Hunter-Farmer-Herder in Euro pop unscaled G25 post your result

[Folcwalding]

Davidski made a hunter vs farmer vs herder mixture model for present-day European populations.
(https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/07/ancient-ancestry-proportions-in-present.html)
I translate it into a G25 model.

Please use the unscaled coordinates

Source:
HUN_Koros_N_HG,0.0121,0.0123,0.0478,0.0478,0.0417, 0.0151,0.0064,0.0158,0.0352,0.0038,-0.0032,-0.009,0.0099,-0.0024,0.0211,0.0348,0.0141,0.0047,-0.0066,0.0366,0.049,0.0086,-0.033,-0.1033,0.0109
TUR_Barcin_N,0.0103318,0.0177364,0.0009364,-0.0313182,0.0165864,-0.01735,-0.0018545,-0.0030045,0.0177136,0.0443091,0.0049091,0.0079273,-0.0157773,0.0003409,-0.0309318,-0.0076864,0.0178773,0.0015682,0.0108955,-0.0077955,-0.0114,0.0046682,-0.0033455,-0.0026273,-0.0036273
Yamnaya_UKR,0.0105,0.0086,0.012,0.03425,-0.0092,0.01525,0.0036,-0.0015,-0.0255,-0.03885,0.00015,0.00295,-0.0029,-0.0147,0.0238,0.0081,-2e-04,-0.0091,-0.0044,0.0019,-0.00225,0.00035,-0.0076,0.016,0.0026

Basically it's most useful within Euro populations.

Please post your result.

'Ours' (mour is dialect for mother, voar for father)

https://www.mupload.nl/img/g7uwpv9j.44.40.png

[J. Ketch]

Target: Creoda
Distance: 3.6342% / 0.03634238
58.0 Yamnaya_UKR
34.4 TUR_Barcin_N
7.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: CreodaMum
Distance: 2.3416% / 0.02341568
55.4 Yamnaya_UKR
34.6 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: CreodaDad
Distance: 3.8905% / 0.03890480
58.6 Yamnaya_UKR
33.0 TUR_Barcin_N
8.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Kaspias]

I do need one more component for East Eurasian.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.1615% / 0.02161519
45.2 Yamnaya_UKR
44.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.8 MNG_North_N

[Jana]

Why Yamnaya and not Sredny Stog is used for steppe? Yamnaya did not contribute to majority of Europeans.
I'll post my results in a minute.

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.7393% / 0.02739284

43.2 Yamnaya_UKR
42.8 TUR_Barcin_N
14.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Jana]

My man's results

Target: Stears
Distance: 2.6128% / 0.02612782

52.0 Yamnaya_UKR
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[J. Ketch]

Yes, Southern/Eastern Europeans will need more components.

[dimadoe]

My dad (mostly Russian)

Target: dad_unscaled
Distance: 3.9903% / 0.03990308
56.0 Yamnaya_UKR
32.6 TUR_Barcin_N
11.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Me (Russian + 1/8th Jewish)

Target: me_unscaled
Distance: 3.9462% / 0.03946193
48.6 Yamnaya_UKR
38.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Folcwalding]

Yes, Southern/Eastern Europeans will need more components.

I want to keep it simple, may be for the east this component:

RUS_Baikal_BA:GLZ003,0.0034,-0.0363,0.026,0.0062,-0.0347,-0.015,0.0007,0.0027,0.0048,-0.0042,0.0039,-0.001,0.0024,-0.0177,-0.0032,-0.0047,-0.0066,-0.0014,0.0056,0.0147,-0.026,0.0092,-0.0028,-0.0053,-0.0029

[Folcwalding]

Why Yamnaya and not Sredny Stog is used for steppe? Yamnaya did not contribute to majority of Europeans.
I'll post my results in a minute.

This is what Davidski said about it:

For instance, UKR_Yamnaya generally produced much stronger statistical fits than a very similar set of Yamnaya samples from the Caspian steppe (more precisely, from the Samara region in Russia). However, this might well be an artifact, due to very specific characteristics of these few ancient individuals. Larger sample sets would be welcome, especially from Yamnaya sites in Ukraine.

For everyone level playing field in this model.

