K13 ancient model for Germans, Dutch and Belgians

[Jana]

Early_Germanic,48.1,29.28,8.75,7.24,2.24,0.98,0.74 ,0.15,0,1.42,0.71,0.02,0.35
Continental_Celt,48.08,19.16,23.33,0.01,6.63,1.07, 0.10,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,0.24,0.69
Roman_colonist,13.11,5.28,27.40,14.77,32.61,4.05,1 .05,0,0,0.49,0.53,0,0.68
Early_Slavic,27.93,46.56,12.07,4.33,4.39,0.6,0.24, 0,2.08,0.98,0.29,0.48,0

Target: North_German
Distance: 1.5110% / 1.51101015

88.6 Early_Germanic
7.4 Continental_Celt
4.0 Roman_colonist

Target: North_Dutch
Distance: 3.6073% / 3.60732299

81.2 Early_Germanic
18.8 Continental_Celt

Target: West_German
Distance: 1.4987% / 1.49871074

60.0 Early_Germanic
24.2 Continental_Celt
15.8 Roman_colonist

Target: South_Dutch
Distance: 1.7453% / 1.74526517

53.2 Early_Germanic
35.2 Continental_Celt
11.6 Roman_colonist

Target: East_German
Distance: 1.5900% / 1.58997500

38.2 Early_Slavic
36.0 Early_Germanic
16.8 Continental_Celt
9.0 Roman_colonist

[Jana]

There are two newer east and west German averages so I'll post them as well.

Target: German_West
Distance: 1.4461% / 1.44613166

72.4 Early_Germanic
19.0 Continental_Celt
8.6 Roman_colonist

Target: German_east
Distance: 0.9680% / 0.96804221

50.4 Early_Slavic
37.2 Early_Germanic
9.2 Continental_Celt
3.2 Roman_colonist

[Aren]

Do you have the Swiss Late-IA sample on Gedmatch? I presume it would be a better fit than the Hallstatt sample from Czechia.

[Jana]

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.9631% / 1.96307949

78.6 Early_Germanic
18.4 Continental_Celt
3.0 Early_Slavic

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 1.0010% / 1.00099704

44.2 Early_Germanic
30.8 Continental_Celt
20.8 Roman_colonist
4.2 Early_Slavic

Target: Austrian
Distance: 1.4597% / 1.45973864

44.4 Early_Germanic
29.0 Early_Slavic
15.2 Roman_colonist
11.4 Continental_Celt

[Jana]

Do you have the Swiss Late-IA sample on Gedmatch? I presume it would be a better fit than the Hallstatt sample from Czechia.

Not sure, K13 ancient samples list is huge and messy. Didn't notice it, but if you find it feel free to post :)
Fits are very good tbh except for north Dutch for unknown reason.

Austrians and Swiss should be taken with grain of salt, this model isn't tailor made for them despite fit is very good, because I suspect they have some Italic and/or Balkan input that isn't relevant in Germans, Dutch and Belgians.

[Aren]

Not sure, K13 ancient samples list is huge and messy. Didn't notice it, but if you find it feel free to post :)
Fits are very good tbh except for north Dutch for unknown reason.

Austrians and Swiss should be taken with grain of salt, this model isn't tailor made for them despite fit is very good, because I suspect they have some Italic and/or Balkan input that isn't relevant in Germans, Dutch and Belgians.

I don't think it's been uploaded to Gedmatch. Peterski would know but the poor guy is banned.

Your model fails for Dutch and Danes cause they score higher North Atlantic. You should use one of the other Alemanni/Lombard samples who were in better coverage I think they scored higher North Atlantic.

[Jana]

Flemish result

Target: Dandelion
Distance: 1.9333% / 1.93327889

65.6 Early_Germanic
28.6 Continental_Celt
4.0 Early_Slavic
1.8 Roman_colonist

[Jana]

I don't think it's been uploaded to Gedmatch. Peterski would know but the poor guy is banned.

