G25 East Slavic ancient calculator

[Jana]

Slavic_invader,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569 ,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Slavic_invader,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078 ,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.103579,-0.004062,0.099183,0.076874,-0.001846,0.009761,0.007755,0.019384,0.0045,-0.028793,0.023871,-0.007343,0.016353,-0.014038,-0.00285,-0.009281,-0.007302,-0.005701,-0.003268,-0.000125,0.014474,-0.003462,0,0.001928,0.001317
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.099026,-0.081242,0.117662,0.084626,-0.028313,-0.001394,-0.00094,0.009,0.001432,-0.036994,0.038648,-0.005095,0.032705,-0.016377,-0.004343,0.002784,0.012908,0.005574,-0.010684,0.004127,0.018592,0.005564,-0.003944,-0.002289,-0.001317
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.10927,-0.016248,0.095789,0.079781,-0.003385,0.01506,0.00611,0.017768,0.006954,-0.033531,0.029555,-0.016186,0.011001,-0.015964,-0.003529,-0.008088,-0.011474,-0.005954,-0.012947,0.002001,0.019965,0.002102,-0.006655,0.007109,0.00467
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.105855,-0.042652,0.110496,0.075905,-0.015387,0.010877,0.011751,0.010615,0.002045,-0.022051,0.04011,-0.004646,0.019029,-0.026699,-0.015472,0.000663,0.005737,-0.006588,-0.00264,-0.002626,0.013601,-0.011623,0.003821,0.00964,-0.001317
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.127482,0.089367,0.102954,0.102 391,0.035083,0.03263,0.00799,0.016153,-0.007158,-0.046835,0.011205,-0.019782,0.02884,0.000275,-0.005293,0.008221,0.021513,0.000633,-0.000628,0.006128,-0.000125,0.000247,-0.00456,-0.01687,0.001916
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.126344,0.102568,0.09692,0.0907 63,0.04647,0.02259,0.00799,0.017076,0.020248,-0.033349,0.00747,-0.005995,0.030773,0.015827,-0.011401,0.016971,0.016559,0.002027,0.005656,0.016 383,0.007237,-0.001607,-0.00419,-0.013134,-0.001317
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.129758,0.118817,0.087492,0.098 192,0.041854,0.041276,0.009165,0.010384,-0.003681,-0.031527,0.005034,-0.020532,0.02334,0.016928,-0.004886,-0.008088,0.013299,-0.002154,0.000377,0.013882,0.008735,-0.01014,0.003081,-0.013134,-0.003113
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.130897,0.118817,0.09692,0.0820 42,0.033237,0.030399,0.014101,0.006692,0,-0.039727,0.000974,-0.002098,0.015609,0.022432,-0.006379,0.014585,0.009257,0.003674,0.001508,0.005 378,0.000749,-0.003462,0.006779,-0.010242,-0.006347
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.130897,0.101553,0.088623,0.090 763,0.050471,0.027889,0.00141,0.013846,0.006136,-0.041003,0.007307,-0.017085,0.017691,0.002752,-0.012079,0.013126,0.00691,-0.005954,0.006536,0.014507,0.014724,-0.000742,0.010599,0.003133,-0.001078
NE_Euro_preSlavic,0.127482,0.107646,0.090509,0.094 316,0.053856,0.038766,0.017626,0.014769,-0.003681,-0.025695,0.000487,-0.007194,0.016947,0.031103,0.005429,0.004375,-0.004694,-0.002154,0.006285,0.01088,0.005116,0.001484,0.0054 23,-0.020605,-0.002994
Kavkaz,0.110408,0.129988,-0.053174,-0.0323,-0.045239,-0.003068,0.011516,-0.009692,-0.060335,-0.021139,0.000487,0.001199,-0.011596,-0.00523,0.011943,-0.002784,0.01369,0.005448,-0.001508,0.011881,0.016221,0.002226,-0.002465,-0.000482,0.001796
Kavkaz,0.104717,0.121864,-0.050157,-0.026486,-0.040623,-0.001116,0.0094,-0.009692,-0.052154,-0.031527,0.003085,0.006145,-0.013825,0.000413,0.001357,0.001061,0.017211,-0.003167,-0.001257,0.013882,0.010107,-0.000618,-0.005423,-0.00012,0.001557
Kavkaz,0.102441,0.127957,-0.059208,-0.043282,-0.055703,-0.00502,0.010105,-0.005307,-0.062993,-0.021322,0.006983,0.005545,-0.02438,0.000688,0.002036,-0.009149,0.014212,-0.003041,-0.00905,0.017884,0.004866,0.004081,0.001725,-0.014821,-0.010059
Kavkaz,0.101303,0.123895,-0.063356,-0.042636,-0.044624,-0.011435,0.007285,-0.003,-0.060744,-0.019681,-0.001137,0.010341,-0.024083,-0.005367,0.000679,0.001989,0.024643,-0.007475,-0.010182,0.023261,0.012852,-0.001731,0.002958,-0.016388,-0.003832
Kavkaz,0.103579,0.132019,-0.062225,-0.040052,-0.048932,-0.011156,0.013396,-0.009461,-0.058903,-0.018953,0.007632,0.01169,-0.021853,0.003303,0.004207,-0.020949,0.006389,-0.005574,-0.013827,0.019885,0.003244,0.001113,0.003574,-0.01205,-0.007424