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_unscaled
Distance: 2.9328% / 0.02932837
59.4 Yamnaya_UKR
29.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[J. Ketch]

I want to keep it simple, may be for the east this component:

RUS_Baikal_BA:GLZ003,0.0034,-0.0363,0.026,0.0062,-0.0347,-0.015,0.0007,0.0027,0.0048,-0.0042,0.0039,-0.001,0.0024,-0.0177,-0.0032,-0.0047,-0.0066,-0.0014,0.0056,0.0147,-0.026,0.0092,-0.0028,-0.0053,-0.0029
I would also add ancient Levant, North African, and Mongoloid components like here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329264-July-2020-latest-Eurogenes-G25-model

[Folcwalding]

I would also add ancient Levant, North African, and Mongoloid components like here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329264-July-2020-latest-Eurogenes-G25-model

No no thanks I like to keep it simple, the aim is at least to show some difference and some movements in the NW population, hopefully also for other parts.

For now less is more ;)

On second thought we can enlarge it, but not now please.....

[Aren]

Why Yamnaya and not Sredny Stog is used for steppe? Yamnaya did not contribute to majority of Europeans.
I'll post my results in a minute.

Or rather early Corded Ware.

[Coastal Elite]

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 2.1114% / 0.02111430
50.6 Yamnaya_UKR
45.8 TUR_Barcin_N
3.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Mom

Target: Daco_mom
Distance: 3.3319% / 0.03331897
58.2 Yamnaya_UKR
34.4 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Albannach]

Target: Albannach
Distance: 3.5604% / 0.03560439
61.6 Yamnaya_UKR
31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
6.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[alnortedelsur]

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 3.4380% / 0.03437990
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
40.8 Yamnaya_UKR
7.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 3.4461% / 0.03446095 | ADC: 0.25x
52.8 TUR_Barcin_N
41.4 Yamnaya_UKR
5.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Distance to: Alnortedelsur
0.07370163 TUR_Barcin_N
0.08549004 Yamnaya_UKR
0.15946680 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Luso]

Target: Luso
Distance: 3.4928% / 0.03492802
55.0 TUR_Barcin_N
35.8 Yamnaya_UKR
9.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG


Target: Luso
Distance: 3.5013% / 0.03501346 | ADC: 0.25x
56.0 TUR_Barcin_N
36.2 Yamnaya_UKR
7.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Caballero]

Target: Caballero
Distance: 2.0465% / 0.02046506

58.8 TUR_Barcin_N
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop
Distance: 3.0331% / 0.03033144
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
34.6 Yamnaya_UKR
15.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Jana]

...

[Rocinante]

Distance: 2.1584% / 0.02158432
52.0 TUR_Barcin_N
36.6 Yamnaya_UKR
11.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

I don't think a distance above 2% using unscaled coords are that accurate, but this is my perception.

[Rocinante]

Target: Caballero
Distance: 2.0465% / 0.02046506

58.8 TUR_Barcin_N
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR

What a balanced result, my friend.

[Graham]

Target: Graham
Distance: 3.6722% / 0.03672224
59.4 Yamnaya_UKR
35.2 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Halgurd]

Not the best fit for me, but I guess the model isn’t intended for non-Europeans.

Target: Halgurd
Distance: 4.5802% / 0.04580248
56.0 Yamnaya_UKR
44.0 TUR_Barcin_N

[Chris596]

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.7432% / 0.02743249
47.4 TUR_Barcin_N
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR
11.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.8318% / 0.02831834
51.6 TUR_Barcin_N
35.2 Yamnaya_UKR
13.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 2.6765% / 0.02676548
57.8 TUR_Barcin_N
33.8 Yamnaya_UKR
8.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 3.4976% / 0.03497615
50.0 TUR_Barcin_N
37.6 Yamnaya_UKR
12.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier
Distance: 2.7755% / 0.02775500
50.6 TUR_Barcin_N
42.4 Yamnaya_UKR
7.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[gixajo]

[B]Target: Xabier...
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I doubt I have more HG than my mother.

[mitalit]

I doubt I have more HG than my mother.

A mi me da poco HG pero mucha estepa

[Rocinante]

A mi me da poco HG pero mucha estepa

Negro-Med

[mitalit]

Negro-Med

Para ser hondureño no esta nada mal, incluso algunos me dicen que para ser de Tegucigalpa estoy muy nothern-shifted

[gixajo]

A mi me da poco HG pero mucha estepa

Sí, lo ví, tienes una burrada de estepa, y eso que te suele dar bastante más que cualquiera siempre, no?