Your model fails for Dutch and Danes cause they score higher North Atlantic. You should use one of the other Alemanni/Lombard samples who were in better coverage I think they scored higher North Atlantic.

It doesn't "fail", south Dutch and Danes get excellent distance. North Dutch get biggest distance but it's ancient samples we are talking about.
North Atlantic on K13 peaks in British Islanders and not core Germanic populations.

[Jana]

Southern German

Target: Grundig
Distance: 1.8326% / 1.83264122

60.6 Early_Germanic
16.6 Roman_colonist
16.4 Continental_Celt
6.4 Early_Slavic

[Jana]

Teutone result is suprising, I expected he will score more Slavic

Target: Teutone
Distance: 2.3422% / 2.34216412

87.2 Early_Germanic
8.8 Roman_colonist
3.2 Early_Slavic
0.8 Continental_Celt

[Jana]

Franconian

Target: MotherKyp
Distance: 2.2095% / 2.20948502

46.2 Early_Germanic
29.0 Continental_Celt
16.0 Early_Slavic
8.8 Roman_colonist

[Aren]

It doesn't "fail", south Dutch and Danes get excellent distance. North Dutch get biggest distance but it's ancient samples we are talking about.
North Atlantic on K13 peaks in British Islanders and not core Germanic populations.

I mean it's logical that it won't work for them. The Danish and Dutch averages score over 50% North Atlantic, Norwegians at 52% but the all the samples you are using to model them with score 48% or lower. I don't play around with Gedmatch anymore but I do remember when they were posted a couple years ago the Alemanni and the Lombard samples, the high quality ones scored above 50% North Atlantic.

[Jana]

I mean it's logical that it won't work for them. The Danish and Dutch averages score over 50% North Atlantic, Norwegians at 52% but the all the samples you are using to model them with score 48% or lower. I don't play around with Gedmatch anymore but I do remember when they were posted a couple years ago the Alemanni and the Lombard samples, the high quality ones scored above 50% North Atlantic.

Hmm I think problem may be more with lack of Celtic samples from w.Europe. Hallstatt ones are bit weird and drifted, and only one of them is usable other looks mixed with something eastern.
Thing is I filtered medieval Germanic samples and took out those that scored closest to populations like Irish or Orcadian first, and those had higher NA.

Those I selected are closest to north Germans, Danes and Norwegians.

Maybe for Danes and Dutch we lack pre-Germanic samples which may be more similar to some insular Celts. Just a guess.

[Aren]

Hmm I think problem may be more with lack of Celtic samples from w.Europe. Hallstatt ones are bit weird and drifted, and only one of them is usable other looks mixed with something eastern.
Thing is I filtered medieval Germanic samples and took out those that scored closest to populations like Irish or Orcadian first, and those had higher NA.

Those I selected are closest to north Germans, Danes and Norwegians.

Maybe for Danes and Dutch we lack pre-Germanic samples which may be more similar to some insular Celts. Just a guess.

Yes that too. I think the Hallstatt sample has too much WHG to be representative of central Euro Celts which is why it scores so much North Atlantic, basically Basque with some more Steppe.

Idk about the Germanic sample you used. I remember that there were samples who scored close to the Norwegian average, ie 50%+ North Atlantic but at the same time high Baltic around 28-30%. I think that's what you should use as Germanic.

[gixajo]

Sorry, I´m bored:


Noricum(austrian),34.35,34.42,13.15,3.82,10.84,1.0 4,1.43,0,0.39,0,0.11,0.1,0
Teutone(german),44.53,27.93,11.62,9.25,4.43,1.40,0 .10,0,0,0.44,0,0,0.66
Token(German),45.65,28.18,10.5,5.41,3.03,3.15,3.2, 0.56,0.31,0,0,0,0
Grundig(German_American),41.01,24.71,14.82,7.93,7. 73,1.25,0.40,0.07,0.75,0,0,0.38,0.96
Matxe92(Danish+Polish),44.91,32.04,9.95,6.64,0.85, 1.33,1.13,1.49,0.19,0.36,0,1.11,0
Mr.G_mother(german),45.34,23.79,13.84,6.37,7.26,1. 08,1.07,0,0.11,0.12,0.36,0.30,0.35
7eleven(german/jew),31.41,18.5,15.32,7.71,20.99,1.78,1.23,0,1.39, 0,0,0.79,0.89
GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch),43.81,26.96,15.31,3.7 5,6.27,0.41,0.69,0.40,0,0.98,1.44,0,0
NielsW(dutch/german),52.03,24.46,8.77,3.28,7.61,1.49,0,0.28,1.9 1,0,0,0.02,0.14
Alessio_mother(dutch),54.04,24.4,9.72,8.09,1.88,0, 0.42,0,0.26,1.06,0.03,0.05,0.05
Tchek(belgian),44.71,17.65,17.99,5.43,9.76,1.84,1. 88,0,0,0.39,0.54,0,0
Uull(german_prussia_USA),41.87,32.06,11.23,4.55,5. 5,1.28,1.79,0.29,0,0.83,0,0.6,0
Shuffle(german_south),39.98,23,15.93,5.09,12.16,0. 58,0.58,0,1.03,0.2,1.28,0.16,0
Lawalye(belgian),43,20,14.98,8.21,11.31,0,1.19,0,0 ,1.17,0,0,0

[Blondie]

Teutone result is suprising, I expected he will score more Slavic

Target: Teutone
Distance: 2.3422% / 2.34216412

87.2 Early_Germanic
8.8 Roman_colonist
3.2 Early_Slavic
0.8 Continental_Celt

Because his slavic genetic is rather baltid.

[Skiz-gaaR]

Target: North_German
Distance: 1.5110% / 1.51101015

88.6 Early_Germanic
7.4 Continental_Celt
4.0 Roman_colonist

Target: North_Dutch
Distance: 3.6073% / 3.60732299

81.2 Early_Germanic
18.8 Continental_Celt

Target: Danish
Distance: 1.9631% / 1.96307949

78.6 Early_Germanic
18.4 Continental_Celt
3.0 Early_Slavic



interesting that north german are more german than north dutch and danes

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG
5.97038525 Early_Germanic
14.84980808 Continental_Celt
30.63301487 Early_Slavic
54.38388732 Roman_colonist

Target: CDG
Distance: 597.0385% / 5.97038525 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Early_Germanic

Target: CDG
Distance: 432.4214% / 4.32421352 | ADC: 1x
89.6 Early_Germanic
10.4 Continental_Celt

Target: CDG
Distance: 313.6829% / 3.13682926 | ADC: 0.5x
78.4 Early_Germanic
21.6 Continental_Celt

Target: CDG
Distance: 301.2857% / 3.01285683 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Early_Germanic
25.0 Continental_Celt

Target: CDG
Distance: 300.3749% / 3.00374914
73.8 Early_Germanic
26.2 Continental_Celt

[Kyp]

Target: nittioniasdad (NorthGerman)
Distance: 5.9862% / 5.98618805
45.2 Early_Germanic
28.6 Continental_Celt
23.4 Early_Slavic
2.8 Roman_colonist

Target: Noricum(austrian)
Distance: 4.4383% / 4.43829362
50.4 Early_Slavic
24.8 Early_Germanic
13.0 Roman_colonist
11.8 Continental_Celt

Target: Grundig(German_American)
Distance: 1.8326% / 1.83264122
60.6 Early_Germanic
16.6 Roman_colonist
16.4 Continental_Celt
6.4 Early_Slavic

Target: Matxe92(Danish+Polish)
Distance: 2.8662% / 2.86615462
83.0 Early_Germanic
16.0 Early_Slavic
1.0 Continental_Celt

Target: Mr.G_mother(german)
Distance: 1.8040% / 1.80402343
64.4 Early_Germanic
25.4 Continental_Celt
10.2 Roman_colonist

