ADNTRO-New DNA testing company

[Zoro]

https://www.adntro.com/en/

There is a new company that does saliva kits and DNA uploads for EUR 15. They use the Illumina Global Screening Array which is what 23andMe V5 uses and is a little better for E Eurasian variation. The older 23andMe V3 and V4 used the Illumina Omni Express Array which was more geared for W Eurasian variation.

IMO the best Illumina arrays are the Multi-Ethnic array which genotypes 1.8 million SNPs but DNA companies don't use them because they are more expensive.

IMO for Asian variation the Illumina Asian array is best but I haven't seen any company use it.

Anyways if you were genotyped on 23andme V5 you'll get the most accurate results here because both 23andme V5 and ADNTRO use the same Illumina Global Screening Array.

They also give you reaction to various medications and disease propensity.



As far as admixture results I'm not sure which ethnic groups they used for references but here are results of a couple of Iraqi Kurmanji Kurds which are typical Kurdish results in Iraq.



Kurd-Kurmanji-Iraq 23andme V5 data which should be slightly more accurate than the next Kurd which is V4 data.

I think the admixture wheel percentages are off because they don't match the table

https://i.imgur.com/GoQpn3X.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5WPdu8Z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FARuoaJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/LmssLez.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/8My0q8V.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GhIPZHC.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/lP0tBdX.jpg?1

[Zoro]

Another kurmanji kurd result from Iraq. This one is 23andme V4 so slightly less accurate than the above 23andme V5 because V5 and ADNTRO both use the same Illumina Global Screening array. Wheel chart seems off

https://i.imgur.com/PxgSsT0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g6cKOgu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/j0b9kq5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vtF6wDR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NCatciC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sK1fBug.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

I'll try it later.

[RyoHazuki]

Uploaded my 23andme V5 data and eh, the result is taken with a grain of salt. What seperates East Euro, North East Euro, and Central Euro? Is East Euro like Ukraine? It also seems too diverse. I'm not sure how I can be 16% Scandinavian with 0 modern ancestral connections to Scandinavia, but 0% MENA with 12.5% connections to MENA countries. Not sure it was worth €15
https://i.imgur.com/8HxR1nm_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/fqUalUy_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Zoro]

Uploaded my 23andme V5 data and eh, the result is taken with a grain of salt. What seperates East Euro, North East Euro, and Central Euro? Is East Euro like Ukraine? It also seems too diverse. I'm not sure how I can be 16% Scandinavian with 0 modern ancestral connections to Scandinavia, but 0% MENA with 12.5% connections to MENA countries. Not sure it was worth €15
https://i.imgur.com/8HxR1nm_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/fqUalUy_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium


These are their references

Karitiana Amerindian
GreatBritain British Isles
Orcadian British Isles
Abkhazian Caucasian
Balkar Caucasian
Kumyks Caucasian
Lezgins Caucasian
Nogais Caucasian
Tabassaran Caucasian
Turks Caucasian
Croat Central European
Hungarians Central European
Cambodians Chinese & Southeast Asian
Dai Chinese & Southeast Asian
Vietnamese Chinese & Southeast Asian
Miaozu Chinese & Southeast Asian
Papuan Chinese & Southeast Asian
Xibo Chinese & Southeast Asian
Ethiopians East African
Japanese East Asian
Bulgarian East Balkan
Gagauz East Balkan
Moldavian East Balkan
Romanian East Balkan
Daur East Central Asian
Kirghiz East Central Asian
Mongol East Central Asian
Oroqen East Central Asian
Tajik East Central Asian
Turkmen East Central Asian
Uygur East Central Asian
Uzbeks East Central Asian
Yagnobi East Central Asian
Lithuanians East Central European
Pole East Central European
Russian East Central European
Selkups Eastern European
Tatar Eastern European
Ukranians Eastern European
French French & German
German French & German
Cypriots Greek & West Balkan
Greek Greek & West Balkan
Sicily Greek & West Balkan
Basque Iberian
Spanish Iberian
Sardinian Italian
Italian Italian
Tuscan Italian
Ashkenazi_Jew Levantine
Druze Levantine
Iranians Levantine
Jordanians Levantine
Lebanese Levantine
Palestinian Levantine
Samaritans Levantine
Saudis Levantine
Syrians Levantine
AlgeriaJew North & East African
Bedouin North East African
Egyptians North East African
Ethiopian_Jew North East African
Libya_Jew North East African
Moroccan_Jew North East African
Moroccans North East African
Mozabite North East African
Sephardic_Jew North East African
Tunisina_Jew North East African
Bashkir North East European
Belorussian North East European
Buriat North East European
Chuvash North East European
Finn North East European
Maris North East European
Sweden Scandinavian
Chukchi Siberian
Evenk Siberian
Komi Siberian
Koryak Siberian
Mordovians Siberian
Nenet Siberian
Yakut Siberian
Dharkars South Asian
Gujrati South Asian
Telegu South Asian
Kalash South Asian
Kol South Asian
Kurmi South Asian
Kurumba South Asian
Mumbaian_Jew South Asian
Kannadi South Asian
Punjabi South Asian
Tamil South Asian
Chamar South Asian
Velamas South Asian
Yizu South Asian
Balochi South Central Asian
Bengali South Central Asian
Brahui South Central Asian
Burusho South Central Asian
Sindhi South Central Asian
Luhya South East African
Bantu Subsahara
Pygmies Subsahara
Gambian Subsahara
Mandenka Subsahara
Mende Subsahara
San Subsahara
Yoruba Subsahara

[Lucas]

Their references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents...

Let's see: Belarusian and Buriats in one group, Ukrainians and Selkups, Mordovians and Yakuts, Yizu and Indians, Tajiks and Mongols, Baloch and Bengali, and many more....
Oh and Turks in Caucasus group but Armenian in Anatolian.
Every TA member active in genetic threads would group it better.

https://i.imgur.com/ufSJGeU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DLA1zCF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UyVRDP7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dRpt5vU.jpg

[J. Ketch]

They references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents:)

Grace O'Malley's result was 0% British Isles (which until yesterday was called 'Britain & Ireland & West France & North Iberia':picard1:), but she got lots of Iberian and Italian. When she queried the result the she got an answer in poor English from someone called 'William Bateson' (keep in mind this site is based in Spain), who of course was one of the eminent figures in the history of genetics.

