POLL! Is Lukasenka a dictator or not?

[Blondie]

title

[Ford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY8UJAFN7eY

[Ülev]

так, дыктатар

[Freeroostah]

Yes he is, and as long as his nation is thriving and remains healthy there is nothing wrong with that

[Tannhauser]

The consequent question: Is it a good one or a bad one?

[Satem]

Yes

The worst is the fact that many Polish nationalists think that he is a hero, because he is against LGBT and *the democracy is wrong*

[Moje ime]

https://twitter.com/zagibaigvozdi/status/1292391591248908288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1292391591248908288%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.b92.net%2Finfo%2Fvesti%2 Findex.php%3Fyyyy%3D2020mm%3D08dd%3D10nav_category %3D78nav_id%3D1717468

[Voskos]

Nope.

[Ülev]

I can apply for the position of next dictator of Belarus

[Tannhauser]

I can apply for the position of next dictator of Belarus

You would be a great leader, we know.

[Rumata]

I guess so. But a benevolent one (considering what the hell is going on outside of Belarus (corona madness etc)).

[Finnish Swede]

The consequent question: Is it a good one or a bad one?


1.) Is Belarus among of most developed countries in Europe?

2.) Is Belarus people one of most happiest people in Europe?

3.) Are living conditions and standard of livings (average levels) one of the highest in Belarus?

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/RCn-k76xrCQ

[Alla Zima]

Lukashenko is a real dictator. He is killing civilians who protest yesterday's blatant presidential election result.
Violent suppression against civilians

https://youtu.be/W1w_0oTS904

[KirillMazur]

According to Belarusian sources, the current leader of the country, Alexander Lukashenko, wins the presidential elections taking place in the country, with 97% of the country's citizens voting for him.
Everything is OK, although he is inconvenient for both Russia and the West, there is no worthy candidates to transfer power. We do not consider "creative ones" as worthy successors, do we?
https://avia.pro/news/kto-pobedil-na-vyborah-v-belorussii-za-lukashenko-progolosovali-97

[Dušan]

1.) Is Belarus among of most developed countries in Europe?

2.) Is Belarus people one of most happiest people in Europe?

3.) Are living conditions and standard of livings (average levels) one of the highest in Belarus?


Is Belarus destination for non-European migrants?

[Voskos]

I support any ''dictator'' that protects his people from corporate imperialism and muslim colonization/ mixing with muslims.

[Finnish Swede]

there is still no worthy alternative to him.

This is too easy/cliche ... are all people there really similar?

If so maybe some ethnics should hire their own leaders outside/among of foreigners!

[Renekton]

Yes, same with Putin.

[pulstar]

If I was Polish I'd feel relief I wasn't born a bit more eastern. Sounds a tiny bit better than North Korea.

[Finnish Swede]

Is Belarus destination for non-European migrants?

Depends will Belarussians ever live better than those non-European immigrants (in their own home countries).

[Teutone]

If it wasnt for his disgusting secularism id love the guy

At least he keeps alot of hedonistic western influence out.

[PAGANE]

Why be a dictator? Elections are held, democratic and the people elect him!

[Satem]

Is Belarus destination for non-European migrants?

Does it have anything to do with democracy? Czech Rep. is democratic state and there are not many migrants. If country lets migrants or not it's decision of politicians, it doesn't depend only on being democratic or not, same as FS things mentioned in her questions

[Zeno]

Yes.

And he's doing a glorious job in keeping Belarus Belarusian, keeping the country safe and its people thriving.

https://belarusfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/12_den_vyshivanki_zam_tutby_phsl_02072016-1.jpg

[Satem]

Why be a dictator? Elections are held, democratic and the people elect him!

Yes, but international people who would care to make trustworthy elections were not let in in many locations, locked commision buildings etc
People may vote him, but it seems not as many as stated in the results. Lukashenko cares to be sure about the result

[Teutone]

Yes.

And he's doing a glorious job in keeping Belarus Belarusian, keeping the country safe and its people thriving.

https://belarusfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/12_den_vyshivanki_zam_tutby_phsl_02072016-1.jpg

Good joke, hes a secular bastard.
Not bad as western leaders, but still not a good man.

1.5 birthrate
23% of pregnancies face a abortion
Alcoholism still rampant
Life expectancy of 74
Belarus is a hotspot for sex tourism and drugs.
41% Atheist population

All these are signs of a secular atheist leader

[Rumata]

RF would be better off with a leader like Luka. I wish him the best of luck and he really needs it condidering who are his enemies...

[Zeno]

Good joke, hes a secular bastard.
Not bad as western leaders, but still not a good man.

1.5 birthrate
23% of pregnancies face a abortion
Alcoholism still rampant
Life expectancy of 74
Belarus is a hotspot for sex tourism and drugs.
41% Atheist population

All these are signs of a secular atheist leader

The vital point here is that Belarus is only European by now.

[Ülev]

Lukashenko likes Resources Federation me think

[Jana]

He is. But being a dictator is not necessarily negative.

[Rumata]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv3Ww9nKOaU

[Dušan]

Good joke, hes a secular bastard.
Not bad as western leaders, but still not a good man.

1.5 birthrate
23% of pregnancies face a abortion
Alcoholism still rampant
Life expectancy of 74
Belarus is a hotspot for sex tourism and drugs.
41% Atheist population

All these are signs of a secular atheist leader

Bad demographic performances, but do you think it is better among native population in any west European country?
At least, in Belarus there are no recent Muslim neighbourhoods.

[Teutone]

The vital point here is that Belarus is only European by now.

Thats more a reality of being piss poor in the first place.

He still works for or tolerates the death of million Belarusian babies and hedonism that leads to the degeneration of his population.

Yet I dont want him to be replaced by a western leader that forces even more hedonism on the population.

[Teutone]

Bad demographic performances, but do you think it is better among native population in any west European country?
At least, in Belarus there are no recent Muslim neighbourhoods.

No?

What kind of question is this?

I dont got to referr to the shity west to excuse wrong doings of other parts of the world, I dont have down syndrome.

[Ülev]

The vital point here is that Belarus is only European by now.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=25232&dateline=1596140314

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Flag_of_Ukraine.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Ukraine.svg.png


coincidence?? - I don't think so

[CordedWhelp]

#MakeBelarusGreatAgain
(Awaiting the triggering)

[Zeno]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=25232&dateline=1596140314

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Flag_of_Ukraine.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Ukraine.svg.png


coincidence?? - I don't think so

хохол intensifies

[Tooting Carmen]

Good joke, hes a secular bastard.
Not bad as western leaders, but still not a good man.

1.5 birthrate
23% of pregnancies face a abortion
Alcoholism still rampant
Life expectancy of 74
Belarus is a hotspot for sex tourism and drugs.
41% Atheist population

All these are signs of a secular atheist leader

Yeah I love it how some romanticise Russia and its ex-satellites as being supposed bastions of high moral standards and family values, when in truth they are at least equally prone to abortion, divorce, prostitution etc as Western European countries are. And to answer the OP's question: I'd say he is borderline.

[Teutone]

Yeah I love it how some romanticise Russia and its ex-satellites as being supposed bastions of high moral standards and family values, when in truth they are at least equally prone to abortion, divorce, prostitution etc as Western European countries are. And to answer the OP's question: I'd say he is borderline.

Spot on.

Even tho that should make you appreciate Russia.

[Jana]

Yeah I love it how some romanticise Russia and its ex-satellites as being supposed bastions of high moral standards and family values, when in truth they are at least equally prone to abortion, divorce, prostitution etc as Western European countries are. And to answer the OP's question: I'd say he is borderline.

Abortion rates in Russia and former Soviet satelites are highest in entire Europe. Pretty sickening data.

[Alla Zima]

RF would be better off with a leader lik Luka. I wish him the best of luck and he really needs it condidering who are his enemies...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnnkXocv9o

[Satem]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=25232&dateline=1596140314

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Flag_of_Ukraine.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Ukraine.svg.png


coincidence?? - I don't think so

Lyssyi approves

Justice for Lyssyi

[The Lawspeaker]

And he is just as legitimate as our own elected dictators that beat up the population when they resist their policies. After all: he was elected and their elections are as phoney and thus as legitimate as our own phoney and thus legitimate elections. No different from Xi Jinping, Putin, the Kim family or our own Dear Leaders.

[Tooting Carmen]

Abortion rates in Russia and former Soviet satelites are highest in entire Europe. Pretty sickening data.

Well Russia (or rather the USSR) was the first country in the entire world to legalise abortion (for good and for ill). Although Stalin banned it, what is curious is how it was re-legalised upon his death, unlike homosexuality in the USSR.

[Rumata]

...

OK, mandatory "self-isolation" and vaccination for you then.

[Ülev]

Прибытие подразделения Народно-освободительной армии Китая в Россию для участия в АрМИ-2020
Arrival of a unit of the People's Liberation Army of China to Russia to participate in Army-2020

https://youtu.be/43EjkSjqRmQ

[Satem]

OK, mandatory "self-isolation" and vaccination for you then.

Are you against vaccination because you're afraid of needle?

[Rumata]

Are you against vaccination because you're afraid of needle?

No.
1. Because this vaccination is a part of the obviously artificial corona virus crysis.
2. Because a safe vaccine should be tasted at least in a couple of generations.
3. Because I generally don't trust the preparers.

Do you like mandatory things?

[Ülev]

there will be a few kind of vaccine, good for Westerners, average for CE and bad for Easterners (with RFID chip) :rolleyes:

[kundur]

After I saw that there were protests in Belarus, I checked out the demographics. I was wondering whether there was really any segment of the population which would favor EU over Russia.
Interestingly, I used to think that Belarus was full-blown Orthodox country. Actually, it appears that it is not, I was mistaken.
12% of the population is Catholic.

[Rumata]

there will be a few kind of vaccine, good for Westerners, average for CE and bad for Easterners (with RFID chip) :rolleyes:

They could well spare money on you and let you be non-vaccinated. That would hardly harm them anyway.

[Ülev]

lol, today I was tested on Covid-19 in my, let's say "corporation" and I am healthy :rolleyes:

[Rumata]

lol, today I was tested on Covid-19 in my, let's say "corporation" and I am healthy :rolleyes:

Interesting. Are you sure your tests weren't contaminated with Covid-19 like these ones? Why?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/uks-attempt-ramp-coronavirus-testing-hindered-key-components/

[Ülev]

quick test, they only took nasal swab, you know, in the Army

[Rumata]

President Magufuli says tests were found to be faulty after goat, sheep and pawpaw samples test positive for COVID-19

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/tanzania-president-questions-coronavirus-kits-animal-test-200503174100809.html

[Rumata]

quick test, they only took nasal swab, you know, in the Army

That's enough Vasiliy. Pray if you can.

[michal3141]

Yes he is. And good for Belarus!

[Universe]

I wonder if laws enabled Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians to migrate to Western/Southern Europe the way it enables Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Poles etc. How many east slavs would be in Western Europe? Just curious, not attacking them or anything.

