SSA in North Africans

[Marlez]

They have on average nearly 25% SSA (GEDMatch). That's quadroon level!

Is their SSA real? I thought they were Caucasoid people.

[luc2112]

They have on average nearly 25% SSA (GEDMatch). That's quadroon level!

Is their SSA real? I thought they were Caucasoid people.

All haplogroups in Africa are "SSA" The real negroid is E2

north african is E1b1b Caucasoid skull (no european) they are white or brown. E1b1a is brown Caucasoid.


I think southern morocco has a negroid, congoloid/bantoid skull admixture with E1b1b

[dududud]

All haplogroups in Africa are "SSA" The real negroid is E2

north african is E1b1b Caucasoid skull (no european) they are white or brown. E1b1a is brown Caucasoid.


I think southern morocco has a negroid, congoloid/bantoid skull admixture with E1b1b

They are not considered "white" in France. Only weird mixed people like in America and Brezil (with weird and old taxonomy) think they are "white". Genetically speaking, they are what they are : Berber (including a good percentage of SSA, typicaly native). And they look like what they are.

[luc2112]

They are not considered "white" in France. Only weird mixed people like in America and Brezil (with weird and old taxonomy) think they are "white". Genetically speaking, they are what they are : Berber (including a good percentage of SSA, typicaly native). And they look like what they are.

hmmm Zidane is not white? What I wrote is not related to any country

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Zinedine_Zidane_by_Tasnim_01.jpg

E1b1b It is in southern Europe and Balkans

[Marlez]

All haplogroups in Africa are "SSA" The real negroid is E2

north african is E1b1b Caucasoid skull (no european) they are white or brown. E1b1a is brown Caucasoid.


I think southern morocco has a negroid, congoloid/bantoid skull admixture with E1b1b

You can't be Caucasoid if you have more than 20% SSA. That's defined as being a mixed race.

[luc2112]

You can't be Caucasoid if you have more than 20% SSA. That's defined as being a mixed race.

I suggest doing genetic analysis you can have 15% "SSA" . Armenia is Balkans. Mixed people are mixed I didn't say anything else

[Universe]

hmmm Zidane is not white? What I wrote is not related to any country

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Zinedine_Zidane_by_Tasnim_01.jpg

E1b1b It is in southern Europe and Balkans

Zidane is an ovious outlier among north africans.

[Petalpusher]

25% is rather Morocco but yes on average they are more or less 20%. Zidane should be much less, likely under 10%, he is berber.

[luc2112]

25% is rather Morocco but yes on average they are more or less 20%. Zidane should be much less, likely under 10%, he is berber.

Zidane can be 100% "SSA", like this woman below:

https://iloovefashiion.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/4e020-2lvmilq3xxfktzanizsvvw72hgcdwtydq5zx5bgb8le252cady j8hrfrb5kwb1skm3d-usgfrviahk6s6ypurgch6s.jpeg

[Petalpusher]

Zidane can be 100% "SSA", like this woman below:



What the fuck does it even mean? North Africans are still pred caucasoid, except maybe a few outliers south on the other hand of the spectrum.

[luc2112]

What the fuck does it even mean?
https://slideplayer.com/slide/15022266/91/images/10/Overall+Skull+Shape+Negroid+%E2%80%93+shorter+and+ wider.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdom-de/images/e/ef/7AB70133-DCB5-4549-9541-6DD97C391438_1024x1024.jpg

https://dasg7xwmldix6.cloudfront.net/episodes/740027_Qb9tayZm.jpg


North Africans are still pred caucasoid.
nope

[Petalpusher]

Oh you are one of those idiots going by skull shape, wrongly on top of it, to determine the percentage of SSA. Get lost.

[kundur]

French have traditionally been treating the Maghrebians as second class, low class people. However, over the last months, things have started to change as Turkey and Italy are taking root in Western Libya. French all of a sudden started to treat Maghrebians as normal humans, you saw Macron returning the skulls of Algerian freedom fighters to Algeria with state honors etc.
Maghrebis owe a thanks to Turks, since they are treated as normal human (something happening first time in 200 years) by their French overlords as a result of indirect Turkish interference.

[luc2112]

Oh you are one of those idiots going by skull shape, wrongly on top of it, to determine the percentage of SSA. Get lost.

The idiot is you I didn't say anything about the percentage. E1b1 (pure) is white Caucasian (I did not make this classification). To my knowledge there are people mixed with negroid in southern morocco

[Sora]

Coastal North Africans are no more than 15% SSA(or at most 20% SSA). When it goes through the south, it peaks among 20%-25%.

3/4 Tunisian + 1/4 Algerian

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 28.55
2 Atlantic_Med 25.15
3 Southwest_Asian 16.37
4 Caucasus 14.18
5 East_African 7.76
6 North_European 3.78
7 Sub_Saharan 3.54
8 Southeast_Asian 0.48
9 East_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 9.11
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.78
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.83
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 26.67
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.37
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.95
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 32.98
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.31
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.05
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.16
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 35.11
13 Jordanians (Behar) 35.96
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36.26
15 Palestinian (HGDP) 36.39
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 36.6
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 37.01
18 Lebanese (Behar) 37.46
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.61
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.15
2 83.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.18
3 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.24
4 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.24
5 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.38
6 82.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.48
7 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
8 83.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
9 84.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.69
10 84.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.77
11 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 5.78
12 84.4% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.86
13 78.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.87
14 65.2% Moroccans (Behar) + 34.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.88
15 82.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.9
16 84.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.92
17 81.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 5.93
18 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.96
19 85.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.98
20 64.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 35.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 6.01

11% SSA

Moroccan


Dad is from a city called Sefrou, near Fez and mom is a pure Berber from the Atlas mountains and the Souss area in Morocco.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 27.97
2 Atlantic_Med 25.47
3 Southwest_Asian 15.08
4 Caucasus 13.98
5 Sub_Saharan 8.64
6 East_African 7.83
7 North_European 1.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 8.07
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 17.53
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.03
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 28.13
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30.61
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 32.89
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 33.56
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.57
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 35.11
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 35.62
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 35.9
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 36.79
13 Jordanians (Behar) 36.99
14 Palestinian (HGDP) 37.47
15 O_Italian (Dodecad) 37.97
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 38.16
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 38.64
18 Lebanese (Behar) 38.72
19 Murcia (1000Genomes) 39.1
20 Yemenese (Behar) 39.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 5.06
2 86.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.3% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.45
3 86.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.48
4 87.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.8% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.53
5 86.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.6
6 86% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.69
7 85.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.71
8 87.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.75
9 87.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.3% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.76
10 87% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.82
11 88% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.87
12 87.5% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.91
13 83.4% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.92
14 88.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 5.95
15 89.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.8% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 5.95
16 88.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Spaniards (Behar) @ 5.96
17 89.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.7% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 5.99
18 89.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.7% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 6.01
19 85.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 6.03
20 88.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 6.03

16% SSA

[Petalpusher]

You ve just forgot that the "Northwest African" component is significantly SSA, but nice try.


The idiot is you I didn't say anything about the percentage. E1b1 (pure) is white Caucasian (I did not make this classification). To my knowledge there are people mixed with negroid in southern morocco

So you are even more retarded than i initially thought, going by haplogroups. Who are you, blackzillian Rethel?

[luc2112]

You ve just forgot that the "Northwest African" component is significantly SSA, but nice try.
You should look in the mirror, I write one thing and you understand another. The Egyptians were black for you I imagine




going by haplogroups.
YES


Who are you, blackzillian Rethel?

no

"SSA" E1b1 in europe:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E1b1b.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

Coastal North Africans are no more than 15% SSA(or at most 20% SSA). When it goes through the south, it peaks among 20%-25%.

3/4 Tunisian + 1/4 Algerian

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 28.55
2 Atlantic_Med 25.15
3 Southwest_Asian 16.37
4 Caucasus 14.18
5 East_African 7.76
6 North_European 3.78
7 Sub_Saharan 3.54
8 Southeast_Asian 0.48
9 East_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 9.11
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.78
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.83
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 26.67
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.37
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.95
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 32.98
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.31
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.05
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.16
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 35.11
13 Jordanians (Behar) 35.96
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36.26
15 Palestinian (HGDP) 36.39
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 36.6
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 37.01
18 Lebanese (Behar) 37.46
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.61
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.15
2 83.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.18
3 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.24
4 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.24
5 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.38
6 82.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.48
7 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
8 83.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
9 84.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.69
10 84.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.77
11 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 5.78
12 84.4% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.86
13 78.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.87
14 65.2% Moroccans (Behar) + 34.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.88
15 82.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.9
16 84.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.92
17 81.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 5.93
18 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.96
19 85.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.98
20 64.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 35.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 6.01

11% SSA

Moroccan



Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Northwest_African27.97
2Atlantic_Med25.47
3Southwest_Asian15.08
4Caucasus13.98
5Sub_Saharan8.64
6East_African7.83
7North_European1.02

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Algerian (Dodecad)8.07
2Moroccan (Dodecad)17.53
3Moroccans (Behar)18.03
4Morocco_Jews (Behar)28.13
5Egyptans (Behar)30.61
6Sephardic_Jews (Behar)32.89
7Canarias (1000Genomes)33.56
8Sicilian (Dodecad)34.57
9Ashkenazi (Dodecad)35.11
10S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)35.62
11Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)35.9
12C_Italian (Dodecad)36.79
13Jordanians (Behar)36.99
14Palestinian (HGDP)37.47
15O_Italian (Dodecad)37.97
16Portuguese (Dodecad)38.16
17TSI30 (Metspalu)38.64
18Lebanese (Behar)38.72
19Murcia (1000Genomes)39.1
20Yemenese (Behar)39.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 89%Algerian (Dodecad)+11%Sardinian (HGDP)@5.06
2 86.7%Algerian (Dodecad)+13.3%Tuscan (HGDP)@5.45
3 86.6%Algerian (Dodecad)+13.4%TSI30 (Metspalu)@5.48
4 87.2%Algerian (Dodecad)+12.8%North_Italian (HGDP)@5.53
5 86.2%Algerian (Dodecad)+13.8%C_Italian (Dodecad)@5.6
6 86%Algerian (Dodecad)+14%S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)@5.69
7 85.7%Algerian (Dodecad)+14.3%Sicilian (Dodecad)@5.71
8 87.6%Algerian (Dodecad)+12.4%N_Italian (Dodecad)@5.75
9 87.7%Algerian (Dodecad)+12.3%Andalucia (1000Genomes)@5.76
10 87%Algerian (Dodecad)+13%O_Italian (Dodecad)@5.82
11 88%Algerian (Dodecad)+12%Baleares (1000Genomes)@5.87
12 87.5%Algerian (Dodecad)+12.5%Murcia (1000Genomes)@5.91
13 83.4%Algerian (Dodecad)+16.6%Morocco_Jews (Behar)@5.92
14 88.8%Algerian (Dodecad)+11.2%Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes)@5.95
15 89.2%Algerian (Dodecad)+10.8%Valencia (1000Genomes)@5.95
16 88.9%Algerian (Dodecad)+11.1%Spaniards (Behar)@5.96
17 89.3%Algerian (Dodecad)+10.7%Aragon (1000Genomes)@5.99
18 89.3%Algerian (Dodecad)+10.7%Cantabria (1000Genomes)@6.01
19 85.8%Algerian (Dodecad)+14.2%Sephardic_Jews (Behar)@6.03
20 88.1%Algerian (Dodecad)+11.9%Galicia (1000Genomes)@6.03

16% SSAYou literally have a NW African component, which hides a significant amount of SSA.

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[Leto]

As an expert in Dodecad, I can tell you the NW African component is not mainly SSA. At least 80% Eurasian.

[luc2112]

Coastal North Africans are no more than 15% SSA(or at most 20% SSA). When it goes through the south, it peaks among 20%-25%.

