Andre's K13 Vahaduo calculator to gauge Slavic/Balkanic/Germanic/Altaic admixture

[Scandal]

The source populations:


North_PaleoBalk,26.31,11.19,23.14,10.18,24.32,3.81 ,0.08,0.35,0.07,0.27,0.14,0.14,0
Germanic,43.14,22.44,14.78,6.85,8.54,0.86,0.94,0.1 3,0.40,0.60,0.64,0.47,0.22
Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Altaic,4.25,9.58,0.55,8.32,0.14,0.23,2.94,21.39,48 .62,3.21,0.51,0.01,0.25
South_PaleoBalk,20.82,8.67,21.33,13.7,29.21,4.61,0 .18,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.33,0.33,0.04
It's best suited to people from Eastern half of Europe, but it may still work decently for central euros too. I'm guessing an englishman will get modeled as 100% german. Idk about Iberians/Italians. I am aware the calculator isn't perfect as it lacks baltic and keltic samples. Let's see.

[Scandal]

Mine:

Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 5.8904% / 5.89043507
76.0 Slavic
24.0 South_PaleoBalk

[Scandal]

Serb avarage from Serbia:

Target: Serb
Distance: 1.9081% / 1.90811376
51.8 Slavic
48.2 South_PaleoBalk

Serbia avarage from B&H

Target: Serb_B&H
Distance: 1.4815% / 1.48153029
55.2 Slavic
37.0 South_PaleoBalk
7.8 North_PaleoBalk

[Scandal]

Target: Czech
Distance: 1.1320% / 1.13200382
62.6 Slavic
29.4 Germanic
8.0 South_PaleoBalk

[Scandal]

Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 2.1310% / 2.13097876
88.6 Slavic
10.2 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic



Target: Romania_Transylvania
Distance: 2.1018% / 2.10177554
55.4 South_PaleoBalk
43.8 Slavic
0.8 Altaic



Target: Romanian_Wallachia
Distance: 2.5493% / 2.54928326
59.2 South_PaleoBalk
39.8 Slavic
1.0 Altaic



Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.7813% / 1.78131691
52.6 South_PaleoBalk
42.6 Slavic
4.8 North_PaleoBalk



Target: Central_Greek
Distance: 4.6357% / 4.63571698
99.0 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic



Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 3.5732% / 3.57322175
63.6 South_PaleoBalk
36.2 Slavic
0.2 Altaic



Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.7679% / 0.76787184
54.0 Slavic
22.6 South_PaleoBalk
20.2 Germanic
2.6 North_PaleoBalk
0.6 Altaic

[Scandal]

Target: Kosovo_Albanian
Distance: 2.8323% / 2.83233565
72.4 South_PaleoBalk
23.0 Slavic
4.6 North_PaleoBalk



Target: Albanian
Distance: 3.3420% / 3.34199007
77.4 South_PaleoBalk
20.8 Slavic
1.8 North_PaleoBalk

[Scandal]

Answer to rep comment:

What's the difference between the north and south paleobalkanic samples?
I don't know, you should ask Andre(Romanian member). You should try running the calculator with only one of them and both, the results won't be much different though. I'm guessing the difference between the two is one is native to north balkans the other is native to southern part of the pensinsula.

[Scandal]

I'm a reverse Kosovo-albanian:

Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 5.8904% / 5.89043507
76.0 Slavic
24.0 South_PaleoBalk


Target: Kosovo_Albanian
Distance: 2.8323% / 2.83233565
72.4 South_PaleoBalk
23.0 Slavic
4.6 North_PaleoBalk

[Chris596]

I wanted to try it but it gives me an error:


WARNING! Number of white-space characters removed in SOURCE data: 5. ERROR! Column number mismatch.

[Scandal]

Target: Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
Distance: 2.9753% / 2.97526323
59.8 Germanic
36.2 Slavic
3.2 South_PaleoBalk
0.6 North_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic

[Scandal]

I wanted to try it but it gives me an error:

It works for me.