[Defcon2]

I doubt I have more HG than my mother.

A mi me da muy poco HG, parezco italiano, mis coordenadas sin escala son muy italianas.

Target: Juan
Distance: 3.1974% / 0.03197379
56.8 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_UKR
6.2 MAR_Taforalt
4.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Con escala:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.9752% / 0.04975230
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
6.2 MAR_Taforalt

[Rocinante]

Para ser hondureño no esta nada mal, incluso algunos me dicen que para ser de Tegucigalpa estoy muy nothern-shifted

Con tanta estepa no me extrañaría la verdad, para mí, tus resultados son algo average para Honduras, aunque algo northern shifted, si... Te la doy.

[mitalit]

Sí, lo ví, tienes una burrada de estepa, y eso que te suele dar bastante más que cualquiera siempre, no?

35-37 me suele dar y de HG 9-10

[gixajo]

Negro-Med

Se supone que esta referencia HG es equivalente a las de WHG o más bien es complementaria a otros EHG?mi Yamnaya es también superior, incluso usando Mar_Taforalt, Levantino y mongoloide junto con las referencias propuestas.

[RyoHazuki]

56.2 Yamnaya_UKR
37.2 TUR_Barcin_N
6.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Rocinante]

Se supone que esta referencia HG es equivalente a las de WHG o más bien es complementaria a otros EHG?mi Yamnaya es también superior, incluso usando Mar_Taforalt, Levantino y mongoloide junto con las referencias propuestas.

Este HG es un cazador-recoletor del Neolítico, ya mezclado con EHG y con primeras oleadas de agricultores provenientes de Anatolia. Evidentemente la mayor carga que tiene es cromañon (WHG), pero no puro. Lo mismo con este Yamnaya, ya mezclado con agricultores de Anatolia. Con las muestras de estepa hay que tener cuidado cual coger, por los momentos el mejor es el promedio de Samara.

[Ion Basescul]

Thanks

Target: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA_unscaled
Distance: 2.7847% / 0.02784740
46.4 TUR_Barcin_N
46.2 Yamnaya_UKR
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG


Target: Ion_Basescul_brother_i_MyHeritage_unscaled
Distance: 2.9099% / 0.02909947
47.8 Yamnaya_UKR
44.8 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG


Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_i_MyHeritage_unscaled
Distance: 2.9970% / 0.02996971
45.2 TUR_Barcin_N
43.8 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG


Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_i_MyHeritage_unscaled
Distance: 2.8061% / 0.02806073
50.6 Yamnaya_UKR
42.2 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[gixajo]

A mi me da muy poco HG, parezco italiano, mis coordenadas sin escala son muy italianas.

Target: Juan
Distance: 3.1974% / 0.03197379
56.8 TUR_Barcin_N
32.6 Yamnaya_UKR
6.2 MAR_Taforalt
4.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Con escala:

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.9752% / 0.04975230
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
29.6 Yamnaya_UKR
11.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
6.2 MAR_Taforalt

Los resultados con Mar_Taforalt, Natufian y Mongoloide:

Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.6201% / 0.02620051
48.4 TUR_Barcin_N
35.2 Yamnaya_UKR
12.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Levant_Natufian
0.4 MNG_North_N

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 2.4512% / 0.02451246
55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
33.6 Yamnaya_UKR
8.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 MNG_North_N

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 3.3298% / 0.03329800
47.0 TUR_Barcin_N
37.6 Yamnaya_UKR
12.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
2.6 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Levant_Natufian
0.2 MNG_North_N

[Rædwald]

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.7297% / 0.18729704 | ADC: 1x
67.4 Yamnaya_UKR
22.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.4948% / 0.18494765 | ADC: 0.5x
51.4 Yamnaya_UKR
27.2 TUR_Barcin_N
21.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.4800% / 0.18479987 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 Yamnaya_UKR
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
24.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Freeroostah]

Target: VangosH
Distance: 3.1466% / 0.03146558
57.4 TUR_Barcin_N
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR
1.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[J. Ketch]

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.7297% / 0.18729704 | ADC: 1x
67.4 Yamnaya_UKR
22.8 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.4948% / 0.18494765 | ADC: 0.5x
51.4 Yamnaya_UKR
27.2 TUR_Barcin_N
21.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 18.4800% / 0.18479987 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 Yamnaya_UKR
28.4 TUR_Barcin_N
24.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
The coordinates in the OP are unscaled, you're getting a high distance because you've used your scaled coordinates.