[KirillMazur]

This is too easy/cliche ... are all people there really similar?

If so maybe some ethnics should hire their own leaders outside/among of foreigners!
You don’t understand the Kremlin’s game - Lukashenka’s victory in the elections (or rather, keeping his power in this special operation of usurpation:)) is beneficial to Moscow.
Moscow gets an absolutely illegitimate dictator with zero support, for whom there simply will be no other way but to fall on the broad chest of his older brother. On August 10, Russia in Europe will have its own Assad, completely dependent on it, who can be pulled by the strings in any way you like.

[EuropeanVlachSon]

I support any ''dictator'' that protects his people from corporate imperialism and muslim colonization/ mixing with muslims.

Though they live in a depressing shithole, with no right to have another opinion and shit salaries? Great, but you know, you have just one life, I would not like to spend my life in fucking Gomel

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Since when this forum became like this? Full of wannabe democracy haters and conspiracy theorists heaven?

[Teutone]

Since when this forum became like this? Full of wannabe democracy haters and conspiracy theorists heaven?

Why would people that appreciate European Culture support ideologies that replace the European people?

[coolfrenchguy]

LUKASENKO and not lukasenka,yes he still a non-democratic auto-named non-elected autochrat/dictator/despot,call it as you wish

[ixulescu]

Why would people that appreciate European Culture support ideologies that replace the European people?

He gives a rat's ass about both, much like Putin. You shouldn't be this naive.

[Teutone]

He gives a rat's ass about both, much like Putin. You shouldn't be this naive.

Thats what I stated here, go back some pages.

But he asked why people here tend to oppose democracies.

[ixulescu]

Thats what I stated here, go back some pages.

Good.



But he asked why people here tend to oppose democracies.

Democracies are far from perfect, but we don't have a better system. At least democracies can course-correct.

Dictatorships and autocracies always fail, and at great human expense.

Dreams of autocratic rulers who fix all problems is political laziness.

[Teutone]

Good.



Democracies are far from perfect, but we don't have a better system. At least democracies can course-correct.

Dictatorships and autocracies always fail, and at great human expense.

Dreams of autocratic rulers who fix all problems is political laziness.

I dont mind a dictator or monarch that puts the ethnic presetvation of his people first.

I dont give a fuck about equality or minority rights

All I care for is keeping the white populations a mayority in their own land forever.

[Roy]

Why be a dictator? Elections are held, democratic and the people elect him!

Those elections are rigged and do not meet basic criteria for their righteousness. Don't be an idiot. Belarusians have enough.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXEEvxfwS8

[Tannhauser]

Opposition leader Tikhanovskaya flees to Lithuania after second night of protests
Amid unrest in Belarus, Lukahsenko’s top rival Svetlana Tikhanovskaya said she left the country because "what is happening now is not worth a single life." Lithuania said Tikhanovskaya was "safe" on their territory.

Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, the main challenger in the disputed presidential election in Belarus, said Tuesday she made a "difficult decision" to leave her homeland, but did so of her own volition.

As protests against Alexandar Lukashenko's alleged victory grow more violent, Tikhanovskaya tried to explain the reasons behind her sudden departure in YouTube video.


https://www.dw.com/image/54507578_303.jpg

"You know, I thought that this whole campaign really had hardened me and given me so much strength that I could handle anything," she said. "But, probably, I'm still the weak woman I was in the first place. I have made a very difficult decision for myself," before adding, "I made this decision absolutely independently."

"Children are the most important thing we have in life," continued Tikhanovskaya. "I know that many of you will understand me, many others will condemn me and some will even hate me. But God forbid you ever face the choice that I faced.''

"People please take care of yourselves," she added. "What is happening now is not worth a single life."

The Belarusian government also insisted that she left on her own accord.

Meanwhile, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius confirmed Tikhanovskaya had crossed the border during the protests in her home country and was "safe."

[Tannhauser]

The European Union has said the Belarus presidential election in which President Alexander Lukashenko appeared to win nearly 80% of the vote was "neither free nor fair." Now, Brussels could take action.


The European Union's foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, on Tuesday condemned "disproportionate" violence by authorities in Belarus and said it was considering sanctions against those responsible.

President Alexander Lukashenko was declared winner of Sunday's Belarus presidential election, garnering about 80% of the vote in an election that many believe was rigged. The result triggered violence between security forces and opposition supporters that saw one protester killed.

Brussels on Tuesday said it was considering "measures against those responsible for the observed violence, unjustified arrests and falsification of election results."

"The elections were neither free nor fair," Borrell said in a statement. He cited "credible reports" from domestic observers that showed the election did not conform to international standards.

"State authorities deployed disproportionate and unacceptable violence... Thousands of people were detained and the crackdown on freedoms of assembly, media and expression intensified," he said.

'Anything is on the table'
The precise nature of the measures was still up for debate, said the European Commission's lead spokesperson for foreign affairs and security policy, Peter Stano.

"No one is in a rush for the sake of speaking out about retaliatory measures or sanctions. Anything is on the table. Anything is possible as long as the member states agree. But first, we need to have these consultations, these discussions among the member states. Finalize the assessments being concluded and then everything will be then taken step by step."

Short, medium and long-term goals

The foreign ministers of Estonia, Finland, Latvia and Poland on Tuesday jointly called for an EU video conference to discuss a united position for the bloc on Belarus.

"There are some immediate goals, which is stopping violence, simply calm down the situation. We have to exert pressure on the authorities in Minsk to go that way," said Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz.

"A medium-term goal would be simply to release political prisoners and restore human rights observance in Belarus. Also, we can envisage a far-reaching goal which would be a dialogue."

The ministers had gathered in the Latvian capital, Riga, on Tuesday to ostensibly mark the centenary of the signing of a Russia-Latvia peace treaty.

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas on Monday said the EU needed to consider sanctions on Belarus that were lifted in 2016 on the basis of apparent progress in the rule of law there.

Belarusian opposition leader Svetlana Tikhanouskaya on Tuesday said she had fled to neighboring Lithuania for the sake of her children. She had been considered Lukashenko's biggest political threat to date with a broad swath of support within Belarus, but only achieved about 10% of the vote according to Sunday's official results.

[Mingle]

The vital point here is that Belarus is only European by now.
It would be the same regardless of Lukashenko. Lukashenko isn't some anti-immigration politician. It has almost no non-Euros for the same reason as Moldova or Kosovo, cause they aren't interested in migrating there. The topic is irrelevant for Belarus.

[Westbrook]

This girl in white looks just like a girl I went to school with most of my life.
Yes.

And he's doing a glorious job in keeping Belarus Belarusian, keeping the country safe and its people thriving.

https://belarusfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/12_den_vyshivanki_zam_tutby_phsl_02072016-1.jpg

[Westbrook]

What a coward.
Opposition leader Tikhanovskaya flees to Lithuania after second night of protests
Amid unrest in Belarus, Lukahsenko’s top rival Svetlana Tikhanovskaya said she left the country because "what is happening now is not worth a single life." Lithuania said Tikhanovskaya was "safe" on their territory.

Svetlana Tikhanovskaya, the main challenger in the disputed presidential election in Belarus, said Tuesday she made a "difficult decision" to leave her homeland, but did so of her own volition.

As protests against Alexandar Lukashenko's alleged victory grow more violent, Tikhanovskaya tried to explain the reasons behind her sudden departure in YouTube video.
"You know, I thought that this whole campaign really had hardened me and given me so much strength that I could handle anything," she said. "But, probably, I'm still the weak woman I was in the first place. I have made a very difficult decision for myself," before adding, "I made this decision absolutely independently."

"Children are the most important thing we have in life," continued Tikhanovskaya. "I know that many of you will understand me, many others will condemn me and some will even hate me. But God forbid you ever face the choice that I faced.''

"People please take care of yourselves," she added. "What is happening now is not worth a single life."

The Belarusian government also insisted that she left on her own accord.

Meanwhile, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius confirmed Tikhanovskaya had crossed the border during the protests in her home country and was "safe."

[Crn Volk]

This girl in white looks just like a girl I went to school with most of my life.

Lucky you ;)

[Crn Volk]

I wonder if laws enabled Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians to migrate to Western/Southern Europe the way it enables Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Poles etc. How many east slavs would be in Western Europe? Just curious, not attacking them or anything.

I believe London has enough as it is :eek:

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Roy; 6841582] Тези избори са фалшифицирани и не отговарят на основните критерии за тяхната правда. Не бъди идиот. Беларусите имат достатъчно.

[видео = младост; RSXEEvxfwS8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXEEvxfwS8 [/ видео] [/ цитат]

If the election depended on the opinion of every idiot, then there would never and nowhere be a normal election. Leave the decisions of the people of Belarus

[Westbrook]

More like lucky her
Lucky you ;)

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSLEJO7GIY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrpE3KsAdHA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zjWJfruxo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJRDIQIQ1iE

[Rumata]

It would be the same regardless of Lukashenko. Lukashenko isn't some anti-immigration politician. It has almost no non-Euros for the same reason as Moldova or Kosovo, cause they aren't interested in migrating there. The topic is irrelevant for Belarus.

Anyway Belarus doesn't build migrant camps on its territory like for example the poor Bosnia does just because it was commanded to do so.

[Blondie]

LUKASENKO and not lukasenka,

Lukasenko in russian language and Lukasenka in belorussian language, both are correct.

[Rumata]

Actually, it's 'sh'. Lukashenko both in Ukrainian and Russian (the surname is Ukrainian). In Belarussian it's just written as it sounds - Lukashenka.

[Mingle]

Anyway Belarus doesn't build migrant camps on its territory like for example the poor Bosnia does just because it was commanded to do so.Bosnia is in the middle of EU territory and has lots of migrants passing through it from it's eastern neighbors (since SE Europe borders Asia).

Belarus was never told anything in regards to making migrant camps (unlike Bosnia) and no migrant would think about traveling such a distance all the way to the third (or fourth?) poorest country in Europe.

But either way, if some leftist pro-western politician replaces Lukashenko, then Belarus still won't be getting non-European immigrants. Even many countries part of the EU (such as Latvia or Estonia) much richer than Belarus don't get non-European immigration so I'm not sure why you want to portray this issue as something relevant to Belarus. There are other social issues that are far more important.

[kundur]

Yesterday Kyiv fell. It looks like Minsk is now under siege. If Minsk falls too; Smolensk and Moskva are set to be next.
Russians obviously have to deal with a Catholic onslaught once every century (see Napoleon and Hitler).

However, it is hard to have Russia fall now.
Russia does not depend on EU that much anymore. In 2019, China has surpassed the EU and has become Russia's main trade partner for the first time.