[dimadoe]

I'm getting somewhat high distances. My dad is Russian and I'm 1/8 Jewish

Target: dad
Distance: 6.2131% / 6.21305704
95.8 Slavic
4.2 Altaic


Target: me
Distance: 9.8843% / 9.88431654
82.2 Slavic
12.8 South_PaleoBalk
5.0 Altaic

[Scandal]

I'm getting somewhat high distances. My dad is Russian and I'm 1/8 Jewish

Target: dad
Distance: 6.2131% / 6.21305704
95.8 Slavic
4.2 Altaic


Target: me
Distance: 9.8843% / 9.88431654
82.2 Slavic
12.8 South_PaleoBalk
5.0 Altaic

Russians have baltic admixture besides slavic and there's no baltic sample in the source population, that may be the reason you get big distance.

[Chris596]

It works for me.

Can you give me a link to the original source? Still not working, no matter how I enter the data.

[Scandal]

Can you give me a link to the original source? Still not working, no matter how I enter the data.
There's your result:

Target: Chris(hungarian)
Distance: 3.4375% / 3.43749771
53.4 Slavic
45.4 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic

[Scandal]

More or less in line with his 23andme result:

Target: Teutone(german)
Distance: 6.3294% / 6.32939415
82.2 Germanic
17.8 Slavic

[Scandal]

Target: JosephK(usamutt)
Distance: 5.0240% / 5.02402646
47.0 Germanic
42.0 Slavic
10.0 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic



Target: Dunai(hungarian)
Distance: 1.3011% / 1.30112658
46.0 Germanic
38.2 Slavic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic



Target: Blanka(hungarian)
Distance: 5.3845% / 5.38449759
55.4 Slavic
24.8 North_PaleoBalk
19.8 Germanic

[Kyp]

My mother:
Target: MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
Distance: 3.1678% / 3.16779749
82.4 Germanic
17.6 Slavic


Myself (with Azeri added)
Target: Kyp(Azeri+German)
Distance: 2.9194% / 2.91935299
43.4 Azeri
36.0 Germanic
13.4 Slavic
7.2 South_PaleoBalk

[paradox]

Target: K13
Distance: 8.5044% / 8.50439981
76.6 South_PaleoBalk
21.8 Slavic
1.6 Altaic
______________________________

My father

Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 1.7021% / 1.70211377
57.8 South_PaleoBalk
35.6 Slavic
6.4 Germanic
0.2 Altaic

[17571imre]

mother:
Target: cb23andme
Distance: 3.5715% / 3.57147361
44.8 Slavic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk
17.4 Germanic
3.4 Altaic

mine:
Target: mh
Distance: 1.5787% / 1.57872288
36.2 North_PaleoBalk
35.0 Slavic
22.6 Germanic
5.8 South_PaleoBalk
0.4 Altaic

i like these results i think there should be more k13 calcuators made

[Jana]

My fit is very poor.

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 4.6397% / 4.63968295

54.6 Slavic
27.2 South_PaleoBalk
17.8 Germanic
0.4 Altaic

[Jana]

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.

[Jana]

Target: Stears
Distance: 4.3297% / 4.32965430

54.4 Slavic
29.2 South_PaleoBalk
13.0 Germanic
3.4 Altaic

Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 4.5245% / 4.52450625

51.6 Slavic
24.6 South_PaleoBalk
23.8 Germanic

[Scandal]

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.

What is Blanka's ancestry?

[Jana]

What is Blanka's ancestry?