Possibly the worst scam DNA site I've seen yet, but people like flushing money down the toilet I guess, as we've seen with MyTrueAncestry.

[Lucas]

Grace O'Malley's result was 0% British Isles (which until yesterday was called 'Britain & Ireland & West France & North Iberia':picard1:), but she got lots of Iberian and Italian. When she queried the result the she got an answer in poor English from someone called 'William Bateson' (keep in mind this site is based in Spain), who of course was one of the eminent figures in the history of genetics.

Possibly the worst scam DNA site I've seen yet, but people like flushing money down the toilet I guess, as we've seen with MyTrueAncestry.

I gave them a chance because usually I appear as crtitic of most of such websites on every forum, so I want to change my mind:) Anyway I should be critic still... I'm ashamed I wasted money on it. But I tried.


was called 'Britain & Ireland & West France & North Iberia':picard1:
Atlantic Facade!

[Zoro]

They references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents...

Let's see: Belarusian and Buriats in one group, Ukrainians and Selkups, Mordovians and Yakuts, Yizu and Indians, Tajiks and Mongols, Baloch and Bengali, and many more....
Oh and Turks in Caucasus group but Armenian in Anatolian.
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Yeah what’s up with that? I wonder if that’s a mistake but for the 2 kurdish samples especially the one with 23andme v5 the results were sensible.To their credit both kurds didn’t get Italian like what 23andme or some companies assign. They both got larger E Balkan followed by W Balkan which makes better sense than Italian.

The high C Asian is also reasonable since 2 Tajik groups are part of that.

Something to keep in mind though is they use the Illumina Global screening array chip just like 23andme V5 which is superior to the older Illumina Omni Exoress chip 23andme used for V3 and V4. What this means is if anyone has older 23andme V3 or V4 data the SNP overlap with the Global Screening array is poor so their results will not be as accurate.

So people who have 23andme V5 data will get the most accurate results just like the 1st kurdish sample i posted.

I still have no idea what they used for N Asian references I didn’t see those in their table. Also their admix wheel needs to get fixed because those % don’t line up with actual results

[RyoHazuki]

Their references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents...

Let's see: Belarusian and Buriats in one group, Ukrainians and Selkups, Mordovians and Yakuts, Yizu and Indians, Tajiks and Mongols, Baloch and Bengali, and many more....
Oh and Turks in Caucasus group but Armenian in Anatolian.
Every TA member active in genetic threads would group it better.

https://i.imgur.com/ufSJGeU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DLA1zCF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UyVRDP7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dRpt5vU.jpg

Wow, these are just basic geography mistakes. Since when was Bangladesh in the "Central Asia"? South Central Asia is Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan... this is bad.

[RyoHazuki]

Grace O'Malley's result was 0% British Isles (which until yesterday was called 'Britain & Ireland & West France & North Iberia':picard1:), but she got lots of Iberian and Italian. When she queried the result the she got an answer in poor English from someone called 'William Bateson' (keep in mind this site is based in Spain), who of course was one of the eminent figures in the history of genetics.

Possibly the worst scam DNA site I've seen yet, but people like flushing money down the toilet I guess, as we've seen with MyTrueAncestry.

I'm glad I did it, only to show others it's not worth it.

[RyoHazuki]

Yeah what’s up with that? I wonder if that’s a mistake but for the 2 kurdish samples especially the one with 23andme v5 the results were sensible.To their credit both kurds didn’t get Italian like what 23andme or some companies assign. They both got larger E Balkan followed by W Balkan which makes better sense than Italian.

The high C Asian is also reasonable since 2 Tajik groups are part of that.

Something to keep in mind though is they use the Illumina Global screening array chip just like 23andme V5 which is superior to the older Illumina Omni Exoress chip 23andme used for V3 and V4. What this means is if anyone has older 23andme V3 or V4 data the SNP overlap with the Global Screening array is poor so their results will not be as accurate.

So people who have 23andme V5 data will get the most accurate results just like the 1st kurdish sample i posted.

I still have no idea what they used for N Asian references I didn’t see those in their table. Also their admix wheel needs to get fixed because those % don’t line up with actual results

I used V5 and it def needs work. The current relative countries would be interesting if they actually corresponded to your admix composition.

[Grace O'Malley]

This is my result.

https://i.imgur.com/sYZMdhr.png
https://i.imgur.com/a1tO3OL.png
https://i.imgur.com/NIHLFGW.png
https://i.imgur.com/2T57ytJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/9bx1Lu5.png
https://i.imgur.com/P93C919.png
https://i.imgur.com/dt13adf.png

I did query about not getting any Irish and this was the reply.

Thank you very much for your email. We really appreciate your feedback to improve our platform.

Regarding your question, our algorithm classifies your DNA segments to the closest current population in which it is more common to find a piece of DNA in our sampling. After reviewing your results, we found out that your DNA is not classified as our British and Irish samples as is closer to scandinavian and west central european (french & german). We will improve the irish recall, adding curated samples from Ireland in the following months.

Regards
William Bateson

[Zoro]

This is my result.

https://i.imgur.com/sYZMdhr.png
https://i.imgur.com/a1tO3OL.png
https://i.imgur.com/NIHLFGW.png
https://i.imgur.com/2T57ytJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/9bx1Lu5.png
https://i.imgur.com/P93C919.png
https://i.imgur.com/dt13adf.png

I did query about not getting any Irish and this was the reply.

Thank you very much for your email. We really appreciate your feedback to improve our platform.

Regarding your question, our algorithm classifies your DNA segments to the closest current population in which it is more common to find a piece of DNA in our sampling. After reviewing your results, we found out that your DNA is not classified as our British and Irish samples as is closer to scandinavian and west central european (french & german). We will improve the irish recall, adding curated samples from Ireland in the following months.

Regards
William Bateson


Guessing you didn’t use 23andMe V5 data

[Chris596]

Zoro can you post your results (if you did it) ? I'm curious if it's accurate for you or not. I'm still thinking about this one, maybe I'll try it later, I expect mainly Slavic results since this is my major European ancestry.

[Zoro]

Zoro can you post your results (if you did it?). I'm curious if it's accurate for you or not. I'm still thinking about this one, maybe I'll try it later, I expect mainly Slavic results since this is my major European ancestry.