There is the Anglo sphere factor. Anglo sphere could have taken down Russia in 1990's but did not proceed.
Russia is a strategically important country, having a key role in the balance. If Russian state is gone, the monitoring hammer on the "Central Europeans" (read Catholics) would be gone, it would be too risky for Anglos, not to mention UK got rid of both France (Napoleon) and Germany (Hitler) threats thanks to Russian alliance. Beside, in other regions there would problems too. China would annex anything until Ural mountains, and you would also Wahhabist Jihadi emirates popping up in Northern Caucasus.
We can guess that US and UK would like to see a weak Russia, but not one which is completely gone.

For all these reasons, I think that those protests won't bring anything. If behind doors it is Russia in reality which tries to get rid of Lukashenko, it is another story.

[Universe]

Actually, it's 'sh'. Lukashenko both in Ukrainian and Russian (the surname is Ukrainian). In Belarussian it's just written as it sounds - Lukashenka.

Lukashenka is weird af. It sounds feminine to me.

[Jana]

I wonder if laws enabled Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians to migrate to Western/Southern Europe the way it enables Bulgarians, Romanians, Hungarians, Poles etc. How many east slavs would be in Western Europe? Just curious, not attacking them or anything.

There are 2 millions Ukrainian immigrants in Poland only. Italy is also full of them.

[Universe]

There are 2 millions Ukrainian immigrants in Poland only. Italy is also full of them.

There are barely any Russians and Belarusians though, especially considering how large population they are. Germany has sizeable Russian community but I think they're mostly descendants of German immigrants to Russia.

[Blondie]

There are 2 millions Ukrainian immigrants in Poland only. Italy is also full of them.

There are many in Hungary too.

[Blondie]

There are barely any Russians and Belarusians though, especially considering how large population they are. Germany has sizeable Russian community but I think they're mostly descendants of German immigrants to Russia.

I doubt these russian germans have pure german ancestry, just like danube swabians also not pure.

[Universe]

I doubt these russian germans have pure german ancestry, just like danube swabians also not pure.

Yes, I know many if not most are mixed. Some are even mixed with kazakhs.

[Jana]

There are barely any Russians and Belarusians though, especially considering how large population they are. Germany has sizeable Russian community but I think they're mostly descendants of German immigrants to Russia.

Russian living standard improved a lot since Soviet Union fell. Their gdp per capita is slightly higher than Croatian and comparable to Hungarian if I am not mistaken.
Also in Russia you have huge business opportunities in certain sectors like energy where literally you can make huge money. It comes with such large land mass - big country big opportunities.

Belarus is pretty decent too, I'm sure it has better living standard and quality of life than many Balkan countries.
They kept remnants of socialist system like free education, health care...unemployment rate is very low and it's among cleanest and safest Euro countries with decent infrastructure.

They don't have a lot compared to EU countries and can't really travel but there aren't many homeless and dirt poor people in Belarus. Most of them have their basic needs covered and live pretty secure stress free life.

Ukraine on the other hand is third world country with high crime rate, political turmoil, ongoing conflict in the east, HIV epidemics, and huge povertry issues.
It's European Africa along with few other unlucky countries.

[Universe]

There are many in Hungary too.

Few thousand in Hungary, compare it to 1 million poles in UK, another 2 million in germany etc.

[Jana]

There are many in Hungary too.

I know, mother of Stears is always complaining about them. She seem one of Hungarians with huge dislike for Ukrainians.

[Blondie]

Few thousand in Hungary, compare it to 1 million poles in UK, another 2 million in germany etc.

Maybe only in Budapest but not in Hungary.

[Blondie]

I know, mother of Stears is always complaining about them. She seem one of Hungarians with huge dislike for Ukrainians.

I don't know any ukrainian, the problem is these new nigerian migrants + gypsies in Budapest. I think ukrainians are still better than these.

[Jana]

I don't know any ukrainian, the problem is these new nigerian migrants + gypsies in Budapest. I think ukrainians are still better than these.

Nigerians??!

[Universe]

Russian living standard improved a lot since Soviet Union fell. Their gdp per capita is slightly higher than Croatian and comparable to Hungarian if I am not mistaken.
Also in Russia you have huge business opportunities in certain sectors like energy where literally you can make huge money. It comes with such large land mass - big country big opportunities.

Belarus is pretty decent too, I'm sure it has better living standard and quality of life than many Balkan countries.
They kept remnants of socialist system like free education, health care...unemployment rate is very low and it's among cleanest and safest Euro countries with decent infrastructure.

They don't have a lot compared to EU countries and can't really travel but there aren't many homeless and dirt poor people in Belarus. Most of them have their basic needs covered and live pretty secure stress free life.

Ukraine on the other hand is third world country with high crime rate, political turmoil, ongoing conflict in the east, HIV epidemics, and huge povertry issues.
It's European Africa along with few other unlucky countries.

Russia in 90s to early 00s was super poor, with world's highest homicide and suicide rates. So what if they don't have bad gdp/capita? Neither does Poland, yet there are millions of who Poles prefer to live in western Europe, I'm not blaming them though, that's not my point here. The laws in east-slavic countries as well as in Western Europe are simply not in favor of westwards East-slavic migration otherwise there would've been mass exodus of Russians in 90s and 00s which would continue still to this day. If East slavs were EU members since year 2000 there would be probably 5 million east slavs in Western Europe, if not more.

[Universe]

I know, mother of Stears is always complaining about them. She seem one of Hungarians with huge dislike for Ukrainians.

Where does she meet Ukrainians? I have't met any in Kecskemét, even though they supposedly have a presence here due to mercedes factory. My father sometimes complains about Hungarian immigrants from Romania and calls them "román" (at the same time he insists Transylvania is "erdély" not Romania xD )

[Jana]

Russia in 90s to early 00s was super poor, with world's highest homicide and suicide rates. So what if they don't have bad gdp/capita? Neither does Poland, yet there are millions of who Poles prefer to live in western Europe, I'm not blaming them though, that's not my point here. The laws in east-slavic countries as well as in Western Europe are simply not in favor of westwards East-slavic migration otherwise there would've been mass exodus of Russians in 90s and 00s which would continue still to this day. If East slavs were EU members since year 2000 there would be probably 5 million east slavs in Western Europe, if not more.

True. Didn't Poles started returning home though now that their standards improved significantly?


Where does she meet Ukrainians? I have't met any in Kecskemét, even though they supposedly have a presence here due to mercedes factory. My father sometimes complains about Hungarian immigrants from Romania and calls them "román" (at the same time he insists Transylvania is "erdély" not Romania xD )

She met them somewhere near Tapolca (Stears grew up there), where they worked in some factory too. She complained how loud they were and that they have "Slavic baloon faces" xD
PS she is funny because she looks Slavic with round face too and Neo-Danubian/Baltid phenotype xD

Joke aside, her main complaint was how loud and "uncivilised" they were during bus rides.

[Blondie]

Nigerians??!

Yes, 99% of local blacks are nigerians, most of these new nigerians are drug dealers, criminals but blacks who were born here are normal with european mentality, some were adopted by white parents when they were childs.

[TheMaestro]

Ugly communists

[Rumata]

Lukashenka is weird af. It sounds feminine to me.
Maybe because of the -a ending which is very often used for words in feminine gender. Imho, his surname is composed of
Lukash (name?) + enko (an usual Ukrainian ending)
and the ending -o in my parts is pronounced as a sound intermediate between O an A. It seems like in Belarusian language it's more like A.

Well, if we analyzed his nicknames, there's nothing femininine about them.
From supporters: bat'ka (father)
From haters: cockroach

[Rumata]

Ugly communists

Unfortunately, his regime is far from communist.

[The Lawspeaker]

Why would people that appreciate European Culture support ideologies that replace the European people?


As if we even have a genuine res publica --- let alone a democracy.

[Rumata]

Bosnia is in the middle of EU territory and has lots of migrants passing through it from it's eastern neighbors (since SE Europe borders Asia).

Belarus was never told anything in regards to making migrant camps (unlike Bosnia) and no migrant would think about traveling such a distance all the way to the third (or fourth?) poorest country in Europe.

But either way, if some leftist pro-western politician replaces Lukashenko, then Belarus still won't be getting non-European immigrants. Even many countries part of the EU (such as Latvia or Estonia) much richer than Belarus don't get non-European immigration so I'm not sure why you want to portray this issue as something relevant to Belarus. There are other social issues that are far more important.
And "Belarus was never told anything" because much fortunately it isn't a globalists' bitch and this is one of the most important things these days.

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-20sPtbXHO4

In today's video we're taking a look at the current election protests and demonstrations taking place in Belarus. The Belarusian president Lukashenko is facing serious backlash for the first time, and this might be a pivotal moment for the history of the entire Post-Soviet scape.

[Ülev]

Former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko recorded a video message to the current Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko. He also urged the country's authorities, together with partners in the "Lublin Triangle" (Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland), to appoint a special representative for Belarus. He, according to him, could contribute to the settlement of the situation in the country.




https://youtu.be/iBUwcBtWnic

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https://youtu.be/mlywGKeRJ7M


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https://youtu.be/5UZXBRMy3Gs




:rolleyes:

[Rumata]

The opinion of bloody and widely cursed by own people Petro Poroshenko is extremely important here, Vasiliy. Keep up your job.

[Ülev]

The opinion of bloody and widely cursed by own people Petro Poroshenko is extremely important here, Vasiliy. Keep up your job.

Muscovy united Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine in the past, they can repeat it


можем повторить

[Rumata]

Muscovy united Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine in the past, they can repeat it

Vasiliy, I will gladly fight for Belarus with you if you wish so, but not before the globalists are down OK? Just because otherwise these country names will be "an empty sound".

[Roy]

there will be a few kind of vaccine, good for Westerners, average for CE and bad for Easterners (with RFID chip) :rolleyes:

Masz kciuka w górę, pamiętliwy szlachcicu!

[Smaug]

Yes, and as long as he is in power Belarus will always be a backwater country.

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-20sPtbXHO4

In today's video we're taking a look at the current election protests and demonstrations taking place in Belarus. The Belarusian president Lukashenko is facing serious backlash for the first time, and this might be a pivotal moment for the history of the entire Post-Soviet scape.

But, there was already a "velvet revolution" in Armenia (2018), and there we didn't see the riot police beating people up. Much more civilized, and the power was transferred nonviolently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn2Pq_tBrZ0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QixLfDCizxQ

[Rumata]

But, there was already a "velvet revolution" in Armenia (2018), and there we didn't see the riot police beating people up. Much more civilized, and the power was transferred nonviolently.


It's strange you came to compare the most civilized and non-violent humanoids in universe with Belorussians. Your modesty spoke, I guess.