Her father roots are from NE Hungary (borsod-zemplen), her mother roots are from central Slovakia (she is ethnic Hungarian though, but with recent Polish, Slovak and not so recent German admixture)

[Scandal]

Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 0.8267% / 0.82669392
44.0 Slavic
30.4 South_PaleoBalk
16.8 Germanic
5.4 North_PaleoBalk
3.4 Altaic


Target: Hungarian_Alfold
Distance: 0.8434% / 0.84344398
59.0 Slavic
19.0 South_PaleoBalk
10.6 North_PaleoBalk
10.6 Germanic
0.8 Altaic



Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 1.6374% / 1.63738564
62.2 Slavic
19.8 Germanic
17.8 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic



Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 1.5055% / 1.50549406
51.4 Slavic
38.2 South_PaleoBalk
4.4 Germanic
3.2 North_PaleoBalk
2.8 Altaic


Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 1.1820% / 1.18202569
48.2 Slavic
20.4 South_PaleoBalk
17.6 North_PaleoBalk
10.8 Germanic
3.0 Altaic


Székelys are more German admixed than Alföld people from Hungary, that may be a surprise to some people.

[Jana]

What is Blanka's ancestry?

Her father roots are from NE Hungary (borsod-zemplen), her mother roots are from central Slovakia (she is ethnic Hungarian though, but with recent Polish, Slovak and not so recent German admixture)

[Jana]

Székelys are more German admixed than Alföld people from Hungary, that may be a surprise to some people.

Yes. Szekelys are more Balkan and more German at the same time than Alfoldis on average. Makes sense historically.
I1 is very high among Szekelys and higher than in Hungary.

[oszkar07]

Target: Dunai(hungarian)
Distance: 1.3011% / 1.30112658
46.0 Germanic
38.2 Slavic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic


Dunai seems somewhat Germanic .

[Scandal]

Dunai seems somewhat Germanic .

He got a lot of Northwestern European and "Broadly european"on 23andme too. I've seen his results on other calculators and he was quite germanic there too. According to his family tree he's 1/8 german, but his genetics shows much more than that.

[Scandal]

Btw "Egyvalaki" is close to being fully German genetically.

Target: Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
Distance: 1.8798% / 1.87978433 | ADC: 0.25x
81.8 West_German
10.4 Pomak_Plovdiv
5.0 Bulgarian_Southwest
1.2 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Swiss_Italian
0.6 Austroasiatic_Ho


Target: Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.7271% / 2.72710192
79.0 Germanic
13.4 South_PaleoBalk
7.6 Slavic

[Kökény]

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk

[oszkar07]

He got a lot of Northwestern European and "Broadly european"on 23andme too. I've seen his results on other calculators and he was quite germanic there too. According to his family tree he's 1/8 german, but his genetics shows much more than that.

On the K13 or K15 vahuedo I plot reasonably close to him and this would be why.

[oszkar07]

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk

yeh , you come out quite Germanic on this.

[oszkar07]

Btw "Egyvalaki" is close to being fully German genetically.

She is reasonably more Germanic than me and Im half British.

[Scandal]

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.
Comparing andre's source populations to vahaduo's avarages.


Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Romagna
2.14032708 Umbria
2.25803011 Tuscan
2.63397039 Marche
2.73492230 Lazio
3.75471703 Tuscany
5.18447683 Emilia
6.03433509 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.31550473 Liguria
6.70143268 FrenchCorsica
7.51459912 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.93969143 West_Sicilian
8.07416250 Greek_Central-Macedonia
8.23694118 Albanian_north_Albania
8.37072876 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.45666601 Albanian_Kosovo
8.50124697 Albanian_south_Albania
8.53116639 Albanian
8.60124991 Albanian_Albania
8.76609377 Abruzzo
8.98375688 Kosovo_Albanian
9.41109983 Lombardy
9.42436735 Albanian_Macedonia
9.42628771 Albanian_Montenegro
9.50008947 Greek_Thessaly

Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Abruzzo
1.05536723 Molise
1.71697408 Basilicata
2.27587346 Apulia
3.66831024 West_Sicilian
3.70626497 Campania
4.43565102 Sicily
4.68508271 Central_Greek
4.72707097 Greek_Andros_Island
4.90556826 East_Sicilian
6.11262628 Malta
6.64955638 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.69247338 Marche
7.11331147 Lazio
7.33674315 Calabria
7.92806408 Umbria
8.03615580 Greek_Peloponnese
8.20294307 GR_Peloponese
8.76609377 Romagna
9.05858157 Greek_Thessaly
9.26855976 Ashkenazi
9.45552220 Turk_Crete
9.66747123 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
9.67690550 Tuscan
9.79618293 Albanian_south_Albania


Distance to: Slavic
2.86347691 Polish
4.12521515 Russian_Smolensk
4.30333592 Estonian_Polish
4.64908593 Cossacks_Kuban
4.95816498 Belorussian
5.94645272 Ukrainian
6.81251055 Southwest_Russian
6.87373988 South_Polish
7.01882469 Estonian
7.50414552 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.64896071 Ukrainian_Belgorod
7.94032115 Lithuanian
7.96377423 Sorb_Lusatia
8.72928405 Kargopol_Russian
9.69560725 Finnish
10.67517213 East_Finnish
10.91821872 Southwest_Finnish
11.80478716 Czech
11.89926712 Slovak
12.62859058 Erzya
12.74627342 Latvian
13.02099003 RU_Pinega
13.10871084 German_east
13.42566199 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
13.84989322 Hungarian_Northern

Target: Slavic
Distance: 1.6093% / 1.60927948 | ADC: 0.25x
65.8 Polish
17.2 Estonian
7.8 Latvian
4.6 Cossacks_Kuban
3.8 Ukrainian
0.8 Sardinian


Distance to: Germanic
0.00000000 West_German
2.52818116 South_Dutch
4.53600044 Swiss_German
4.86184122 German_West
7.62973132 French
7.93392715 Swiss_French
8.61973317 Southeast_English
8.89932582 English
8.91300174 North_German
8.98638414 English_North
9.33778346 English_Midlands
9.58888940 Austrian
10.09884647 Danish
10.79350731 Orcadian
10.79690233 Southwest_English
11.45040174 Welsh
11.50009130 North-Dutch
11.50329953 AostaValley
11.60112495 East_German
11.93581585 Irish
12.10553592 Scottish
12.50003600 West_Scottish
13.19180048 Swedish
13.22317662 Norwegian
14.48534424 Hungarian_Transdanubia


Distance to: Altaic
0.00000000 Altaian
8.99092320 Hakas
9.81540626 Tuvinian
11.20123208 Mongolian
12.56304103 Kirgiz
13.17560245 Shors
13.85485474 Kazakh
14.53076048 Buryat
18.26002191 Karakalpak
24.80510431 Ket
25.86450463 Oroqen
27.34153800 Koryak
28.26302178 Yakut
28.41265563 Selkup
29.69801677 Hazara
29.87515523 Chukchi
30.54731248 Dolgan
30.99042271 Uzbeki
31.60318338 Afghan_Turkmen
31.60651990 Uygur
33.77650219 Evenki
34.23788983 Aghan_Hazara
36.03287527 Evens
36.43252668 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
37.11198459 Hezhen

[17571imre]

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk

Kökény what do you get without South_PaleoBalk?

[Kökény]

Kökény what do you get without South_PaleoBalk?

Target: Kökény
Distance: 2.9575% / 2.95753820

43.2 North_PaleoBalk
27.4 Slavic
23.6 Germanic
5.8 Altaic

[Scandal]

^the distance is worse though.

[TheMaestro]

18.12449172 North_PaleoBalk
22.62399611 South_PaleoBalk
22.83833838 Germanic
28.21072668 Slavic
63.09870522 Altaic



Target: Maestro
Distance: 4.4983% / 4.49828839
55.4 South_PaleoBalk
44.0 Slavic
0.6 Altaic

Pretty acc

[Voskos]

Added some sources to improve fit.