Target: GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
Distance: 1.7751% / 1.77506343
42.4 Early_Germanic
38.8 Continental_Celt
14.6 Early_Slavic
4.2 Roman_colonist

Target: Tchek(belgian)
Distance: 4.0317% / 4.03170881
54.2 Continental_Celt
31.0 Early_Germanic
14.8 Roman_colonist

Target: Uull(german_prussia_USA)
Distance: 2.5263% / 2.52628689
57.4 Early_Germanic
26.8 Early_Slavic
12.8 Continental_Celt
3.0 Roman_colonist

Target: Shuffle(german_south)
Distance: 3.4687% / 3.46866257
43.2 Early_Germanic
28.6 Continental_Celt
20.8 Roman_colonist
7.4 Early_Slavic

Target: Lawalye(belgian)
Distance: 4.1512% / 4.15121306
55.0 Early_Germanic
24.2 Continental_Celt
20.8 Roman_colonist

Target: South_Hessen_K13
Distance: 2.1789% / 2.17888710
57.0 Early_Germanic
26.8 Continental_Celt
16.2 Roman_colonist

Target: Masurian_K13
Distance: 2.2128% / 2.21276259
84.6 Early_Slavic
15.4 Early_Germanic

Target: Bavarian_German
Distance: 1.4420% / 1.44204427
51.8 Early_Germanic
24.6 Continental_Celt
20.4 Roman_colonist
3.2 Early_Slavic

[Jana]

How about adding these Longobards from Italy (preferably purest 1-2) to further improve calculator and fits?

[J. Ketch]

These might be worth running (alongside Early Slavic)