For me not as accurate because my data isn’t V5 but I’ll post later. The SNP overlap between ADNTRO’s Global array (also V5) and V3.V4 is poor

[gixajo]

Their references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents...

g]

Well, they are a new company, maybe in a year they they learn to do things better;)

I read a sentence about an European ethnicity that they called "unique DNA" and I could stop myself to smile derisively.

[Zoro]

Zoro can you post your results (if you did it) ? I'm curious if it's accurate for you or not. I'm still thinking about this one, maybe I'll try it later, I expect mainly Slavic results since this is my major European ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/QInLa5l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C3XAVY5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QABbIxM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HbEfCmw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4mNeGet.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zTcpXyq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U8yQ28B.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Guessing you didn’t use 23andMe V5 data

I used Ancestry which has good raw dna. Anyway I appreciate their honest response. If they don't have a good Irish panel then this result is not unexpected judging from what I have got with some of these minor companies although this company gave me the highest Southern European and West Asian that I've ever had. Not getting any British or Irish is not good though. I'm 100% Irish so that doesn't really look for them.

[Zoro]

I used Ancestry which has good raw dna. Anyway I appreciate their honest response. If they don't have a good Irish panel then this result is not unexpected judging from what I have got with some of these minor companies although this company gave me the highest Southern European and West Asian that I've ever had. Not getting any British or Irish is not good though. I'm 100% Irish so that doesn't really look for them.

Well therein lies some of your problem. AncestryDNA, 23andme V3/V4 use older Illumina Omni Express micro-arrays which are geared more towards W Eurasian variation but unfortunately don’t have good marker overlap with their newer Illumina Global Screening array which also is good for E Eurasian variation. 23andme V5 also uses this newer array. Of course good irish/british references are also necessary . Definitely room for improvement for them

[Halgurd]

@Zoro

Silav bira, is it worth buying it?

[Zoro]

@Zoro

Silav bira, is it worth buying it?

Wa alaikum. I would be curious to see yours (pretty sure close to the 1st kurmanji i posted with V5) but definitely use your V5 not V4. I think it's decent plus the Global Screening array they use has alot of pharma and disease SNPs so you'll get alot of info on your reaction to various medicines plus any disease associations you may have

[RyoHazuki]

This is my result.

https://i.imgur.com/sYZMdhr.png
https://i.imgur.com/a1tO3OL.png
https://i.imgur.com/NIHLFGW.png
https://i.imgur.com/2T57ytJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/9bx1Lu5.png
https://i.imgur.com/P93C919.png
https://i.imgur.com/dt13adf.png

I did query about not getting any Irish and this was the reply.

Thank you very much for your email. We really appreciate your feedback to improve our platform.

Regarding your question, our algorithm classifies your DNA segments to the closest current population in which it is more common to find a piece of DNA in our sampling. After reviewing your results, we found out that your DNA is not classified as our British and Irish samples as is closer to scandinavian and west central european (french & german). We will improve the irish recall, adding curated samples from Ireland in the following months.

Regards
William Bateson

The recent ancestry locations are slightly more accurate than the composition. The incongruous results between the two show how off the composition really is.

[Zoro]

The incongruous results between the two show how off the composition really is.

But isn’t that the case with 23andme and other companies also. The DNA relatives list is not the same as admixture composition, no?

[gixajo]

It´s a company based in Baleares Islands, maybe it´s more accurate with Spanish ancestry, I'm curious if they would be more successful with someone from Spain.

Better try it with 23andme raw data and not the one of MyHeritage, isn´t it?

[RyoHazuki]

It´s a company based in Baleares Islands, maybe it´s more accurate with Spanish ancestry, I'm curious if they would be more successful with someone from Spain.

Better try it with 23andme raw data and not the one of MyHeritage, isn´t it?

Yeah, I used 23andme and it seems good for Iberian ancestry. Though I got Baleares as my closest region.

[gixajo]

Yeah, I used 23andme and it seems good for Iberian ancestry. Though I got Baleares as my closest region.

But I am a Southern and Northen Spain mixed individual, maybe my mixing is misinterpreted.

Although 23andme knew how to interpret my ancestry by regions quite well.

[Chris596]

Alright I did it. I have to say I'm surprised, but they really need to improve, basically everything is accurate except the Iberian and the over-represented Western European.

I'm not sure what to say. I mean, they detected around 4% Caucasian ancestry again, and around 2% East Asian so I can say that's true. They also detected large amounts of East-Central European and West-East Balkan (which is true again). The Italian can be actually Jewish in my case. Of course in my case it would be surprising if they actually detected even more Western European, when I practically have no ancestry from there.

So far all these companies take a huge sh*t on Myheritage :dancingpoop: and they all did much better for me xD xD the irony

European 93.7%
Asian 6.3%

https://i.imgur.com/SIirM4h.png

https://i.imgur.com/eY6NoML.png

https://i.imgur.com/DeA8l54.png

https://i.imgur.com/H6rIMiS.png

https://i.imgur.com/qQAm1o4.png

https://i.imgur.com/Qfjvpss.png

https://i.imgur.com/fVbia3w.png

[Halgurd]

Wa alaikum. I would be curious to see yours (pretty sure close to the 1st kurmanji i posted with V5) but definitely use your V5 not V4. I think it's decent plus the Global Screening array they use has alot of pharma and disease SNPs so you'll get alot of info on your reaction to various medicines plus any disease associations you may have

https://i.ibb.co/1Q16BFd/D4-D059-D3-3-E9-D-4-E71-A034-FC8289-C0-D6-E3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/g6P5jkS/588-F1543-8-FD9-49-FB-B79-A-D1265018-A4-FB.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/kS5GttK/01-AF52-CC-310-B-4-C7-B-B273-4-C812-D24977-C.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/9Wq0fqM/83-DABDA0-7897-4-DF8-A9-E4-598-BC110180-C.jpg

[Zoro]

https://i.ibb.co/1Q16BFd/D4-D059-D3-3-E9-D-4-E71-A034-FC8289-C0-D6-E3.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/g6P5jkS/588-F1543-8-FD9-49-FB-B79-A-D1265018-A4-FB.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/kS5GttK/01-AF52-CC-310-B-4-C7-B-B273-4-C812-D24977-C.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/9Wq0fqM/83-DABDA0-7897-4-DF8-A9-E4-598-BC110180-C.jpg

Thanks for posting bira. So similar to the 1st Kurmanji kurd with V5 data i posted except you Are more C Asian Shifted and he slightly more N Asian which BTW is Siberian according to them. Both of your W Asian are about the same. Both of you have similar Balkan which is more logical than Italian which other tests show

Can you post your ethnicity matches barplot and what was your S Asian and African?