[PAGANE]

What is the reason for the defeat of the Belarusian revolution?
Any successful coup lies in the ability of its organizers to capture and correctly link several of the main driving factors of any revolution. And this requires the mandatory presence of a revolutionary situation in the country, the presence of a secret organization and a charismatic person capable of leading a color revolution. It must start unexpectedly, with a tough, uncompromising plan of action. An idea that can capture the masses and clear slogans, active external support and reliance on internal financial resources are imperative. Only a combination of all these factors together can give a positive result. Let's start from the beginning and point by point.
1. There was no trace of a revolutionary situation in Belarus. Unlike its partners in Asiopa, the country is successfully developing, increasing its production capacity, managing not to sell a single piece of its poor national treasure. The country has almost no natural resources, but at the same time it has the highest level of medicine and education, retains broad social guarantees for its rather old population. Most Belarusians, especially in rural areas, like it. Periodically letting off steam in cities, in such a situation the upper classes can rule indefinitely.
2. Belarus is an authoritarian country with a rigid vertical of power, focused on a charismatic President, who has been tightly controlling the entire power space for 26 years. Under such conditions, it is practically impossible to create an opposition party to him, and even more so a secret organization capable of challenging "Batka/ Daddy". All the security forces are personally devoted to him and it is simply not realistic for the "conspirators" to win from him on the street. The autocrat can be replaced by another national leader only by relying on the resources (financial, media, power) of a neighboring state. As in Ukraine ...
3. I must admit that the franchise for color revolutions is morally outdated - all the surprises in it are known to everyone. The experience of Turkey, Venezuela, Iran, Russia and Kazakhstan shows that autocrats have learned to deal with it and ... to warn.
4. The slogan "Tired" cannot unite the Belarusians, among whom there are many who are not tired of it. The stakes of the organizers of the Belarusian Maidan on the "weak woman" Tikhanovskaya, who, as the leader of the opposition, were unable to formulate either the Goals or the Program of the movement, are unsuccessful. At the key moment of the revolution, she simply fled to the West, urging the protesters to disperse, thereby turning the color revolution into a senseless riot. The organizers of the protest, located in Warsaw and Lithuania, could not explain either to her or to the Belarusians against whom or why they should build barricades in Minsk.
5. The general Belarusian strike at state enterprises, on which the organizers of the protests are now betting, will not be able to take place a priori. To remain without work now with a wolf ticket is like death. Only the state sector is holding back the growth of unemployment in Belarus.
At the time of the coronavirus and the impending chaos in their own economies, Western countries are not up to the coalition condemnation of Lukashenka's methods. They themselves will soon have to deal with harsh suppression of rallies on the streets of their own cities.
6. We must pay tribute to Lukashenka, he acts one step ahead of the recommendations of the coordinators from Moscow and Warsaw. So he was able to anticipate the situation in advance, which is an indicator of the excellent work of his special services. Furthermore. The extreme cruelty of his guardsmen in suppressing the riot forced all men to hide in their homes, putting defenseless women instead of themselves, which to some extent discredits the Belarusian revolution in the future.
And further. The main feature of Belarus, unlike Ukraine, Russia or Kazakhstan, is that there are no oligarchic groups inside the country, billionaires like Akhmetov, Potanin or Kulibayev, who officially got rich from plundering national natural resources or appropriating its main banking system. In "soviet" Belarus, they simply do not exist - "Batka/ Daddy" has long erased anyone who tried to become one into the camp dust. Therefore, you cannot intimidate Old Man with street protests - without a coordinating national organization and its feeding by the oligarchs rushing to power, any revolution will fizzle out very quickly.


In this post, I do not at all consider the issue of the legitimacy of "Batka/ Daddy" reign
But to bring people to the streets for direct confrontation with the dictatorial regime in such unfavorable conditions means to lead them to the slaughter and beating with truncheons of the faithful Old Man OMON and VV. The final effect of the Belarusian revolution will be extremely negative for the country as a whole. All this will only play in favor of Putin and his FSB

[Rumata]

Now pro Kremlin media is full with anti-Lukashenko articles.
Which should point where the globalists really sit.

[Armenian Bishop]

It's strange you came to compare the most civilized and non-violent humanoids in universe with Belorussians. Your modesty spoke, I guess.

Well, I'm not sure what you're saying, but I was saying that Armenians could transfer the power of leadership peacefully, in 2018. It's a more civilized way of doing it, than what we've just seen happen in Belarus, with the police beating up unarmed protesters. Anyway, Putin likes Armenia, it's Russia's one true ally in the South Caucasus, and I'm sure you know that. Here, take a look at this: Russia's Putin and Armenia's Pashinyan smiling and shaking hands. And, please enjoy our marching bands, they come to Moscow to entertain Russians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S3vrYES0js


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhMqUgRWARY

[kundur]

Armenia would be long gone. Russian state just utilizes right tools to keep Yerevan under control. That is to say, Armenian conflict with Azerbaijan over the illegally occupied Nagorno/Karabagh region is leveraged by Mr. Putin who clearly gives Armenians the message that, should Armenians ever try to proceed with a Soros-funded color revolution, Azerbaijani troops would be unleashed upon Armenia. That is quite terrifying scenario for Armenia.

As for Belarus protests, international medias today report that Lukashenko is taking back control of the situation and protests are fading away after the post-election flare. Belarus remains under firm Eastern Slavic control.

[Armenian Bishop]

Armenia would be long gone. Russian state just utilizes right tools to keep Yerevan under control. That is to say, Armenian conflict with Azerbaijan over the illegally occupied Nagorno/Karabagh region is leveraged by Mr. Putin who clearly gives Armenians the message that, should Armenians ever try to proceed with a Soros-funded color revolution, Azerbaijani troops would be unleashed upon Armenia. That is quite terrifying scenario for Armenia.

As for Belarus protests, international medias today report that Lukashenko is taking back control of the situation and protests are fading away after the post-election flare. Belarus remains under firm Eastern Slavic control.

Don't litter this place with walls of garbage, please! :picard2:

[Voskos]

One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned.The day the Turkish state of Germany sends its troops to Greece I'm gonna be forced to migrate to either Minsk or Moscow in order to live in dignity.

[Rumata]

Well, I'm not sure what you're saying, but I was saying that Armenians could transfer the power of leadership peacefully, in 2018. It's a more civilized way of doing it, than what we've just seen happen in Belarus, with the police beating up unarmed protesters.
I mean you have a whole section for your unnecessary boasts here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?199-Armenia
Is it not enough for you?? Here it's off topic and rather a sly one.


Anyway, Putin likes Armenia, it's Russia's one true ally in the South Caucasus, and I'm sure you know that. Here, take a look at this: Russia's Putin and Armenia's Pashinyan smiling and shaking hands.
Honestly, I'm not surprised you're pleased with favors of criminals.


And, please enjoy our marching bands, they come to Moscow to entertain Russians.

Why do the march there? To distract locals from the problems Pusin and his friends are making?

[Rumata]

A very well known jornalist and youtuber Andrey Karaulov has hold a voting on youtube. The question was:

Do you trust the authorities?

His results:

Voted: 2 244 147

Yes: 2%
No: 98%

In Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17yi7E48a6Y

[EuropeanVlachSon]

Thats what I stated here, go back some pages.

But he asked why people here tend to oppose democracies.

Do you see the violence that people receive? Even women? Is not even Russia, Putin is chill compared with that fucked up guy, he beats everyone because they... protest? The protests are not even that violent like in Ukraine.

[Ion Basescul]

Now pro Kremlin media is full with anti-Lukashenko articles.
Which should point where the globalists really sit.

I've already said elsewhere before that the interests of the opposition (both pro-EU and pro-Kremlin), EU and Russia have aligned.
This is the more obvious when one considers that the Nexta channel with 1.5m subscribers, and where messages are seen by about 800k people within 5 min at most, is hosted on Telegram.
Russia would have found ways to shut it down a long time ago, if it wanted to preserve Lukashenko's regime.
They hope to put a better puppet in his place, in order to continue the integration effort into the Union State. Lukashenko was hesitant to continue with this, but also didn't want to open up too much to the West.
The pro-EU opposition hopes to have a government that will make them drift away from Russia.

[Finnish Swede]

Do you see the violence that people receive? Even women? Is not even Russia, Putin is chill compared with that fucked up guy, he beats everyone because they... protest? The protests are not even that violent like in Ukraine.

Those who criticizes western ''free elections'' and ''free speeches''.... should keep this in minds.

[Rumata]

I've already said elsewhere before that the interests of the opposition (both pro-EU and pro-Kremlin), EU and Russia have aligned.
This is the more obvious when one considers that the Nexta channel with 1.5m subscribers, and where messages are seen by about 800k people within 5 min at most, is hosted on Telegram.
Russia would have found ways to shut it down a long time ago, if it wanted to preserve Lukashenko's regime.
...
Wait, but who controls Telegram? I know little about this software.

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA2baKykMN4

Chaos erupts following an allegedly rigged election in Belarus. Alexander Lukashenko has been president since 1994. And many suspect his victory over opposition leader Svetlana Tikhanouskaya was fake. Protests have erupted in Minsk and are being cracked down on. How will the US respond?

[Teutone]

Do you see the violence that people receive? Even women? Is not even Russia, Putin is chill compared with that fucked up guy, he beats everyone because they... protest? The protests are not even that violent like in Ukraine.

Why you point out violence against women specifically?

Voilence against men and women makes no difference in a time where women call for equality, they deserve to be treated equal even in bad aspects.

[Tooting Carmen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA2baKykMN4

In answer to the last question: hopefully by minding their own business and letting the Bielorussians sort out their own mess.

[Armenian Bishop]

I mean you have a whole section for your unnecessary boasts here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?199-Armenia
Is it not enough for you?? Here it's off topic and rather a sly one.


Honestly, I'm not surprised you're pleased with favors of criminals.


Why do the march there? To distract locals from the problems Pusin and his friends are making?

Wow! I thought we were friends! And, some very long time ago, you sent me a private message complaining about a time when I down-voted something from you. By the way, you conveniently ignored the many times I upvoted your comments. Well, here's another one then, since you're so hostile. :picard2:

Another thing: It's very relevant what I said! I was replying to Lawspeaker, and he understood right away; but, you seem to have a xenophobic problem against Armenians, which I didn't notice much in the past. My point was that Armenians peacefully transformed their government, and it'd be nice to see that happen in Belarus.

[KirillMazur]

He is. But being a dictator is not necessarily negative.
I agree - for some reason comrades do not take into account such a possible situation when the goals of the dictator and the people coincide in the long term. If you're lucky.
Conversely, democracy (the political superstructure of capitalism) in the absence of competing systems is unlikely to be interested in the development of its own population. Rather the opposite.

[The Lawspeaker]

In answer to the last question: hopefully by minding their own business and letting the Bielorussians sort out their own mess.


Makes me wonder whether you had said the same thing when the tyrant had been pro-Western. A kind of Ceatano, Noriega, Marcos, Pinochet, Videla or Chun Doo-hwan. You don't need to answer. We already know the answer: you would have screamed for immediate intervention. Russian, Cuban or Chinese intervention, of course.

To me, tyrants of any sort are evil and that includes our own so if we can help them by deposing their tyrant, then maybe they can scratch our back at a later date. Up the Revolution !