[Folcwalding]

The coordinates in the OP are unscaled, you're getting a high distance because you've used your scaled coordinates.

Thanks Creoda, the 'extreme' result, already surprised me!

Some North European averages:

https://www.mupload.nl/img/z7mqu5jv.06.48.png

[yowasgeht]

Target: RF
Distance: 2.5653% / 0.02565308
52.8 Yamnaya_UKR
39.8 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Folcwalding]

Target: RF
Distance: 2.5653% / 0.02565308
52.8 Yamnaya_UKR
39.8 TUR_Barcin_N
7.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Ah nice a mennonite, the 'proband' of my family belonged to the mennonites, to the Ucko Wallist:
https://gameo.org/index.php?title=Uckowallists

[Folcwalding]

Based on this model a analysis of N(W) Europe.

I guess the crucial point is that throughout NW Europe we see two main types of genetic profiles.

I based this on the hunter vs. farmer vs herder model of Davidski (G25 unscaled).

'West' profile is highly Herder/Steppe about 58-59% in this model, Hunter is about 8% and the Farmer is 32-33%.

'East' profile highly Hunter about 12%, Farmer about 32-33% and the Herder is max 57%.


In fact we stand in this respect on the shoulders of our LNBA ancestors, in that periode fused 'highly' Steppe Bell Beakers (rooted in Single Grave Culture) in Denmark, Northern Germany and North Dutch and Battle Axe in Sweden with neolithic funnel beaker groups in Scandinavia and the Northern Plain and even with some old HG groups.

The neolithic/ funnel beaker and annex groups have different levels of hunter vs farmer:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/grugfo44w9.07.23.png

The Bell Beakers and Battle Axe people have about 2/3 herder/steppe:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/e1jany.10.01.png

After the grand mix in LNBA, we see that England BA and IA in this respect doen't differ much form the Anglo-Saxons!
https://www.mupload.nl/img/8yk6bk0.18.16.png


IMO the reason the Anglo-Saxon are typical of the high Steppe 'West' profile as the Danes or Irish:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/a22ymr.19.52.png

But were there are high HG influences like the TRB in Northern Germany/ North Dutch or otherwise HG groups (Sweden/ Poland) we see the 'East' profile:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/1ipj6epq7f.22.13.png

[Aren]

Based on this model a analysis of N(W) Europe.

I guess the crucial point is that throughout NW Europe we see two main types of genetic profiles.

I based this on the hunter vs. farmer vs herder model of Davidski (G25 unscaled).

'West' profile is highly Herder/Steppe about 58-59% in this model, Hunter is about 8% and the Farmer is 32-33%.

'East' profile highly Hunter about 12%, Farmer about 32-33% and the Herder is max 57%.


In fact we stand in this respect on the shoulders of our LNBA ancestors, in that periode fused 'highly' Steppe Bell Beakers (rooted in Single Grave Culture) in Denmark, Northern Germany and North Dutch and Battle Axe in Sweden with neolithic funnel beaker groups in Scandinavia and the Northern Plain and even with some old HG groups.

The neolithic/ funnel beaker and annex groups have different levels of hunter vs farmer:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/grugfo44w9.07.23.png

The Bell Beakers and Battle Axe people have about 2/3 herder/steppe:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/e1jany.10.01.png

After the grand mix in LNBA, we see that England BA and IA in this respect doen't differ much form the Anglo-Saxons!
https://www.mupload.nl/img/8yk6bk0.18.16.png


IMO the reason the Anglo-Saxon are typical of the high Steppe 'West' profile as the Danes or Irish:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/a22ymr.19.52.png

But were there are high HG influences like the TRB in Northern Germany/ North Dutch or otherwise HG groups (Sweden/ Poland) we see the 'East' profile:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/1ipj6epq7f.22.13.png

Not really, that doesn't explain why Danes and Norwegians score low HG.
Swedes score high HG cause of recent Finnish admixture. This run is kinda garbage tbh for anyone with Eastern or Southern European ancestry.