[Teutonski]

Can you do it 4 me pls

[Jana]

Target: Belarusian
Distance: 1.3044% / 0.01304445

81.0 Slavic_invader
18.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.4 Kavkaz

Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 1.1264% / 0.01126447

84.6 Slavic_invader
9.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
6.4 Kavkaz

[Jana]

Can you do it 4 me pls

I don't have your coordinates. And this won't work for you but I will make you your own ancient model if you want.

[Jana]

southern Russia

Target: Russian_Orel
Distance: 1.0007% / 0.01000656

69.4 Slavic_invader
24.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
6.0 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 1.1969% / 0.01196853

63.2 Slavic_invader
30.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
6.6 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 1.2484% / 0.01248410

75.0 Slavic_invader
20.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.8 Kavkaz

[Jana]

central Russia

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.1068% / 0.01106826

50.0 Slavic_invader
47.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
3.0 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Tver
Distance: 1.2586% / 0.01258552

48.8 Slavic_invader
46.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.6 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 1.5946% / 0.01594580

76.8 Slavic_invader
20.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
2.8 Kavkaz

[Jana]

Very satisfied with fantastic fits. Goal of this calculator is obviously to determine amount of early Slavic and pre-Slavic admixture in eastern Slavs.

[Jana]

northern Russia

Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.5187% / 0.01518718

65.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic
34.2 Slavic_invader

[17571imre]

i added a Balkan sample and Germanic sample for me and my mother:

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 1.9984% / 0.01998359
34.2 BGR_IA(Paleo_Balkan)
31.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic
27.0 Slavic_invader
4.4 DEU_MA(Germanic)
2.6 Kavkaz

Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.5175% / 0.01517543
33.8 Slavic_invader
33.2 BGR_IA(Paleo_Balkan)
26.4 DEU_MA (Germanic)
6.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.2 Kavkaz

very good results.

[Jana]

NE European preSlavic consists of Iron Age samples from Baltic states and Finland. They range from being Latvian/Estonian like to Karelian and Saami like.
Slavic invader consists of 2 early Slavic samples from Hungary and Russia, and these 2 should always be used because they are very pure (in Polish-Ukrainian range)
Kavkaz is based on Maykop samples that range from being Abkhazian like to Georgian like.

I used only one Avar_Szolar sample to measure Slavic input (Av_02), because other sample is mixed with Germanic.

[gixajo]

With your sources:

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 9.7420% / 0.09741992
74.2 Slavic_invader
25.8 Kavkaz

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 10.4616% / 0.10461625
69.6 Slavic_invader
30.4 Kavkaz

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 9.8727% / 0.09872720
76.8 Slavic_invader
23.2 Kavkaz




I add to your sources those ones for Iberians:



Iberia_North_BA:I1840,0.127482,0.155376,0.059585,0 .003553,0.077245,-0.005299,-0.005405,0.003,0.034565,0.052484,-0.001624,0.014687,-0.020664,-0.018166,0.001764,0.018563,0.021122,0.002027,0.002 137,0.005628,0.010856,0.003586,-0.004067,-0.034463,0.010059
Iberia:North_BA:I2470,0.120652,0.158423,0.05506,0. 000969,0.062781,-0.007251,-0.00141,0.004384,0.041927,0.057951,-0.002761,0.007793,-0.016353,-0.011147,0.001357,-0.006497,-0.01369,0.011655,-0.005405,-0.014507,0.010606,0.001484,-0.012325,-0.0241,-0.002036
Iberia:North_BA:I2471,0.126344,0.155376,0.058077,-0.001292,0.063704,0.00251,0.000235,0.013153,0.0255 65,0.048839,-0.004384,0.010191,-0.018583,-0.005643,0.006107,-0.001193,-0.004042,0.006968,-0.005908,-0.002001,0.005989,0.011747,-0.009983,-0.003976,0.00455
Iberia:North_BA:VAD001,0.12862,0.147252,0.053174,0 .008398,0.070475,0,-0.011516,0.007384,0.033746,0.058862,-0.003085,0.011839,-0.020515,-0.027112,0.007465,0.014585,0.022296,-0.003547,-0.012318,0.003502,0.014474,0.010016,-0.007641,-0.017111,0.001317
Iberia:North_BA:VAD004,0.120652,0.15436,0.052043,0 .006783,0.06155,-0.007809,0.004935,0.002308,0.030679,0.058133,-0.005034,0.007643,-0.034192,-0.011698,0.015201,-0.010475,0.002217,0.005701,0.009427,-0.01038,0.006738,0.006306,-0.005669,-0.012411,0.010418
Iberia:North_BA:VAD005,0.121791,0.157407,0.055437, 0.008721,0.072013,0.003347,-0.00188,-0.007154,0.03845,0.053942,-0.008931,0.005845,-0.015163,-0.018854,0.007057,0.013657,0.026729,0.006714,0.005 028,0.002626,0.006364,0.000742,-0.016392,-0.022172,-0.001796
MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
MAR_Taforalt:TAF010,-0.193499,0.083273,-0.03017,-0.088502,0.034776,-0.055499,-0.076378,0.019384,0.163619,0.008565,0.02111,-0.030573,0.07879,-0.046104,0.077496,-0.046141,-0.00665,-0.069805,-0.144176,0.036518,-0.042924,-0.129217,0.07629,-0.015303,0.018322
MAR_Taforalt:TAF011,-0.194638,0.085304,-0.021873,-0.088825,0.026774,-0.059961,-0.072148,0.019845,0.161165,0.002551,0.016564,-0.035818,0.080574,-0.051196,0.066367,-0.037523,0.012126,-0.071199,-0.14493,0.035767,-0.041427,-0.12662,0.068279,-0.011447,0.018441
MAR_Taforalt:TAF013,-0.196914,0.082258,-0.026398,-0.088502,0.032314,-0.057173,-0.074733,0.017768,0.156665,0.002369,0.02111,-0.036717,0.077898,-0.052159,0.072746,-0.038584,0.000913,-0.069552,-0.141285,0.039894,-0.035687,-0.125384,0.075428,-0.011206,0.020477
MAR_Taforalt:TAF014,-0.201467,0.079211,-0.018479,-0.083011,0.034468,-0.055499,-0.076848,0.014538,0.162596,0.002005,0.020461,-0.029374,0.078344,-0.054223,0.066503,-0.025192,0.017602,-0.063724,-0.151215,0.04127,-0.042176,-0.126126,0.077153,-0.014339,0.012693


Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.9145% / 0.01914508
77.8 Iberia
11.0 Kavkaz
8.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic
2.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.2784% / 0.02278439
79.8 Iberia
13.2 Kavkaz
4.0 MAR_Taforalt
3.0 Slavic_invader

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0977% / 0.02097746
78.8 Iberia
11.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
7.6 Kavkaz
2.2 MAR_Taforalt

[Chris596]

Really? I expected like 5-10% but not this much.

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.7515% / 0.03751468
75.2 Slavic_invader
24.8 Kavkaz

[Jana]

Really? I expected like 5-10% but not this much.

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.7515% / 0.03751468
75.2 Slavic_invader
24.8 Kavkaz

This isn't going to work for Hungarians. I tought that was obvious.

