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Marlez
07-30-2020, 04:32 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ancestry-of-europeans-traced-to-middle-east-172317.html


Europeans are largely descended from immigrant farmers from the Middle East, research suggested yesterday.

Scientists analysed genetic data from a wide range of Europeans and estimated the share of Middle Eastern genes. They looked for rare Y chromosome gene mutations called unique event polymorphisms (UEPs) which are not thought to have occurred more than once in recent human history. The presence of UEPs in different populations is likely to indicate common ancestry rather than recurrent changes in gene structure.

Lounes Chikhi, from University College London, and colleagues estimated that Middle Eastern farmers contributed roughly 50 per cent of the analysed genes to modern European populations. Contributions ranged from 15 per cent to 30 per cent in France and Germany to 85 per cent to 100 per cent in south-eastern European countries such as Albania, Macedonia and Greece.

Agriculture is widely accepted to have started in the Near East before farming was introduced across Europe about 10,000 years ago, replacing the hunter-gatherer existence. But experts disagree on whether ancient farmers migrated from the Middle East to Europe or simply spread ideas and practices.

The findings, reported in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, indicate modern Europeans have far more Middle Eastern ancestry than was thought. The scientists wrote: "Our results ... suggest that large movements of people accompanied the introduction of farming to Europe. Of course, farming practice may have spread concurrently by imitation and cultural transmission. Different processes are likely to have been important at different localities and at different times."

J. Ketch
07-30-2020, 04:42 AM
A really cutting edge study there from 2002. Were you even born?

Dr_Maul
07-30-2020, 04:43 AM
Horseshit article from 20 years ago

PaleoEuropean
07-30-2020, 04:44 AM
A really cutting edge study there from 2002. Were you even born?

Makes me feel old

Marlez
07-30-2020, 04:47 AM
A really cutting edge study there from 2002. Were you even born?

What does the new studies say?

Chris596
07-30-2020, 04:51 AM
Yes it's true (or partially) and now there's another hot topic: People have probably lived in America earlier than previously thought, at least that's what a new discovery suggests

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02190-y

Terminator98
07-30-2020, 04:52 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers

Marlez
07-30-2020, 05:03 AM
A really cutting edge study there from 2002. Were you even born?

Lmao

Wolfdog
07-30-2020, 05:03 AM
No.
Most of modern European people score 20-40% of Early Neolithic Farmers (from the Near East) ancestry.

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_vazanov/84479644/490909/490909_original.png


Some Greeks, Albanians and Sicilians/South Italians score up to 50%
But also some people from Baltic region score 10-15% or even less

J. Ketch
07-30-2020, 05:08 AM
What does the new studies say?
I'll tell you in 15 years, there's an embargo on new information.

Marlez
07-30-2020, 05:21 AM
No.
Most of modern European people score 20-40% of Early Neolithic Farmers (from the Near East) ancestry.

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_vazanov/84479644/490909/490909_original.png


Some Greeks, Albanians and Sicilians/South Italians score up to 50%
But also some people from Baltic region score 10-15% or even less

Says no and proceeds to say that there's admixture.

Okay anyway thanks for confirmation.

Wolfdog
07-30-2020, 05:49 AM
These illustrations will help you to understand basical models of racial genesis throughout history of human migrations

Sure these mixings were not something like 50%+50% balanced proportions and some things are clearly wrong here
(for example Dzudzuana people =/= Anatolian farmers ),
but these pics still quite illustrative

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_vazanov/84479644/491464/491464_original.jpg

dududud
07-30-2020, 07:50 AM
These illustrations will help you to understand basical models of racial genesis throughout history of human migrations

Sure these mixings were not something like 50%+50% balanced proportions and some things are clearly wrong here
(for example Dzudzuana people =/= Anatolian farmers ),
but these pics still quite illustrative



No sense: we do not know what exactly these populations look like; we only have a few reconstruction and a few samples, that's all, that doesn't allow us to generalize over the whole of a population (about the facial features; even guessing the variation in pigmentation of these preindo-European populations is complicated, even with samples, we cannot already say anything about the skin color of the Western Hunter Gatherer - dark, perhaps, but to what degree ? and were they all like that? didn't they have a variation in skin color? -, so imagine for the rest...).

In addition, the Anatolians Hunter Gatherer were genetically different from modern populations living in the Middle East (Turkey), it is also shown that the Anatolians Hunter Gatherer were different from the Levant Hunter Gatherer, and the former had very little contribution of the second (it was mainly only a cultural mutation, not mainly genetic).

It is wrong to use the term "Middle East", it is a recent term for a specific place with specific populations, with specific genetics (which are not just "EEF", as you would like make believe with the Sicilians example, who have a Levant Neolithic, Caucasus and Iran farmer contribution, like the Turks, who themselves have Mongolian blood in addition, and other hybrid populations, like the Ashkenazi too).

I have to be the only person on Apricity to be honest about the different contributions and not hide them and simplify things (for example saying that a population is "predominantly EEF" does not mean anything genetically, since All the contributions must be exposed: the Sicilians have less EEF contribution than the North Italians and have other contributions that make them less close to the original EEF).

I notice however that the person who created the thread is half Armenian ... I am not asserting anything, but I am assuming certain thing about the intention of this thread (some people like to stick their own racial identity issues on Europeans)...