3/4 Tunisian + 1/4 Algerian

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 28.55
2 Atlantic_Med 25.15
3 Southwest_Asian 16.37
4 Caucasus 14.18
5 East_African 7.76
6 North_European 3.78
7 Sub_Saharan 3.54
8 Southeast_Asian 0.48
9 East_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 9.11
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 16.78
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.83
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 26.67
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 31.37
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 31.95
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 32.98
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 33.31
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.05
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 34.16
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 35.11
13 Jordanians (Behar) 35.96
14 O_Italian (Dodecad) 36.26
15 Palestinian (HGDP) 36.39
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 36.6
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 37.01
18 Lebanese (Behar) 37.46
19 Tuscan (HGDP) 37.61
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 37.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.15
2 83.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.18
3 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.24
4 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.24
5 83.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.38
6 82.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.48
7 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
8 83.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.5
9 84.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.69
10 84.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.77
11 82.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 5.78
12 84.4% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.6% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.86
13 78.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.87
14 65.2% Moroccans (Behar) + 34.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.88
15 82.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 17.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 5.9
16 84.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 15.7% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.92
17 81.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.1% Canarias (1000Genomes) @ 5.93
18 81.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 5.96
19 85.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.98
20 64.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 35.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 6.01

11% SSA

Moroccan



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Northwest_African 27.97
2 Atlantic_Med 25.47
3 Southwest_Asian 15.08
4 Caucasus 13.98
5 Sub_Saharan 8.64
6 East_African 7.83
7 North_European 1.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 8.07
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 17.53
3 Moroccans (Behar) 18.03
4 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 28.13
5 Egyptans (Behar) 30.61
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 32.89
7 Canarias (1000Genomes) 33.56
8 Sicilian (Dodecad) 34.57
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 35.11
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 35.62
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 35.9
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 36.79
13 Jordanians (Behar) 36.99
14 Palestinian (HGDP) 37.47
15 O_Italian (Dodecad) 37.97
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 38.16
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 38.64
18 Lebanese (Behar) 38.72
19 Murcia (1000Genomes) 39.1
20 Yemenese (Behar) 39.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 5.06
2 86.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.3% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 5.45
3 86.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 5.48
4 87.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.8% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.53
5 86.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.6
6 86% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.69
7 85.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.71
8 87.6% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.75
9 87.7% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.3% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.76
10 87% Algerian (Dodecad) + 13% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.82
11 88% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.87
12 87.5% Algerian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.91
13 83.4% Algerian (Dodecad) + 16.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 5.92
14 88.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 5.95
15 89.2% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.8% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 5.95
16 88.9% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Spaniards (Behar) @ 5.96
17 89.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.7% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 5.99
18 89.3% Algerian (Dodecad) + 10.7% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 6.01
19 85.8% Algerian (Dodecad) + 14.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 6.03
20 88.1% Algerian (Dodecad) + 11.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 6.03

16% SSA

This SSA is questionable. I can only see a admixture (with negroid) in the south of Morocco:

Morroccan:

https://static.yabiladi.com/files/articles/6610246f4337cb05cfaf08854550ac73_thumb_565.jpg

Brazilian mix:

https://www.midiamax.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/julianapaes_d0cecd26dfc9d93acd376f188de2788f44f745 3d.jpeg

[Deusex99]

All North Africans have significant (above 10%) amount of SSA ancestry, both recent and ancient. Outliers can be as much as 70% SSA.

[Leto]

25% is rather Morocco but yes on average they are more or less 20%. Zidane should be much less, likely under 10%, he is berber.
Under 10%? Do you mean excluding the Iberomaurusian?

[Ion Basescul]

13% - Algerian average
https://i.ibb.co/Vgh96zJ/image.png

46% - Berber average from Algeria
https://i.ibb.co/9vQqmvg/image.png

14% - Moroccan average
https://i.ibb.co/7SrFMZz/image.png

6% - North Moroccan average
https://i.ibb.co/VQYhB7g/image.png

26% - South Moroccan average
https://i.ibb.co/vZzVrDG/image.png

10% - Tunisian average
https://i.ibb.co/H4xjzks/image.png

4% - Some kind of Chen Berber from Tunisia
https://i.ibb.co/9sh6SmL/image.png

9% - Some kind of Sen Berber from Tunisia
https://i.ibb.co/WcHbJFq/image.png

12% - Libyan average
https://i.ibb.co/N7ZR0wC/image.png

10% - Egyptian average
https://i.ibb.co/MDst33q/image.png

12% - Berber average from Mauritania
https://i.ibb.co/gyZR7tj/image.png

85% - Sudanese average
https://i.ibb.co/LR39Y0k/image.png

[luc2112]

All North Africans have significant (above 10%) amount of SSA ancestry, both recent and ancient. Outliers can be as much as 70% SSA.

The SSA they score Tuaregs/Berber 80% - 90% E1b1b the rest is basically E1b1a, this girl below is E1b1a (I don't know if I would consider it as black):

https://i.postimg.cc/t4PVyYzj/unnamed.jpg

[Rocinante]

You should look in the mirror, I write one thing and you understand another. The Egyptians were black for you I imagine




YES



no

"SSA" E1b1 in europe:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E1b1b.jpg

Don't use haplogroups for determine an ethnic breakdown. Haplogroups are just for knowing just an ancestral line and for trolling, nothing more.

On average, moroccans have ~14% of negro in their genepool

Target: Moroccan
Distance: 1.8815% / 0.01881491
32.0 Early_European_Farmer
25.4 Iberomaurusian
17.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
14.0 Sub-Saharan
6.4 Western_Steppe_Herder
4.4 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Satsurblia_Cluster

They can reach above 1/4 of negro in the South, is what we call a regular moroccan:

Target: Moroccan_South
Distance: 1.7405% / 0.01740533
31.6 Iberomaurusian
31.4 Early_European_Farmer
26.6 Sub-Saharan
5.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.2 Western_Steppe_Herder

And in the North they barely have negro:

Target: Moroccan_North
Distance: 1.8003% / 0.01800304
43.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.4 Iberomaurusian
8.6 Western_Steppe_Herder
7.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
6.4 Sub-Saharan
2.2 Iran_Neolithic
1.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.6 Satsurblia_Cluster

Crazy thing is how negro are the berbers in Algeria, i don't know if the samples are accurate:

Target: Berber_Algeria
Distance: 1.7322% / 0.01732161
46.2 Sub-Saharan
19.8 Early_European_Farmer
17.4 Iberomaurusian
11.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
4.2 Western_Steppe_Herder
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.2 Satsurblia_Cluster

[Leto]

The Algerian "Berbers" must be some kind of mulattoid Tuaregs. Those people are sure not predominantly Eurasian.

[Ion Basescul]

The Algerian "Berbers" must be some kind of mulattoid Tuaregs. Those people are sure not predominantly Eurasian.

Tuaregs are Berbers and going by the photos (https://www.google.com/search?q=tuareg&rlz=1C1GCEJ_enDE850DE850&sxsrf=ALeKk03bWr-WwGqI8P-APgPfNH0aB9pAFA:1596108155792&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinoZid7vTqAhViUBUIHVIUBs4Q_AUoAXoECBoQA w&biw=1920&bih=979), those results make sense.

[Leto]

The SSA they score Tuaregs/Berber 80% - 90% E1b1b the rest is basically E1b1a, this girl below is E1b1a (I don't know if I would consider it as black):

https://i.postimg.cc/t4PVyYzj/unnamed.jpg
Why are you talking so much about looks right here? For example the German rapper Bushido was born in Berlin to a Tunisian immigrant father and a German mother. Yet this is what he looks like. He doesn't consider himself white and even gave his quarter Moor kids Muslims names (his wife is American German)
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/german-rapper-bushido-attends-a-photocall-to-present-with-sido-their-picture-id129442213?s=612x612
https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/full/public/2011/11/11/189288-german-musician-bushido-r-and-anna-maria-lagerblom-arrive-on-the-red-c.jpg

[Fedora]

Which ancient Population does Atlantic_Med represents? They score barelay any North Europe but very high Atlantic_Med

[Leto]

Which ancient Population does Atlantic_Med represents? They score barelay any North Europe but very high Atlantic_Med
Some kind of Sardinian, I think. Western Mediterranean.

[luc2112]

Don't use haplogroups for determine an ethnic breakdown. Haplogroups are just for knowing just an ancestral line and for trolling, nothing more.

On average, moroccans have ~14% of negro in their genepool



Because I don't understand what the analyzer understands as Negro. North African does not seem to have negroid:

https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/123134/fgene-06-00012-r2/image_m/fgene-06-00012-g001.jpg

[Rocinante]

Because I don't understand what the analyzer understands as Negro. North African does not seem to have negroid:

https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/123134/fgene-06-00012-r2/image_m/fgene-06-00012-g001.jpg

Just 20 samples in Morocco and Lybia? One thing you have to be counting is that the negro in moroccans and the rest of norafricans are by slavery, so makes sense that legit negro haplogroups doesn't pop-up in any graph, but the thing is that the moroccans you see in Europe are easily heavy on negro admixture, they come from the South, and G25 samples doesn't lie.

[Ion Basescul]

Because I don't understand what the analyzer understands as Negro. North African does not seem to have negroid:



Mate, the descendant of a goddamn I1 Scandinavian who never came out of his swamp and miraculously stumbled upon African bussy, will still be 50% SSA, despite having haplogroup I1.

[Petalpusher]

Under 10%? Do you mean excluding the Iberomaurusian?

Counting the Iberomaurusian. They do exist on the coast but they are far from the majority.




Im gonna sum up the averages all those who can read those admixture's spreadsheet correctly and don't know what Iberomaurisian is made off.

Moroccan: 25%
Algeria : 20%
Tunisia: 15%

The majority is like the average with some fringes scoring more in the south and less in the north. Yet NA are still pred Caucasian Eurasian. In Africa, horners begin to be more SSA than Eurasian, everything north of it is more Causian than SSA.

[luc2112]

Mate, the descendant of a goddamn I1 Scandinavian who never came out of his swamp and miraculously stumbled upon African bussy, will still be 50% SSA, despite having haplogroup I1.

?

[Universe]

Mate, the descendant of a goddamn I1 Scandinavian who never came out of his swamp and miraculously stumbled upon African bussy, will still be 50% SSA, despite having haplogroup I1.

Haplogroups are sometimes so misused it's not even funny.

[luc2112]

The Algerian "Berbers" must be some kind of mulattoid Tuaregs. Those people are sure not predominantly Eurasian.

Unfortunately, I did not find the Map that defined a region of Africa as mulattoes (Berber / Bantu). There are black caucasoids in africa


https://i.postimg.cc/FRS1jKTZ/Untitled-288.jpg

[Abdelnour]

GEDMatch is garbage.

North African SSA is really Iberomaurusian, which is a basal Caucasoid component. On average, NA's have between 3-15% SSA.

It is exaggerated in this forum, for obvious reasons.

[Universe]

Unfortunately, I did not find the Map that defined a region of Africa as mulattoes (Berber / Bantu). There are black caucasoids in africa


https://i.postimg.cc/FRS1jKTZ/Untitled-288.jpg

"Black caucasoid" is an obsolete theory which was invented when people were classified based on a few superficial features. East Africans/Horners (somalis etc) are genetically more than 50% SSA.

[Universe]

GEDMatch is garbage.

North African SSA is really Iberomaurusian, which is a basal Caucasoid component. On average, NA's have between 3-15% SSA.

It is exaggerated in this forum, for obvious reasons.

What about SSA of Horners?

[Rocinante]

GEDMatch is garbage.

North African SSA is really Iberomaurusian, which is a basal Caucasoid component. On average, NA's have between 3-15% SSA.

It is exaggerated in this forum, for obvious reasons.

Iberomaurusian SSA? I know that component is the one who plots more near of negroids but I won't count it as negro, it doesn't even peak there.

[luc2112]

Haplogroups are sometimes so misused it's not even funny.

This retard must think that I have a Negroid ancestor and that I am frustrated.

[Abdelnour]

What about SSA of Horners?

I am not an expert, but from what I have gathered, Horners are half SSA but all from Neolites and not from West Africans.

[luc2112]

GEDMatch is garbage.

North African SSA is really Iberomaurusian, which is a basal Caucasoid component. On average, NA's have between 3-15% SSA.

It is exaggerated in this forum, for obvious reasons.

I think that too

[luc2112]

"Black caucasoid" is an obsolete theory which was invented when people were classified based on a few superficial features. East Africans/Horners (somalis etc) are genetically more than 50% negroid.

That had no skull mutation (caucasian is just the shape of the skull)

[Petalpusher]

Iberomaurusian SSA? I know that component is the one who plots more near of negroids but I won't count it as negro, it doesn't even peak there.


It is highly SSA


The relationships of the Iberomaurusian culture with those of the preceding Middle Stone Age, including the local backed bladelet technologies in Northeast Africa, and the Epigravettian in Southern Europe have been questioned (13). The genetic profile of Taforalt suggests substantial Natufian-related and sub-Saharan African–related ancestries (63.5 and 36.5%, respectively) but not additional ancestry from Epigravettian or other Upper Paleolithic European populations.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548?fbclid=IwAR1TsO7R-Uw9ypOK_n8T3SOc7jOdEpSSfeZEwOikiPe6Bra1KsG3zhWd7Zw


Could make it bigger, so everybody can burn it into their heads. Yes Iberomaurusian is more than 1/3 SSA. That means if you score 30% Iberomaurusian that's 11% SSA you get for free, on top of the more recent SSA scored. Similar amount in the "Northwest African" of Dodecad, which was surprinsgly close to a Taforalt when the sample wasn't out yet.
You don't even have to read any studies, plenty btw, to understand NA are in that range, just have to see a PCA or a low K run.

[renaissance12]

Why nobody wants an association with west-sub-sahara-africans ?..
They are "negro" but still humans...
They did not developed a sophisticated civilization like Ancient Rome.. but also Vikings did not developed any significant "culture".
1000 years ago.. Viking and Songai Yoruba culture were at same level...( it makes no sense compare Ethiopian civilization with Viking culture...)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg/644px-African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg.png


Viking house

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/57/bf/f357bf8c74326925bf8a319675fdd0a9.jpg


Western african house

https://www.awl-images.com/cache/pcache2/00027670.jpg

[Zarass]

It is highly SSA


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548?fbclid=IwAR1TsO7R-Uw9ypOK_n8T3SOc7jOdEpSSfeZEwOikiPe6Bra1KsG3zhWd7Zw


Could make it bigger, so everybody can burn it into their heads. Yes Iberomaurusian is more than 1/3 SSA. That means if you score 30% Iberomaurusian that's 11% SSA you get for free. Similar amount in the "Northwest African" of Dodecad, which was surprinsgly close to a Taforalt when the sample wasn't out yet.
You don't even have to read any studies, plenty btw, to understand NA are in that range, just have to see a PCA or a low K run.

you're not up to date :


Moreover, our model predicts that West Africans (represented by Yoruba) had 12.5±1.1% ancestry from a Taforalt-related group rather than Taforalt having ancestry from an unknown Sub-Saharan African source11; this may have mediated the limited Neanderthal admixture present in West Africans23. An advantage of our model is that it allows for a local North African component in the ancestry of Taforalt, rather than deriving them exclusively from Levantine and Sub-Saharan sources.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

That explains why many natufians were under E. Iberomaurusians spread their genes in west africa and the levant not the opposite

[luc2112]

Iberomaurusian SSA? I know that component is the one who plots more near of negroids but I won't count it as negro, it doesn't even peak there.