[Tooting Carmen]

Makes me wonder whether you had said the same thing when the tyrant had been pro-Western. A kind of Ceatano, Noriega, Marcos, Pinochet, Videla or Chun Doo-hwan. You don't need to answer. We already know the answer: you would have screamed for immediate intervention. Russian, Cuban or Chinese intervention, of course.

To me, tyrants of any sort are evil and that includes our own so if we can help them by deposing their tyrant, then maybe they can scratch our back at a later date. Up the Revolution !

I'm not sure Lukashenko is particularly pro or anti-Western. More likely isolationist. Although he used to be strongly aligned with Russia, I don't believe that has been the case for a while. But the main point is: where do you draw the line when it comes to foreign interventions? Whatever Lukashenko's failings and abuses, I regard the Chinese and Saudi regimes as rather greater threats to world peace and basic decency, but of course we wouldn't ever do anything about them as the former are too powerful and the latter (at least on the surface) too pliant.

[Voskos]

Are there any estimates on the number of the rioters?And why do people care about a liberal riot in Belarus and not say, people not having a shelter or dying of starvation, or not having to pay for their cancer treatment in western countries?This sort of hypocrisy is ridiculous.

[The Lawspeaker]

I'm not sure Lukashenko is particularly pro or anti-Western. More likely isolationist. Although he used to be strongly aligned with Russia, I don't believe that has been the case for a while. But the main point is: where do you draw the line when it comes to foreign interventions? Whatever Lukashenko's failings and abuses, I regard the Chinese and Saudi regimes as rather greater threats to world peace and basic decency, but of course we wouldn't ever do anything about them as the former are too powerful and the latter (at least on the surface) too pliant.
Belarus is part of the Russian sphere of influence. Intervening would bring a country into the Western sphere of influence and increase our own security. You know this and that's why you're not in favour of intervening.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/2000px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png

We shouldn't want to go back to the pre-1989 precarious situation so the further our own security can advance, the better.

[Rumata]

Belarus hadn't attacked USA, so USA have nothing to "respond" to.

What they really should "respond" to is their own internal mess that is bigger than Belarussian.

[Tooting Carmen]

Belarus is part of the Russian sphere of influence. Intervening would bring a country into the Western sphere of influence and increase our own security. You know this and that's why you're not in favour of intervening.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg/2000px-History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg.png

We shouldn't want to go back to the pre-1989 precarious situation so the further our own security can advance, the better.

Who says I have any love for Russia? It is a bastion of tyranny and backwardness and always has been. Gorbachev was one of the great leaders of the 20th century not just for bringing down communism, but for being a rare example of a Russian leader who actually has integrity and humanity.

[Rumata]

We shouldn't want to go back to the pre-1989 precarious situation so the further our own security can advance, the better.

It's funny that you can't stop about moving borders even when Bill Gates is at your doorstep.

[The Lawspeaker]

It's funny that you can't stop about moving borders even when Bill Gates is at your doorstep.


With his Leftist ideas that were planted in the West by the KGB as Bezemov explained to Western audiences as far back as 1984.

[The Lawspeaker]

Who says I have any love for Russia? It is a bastion of tyranny and backwardness and always has been. Gorbachev was one of the great leaders of the 20th century not just for bringing down communism, but for being a rare example of a Russian leader who actually has integrity and humanity.
You're a Leftist - after all.

[Rumata]

Wow! I thought we were friends! And, some very long time ago, you sent me a private message complaining about a time when I down-voted something from you. By the way, you conveniently ignored the many times I upvoted your comments. Well, here's another one then, since you're so hostile. :picard2:

Another thing: It's very relevant what I said! I was replying to Lawspeaker, and he understood right away; but, you seem to have a xenophobic problem against Armenians, which I didn't notice much in the past. My point was that Armenians peacefully transformed their government, and it'd be nice to see that happen in Belarus.

1. We've never been friends even though there was time when I hoped for normal communication but then I realised that your exessive ethnic loyalty won't let it be.
2. My "complain" was exactly before I realised what I've stated above ^. Rather it was my regret for your behaviour. Of course the regret wasn't abou a down vote per se, but it was about your reason for doing it.
3. Up and down votes don't stricly correlate with sympathies. Let's omit this ridiculous subject.
4. You have a problem of pracing your nation everywhere even without any reason. Lawspeaker wants more post-Soviet territories to depend on the West and it's not Armenian that first did it but the Baltic states. Also almost nonviolently.

Anyway, in every country or respublic the situation was different so it doesn't make much sence to compare. And I hope you don't mean ridiculous things like Belarussian people were more violent than any other.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not to depend on the West but not to depend on the whims of Moscow. Plus: I think we should return favours as this KGB-injected social marxism destabilised Europe and the whole West, it should definitely be unleashed on its home country as well. A weak Russia that can no longer support such movements, gives the people here the breathing space to set our own house back in order.

[Rumata]

With his Leftist ideas that were planted in the West by the KGB as Bezemov explained to Western audiences as far back as 1984.

The globalists who now use leftism for their own sake mostly reside in the West.

[The Lawspeaker]

The globalists who now use leftism for their own sake mostly reside in the West.


It started in Russia. Let's bring it home.

[Rumata]

Not to depend on the West but not to depend on the whims of Moscow. Plus: I think we should return favours as this KGB-injected social marxism destabilised Europe and the whole West, it should definitely be unleashed on its home country as well. A weak Russia that can no longer support such movements, gives the people here the breathing space to set our own house back in order.

So your idea of your problems stemming mostly from KGB and FSB is firm it seems.

[The Lawspeaker]

So your idea of your problems stemming mostly from KGB and FSB is firm it seems.


It's not like the West wasn't warned.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not to depend on the West but not to depend on the whims of Moscow. Plus: I think we should return favours as this KGB-injected social marxism destabilised Europe and the whole West, it should definitely be unleashed on its home country as well. A weak Russia that can no longer support such movements, gives the people here the breathing space to set our own house back in order.

Which is why we in the West should be as utterly self-sufficient as possible in terms of energy supply - so we no longer have to rely on Putin and various mullahs and Arab princes. (In particular, nuclear energy will have a big part to play in this, and that is something that both Greens and nimbyish conservative types have got utterly wrong).

[Rumata]

It started in Russia. Let's bring it home.

OK man, it's Russians who fostered Karl Marks. Bring us back communism.

[The Lawspeaker]

OK man, it's Russians who fostered Karl Marks. Bring us back communism.


You already have communism. It's just without the trappings but the whole economy is run by ex-KGB and ex-party.

[Finnish Swede]

I agree - for some reason comrades do not take into account such a possible situation when the goals of the dictator and the people coincide in the long term. If you're lucky.


And what happens if you are unlucky? Whose goals will bat away then? And for how long time: 20 years, 50years, 100 years? At that period dictatorship will need to develop more and more authoritarian form ... just to stay in power.

[Rumata]

You already have communism. It's just without the trappings but the whole economy is run by ex-KGB and ex-party.

Oh, I've forgotten that you have an own definition of communism. Terms usage ruins our dialogue.
Being a party member doesn't make one a communist obviously.

[The Lawspeaker]

Oh, I've forgotten that you have an own difinition of communism. Terms usage ruin our dialogue.
Being a party member doesn't make one a communist obviously.

Actually: that is communism: communism is feudalism with the aristocracy (friends of the old boss) replaced with the party nomenklatura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura). (a.k.a friends of the new boss).

[Tooting Carmen]

Actually: that is communism: communism is feudalism with the aristocracy (friends of the old boss) replaced with the party nomenklatura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura). (a.k.a friends of the new boss).

I suppose you could say the difference between right-wing autocracies and left-wing ones is that the former seek to maintain old elites, while the latter seek to create new ones.

[Finnish Swede]

I suppose you could say the difference between right-wing autocracies and left-wing ones is that the former seek to maintain old elites, while the latter seek to create new ones.

In the end ... what means to average people ... are their own lifes and how tight the ropes are in their necks. Not some ''academic discussions'' about terms. Terms alone means nothing, concreteness opposite does.

[The Lawspeaker]

I suppose you could say the difference between right-wing autocracies and left-wing ones is that the former seek to maintain old elites, while the latter seek to create new ones.


And if one really has to choose: I'd rather take my orders from the Devil I know. You'll get .... over anyway.

[Rumata]

Actually: that is communism: communism is feudalism with the aristocracy (friends of the old boss) replaced with the party nomenklatura (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura). (a.k.a friends of the new boss).

Thanks for the deep analyses of my country from Netherlands.

[The Lawspeaker]

Thanks for the deep analyses of my country from Netherlands.

The criciticm originally came from within but, yes, dissidents were either imprisoned, killed or exiled in the Fourth Reich a.k.a USSR.

[Rumata]

The criciticm originally came from within but, yes, dissidents were either imprisoned, killed or exiled in the Fourth Reich a.k.a USSR.

Guru, you've forgotten to add RF there.

[The Lawspeaker]

Guru, you've forgotten to add RF there.


The RF ? The Russian Federation ? The USSR by another name.

[Rumata]

The RF ? The Russian Federation ? The USSR by another name.

Truly so. I'm ashamed to have been so stupid as not to realise it before.

[Rumata]

As we know now, the USSR tries to suppress a part of forme USSR called Belarus which retaines the most of Soviet characteristics (of all parts).

[The Lawspeaker]

Vladolf Putler just wants to keep little Soviet Empire together.

[Rumata]

Lukashenko vs USSR. Interesting...

[Satem]

Truly so. I'm ashamed to have been so stupid as not to realise it before.

You got enlightned by Flying Dutch
How do you feel now?

[Rumata]

You got enlightned by Flying Dutch
How do you feel now?

Like this:

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2f25fbdff4f4fc78fe4621785f67fbcb6881f358204654a88c 8ac0fa8e7c45a9.jpg

[Rumata]

And of course I feel more communist than ever before because I'm Russian.

[PAGANE]

there are no political elites in Belarus, there is a chasm between town and country (70% of Belarusians are urban residents)

[KirillMazur]

And of course I feel more communist than ever before because I'm Russian.
To confuse communism with the dictatorship of capital, which does everything possible to blacken the real leftist ideas in the minds of the broad masses - it's:picard2:. Even the ideologue of Russian capitalism, Anatoly Chubais, said in 1993 - "The purpose of the destruction of the USSR is to create a class of effective owners of the means of production, which the socialist system did not allow."
Excellent communism, without collectivism and social guarantees, without public consumption funds, with a deteriorated education (replacement with bourgeois religion instead of knowledge) and paid medicine, and almost without industry, but with a new class of bourgeois and a purely capitalist phenomenon of labor migration. And the promotion of a market approach to everything that is possible. At least the Soviet housing was left in the property, and thanks for that.
This is the Western vision of communism taught in the 2 week "Young Fighter with Communism" course in the West:).