Celtic:France_IA_ATT26,43.25,20.56,23.86,1.11,4.84 ,0,4.11,0,0,0,0.02,0.55,1.71
Celtic:France_IA_BES1248,50.85,23.52,14.17,4.41,1. 84,0,1.02,0.85,0.65,1.93,0,0,0.76
Celtic:France_IA_BFM265,50.23,18.91,16.29,3.46,9.5 5,0.25,0.21,0,0,0.42,0.35,0.34,0
Celtic:France_IA_COL11,46.34,25.76,16.72,3.7,0,0,5 .86,0,0,0,0,0,1.63
Celtic:France_IA_COL153A,41.26,20.62,18.22,0,16.67 ,3.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Celtic:France_IA_COL153i,42.21,16.69,22.85,6.74,4. 15,0.03,0,0,1.68,0,3.73,1.92,0
Celtic:France_IA_ERS1164,43.93,20.07,18.31,6.75,4. 79,0.2,0.96,0.84,2.7,0,0.11,0,1.32
Celtic:France_IA_ERS86,37.1,22.42,26.11,2.55,7.85, 1.32,0,0,0,0.15,0.98,0.76,0.75
Celtic:France_IA_ERS88,37.83,12.85,19.92,3.27,22.4 ,2.1,0,0,0,1.23,0,0.39,0
Celtic:France_IA_Jeb8,43.92,15.69,26.17,0.18,7.86, 0.73,0,0,0,2.59,2.86,0,0
Celtic:France_IA_NOR2B6,35.99,20.81,21.36,1.94,15. 77,3.81,0,0,0.31,0,0,0,0
Celtic:France_IA_NOR3-15,44.5,19.56,20.91,3.4,4.03,2.54,0,0,0.86,0.29,1. 18,2.74,0
Celtic:France_IA_NOR3-6,44.12,24.13,17.5,7.58,0.59,2.92,1.83,0,0,0.71,0. 38,0.24,0
Celtic:France_IA_NOR4,34.72,15.03,30.23,0,18.12,0, 0,0,1.36,0,0.54,0,0
Celtic:France_IA_PECH5,46.11,10.41,36.34,0,1.22,0. 97,0,1.9,0.91,2.15,0,0,0
Celtic:France_IA_PEY53,53.92,15.17,13.26,6.82,6.26 ,2.42,0,0,0,0.82,1.32,0,0
Germanic:AED106_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.38,30.61,9.37,10.33,0.00,0.05,0.82,0.00,0.00,1 .56,1.13,0.05,0.70
Germanic:AED249_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.91,36.06,8.53,3.83,0.00,2.62,1.36,1.26,0.42,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:Alh10_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1489_ybp, 50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31,0.00,1.2 9,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic:Alh3a_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1506_ybp, 42.08,29.55,6.19,8.99,8.62,0.00,0.00,0.97,2.37,1.0 8,0.16,0.00,0.00
Germanic:CL145_longobard_north_italy,53.01,27.98,7 .21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0 .00
Germanic:CL146_Longobard_,54.56,25.16,9.41,4.77,1. 52,0.92,1.25,0.00,0.63,0.55,0.40,0.83,0.00
Germanic:CL151_longobard_north_italy,55.73,27.25,6 .83,4.75,0.00,2.45,1.17,0.00,0.00,0.60,1.22,0.00,0 .00
Germanic:CL83_longobard_north_italy,50.79,24.89,12 .46,6.20,0.71,2.68,0.00,1.18,0.20,0.26,0.00,0.63,0 .00
Germanic:CL84_longobard_north_italy,51.40,26.75,12 .42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.85,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0 .00
Germanic:CL87_longobard_north_italy,48.19,22.34,15 .47,5.32,3.89,2.63,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.79,0.09,0.66,0 .09
Germanic:CL92_longobard_north_italy,48.87,28.93,9. 99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0. 00
Germanic:CL93_longobard_north_italy,49.96,27.68,9. 25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0. 75
Roman:R37_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,40.85,15.39,33 .11,0.00,6.24,1.63,0.00,0.01,0.66,0.00,1.40,0.72,0 .00
Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.92,0.00,18.7 1,28.11,41.51,8.68,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.34,0.00,0 .28
Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,9.38,2.57,24.9 7,19.78,34.82,5.66,0.00,1.74,0.29,0.78,0.00,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.72,0.00,23. 00,19.52,36.20,5.66,0.00,0.47,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.27
Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.70,0.00,21.4 7,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0.00,0.76,0.14,1.91,0 .03
Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,0.53,0.00,15.4 0,20.48,43.20,14.76,1.31,1.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.29, 0.00
Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.19,0.00,22. 20,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0.00,0.00,0.08,0.65,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.76,5.07,20 .41,19.03,28.20,7.18,0.12,0.98,0.00,0.55,0.69,0.00 ,0.00
Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.45,0.00,23. 48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.66,2.53,24. 25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0.00,1.14,0.00,0.00,1.40,1.69, 0.89
Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.98,5.83,21. 98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.72,0.51,0.64, 0.00
Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.25,8.08,21. 47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,1.31,0.53, 0.15
Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.80,5.92,19. 69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.87
Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,20.47,1.28,20. 11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.59,1.88,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,7.81,1.07,23.5 7,24.26,37.48,4.96,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.85,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.11,0.88,12.1 2,32.70,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0 .44
Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.31,0.00,13.7 9,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.07, 0.14
Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.48,4.41,24. 55,22.98,33.70,0.54,0.00,0.59,0.00,0.50,0.25,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.21,2.28,19.3 4,21.39,41.91,10.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,1.38, 0.00
Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,6.09,0.06,20.3 3,24.54,44.64,3.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.94,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.24,0.00,22. 92,19.04,41.20,5.12,0.00,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.91,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.96,1.16,19. 72,17.30,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03,0.19,0.00,1.21 ,0.41
Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.62,0.00,22.6 8,21.74,35.29,9.37,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.21,0.47,1.25,0 .00
Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.62,3.30,16.7 7,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0.00,0.00,0.82,0.00,0.77, 0.00
Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.76,2.77,22.8 2,22.14,43.72,2.03,0.00,0.10,0.00,0.27,0.39,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,15.29,0.52,23. 55,5.43,37.60,11.68,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.26,4.42, 1.06
Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.54,2.43,22. 21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.74,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.48,7.33,22.76, 15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.49,0.00,1.3 7
Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.90,4.35,25.43, 19.62,29.98,1.61,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.83,0.00,0.0 0