Negroid must have all the mutations for desert climate (bones are stronger, more muscles, higher blood pressure, other blood type) are very different from a European white

[Leto]

GEDMatch is garbage.

Do not make such sweeping statements. GEDmatch did pinpoint your ethnicity accurately on several calculators.

[Leto]

You guys need to stop white-washing the so called "Ibero-Maurusians". Some would even go as far as to say they would have been some kind of semi-Europeans. That's all a bunch of shit. They were mixed and probably dark like a bastard, darker than most Arabs.

[luc2112]

Why nobody wants an association with west-sub-sahara-africans ?..
They are "negro" but still humans...
They did not developed a sophisticated civilization like Ancient Rome.. but also Vikings did not developed any significant "culture".
1000 years ago..

Viking and Songai Yoruba culture were at same level...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg/644px-African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg.png


Viking house

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/57/bf/f357bf8c74326925bf8a319675fdd0a9.jpg


Western african house

https://www.awl-images.com/cache/pcache2/00027670.jpg

The discussion is whether North Africans have Negroid (I think there are no North Africans in this topic)

[Petalpusher]

you're not up to date :



https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1.full

That explains why many natufians were under E. Iberomaurusians spread their genes in west africa and the levant not the opposite

The fact the SSA in Taforalt has some E.Africa type of SSA doesn't change it's still SSA. Taforalt is still 1/3 SSA but not from Yoruba specifically, it is from many sources of SSA, some recent, some old, some ancient (like very ancient)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BiUQVRymzK4/Wsnq1Mc8BoI/AAAAAAAAD0k/CzHjyUyDOu466kw_H_Uh7j-ZbVILKwgzACLcBGAs/s640/Admixturesupp.png

But this is like saying Japanese are not East Asian because their East Asian is 50ky old and not specifically Han Chinese (reference for E.Asian)

[renaissance12]

The discussion is whether North Africans have Negroid (I think there are no North Africans in this topic)

Yes.. but is seems that everyone claims to have almost insignificant negroid genetic.. as if they are ashamed..Do you know why ?
I would expect Europeans to be ashamed of viking genetics too. The primitives are all equivalent from my point of view ..and Viking and Youruba-nigeria were at the same cultural level..till 1000. A.D...
Please don't talk about Viking saga.. it is a fantasy invention of CHRISTIAN MONKS..

[Universe]

Yes.. but is seems that everyone claims to have almost insignificant negroid genetic.. as if they are ashamed..Do you know why ?
I would expect Europeans to be ashamed of viking genetics too. The primitives are all equivalent from my point of view ..and Viking and Youruba-nigeria were at the same cultural level..till 1000. A.D...
Please don't talk about Viking saga.. it is a fantasy invention of CHRISTIAN MONKS..

Scandinavian countries nowadays are very developed, one of the most developed parts of the world. Stop bashing them. Not comparable at all to SSA.

[Rocinante]

It is highly SSA


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548?fbclid=IwAR1TsO7R-Uw9ypOK_n8T3SOc7jOdEpSSfeZEwOikiPe6Bra1KsG3zhWd7Zw


Could make it bigger, so everybody can burn it into their heads. Yes Iberomaurusian is more than 1/3 SSA. That means if you score 30% Iberomaurusian that's 11% SSA you get for free, on top of the more recent SSA scored. Similar amount in the "Northwest African" of Dodecad, which was surprinsgly close to a Taforalt when the sample wasn't out yet.
You don't even have to read any studies, plenty btw, to understand NA are in that range, just have to see a PCA or a low K run.

But it isn't like that. The spread of the iberomaurusians to the south of Africa is what made the negro mutation, as natufians made iberomaussians. Also the plots are too far away, is like associate EHG or CHG with Western Steppe herders, mistake.

[Leto]

Yes.. but is seems that everyone claims to have almost insignificant negroid genetic.. as if they are ashamed..Do you know why ?
I would expect Europeans to be ashamed of viking genetics too. The primitives are all equivalent from my point of view ..and Viking and Youruba-nigeria were at the same cultural level..till 1000. A.D...
Please don't talk about Viking saga.. it is a fantasy invention of CHRISTIAN MONKS..
Blacks didn't have the wheel before European colonization, what are you talking about? Vikings had metallurgy and even developed a form of writing. Granted, they were not as sophisticated as more Southern cultures but still not comparable to SS Africa.

[renaissance12]

Scandinavian countries nowadays are very developed, one of the most developed parts of the world. Stop bashing them.


The land of gay and transexuals ?... No sorry.. i don't consider them developed... and i don't consider them european also..( ZERO contribution to cultural achievments..)
Don't forget that the only people entitled to define who is european or not are the "Italians and/or Greeks"..
Scandinavians must turn their face to east.. far east...and maybe moving there...

[Universe]

The land of gay and transexuals ?... No sorry.. i don't consider them developed... and i don't consider them european also..( ZERO contribution to cultural achievments..)
Don't forget that the only people entitled to define who is european or not are the "Italians and/or Greeks"..
Scandinavians must turn their face to east.. far east...and maybe moving there...

Many Italians ( as well as many hungarians ) and other europeans aspire to be like Sweden politically.


. i don't consider them developed...
By which measure are they not developed?

[luc2112]

Yes.. but is seems that everyone claims to have almost insignificant negroid genetic.. as if they are ashamed..Do you know why ?
I would expect Europeans to be ashamed of viking genetics too. The primitives are all equivalent from my point of view ..and Viking and Youruba-nigeria were at the same cultural level..till 1000. A.D...
Please don't talk about Viking saga.. it is a fantasy invention of CHRISTIAN MONKS..

They are capable of learning things (but they make many children, this creates misery):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFl91aHbVJs

[Leto]

The land of gay and transexuals ?... No sorry.. i don't consider them developed... and i don't consider them european also..( ZERO contribution to cultural achievments..)
Don't forget that the only people entitled to define who is european or not are the "Italians and/or Greeks"..
Scandinavians must turn their face to east.. far east...and maybe moving there...
Why won't you get the hell out of this thread and go trolling elsewhere? What you're spewing right here is fucking irrelevant.

[renaissance12]

Blacks didn't have the wheel before European colonization, what are you talking about? Vikings had metallurgy and even developed a form of writing. Granted, they were not as sophisticated as more Southern cultures but still not comparable to SS Africa.

I said that they were at the same level of west africans.. what is wrong with this ?..
Vikings had no more sophisticated metallurgy than yoruba... Please try to make a historical research in HISTORUM.COM

[Seya]

Zidane is an ovious outlier among north africans.

not really. depends where in north africa. Moroccans tend to have more SSA and south Egyptians but other NA aren't so dark.
this are Tunisians:
https://i.imgur.com/HCPW3vt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GOAytdp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZrpO5TY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yuxSMOX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y0E0zPj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Le4L9Er.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJ2geKc.jpg

[renaissance12]

Blacks didn't have the wheel before European colonization, what are you talking about? Vikings had metallurgy and even developed a form of writing. Granted, they were not as sophisticated as more Southern cultures but still not comparable to SS Africa.

I said that they were at the same level of west africans.. what is wrong with this ?..
Vikings had no more sophisticated metallurgy than yoruba... Please try to make a historical research in HISTORUM.COM

[Petalpusher]

But it isn't like that. The spread of the iberomaurusians to the south of Africa is what made the negro mutation, as natufians made iberomaussians. Also the plots are too far away, is like associate EHG or CHG with Western Steppe herders, mistake.

Please try to make some sense, SSA predates all of this, obviously. They plot exactly on a line between West Eurasians and SSAs, which shows they are made of both, simple as that. They are not going into any other direction.

Would you say a mulatto is not half European and half SSA because he plots too far from SSA? That's one of the dumbest shit i ve read here, and there has been quite a couple.

Well Steppe herders were actually half EHG half CHG, you couldn't have picked a worse example...

[Universe]

not really. depends where in north africa. Moroccans tend to have more SSA and south Egyptians but other NA aren't so dark.
this are Tunisians:
https://i.imgur.com/HCPW3vt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GOAytdp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZrpO5TY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yuxSMOX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y0E0zPj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Le4L9Er.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJ2geKc.jpg

yeh, to me your pictures confirmed he's an outlier.

[Leto]

yeh, to me your pictures confirmed he's an outlier.
Zidane was born in France himself and his sons are assimilated as Europeans in my opinion. Their mother is Spanish.
https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/352/061/e1fe3f1bdea43f2ab944c2eeda199ae7_crop_north.jpg?14 28592273&w=3072&h=2048

[Universe]

Zidane was born in France himself and his sons are assimilated as Europeans in my opinion. Their mother is Spanish.
https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/352/061/e1fe3f1bdea43f2ab944c2eeda199ae7_crop_north.jpg?14 28592273&w=3072&h=2048

ok, but that's not really relevant xD

[Seya]

yeh, to me your pictures confirmed he's an outlier.

in which way? he doesn't look all that european to me. he can pass, same as many of the ones in those pics. there are quite a lot of lighter types of NA. or i do not think this people are that dark.
https://i.imgur.com/jC7FAkJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IvPl9Rq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X6W6WU5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e4ADB0J.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cx08MeB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pCML7fS.jpg

[Rocinante]

Please try to make some sense, SSA predates all of this, obviously. They plot exactly on a line between West Eurasians and SSAs, which shows they are made of both, simple as that. They are not going into any other direction.

Would you say a mulatto is not half European and half SSA because he plots too far from SSA? That's one of the dumbest shit i ve read here, and there has been quite a couple.

Well Steppe herders were actually half EHG half CHG, you couldn't have picked a worse example...

Who is talking about mulattos? You are the one who pinpoint that nonsense, not me. I am saying that iberomaurusians are a different component than SSA and has to be threated that way, this is explainable with genetic calcs and plots because for some logic reason someone who gets iberomaurusian, can score by separate SSA and natufian. They are different components far away from each other:

https://i.imgur.com/4YfmXCM.png

Of course iberomaurussians will be more related with SSA than WSH or SHG, i am not saying otherwise.

[Leto]

ok, but that's not really relevant xD
Well, I can tell you that in Russia and other places when he was playing he was seen as white despite him being North African because many other French football players were blacks and he did look white compared to them.

[Petalpusher]

Who is talking about mulattos? You are the one who pinpoint that nonsense, not me. I am saying that iberomaurusians are a different component than SSA and has to be threated that way, this is explainable with genetic calcs and plots because for some logic reason someone who gets iberomaurusian, can score by separate SSA and natufian. They are different components far away from each other:

https://i.imgur.com/4YfmXCM.png

Of course iberomaurussians will be more related with SSA than WSH or SHG, i am not saying otherwise.

Iberomaurusians were almost like mulattos. You ll routinely find mulattos identifying as such with less than 36.5% SSA but let's call it 1/3 SSA to simplify.

Nobody has ever said Iberomaurusian is entirely and uniquely SSA, you are barking against something no one ever claimed. However it is significantly SSA, and should be counted as such even if you want to use very high K with confusing components to trick people. There's no reason anyway, Iberomaurasian has little to do with modern Iberians, they just happen to have been roaming around here in very ancient time.


Besides your plot looks again deceiving, you say they plot far away but Iberomaurusian is the closest dot to SSA here. If Yamnaya was half WHG half Dravidian we would know about it too, trust me. Againt Anatolian farmers they would be even 50% SSA going by that logic, 0 level being main West Eurasian reference.

Talking about shooting your own foot, again... West Eurasians are genetically light years away from Africans so anything that is a mix of both is gonna be far from both either way, that doesn't mean you can't be related to both, even equally.

[mitalit]

the iberomasurian has a high component of ssa

[luc2112]

Iberomaurusians were almost like mulattos. You ll routinely find mulattos identifying as such with less than 36.5% SSA but let's call it 1/3 SSA to simplify.

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In this case they would have two haplogroups, mixed do not create a new race (ethnic people is something else).

[Rocinante]

Iberomaurusians were almost like mulattos. You ll routinely find mulattos identifying as such with less than 36.5% SSA but let's call it 1/3 SSA to simplify.

Nobody has ever said Iberomaurusian is entirely and uniquely SSA, you are barking against something no one ever claimed. However it is significantly SSA, and should be counted as such even if you want to use very high K with confusing components to trick people. There's no reason anyway, Iberomaurasian has little to do with modern Iberians, they just happen to have been roaming around here in very ancient time.


Besides your plot looks again deceiving, you say they plot far away but Iberomaurusian is the closest dot to SSA here. If Yamnaya was half WHG half Dravidian we would know about it too, trust me. Talking about shooting your own foot, again... West Eurasians are genetically light years away from Africans so anything that is a mix of both is gonna be far from both either way, that doesn't mean you can't be related to both, even equally.

