Iraqi G25

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SampleFitAssyrianIranian FarsYorubaSaudiIraqi ► NIRQCHR011.8793700
Iraqi ► Sabian011.9271.516.5012
Iraqi ► WIRQARAMUS011.266625.517.5
Iraqi ► SIRQMUS021.482843.55.523
Iraqi ► SIRQMUS051.852214.5360.5
Iraqi ► SIRQMUS041.6718.545.5531
Iraqi ► SIRQMUS031.4314.54814.523
Iraqi ► SIRQMUS011.4313.54914.523
Iraqi ► WIRQARAMUS021.796811.511.5


Everything people said was true.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The average is made up of very different samples.



Distance to: Iraqi:WIRQARAMUS02
0.04004029 Ezid
0.04008952 Iranian_Lor
0.04190388 Syrian
0.04259170 Iranian_Seyyed
0.04518585 Azeri

Distance to: Iraqi:WIRQARAMUS01
0.01906100 Iranian_Jew
0.02161713 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.02456183 Georgian_Jew
0.02576393 Assyrian
0.03240605 Syrian

Distance to: Iraqi:SIRQMUS05
0.03436486 BedouinA
0.03616805 Yemenite_Amran
0.03653654 Palestinian
0.04001701 Jordanian
0.05016875 Yemenite_Dhamar

Distance to: Iraqi:SIRQMUS04
0.03859765 Syrian
0.03961310 Jordanian
0.04314966 Palestinian
0.04847037 BedouinA
0.05370883 Lebanese_Muslim

Distance to: Iraqi:SIRQMUS03
0.07692816 Egyptian
0.08222980 BedouinA
0.08958627 Palestinian
0.08969204 Jordanian
0.09531185 Syrian

Distance to: Iraqi:SIRQMUS02
0.03616411 Syrian
0.04328928 Jordanian
0.04690665 Palestinian
0.05164523 Lebanese_Muslim
0.05638548 BedouinA

Distance to: Iraqi:SIRQMUS01
0.07692816 Egyptian
0.08222980 BedouinA
0.08958627 Palestinian
0.08969204 Jordanian
0.09531185 Syrian

Distance to: Iraqi:Sabian01
0.02134996 Iranian_Jew
0.02637216 Georgian_Jew
0.02910403 Assyrian
0.03079737 Iraqi_Jew
0.03283368 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya

Distance to: Iraqi:NIRQCHR01
0.02806607 Iranian_Jew
0.02846986 Assyrian
0.02932957 Georgian_Jew
0.03002853 Armenian
0.03600961 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya





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Levant_PPNB
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Yoruba
TUR_Barcin_N
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
Dinka
MAR_Taforalt
Han
Nganassan
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP


Iraqi:NIRQCHR01
24.6
51.4
11.4
4.0
0.0
8.2
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.4
0.0


Iraqi:Sabian01
35.6
28.4
20.4
6.0
0.0
7.2
2.4
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0


Iraqi:SIRQMUS01
39.4
13.8
21.6
7.8
12.4
0.0
3.4
1.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0


Iraqi:SIRQMUS02
43.6
17.8
22.6
8.0
2.0
0.0
2.6
2.6
0.0
0.0
0.8
0.0


Iraqi:SIRQMUS03
39.4
13.8
21.6
7.8
12.4
0.0
3.4
1.6
0.0
0.0
0.0
0.0


Iraqi:SIRQMUS04
45.4
13.4
22.2
9.2
2.0
0.0
3.6
2.2
1.8
0.0
0.0
0.2


Iraqi:SIRQMUS05
62.0
2.8
23.6
6.2
0.0
0.0
1.2
3.2
1.0
0.0
0.0
0.0


Iraqi:WIRQARAMUS01
32.8
30.2
18.8
8.2
0.0
7.4
2.0
0.0
0.0
0.2
0.4
0.0


Iraqi:WIRQARAMUS02
37.4
22.4
22.6
12.2
1.0
0.0
2.0
0.0
0.0
2.4
0.0
0.0


Average
40.0
21.6
20.5
7.7
3.3
2.5
2.3
1.2
0.3
0.3
0.2
0.0

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[Trouble]

Because of different origins/geographic locations.

[Trouble]

2 guys scoring double digit SSA which is unheard of in West Asia. Clearly mongols didn’t wipe out all the inhabitants of Mesopotamia because there is a lot of Zanj ancestry remaining. It’d have been wiped out otherwise.

[Lucas]

What is that? Academic Iraqis? From what study?

EDIT: I see few obscure samples. Mostly south Iraq but SSa seems much to high. On Anthrogenica also didn't know from what source they were. I stick to with Gedmatch Iraqi samples:)
Probably someone send him his family samples. Should be some SSA slave descendant not real Iraqi. Nothing important.

[Aren]

Iraqi:SIRQMUS01 and Iraqi:SIRQMUS03 are obviously the same person(exact coordinates), something must've gone wrong there.

I think the guy who provided these samples wanted all kinds of people in Iraq to be included, which is why there's an Assyrian an a Mandean in there. But I'm more interested in the Muslims tbh.

[Abdelnour]

Interesting.

I guess the country of Iraq should have been carved up based on groups historical origins.

[FinalFlash]

Iraq seems to share much with Syria in that it is a multiethnic country with a decent amount of diversity. Less homogenous than a country like Lebanon.