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 9.6979% / 0.09697946
71.0 Slavic_invader
29.0 Kavkaz

With Iberian Samples:


Iberia_North_BA:I1840,0.127482,0.155376,0.059585,0 .003553,0.077245,-0.005299,-0.005405,0.003,0.034565,0.052484,-0.001624,0.014687,-0.020664,-0.018166,0.001764,0.018563,0.021122,0.002027,0.002 137,0.005628,0.010856,0.003586,-0.004067,-0.034463,0.010059
Iberia:North_BA:I2470,0.120652,0.158423,0.05506,0. 000969,0.062781,-0.007251,-0.00141,0.004384,0.041927,0.057951,-0.002761,0.007793,-0.016353,-0.011147,0.001357,-0.006497,-0.01369,0.011655,-0.005405,-0.014507,0.010606,0.001484,-0.012325,-0.0241,-0.002036
Iberia:North_BA:I2471,0.126344,0.155376,0.058077,-0.001292,0.063704,0.00251,0.000235,0.013153,0.0255 65,0.048839,-0.004384,0.010191,-0.018583,-0.005643,0.006107,-0.001193,-0.004042,0.006968,-0.005908,-0.002001,0.005989,0.011747,-0.009983,-0.003976,0.00455
Iberia:North_BA:VAD001,0.12862,0.147252,0.053174,0 .008398,0.070475,0,-0.011516,0.007384,0.033746,0.058862,-0.003085,0.011839,-0.020515,-0.027112,0.007465,0.014585,0.022296,-0.003547,-0.012318,0.003502,0.014474,0.010016,-0.007641,-0.017111,0.001317
Iberia:North_BA:VAD004,0.120652,0.15436,0.052043,0 .006783,0.06155,-0.007809,0.004935,0.002308,0.030679,0.058133,-0.005034,0.007643,-0.034192,-0.011698,0.015201,-0.010475,0.002217,0.005701,0.009427,-0.01038,0.006738,0.006306,-0.005669,-0.012411,0.010418
Iberia:North_BA:VAD005,0.121791,0.157407,0.055437, 0.008721,0.072013,0.003347,-0.00188,-0.007154,0.03845,0.053942,-0.008931,0.005845,-0.015163,-0.018854,0.007057,0.013657,0.026729,0.006714,0.005 028,0.002626,0.006364,0.000742,-0.016392,-0.022172,-0.001796

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.7960% / 0.02796001
74.6 Iberia
16.0 Kavkaz
9.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[Chris596]

This isn't going to work for Hungarians. I tought that was obvious.

I didn't know it (seriously).

[Jana]

I didn't know it (seriously).

It won't work because you need Balkan/Roman samples to model your southern European input. But you can use these Kavkaz samples to model your Caucasus admixture which you have.

[Chris596]

It won't work because you need Balkan/Roman samples to model your southern European input. But you can use these Kavkaz samples to model your Caucasus admixture which you have.

Alright :) My result, with the Croatian and Serbian average added as a Balkan reference:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.1061% / 0.02106102
77.0 Balkan_Serbian
16.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
7.0 Kavkaz

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.1761% / 0.02176069 | ADC: 0.25x
62.0 Balkan_Serbian
26.2 Balkan_Croatian
7.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.8 Kavkaz

[Luke35]

With the addition of Imre's sources, works nicely for my family:


BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.7431% / 0.01743129
54.8 DEU_MA (Germanic)
21.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
12.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
8.2 Slavic_invader
2.8 Kavkaz

Target: Mr.G_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.6089% / 0.02608873
24.8 DEU_MA (Germanic)
22.6 Slavic_invader
22.4 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
20.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
9.6 Kavkaz

Target: Mr.G_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0253% / 0.02025347
82.4 DEU_MA (Germanic)
17.2 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
0.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.2 Slavic_invader

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Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.7728% / 0.00772787
41.8 Slavic_invader
30.0 DEU_MA (Germanic)
19.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
7.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
1.6 Kavkaz

Target: German
Distance: 1.2182% / 0.01218155
69.4 DEU_MA (Germanic)
15.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
8.8 Slavic_invader
6.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[calxpal]

Distance to: cpalscaled
0.07037031 Slavic_invader
0.07274855 Slavic_invader
0.09130361 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.09649728 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.10352470 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.10376216 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.10619752 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.12123082 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16420341 Kavkaz
0.16791894 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17159061 Kavkaz
0.18056678 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.18702874 Kavkaz
0.18862466 Kavkaz
0.18986978 Kavkaz
0.20673535 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.25047628 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Target: cpalscaled
Distance: 5.4512% / 0.05451224
60.2 Slavic_invader
22.4 Kavkaz
17.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Interesting results