Regarding Belarus. They are unable to independently maintain the level of social guarantees without Russian subsidies. And they do not want to give them up - it was not for nothing that they promoted superiority in the standard of living over Russia all these years.
The industry of Belarus has always been, in fact, the final chain of the Soviet industry and was focused on Russia. Now the Russian Federation has implemented all this at home and no longer needs Belarusian factories. Out of old friendship, Russia regularly placed orders, loading the Belarusian industry. If Belarus leaves for Europe, then this entire industry is immediately cut into scrap metal, releasing a huge number of unemployed. Plus, Russia recently built a new nuclear power plant in Belarus, and it will also have to be closed. The experience of Ukraine does not teach anyone, while Belarus is poorer in resources and population and has a less favorable location.
The Belarusians want independence from Russia, but they do not want to give up subsidies. Within the framework of the union state, Russian capital will take control over the Belarusian capital, which Lukashenko does not want so much, which is why he is sabotaging this project (he wants Russian subsidies and friendship with the West at the same time).
In the worst case, there will be a Ukrainian scenario, in the (neutral) case Lithuanian and Latvian (a demographic catastrophe and the need to populate these lands again in 30 years), at best - unification with Russia into a union state with the preservation of the population, industry and social guarantees.

[Finnish Swede]

To confuse communism with the dictatorship of capital, which does everything possible to blacken the real leftist ideas in the minds of the broad masses - it's:picard2:. Even the ideologue of Russian capitalism, Anatoly Chubais, said in 1993 - "The purpose of the destruction of the USSR is to create a class of effective owners of the means of production, which the socialist system did not allow."
Excellent communism, without collectivism and social guarantees, without public consumption funds, with a deteriorated education (replacement with bourgeois religion instead of knowledge) and paid medicine, and almost without industry, but with a new class of bourgeois and a purely capitalist phenomenon of labor migration. And the promotion of a market approach to everything that is possible. At least the Soviet housing was left in the property, and thanks for that.
This is the Western vision of communism taught in the 2 week "Young Fighter with Communism" course in the West:).

Regarding Belarus. They are unable to independently maintain the level of social guarantees without Russian subsidies. And they do not want to give them up - it was not for nothing that they promoted superiority in the standard of living over Russia all these years.
The industry of Belarus has always been, in fact, the final chain of the Soviet industry and was focused on Russia. Now the Russian Federation has implemented all this at home and no longer needs Belarusian factories. Out of old friendship, Russia regularly placed orders, loading the Belarusian industry. If Belarus leaves for Europe, then this entire industry is immediately cut into scrap metal, releasing a huge number of unemployed. Plus, Russia recently built a new nuclear power plant in Belarus, and it will also have to be closed. The experience of Ukraine does not teach anyone, while Belarus is poorer in resources and population and has a less favorable location.
The Belarusians want independence from Russia, but they do not want to give up subsidies. Within the framework of the union state, Russian capital will take control over the Belarusian capital, which Lukashenko does not want so much, which is why he is sabotaging this project (he wants Russian subsidies and friendship with the West at the same time).
In the worst case, there will be a Ukrainian scenario, in the (neutral) case Lithuanian and Latvian (a demographic catastrophe and the need to populate these lands again in 30 years), at best - unification with Russia into a union state with the preservation of the population, industry and social guarantees.

Why Belarus did not get free from Russia opposite to Finland 1917 or to Baltic countries late 90's? Just because Belarus has never been independence. Not in real. And leadership is puppet of Moscow.

Ukraine conflick showed that the same was not "allowed" to them either.

[KirillMazur]

Why Belarus did not get free from Russia opposite to Finland 1917 or to Baltic countries late 90's? Just because Belarus has never been independence. Not in real. And leadership is puppet of Moscow.

Ukraine conflick showed that the same was not "allowed" to them either.
Because Belarus is the western part of Russia, inhabited by mentally Russian people, in contrast to the Carpathian and part of the right-bank Ukraine and the Baltic states.
In addition to complete economic and geopolitical dependence.

[Rumata]

To confuse communism with the dictatorship of capital, which does everything possible to blacken the real leftist ideas in the minds of the broad masses - it's:picard2:. Even the ideologue of Russian capitalism, Anatoly Chubais, said in 1993 - "The purpose of the destruction of the USSR is to create a class of effective owners of the means of production, which the socialist system did not allow."
Excellent communism, without collectivism and social guarantees, without public consumption funds, with a deteriorated education (replacement with bourgeois religion instead of knowledge) and paid medicine, and almost without industry, but with a new class of bourgeois and a purely capitalist phenomenon of labor migration. And the promotion of a market approach to everything that is possible. At least the Soviet housing was left in the property, and thanks for that.
This is the Western vision of communism taught in the 2 week "Young Fighter with Communism" course in the West:).
This guy Lawspeaker just has an own definition of communism.


Regarding Belarus. They are unable to independently maintain the level of social guarantees without Russian subsidies. And they do not want to give them up - it was not for nothing that they promoted superiority in the standard of living over Russia all these years.
The industry of Belarus has always been, in fact, the final chain of the Soviet industry and was focused on Russia. Now the Russian Federation has implemented all this at home and no longer needs Belarusian factories. Out of old friendship, Russia regularly placed orders, loading the Belarusian industry. If Belarus leaves for Europe, then this entire industry is immediately cut into scrap metal, releasing a huge number of unemployed. Plus, Russia recently built a new nuclear power plant in Belarus, and it will also have to be closed. The experience of Ukraine does not teach anyone, while Belarus is poorer in resources and population and has a less favorable location.
The Belarusians want independence from Russia, but they do not want to give up subsidies. Within the framework of the union state, Russian capital will take control over the Belarusian capital, which Lukashenko does not want so much, which is why he is sabotaging this project (he wants Russian subsidies and friendship with the West at the same time).
In the worst case, there will be a Ukrainian scenario, in the (neutral) case Lithuanian and Latvian (a demographic catastrophe and the need to populate these lands again in 30 years), at best - unification with Russia into a union state with the preservation of the population, industry and social guarantees.
I don't get it. Do you mean the best way for Belarus is to join the putinist Russia?

Concerning Belarssuan industry, I'm far from an expert but here's a link to the Kremlen's site yandex.zen where Belarussian and Russian (or rather Chinese?) tractors are compared. Please, take a look at the comments section (found in 1 minute):
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/tractor/sravnivaem-minitraktory-rossiiskii-i-belorusskii-5c5080fde96d7a00aec3ac07

[Rumata]

The principal difference between RF and Belarus is the former has a "coronavirus pandemic" while the latter doesn't. That alone might well "justify" any disaster that may happen to rfians. And it does justify some already.

[Jumala]

The only people who would ever think that it's good to live under a dictatorship are the people who've only ever lived under a democracy.

[Ülev]

(...)Lukashenko has rejected the possibility of foreign mediation, proposed in particular by Poland and two Baltic countries. (...)
https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/15/lukashenko-calls-putin-as-demonstrators-gather-once-again-in-belarus


Russia has reportedly offered to assist Belarus' government in ensuring security, amid the seventh day of anti-government protests sparked by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko's controversial election win.
https://www.dw.com/en/belarus-lukashenko-claims-russia-is-ready-to-help-ensure-security/a-54580276

it reminds me of that:


https://youtu.be/sUlxvU_b3pc

[Ülev]

^^

https://youtu.be/mL2bhLOYDoo


https://youtu.be/_-MrVcxkR3w

[Ülev]

Waszczykowski: Łukaszenka wybiera scenariusz Kaddafiego. A mógł wybrać scenariusz Jaruzelskiego
Waszczykowski (former foreign minister of Poland): Lukashenka chooses Gaddafi's scenario. And he could have chosen Jaruzelski's (military officer, politician and de facto dictator of communist Poland from 1981 until 1989) scenario
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Jaruzelski

https://www.polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2020-08-14/waszczykowski-lukaszenka-wybiera-scenariusz-ceauescu-czy-kaddafiego/

[щрбл]

Communist shitheads are fatally going one by one. It's really not easy for them in 2020.
Hopefully this one doesn't kill too many innocent people whilst being flushed down the toilet.
:rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu54ydFkufc

In today's video we're talking about the current situation with the election protesters in Belarus surrounding the president Lukashenko. The protesters are experiencing serious cases of police brutality, and the OMOH is literally torturing detained protesters. Let's discuss it.

[Crn Volk]

Serbia in support of Lukashenko;

https://www-peacefare-net.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.peacefare.net/2020/08/15/serbias-turn-east/amp/

[Rumata]

Only a fool or an enemy would want Belarus to go the way of Ukraine and to belong to the international capital.

Lawspeaker, better go count how many painful deaths caused the man-made and false corona pandemic - product of capitalism.

[Rumata]

double

[Rumata]

The Russian big pro Kremlin journalist M. Simonyan called " the polite people" (nickname for the forces that took Crimea) to meddle in Belarus.

In Russian:
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/08/14/margarita-simonyan-prizvala-vezhlivykh-lyudey-navesti-poryadok-v-belorussii.html

[dududud]

Who cares, the important thing is to know if he is doing a good job for his people.

[Rumata]

Cars knocking down Belarussian policemen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djURBHyypvA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn04DsrLRwE

[PAGANE]

Regarding the events in Belarus, a few facts:
1994 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests. No one outside Eastern Europe knows where this country is, except that it is "somewhere around Russia."
2001 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2006 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2010 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2015 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2020 The global Pavid19 pandemic is sweeping the world. Belarus is the ONLY country in Europe (and perhaps in the world) that does NOT declare a lockdown. Life goes on, good, bad, with this virus and many other viruses, happy or sad - it goes on.
2020 Lukashenko wins the election. Belarus in world news NUMBER 1. Bloody protests, squares, front pages, Breaking News, protesters roar, apocalypse in general, Beirut turnips to eat.
Has anyone met Belarusians picking fruits and vegetables or washing their butts in the US or the EU? So much for Lukashenko's dictatorship!
P.S. And one issue with reduced difficulty: in recent years in the following countries were organized Maidans - Ukraine, Iraq, Libya, Syria. Has life there improved or worsened? "

[kundur]

Putin took Crimea, but after all of Ukraine was gone. Russia similarly took Abkhazia and Ossetia, but also after Georgia was all gone. This time Russia cannot afford seeing Belarus being gone. It would really be a situation like the ''Enemy at the Gates''. The problem of Russia is that it cannot stabilize its frontiers to the west, there are regions which constantly keep changing hands.

[Rumata]

The enemy has long been "inside the gates" and now tries to attack Lukashenko from the east too. The Ukrainian scenario served the big purpose of alienating and weakening the two brotherly peoples which was achieved.