[Zoro]

N Asian is same as Siberian

[Halgurd]

Thanks for posting bira. So similar to the 1st Kurmanji kurd with V5 data i posted except you Are more C Asian Shifted and he slightly more N Asian which BTW is Siberian according to them. Both of your W Asian are about the same. Both of you have similar Balkan which is more logical than Italian which other tests show

Can you post your ethnicity matches barplot and what was your S Asian and African?

No problem bira, these are some very interesting results. I scored 0 African and 0 S Asian.

https://i.ibb.co/k6YPBxn/3-D0-C579-A-282-B-495-E-BFD7-0-BA7652-B5-D34.jpg

[Kamal900]

So they accept FamilyTreeDNA raw data?

[Zoro]

No problem bira, these are some very interesting results. I scored 0 African and 0 S Asian.

https://i.ibb.co/k6YPBxn/3-D0-C579-A-282-B-495-E-BFD7-0-BA7652-B5-D34.jpg

Interesting indeed. A little odd you didn’t score S Asian but you did have higher C Asian than him but more odd is the fact your ethnic matches are quite different from the 1st kurmanji kurd i posted. Did you use V5 data?



Odd for him Spain, Israel and Lebanon may just be Kurd related. Odd for you NW Europe unless they are kurd related. No idea how they calculate these IBD?

https://i.imgur.com/GhIPZHC.jpg?1

[Halgurd]

Interesting indeed. A little odd you didn’t score S Asian but you did have higher C Asian than him but more odd is the fact your ethnic matches are quite different from the 1st kurmanji kurd i posted. Did you use V5 data?

Yep, used my v5 data. To be honest, the results do correlate with my gedmatch and 23andme in that I score more Siberian and East Asian related components and less South Asian. It also picked up on an Amerindian component which seems to be consistent with gedmatch.

Not sure if I should take the ethnicity matches barplot at face value though.

[Zoro]

So they accept FamilyTreeDNA raw data?

They may but I've found out that accuracy is best with 23andme V5 data only because they use the same newer array; Global Diversity Array

23andme V4/V3, AncestryDNA, FTDNA less accurate because those used the older Omni Express Array which doesn't have that high SNP overlap with newer Global array

[Zoro]

Yep, used my v5 data. To be honest, the results do correlate with my gedmatch and 23andme in that I score more Siberian and East Asian related components and less South Asian. It also picked up on an Amerindian component which seems to be consistent with gedmatch.

Not sure if I should take the ethnicity matches barplot at face value though.

Ok makes sense. They merged N Asian and Siberian according to them. I think someone should contact them and ask how they calculate that other barplot. Is it based on IBD or what.

It's good they use the newer Illumina Global Array because it genotypes more SNPs specific to Asians although Illumina's Multi-Ethnic Array with 1.8 million SNPs is the best for bringing out the E Asian in W Asians but no company uses it because its expensive.

The older Omni-Express array everyone uses isn't that good for showing the E Asian SNPs W Asians carry


It would be interesting to see Levantine, Arab and Turkish results. I bet they would be very different from Kurdish ones

[Alenka]

Has anyone tried this with MyHeritage raw data? Does it work?

[Zoro]

Has anyone tried this with MyHeritage raw data? Does it work?

I think you should have good results if your MyHeritage is after March 2019 because they also switched to Global Array


Until recently, MyHeritage DNA tests were processed using Illumina’s Omni chip. To provide our customers with a more robust and powerful analysis, we decided to upgrade to a new and more advanced custom-designed version, based on Illumina’s Global Screening Array (GSA) chip. The process of designing the content of the new chip and working with Illumina for them to manufacture it for us took more than a year.

[gixajo]

Has anyone tried this with MyHeritage raw data? Does it work?

Yes it works also wit MH raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/2TV02Pd.png

[Impaler]

I think you should have good results if your MyHeritage is after March 2019 because they also switched to Global Array

So in your opinion the V5 of 23andMe is the best?

[Zoro]

So in your opinion the V5 of 23andMe is the best?

The chip V5, ADNTRO, and which many companies have switched to in 2020 which is called GSA or Global Array is definitely better than the older OmniExpress chip everyone used for genotyping SNPs with variation in West and East Eurasians.

The problem is the analysis of the genotyped SNPs. 23andme's analysis sucks because they discard so many minor segments. Gedmatch has a problem also because those calculators were designed based on older V3, V4 data so they don't take advantage of all of GSA's snps. That's why V5 users show few SNPs used on Gedmatch calculators. The fix would be if everyone redesigned their calculators based on GSA's SNPs but that will not happen

[Halgurd]

Ok makes sense. They merged N Asian and Siberian according to them. I think someone should contact them and ask how they calculate that other barplot. Is it based on IBD or what.

It's good they use the newer Illumina Global Array because it genotypes more SNPs specific to Asians although Illumina's Multi-Ethnic Array with 1.8 million SNPs is the best for bringing out the E Asian in W Asians but no company uses it because its expensive.

The older Omni-Express array everyone uses isn't that good for showing the E Asian SNPs W Asians carry


It would be interesting to see Levantine, Arab and Turkish results. I bet they would be very different from Kurdish ones

Definitely! I think in our case, it is very accurate. It accurately highlights our central Asian ancestry which fits in with our historical origins.

[JerryS.]