[calxpal]

With the addition of Imre's sources, works nicely for my family:


BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.7431% / 0.01743129
54.8 DEU_MA (Germanic)
21.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
12.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
8.2 Slavic_invader
2.8 Kavkaz

Target: Mr.G_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.6089% / 0.02608873
24.8 DEU_MA (Germanic)
22.6 Slavic_invader
22.4 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
20.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
9.6 Kavkaz

Target: Mr.G_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.0253% / 0.02025347
82.4 DEU_MA (Germanic)
17.2 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
0.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.2 Slavic_invader

---------------------------------------

Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.7728% / 0.00772787
41.8 Slavic_invader
30.0 DEU_MA (Germanic)
19.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
7.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
1.6 Kavkaz

Target: German
Distance: 1.2182% / 0.01218155
69.4 DEU_MA (Germanic)
15.6 BGR_IA (Paleo_Balkan)
8.8 Slavic_invader
6.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Awesome, I just tried it with Imre's sources
Target: cpalscaled
Distance: 2.8770% / 0.02876976
38.4 DEU_MA
32.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
27.2 BGR_IA
2.0 Kavkaz

[Not a Cop]

central Russia

Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.1068% / 0.01106826

50.0 Slavic_invader
47.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
3.0 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Tver
Distance: 1.2586% / 0.01258552

48.8 Slavic_invader
46.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.6 Kavkaz

Target: Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 1.5946% / 0.01594580

76.8 Slavic_invader
20.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
2.8 Kavkaz

Kostroma is NE and Smolensk is western.


Target: Rutger_scaled
Distance: 1.6399% / 0.01639936
61.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic
29.6 Slavic_invader
8.6 Kavkaz

[Not a Cop]

With Germanic

Target: Rutger_scaled
Distance: 1.6048% / 0.01604835
59.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
27.0 Slavic_invader
7.2 Kavkaz
6.8 DEU_MA

[Leto]

Not even 50% Slavic, lol

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 2.0814% / 0.02081406
48.0 Slavic_invader
42.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
9.6 Kavkaz

[Freeroostah]

Target: VangosH_scaled
Distance: 6.9337% / 0.06933716
56.4 Slavic_invader
43.6 Kavkaz

[Harald Meller]

Which samples/populations represent NE_Euro_preSlavic?

[Jana]

Which samples/populations represent NE_Euro_preSlavic?

Iron Age Estonians and Finns + Bronze Age Latvians.

[Jana]

Not even 50% Slavic, lol

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 2.0814% / 0.02081406
48.0 Slavic_invader
42.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
9.6 Kavkaz

You seen to have loads of Baltic-Finnic admixture. Very similar results of Russian_Tver average.

[Scandal]

Target: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
Distance: 2.1784% / 0.02178419
82.0 Slavic_invader
14.4 Kavkaz
3.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[oszkar07]

With German and Balkan
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2472% / 0.02247224 | ADC: 0.25x
64.2 DEU_MA
25.2 Slavic_invader
10.6 BGR_IA:I5769


Just for fun Without German Balkan
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 4.9101% / 0.04910067
85.6 Slavic_invader
14.4 Kavkaz

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 3.3710% / 0.03371045
78.0 Slavic_invader
22.0 Kavkaz

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 3.6622% / 0.03662157
80.2 Slavic_invader
19.8 Kavkaz

[Selene]

Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.8603% / 0.02860345
80.6 Slavic_invader
19.4 Kavkaz

[rothaer]

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 3.9384% / 0.03938435
71.0 Slavic_invader
17.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
11.6 Kavkaz

[Dušan]

With the addition of Imre's sources, works nicely for my family:


BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429



Very good fit with BGR_IA added.


Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.0302% / 0.01030182
52.0 Slavic_invader
35.2 BGR_IA
10.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
2.4 Kavkaz

[rothaer]

Also with Mr. G's additive:

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.6631% / 0.01663092
49.8 DEU_MA
26.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
13.4 Slavic_invader
10.4 BGR_IA

Obviously my usually 40% Slavic is composed of Slavic_invader and NE_Euro_preSlavic, which here adds up perfectly to 39.8%.

