be of South Asian origin, around 5% to be Black, another 5% mixed-race people of various sorts, and another 5% of other ethnic groups (Chinese, Arabs, Turks etc).

The projections for England in the census next year state a BAME proportion of at least 20%. Considering whites from other countries, the white British population would be 75% at best, probably a bit lower.

London's BAME population will be close to a half (45-50%) and only 1 in 3 will be White British; the difference will be Whites from other countries.

Birmingham and some others will join Leicester in having a BAME-majority population.

Also consider that the BAME population is much younger and urban than the White population so the average school in most cities will have White British students making up a small fraction of total students.

You can also boost the above figures by at least 10% if you consider younger adults aged 18-39 (i.e. almost one-third across the country as a whole being BAME).

[Melki]

Not all Blacks are immigrants in France.

Keep in mind that France is not restricted to Europe only. It's one of the countries in the world with the most overseas districts and territories. All the residents living there have full French citizenship and are not considered as migrants.

-Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana (populated by Blacks, Mulattos, native Amazonian tribes, Asians and whites) in the Americas, Reunion (Mulattos, Indians, Whites and former African slaves) and Mayotte (mostly Blacks) in the Indian Ocean are 100% French lands, as much French as Alaska and Hawaii are full parts of the United States or the Canary are Spanish islands.

-there are also the territories and collectivities of New Caledonia (where white people are more numerous than indigenous Kanaks), French Polynesia, Wallis and Futuna, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon (populated by ethnic Bretons, Normans and Basques exclusively), Saint Martin (the only part of France where English is more spoken than French) and Saint Barthelemy (which houses a majority of white people).
These territories are as much part of France as Greenland and Faroe Islands are Danish, or Puerto Rico and Guam belong to the US.

-several remote Islands and uninhabited barren rocks in the Subantarctic Ocean, the Pacific or the Indian Ocean, providing a lot of maritime zones to France, virtually the most extended nation on the world after the US.

Under these conditions, expect to see more diversity than in a landlocked country of the Balkans.

[Cristiano viejo]

Africa starts at the Pyrenees indeed :D

[Rocinante]

Delicate situation in France

https://i.redd.it/97ltjknhigd51.png

I'm not racist but thank God it is less than 1% in Spain, but Madrid is full of them (Top Mantas).

[Blondie]

In Hungary these blacks live almost only in Budapest and they go to West after university, so their number is not growing although the migration from Nigeria is continuous. 99,99% of local blacks are nigerian, i don't know why they came only from Nigeria.

[Melki]

Africa starts at the Pyrenees indeed :D

You know, when this expression was first coined in 19th Century's France, it was a clear reference to Spain.:p

Furthermore, here's what Dominique Dufour de Pradt wrote in his essay Mémoires historiques sur la Révolution d'Espagne (1816):

"It is an error of geography to have assigned Spain to Europe; it belongs to Africa: blood, manners, language, the way of life and making war, in Spain everything is African. The two nations have been mixed up for too long–the Carthaginians who came from Africa to Spain, the Vandals who left Spain for Africa, the Moors who stayed in Spain for 700 years–for such a long cohabitation not to have confused the race and customs of the two countries. If the Spaniard were Mohammedan, he would be completely African; it is religion that has kept it in Europe."

https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81frica_empieza_en_los_Pirineos

[luc2112]

Brazil has 20% SSA (genetic pool) and 15% Amerindian, more than 50% of the population Pardo. Colonial cities look like a "New Orleans" here a little complicated...

[Cristiano viejo]

You know, when this expression was first coined in 19th Century's France, it was a clear reference to Spain.:p

You should worry for real life today, not for a subjective expression from the 19th century, karma is a bitch xD

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

For the whole country it seems to be more or less accurate albeit in Lisbon it feels a lot more than just 3%, probably because it is where 95% of these 3% are concentrated.

[Sebastianus Rex]

For the whole country it seems to be more or less accurate albeit in Lisbon it feels a lot more than just 3%, probably because it is where 95% of these 3% are concentrated.

You're dreaming, it's at least the double for the whole country (blacks and mixed).

[luc2112]

You're dreaming, it's at least the double for the whole country (blacks and mixed).
Mulattos? or undefined brown/Pardo?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You're dreaming, it's at least the double for the whole country (blacks and mixed).

I think we tend to overestimate how many there are in the whole country to be honest and the reason being is that they are a very visible minority in the Lisbon metropolitan area. If you drove 20 km away to Ericeira or Mafra you already barely see any black individual on the streets.

I have heard some people speculating that there might be as many as one million, which is crazy. Imagine if the entire cities of Coimbra, Aveiro and Braga combined were inhabited only by people of black African descent, it already sounds huge for our demographic reality but that is not even one third of a million.