I used my 8-10 year old raw Ancestry data (whenever they first came out), I'm not going to spend another 15 Euros to do this with my new 23/me data.

anyway, here's what I got:

European 95.1%
68% NW European
French & German 36.4% (I have no known French ancestry)
British Isles 17.6% (my English and Scottish should account for 50+%) and this category use to be Irish, English, Iberian
Scandinavian 14.1% (I have no recent ancestry from there, and at this amount you'd think they could say Norway or something?)
15% Southern European
Iberian 12.5% (was initially listed as Central Italian/East Iberian, go figure)
Greek & West Balkan 2.5% (should tie into Italian for me).
0% East Balkan
0% Italian(?)
12.1% Central & Eastern European
Eastern European 12.1% (I have no recent ancestry from here, and at this amount you'd think they could say Poland or something?)
0% Central European
0% North Eastern European

Asian 4.9%
3.3% Western Asian
Anatolia 3.3% (This was listed as west Central Anatolia before, but I think this could be "Greek Smyrna" colony in Turkey as I've gotten that before on GEDmatch)
0% Caucasus
0% Levantine
1.6% Central Asian
Central Asian 1.6%(no idea...)
0% Southcentral Asian
0% North Asian
0% East Asian
0% Siberian

African 0% (I've almost always gotten something from North Africa, except here)

America 0%


I think they have a bit of tweaking to do.

[Halgurd]

Another Kurdish v5 result

https://i.ibb.co/dcVbCcZ/64733561-8243-4-CD6-9177-158743-BDBDBC.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/vwWbfrB/0-E856705-8-B30-4-A9-D-81-D6-0-EFA221-DAD6-F.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/3k4vxLF/5331116-D-652-A-49-C6-8096-388-D1-C29918-C.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/ZBhPJyZ/12-E45363-9306-4-A38-91-C4-FC4-E928-B7021.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/CJJKy8k/C56718-BB-5-E1-A-4-C07-94-D3-87-B49737543-D.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/j6w0DSV/954-CC91-C-A646-44-BC-ACD2-A0-CC29-CF07-CB.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/MgqDJmz/19-D70-FB2-04-F4-4-D90-8-F6-D-E654-C51-DDEFB.jpg

[Halgurd]

Alright I did it. I have to say I'm surprised, but they really need to improve, basically everything is accurate except the Iberian and the over-represented Western European.

I'm not sure what to say. I mean, they detected around 4% Caucasian ancestry again, and around 2% East Asian so I can say that's true. They also detected large amounts of East-Central European and West-East Balkan (which is true again). The Italian can be actually Jewish in my case. Of course in my case it would be surprising if they actually detected even more Western European, when I practically have no ancestry from there.

So far all these companies take a huge sh*t on Myheritage :dancingpoop: and they all did much better for me xD xD the irony

European 93.7%
Asian 6.3%

[]

In your case, I think it's clear that you have genuine east asian ancestry.

[gixajo]

:eek:

https://i.imgur.com/GOuG772.png

Galician!!!

https://i.imgur.com/rRHOrWX.png

Haplotypes corrects,but they haven't gone very far.

https://i.imgur.com/ytxTSjK.png

Neandertal/Denisovan...this i don't think is very accurate to track.

https://i.imgur.com/i6QJONM.png

I guessed that as a mixed individual North/South Iberian peninsula, it should not be easy to attribute a precise origin within Iberian peninsula, but this result is the most different of all that I have got.

Anyway, it is a new company, and it is assumed that they will improve their databases and their estimations (as long as they continue to exist).

[Zoro]

Another Kurdish v5 result

https://i.ibb.co/dcVbCcZ/64733561-8243-4-CD6-9177-158743-BDBDBC.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/vwWbfrB/0-E856705-8-B30-4-A9-D-81-D6-0-EFA221-DAD6-F.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/3k4vxLF/5331116-D-652-A-49-C6-8096-388-D1-C29918-C.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/ZBhPJyZ/12-E45363-9306-4-A38-91-C4-FC4-E928-B7021.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/CJJKy8k/C56718-BB-5-E1-A-4-C07-94-D3-87-B49737543-D.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/j6w0DSV/954-CC91-C-A646-44-BC-ACD2-A0-CC29-CF07-CB.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/MgqDJmz/19-D70-FB2-04-F4-4-D90-8-F6-D-E654-C51-DDEFB.jpg

Nice find. I’m guessing this is a Kurd from Turkey because Iran is all the way down and Turkey very high whereas for Iraqi kurds Iran is very high and Turkey lower.

Again, what consistently distinguishes kurdish results from rest i’ve seen is high C Asian, and also relatively high N Asian (Siberian).

[Chris596]

:eek:


Hey Gixajo, that's pretty cool, at least they predicted Spain and regions too for you :) In my case they predicted Romania (half of my ancestry is from there) which was a pleasant surprise. No Hungary for some reason but anyway xD

They said that almost 80% of my ancestry is from Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Russia combined, and I can't deny that, so I think it's true (now also genetically speaking).

Unfortunately they couldn't predict my Y-DNA or mtDNA because there's not enough information in my DNA file for that.

[Zoro]

I used my 8-10 year old raw Ancestry data (whenever they first came out), I'm not going to spend another 15 Euros to do this with my new 23/me data.

anyway, here's what I got:

European 95.1%
68% NW European
French & German 36.4% (I have no known French ancestry)
British Isles 17.6% (my English and Scottish should account for 50+%) and this category use to be Irish, English, Iberian
Scandinavian 14.1% (I have no recent ancestry from there, and at this amount you'd think they could say Norway or something?)
15% Southern European
Iberian 12.5% (was initially listed as Central Italian/East Iberian, go figure)
Greek & West Balkan 2.5% (should tie into Italian for me).
0% East Balkan
0% Italian(?)
12.1% Central & Eastern European
Eastern European 12.1% (I have no recent ancestry from here, and at this amount you'd think they could say Poland or something?)
0% Central European
0% North Eastern European

Asian 4.9%
3.3% Western Asian
Anatolia 3.3% (This was listed as west Central Anatolia before, but I think this could be "Greek Smyrna" colony in Turkey as I've gotten that before on GEDmatch)
0% Caucasus
0% Levantine
1.6% Central Asian
Central Asian 1.6%(no idea...)
0% Southcentral Asian
0% North Asian
0% East Asian
0% Siberian

African 0% (I've almost always gotten something from North Africa, except here)

America 0%


I think they have a bit of tweaking to do.

Too bad you didn’t use your V5 data as accuracy would have been significantly higher reason being that Ancestrydna along with older FTDNA and 23andme V3.V4 use older Illumina OmniExpress array which only has about 150K SNPs overlapping with the new GSA array these people and V5 uses.