I am not barking anything, by the way, last time i am passing so easily your hard comments against me, next time i will come with a big black immigrant brown cock like those real "Mulattoids" you have in Paris.

I said already, iberomaurusian is the only caucasoid component that is close to negroids, but they are even more close to Iran N and Natufian than them, so associations can be tricky like you say.

[mitalit]

Me with Iberomaurusian in Rocinante's calculator

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.7240% / 0.02723958
53.8 Early_European_Farmer
33.8 Steppe_Pastoralist
10.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.4 Iberomaurusian


me without Iberomaurusian
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.8759% / 0.02875909
56.0 Early_European_Farmer
33.6 Steppe_Pastoralist
9.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.6 Africa_Mesolithic
0.2 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic

considering that that particular calculator gives me little Iberomaurusian 0,6 is an appreciable amount

[Samnium]

not really. depends where in north africa. Moroccans tend to have more SSA and south Egyptians but other NA aren't so dark.
this are Tunisians:
https://i.imgur.com/HCPW3vt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GOAytdp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZrpO5TY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yuxSMOX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y0E0zPj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Le4L9Er.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJ2geKc.jpg

Tunisians can have some recent Italian or even Brit input, sometimes, not surprising

[Leto]

To me being a mulatto means being at least 40% SSA, ideally 50% or close to that. 1/3 SSA is not mulatto.

[Samnium]

Zidane was born in France himself and his sons are assimilated as Europeans in my opinion. Their mother is Spanish.
https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/352/061/e1fe3f1bdea43f2ab944c2eeda199ae7_crop_north.jpg?14 28592273&w=3072&h=2048

Look pretty much white except the child from the second row and the first column, he's a bit atypical feature wise...

[Seya]

Tunisians can have some recent Italian or even Brit input, sometimes, not surprising

i doubt these people have any tho. i've been there and i also have a few friends. this are just random pics from their profiles. but not all of them look like this. the southern regions are darker. but lighter types aren't all that rare at all
https://i.imgur.com/cZLBlSP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QmkLrrS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GVxSeHB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qrA50Gg.jpg

[Petalpusher]

In this case they would have two haplogroups, mixed do not create a new race (ethnic people is something else).

Shut your trap with the haplogroups, everybody has actually two haplogroups you dumbfuck. Last thing we need in 2020 is another Rethel xD



Iberomaurusian are not close to Iran neolithic at all or anything else like you think on our silly plot, where the hell did you find this crap, you made it?


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K3cd4ZD_xFE/WsnqwT96xsI/AAAAAAAAD0g/UsFtAwY8ZnYvrg95NxsBSjWoJJM1P4RjwCLcBGAs/s640/PCAsupp.png



See any Iranians close to Taforalt here on a legit PCA? No. The closest point is Afar, ever seen an Afar?


https://dvqlxo2m2q99q.cloudfront.net/000_clients/657152/file/6571528m14tXS6.jpg


For your own sake, stop posting.

[luc2112]

Shut your trap with the haplogroups, last thing we need in 2020 is another Rethel xD




Ok, iberomaurianos are 1/3 SSA the rest would be what exactly?

[Leto]

Look pretty much white except the child from the second row and the first column, he's a bit atypical feature wise...
That's Theo Zidane. If he was from anywhere close to Eastern Europe or Slavic-speaking countries, people would be saying he is part Mongoloid
https://www.realtotal.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/theo-zidane-real-madrid.jpg
https://depor.com/resizer/N0SmxTF98wjZ2xRHd72tKXZgEgI=/1200x1200/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-elcomercio.s3.amazonaws.com/public/LF5MDI7WPNDUZEGYXTAHINNBMM.jpg
If he is a legitimate son of Zidane, he must be zero Mongoloid.

[luc2112]

Somali:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/f4/18/71f418f0d17e7f1b61ef0ff0fb73f37f.jpg

[Adamm]

We North Africans are the latinos of the ancient world, except we did not get replaced... We replaced others :wink

[Rocinante]

Distance to: Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt
0.32785303 Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian
0.46363831 Early_European_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N
0.49490164 Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.49939577 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.52136834 Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG
0.52214552 Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.52878643 Ancient_North_Eurasian:RUS_MA1
0.56503501 Sub-Saharan:Yoruba

[Zarass]

The fact the SSA in Taforalt has some E.Africa type of SSA doesn't change it's still SSA. Taforalt is still 1/3 SSA but not from Yoruba specifically, it is from many sources of SSA, some recent, some old, some ancient (like very ancient)

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BiUQVRymzK4/Wsnq1Mc8BoI/AAAAAAAAD0k/CzHjyUyDOu466kw_H_Uh7j-ZbVILKwgzACLcBGAs/s640/Admixturesupp.png

But this is like saying Japanese are not East Asian because their East Asian is 50ky old and not specifically Han Chinese (reference for E.Asian)

The "1/3 SSA" you're talking about is technically not SSA. It's an old population that predates most ssa populations (it even predates basal eurasian) you can't model them with recent ssa populations that's a huge mistake. It's a ghost population (we don't have any data regarding craniometry and dna).

[Adamm]

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 1.6324% / 0.01632384

39.4 Early_European_Farmer
32.2 Iberomaurusian
9.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
3.2 Africa_Mesolithic
2.6 Iran_Neolithic
2.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.2 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

If IBM = 1/3 SSA that would give me around 13/14% SSA range. But its most likely that IBM = 1/3 ANA (Ancient North African) (i.e. a ghost population that we have no information about).

[Leto]

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 1.6324% / 0.01632384

39.4 Early_European_Farmer
32.2 Iberomaurusian
9.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
3.2 Africa_Mesolithic
2.6 Iran_Neolithic
2.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
2.2 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer

If IBM = 1/3 SSA that would give me around 13/14% SSA range. But its most likely that IBM = 1/3 ANA (Ancient North African) (i.e. a ghost population that we have no information about).
I didn't know North Africans could be 10-15% Steppe. I thought it'd be like 0-5%.

[Zarass]

I didn't know North Africans could be 10-15% Steppe. I thought it'd be like 0-5%.

it's mostly coastal berbers who score such amounts of steppe ancestry

[Adamm]

I didn't know North Africans could be 10-15% Steppe. I thought it'd be like 0-5%.

I have the coords of many Moroccans, here is a Riffian from Nador with almost 15% Steppe.

Target: Riff_Nador
Distance: 2.8397% / 0.02839694
40.6 Early_European_Farmer
27.8 Iberomaurusian
14.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
7.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.4 Africa_Mesolithic
4.0 Iran_Neolithic
1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer


Nassbean (banned Moroccan member of this forum had also high Steppe):

Target: Nassbean
Distance: 2.6978% / 0.02697808
45.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.2 Iberomaurusian
13.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
5.4 Africa_Mesolithic
3.0 Early_Levantine_Farmer
2.8 Iran_Neolithic
1.0 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

[Petalpusher]

They have no steppe per say but they have CHG like ancestry and Iranian_neo like, and other ME ancestry, ultimately all very basal, which is a part of Yamnaya too, hence the calculator picks up something. This could only be detected and sorted properly with a WHG, ANE, Basal, etc.. run not some anachronic components like above. NA score no ANE, and that's the only thing you need to know to conclude they have no steppe. 0% ANE = 0% Steppe.

It's all very funny this fairy tale of ghost populations, it's not like there are undiscovered races hidden somewhere, we already know what this ghost ANA is made of. The low K are explicit enough, the third is completely SSA like and doesn't mistake it for anything else. The fact that a part of it, not even the whole, is not entirely attribuable to a modern population means only one thing, it's ancient SSA, wich might have been even more genetically archaic than the modern SSA ultimately by the way.

Many samples that we have today, were yesterday "ghost populations", CHG was unknown, malt'a, AG, everything ...but we predicted what it was ethnically way before it got pinned down in some individual samples. Just like ANA locally had SSA, and didn't need any SSA influx from other sources at this point in time, but forcefully got it in even more ancient time (it didn't fall off the sky).

[Sora]

You literally have a NW African component, which hides a significant amount of SSA.

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Those are not mine :D but I don't think NW African has SSA, because the amount of SSA is same on both Harappaworld(it doesn't have NW African component) & Dodecad k12b

Also really interesting, there is a Moroccan result with 8% NE European. It is the highest Euro component except Med. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321331-ALLAHU-AKBAR!-shocked-The-most-quot-NE-European-quot-North-African-sample-ever!

Plus I've made an irony on that thread :D :rotfl:

[Chaos One]

Well, my SSA is on pair with Northern Berbers expect they have more Caucasoid number than I have.

About Algerian Berbers, that sample as it seems is probably Tuareg - groups like Kabylie or Tlemcen would be on par with Riffians.

[Deusex99]

it's mostly coastal berbers who score such amounts of steppe ancestry

It's below 10% for all Maghrebians. Few outlier may have some more.

[JulienSe]

100% Algerian
https://i.postimg.cc/T3JNK1ht/IMG-20200730-194558.jpg
Keep crying for Algerian berbers cumskins

[renaissance12]

We North Africans are the latinos of the ancient world, except we did not get replaced... We replaced others :wink

Do You Feel Closer To Europe Or Black Africans ?

[Adamm]

Do You Feel Closer To Europe Or Black Africans ?

I don't feel close nor to Black Africans or Europeans, MENA culture is distinct from Europe and Black Africa (with some E. Africans as exception).

[renaissance12]

I don't feel close nor to Black Africans or Europeans, MENA culture is distinct from Europe and Black Africa (with some E. Africans as exception).
But You Had Been Under Rome For Hundreds Years...

[Adamm]

But You Had Been Under Rome For Hundreds Years...

That was another period.

[renaissance12]

That was another period.

So you don't care about your ancient past..

[Adamm]

So you don't care about your ancient past..

Sure its interesting to read about it, but I'm living in 2020 right? Rome is one of my favorite history subjects.

[renaissance12]

Sure its interesting to read about it, but I'm living in 2020 right? Rome is one of my favorite history subjects.

Ok But Rome Seems Alien To You

[Sora]

Here is the face reconstruction of Iberomaurusians:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d15046a02c59a350e2f564a2c617a656

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/4a/b2/5f4ab29f9fb3ad5c8ed1043723c13224.jpg

Looks like Eurasian mix indeed...

[Abdelnour]

Here is the face reconstruction of Iberomaurusians:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d15046a02c59a350e2f564a2c617a656

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/4a/b2/5f4ab29f9fb3ad5c8ed1043723c13224.jpg

Looks like Eurasian mix indeed...

Does not look 1/3 SSA.

[Ion Basescul]

I didn't know North Africans could be 10-15% Steppe. I thought it'd be like 0-5%.

You liked my post (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?328926-SSA-in-North-Africans&p=6822270&viewfull=1#post6822270) without reading it, huh?
The interesting thing is that Egyptians have almost non-existing levels of Steppe, compared to the rest of North African averages (not counting Berbers since those are nomadic minorities anyway).

[Ion Basescul]

Here is the face reconstruction of Iberomaurusians:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d15046a02c59a350e2f564a2c617a656

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/4a/b2/5f4ab29f9fb3ad5c8ed1043723c13224.jpg

Looks like Eurasian mix indeed...

Eric (https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+cantona&sxsrf=ALeKk02qnaNxCUuDhggreCc5dgC-pmSD4g:1596141724825&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilrpOk6_XqAhUPXMAKHYvjD3oQ_AUoAXoECCAQA w&biw=1918&bih=924) didn't age at all.

[Bender1999]

Is NA-admixture a mix of euroasian and SSA? Which admix group is the next relative to NA-admixture? Med? Caucasus? Red sea/SW-Asia?

[FinalFlash]

You can't be Caucasoid if you have more than 20% SSA. That's defined as being a mixed race.

They aren't 20% SSA on average though, more like 10%. Gedmatch is simply an unreliable fossil of a tool and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Sora]

Is NA-admixture a mix of euroasian and SSA? Which admix group is the next relative to NA-admixture? Med? Caucasus? Red sea/SW


There have found two Iberomaurusian(ancestors of today's North Africans) graves and one of them is full Eurasian and other has 1/3 SSA mtdna. Also it's mix of SW Asian & Mediterranean, I guess.

North Africans have very diverse looks but they generally look Caucasoid with curly hair and a bit dark skin. But there are European looking North Africans too. For example; this Moroccan singer looks very European and too atypical for Moroccan; https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306594-Classify-Moroccan-singer-Saad-Lamjarred-(grown-up-version)&p=6796753&viewfull=1#post6796753

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306594-Classify-Moroccan-singer-Saad-Lamjarred-(grown-up-version)

Also could you classify & passify him?

[luc2112]

Here is the face reconstruction of Iberomaurusians:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d15046a02c59a350e2f564a2c617a656

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/4a/b2/5f4ab29f9fb3ad5c8ed1043723c13224.jpg

Looks like Eurasian mix indeed...

It doesn't make sense to me, the Neanderthal / Denisovan man was a primary human who inhabited some places after modern humans came.

Amerindians came to america as modern humans (12.000 AC).