[Satem]

Regarding the events in Belarus, a few facts:
1994 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests. No one outside Eastern Europe knows where this country is, except that it is "somewhere around Russia."
2001 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2006 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2010 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2015 Lukashenko wins the election. There are no protests.
2020 The global Pavid19 pandemic is sweeping the world. Belarus is the ONLY country in Europe (and perhaps in the world) that does NOT declare a lockdown. Life goes on, good, bad, with this virus and many other viruses, happy or sad - it goes on.
2020 Lukashenko wins the election. Belarus in world news NUMBER 1. Bloody protests, squares, front pages, Breaking News, protesters roar, apocalypse in general, Beirut turnips to eat.
Has anyone met Belarusians picking fruits and vegetables or washing their butts in the US or the EU? So much for Lukashenko's dictatorship!
P.S. And one issue with reduced difficulty: in recent years in the following countries were organized Maidans - Ukraine, Iraq, Libya, Syria. Has life there improved or worsened? "

The last part of your post sounds like you tell people to not even try to live better and give up, they tried we'll see how it ends that's it. What are you trying to imply giving comparisons with totally different cases(they all have connections to different situations).

We have more and more Belarusians(even in my <20k city you can meet plenty of them at night) in Poland and if Belarusians wouldn't need visa there would be as much Belarusians as Ukrainians(which is about 2 milion before covid stuff if you don't know) and even further in EU, but they need to get visa which can be hard in Belarus. Of course it doesn't mean it's all Lukashenko fault though, it can also fault of politicians that didn't have any other ideas than taking loans in Russia.

In 2010 there were also protests
https://belarusfeed.com/most-massive-protest-belarus-plosca-2010-eight-years-ago/
The most important part of the article

On December 19, 2010, Minsk became the ground for the most massive protest in the history of independent Belarus. According to various estimates, between 15,000 to 40,000 people gathered in the downtown to protest the results of the fourth presidential election.

I agree that media overestimate the topic a bit, but that's how media works, they create overestimated news just to have more view, bought newspapers etc

[kundur]

France declared support to protests.




PARIS (Reuters) - The European Union should support demonstrations in Belarus following the country’s presidential election, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Sunday.

“The European Union must continue to be mobilised in support of the hundreds of thousands of Belarusians who are protesting peacefully for the respect of their rights, liberty and sovereignty,” Macron said on his Twitter feed.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-election-france/eu-must-support-peaceful-belarus-protesters-frances-macron-says-idUSKCN25C0T9

[Jana]

Opposition in Belarus is by no means homogenous - not all of them are pro EU and anti Russian elements. Only thing uniting them is being anti- Lukashenko.

[Rumata]

France declared support to protests.

Naturally the whole of the globalist filth is the enemy of the few sovereign states that still exist.

[Rumata]

Belarus reminds the late USSR where people were tired of stagnation and searched changes without thinking that they could be for worse. Yet they were for worse. Now it's more clear than ever that the soveregnity isn't something to be exchanged for imaginary improvements that the globalists have to offer.

[Dragoon]

France declared support to protests.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-election-france/eu-must-support-peaceful-belarus-protesters-frances-macron-says-idUSKCN25C0T9

Hypocrites. Thats the thing I hate about the West.
The French had their own protests and the police was brutal too.
The media wasnt barking about democracy.

[Rumata]

Plexi,

https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/EU_budget_net_contributions_jJnxF0M.png

[akva]

I believe my friends from Belarus who call him a dictator and tyrant.
Lukashenko is now fully showing how indifferent it is to people's lives. Belarusians hate him.

[Rumata]

Two meetings.
Red and green and white flags - the official flag of Belarus.
Red and white flags - the flag of opposition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuU7reqp9LQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TySUwo7rfH8

[Tannhauser]

https://www.dw.com/en/belarus-live-updates-fractures-form-in-diplomatic-elite/a-54606687

Belarus live updates: Fractures form in diplomatic elite
Belarus' ambassador to Slovakia is stepping down after siding with protesters calling for President Alexander Lukashenko's resignation. Four other diplomats have also abandoned their posts. Follow DW for the latest.

https://www.dw.com/image/54589329_303.jpg
Protesters hold a red and white banner in Belarus

Germany renews calls for a "national dialogue" between Alexander Lukashenko and the opposition
Belarus' ambassador to Slovakia has stepped down after declaring his support for protesters
EU leaders are to hold an emergency summit on Belarus on Wednesday where they might consider wider sanctions
All updates in Universal Coordinated Time (UTC/GMT)

16:22 The EU should do everything to avert violence in Belarus — but also make clear it is not trying to expand its zone of influence, the head of Germany's parliament, Wolfgang Schäuble, told DW in an exclusive interview.

"Because, the way things are in Belarus right now — you can feel it — it cannot continue," he said.

16:05 People have been gathered outside the National Arts Museum in Minsk in protest of the election results for much of the day. Tuesday marks ten days of continuous protests in the country. Cultural workers have been among those who have been loudly critical of Alexander Lukashenko since the election, which they say was rigged.

The signs read "Genocide?" and "It hurts me too"
https://www.dw.com/image/54613298_401.jpg
Women gather outside of a Minsk museum (Reuters/V. Fedosenko)
The signs read "Genocide?" and "It hurts me too"

15:45 Sweden's Foreign Minister Ann Linde has confirmed the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), a 57-member alliance of which Belarus is a member, would be willing to help conduct dialogue between factions in Belarus.

Sweden is the incoming chair of the organization. Linde said on Twitter she had "offered a visit by the OSCE in order to establish a dialogue with the opposition" to her Belarusian counterpart.


15:10 Russian President Vladimir Putin has spoken with Alexander Lukashenko by phone, Belarusian state-owned news agency Belta reported. Putin told Lukashenko about earlier phone calls with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, where they urged Putin to foster "calm and dialogue" in Belarus.

Putin has warned against any foreign influences in the former Soviet state. This phone conversation marks the fourth in five days, after Putin offered Lukashenko Russian military aid over the weekend.

15:00 US President Donald Trump has said he would talk to Russia "at the appropriate time" regarding the situation in Belarus.

At a White House event, Trump described the protests as "peaceful" and added "I like seeing democracy. It doesn't seem like it's too much democracy in Belarus.

14:35 President Lukashenko has announced he has deployed military units to Belarus' western borders, the state-owned Belta news agency reported. The defense ministry said they performed flights along the western border to protect the country's airspace.

Additionally, the embattled president denounced the launch of an opposition coordination council, telling Belta that it would be met with strict measures.

"We see it unequivocally: It is an attempt to seize power," Lukashenko said.


The country's interior ministry also acknowledged that a "small part" of the nation's police force has quit since protests began and urged more not to follow suit.


14:05 German Chancellor Angel Merkel's foreign affairs spokesman has confirmed to DW that Germany could take up a role as mediator in the Belarus crisis if asked.

"It's obvious that the elections were manipulated," Jürgen Hardt told DW. "We have so many hints of the manipulation of the elections that new elections are necessary."

"I would appreciate if the European Union itself would take this role of a negotiator or a mediator between the conflict parties," he added. "But if others ask for German politicians to do that for the German chancellor, I think we should step into that role."

Historian Karl Schögel told DW Belarus was seeing an "amazing, European moment — that is not getting enough attention in Germany. He said the protests could see real regime change in Belarus.

Watch video02:21
Germany sees echoes of own past in Belarus
13:50 Alexander Lukashenko has awarded medals for "impeccable service" to law enforcement officials who worked to crack down on protesters over the last 10 days.

In an effort to clamp down on nationwide strikes, Lukashenko's government also issued a message to state-run factories telling them to ensure that workers fulfill their duties.

13:15 EU Council President Charles Michel has spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the situation in Belarus, hours after Putin warned Germany's Merkel against foreign interference in Belarus.

"Only peaceful and truly inclusive dialogue can resolve the crisis in Belarus," Michel wrote on Twitter.


13:10 Protesters have rallied at a prison in Minsk where the husband of Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya is being held, on the tenth day of consecutive protests.

Hundreds of people gathered outside the detention birthday and sang "Happy Birthday" to popular blogger Siarhei Tsikhanouski, who was turning 42.

His wife chose to run after her husband, who has spoken out against President Lukashenko's regime, chose to contest the presidential election after her husband was detained.

Tsikhanouskaya, currently in Lithuania, has denounced the "rotting system" in Belarus.

People let off balloons outside a Belarus prison (Reuters/V. Fedosenko)
Protesters let off balloons to mark the birthday of imprisoned blogger Siarhei Tsikhanouski in Minsk

12:25 Lithuania's parliament has overwhelmingly voted for economic sanctions against President Lukashenko's regime in Belarus.

"Today, Lithuania's parliament unanimously passed a resolution refusing to recognize the results of the elections in Belarus and Lukashenko as a legitimate President, calling for free and democratic elections and to sanction those responsible for electoral forgery and inconceivable brutalities," Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius wrote on Twitter.


The sanctions were supported in a vote of 120-0 with two abstentions. Further details of the sanctions were not immediately shared.


11:19 Belarus has seen major disruptions in internet service since the disputed presidential election, with rights groups accusing the government of censorship. To get around the restrictions, many are turning to privacy apps. Read more here.

11:02 Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia Igor Leshchenya says he is stepping down after declaring his support for anti-Lukashenko demonstrators, according to independent news portal Tut.by. Four other diplomats have followed suit.

Leshchenya said resigning from his post was the "logical step" after he recorded a video message backing the protest movement over the weekend.

"I stand in solidarity with those who peacefully protested on the streets and in the cities of Belarus to make their voices heard," the ambassador said in the video.

Slovakian Prime Minister Igor Matovic has offered Leshchenya asylum in the event that he is not able to return to Belarusia.

Alexander Lukashenko casts his vote
BELARUS IN CRISIS
Allegations of vote fraud
Alexander Lukashenko declared a landslide victory in presidential polls on August 9. According to the official count, the 65-year-old won 80% of the votes while his main challenger, Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, got only 10%. Lukashenko's opponents accuse him of rigging the vote to secure a sixth term after 26 years in power.

10:30 German Chancellor Angela Merkel has stressed that Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko must move towards talks with the opposition "in order to overcome the crisis."

The chancellor made the comments in a phone call to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Merkel stressed that "the Belarusian government must put a stop to violence against peaceful protesters, release all political prisoners immediately and engage in a national dialogue with the opposition and society," her spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

Read more: EU emergency summit on Belarus: What's at stake?

In a statement, the Kremlin said Putin warned Merkel that foreign interference in the ex-Soviet state would be unacceptable and could escalate the situation.

Belarusians have been protesting for 10 consecutive days against the results of the August 9 presidential election. Lukashenko claimed a landslide win, but the opposition accuses him of rigging the vote to secure a sixth term in office. The international community has widely condemned the election process and the subsequent police crackdown on demonstrators. At least two people have died in the violence and thousands of others have been arrested.

https://www.dw.com/en/belarus-live-updates-fractures-form-in-diplomatic-elite/a-54606687

[Rumata]

Bitch solidarity - the phenomena where one who is devoted to bitching can't stand decent people around and tries to make them like him/her.

[Finnish Swede]

I believe my friends from Belarus who call him a dictator and tyrant.
Lukashenko is now fully showing how indifferent it is to people's lives. Belarusians hate him.