Target: Me
Distance: 258.7750% / 2.58774969
63.6 South_PaleoBalk
12.6 46_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp
8.8 Georgian
8.8 Mozabite_Berber
6.2 Slavic

[17571imre]

^the distance is worse though.

yes but its not always the lower the distance the better if i use 0 adc on K13 my distance would be very low and i will get all of these little precentage but it does not mean that they are part of my ancestry because if i use 0.25 Adc then all those little precentages dissapear. i was trying to figure out why she scores so high Germanic since she is very close to Szekely geneticly. her distance is still under 3 so thats still good i would say.

[Kökény]

i was trying to figure out why she scores so high Germanic since she is very close to Szekely geneticly. her distance is still under 3 so thats still good i would say.
With 0.25x ACD it goes higher. Perhaps some Transylvanian Saxon influence.

[Jana]

My father should be very representative for typical Croat (both in looks and genetics). He is mix of almost all historical regions where Croats lived.

Target: Feiichy_Father(croat)
Distance: 2.7170% / 2.71703687

56.6 Slavic
25.6 South_PaleoBalk
10.0 North_PaleoBalk
7.6 Germanic
0.2 Altaic

[Jana]

Croatian average. Fantastic fit! :thumb001:

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.9733% / 0.97334648

59.6 Slavic
31.2 South_PaleoBalk
5.4 Germanic
3.8 North_PaleoBalk

[Jana]

Croat regional averages (again fantastic fits!) :

Target: Croat_Croatia_Central
Distance: 1.3529% / 1.35293503

59.4 Slavic
15.2 North_PaleoBalk
13.4 Germanic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
Distance: 1.2228% / 1.22275945

58.2 Slavic
39.0 South_PaleoBalk
2.8 North_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
Distance: 1.8748% / 1.87480128

59.6 Slavic
33.4 South_PaleoBalk
6.8 Germanic
0.2 Altaic

Target: Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
Distance: 1.5917% / 1.59173927

57.8 Slavic
24.0 Germanic
18.2 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
Distance: 2.6059% / 2.60586656

59.8 Slavic
40.2 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_B&H_Bosnia
Distance: 1.6239% / 1.62385256

58.8 Slavic
25.4 South_PaleoBalk
15.8 North_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_Croatia_Istria&Kvarner
Distance: 2.1531% / 2.15310876

59.8 Slavic
40.2 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
Distance: 1.2060% / 1.20602631

60.6 Slavic
30.2 South_PaleoBalk
9.2 North_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_Croatia_Gorski_Kotar
Distance: 0.8554% / 0.85544566

52.0 Slavic
25.4 Germanic
22.6 South_PaleoBalk

Target: Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
Distance: 1.6061% / 1.60611990

59.6 Slavic
40.4 South_PaleoBalk

[Jana]

As you can see Slavic admixture is very homogenous in all Croatian regions, around 60% and it's bit lower in NW than elsewhere.
Difference is in amount of Germanic-Celtic and Balkan-Med admixture, NW has more of former and south more of later.

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop
Distance: 16.6790% / 16.67903164
63.4 Germanic
36.6 North_PaleoBalk

[Dušan]

Hmmm, distance is a bit high.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 5.9627% / 5.96267784
60.2 Slavic
38.6 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic

[Ion Basescul]

Good distance for me, but horrible for the rest of the family.

Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 2.1133% / 2.11332900
52.4 Slavic
40.6 South_PaleoBalk
4.8 Altaic
2.2 Germanic


Target: IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.8200% / 5.82003949
56.0 Slavic
39.4 South_PaleoBalk
4.6 Altaic


Target: IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
Distance: 5.1914% / 5.19140191
58.2 Slavic
38.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic


Target: IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
Distance: 6.4240% / 6.42397488
62.0 Slavic
34.4 South_PaleoBalk
3.6 Altaic

[ph2ter]

Target: ph2ter
Distance: 2.5783% / 2.57832415
57.4 Slavic
31.8 Germanic
10.6 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic

What is used for North_PaleoBalkan. It doesn't seem right. Some individual from an extinct population?