[Selene]

Target: Nixie_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.9163% / 0.00916251
55.6 Slavic_invader
23.0 BGR_IA
10.4 DEU_MA
6.2 Kavkaz
4.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[oszkar07]

G mode

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.2344% / 0.02234422
60.6 DEU_MA
27.2 Slavic_invader
12.2 BGR_IA

[alnortedelsur]

I'm not Slavic, but lets do it for fun xD

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 10.0778% / 0.10077757
50.8 Slavic_invader
37.4 Kavkaz
11.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.12940364 Slavic_invader
0.14109174 Slavic_invader
0.15525389 Kavkaz
0.16131036 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16200812 Kavkaz
0.16647637 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16758332 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16877147 Kavkaz
0.16877499 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16943590 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17130959 Kavkaz
0.17270292 Kavkaz
0.18342800 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.18448466 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.19754280 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.22072807 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.25840529 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 4.3702% / 0.04370227
87.4 Slavic_invader
12.6 Kavkaz

Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
0.05036160 Slavic_invader
0.05732512 Slavic_invader
0.08557077 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.09349955 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.09569122 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.09877938 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.10239172 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.12070764 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17215472 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17584697 Kavkaz
0.18273608 Kavkaz
0.18562692 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.19603768 Kavkaz
0.19957831 Kavkaz
0.20076020 Kavkaz
0.21627929 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.25947845 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[Far_away]

Distance: 2.2703% / 0.02270320
46.6 BGR_IA:I5769
24.0 Slavic_invader
12.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
10.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
7.4 Kavkaz

[LaSentinelle]

'Slavic invader' reporting in
Distance to: Dmitry_scaled
0.02678079 Slavic_invader
0.02781336 Slavic_invader
0.04269050 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05288226 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05383050 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05475118 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05945375 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.07306278 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.13969385 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.15331045 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.18415336 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.19189646 Kavkaz
0.20103488 Kavkaz
0.21650229 Kavkaz
0.21804565 Kavkaz
0.21806807 Kavkaz
0.22592150 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Target: Dmitry_scaled
Distance: 1.5989% / 0.01598928
67.2 Slavic_invader
28.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.8 Kavkaz

[cass]

Target: cass
Distance: 2.8718% / 0.02871764
81.8 Slavic_invader
9.4 Kavkaz
8.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[Figaro]

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 3.2764% / 0.03276429
83.2 Slavic_invader
12.4 Kavkaz
4.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[Lemminkäinen]

Be warned, I'm a Slavic invader

Target: MauriJussi1m_scaled
Distance: 2.5416% / 0.02541571
32.0 Slavic_invader
21.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
15.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
14.0 Slavic_invader
13.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
4.4 Kavkaz

Distance to: MauriJussi1m_scaled
0.04508915 Slavic_invader
0.04608999 Slavic_invader
0.04863834 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05046918 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05349377 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05736808 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.06083366 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.06718117 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.12272977 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.13561271 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.16765931 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.19910707 Kavkaz
0.20855468 Kavkaz
0.20917741 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.22455916 Kavkaz
0.22605011 Kavkaz
0.22622375 Kavkaz

[Slavic Italian]

0.07352866 Slavic_invader
0.08328303 Slavic_invader
0.10843897 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11520593 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11569474 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11691798 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.12208783 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.14049406 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.15490299 Kavkaz
0.16075022 Kavkaz
0.17302572 Kavkaz
0.17478068 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17753044 Kavkaz
0.17789113 Kavkaz
0.18736657 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.21801016 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.26035249 NE_Euro_preSlavic

Distance: 5.4039% / 0.05403860 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.4 Slavic_invader
24.6 Kavkaz

[gixajo]

...z

Add some Italian ancient samples (if you have Italian ancestry) and your fit should be better.

A distance of 5.4 indicates that something is missing to fit your coordinates well.

[Aila]

Distance to: Aila_scaled
0.05291698 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05374976 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.05926284 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.06015030 Slavic_invader
0.06086328 Slavic_invader
0.06132741 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.06561281 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.06583322 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.10148715 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11462730 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.14405722 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.18514767 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.20230130 Kavkaz
0.21235982 Kavkaz
0.22894807 Kavkaz
0.22895276 Kavkaz
0.22912924 Kavkaz

Target: Aila_scaled
Distance: 1.9245% / 0.01924499
70.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic
26.4 Slavic_invader
3.6 Kavkaz

[Beowulf]

for my Grandma:

Target: Abuela
Distance: 1.7764% / 0.01776395
81.2 Iberian
15.2 NE_Euro_preSlavic
3.6 Kavkaz

[Slavic Italian]

Add some Italian ancient samples (if you have Italian ancestry) and your fit should be better.