[Folcwalding]

Not really, that doesn't explain why Danes and Norwegians score low HG.
Swedes score high HG cause of recent Finnish admixture. This run is kinda garbage tbh for anyone with Eastern or Southern European ancestry.

Don't think that explains it for Sweden, PWC groups are the more likely candidate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer

[Folcwalding]

Our results indicate that two different cultural complexes, TRB and PWC, coexisted on the island of Gotland for half a millennia with different cultural affiliations and subsistence strategies. Further multi-disciplinary analyses of TRB megalithic burials in different geographic regions across northern mainland Europe and Scandinavia will help to clarify local and regional differences in the TRB culture.

(PDF) New insights on cultural dualism and population structure in the Middle Neolithic Funnel Beaker culture on the island of Gotland. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322864532_New_insights_on_cultural_dualism_and_pop ulation_structure_in_the_Middle_Neolithic_Funnel_B eaker_culture_on_the_island_of_Gotland [accessed Aug 11 2020].

[Aren]

Don't think that explains it for Sweden, PWC groups are the more likely candidate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer

Ehh Finnish admixture in Eastern and Northern Sweden is widely accepted and there's no aruging about that(Siberian admixture, a lot of recently shared N1c markers with Finns + immense amount of historical records regarding Finnish settlements in Sweden proper and so on).
Besides PWC was present in Denmark and Southern Sweden too but they don't show this elevated HG. Also where is this PWC admixture in Swedish Battle Axe samples? All of them were from areas very close to the coast, near PWC settlements.

I think these Blatterhole farmers are just outliers, they were buried if I remember alongside a pure HG which might explain it.

[Folcwalding]

Ehh Finnish admixture in Eastern and Northern Sweden is widely accepted and there's no aruging about that(Siberian admixture, a lot of recently shared N1c markers with Finns + immense amount of historical records regarding Finnish settlements in Sweden proper and so on).
Besides PWC was present in Denmark and Southern Sweden too but they don't show this elevated HG. Also where is this PWC admixture in Swedish Battle Axe samples? All of them were from areas very close to the coast, near PWC settlements.

I think these Blatterhole farmers are just outliers, they were buried if I remember alongside a pure HG which might explain it.

The hybridization occurred during LNBA, not during Battle Axe. See the work of Kristian Kristiansen.
This doesn't rule out (later on) Finnish influence but I guess it's not a matter of or (but may be and).
The TRB horizon in Northern Germany and North Dutch was high in hunter, but not due to Finnish influence.

[Aren]

The hybridization occurred during LNBA, not during Battle Axe. See the work of Kristian Kristiansen.
This doesn't rule out (later on) Finnish influence but I guess it's not a matter of or (but may be and).
The TRB horizon in Northern Germany and North Dutch was high in hunter, but not due to Finnish influence.

So you think this elevated HG admixture has stayed intact in Northern Dutch but not other Dutchmen since the Bronze Age? That's absurd. Oh and not just any Northern Dutch cause your father doesn't show it.
Regarding it's existence in Sweden, it's not elevated WHG like we see in Blatterhole or Swedish TRB but something further east. Since we have no HG from the Baltics in this particular run it's forced into Koros_HG

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 3.1433% / 0.03143296
55.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
3.2 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN
0.0 Baltic_LTU_Narva

Target: Swedish
Distance: 3.1742% / 0.03174179
54.2 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
4.6 Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.0 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN

[Folcwalding]

So you think this elevated HG admixture has stayed intact in Northern Dutch but not other Dutchmen since the Bronze Age? That's absurd. Oh and not just any Northern Dutch cause your father doesn't show it.
Regarding it's existence in Sweden, it's not elevated WHG like we see in Blatterhole or Swedish TRB but something further east. Since we have no HG from the Baltics in this particular run it's forced into Koros_HG

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 3.1433% / 0.03143296
55.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
3.2 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN
0.0 Baltic_LTU_Narva

Target: Swedish
Distance: 3.1742% / 0.03174179
54.2 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
4.6 Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.0 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN

There is some regional differentiation indeed, because see Finn Mom and Dutch average and here HG amount is 5% above average. She has only ancestry from the funnel beaker hotspot of the Netherlands. A small specific area. Nowadays Unesco geopark:
https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2017/03/the-hondsrug-unesco-global-geopark-an-introduction/
My father's HG is above average 10 in stead of average 8. He is more in the Danish/Anglo-Saxon kind of range.