In western Africa there are ancient humans (haplogroup B) they have no defined skull:

https://www.safari365.com/cms365/uploads/content-images/travel-destinations/tanzania/TanzaniaTribes/Hadzabe2-1.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/3947/15009479634_9e949aa5d3_b.jpg

https://p0.pikist.com/photos/366/385/masai-tanzania-africa-women-jewelry-african-tribe.jpg

https://theplanetd.com/images/Maasai-tribe-visit-10.jpg

https://st3.depositphotos.com/1002240/18044/i/1600/depositphotos_180444118-stock-photo-little-tanzanian-girl-from-masai.jpg

https://johangerrits.com/content/2.travel/666.kenya/66a.%20Woman%20from%20the%20Turkana%20tribe%20-%20Kenya.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/bb/d9/d2bbd9b1357a6c9cc5676f1184b28a33.jpg

They are clearly part (haplogroup B) of primary humans. Negroid haplogroup E2, they are modern humans with no direct relationship to these blacks.

Modern Negroid (defined):

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p15015.jpg

https://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/congo_02_27/c01_18029319.jpg

[Petalpusher]

It doesn't, because those Afalou are late Paleolithic individuals, results of back migration from Eurasia, and Taforalt samples are younger, they in the meantime absorbed SSA ancestry. Which shouldn't come as such a big surprise when you migrate back to Africa, this is going to happen soon or later...

It's even seen in cranial measurements, they are not the same people but the progression is already indicated for some, going down towards Taforalt as they acquired SSA

https://i.imgur.com/6UlxVlH.png

[Zoro]

They have no steppe per say but they have CHG like ancestry and Iranian_neo like, and other ME ancestry, ultimately all very basal, which is a part of Yamnaya too, hence the calculator picks up something. This could only be detected and sorted properly with a WHG, ANE, Basal, etc.. run not some anachronic components like above. NA score no ANE, and that's the only thing you need to know to conclude they have no steppe. 0% ANE = 0% Steppe.

Good start that's why G25 results shouldn't be taken seriously. 0% ANE would indicate that. On the flip side if someone scores a little ANE it's still not a guarantee of steppe ancestry because it could be Iran-N related ancestry since Harvard paper modelled Iran-N as something like 20% ANE. So perhaps looking at ANE to EHG ratio maybe good.

A similar case is people using G25 results to say that western Middle East people such as Bedouin and others and N Africans have significant Iran-Chl ancestry. When we look deeper it looks like Bedouin and others are showing significant Iran-Chl because they have significant Anatolia-ENF ancestry and since Iran-Chl has Anatolia-ENF calculators pick this up as Iran-Chl.

In this case I would say if they have 0 or little Iran-N then they should also have 0 or little Iran-Chl

[Petalpusher]

Good start that's why G25 results shouldn't be taken seriously. 0% ANE would indicate that. On the flip side if someone scores a little ANE it's still not a guarantee of steppe ancestry because it could be Iran-N related ancestry since Harvard paper modelled Iran-N as something like 20% ANE. So perhaps looking at ANE to EHG ratio maybe good.

A similar case is people using G25 results to say that western Middle East people such as Bedouin and others and N Africans have significant Iran-Chl ancestry. When we look deeper it looks like Bedouin and others are showing significant Iran-Chl because they have significant Anatolia-ENF ancestry and since Iran-Chl has Anatolia-ENF calculators pick this up as Iran-Chl.

In this case I would say if they have 0 or little Iran-N then they should also have 0 or little Iran-Chl

Yes what i mean is, even if someone scores a little ANE, it could be other things than Steppe, but if they score 0% or close it's clear they have none. In Eurogenes K7 they are scoring noise level of ANE. Iran_N is basically a truckload of basal and little ANE indeed so this is likely what the calculator previously posted here mistakes it for.

Eurogenes K7

Moroccan Moroccan10H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan11H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan12H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan14H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan15H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan1H 0.001802
Moroccan Moroccan2H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan3H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan4H 0.023673
Moroccan Moroccan5H 0.004502
Moroccan Moroccan6H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan7H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan8H 0.001156
Moroccan Moroccan9H 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA57 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA62 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA98 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB17 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB93 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE21 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE28 1.00E-05

[Leto]

Yes what i mean is, even if someone scores a little ANE, it could be other things than Steppe, but if they score 0% or close it's clear they have none. In Eurogenes K7 they are scoring noise level of ANE. Iran_N is basically a truckload of basal and little ANE indeed so this is likely what the calculator previously posted here mistakes it for.

Eurogenes K7

Moroccan Moroccan10H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan11H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan12H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan14H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan15H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan1H 0.001802
Moroccan Moroccan2H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan3H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan4H 0.023673
Moroccan Moroccan5H 0.004502
Moroccan Moroccan6H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan7H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan8H 0.001156
Moroccan Moroccan9H 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA57 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA62 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA98 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB17 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB93 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE21 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE28 1.00E-05
Don't engage with Zoro, that guy has been crusading against Global25 and Davidski for months if not years. He thinks Kurds are 15% East Eurasian or something like that.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The average North African scores from 11% to 14% SSA (obviously excluding the native Taforalt component) and all have Steppe admixture brought by Europeans. Yes, you can model Taforalt as 30% or 40% SSA but the fit is shit anyway.

[Deusex99]

The average North African scores from 11% to 14% SSA (obviously excluding the native Taforalt component) and all have Steppe admixture brought by Europeans. Yes, you can model Taforalt as 30% or 40% SSA but the fit is shit anyway.

Northern Moroccan have just 6% SSA, outside of Taforalt. I believe most coastal North Africans and even some isolated Berber groups are like that.

[SharpFork]

Don't engage with Zoro, that guy has been crusading against Global25 and Davidski for months if not years. He thinks Kurds are 15% East Eurasian or something like that.

And the thing is this Steppe admixture is not actually fake, let's criticize using G25 when it actually makes sense, now it doesn't.

[Leto]

And the thing is this Steppe admixture is not actually fake, let's criticize using G25 when it actually makes sense, now it doesn't.
Some Nafris have European admixture from Iberia. If the Spanish are 25-30% Steppe, 5-10% Steppe in North Africa may be totally realistic. Like quarter Spanish or something.

[Zoro]

Don't engage with Zoro, that guy has been crusading against Global25 and Davidski for months if not years. He thinks Kurds are 15% East Eurasian or something like that.

Stop being so thick. You can't have any steppe admixture if you don't have ANE that's what we both are saying. Yamnaya has 2 sides, only 1 of which is steppe. Just because you show relatedness to Yamnaya doesn't automatically mean you have steppe. The relatedness can be to Yamnaya's non-steppe side too you moron.

If you can't get something basic like this you certainly don't have the right to judge people or their calculators not to mention how can anyone take anything you say genetics related seriously

[Leto]

Stop being so thick. You can't have any steppe admixture if you don't have ANE that's what we both are saying. Yamnaya has 2 sides, only 1 of which is steppe. Just because you show relatedness to Yamnaya doesn't automatically mean you have steppe. The relatedness can be to Yamnaya's non-steppe side too you moron.

If you can't get something basic like this you certainly don't have the right to judge people or their calculators not to mention how can anyone take anything you say genetics related seriously
I admit I have no idea whether North Africans have any Steppe or not. I'd say those with sizeable Iberian ancestry must have a bit of it because Iberians have a good chunk of Yamnaya-related ancestry.

Some Nafris have European admixture from Iberia. If the Spanish are 25-30% Steppe, 5-10% Steppe in North Africa may be totally realistic. Like quarter Spanish or something.

[Rocinante]

Stop being so thick. You can't have any steppe admixture if you don't have ANE that's what we both are saying. Yamnaya has 2 sides, only 1 of which is steppe. Just because you show relatedness to Yamnaya doesn't automatically mean you have steppe. The relatedness can be to Yamnaya's non-steppe side too you moron.

If you can't get something basic like this you certainly don't have the right to judge people or their calculators not to mention how can anyone take anything you say genetics related seriously

Isn't yamnaya just made 100% by derived ANE components?

[Zoro]

Isn't yamnaya just made 100% by derived ANE components?

Technically it’s EHG. Half of Yamnaya is EHG and half W. Asian derived. So no EHG/ANE = no steppe

[Rocinante]

Technically it’s EHG. Half of Yamnaya is EHG and half W. Asian derived. So no EHG/ANE = no steppe

CHG is ANE derived, so it makes yamnaya 100% ANE derived and steppe, or am i wrong?

[Zoro]

CHG is ANE derived, so it makes yamnaya 100% ANE derived and steppe, or am i wrong?



I wouldn’t say Yamnaya is 50% CHG, i would just say 50% W Asian but yes you’re right Yamnaya’s W Asian side also has some ANE but it’s certainly not 100% ANE. Same goes for Yamnaya’s EHG side which is also not 100% ANE

So the statement 50/50 EHG/W Asian would be more accurate. So if EHG is 75% ANE and supposing Yamnaya’s W Asian side is 20% ANE then Yamnaya would end up being around 48% ANE

Thus if someone doesn’t have any ANE or EHG then how can they have steppe

[Rocinante]

I wouldn’t say Yamnaya is 50% CHG, i would just say 50% W Asian but yes you’re right Yamnaya’s W Asian side also has some ANE but it’s certainly not 100% ANE. Same goes for Yamnaya’s EHG side which is also not 100% ANE

So the statement 50/50 EHG/W Asian would be more accurate. So if EHG is 75% ANE and supposing Yamnaya’s W Asian side is 20% ANE then Yamnaya would end up being around 48% ANE

Thus if someone doesn’t have any ANE or EHG then how can they have steppe

I know that EHG is 75% MA1 + 25% WHG, but CHG is like 30% MA1 and the other thing what would be?

[Zoro]

I know that EHG is 75% MA1 + 25% WHG, but CHG is like 30% MA1 and the other thing what would be?

The Harvard paper modeled CHG using qpAdm as 64% Dzudzuana + 22% AG3 + 8% Tiyanuan + 5% additional basal eurasian

They also modeled Iran-N as 22% AG3 + 10% Tiyanuan +

The Caucasus paper modeled Yamnaya-Caucasus with qpAdm as 83% Steppe-Eneol + 13% Anatolia-N + 3% WHG

[Petalpusher]

They clearly have no EHG either, anything that is highly ANE biased really, so no Steppe. The Iberian they score there and there is limited and likely most of the time not real or just shared ancestry, if people are considering 23andme or such models. Even if some may have 10% Iberian, that's only 1% ANE. We don't even see that in the averages.

They vary between 15 and 25% SSA on average depending on the country but people will believe what they want to believe, so can't argue with disillusionment. They just found the fuel for it recently with the Taforalt component that masks some of it, wether it is ancient, modern, unspecified as of yet in its African's geographical location, is irelevant, still goes into the SSA family, which is extremely far away from West Eurasians and East Eurasians, or anything else. Can't miss it in lower K runs.

[Zoro]

They clearly have no EHG either, anything that is highly ANE biased really, so no Steppe. The Iberian they score there and there is limited and likely most of the time not real or just shared ancestry, if people are considering 23andme or such models. Even if some may have 10% Iberian, that's only 1% ANE. We don't even see that in the averages.

They vary between 15 and 25% SSA on average depending on the country but people will believe what they want to believe, so can't argue with disillusionment. They just found the fuel for it recently with the Taforalt component that masks some of it, wether it is ancient, modern, unspecified as of yet in its African's geographical location, is irelevant, still goes into the SSA family, which is extremely far away from West Eurasians and East Eurasians, or anything else. Can't miss it in lower K runs.


If it’s 1% ANE then the G25 would be off if it shows 15% steppe

[Synapsid]

It is highly SSA


https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6388/548?fbclid=IwAR1TsO7R-Uw9ypOK_n8T3SOc7jOdEpSSfeZEwOikiPe6Bra1KsG3zhWd7Zw


Could make it bigger, so everybody can burn it into their heads. Yes Iberomaurusian is more than 1/3 SSA. That means if you score 30% Iberomaurusian that's 11% SSA you get for free, on top of the more recent SSA scored. Similar amount in the "Northwest African" of Dodecad, which was surprinsgly close to a Taforalt when the sample wasn't out yet.
You don't even have to read any studies, plenty btw, to understand NA are in that range, just have to see a PCA or a low K run.

Iberomasurian non-Eurasian ancestry is ANA not Yoruba like SSA. It lacks the ghost human and hominid that exists in modern West Africans

[Petalpusher]

Iberomasurian non-Eurasian ancestry is ANA not Yoruba like SSA. It lacks the ghost human and hominid that exists in modern West Africans

You say it yourself, non Eurasian. I mean it's somewhat interesting to be able to pinpoint it in the future, still belongs to the SSA family, very clear seeing the pull it got with the non eurasian part in direction to SSA's, not only Yoruba defines SSA. We also know the diveristy of SSA is out of proportion, you can get the spectrum of all Europe between two tribes of Pygmies. I have a good idea where it would end up on a pca, assuming it's Afalou + SSA.

[MisterGaga]

You say it yourself, non Eurasian. I mean it's somewhat interesting to be able to pinpoint it in the future, still belongs to the SSA family, very clear seeing the pull it got with the non eurasian part in direction to SSA's, not only Yoruba defines SSA. We also know the diveristy of SSA is out of proportion, you can get the spectrum of all Europe between two tribes of Pygmies. I have a good idea where it would end up on a pca, assuming it's Afalou + SSA.

It's not SSA. Its some sort of Basal Eurasian ancestry or Trans-Basal Eurasian ancestry that played a big role in the peopling of Africa.