A distance of 5.4 indicates that something is missing to fit your coordinates well.


0.07287889 Mediterranean:Corsica
0.07352866 Slavic_invader
0.08489049 Mediterranean:Sicilian_West
0.09322713 Mediterranean:Sicilian_East
0.10843897 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11520593 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11569474 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.11691798 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.12208783 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.14049406 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.15490299 Kavkaz
0.16075022 Kavkaz
0.17302572 Kavkaz
0.17478068 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.17753044 Kavkaz
0.17789113 Kavkaz
0.18736657 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.21801016 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.26035249 NE_Euro_preSlavic



Distance: 2.6871% / 0.02687062
59.6 Mediterranean
39.8 NE_Euro_preSlavic
0.6 Slavic_invader

[gixajo]

0.07287889 Mediterranean:Corsica
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Corsica is a French island, quite Italian genetically but not representative of Italian genetics, why don´t you use a real Italian reference?

It seems you try by all means to increase your hypothetical Slavic side by minimizing your Italian ancestry.

[Slavic Italian]

Corsica is a French island, quite Italian genetically but not representative of Italian genetics, why don´t you use a real Italian reference?

It seems you try by all means to increase your hypothetical Slavic side by minimizing your Italian ancestry.

I have only one italian line. I am not minimizing anything. I have two Slavic lines as one is noble. The other is Germanic. They usually married women from the House of Holstein. The name I use is not my real name. Not even close.

[ugochaves]

NE_Euro_preSlavic, this is some kind of Baltic-Slavic-Finnish component. Slavic_invader is a southwestern originally non-Slavic admixture. The names of the calculator components are based on misconceptions about the origin of the Slavs.

[ugochaves]

A little bit to add a Ukrainian and a native of Central Europe to one component of the G25, a little to add a Russian and a Mordovian to another component of the G25 - that's the gap between the warring parties. Someone understands how Felicia deceived, who does not understand - he will be shocked by how different Ukrainians and Russians are. Ahaha

[Slavic Italian]

A little bit to add a Ukrainian and a native of Central Europe to one component of the G25, a little to add a Russian and a Mordovian to another component of the G25 - that's the gap between the warring parties. Someone understands how Felicia deceived, who does not understand - he will be shocked by how different Ukrainians and Russians are. Ahaha

Just some Finno Ugric admixture. That is what separates them.

[gixajo]

NE_Euro_preSlavic, this is some kind of Baltic-Slavic-Finnish component. Slavic_invader is a southwestern originally non-Slavic admixture. The names of the calculator components are based on misconceptions about the origin of the Slavs.

What is the real origin of slavs according to you?

[ugochaves]

Just some Finno Ugric admixture. That is what separates them.
No. If you are right, then Latvians are the most important Finno-Ugrians.

Latvian:
NE_Euro_preSlavic 80,2
Slavic_invader 19,8

Felicia used Ukrainians, Belarusians and Western Europeans for Slavic_invader, and for NE_Euro_preSlavic - these are Finns, Latvians and Russians. Thus, Russians and Ukrainians ended up in different places. I can combine (you and South Africans) - NE_Euro_preSlavic, and (Albanians with Swedes) - Slavic_invader . And you will be closer to Africa than to Europe.

These are magic tricks for children. It's time to become a real European - a man with a German inquisitive mind and Russian resourcefulness, and not a Finno-Ukrian.

[ugochaves]

What is the real origin of slavs according to you?
Genetically, the first Slavs represent a link between part of the Belarusians, Balts and Russians.

[Slavic Italian]

No. If you are right, then Latvians are the most important Finno-Ugrians.

Latvian:
NE_Euro_preSlavic 80,2
Slavic_invader 19,8

Felicia used Ukrainians, Belarusians and Western Europeans for Slavic_invader, and for NE_Euro_preSlavic - these are Finns, Latvians and Russians. Thus, Russians and Ukrainians ended up in different places. I can combine (you and South Africans) - NE_Euro_preSlavic, and (Albanians with Swedes) - Slavic_invader . And you will be closer to Africa than to Europe.

