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Scandal
08-09-2020, 05:19 PM
I don't know much about history of estonian people but they seem genetically German/Germanic admixed
Estonian avarage on Vahaduo k13:

Target: Estonian
Distance: 1.0089% / 1.00887471
48.0 Latvian
39.6 Southwest_Finnish
4.8 North-Swedish
4.4 Finnish
2.6 East_Finnish
0.4 French_Basque
0.2 Karitiana
Southwest_finnish have germanic dna embedded in them:

Target: Southwest_Finnish
Distance: 1.5321% / 1.53208857
55.4 Estonian
31.4 North-Swedish
12.0 Swedish
1.2 Evens
I also heard German surnames and given names are common among ethnic Estonian people.

Jana
08-09-2020, 05:27 PM
They score medieval Germanic using ancient samples:

Target: Estonian
Distance: 1.0635% / 0.01063535

35.2 Baltic_EST_BA
25.4 DEU_MA
20.2 Baltic_EST_MA
9.4 RUS_Sunghir_MA
5.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
4.0 Baltic_LTU_BA

Also minor Slavic input (RUS_Sunghir)

Leto
08-09-2020, 05:33 PM
Yes, they might have some Swedish from past centuries.

vbnetkhio
08-09-2020, 06:05 PM
They score medieval Germanic using ancient samples:

Target: Estonian
Distance: 1.0635% / 0.01063535

35.2 Baltic_EST_BA
25.4 DEU_MA
20.2 Baltic_EST_MA
9.4 RUS_Sunghir_MA
5.8 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
4.0 Baltic_LTU_BA

Also minor Slavic input (RUS_Sunghir)


I don't know much about history of estonian people but they seem genetically German/Germanic admixed
Estonian avarage on Vahaduo k13:

Southwest_finnish have germanic dna embedded in them:

I also heard German surnames and given names are common among ethnic Estonian people.

Eurogenes calcs don't work well for Finnic peoples.
North_Atlantic is =modern Scots and Orcadians, and Baltic is probably Latvians.
these components work well for populations further south, but with Finns and Estonians the algorithm struggles and assigns them a lot of North atlantic to compensate for something.

i think they do have some Germanic, but Eurogenes is not the right tool for measuring this.

Aren
08-09-2020, 06:58 PM
The elevated percentage of I1 and the historic presence of Swedes in places like Estonia indeed point to a decent amount of Germanic admixture in Estonians, Latvians and Baltic Finns, even Karelians, Ingrians and Vepsians.
I have a couple Estonian Swedish Gedmatch kits, they are actually more Scandinavian than Finland-Swedes, often 50-60% Danish/Norwegian-like.