Just recently a study came out showing Basal Eurasian ancestry admixed in most of SSA. Considering ydna E is quite common in Africa, it's bound there is big link between the spread of Basal Eurasian in Sub-Saharan Africa and Ydna DE.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.127555v1

[MisterGaga]

They clearly have no EHG either, anything that is highly ANE biased really, so no Steppe. The Iberian they score there and there is limited and likely most of the time not real or just shared ancestry, if people are considering 23andme or such models. Even if some may have 10% Iberian, that's only 1% ANE. We don't even see that in the averages.

They vary between 15 and 25% SSA on average depending on the country but people will believe what they want to believe, so can't argue with disillusionment. They just found the fuel for it recently with the Taforalt component that masks some of it, wether it is ancient, modern, unspecified as of yet in its African's geographical location, is irelevant, still goes into the SSA family, which is extremely far away from West Eurasians and East Eurasians, or anything else. Can't miss it in lower K runs.

You don't even know about what you are talking about.

They do score EHG/ANE constantly in good runs and Steppe ancestry is present in coastal Berbers and peak the highest in Riffians, Kabyles and 5 of the Guanches from Tenerife and Gran Canaria in G25 runs.
Fits the presence of an important Bell Beaker culture in the strate of North Moroccan archeology.
Iberomaurusian culture - - > Cardial Ware culture - - - >> Bell Beaker.

It's explained up here:
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

It is seemingly lowest in Tunisia and Libya where there is more Iran N/CHG ancestry (Middle Eastern-related type of ancestry).

Lol at the outdated Dodecad K7 stuff. Your whole post and reasoning are outdated like hell.

[Leto]

Even if that wasn't exactly West African ancestry, that wasn't for sure neither Caucasoid nor light-skinned ancestry either. So using that argument to prove North Africans are less black than previously thought seems pointless.

[MisterGaga]

Even if that wasn't exactly West African ancestry, that wasn't for sure neither Caucasoid nor light-skinned ancestry either. So using that argument to prove North Africans are less black than previously thought seems pointless.

We don't even get anywhere near real straight of the forest of Guinea 15% SSA ancestry for coastal Berbers on G25. They actually have more Steppe ancestry and thus BA Iberian admixture than West African.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/117592509_664586484157453_5128206505862507713_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=0be424&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=PURGCi63RAgAX-xlBkn&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&tp=14&oh=203985308e83d99353e029583a60698f&oe=5F583232


But theapricity is the most trolling forum you can find where people make claims without posting a G25 results, just out of thin air from their head and personal opinion.

[Petalpusher]

Oh boy another one.

Yeah Captain obvious, people in N.Africa are mostly from the original back migration and some several events of levantine inputs, which is still mainly basal Eurasian. We know that for like 10years..

They have no ANE and no Steppe in any significant amount, they are from 15 to 25% SSA at average, and of several varieties of SSA, that also we know for 10 years. I score more Yamnaya than the average Finn in G25, that's how much, not really Steppe, this thing is, because there is no ANE or EHG component. Actually a better estimate would be the CHG and it's 0 except some living near the coast who surely have a bit of Iberian and whatever crashed on their shores.

What is true is that NA have real WHG type of ancestry, some from the original back migration (Afalou type) and got some also through their EEF like component, at least for Non Eurasian people, it's definetly the highest WHG found elsewhere than W.Eurasia. Yet their cluster is around 25% going into the direction of W.African SSA from Europe, how people deny the obvious, even without any other datas. Also in general you have to understand new datas don't change the genetics of groups, they refine things, pinpoint certain ancestries more accurately but no it doesnt half your SSA magically all of a sudden, that's why you have fstats from the beginning, just to keep it real in the grand scheme.

It's like this G25 alternate model with a Morrocan component, actual Moroccans score no SSA, omg so they don't even have SSA!! no they just score nearly full Moroccan, how thick you have to be to not comprehend this and that's the same effect with Iberomaurusian.

[Zoro]

You don't even know about what you are talking about.

They do score EHG/ANE constantly in good runs and Steppe ancestry is present in coastal Berbers and peak the highest in Riffians, Kabyles and 5 of the Guanches from Tenerife and Gran Canaria in G25 runs.
Fits the presence of an important Bell Beaker culture in the strate of North Moroccan archeology.
Iberomaurusian culture - - > Cardial Ware culture - - - >> Bell Beaker.

It's explained up here:
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6774#sec-2

It is seemingly lowest in Tunisia and Libya where there is more Iran N/CHG ancestry (Middle Eastern-related type of ancestry).

Lol at the outdated Dodecad K7 stuff. Your whole post and reasoning are outdated like hell.

Where fo you see in the paper you cited steppe or Iran-N related geneflow into N Africans. The paper discusses 2 Neolithic Moroccan groups; one 7000 years old the other 5000 years old. Steppe hadn’t even reached Iberia 5000 years ago so the Iberians that went to N Africa back then carried Neolithic Farmer (Anatolia-N related not Iran-N related) and some WHG but those Iberians didn’t even have steppe back then

Formal analysis dhows that Iran-N didn’t have any significant impact West of Syria. If Bedouin don’t carry any significant Iran-N how can N Africans. Anatolia-N is widespread west of Syria, in Europe, and N Africa but not Iran-N


Early Neolithic Moroccans are distantly related to Levantine Natufian hunter-gatherers (∼9,000 BCE) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic farmers (∼6,500 BCE). Late Neolithic (∼3,000 BCE) Moroccans, in contrast, share an Iberian component, supporting theories of trans-Gibraltar gene flow and indicating that Neolithization of North Africa involved both the movement of ideas and people. Lastly, the southern Iberian Early Neolithic samples share the same genetic composition as the Cardial Mediterranean Neolithic culture that reached Iberia ∼5,500 BCE.

[Zoro]

We don't even get anywhere near real straight of the forest of Guinea 15% SSA ancestry for coastal Berbers on G25. They actually have more Steppe ancestry and thus BA Iberian admixture than West African.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/117592509_664586484157453_5128206505862507713_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=0be424&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=PURGCi63RAgAX-xlBkn&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&tp=14&oh=203985308e83d99353e029583a60698f&oe=5F583232


But theapricity is the most trolling forum you can find where people make claims without posting a G25 results, just out of thin air from their head and personal opinion.

Yamnaya is not a good indicator of steppe because it also carries W Asian alleles. EHG is a better indicator of steppe. Also qpAdm should be used to arrive at conclusions not G25 because G25 doesn’t have a provision for adding outgroups

[MisterGaga]

The paper stated a first Neolithic wave from Iberia brought Anatolian Neolithic admixture into North Africa. But it further stated the additional layer of Bell Beaker potteries and culture in Ifri n AMoussa (Moroccan cave studied) probably also brought additional Iberian admixture into North Africa, and indeed G25, Vahuado, dstats all show there is Steppe admixture correlating with that Bell Beaker strata of archeology.

Also you're wrong Iran Neolithic is quite common in Syria, Arabia and Egypt where it is tied with J haplotypes (J1 and J2).
It is also present in NW Africa but in smaller amounts more so Libya or Tunisia.

[Zoro]

The paper stated a first Neolithic wave brought Anatolian Neolithic admixture into North Africa. But it further stated the additional layer of Bell Beaker potteries and culture in Ifri n AMoussa (Moroccan cave studied) probably also brought additional Iberian admixture into North Africa, and indeed G25, Vahuado all show there is Steppe admixture correlating with that Bell Beaker strata of archeology.

Also you're wrong Iran Neolithic is quite common in Syria, Arabia and Egypt where it is tied with J haplotypes (J1 and J2).
It is also present in NW Africa but in smaller amounts more so Libya or Tunisia.

You do know that Iberian Bell Beakers were very different from Central European Bell Beakers in that they didn’t have steppe thats why they plot far away from them on PCA

Show me a qpAdm model that Egyptians have significant Iran-N. Syrians yes because of the presence of Iranics there but it drops off sharply west of there

[MisterGaga]

Oh boy another one.

Yeah Captain obvious, people in N.Africa are mostly from the original back migration and some several events of levantine inputs, which is still mainly basal Eurasian. We know that for like 10years..

They have no ANE and no Steppe in any significant amount, they are from 15 to 25% SSA at average, and of several varieties of SSA, that also we know for 10 years. I score more Yamnaya than the average Finn in G25, that's how much, not really Steppe, this thing is, because there is no ANE or EHG component. Actually a better estimate would be the CHG and it's 0 except some living near the coast who surely have a bit of Iberian and whatever crashed on their shores.

What is true is that NA have real WHG type of ancestry, some from the original back migration (Afalou type) and got some also through their EEF like component, at least for Non Eurasian people, it's definetly the highest WHG found elsewhere than W.Eurasia. Yet their cluster is around 25% going into the direction of W.African SSA from Europe, how people deny the obvious, even without any other datas. Also in general you have to understand new datas don't change the genetics of groups, they refine things, pinpoint certain ancestries more accurately but no it doesnt half your SSA magically all of a sudden, that's why you have fstats from the beginning, just to keep it real in the grand scheme.

It's like this G25 alternate model with a Morrocan component, actual Moroccans score no SSA, omg so they don't even have SSA!! no they just score nearly full Moroccan, how thick you have to be to not comprehend this and that's the same effect with Iberomaurusian.

What a load of crap. Pardon my French.

1) Ancient Levantine weren't mainly Basal Eurasian. They were a mixture of WHG-related West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian. Basically 77%, 28% each. It's the basic ancient Middle Eastern profile provided by Dzudzuana paper. Natufians are Dzudzuana-like so are all other Ancient Middle Easterners deriving from a Dzudzuana-like source.

2) you can't score more Steppe than FennoScandinavians on G25 you're French, and from Southern French. You are either kidding, trolling or your dumb not sure which.

And there's no '0%' CHG/EHG in Berbers especially not coastal Berbers who are the biggest group.

3) as I showed, the paper which is very recent (2020) shows that a Basal Eurasian or a population closest to Basal Eurasian contributed alot of ancestry to modern SSAs.
There's little doubt there's a big correlation between ydna E/DE, the ANA ancestry of Iberomaurusians, and the spread of this Basal Eurasian-related ancestry into Africa. Since the split of Eastern Eurasians and Western Eurasians would have also caused the split of ydna DE and a first back migration.

All in all, we already suspected the amount of SSA wasn't correct 10 years ago, there were already people doubting the now outdated Eurogenes K7 or Dodecad results. They've been debunked for good. No idea you are still stuck in outdated stuff. Seems like a trend among marginal thinkers.

But keep marginalizing thinking.

[MisterGaga]

You do know that Iberian Bell Beakers were very different from Central European Bell Beakers in that they didn’t have steppe thats why they plot far away from them on PCA

Show me a qpAdm model that Egyptians have significant Iran-N. Syrians yes because of the presence of Iranics there but it drops off sharply west of there

Bell beaker Iberians do have Steppe, but not as much as North European/Central European groups of BB.

To answer you and stay correct : this Iran N type of ancestry didn't come from Iran. Its something that moved from Mesopotamia and SE Anatolia into Levant and Anatolia reaching Greece and Balkan too.

Besides this ancestry is well observed, its very Iran Neolithic-like , it's completely absent from Neolithic Anatolian samples as well completely absent in Neolithic Levantine samples. It only shows up in Chalcholithic and Bronze Age Levant with alot of J1 and J2 ydna haplotypes. Both Haplogroups strongly tied to this component.

[Petalpusher]

What a load of crap. Pardon my French.

1) Ancient Levantine weren't mainly Basal Eurasian. They were a mixture of WHG-related West Eurasian and Basal Eurasian. Basically 77%, 28% each. It's the basic ancient Middle Eastern profile provided by Dzudzuana paper. Natufians are Dzudzuana-like so are all other Ancient Middle Easterners deriving from a Dzudzuana-like source.

2) you can't score more Steppe than FennoScandinavians on G25 you're French, and from Southern French. You are either kidding, trolling or your dumb not sure which.


You are full of shit but let's just keep it nice and post this, which shows indeed how much you understand of all this. ZERO.


https://i.postimg.cc/VsCLF8CS/Capture87878775.png

I score 42.9. This is not a steppe component you dumbfuck, even Sardinians score it. Check the CHG and Iran_N non scores maybe you ll understand why. Oh surprise, surprise when you remove the so called "Yamnaya", all the CHG/WHG/ANE pops back up into existence, even the Iran_N for some south/southeast parts of Europe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_jr6EMoG_1eFm1x8hltNHW2bE5A0lW9N7XDjCU_jO_k/edit#gid=1976028014

NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the numbers.

[Leto]

We don't even get anywhere near real straight of the forest of Guinea 15% SSA ancestry for coastal Berbers on G25. They actually have more Steppe ancestry and thus BA Iberian admixture than West African.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/117592509_664586484157453_5128206505862507713_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=0be424&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=PURGCi63RAgAX-xlBkn&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&tp=14&oh=203985308e83d99353e029583a60698f&oe=5F583232


But theapricity is the most trolling forum you can find where people make claims without posting a G25 results, just out of thin air from their head and personal opinion.
Yes and the Ibero-Moros were a very brown and non-white, African population.