[Kaspias]

We are all from the same village except for Deniz who is from NE Bulgaria.

https://i.ibb.co/6sXLr85/K13.png

[Scandal]

Target: ph2ter
Distance: 2.5783% / 2.57832415
57.4 Slavic
31.8 Germanic
10.6 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic

What is used for North_PaleoBalkan. It doesn't seem right. Some individual from an extinct population?

North_PaleoBalkan = Romagna on vahaduo k13 updated https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329730-Andre-s-K13-Vahaduo-calculator-to-gauge-Slavic-Balkanic-Germanic-Altaic-admixture&p=6838274&viewfull=1#post6838274

[gixajo]

Here you have 3 Spanish results, enormous distances, obviously:

Target: gixajo(mixed South/North Spain)
Distance: 17.5863% / 17.58626325
65.6 Germanic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk

Target: gixajo_dad (South Spain)
Distance: 16.8378% / 16.83779355
53.2 North_PaleoBalk
46.8 Germanic

Target: gixajo_mom(North Spain)
Distance: 18.8015% / 18.80147765
74.6 Germanic
25.4 North_PaleoBalk

[gixajo]

And where the references are from...

References from Eurogenes K13 ancient, Vahaduo.


Distance to: Slavic
0.00000000 AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_


Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
2.66443240 scy300_Moldova_Scythian.SG_2253_ybp


Distance to: Germanic
2.57297493 I4946_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4172_ybp


Distance to: Altaic
8.16552509 DA116_Kyrgyzstan_Nomad_Med.SG_796_ybp


Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
2.99317557 R973_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy

References from Eurogenes K13 (Modern) updated ,Vahaduo:


Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Abruzzo


Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Romagna


Distance to: Altaic
0.00000000 Altaian


Distance to: Germanic
0.00000000 West_German


Distance to: Slavic
2.86347691 Polish

[Ion Basescul]

North_PaleoBalkan = Romagna

https://comps.gograph.com/confused-business-man-reading-documents_gg63768854.jpg

[Scandal]

https://comps.gograph.com/confused-business-man-reading-documents_gg63768854.jpg

:shrug:

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 409.3802% / 4.09380151
55.8 South_PaleoBalk
43.6 Slavic
0.6 Altaic

Target: Fellow
Distance: 445.7420% / 4.45742017
51.4 North_PaleoBalk
36.4 Slavic
10.0 South_PaleoBalk
2.2 Germanic

[Ion Basescul]

Target: FellowGF
Distance: 409.3802% / 4.09380151
55.8 South_PaleoBalk
43.6 Slavic
0.6 Altaic

Target: Fellow
Distance: 445.7420% / 4.45742017
51.4 North_PaleoBalk
36.4 Slavic
10.0 South_PaleoBalk
2.2 Germanic

Your supposedly Ukrainian ancestry is probably either Bucovina German or Hungarian. At least genetically, this is how it seems.

[gixajo]

I have just now made a similar model with G25 individual samples to compare results.No Emilia-Romagna references, so I choose the next close reference, that is Umbria.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329747-G25-Scaled-quot-aproximate-quot-version-of-quot-Andre-s-K13-Vahaduo-calculator-quot-for-Balkans&p=6838438#post6838438

[Jana]

:shrug:

Andre used Scythian Moldova for north Paleo Balkan it seems. Not a bad choice because that samples probably belonged to to Getae (branch of northern Thracian tribes)

[Scandal]

Andre used Scythian Moldova for north Paleo Balkan it seems. Not a bad choice because that samples probably belonged to to Getae (branch of northern Thracian tribes)

North_Paleo_balkan is exactly the same as Romagna (k13 updated)

[Jana]

North_Paleo_balkan is exactly the same as Romagna (k13 updated)

Ah, than he used modern Romagna reference? If yes, weird choice.

[Scandal]

Ah, than he used modern Romagna reference? If yes, weird choice.

Check it yourself.