[Damião de Góis]

I think we tend to overestimate how many there are in the whole country to be honest and the reason being is that they are a very visible minority in the Lisbon metropolitan area. If you drove 20 km away to Ericeira or Mafra you already barely see any black individual on the streets.

I have heard some people speculating that there might be as many as one million, which is crazy. Imagine if the entire cities of Coimbra, Aveiro and Braga combined were inhabited only by people of black African descent, it already sounds huge for our demographic reality but that is not even one third of a million.

Well i don't want to exaggerate but i've been on buses where it was only africans except the driver and me. :laugh:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Well i don't want to exaggerate but i've been on buses where it was only africans except the driver and me. :laugh:

I use the train on a daily basis in work days and there is also a significant number of them as well, as in any other form of public transportation in the metropolitan area. The majority of Africans in Portugal do not own a car. That is why the beaches that usually have problems with them are the ones that are nearby train stations, as soon as you go to another beach that is not accessible by public transportation they are a rare sight, just to give an example.

If you go to work by public transportation you do not witness the millions of cars that jam the traffic in Lisbon on a daily basis then (people who go to work by car are still the vast majority), in the IC19, A5, A16, A1, 25 de Abril, Marginal, 2ª Circular, etc, 95% of those drivers are ethnic Portuguese.

I rarely ever see Portuguese parents carrying babies or their kids to school or kindergarten on trains or buses but it is common among black women because they do not have any other choice, they do not own a car.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Mulattos? or undefined brown/Pardo?

All togheter. And I not only include africans and afro descendants but also non white Brazilians with afro traits.

[Damião de Góis]

I use the train on a daily basis in work days and there is also a significant number of them as well, as in any other form of public transportation in the metropolitan area. The majority of Africans in Portugal do not own a car. That is why the beaches that usually have problems with them are the ones that are nearby train stations, as soon as you go to another beach that is not accessible by public transportation they are a rare sight, just to give an example.

If you go to work by public transportation you do not witness the millions of cars that jam the traffic in Lisbon on a daily basis then (people who go to work by car are still the vast majority), in the IC19, A5, A16, 25 de Abril, Marginal, 2ª Circular, etc, 95% of those drivers are ethnic Portuguese.

I rarely ever see Portuguese parents carrying babies or their kids to school or kindergarten on trains or buses but it is common among black women because they do not have any other choice, they do not own a car.

I've been in the traffic jams and have used public transports going to work so i know both realities. The story about the bus happened in Margem Sul but i have also used the train from Sintra to Lisbon for a brief time and certain stations is almost all blacks that go in and out like Monte Abraão, Amadora or Queluz (at least that's what i thought).

But yeah these are all stories from Lisbon metro area and you're right that they are concentrated there but don't think they don't exist elsewhere. I believe there are blacks in all capitals of district.

[El_Abominacion]

The projections for England in the census next year state a BAME proportion of at least 20%. Considering whites from other countries, the white British population would be 75% at best, probably a bit lower.

London's BAME population will be close to a half (45-50%) and only 1 in 3 will be White British; the difference will be Whites from other countries.

Birmingham and some others will join Leicester in having a BAME-majority population.

Also consider that the BAME population is much younger and urban than the White population so the average school in most cities will have White British students making up a small fraction of total students.

You can also boost the above figures by at least 10% if you consider younger adults aged 18-39 (i.e. almost one-third across the country as a whole being BAME).

I feel like the BAME % of London will be even higher tbh. More in the 50-55% range

[Luso]

My dad got his wallet stole by some African guys when we were taking the Metro de Lisboa... around 10 yrs ago

[Voskos]

I'm afraid Blacks will probably come after whites like they did in South Africa. They have a very strong sense of community no matter how liberal or ''cool'' they act in order to be accepted in their host countries.

[Sebastianus Rex]

I think we tend to overestimate how many there are in the whole country to be honest and the reason being is that they are a very visible minority in the Lisbon metropolitan area. If you drove 20 km away to Ericeira or Mafra you already barely see any black individual on the streets.

I have heard some people speculating that there might be as many as one million, which is crazy. Imagine if the entire cities of Coimbra, Aveiro and Braga combined were inhabited only by people of black African descent, it already sounds huge for our demographic reality but that is not even one third of a million.

It's more than that, around 150 thousand are African immigrants, then we have even more (I would say way more) with Portuguese nationality.

Not only in Lisbon and the metro area, especially Sintra, Amadora, Odivelas, Loures, Almada, Seixal, Barreiro. Only in those areas I think there are easily 300K and I think you underestimate the number that are scattered around the country, there are already sizeable communities in Algarve and in Porto metro area also.

If you group all blacks, mullatos, cabritos/pardos (tens of thousands of mullatos/cabritos came with retornados 45 yes ago) plus the non white/part black Brazilians, my estimate is much more realistic. Portugal is one of the European countries with more blacks, perhaps only behind France and up there with the UK, that is the impression from my travels.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I'm afraid Blacks will probably come after whites like they did in South Africa. They have a very strong sense of community no matter how liberal or ''cool'' they act in order to be accepted in their host countries.

They do not have a very strong sense of community, quite the opposite. More blacks kill other blacks than any other ethnic group does.

I used to live in Africa. Imagine the Balkans and multiply it by one hundred. Each African nation has a shitload of different ethnic groups that more often that not hate on eachother and have historical rivalries.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's more than that, around 150 thousand are African immigrants, then we have even more (I would say way more) with Portuguese nationality.

Not only in Lisbon and the metro area, especially Sintra, Amadora, Odivelas, Loures, Almada, Seixal, Barreiro. Only in those areas I think there are easily 300K and I think you underestimate the number that are scattered around the country, there are already sizeable communities in Algarve and in Porto metro area also.

If you group all blacks, mullatos, cabritos/pardos (tens of thousands of mullatos/cabritos came with retornados 45 yes ago) plus the non white/part black Brazilians, my estimate is much more realistic. Portugal is one of the European countries with more blacks, perhaps only behind France and up there with the UK, that is the impression from my travels.

In the Algarve I believe they are mostly seasonal workers, not permanent residents. In Porto there are a few but miles away from the reality of Lisbon.

Por lá eles andam de cabeça p'ra baixo que a gunada do Porto ainda consegue ser mais fodida que eles :lol:

[luc2112]

All togheter. And I not only include africans and afro descendants but also non white Brazilians with afro traits.

They would be brown/Pardos depending on the region, most in São Paulo (+- 35%) are brown (Rio de Janeiro and Bahia, mulattos)

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In the USA they would be "Latinas".

[Sebastianus Rex]

In the Algarve I believe they are mostly seasonal workers, not permanent residents. In Porto there are a few but miles away from the reality of Lisbon.

Por lá eles andam de cabeça p'ra baixo que a gunada do Porto ainda consegue ser mais fodida que eles :lol:

No, they are permanent residents, I live here all year round, there's a sizeable black population and many are not even from Palops, but ofc still not comparable to Lx.

Actually if you come in the winter with almost no tourism you will see a higher percentage of blacks/browns (also loads of pakis). Tourism (national and international) mitigates that visual effect.

[luc2112]

I'm afraid Blacks will probably come after whites like they did in South Africa. They have a very strong sense of community no matter how liberal or ''cool'' they act in order to be accepted in their host countries.

They would go after development (employment) and a place that would accept them. In South Africa the majority would be 80% as they are less qualified were vital that they did not assume power, but unfortunately ....
Latam goes through a similar problem as the left is always opportunistic wanting votes from poor people.

[Melki]

So 1 in 4 people in France are non-white? That's a little bit of an exaggeration. I've been in Brittany, Picardy, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Normandy, Ardèche and rarely saw any Arabs or Blacks, just a handful. They mostly reside in the banlieues on the outskirts of the big cities and towns.

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Of course, but most TA members are short-sighted hipsters. Whenever they travel to France they always stick to Paris and big urban areas, where they eat McDonald's and KFC every day. They never consider renting a car and explore the most remote villages. They also tend to think that football players are the epitome of Human genera and are representative of the ethnic composition of a country.:rolleyes:


You should worry for real life today, not for a subjective expression from the 19th century, karma is a bitch xD

I don't believe in karma, I'm not a Buddhist. And I think it's quite logical that the black population is more represented in France than in any other European nation, because:

-France was a main colonial power in Africa, much more than Portugal and even more than Britain. Spain owned only Equatorial Guinea and some pieces of Morocco.

-France still has plenty of territories scattered around the World, remnants of its former colonial Empire. There are plenty of black people living on distant islands who will never set foot on continental France, but are still considered French. They are also taken into account in these 8%.

And why should I worry? Unlike many people here, I'm not obsessed with "being replaced".
Besides, Blacks are usually more laid back and less involved in criminality than Maghrebis.
I am much more concerned about the violent settlings of scores (like the one we had in June) between the Algerian drug mafia and the Chechen community. Because of them, France is slowly becoming a lawless jungle.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Por lá eles andam de cabeça p'ra baixo que a gunada do Porto ainda consegue ser mais fodida que eles :lol:

O Águia conhece bem o meio e poderá responder. Eu só conheço o Porto de passeio e como é lógico não me meto nos bairros complicados.

A ideia que tenho é que atualmente a gunada já está um bocado misturada, por exemplo neste clip de rap feito num bairro de gunas o gajo mais "branco" até parece o cantor Sofiane que é argelino. xD


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[Universe]

The meaning of karma has been a bit hijacked in the western context, it has been adopted as something that's purely mystical. Originally in the east it meant cause and effect relationship, meaning one's actions have consequences eg. you're speeding with a car and then you crash as a result, that would be karma too in the eastern context. So in a way France having high % of black population is karma.