[Trouble]

Iraqi:SIRQMUS01 and Iraqi:SIRQMUS03 are obviously the same person(exact coordinates), something must've gone wrong there.

I think the guy who provided these samples wanted all kinds of people in Iraq to be included, which is why there's an Assyrian an a Mandean in there. But I'm more interested in the Muslims tbh.

It's not what I got wrong but Davidski in that case.

[Trouble]

Iraq seems to share much with Syria in that it is a multiethnic country with a decent amount of diversity. Less homogenous than a country like Lebanon.

Iraq is much more diverse than Syria. People in Syria from the same geographic region within the country will score similar to one another for the most part. There's a Mesopotamian shift to the east, Anatolian shift to the north, and Arabian shift in the far south with the western core being the most Levantine as I understand it. Iraq is different in that people from the exact same city or town can have wildly different results. No idea why but it could be due to the tribal factor.

[Halgurd]

Iraq is much more diverse than Syria. People in Syria from the same geographic region within the country will score similar to one another for the most part. There's a Mesopotamian shift to the east, Anatolian shift to the north, and Arabian shift in the far south with the western core being the most Levantine as I understand it. Iraq is different in that people from the exact same city or town can have wildly different results. No idea why but it could be due to the tribal factor.

Kurds form their own homogenous group.
Chaldeans form their own homogenous group.
Iraqi Turkmens and Arabs on the other hand are very diverse.

[Trouble]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

SampleFitLevant JOR EBAGanj Dareh NBarcin NGEO CHGSidelkino HGIraqi ► Sabian012.3440.527.5245.52.5
Iranian Jew ► Average2.6640.527.52453
Assyrian ► Average2.623525.527102.5

[FinalFlash]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

SampleFitLevant JOR EBAGanj Dareh NBarcin NGEO CHGSidelkino HGIraqi ► Sabian012.3440.527.5245.52.5
Iranian Jew ► Average2.6640.527.52453
Assyrian ► Average2.623525.527102.5

3 of those Assyrian individuals are mixed. 2 of them seemingly with Armenians and one can be modeled as half Kurdish. This may explain some of those disparities with Mandeans.

[Aren]

By the way Sabians I found out are Mandaeans. Mandeans seem to plot slightly more closely with Iranian and Kurdish Jews than Assyrians, strangely. The two groups share no common recent origin but since lower Mesopotamia is located further east than upper Mesopotamia(where Assyrians lived), the native inhabitants might have been more eastern/Iran_N shifted. Makes sense.

SampleFitLevant JOR EBAGanj Dareh NBarcin NGEO CHGSidelkino HGIraqi ► Sabian012.3440.527.5245.52.5
Iranian Jew ► Average2.6640.527.52453
Assyrian ► Average2.623525.527102.5

They are connected linguistically, or rather they were.
All Eastern Mizrahi Jews descend from Iraqi/Babylonian Jewry who spoke Babylonian Aramaic until they shifted to Arabic sometime after the Islamic invasion. Mandeans of Iraq also shifted very recently to Arabic from their native neo Mandaic. Mandaic and Babylonian Aramaic were very close, both emerging side by side in south-central Iraq. I’m not surprised at all that they are so close, despite minimal to no contact between the two groups.

[Trouble]

3 of those Assyrian individuals are mixed. 2 of them seemingly with Armenians and one can be modeled as half Kurdish. This may explain some of those disparities with Mandeans.

Possibly, but it seems to be the case on gedmatch as well.

[Trouble]

They are connected linguistically, or rather they were.
All Eastern Mizrahi Jews descend from Iraqi/Babylonian Jewry who spoke Babylonian Aramaic until they shifted to Arabic sometime after the Islamic invasion. Mandeans of Iraq also shifted very recently to Arabic from their native neo Mandaic. Mandaic and Babylonian Aramaic were very close, both emerging side by side in south-central Iraq. I’m not surprised at all that they are so close, despite minimal to no contact between the two groups.

Eh, I don’t know about that. If it were the case then Iraqi Jews would be their closest match but they’re not. Iraqi Jews shift a little toward the Levant. Iranian/Kurdish Jews are a bit Eastern shifted after possible admixture with locals and that Levantine base of the original Jewish population is sort of offset, making them closer to Mandaeans.

[Aren]

Eh, I don’t know about that. If it were the case then Iraqi Jews would be their closest match but they’re not. Iraqi Jews shift a little toward the Levant. Iranian/Kurdish Jews are a bit Eastern shifted after possible admixture with locals and that Levantine base of the original Jewish population is sort of offset, making them closer to Mandaeans.

What you mean if that's the case? It's history, you can't deny their close ties to Babylonian Jewry.
He is close to all Eastern Mizrahi Jews, the difference is small

Distance to: Iraqi:Sabian01

0.02134996 Iranian_Jew
0.02637216 Georgian_Jew
0.02910403 Assyrian
0.03079737 Iraqi_Jew
0.03283368 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
0.03667270 Lebanese_Druze
0.03802502 Druze
0.03847100 Syrian
0.03953715 Lebanese_Muslim
0.04031306 Armenian
0.04632097 Kurdish
0.04653142 Lebanese_Christian
0.04666469 Ezid
0.04666996 Karaite_Egypt

[marco]

Can you post the samples here i would like to run them