[Kyp]

These might be worth running (alongside Early Slavic)


Target: MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
Distance: 0.7188% / 0.71881837
52.4 Germanic
23.4 Celtic
16.6 Early_Slavic
7.6 Roman

Target: Czech
Distance: 0.7529% / 0.75286149
56.2 Early_Slavic
26.6 Germanic
9.0 Celtic
8.2 Roman

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 0.1500% / 0.14997102
44.6 Germanic
34.0 Celtic
15.6 Roman
5.8 Early_Slavic

Target: French
Distance: 0.2826% / 0.28262188
77.4 Celtic
15.0 Roman
7.6 Germanic

[Jana]

Very nice job Creoda. Fits improved significantly :thumb001:

[Ford]

Very nice job Creoda. Fits improved significantly :thumb001:

Can you run mine ? Can't do it myself atm

[Kyp]

Target: Token(German)
Distance: 1.0459% / 1.04594387
68.2 Germanic
24.4 Celtic
7.4 Roman

Target: Teutone(german)
Distance: 1.3719% / 1.37192106
85.0 Germanic
8.6 Roman
3.6 Celtic
2.8 Early_Slavic

Target: Noricum(austrian)
Distance: 1.9825% / 1.98249062
49.6 Early_Slavic
32.0 Celtic
14.4 Germanic
4.0 Roman

Target: Lawalye(belgian)
Distance: 1.0340% / 1.03397373
54.8 Celtic
28.2 Germanic
17.0 Roman

Target: Uull(german_prussia_USA)
Distance: 0.9316% / 0.93158397
50.6 Germanic
28.0 Early_Slavic
19.4 Celtic
2.0 Roman

Target: Tchek(belgian)
Distance: 0.5397% / 0.53968118
79.6 Celtic
15.0 Roman
5.4 Germanic

Target: Alessio_mother(dutch)
Distance: 2.6466% / 2.64659296
82.4 Germanic
17.6 Celtic

Target: NielsW(dutch/german)
Distance: 3.6165% / 3.61648021
74.4 Germanic
25.6 Celtic

Target: GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
Distance: 0.8681% / 0.86812694
51.4 Celtic
27.0 Germanic
21.6 Early_Slavic


Target: Mr.G_mother(german)
Distance: 0.3795% / 0.37954322
47.4 Germanic
41.8 Celtic
8.4 Roman
2.4 Early_Slavic

Target: Matxe92(Danish+Polish)
Distance: 1.3308% / 1.33075586
91.0 Germanic
5.2 Early_Slavic
2.0 Celtic
1.8 Roman

Target: Grundig(German_American)
Distance: 0.7316% / 0.73158179
55.6 Germanic
22.4 Celtic
13.0 Roman
9.0 Early_Slavic

Target: Shuffle(german_south)
Distance: 0.8296% / 0.82956515
48.4 Celtic
37.6 Germanic
7.8 Early_Slavic
6.2 Roman

[J. Ketch]

My mother's run from yesterday with Celtic Briton added, Anglo-Saxons added to Germanic, and Celtic named as Gaulish.