[Jana]

Check it yourself.

Yeah. I don't see the need to use modern references when we have ancient samples both from southern and northern Balkans available on K13.
I will try to make K13 calc.

[Narration]

I will try soon. I think it will rate me as an intermediate between Balkanic and Altaic but with an awful fit.

[Narration]

Target: ME
Distance: 28.9657% / 28.96565166
80.0 South_PaleoBalk
20.0 Altaic

[andre]

Guys, don't use the entire spreedsheet; For example if you are from Romania,Croatia, Hungary delete the southern balkanic.. instead, if you are from the south-central balkans (Pomaks,Turks and Albanians) delete the northern one.

For bulgarians, gagauz and serbs, works good both.

[andre]

Target: Csango_Siret (A sample from my grandma's village)
Distance: 3.7425% / 3.74251771
49.2 Slavic
37.0 North_PaleoBalk
8.4 Germanic
5.4 Altaic

Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 2.6504% / 2.65042497
49.0 Slavic
47.2 North_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic

Target: Andre
Distance: 5.3828% / 5.38280515
57.6 North_PaleoBalk
39.4 Slavic
3.0 Altaic

[andre]

Target: Romanian_Wallachia
Distance: 6.0802% / 6.08022188
64.0 North_PaleoBalk
33.0 Slavic
3.0 Altaic

Target: Romania_Transylvania
Distance: 4.6681% / 4.66810607
60.4 North_PaleoBalk
37.0 Slavic
2.6 Altaic

Target: Romania_Moldavia_average
Distance: 5.0051% / 5.00514984
55.8 North_PaleoBalk
41.2 Slavic
3.0 Altaic

[Impaler]

Bad fit:

Target: Impaler
Distance: 7.6394% / 7.63942595
66.2 South_PaleoBalk
21.4 Slavic
7.0 Germanic
5.4 Altaic

[Dušan]

For bulgarians, gagauz and serbs, works good both.

South Balkan is better for me, but still distance is big.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 5.9627% / 5.96267784
60.2 Slavic
38.6 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic

Target: Dušan
Distance: 7.1351% / 7.13514164
56.0 Slavic
41.6 North_PaleoBalk
2.4 Altaic

[andre]

Bad fit:

Target: Impaler
Distance: 7.6394% / 7.63942595
66.2 South_PaleoBalk
21.4 Slavic
7.0 Germanic
5.4 Altaic

Try with this: South_Asia,1.23,2.54,5.08,34.92,22.35,5.58,26.09,0 .25,0.23,0.35,0.13,0.67,0.35

[Jana]

I will try to make K13 calc.

Gave up. I can't create good calc because south Slavs, Hungarians etc end up scoring much more Greco-Roman than native Balkan admixture which can't be realistic. I don't know why.

[gixajo]

If you want to (try to) compare K13 and G25 results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?329753-Comparing-similar-models-G25-and-K13&p=6838613#post6838613

Results are quite similar even considering references are not identicals.(distances obviously are not)

[calxpal]

Target: cpal
Distance: 2.5056% / 2.50563065
70.4 Germanic
25.4 Slavic
3.2 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic

[someonenotyou]

Distance: 506.1428% / 5.06142763
37.4 Slavic
35.2 North_PaleoBalk
24.8 Germanic
2.6 Altaic

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
9.67407877 Germanic
29.51242450 Slavic
36.93300286 North_PaleoBalk
44.43092054 South_PaleoBalk
72.48463216 Altaic

Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Germanic

Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Germanic

Target: CDG
Distance: 967.4079% / 9.67407877 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Germanic

Target: CDG
Distance: 961.9080% / 9.61907972 | ADC: 0.25x
97.6 Germanic
2.4 Slavic

Target: CDG
Distance: 961.0180% / 9.61018004
96.2 Germanic
3.8 Slavic

[Coastal Elite]