So what if Belarusians hates him? When anybody has asked anything from them/Belarusians? This is tradition/norm in East (it is not western country).
He is power as long as Moscow support him.

[Rumata]

He is power as long as Moscow support him.

It doesn't. Please open your western eyes.

[Finnish Swede]

It doesn't. Please open your western eyes.


If he would not .... strange ''green men'' would be there. But Moscow does not want to do that .... before it is their last card.

[Satem]

There is another option

Lukashenka regime falls -> democratic elections are held -> Russians get thier hidden candidate for example Victor Babariko that had many good deals with them and is very popular among Belarusians(some people know him for "good changes" in Belarus economy and as philantropist) -> Babariko as corrupted president makes everything Russia wants from economical side

Protests may actually be good from Russian perspective

[akva]

So what if Belarusians hates him? When anybody has asked anything from them/Belarusians? This is tradition/norm in East (it is not western country).
He is power as long as Moscow support him.
Some here consider him a good ruler and don't see the seriousness of the situation in Belarus now. Belarusians took to the streets to express their civic position. They do their utmost.
Go to protest in a post-Soviet country is already heroism. Don’t compare it to your femenist protests.

[Smeagol]

Yes and one of the best modern day world leaders.

[Finnish Swede]

Go to protest in a post-Soviet country is already heroism. Don’t compare it to your femenist protests.

Why not?

But I someway agree; to get slavics protests anything/something, they will need much more shits over their bodies (behaving more like bunnies as those goes down)

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/scared-rabbit-rabbits-small-mammals-family-leporidae-order-lagomorpha-found-several-parts-world-43157354.jpg

.... versus for example French farmers.

[Kamal900]

A good dictator, yes.

[Tooting Carmen]

one of the best modern day world leaders.

How on earth so?

[Rumata]

There is another option

Lukashenka regime falls -> democratic elections are held -> Russians get thier hidden candidate for example Victor Babariko that had many good deals with them and is very popular among Belarusians(some people know him for "good changes" in Belarus economy and as philantropist) -> Babariko as corrupted president makes everything Russia wants from economical side
Indeed the Babariko's wife already seeks support in RF and EU (in Russian (https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/vz.ru/news/2020/8/18/1055747.html?promo=navbar&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com)).
And if Babariko managed to please Kremlin, I think the globalists would be fine with him too.


Protests may actually be good from Russian perspective
I urge you not to confuse the interests of Kremlin and of us. Because Lukashenko has a most sincere support of many Russians against any (any) possible intruder.

[Ülev]

https://belaruspartisan.by/politic/509676/

[Rumata]

If he would not .... strange ''green men'' would be there. But Moscow does not want to do that .... before it is their last card.

Really? These "beautiful men" been in Minsk before elections, been caught there and been sent back to RF.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drHUFK3Jci8

If you still thinks Kremlin supports Lukashenko, here're the news of Rambler. I've google-translated the tittles:


Lukashenka caught cheating

Panin, who left Russia, found a job

Lukashenka sent missiles to the border

"Come in large numbers": half-naked tourists in Sochi filmed

The conflict in Belarus has entered another phase

The famous singer died tragically live

"I don't see the future here!": Kafelnikov will leave the Russian Federation

Why Hitler Orchestrated the Genocide of the Jews

"Tikhanovskaya turns out now my mom"

Not a man's friend: a dog took a family with a child hostage in Russia

Russian beat an official with a stick in his office

Belarusian special forces beat up "Wagnerites"

A giant anomaly looms over the Earth

https://i.ibb.co/q9rRYPv/rambler.jpg

[Rumata]

But I someway agree; to get slavics protests anything/something, they will need much more shits over their bodies (behaving more like bunnies as those goes down)

Talking in the name of people welcoming multi-culti migrants and who when getting fucked up by them try to call the police, aren't you?

[Finnish Swede]

Talking in the name of people welcoming multi-culti migrants and who when getting fucked up by them try to call the police, aren't you?

Are we now talking about people or leaders?

[Rumata]

Are we now talking about people or leaders?

You've started talking about peoples. I've replied accordingly.

[Finnish Swede]

You've started talking about peoples. I've replied accordingly.

Yes, I did. My point was that you opposite leaders.

[Rumata]

Yes, I did. My point was that you opposite leaders.

Then I have to say that your victims of the politic of your leaders didn't look good either. Whether you oppose your politics or cheer them.

P. S. No more Engrish.

[Finnish Swede]

Then I have to say that your victims of the politic of your leaders didn't look good either. Whether you oppose your politics or cheer them.

P. S. No more Engrish.

Better than average Belarussians or Russians for sure. All the way from year 700.

[Rumata]

Better than average Belarussians or Russians for sure. All the way from year 700.

You sound like an expert in pulp. Good Swede.

[Finnish Swede]

You sound like an expert in pulp. Good Swede.

Lets talk then you have gotten free of Putin, okey? But any kind of ''Arab spring'' will never happen in Russian, Belarussia.

[Rumata]

Lets talk then you have gotten free of Putin, okey?
OK, be happy with you analogue of Merkel, whatever you have there for a leader.


But any kind of ''Arab spring'' will never happen in Russian, Belarussia.
And New Swedistan.

[Rumata]

Lets talk then you have gotten free of Putin, okey?
OK, be happy with you analogue of Merkel, whatever you have there for a leader.


But any kind of ''Arab spring'' will never happen in Russian, Belarussia.
And New Swedistan.

[Roy]

OK, be happy with you analogue of Merkel, whatever you have there for a leader.


And New Swedistan.

Sweden still is more safe to live than Russia.

[Roy]

There is another option

Lukashenka regime falls -> democratic elections are held -> Russians get thier hidden candidate for example Victor Babariko that had many good deals with them and is very popular among Belarusians(some people know him for "good changes" in Belarus economy and as philantropist) -> Babariko as corrupted president makes everything Russia wants from economical side

Protests may actually be good from Russian perspective

As likely as Covid-19 being a secret weapon conspiracy.

[Rumata]

Sweden still is more safe to live than Russia.

Perhaps. But Belarus is still less safe to die fast than most of Europe, imo.

[Finnish Swede]

OK, be happy with you analogue of Merkel, whatever you have there for a leader.
DDR woman? Hardly.


And New Swedistan.
Sad and bad for you (if you are not rare oligarch)... as being poor today and also staying poor tomorrow.

[Rumata]

As likely as Covid-19 being a secret weapon conspiracy.

This is how Sochi looks now:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D0%BF%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%B6%20%D0%B2%20%D1%81%D0 %BE%D1%87%D0%B8%202020
This is all while we are being scared to death by this "Covid". And the figures of new cases now are the same as in the spring and summer when the region was locked and paralized. And there's a ton of such inconsistencies. Please don't be a fool.

[Rumata]

DDR woman? Hardly.

Someone NORDIC for you, I guess.


Sad and bad for you (if you are not rare oligarch)... as being poor today and also staying poor tomorrow.

Poor Swedistanis are sad too. The new Swedistanis reproduce faster.

[Finnish Swede]

Someone NORDIC for you, I guess.
You classify her as a Nordic?



Poor Swedistanis are sad too. The new Swedistanis reproduce faster.

Do I feel sad as I consider to move there again ... in next coming months?

There is nothing to celibrate in Russians population development either.

[Rumata]

You classify her as a Nordic?

I meant the leader of Swedistan. I'm sorry about not knowing his / her / ? name. Swedistan makes DDR Merkel look pale concerning migrant politics.

[Finnish Swede]

I meant the leader of Swedistan. I'm sorry about not knowing his / her / ? name. Swedistan makes DDR Merkel look pale concerning migrant politics.

You meant him?
https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/GettyImages-823408044-714x476.jpg

Nah, I support him:
https://static-cdn.sr.se/sida/images/161/1298402_1200_854.jpg
If I move (permanently) into Sweden I might join into his political party.

[Rumata]

You meant him?
Nah, I support him:
If I move permanently into Sweden I might join into his political party.

Who cares? Your people democratically chose to live in New Swedistan. That's it. Good night and take a gun care.

[Finnish Swede]

Who cares? Your people democratically chose to live in New Swedistan. That's it. Good night and take a gun care.

A gun care? Will that help against your submarines?

[Rumata]

A gun care? Will that help against your submarines?

Take care. And don't ignore the "strike" tag. I'm out.

[Ülev]

music break


https://youtu.be/37l7P5V1eXU

[Ülev]

^^
https://learnsongs.ru/song/igor-rasteryaev-russkaya-doroga-79181

[Roy]

Is Lukashenka a reptilian?

[Serbian Eagle]

No

[Rumata]

Globalists can't let Lukashenko go on making the falsness of Corona terror obvious.

The analysys of a German politician in German and translated in Russian:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED3gxzd6oqw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf96K9arL18

[akva]

Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny in coma with suspected poisoning
http://www.dw.com/en/russia-alexei-navalny-poisoning/a-54629657

Navalny has been poisoned today when he was returning from Tomsk to Moscow. He only drank tea in the morning at the airport cafe.

A few days ago he is accused of uprising in Belarus by Lukashenko...

[Rumata]

A few days ago he is accused of uprising in Belarus by Lukashenko...

It's a very important detail. And the fact that Navalny has exposed and accused the whole Putin's regime for many years is nothing. Doesn't someone need martyrs?

[Satem]

Doesn't someone need martyrs?

Nope, I have one and it's Jesus himself. We all need Jesus in our lives

[Rumata]

Nope, I have one and it's Jesus himself. We all need Jesus in our lives

I had no doubts about you. To tell the truth, I didn't plan to poison Navalny either.

[FinalFlash]

I don't know who this Lukasenka character is.

[Rumata]

They say in Ukraine these times a rare person would confirm his participation in Maidan of Kiev. I wonder if it's true and why.

[Ülev]

high standards :)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/europe/navalny-poison-russia.html

Aleksei Navalny Hospitalized in Russia in Suspected Poisoning

[Rumata]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/europe/navalny-poison-russia.html

Aleksei Navalny Hospitalized in Russia in Suspected Poisoning

Vasily, akva has posted this news a few posts above.

Enjoy your beer.

[Ülev]

Vasily, akva has posted this news a few posts above.

Enjoy your beer.

man, I am too busy now, you know ... in the army

[Rumata]

man, I am too busy now, you know ... in the army

Look, avoid drinking Putinka there.

[Ülev]

Look, avoid drinking Putinka there.

I can go fat, never drunk, ya know

https://a.uguu.se/embokp.jpg

https://a.uguu.se/mphlfl.jpg

it's BLM army, not the Russian one

[Rumata]

I can go fat, never drunk, ya know

it's BLM army, not the Russian one

I'm sorry man. I thought you were still in Estonian army with all your beer around...

BLM is a hard choice. Please go on posting as you can.

[Finnish Swede]

high standards :)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/europe/navalny-poison-russia.html

Aleksei Navalny Hospitalized in Russia in Suspected Poisoning


Norm day ....