Gaulish:France_IA_ATT26,43.25,20.56,23.86,1.11,4.8 4,0,4.11,0,0,0,0.02,0.55,1.71
Gaulish:France_IA_BES1248,50.85,23.52,14.17,4.41,1 .84,0,1.02,0.85,0.65,1.93,0,0,0.76
Gaulish:France_IA_BFM265,50.23,18.91,16.29,3.46,9. 55,0.25,0.21,0,0,0.42,0.35,0.34,0
Gaulish:France_IA_COL11,46.34,25.76,16.72,3.7,0,0, 5.86,0,0,0,0,0,1.63
Gaulish:France_IA_COL153A,41.26,20.62,18.22,0,16.6 7,3.22,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Gaulish:France_IA_COL153i,42.21,16.69,22.85,6.74,4 .15,0.03,0,0,1.68,0,3.73,1.92,0
Gaulish:France_IA_ERS1164,43.93,20.07,18.31,6.75,4 .79,0.2,0.96,0.84,2.7,0,0.11,0,1.32
Gaulish:France_IA_ERS86,37.1,22.42,26.11,2.55,7.85 ,1.32,0,0,0,0.15,0.98,0.76,0.75
Gaulish:France_IA_ERS88,37.83,12.85,19.92,3.27,22. 4,2.1,0,0,0,1.23,0,0.39,0
Gaulish:France_IA_Jeb8,43.92,15.69,26.17,0.18,7.86 ,0.73,0,0,0,2.59,2.86,0,0
Gaulish:France_IA_NOR2B6,35.99,20.81,21.36,1.94,15 .77,3.81,0,0,0.31,0,0,0,0
Gaulish:France_IA_NOR3-15,44.5,19.56,20.91,3.4,4.03,2.54,0,0,0.86,0.29,1. 18,2.74,0
Gaulish:France_IA_NOR3-6,44.12,24.13,17.5,7.58,0.59,2.92,1.83,0,0,0.71,0. 38,0.24,0
Gaulish:France_IA_NOR4,34.72,15.03,30.23,0,18.12,0 ,0,0,1.36,0,0.54,0,0
Gaulish:France_IA_PECH5,46.11,10.41,36.34,0,1.22,0 .97,0,1.9,0.91,2.15,0,0,0
Gaulish:France_IA_PEY53,53.92,15.17,13.26,6.82,6.2 6,2.42,0,0,0,0.82,1.32,0,0
Celtic_Briton:3DT16_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,50.0 3,24.97,14.29,4.90,1.77,0.00,1.31,0.00,0.00,1.38,0 .30,0.00,1.05
Celtic_Briton:6DT18_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,54.0 4,21.00,14.94,7.04,0.00,0.00,0.97,0.00,0.00,0.09,0 .90,0.00,1.02
Celtic_Briton:6DT21_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,45.4 7,25.30,11.40,11.28,1.84,0.60,0.00,0.00,1.19,1.26, 0.64,0.00,1.01
Celtic_Briton:6DT22_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,44.6 6,26.34,14.02,7.11,4.03,1.56,0.06,0.19,0.74,0.01,0 .54,0.64,0.09
Celtic_Briton:6DT23_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,53.3 7,22.19,13.20,7.43,0.58,1.18,0.00,0.00,0.26,0.00,0 .87,0.05,0.87
Celtic_Briton:6DT3_England_Roman.SG_1750_ybp,49.67 ,25.20,9.92,11.58,0.00,0.00,2.87,0.30,0.00,0.07,0. 00,0.23,0.17
Celtic_Briton:Hinxton_2_Cambridgshire_UK_1300_year s_F_H2a2b1_,59.07,23.24,8.20,6.53,0.10,0.00,1.00,0 .00,0.00,0.46,0.82,0.00,0.57
Celtic_Briton:Hinxton_3_Cambridgshire_UK_1300_year s_F_K1a4a1a2b_,57.26,20.50,8.14,9.75,0.33,0.85,0.7 5,0.00,0.00,0.49,0.00,1.36,0.57
Celtic_Briton:Hinxton_4_Cambridgshire_UK_2000_year s_M_R_DF25_H1ag1_,53.44,24.03,11.78,7.01,0.00,0.00 ,2.18,0.14,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.87
Celtic_Briton:Hinxton_5_Cambridgshire_UK_1300_year s_F_H2a2a1_,50.44,28.34,12.42,0.71,4.45,1.01,0.00, 0.94,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.68
Celtic_Briton:I0156_England_IA.SG_2017_ybp,52.99,2 2.67,12.87,6.81,1.70,0.12,0.63,0.00,0.00,0.70,0.71 ,0.80,0.00