[MisterGaga]

You are full of shit but let's just keep it nice and post this, which shows indeed how much you understand of all this. ZERO.


https://i.postimg.cc/VsCLF8CS/Capture87878775.png

I score 42.9. This is not a steppe component you dumbfuck, even Sardinians score it. Check the CHG and Iran_N non scores maybe you ll understand why. Oh surprise, surprise when you remove the so called "Yamnaya", all the CHG/WHG/ANE pops back up into existence, even the Iran_N for some south/southeast parts of Europe: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_jr6EMoG_1eFm1x8hltNHW2bE5A0lW9N7XDjCU_jO_k/edit#gid=1976028014

NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the numbers.

You're a marginal weirdo. Thats all your ass is made up then.

You don't score more Yamnaya than Finns obviously, besides that Finns have significant Saami admixture that pull their Yamnaya down abit compared to Scandinavians.

Besides this, you score normal amount of Yamnaya for the cheap arrogant Frenchman you are.

For your sake Sardinians have some Steppe, they are not full blown EEF. They have Steppe, Iran N and North African ancestry as is also provided by their yDNA frequencies . They are just far lower Steppe than most Europeans.

And it is steppe. If you remove Yamnaya you'll get worse distance and fit and obviously once canceled out Yamnaya turns into a basic half CHG half ANE/EHG mixture. Wow mind blown. You made a terrible fit combined with a terrible model by canceling out the most important Corded ware derived source of ancestry in Europe. Genius.



NA are 1/5 to 1/4 SSA, wether you like it or not, always going to be that much. It hasn't changed in the last 10 years, you are just tryhards getting around the number

Yeah let's just ignore the paper that claim a major Basal Eurasian related ydna DE influx into SSA, meaning that modern Sub-Sararan Africans are part Eurasian themselves.
And that the ANA ancestry in Taforalt is closer to the Basal Eurasian component than to modern SSA or ghost divergent component of SSA.

But yeah let's just ignore facts for the sake of yours.

[Petalpusher]

You're a marginal weirdo. Thats all your ass is made up then.

You don't score more Yamnaya than Finns obviously, besides that Finns have significant Saami admixture that pull their Yamnaya down abit compared to Scandinavians.

Besides this, you score normal amount of Yamnaya for the cheap arrogant Frenchman you are.

For your sake Sardinians have some Steppe, they are not full blown EEF. They have Steppe, Iran N and North African ancestry as is also provided by their yDNA frequencies . They are just far lower Steppe than most Europeans.

And it is steppe. If you remove Yamnaya you'll get worse distance and fit and obviously once canceled out Yamnaya turns into a basic half CHG half ANE/EHG mixture. Wow mind blown. You made a terrible fit combined with a terrible model by canceling out the most important Corded ware derived source of ancestry in Europe. Genius.




Yeah let's just ignore the paper that claim a major Basal Eurasian related ydna DE influx into SSA, meaning that modern Sub-Sararan Africans are part Eurasian themselves.
And that the ANA ancestry in Taforalt is closer to the Basal Eurasian component than to modern SSA or ghost divergent component of SSA.


But yeah let's just ignore facts for the sake of yours.


Coming from a gay mongrel, this is rich to say the least. You are the tragedic weirdo here.



Good luck finding some Steppe with that amount of ANE:


K7 ANE
Moroccan Moroccan10H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan11H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan12H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan14H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan15H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan1H 0.001802
Moroccan Moroccan2H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan3H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan4H 0.023673
Moroccan Moroccan5H 0.004502
Moroccan Moroccan6H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan7H 1.00E-05
Moroccan Moroccan8H 0.001156
Moroccan Moroccan9H 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA57 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA62 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoA98 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB17 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoB93 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE21 1.00E-05
Moroccan moroccoE28 1.00E-05



Really, good luck with that. Steppe without ANE? that's the level of delusion you are in right now.

Sardinians don't have any Steppe, they also score close to no ANE and if any i didn't come from steppe invaders. You are again confusing steppe and Bronze Age inputs which can be vastly different from one another, it's an era we typically refering to, not a type of precise ancestry per say. This component is a BA type when you put it all together even if anachronistically.

[Zoro]

Bell beaker Iberians do have Steppe, but not as much as North European/Central European groups of BB.

To answer you and stay correct : this Iran N type of ancestry didn't come from Iran. Its something that moved from Mesopotamia and SE Anatolia into Levant and Anatolia reaching Greece and Balkan too.

Besides this ancestry is well observed, its very Iran Neolithic-like , it's completely absent from Neolithic Anatolian samples as well completely absent in Neolithic Levantine samples. It only shows up in Chalcholithic and Bronze Age Levant with alot of J1 and J2 ydna haplotypes. Both Haplogroups strongly tied to this component.

Therein lies your problem because if you use Iran-Chl as an Iran-N proxy then indeed Egyptians, N Africans, and Europeans will score Iran-Chl but that's because Iran-Chl had many Anatolia-N and some Levant-N alleles. Since Iran-Chl is so mixed it shouldn't be used as a proxy for Iran-N. Iran-N proper should be used in calculations.

Here is a very scientific analysis using all these outgoups to analyze how similar the following populations are to ANE

Outgroups:

Mbuti.DG
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG
China_Tianyuan
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG
Russia_Sunghir3.SG
Russia_Kostenki14.SG
Onge_1000G
Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG


This was done using qpWave. The most similar populations to ANE have the lowest Chi sq and are on the top. Any populations shaded pink are too disimiliar to ANE.

I only had Mozabite results for N Africans but you can see how far down the list it is.



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QpWave – Test, MA1 – Cladliness Check – Rank 0


SAMPLE
CHI SQ
SNPs USED


Russia_AfontovaGora3
6
93044


Kazakhstan_Botai
16
334372


Russia_HG_Sosnoviy
28
215549


EHG
29
312983


Kazakhstan_Sarmatian
56
231406


Russia_Karasuk
57
221157


Tajik_Tjk
60
177068


Bashkir
60
247803


Chukchi
60
280835


Saami
61
224824


Kalash
64
226955


Kyrgyzstan_TianShanSaka
66
255433


Georgia_Kotias
66
353752


Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun
73
167794


Punjabi
77
84816


Russia_EBA_Yamna_Samara
77
218506


Pashtun_Afg
77
138065


Mansi
82
222965


Sindhi
83
216711


Pathan
88
215669


Kurd_Sorani
92
177498


Kurd_Kurmanji2
92
178657


Burusho
93
216177


Kurd_Kurmanji1
93
178554


Balochi
105
217356


Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1
114
230276


Iranian_NW
116
136405


Russia_NOssetian
117
215842


Estonian
118
219289


Iran_Wezmeh_N
121
352184


Kurd_Yazidi
125
178074


Iran_IA_Hasanlu
126
306068


Adygei
127
217102


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[renaissance12]

We North Africans are the latinos of the ancient world, except we did not get replaced... We replaced others :wink

And Who Are The Others Of The Ancient World ?

[Deusex99]

Basal Eurasian is just Eurasian without Neanderthal dna.

[Synapsid]

Shut your trap with the haplogroups, everybody has actually two haplogroups you dumbfuck. Last thing we need in 2020 is another Rethel xD



Iberomaurusian are not close to Iran neolithic at all or anything else like you think on our silly plot, where the hell did you find this crap, you made it?


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K3cd4ZD_xFE/WsnqwT96xsI/AAAAAAAAD0g/UsFtAwY8ZnYvrg95NxsBSjWoJJM1P4RjwCLcBGAs/s640/PCAsupp.png



See any Iranians close to Taforalt here on a legit PCA? No. The closest point is Afar, ever seen an Afar?


https://dvqlxo2m2q99q.cloudfront.net/000_clients/657152/file/6571528m14tXS6.jpg


For your own sake, stop posting.

Iran_N is furthest thing away from Taforalt amongst PGNE. Makes sense since Iran is like almost half ANE.

But lets not exeggrate here. While Afar may have similar ratio of W.Eurasian/SSA, the SSA stuff in Taforalt (ANA) would have looked distinct from AEA in Afars. After all, they lived closer to glacial regions.

[Urbanuss]

Saying that iberomaurisians were part SSA is the same as calling modern Iberians (portuguese and galicians) part nigga lol XD.

(Correct me if im wrong)

[Defcon2]

Saying that iberomaurisians were part SSA is the same as calling modern Iberians (portuguese and galicians) part nigga lol XD.

(Correct me if im wrong)

Yes, both things are correct, but only part of the Iberian especially.

[Urbanuss]

Why nobody wants an association with west-sub-sahara-africans ?..
They are "negro" but still humans...
They did not developed a sophisticated civilization like Ancient Rome.. but also Vikings did not developed any significant "culture".
1000 years ago.. Viking and Songai Yoruba culture were at same level...( it makes no sense compare Ethiopian civilization with Viking culture...)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg/644px-African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial_es.svg.png


Viking house

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/57/bf/f357bf8c74326925bf8a319675fdd0a9.jpg


Western african house

https://www.awl-images.com/cache/pcache2/00027670.jpg


Probably because sub-saharan are ugly and underdeveloped as fuck.

Nobody wants to be assimilated with nigg.. SSA, its The worst non-euro component.

[Tongio]

Saying that iberomaurisians were part SSA is the same as calling modern Iberians (portuguese and galicians) part nigga lol XD.

(Correct me if im wrong)

You are right ibero maurussians were not fully caucasoid , all Iberians have that 1 - 2 % SSA like dna some even higher(Defcon brotha), because of that. It is incipient in them and not a "noise" , that is not much but if we chose to trust modern genetic research it is well stablished fact.
Not wanting to cause conflict just add information Iberian and south french white supremacists can cope with It however they want.

[Urbanuss]

Yes, both things are correct, but only part of the Iberian especially.

So these Galician and Northern portuguese are mulattos? Lol, dont be hilarious.

https://www.aupaathletic.com/comun/jugadores_fotos/foto_jugador-5178.jpg

https://www.jornaltornado.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/maria-luis-2.jpg

[Tongio]

Probably because sub-saharan are ugly and underdeveloped as fuck.

Nobody wants to be assimilated with nigg.. SSA, its The worst non-euro component.

Disagree , It gives you big dick, runner physics and makes you part of brotherhood .Worst non white component is ancient south asian / oceanian.

[Urbanuss]

You are right ibero maurussians were not fully caucasoid , all Iberians have that 1 - 2 % SSA like dna some even higher(Defcon brotha), because of that. It is incipient in them and not a "noise" , that is not much but if we chose to trust modern genetic research it is well stablished fact.
Not wanting to cause conflict just add information Iberian and south french white supremacists can cope with It however they want.

Not all Iberians scores monkenoid, this northern portuguese (Transmontano) doesnt score any nigga.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeritage/comments/oe57x4/myheritage_vs_gedmatch_vs_dnaland_northern/

[Tongio]

So these Galician and Northern portuguese are mulattos? Lol, dont be hilarious.

https://www.aupaathletic.com/comun/jugadores_fotos/foto_jugador-5178.jpg

https://www.jornaltornado.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/maria-luis-2.jpg

Phenotype means shit Alunortedelsur user is as light as those and 5% SSA + 7% amerindian

[Urbanuss]

Disagree , It gives you big dick, runner physics and makes you part of brotherhood .

Just this, nothing more.

They're still ugly and uncivilized.

[Tongio]

Not all Iberians scores monkenoid, this northern portuguese (Transmontano) doesnt score any nigga.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeritage/comments/oe57x4/myheritage_vs_gedmatch_vs_dnaland_northern/

His red sea+ Northeast africa sum up to almost 10%... Nigga blood is incipient in those components of likely iberomaurusian origin.
Just test with genera dude is cheap , so you can find out how "monkee" you are.

[Urbanuss]

Phenotype means shit Alunortedelsur user is as light as those and 5% SSA + 7% amerindian

I know, but if these portuguese and galician on pics was northern euros, a lot of anthrotards would say they would be "100% Aryan ubermensch" just judging by the phenotype, disregarding the small percentages of Red Sea, West Asian and SWA/SEA.

but since they are south euros, TA members do not hesitate to emphasize the non-European admix on them (particularly the SSA of some iberians).

[Urbanuss]

His red sea+ Northeast africa sum up to almost 10%... Nigga blood is incipient in those components of likely iberomaurusian origin.
Just test with genera dude is cheap , so you can find out how "monkee" you are.

10%? Lol, its like a octoroon.

If Red Sea is "niggoid" so even germans can be part "Monke" (or at least semitics, considering their SA too).

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?322269-North-German-GEDmatch-results

That questions their "arianity" proposed by hitler...

[Tongio]

I know, but if these portuguese and galician on pics was northern euros, a lot of anthrotards would say they would be "100% Aryan ubermensch" just judging by the phenotype, disregarding the small percentages of Red Sea, West Asian and SWA/SEA.

but since they are south euros, TA members do not hesitate to emphasize the non-European admix on them (particularly the SSA of some iberians).

It is not that it means shit I was unhappy in that sentence, but doesnt mean much once you get to this low percentagem of such a exotic element It is a genetic lottery If you are going to display any phenotype in that direction, so you can have with very similar genetics one nordic and one light brown skinned with very curly hair, both phenotypes present in southwest europe exactly because of this.

[Urbanuss]

Worst non white component is ancient south asian / oceanian.

Yes, but SSA is still, certainly, among the worst ones.

The "less worst" is West Asian/Kebaboid, a lot of euros have WA (3-8%) including scandinavians. Some iberians score less than 1%.