[Aren]

There is some regional differentiation indeed, because see Finn Mom and Dutch average and here HG amount is 5% above average. She has only ancestry from the funnel beaker hotspot of the Netherlands. A small specific area. Nowadays Unesco geopark:
https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/2017/03/the-hondsrug-unesco-global-geopark-an-introduction/
My father's HG is above average 10 in stead of average 8. He is more in the Danish/Anglo-Saxon kind of range.

I think you are looking too much into it. I am sure there are other Dutchmen, not from a TRB "hotspot" who will score similar to your mother. Her results look totally normal, well within the modern variation. AuDNA is far from perfected, we can't attribute some percentages here and there as actual heritage from a specific ancient population, especially when we compare to other people within the same ethnicity/area.

[Folcwalding]

I think you are looking too much into it. I am sure there are other Dutchmen, not from a TRB "hotspot" who will score similar to your mother. Her results look totally normal, well within the modern variation. AuDNA is far from perfected, we can't attribute some percentages here and there as actual heritage from a specific ancient population, especially when we compare to other people within the same ethnicity/area.

Could be but that doesn't change the fact she has about 13% in stead of the average 8% in Dutch and also the fact she has only known ancestry from this small Funnelbeaker specific area. So a touch a Funnelbeaker is not weird at all. And of course she a modern varation it's not beam me up Funnelbeaker ;)

I threw it in the unscaled G25:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/clhn39t.59.42.png

[andre]

Target: Andrei
Distance: 3.3837% / 0.03383711
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
43.6 Yamnaya_UKR
3.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[paradox]

Target: unscaled
Distance: 2.5484% / 0.02548371
54.2TUR_Barcin_N
42.0Yamnaya_UKR
3.8HUN_Koros_N_HG


My father

Target: Father_unscaled
Distance: 3.1953% / 0.03195303
51.4TUR_Barcin_N
46.0Yamnaya_UKR
2.6HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Adamg]

Target: adamg
Distance: 18.3638% / 0.18363773
52.4 Yamnaya_UKR
25.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
22.2 TUR_Barcin_N

[calxpal]

Distance to: cpal
0.06671610 Yamnaya_UKR
0.08596248 TUR_Barcin_N
0.15629798 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: cpal
Distance: 2.5910% / 0.02591027
52.8 Yamnaya_UKR
40.0 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Maguzanci]

I did some for Uralics. Look at how very low EEF/Neolithic they have. At the same time, they have from 27 to 32% Mongoloid admixture (MNG_North_N is also an East Asian component. I added it as give slightly better fit for the Mari)

Distance to: Saami
0.16866351 Yamnaya_UKR
0.29174462 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.33737126 TUR_Barcin_N
0.37928286 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.45025089 MNG_North_N

Target: Saami
Distance: 6.1633% / 0.06163293
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR
28.2 RUS_Baikal_BA
23.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
7.0 TUR_Barcin_N

Distance to: Udmurt
0.15111762 Yamnaya_UKR
0.32576844 TUR_Barcin_N
0.32851530 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.37368571 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.44721591 MNG_North_N

Target: Udmurt
Distance: 5.3687% / 0.05368727
53.2 Yamnaya_UKR
27.2 RUS_Baikal_BA
11.4 TUR_Barcin_N
8.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Distance to: Mari
0.20715025 Yamnaya_UKR
0.35137273 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.35723009 TUR_Barcin_N
0.36032977 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.42723239 MNG_North_N

Target: Mari
Distance: 11.6256% / 0.11625641
48.2 Yamnaya_UKR
19.4 RUS_Baikal_BA
12.2 MNG_North_N
11.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
9.0 TUR_Barcin_N

Most Mongoloid-shifted Saami individual:

Distance to: Saami:GS000035025
0.18947242 Yamnaya_UKR
0.31145848 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.35505850 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.36096240 TUR_Barcin_N
0.42847065 MNG_North_N

Target: Saami:GS000035025 (Only 3% Neolithic :O but Koros_HG and UKR_Yamnaya seem to have some hidden EEF affinities, so probably more than 3% Neolithic).
Distance: 7.0845% / 0.07084465
40.8 Yamnaya_UKR
33.0 RUS_Baikal_BA
23.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.2 TUR_Barcin_N

Most Mongoloid shifted Udmurt sample:

Distance to: Udmurt:udmurd8
0.17114743 Yamnaya_UKR
0.33729069 TUR_Barcin_N
0.34598825 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.35292267 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.42741151 MNG_North_N

Target: Udmurt:udmurd8
Distance: 5.9567% / 0.05956729
51.0 Yamnaya_UKR
31.4 RUS_Baikal_BA
11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
6.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Most Mongoloid shifted Mari individual:

Distance to: Mari:mari1
0.21286007 Yamnaya_UKR
0.35114339 RUS_Baikal_BA
0.35789812 HUN_Koros_N_HG
0.36391588 TUR_Barcin_N
0.41925011 MNG_North_N

Target: Mari:mari1
Distance: 11.5828% / 0.11582774
46.8 Yamnaya_UKR
26.0 RUS_Baikal_BA
10.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG
8.6 TUR_Barcin_N
8.0 MNG_North_N

Isn't something fishy that the Saamis who live geographically much closer to mainstream areas of Europe has less Neolithic than the Udmurt and Mari who live faraway in peripheral areas?

[JamesBond007]

Target: Kevin
Distance: 3.0705% / 0.03070476
56.0 Yamnaya_UKR
34.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I am truly balanced European.

Target: Insert
Distance: 2.5666% / 0.02566586
49.4 TUR_Barcin_N
44.2 Yamnaya_UKR
6.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[IrisSelene]

Distanceto:IrisSelene

0.07548164Yamnaya_UKR
0.07887908TUR_Barcin_N
0.16093682HUN_Koros_N_HG


Distance: 2.9736% / 0.02973636
Target: IrisSelene
48.2Yamnaya_UKR
46.8TUR_Barcin_N
5.0HUN_Koros_N_HG


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[IrisSelene]

Why does everyone else get more Hun than me? Excuse me, i dont think that makes sense lol

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[WeirdLookingFellow]

Why does everyone else get more Hun than me? Excuse me, i dont think that makes sense lol

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The HUN is not related to Hungary other than geographically, it's just a presumably pure Hunter-Gatherer sample.

Neither is TUR or UKR related to the samples other than geographically.

[MandM]

Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.3816% / 0.02381598 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 TUR_Barcin_N
45.6 Yamnaya_UKR
4.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Milenko
Distance: 2.3638% / 0.02363790 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.0 TUR_Barcin_N
43.4 Yamnaya_UKR
3.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG
3.8 RUS_Baikal_BA

[lacreme]

Target: Caballero
Distance: 2.0465% / 0.02046506

58.8 TUR_Barcin_N
41.2 Yamnaya_UKR

My Greek friend scores almost the same, also no hunter gatherer at all too

Distance: 1.9063% / 0.01906274
Target: Chris
59.4 TUR_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_UKR

[IrisSelene]

The HUN is not related to Hungary other than geographically, it's just a presumably pure Hunter-Gatherer sample.

Neither is TUR or UKR related to the samples other than geographically.Okay, i was weirded out lol

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[IceQueen]

Distance: 3.7011% / 0.03701051
Target: IceQueen
59.8 Yamnaya_UKR
30.2 TUR_Barcin_N
10.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Kenshiro]

Target: Kenshiro
Distance: 1.7462% / 0.01746230
59.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.4 Yamnaya_UKR
1.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG
Quite good fit i think

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
0.06472424 Yamnaya_UKR
0.09528079 TUR_Barcin_N
0.16028278 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.5279% / 0.03527911
58.8 Yamnaya_UKR
35.6 TUR_Barcin_N
5.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Katarzyna]

Target: Katarzyna(unscaled)
Distance: 3.7747% / 0.03774717
54.4 Yamnaya_UKR
32.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[Kess]

Target: Kess_unscaled
Distance: 3.4266% / 0.03426560
55.4 Yamnaya_UKR
44.6 TUR_Barcin_N

[noricum]

Target: G25unoricum
Distance: 3.5741% / 0.03574053
49.8 Yamnaya_UKR
42.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.6 HUN_Koros_N_HG

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Brad.Ancestry_UNscaled
Distance: 2.9395% / 0.02939502
58.6 Yamnaya_UKR
33.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.8 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: Brad.23andMe_UNscaled
Distance: 3.3667% / 0.03366704
60.2 Yamnaya_UKR
33.6 TUR_Barcin_N
6.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG