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Laly
07-29-2020, 04:20 PM
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In the USA, only 18.4 percent of bachelor’s degrees in engineering go to women, and women make up between 8 and 34 percent of the engineering workforce, depending on the subfield.

“The West has invested billions of dollars to address the issue of gender inequality in engineering and computing and has basically failed,” explains Washington State University adjunct associate engineering professor Ashley Ater Kranov, the investigator who came up with the initial research.

Charles and Bradley, professors at the University of California at Santa Barbara and Western Washington University, respectively, had found that the STEM gender gap was smaller in countries like Iran, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, and Oman than in the U.S.—in other words, men still made up the majority of STEM graduates overall, but there were more women by comparison. They even found a reverse gender gap in those same nations when it came to certain STEM measurements—for instance, women in Iran, Oman, Saudi Arabia, and Uzbekistan earned more than 50 percent of the total number of science degrees. On the flip side, the Netherlands was the weakest country for women’s representation in science. A similar pattern held true for engineering: While the most male-dominated engineering programs were in developed countries like Japan, Switzerland, Germany, and the U.S., Indonesia boasted 48 percent female engineers.

The more developed and affluent the country, the fewer female students said they wanted jobs in STEM when they grew up and that they liked math and science. This meant that the STEM gender gap contrast couldn’t be fully explained by economic decision-making—women (rationally) choosing more lucrative career paths in financially unstable environments.

Sources:

https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/11/the-stem-paradox-why-are-muslim-majority-countries-producing-so-many-female-engineers.html

https://www.catalyst.org/research/women-in-science-technology-engineering-and-mathematics-stem/

https://mvslim.com/female-engineers-muslim-countries-us/


How do you explain that?

pulstar
07-29-2020, 04:21 PM
Because they are poor

Laly
07-29-2020, 04:25 PM
Because they are poor

"The more developed and affluent the country, the fewer female students said they wanted jobs in STEM when they grew up and that they liked math and science. This meant that the STEM gender gap contrast couldn’t be fully explained by economic decision-making—women (rationally) choosing more lucrative career paths in financially unstable environments."

alpha.ghot
07-29-2020, 04:26 PM
America is producing less Female engineers but is ruling the whole world. Thats the whole point. No offence.

pulstar
07-29-2020, 04:30 PM
"The more developed and affluent the country, the fewer female students said they wanted jobs in STEM when they grew up and that they liked math and science. This meant that the STEM gender gap contrast couldn’t be fully explained by economic decision-making—women (rationally) choosing more lucrative career paths in financially unstable environments."

Regular jobs are badly paid, so they have to seek STEM jobs which require more specialized knowledge, and also some have the hope to move to developed countries to avoid deeply segregated societies.

Laly
07-29-2020, 04:34 PM
America is producing less Female engineers but is ruling the whole world. Thats the whole point. No offence.

So, please deliver your conclusion, go through with your ideas.

Moje ime
07-29-2020, 04:36 PM
In developed countries there is more variety of service activity and office administrative jobs that naturally more attract female workers.

Laly
07-29-2020, 04:51 PM
I actually find it funny that it is in the countries that push the most for feminism, gender equality, gender interchangeability, that there is such a gap.

Ford
07-29-2020, 05:03 PM
It's a secure field in which they are almost always guaranteed a job no matter what country. So they'd rather control their own destiny than to be married off to some random guy.

Incal
07-29-2020, 05:10 PM
It's a secure field in which they are almost always guaranteed a job no matter what country. So they'd rather control their own destiny than to be married off to some random guy.

And there are probably less harrassment.

frankhammer
07-29-2020, 06:10 PM
I actually find it funny that it is in the countries that push the most for feminism, gender equality, gender interchangeability, that there is such a gap.

In the "west" women have many choices open in front of them. Why not choose a career in a field you enjoy rather than one the "government" dictates needs more of a particular "enter gender, sexuality, race, ethnicity".

Maybe women in these fields within these nations listed will empower other women too. Their family, government and private industry have invested much into them and if critical within their fields, naturally they receive more protection from the ignorant. The men who abuse, rape and kill because they can.

Vigilance
07-29-2020, 08:07 PM
I believe most of these Muslim women in STEM are doing Biology or Nursing.

Also the real questions would be

- where do these Muslim Engineering colleges/universities rank internationally
- are these Muslim engineers in demand internationally?
- what are the innovations and inventions of these Muslim engineers?
- how competitive and difficult are their exams?

JamesBond007
07-29-2020, 08:12 PM
I actually find it funny that it is in the countries that push the most for feminism, gender equality, gender interchangeability, that there is such a gap.

It's not like these Muslim women are winning the Turing Award or the Fields medal (the nobel prize is overrated and political not that they are winning those either). So, the fact that Muslims have more female STEM graduates means nothing.

JamesBond007
07-29-2020, 08:14 PM
...

Also the real questions would be

- where do these Muslim Engineering colleges/universities rank internationally
- are these Muslim engineers in demand internationally?
- what are the innovations and inventions of these Muslim engineers?
- how competitive and difficult are their exams?

exactly

Ion Basescul
07-29-2020, 08:22 PM
Because the only hope they have to be treated like equal human beings is by escaping those countries. Usually engineering degrees are sought after when granting workers' visas.