Therefore a lot of europeans have kebab ancestry:rofl:

[Tongio]

Yes, but SSA is still, certainly, among the worst ones.

The "less worst" is West Asian/Kebaboid, a lot of euros have WA including scandinavians.

Therefore a lot of europeans have kebab ancestry:rofl:

If you consider that anatolian neolithic farmers were 65 % Natufian/35% WHG and Yamnaya were almost half caucasus hunter gatherer(those were about 60 % natufian- like,40% ancient north eurasian) and that even WHG tho is the most native european conponent had come from anatolia into Europe too in very ancient times, they were mostly I y DNA, closer sibling to I is J(kebab), common ancestor from 45.000 ybp.Then all europeans have good amount of shared origin with ancient midle east, the ones that have the least tend to have more east asian blood.

[Sasaolo68]

So these Galician and Northern portuguese are mulattos? Lol, dont be hilarious.

https://www.aupaathletic.com/comun/jugadores_fotos/foto_jugador-5178.jpg

https://www.jornaltornado.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/maria-luis-2.jpg

These guys are atypical as fuck in Iberia LOL, even Cristiano Viejo don't post them to represent typical Northern Iberians. Stop with that edgyness, even if ibero-maurisians were part ssa or not, that doesn't make iberians "octoroon". LOL why would ever a guy from Cuiabá act like some sort of nordicist troll? These are the things you would only see on the internet...

[Sasaolo68]

I know, but if these portuguese and galician on pics was northern euros, a lot of anthrotards would say they would be "100% Aryan ubermensch" just judging by the phenotype, disregarding the small percentages of Red Sea, West Asian and SWA/SEA.


Now that is not much wrong though.

[Sasaolo68]

I know, but if these portuguese and galician on pics was northern euros, a lot of anthrotards would say they would be "100% Aryan ubermensch" just judging by the phenotype, disregarding the small percentages of Red Sea, West Asian and SWA/SEA.


Double.

[Urbanuss]

Now that is not much wrong though.

:confused:

[Token]

If you consider that anatolian neolithic farmers were 65 % Natufian/35% WHG and Yamnaya were almost half caucasus hunter gatherer(those were about 60 % natufian- like,40% ancient north eurasian) and that even WHG tho is the most native european conponent had come from anatolia into Europe too in very ancient times, they were mostly I y DNA, closer sibling to I is J(kebab), common ancestor from 45.000 ybp.Then all europeans have good amount of shared origin with ancient midle east, the ones that have the least tend to have more east asian blood.
It is more like this: both ANF and Natufian share the bulk of their ancestry from a Dzudzuana-related (ice age Caucasian) population, which was in turn ~30% Basal Eurasian and ~70% Villabruna-related. Natufian is Dzudzuana + ~30% Iberomaurusian-related. ANF seems to be nearly full Dzudzuana plus a small amount of Natufian. CHG is ~60% Dzudzuana + a lot of ANE + East Eurasian + "Deep" (probably an even earlier split than Basal Eurasians). Iran_N is the same with more "Deep" and East Eurasian. WHG are probably just Paleolithic Europeans of the Gravettian kind who expanded from a refugia in Italy after the ice age.

[Tongio]

It is more like this: both ANF and Natufian share the bulk of their ancestry from a Dzudzuana-related (ice age Caucasian) population, which was in turn ~30% Basal Eurasian and ~70% Villabruna-related. Natufian is Dzudzuana + ~30% Iberomaurusian-related. ANF seems to be nearly full Dzudzuana plus a small amount of Natufian. CHG is ~60% Dzudzuana + a lot of ANE + East Eurasian + "Deep" (probably an even earlier split than Basal Eurasians). Iran_N is the same with more "Deep" and East Eurasian. WHG are probably just Paleolithic Europeans of the Gravettian kind who expanded from a refugia in Italy after the ice age.
What was Basal eurasians exactly in your understanding ? If I understood it correctly their genes would explain the "gedrosia" component in CHG and derived pops.,were they geneticly similar to andamanese ? With your admixes in mind how is it that villabruna derived and CHG would share a common parental ancestor , suposedly we even have living basal IJ lineages in Iran(i can't be 100% sure of what they meant in the paper with this tho), at least some of Villabruna's paternal ancestors might have come from further east from around turkey 43.000 years ago, would It have come from dzudzuana?

[Token]

What was Basal eurasians exactly in your understanding ? If I understood it correctly their genes would explain the "gedrosia" component in CHG and derived pops.,were they geneticly similar to andamanese ?

Roughly speaking, Basal Eurasian is a lineage which split from the out of Africa group sometime after the OOA bottleneck and before OOA group acquired Neanderthal. Western crown Eurasians and East Eurasians are symmetrically related to Basal Eurasian, and much closer to each other than either of them is to Basal. They are still a mysterious bunch and there are lots of controversies involving them, but this is what most would agree with.


With your admixes in mind how is it that villabruna derived and CHG would share a common parental ancestor , suposedly we even have living basal IJ lineages in Iran, at least some of Villabruna's paternal ancestors might have come from further east from around turkey 43.000 years ago.ago.
I see no problem with this, 43 kya would correspond to the earliest evidence of humans in Europe. Ultimately all Paleolithic Europeans came from the east, and ultimately all Eurasians came from Africa, it just depends on how far back you go.

[Tongio]

Roughly speaking, Basal Eurasian is a lineage which split from the out of Africa group sometime after the OOA bottleneck and before OOA group acquired Neanderthal. Western crown Eurasians and East Eurasians are symmetrically related to Basal Eurasian, and much closer to each other than either of them is to Basal. They are still a mysterious bunch and there are lots of controversies involving them, but this is what most would agree with.

I see, thanks for the explanation a little mystery and controversy is always healthy, lets see what the future will tell .

[Urbanuss]

These guys are atypical as fuck in Iberia LOL, even Cristiano Viejo don't post them to represent typical Northern Iberians. Stop with that edgyness, even if ibero-maurisians were part ssa or not, that doesn't make iberians "octoroon". LOL why would ever a guy from Cuiabá act like some sort of nordicist troll? These are the things you would only see on the internet...

I'm not nordicist, i hate this kind of anthrotard

[SangreAzul]

So these Galician and Northern portuguese are mulattos? Lol, dont be hilarious.

https://www.aupaathletic.com/comun/jugadores_fotos/foto_jugador-5178.jpg

https://www.jornaltornado.pt/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/maria-luis-2.jpg

Thanks for publish. True celtic of our land of near my galicia. North portuguese of the celtic lands are our brothers. But thing is i have a issue i see many dark village portugusse including fútbol player. Here one rxample so dark gypsy??? No way no celtic not like my A Spain.

https://i.imgur.com/bF3GcSc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4pKyZch.jpg
Oh my lord, make me think portuguese maybe indeed are the moor. And we send them to these not celtic fake not celtic lands it make me so nervous. Maybe history correct and portuguese moor? When i visit (because close distance) i notice more of this type of village moor gyspy look not normal in A Spain. Maybe only one who notice? Many true celts too but man oh man many ezotix gypsy living in our celtic land. Could be tru but A Spain remains celtic true pure celtic. It’s okay our legacy continues and we will reconquer our land someday. ¡Salud!

[Urbanuss]

Thanks for publish. True celtic of our land of near my galicia. North portuguese of the celtic lands are our brothers. But thing is i have a issue i see many dark village portugusse including fútbol player. Here one rxample so dark gypsy??? No way no celtic not like my A Spain.

https://i.imgur.com/bF3GcSc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4pKyZch.jpg
Oh my lord, make me think portuguese maybe indeed are the moor. And we send them to these not celtic fake not celtic lands it make me so nervous. Maybe history correct and portuguese moor? When i visit (because close distance) i notice more of this type of village moor gyspy look not normal in A Spain. Maybe only one who notice? Many true celts too but man oh man many ezotix gypsy living in our celtic land. Could be tru but A Spain remains celtic true pure celtic. It’s okay our legacy continues and we will reconquer our land someday. ¡Salud!

Dont worry, these portuguese arent typical, a lot of soccer players are atypical or have recent non-euro ancestry.

[SangreAzul]

Dont worry, these portuguese arent typical, a lot of soccer players are atypical or have recent non-euro ancestry.

Ah thank of god. I almost had heart attack as you can imagine. It is celtic land my friend you know this so it would be big big dissapointment for our neighbor to have such dark, gypsy, moor, black looking non-celtic lineage. I saw many walking down the village in minho area. I was surprised but i hink this was gypsy village not real lusitanian heritage here, many brazilian moor convert maybe too. Is true portuguese moor higher and sub saharania genetics than my A Spain? I hear this and bc of so many tan nonceltic looking porto i almost dont know to believe you they look foreign to my eye and my friends. Anyway, i hope youre correct, praise the lord you made me happier with your comment supporting it is celtic peoples too. Saludos

[Sasaolo68]

Ah thank of god. I almost had heart attack as you can imagine. It is celtic land my friend you know this so it would be big big dissapointment for our neighbor to have such dark, gypsy, moor, black looking non-celtic lineage. I saw many walking down the village in minho area. I was surprised but i hink this was gypsy village not real lusitanian heritage here, many brazilian moor convert maybe too. Is true portuguese moor higher and sub saharania genetics than my A Spain? I hear this and bc of so many tan nonceltic looking porto i almost dont know to believe you they look foreign to my eye and my friends. Anyway, i hope youre correct, praise the lord you made me happier with your comment supporting it is celtic peoples too. Saludos

These guys you saw in minho must have been North African, Italiano, árabe or Brazilians tourists, Galiza is only Celtic, don't need to worry.

[Sasaolo68]

Ah thank of god. I almost had heart attack as you can imagine. It is celtic land my friend you know this so it would be big big dissapointment for our neighbor to have such dark, gypsy, moor, black looking non-celtic lineage. I saw many walking down the village in minho area. I was surprised but i hink this was gypsy village not real lusitanian heritage here, many brazilian moor convert maybe too. Is true portuguese moor higher and sub saharania genetics than my A Spain? I hear this and bc of so many tan nonceltic looking porto i almost dont know to believe you they look foreign to my eye and my friends. Anyway, i hope youre correct, praise the lord you made me happier with your comment supporting it is celtic peoples too. Saludos

North Portugal is one of the 9 celtic nation. Not any trace of arabe, sahara genetic.


https://youtu.be/Pbz5xQcP32E

[renaissance12]

Poor negros..........nobody wants any relation with them....

[Defcon2]

Poor negros..........nobody wants any relation with them....

You answered yourself... :rolleyes:

Blacks are associated with extreme poverty and slavery, so nobody wants to be related to them in any way.

[strike978]

Why are you guys so concerned with whether or not North Africans are 1/4 SSA. I am actually 1/4 SSA genetically 1/2 Spaniard rest Indigenous American and North African/West Asian and don't look "black" at all. I think it's probably because I don't have any recent SSA ancestor but I think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

Also I have cousin with blue eyes from my uncle that is maybe 15% SSA and her kids ended up with blonde hair and blue eyes and look northern European.actually my cousin looks northern European too..so having SSA ancestry does not mean anything...

I am sure our ancestors if you go back enough all look like SSA anyway. We all came from Africa after all. And Africa has most diversity in world!

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[renaissance12]

You answered yourself... :rolleyes:

Blacks are associated with extreme poverty and slavery, so nobody wants to be related to them in any way.

I think that B.S.S african are associated with low IQ and with the lack of cultural-scientific-artistic background...with their facial prognatic profile..
Their skin colour is almost a secondary issue...

[SangreAzul]

Why are you guys so concerned with whether or not North Africans are 1/4 SSA. I am actually 1/4 SSA genetically 1/2 Spaniard rest Indigenous American and North African/West Asian and don't look "black" at all. I think it's probably because I don't have any recent SSA ancestor but I think you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

Also I have cousin with blue eyes from my uncle that is maybe 15% SSA and her kids ended up with blonde hair and blue eyes and look northern European.actually my cousin looks northern European too..so having SSA ancestry does not mean anything...

I am sure our ancestors if you go back enough all look like SSA anyway. We all came from Africa after all. And Africa has most diversity in world!

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no look north european. Look A Spain. Blue eye blonde hair common as shit in A Spain. Look At my celtic land to the north and you know it. Most A Spanish know it true when they see our people. We lived in the forest, and mountains for years hunting and gather berries to prepare for battle against dark men trying to invade us.

[Tongio]

no look north european. Look A Spain. Blue eye blonde hair common as shit in A Spain. Look At my celtic land to the north and you know it. Most A Spanish know it true when they see our people. We lived in the forest, and mountains for years hunting and gather berries to prepare for battle against dark men trying to invade us.

:crazy:,Frank Grimes made a good with your reputation lol

[SangreAzul]

:crazy:,Frank Grimes made a good with your reputation lol

only point he do is harassment. Poor child-like behavior to be so mad about me he has to spam Negative Reputation "fag" comment on my profile around 40 time now. Joke on whisky more.

[Urbanuss]

:crazy:,Frank Grimes made a good with your reputation lol

his reputation is questionable lol, must be better

[nee4speed111]

Here are the averages of all NA populations arranged by SSA ancestry, which is comprised of both East & West African ancestry for convenience sake so you don't have to add the multiple SSA pop's. Obviously this doesn't include whatever SSA ancestry is found in Iberomaurusian ancestry, this is just purely SSA.

https://i.imgur.com/VFjiNBy.jpeg