The older OmniExpress was good for Europeans but the GSA is good for Europeans Asians and Africans.

[gixajo]

Hey Gixajo, that's pretty cool, at least they predicted Spain and regions too for you :) In my case they predicted Romania (half of my ancestry is from there) which was a pleasant surprise. No Hungary for some reason but anyway xD

They said that almost 80% of my ancestry is from Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Russia combined, and I can't deny that, so I think it's true (now also genetically speaking).

Unfortunately they couldn't predict my Y-DNA or mtDNA because there's not enough information in my DNA file for that.

Did you use 23andme or MH raw data?

[Zoro]

Alright I did it. I have to say I'm surprised, but they really need to improve, basically everything is accurate except the Iberian and the over-represented Western European.

I'm not sure what to say. I mean, they detected around 4% Caucasian ancestry again, and around 2% East Asian so I can say that's true. They also detected large amounts of East-Central European and West-East Balkan (which is true again). The Italian can be actually Jewish in my case. Of course in my case it would be surprising if they actually detected even more Western European, when I practically have no ancestry from there.

So far all these companies take a huge sh*t on Myheritage :dancingpoop: and they all did much better for me xD xD the irony

European 93.7%
Asian 6.3%

https://i.imgur.com/SIirM4h.png

https://i.imgur.com/eY6NoML.png

https://i.imgur.com/DeA8l54.png

https://i.imgur.com/H6rIMiS.png

https://i.imgur.com/qQAm1o4.png

https://i.imgur.com/Qfjvpss.png

https://i.imgur.com/fVbia3w.png

Looks pretty good. The Iberian I think is very old EEF related ancestry. NW European may be bronze or iron age related. E Asian Hun or Turkic related

[Zoro]

In your case, I think it's clear that you have genuine east asian ancestry.

We also have it for sure, and in a higher amount than him but it’s hidden under our 40-50% Central Asian and N Asian (Siberian) because if you check the references for those components they’re very E Asian admixed

[Slavic Italian]

I gave them a chance because usually I appear as crtitic of most of such websites on every forum, so I want to change my mind:) Anyway I should be critic still... I'm ashamed I wasted money on it. But I tried.


Atlantic Facade!



Damn you. I paid for this garbage.

[Zoro]

Damn you. I paid for this garbage.

That’s not fair because the results posted here especially those who used their newer 23andme V5 data and the 2020 FTDNA & MyHeritage data seem better than results from other companies and Gedmatch.

You probably have older data which only overlaps 150k out of 700k with their chip but I’d still be curious to see your results

[JerryS.]

Too bad you didn’t use your V5 data as accuracy would have been significantly higher reason being that Ancestrydna along with older FTDNA and 23andme V3.V4 use older Illumina OmniExpress array which only has about 150K SNPs overlapping with the new GSA array these people and V5 uses.

The older OmniExpress was good for Europeans but the GSA is good for Europeans Asians and Africans.

I've been told (by a few people) that Ancestry raw data review was around 150,000 SNPs while 23/me only does around 55.000 SNPs, which is why GEDmatch data is generally better with Ancestry over 23/me and the general results are more accurate.

[Zoro]

I've been told (by a few people) that Ancestry raw data review was around 150,000 SNPs while 23/me only does around 55.000 SNPs, which is why GEDmatch data is generally better with Ancestry over 23/me and the general results are more accurate.

Gedmatch is one thing and ADNTRO is very different. Gedmatch calculators were designed around Ancestrydna, older 23andme V3/V4, and older FTDNA data, therefore yes you'll get more overlapping SNPs with Gedmatch using your Ancestrydna data which uses the older OmniExpress chip than using your newer 23andme V5 data.

ADNTRO though uses the the newer and better GSA chip that V5 uses so with ADNTRO you'll get 700,000 overlapping SNPs if you use your V5 data but only 150,000 overlapping SNPs if you use Ancestrydna or older 23andme or older FTDNA data.

That's the reason users using V5 data get more accurate results with ADNTRO and you can see that with the 2 related kurdish samples I posted. The one using V5 had more accurate results than the one using V4

[JerryS.]

Gedmatch is one thing and ADNTRO is very different. Gedmatch calculators were designed around Ancestrydna, older 23andme V3/V4, and older FTDNA data, therefore yes you'll get more overlapping SNPs with Gedmatch using your Ancestrydna data which uses the older OmniExpress chip than using your newer 23andme V5 data.

ADNTRO though uses the the newer and better GSA chip that V5 uses so with ADNTRO you'll get 700,000 overlapping SNPs if you use your V5 data but only 150,000 overlapping SNPs if you use Ancestrydna or older 23andme or older FTDNA data.

That's the reason users using V5 data get more accurate results with ADNTRO and you can see that with the 2 related kurdish samples I posted. The one using V5 had more accurate results than the one using V4

I'm skeptical because that sort of implies that the new 23 and me data is already gonna reflect what this new company will show. The product than I got from them using the ancestory data looks very similar to the 23 and me data product. If this product works best with 23 and me new data, It would seem to imply that 23 and me is good for nothing except for a raw data file.

[JerryS.]

Just because I Had to scratch that itch I sent in my new 23 and me data. The results are a bit off from what I got using my ancestory data. I'm doing this from my phone so bear with me.

[JerryS.]

Here are some of the ancestory data atta results using this... Again I'm doing this from my phone and I am at work and the uploads don't show a picture so summer to placated I apologize for that but I think this shows how raw data is interpreted differently. They've danced all around with my Northwest European, My Southern European goes from the balkans to Iberia to Italy all over. One shows no African at all-in-one shows 2 separate categories though very minor.

[JerryS.]

In my opinion the bottom line for people who are regionally mixed such as myself this is a bunch of bunk. If you are more homogenous you will probably get far better results.

[Zoro]

Just because I Had to scratch that itch I sent in my new 23 and me data. The results are a bit off from what I got using my ancestory data. I'm doing this from my phone so bear with me.

Can you post your NW European and your ethnicity match barplot for both your data

[JerryS.]

These?

[JerryS.]

Can you post your NW European and your ethnicity match barplot for both your data

I posted the NW European chart from both like you wanted. I'm waiting for my southern groups to change on the 23/me data. The Ancestry data changed from bulk Italian to bulk Iberian. I wonder what if any changes will occur with the 23/me data? still with the high number they are giving me for Scandinavia and Eastern Europe you'd think they could say Norway and Poland or something.... of course they give me similar number for Southern Europe and have bounced around from one peninsula to the other so far so its just as well.