Target: Daco
Distance: 2.5625% / 2.56249664
84.6 Germanic
15.4 South_PaleoBalk

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace
Distance: 1248.9015% / 12.48901541
97.2 Germanic
2.8 Slavic

[Cybele]

without South_PaleoBalk

Target: Cybele
Distance: 3.8623% / 3.86228888
64.2 North_PaleoBalk
31.8 Slavic
3.0 Altaic
1.0 Germanic

with it

Target: Cybele
Distance: 3.8624% / 3.86239340
61.8 North_PaleoBalk
31.6 Slavic
3.0 Altaic
1.8 Germanic
1.8 South_PaleoBalk

[PAGANE]

Mine
Distance: 6.9649% / 6.96492419
61.0 South_PaleoBalk
36.6 Slavic
2.4 Altaic


My mother
Distance: 7.4925% / 7.49253702
73.0 South_PaleoBalk
24.8 Slavic
2.2 Altaic


My brother
Distance: 7.9543% / 7.95425029
65.6 South_PaleoBalk
31.2 Slavic
3.2 Altaic


Cousins
Distance: 5.5250% / 5.52497669
50.2 South_PaleoBalk
28.2 Slavic
19.4 North_PaleoBalk
2.2 Altaic




Distance: 3.7776% / 3.77763795
69.0 South_PaleoBalk
27.6 Slavic
3.4 Altaic




Distance: 6.0570% / 6.05696014
60.6 South_PaleoBalk
39.4 Slavic




Distance: 3.8372% / 3.83723454
52.2 South_PaleoBalk
40.4 Slavic
7.4 North_PaleoBalk

[Cybele]

My mother's result

without South_PaleoBalk

Target: Cybele's_mom
Distance: 4.9726% / 4.97260655
61.0 North_PaleoBalk
35.0 Slavic
4.0 Altaic

with it

Target: Cybele's_mom
Distance: 1.8966% / 1.89657383
56.2 South_PaleoBalk
41.6 Slavic
2.2 Altaic

[bained]

Very nice.


Target: BaiNed
Distance: 2.9960% / 2.99599565
48.0 South_PaleoBalk
29.2 Slavic
22.4 North_PaleoBalk
0.4 Germanic

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Your supposedly Ukrainian ancestry is probably either Bucovina German or Hungarian. At least genetically, this is how it seems.

What Hungarian or German was called Vișovan? Unless my great-grandma fooled around with some German from the village, there were a few there until they left in the 40's, hehe.

[Scandal]

What Hungarian or German was called Vișovan? Unless my great-grandma fooled around with some German from the village, there were a few there until they left in the 40's, hehe.

My paternal grandma says her grandfather was German with the surname "Kardos" :laugh:

[Ion Basescul]

What Hungarian or German was called Vișovan? Unless my great-grandma fooled around with some German from the village, there were a few there until they left in the 40's, hehe.

I've seen several examples from people who have migrated from Austro-Hungary or Greece to Romania and changed their surname in the second generation.

[Lucas]

Target: luk
Distance: 6.6349% / 6.63485156
98.6 Slavic
1.4 South_PaleoBalk

[Nurzat]

Distance: 4.4419% / 4.44190001
Target: Nurzat
58.0 Slavic
39.7 South_PaleoBalkan
2.3 Altaic
0.0 North_PaleoBalkan
0.0 Germanic

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 353.6855% / 3.53685526
63.2 Germanic
33.8 Slavic
2.2 South_PaleoBalk
0.8 Altaic

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 353.6855% / 3.53685526 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.2 Germanic
33.8 Slavic
2.2 South_PaleoBalk
0.8 Altaic

[alexmegas777]

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)
14.90731700 North_PaleoBalk
15.90916717 Germanic
21.87767584 South_PaleoBalk
31.16499639 Slavic
63.90153911 Altaic

Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
Distance: 375.8979% / 3.75897889 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.8 North_PaleoBalk
22.6 Germanic
19.6 Slavic
2.0 Altaic