These are magic tricks for children. It's time to become a real European - a man with a German inquisitive mind and Russian resourcefulness, and not a Finno-Ukrian.


Finno-Ukrian???

[Slavic Italian]

No. If you are right, then Latvians are the most important Finno-Ugrians.

Latvian:
NE_Euro_preSlavic 80,2
Slavic_invader 19,8

Felicia used Ukrainians, Belarusians and Western Europeans for Slavic_invader, and for NE_Euro_preSlavic - these are Finns, Latvians and Russians. Thus, Russians and Ukrainians ended up in different places. I can combine (you and South Africans) - NE_Euro_preSlavic, and (Albanians with Swedes) - Slavic_invader . And you will be closer to Africa than to Europe.

These are magic tricks for children. It's time to become a real European - a man with a German inquisitive mind and Russian resourcefulness, and not a Finno-Ukrian.

By the way, I have never taken Felicia's calcs very seriously or any others. Davidski told me my DNA is too complex for such things. But I still like to mess around with them.

[gixajo]

Genetically, the first Slavs represent a link between part of the Belarusians, Balts and Russians.

Something like this?


Distance to: first Slavs
0.01622608 Lithuanian_VA
0.01695568 Lithuanian_PA
0.01780348 Lithuanian_RA
0.01893796 Belarusian
0.02056895 Russian_Pskov
0.02062008 Russian_Smolensk
0.02192443 Lithuanian_VZ
0.02292831 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02383968 Russian_Kaluga
0.02463208 Lithuanian_SZ
0.02500987 Russian_Kursk
0.02516219 Russian_Voronez
0.02566177 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02624372 Russian_Orel
0.02632922 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02648389 Estonian
0.02680450 Lithuanian_PZ
0.02715911 Latvian
0.02766042 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02797598 Russian_Belgorod
0.02824515 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02905951 Russian_Tver
0.03097068 Polish
0.03137751 Russian_Ryazan
0.03278199 Cossack_Ukrainian

[Vitez]

Target: Vitez_scaled
Distance: 1.6918% / 0.01691847
49.4 Slavic_invader
27.4 BGR_IA
11.6 NE_Euro_preSlavic
7.4 DEU_MA
4.2 Kavkaz

[Impaler]

Target: Father
Distance: 1.4437% / 0.01443714
53.4 Balkan
21.6 Kavkaz
12.0 Indian
9.0 Slavic_invader
4.0 NE_Euro_preSlavic

[ugochaves]

Something like this?


Distance to: first Slavs
0.01622608 Lithuanian_VA
0.01695568 Lithuanian_PA
0.01780348 Lithuanian_RA
0.01893796 Belarusian
0.02056895 Russian_Pskov
0.02062008 Russian_Smolensk
0.02192443 Lithuanian_VZ
0.02292831 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02383968 Russian_Kaluga
0.02463208 Lithuanian_SZ
0.02500987 Russian_Kursk
0.02516219 Russian_Voronez
0.02566177 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.02624372 Russian_Orel
0.02632922 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.02648389 Estonian
0.02680450 Lithuanian_PZ
0.02715911 Latvian
0.02766042 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.02797598 Russian_Belgorod
0.02824515 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02905951 Russian_Tver
0.03097068 Polish
0.03137751 Russian_Ryazan
0.03278199 Cossack_Ukrainian
Kaluga Russians are people who have absolutely no substrate. There are no Germans, no Balts, no Balkans, no Finns here. The only territory where there has never been anyone but Slavs. Kaluga Russians are close to Latvians (this is an ancient rapprochement). Latvians are isolated, Kaluga (and other central) Russians are also isolated. Some and others are at different poles, while they are genetically close. Conclusion - the first Slavs and the Balts were very close, but the Balkan admixture distanced the Slavs from the Balts. Russians are very different, there are those who are close to Finns, there are those who are close to Ukrainians. Russians from Central Russia have no attachment to anyone. This isolate is the first Slavs.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: ScandinavianCelt
Distance: 5.6963% / 0.05696346

53.0 Slavic_invader
25.4 NE_Euro_preSlavic
21.6 Kavkaz