[Zoro]

I posted the NW European chart from both like you wanted. I'm waiting for my southern groups to change on the 23/me data. The Ancestry data changed from bulk Italian to bulk Iberian. I wonder what if any changes will occur with the 23/me data? still with the high number they are giving me for Scandinavia and Eastern Europe you'd think they could say Norway and Poland or something.... of course they give me similar number for Southern Europe and have bounced around from one peninsula to the other so far so its just as well.

This is what you posted so far. I didn't see the Asian breakdown for V5. Can you post that

Also can you confirm the table is correct

Also Americans are mixed Europeans do you have any idea what parts of Europe your ancestors are from


<colgroup width="178"></colgroup> <colgroup width="109"></colgroup> <colgroup width="121"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
AncestryDNA
23andMe V5


NW European
68.0%
53.6%


British
17.6%
36.4%


French & German
36.4%
8.7%


Scandinavian
14.1%
8.1%







S European
15.0%
22.9%


E Balkan
0.0%
11.5%


Iberian
12.5%
9.4%


Italian
0.0%
2.0%


Greek & W Balkan
2.5%
0.0%







C & E European
12.1%
17.3%







N African
0.0%
0.9%


SSA
0.0%
0.6%







W Asian
3.3%



C Asian
1.6%



S Asian
0.0%



Siberian
0.0%


</tbody>
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[JerryS.]

23,me Asian table.

[JerryS.]

Some Original Ancestry tables. See how the British Irish western French north Iberian table has been renamed....

[JerryS.]

This is what you posted so far. I didn't see the Asian breakdown for V5. Can you post that

Also can you confirm the table is correct

Also Americans are mixed Europeans do you have any idea what parts of Europe your ancestors are from



Yes, I have confirmed paper trails of Scottish (Scotch-Irish) North German, colonial American English, and South Italian. There is suspect North Italian based solely on a surname that could be misspelled. This calculator needs some work. The bulk Italian I initially had was later changed to Iberian as you can see here. Also the complete absence of east Balkan in one and a large amount later assigned.

[Zoro]

Yes, I have confirmed paper trails of Scottish (Scotch-Irish) North German, colonial American English, and South Italian. There is suspect North Italian based solely on a surname that could be misspelled. This calculator needs some work. The bulk Italian I initially had was later changed to Iberian as you can see here. Also the complete absence of east Balkan in one and a large amount later assigned.

This is based on what you posted. Can you also post "Your ancestors in current countries" also for both Ancestrydna and 23andme.


<colgroup width="178"></colgroup> <colgroup width="109"></colgroup> <colgroup width="121"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
AncestryDNA
23andMe V5


NW European
68.0%
53.6%


British
17.6%
36.4%


French & German
36.4%
8.7%


Scandinavian
14.1%
8.1%







S European
15.0%
22.9%


E Balkan
0.0%
11.5%


Iberian
12.5%
9.4%


Italian
0.0%
2.0%


Greek & W Balkan
2.5%
0.0%







C & E European
12.1%
17.3%







N African
0.0%
0.9%


SSA
0.0%
0.6%







W Asian
3.3%
2.5%


C Asian
1.6%
1.3%


S Asian
0.0%
1.0%


Siberian
0.0%
0.0%

</tbody>
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[JerryS.]

This is based on what you posted. Can you also post "Your ancestors in current countries" also for both Ancestrydna and 23andme.


<colgroup width="178"></colgroup> <colgroup width="109"></colgroup> <colgroup width="121"></colgroup> <tbody>
Population
AncestryDNA
23andMe V5


NW European
68.0%
53.6%


British
17.6%
36.4%


French & German
36.4%
8.7%


Scandinavian
14.1%
8.1%







S European
15.0%
22.9%


E Balkan
0.0%
11.5%


Iberian
12.5%
9.4%


Italian
0.0%
2.0%


Greek & W Balkan
2.5%
0.0%







C & E European
12.1%
17.3%







N African
0.0%
0.9%


SSA
0.0%
0.6%







W Asian
3.3%
2.5%


C Asian
1.6%
1.3%


S Asian
0.0%
1.0%


Siberian
0.0%
0.0%

</tbody>
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I don't understand what you're trying to get at my ancestors living in Timbuktu or Katmandu have no bearing on anything really. The majority of my ancestors, including me, live in the United States but their map doesn't show anything from here. Also do you have a guess as to why the ancestory data showed bulk Italian that got changed to bulk Iberian? And why Ancestry data shows absolutely no east Balkan but 23.me shows it significantly? No other Data that I produce for you from these 2 readings is going to change my opinion nor anyone else's that this company or its calculating methods need some work. Someone initially made a comment about how the German sample includes a lot of Baltic and Slavic traces. For me that's not gonna work because my German comes from close to the Dutch border actually I think it is on the Dutch border it's lower saxony I have no other information about my German ancestry coming from anywhere else but lower saxony Bremen to be specific. So I think the German sample is not gonna be very good. Clearly it's mixed in with French for some reason am I English and Scottish which should account for at the very minimum 50% of my ancestor I only shows up as 17% give or take. I have no recent scandinavian ancestory so maybe this is just going way back to when maybe my Scottish or English ancestors over a 1000 years ago maybe had scandinavian ancestry I don't know. My Southern ancestry is all over the mediterranean from these 2 calculations. I will admit that the 23 and me values did show the North African that I normally get and the East African that I occasion only get if that sub Sahara is Somalia.

[JerryS.]

since no one else that is regionally mixed is getting accurate results, I think this should just die on the vine until they do some refinement with their calculations/population groups. more homogenous people might fair better.

[RyoHazuki]

:eek:

https://i.imgur.com/GOuG772.png

Galician!!!

https://i.imgur.com/rRHOrWX.png

Haplotypes corrects,but they haven't gone very far.

https://i.imgur.com/ytxTSjK.png

Neandertal/Denisovan...this i don't think is very accurate to track.

https://i.imgur.com/i6QJONM.png

I guessed that as a mixed individual North/South Iberian peninsula, it should not be easy to attribute a precise origin within Iberian peninsula, but this result is the most different of all that I have got.

Anyway, it is a new company, and it is assumed that they will improve their databases and their estimations (as long as they continue to exist).

It seems many will get Eastern Europe even without recent ancestry from there.

[Pine]

since no one else that is regionally mixed is getting accurate results, I think this should just die on the vine until they do some refinement with their calculations/population groups. more homogenous people might fair better.

I've seen it do a reasonable job for Jews and they'r regionally mixed.

[JerryS.]

It seems many will get Eastern Europe even without recent ancestry from there.

Yes that seems to be a problem in my opinion just one of them anyway. They can't nail down my Southern ancestory nor can they nail down my Northwestern ancestory. Add to that how the categories changed with my original results and I have to wonder what calculated method they are using how did Italian turn into Iberian.... The Company is based in Spain so maybe there is some sort of unitentional bias in their calculating methods. Of course that doesn't explain the generous dose of Eastern European that almost everybody gets regardless of having that ancestory or not.

[gixajo]

Yes that seems to be a problem in my opinion just one of them anyway. They can't nail down my Southern ancestory nor can they nail down my Northwestern ancestory. Add to that how the categories changed with my original results and I have to wonder what calculated method they are using how did Italian turn into Iberian.... The Company is based in Spain so maybe there is some sort of unitentional bias in their calculating methods. Of course that doesn't explain the generous dose of Eastern European that almost everybody gets regardless of having that ancestory or not.

Is based in Spain, but only 5/11 Spaniards and 1/11 from Argentina(Simón Puebla).2 of non-Spaniards are brothers (or cousins)
https://i.imgur.com/zCiMKdI.png

https://i.imgur.com/erEWefR.png

The president of the company is Spanish(Guillermo Pérez-Solero Monzón), and has not any academic formation in genetics or anything related with biology:


Broad international experience leading teams in developing the strategy behind a client's new market-entry, product launch, or reorganization and presenting that strategy to the client's executive leadership, advocating for the right set of actions to implement.

12 years of consulting experience at Bain & Company with broad international exposure, extensive experience with Private Equity - Commercial Due Diligence – Retail & Consumer products

Countries with case projects above 6+ months: South Africa, India, Brazil, Chile, Australia, Netherlands...

Passionate of Mathematics & Life Sciences

Founder ADNTRO.COM / ADNTRO.es
Partner at Blue Morgan Ventures
Partner at Duck Store (Barcelona, Sevilla, San Sebastian)

[JerryS.]

Can you share with us your ideas as to why the data is so different for the same person? yes, you explained some already, but the differences seem beyond that. Also why the initial Italian changed to Iberian, not just for me but others too? you seemed really supportive of this company at first, almost like a paid promoter for them. I'm interested in your opinions as to why they hit and then miss the mark for the same person, even when using the same raw data?

[MarlboroFS]

Mother kit

101678

[Peterski]

Their references are groupped by imbecile. This is why I removed my previous thread about this company when I was informed about it. I'm ashamed I created this thread...
This is why people got random values from other continents...

Let's see: Belarusian and Buriats in one group, Ukrainians and Selkups, Mordovians and Yakuts, Yizu and Indians, Tajiks and Mongols, Baloch and Bengali, and many more....
Oh and Turks in Caucasus group but Armenian in Anatolian.

I've heard Primate Jones is responsible for their reference populations.

[Lucas]

I've heard Primate Jones is responsible for their reference populations.

lol, him?:) https://twitter.com/primatej

[Lucas]

No update for me in ethnicity estimate.

[JerryS.]

No update for me in ethnicity estimate.

Mine hasn't changed in a while either. The initial report changed about a day or two later and how they referenced certain regions however nothing has changed since and I'm thinking that they have played all of their cards I don't expect anything different from them with what I've already sent in.

[Lucas]

Mine hasn't changed in a while either. The initial report changed about a day or two later and how they referenced certain regions however nothing has changed since and I'm thinking that they have played all of their cards I don't expect anything different from them with what I've already sent in.

They updated western Europeans as those users complained the most on forum here and there:) I don't know any other user from Poland for example, who ordered it.

[Lucas]

I hope they changed reference clusters which were posted here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329340-ADNTRO-New-DNA-testing-company&p=6830542&viewfull=1#post6830542
Their single references are standard, probably not different then what is used by dna.land for example. But their clusters are bad. Merging Belarussians and Buryats (just one striking example, check linked post for more) in one cluster was insane.

[Chris596]

Nothing has changed for me, except that I got 0.03% Sub-Saharan African (it says Southern East African) lol.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Nothing has changed for me, except that I got 0.03% Sub-Saharan African (it says Southern East African) lol.

I don't even want to bother with this after I saw your results - they would probably be strongly similar to my MyHeritage , especially since they put some strong Iberian on me and they did it on you too.

Also why the hell is Greek coupled with West Balkan and not East Balkan, when everything we know about East-West Balkan differences point to East coupling better with Greek.

[JerryS.]

They updated western Europeans as those users complained the most on forum here and there:) I don't know any other user from Poland for example, who ordered it.
They have my Northwest groups scattered around they give me large portion of Scandinavian and a large portion of Eastern European it turns out that they consider Germany central European not Western. My Southern group is split between Iberian and Balkan. They have some fine tuning to do after they do some rough tuning.

That said they say that because of the system that they use to decipher or decode the raw data that the 23 and me raw data is the best to use for accuracy purposes. I Uploaded ancestry and 23 and me and they both need work.

[Adamm]

Lumping North Africa and East Africa together, what a fucking joke this is.

https://i.imgur.com/rVgIwgR.png

[JerryS.]

I don't even want to bother with this after I saw your results - they would probably be strongly similar to my MyHeritage , especially since they put some strong Iberian on me and they did it on you too.

Also why the hell is Greek coupled with West Balkan and not East Balkan, when everything we know about East-West Balkan differences point to East coupling better with Greek.

Maybe mainland Greece is more east Balkan and island Greece is more west Balkan?

[Halgurd]

Haplogroups updated

[knez01]

There is a free offer on ADNTRO atm, ancestry patterns it is called, I uploaded earlier today and still waiting.

[noricum]

https://i.postimg.cc/ryf5r2Qg/adntro1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hh7Xk6F7)