Celtic_Briton:I0160_England_IA.SG_1995_ybp,53.69,2 1.30,12.06,8.23,0.00,0.00,2.86,0.00,0.82,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,1.04
Celtic_Briton:I0789_England_IA.SG_2155_ybp,46.37,2 6.95,13.66,5.05,3.86,0.11,0.00,0.70,1.72,0.87,0.66 ,0.05,0.00
Celtic_Briton:M1489_England_IA.SG_2035_ybp,49.39,2 0.75,14.93,5.56,4.22,0.00,2.62,0.46,0.19,1.46,0.00 ,0.00,0.42
Germanic:NO3423_England_Saxon.SG_1170_ybp,55.10,28 .26,4.80,5.87,0.32,1.96,0.56,0.00,0.15,0.72,1.14,1 .11,0.00
Germanic:I0157_England_Saxon.SG_1232_ybp,53.59,27. 61,7.41,6.63,0.00,0.54,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.82,0.35,1. 50,0.00
Germanic:I0159_England_Saxon.SG_1247_ybp,55.68,23. 04,9.03,5.31,2.50,0.00,2.22,0.00,0.15,0.73,0.41,0. 93,0.00
Germanic:I0161_England_Saxon.SG_1165_ybp,47.91,27. 65,13.40,4.02,3.63,0.00,1.16,0.94,0.00,0.16,0.27,0 .86,0.00
Germanic:I0769_England_Saxon.SG_1455_ybp,55.88,26. 55,6.15,7.99,0.00,0.37,0.22,0.58,0.36,0.45,0.14,0. 69,0.62
Germanic:I0773_England_Saxon.SG_1490_ybp,54.42,30. 16,6.27,5.11,0.00,0.00,2.99,0.00,0.00,0.46,0.60,0. 00,0.00
Germanic:I0774_England_Saxon.SG_1483_ybp,49.31,24. 79,10.58,7.38,3.84,0.54,2.19,0.00,0.05,0.17,1.15,0 .00,0.00
Germanic:I0777_England_Saxon.SG_1478_ybp,49.52,27. 29,12.73,3.79,1.11,2.02,2.60,0.00,0.79,0.00,0.15,0 .00,0.00
Germanic:AED106_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.38,30.61,9.37,10.33,0.00,0.05,0.82,0.00,0.00,1 .56,1.13,0.05,0.70
Germanic:AED249_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1455_ybp ,45.91,36.06,8.53,3.83,0.00,2.62,1.36,1.26,0.42,0. 00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:Alh10_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1489_ybp, 50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31,0.00,1.2 9,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic:Alh3a_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1506_ybp, 42.08,29.55,6.19,8.99,8.62,0.00,0.00,0.97,2.37,1.0 8,0.16,0.00,0.00
Germanic:CL145_longobard_north_italy,53.01,27.98,7 .21,5.65,0.79,1.05,2.78,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.99,0.55,0 .00
Germanic:CL146_Longobard_,54.56,25.16,9.41,4.77,1. 52,0.92,1.25,0.00,0.63,0.55,0.40,0.83,0.00
Germanic:CL151_longobard_north_italy,55.73,27.25,6 .83,4.75,0.00,2.45,1.17,0.00,0.00,0.60,1.22,0.00,0 .00
Germanic:CL83_longobard_north_italy,50.79,24.89,12 .46,6.20,0.71,2.68,0.00,1.18,0.20,0.26,0.00,0.63,0 .00
Germanic:CL84_longobard_north_italy,51.40,26.75,12 .42,4.27,1.30,1.75,0.00,0.85,0.83,0.00,0.00,0.44,0 .00
Germanic:CL87_longobard_north_italy,48.19,22.34,15 .47,5.32,3.89,2.63,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.79,0.09,0.66,0 .09
Germanic:CL92_longobard_north_italy,48.87,28.93,9. 99,6.36,2.26,0.00,0.00,0.50,1.89,0.00,0.45,0.76,0. 00
Germanic:CL93_longobard_north_italy,49.96,27.68,9. 25,8.59,0.00,1.17,0.00,0.00,1.12,0.35,0.83,0.30,0. 75
Roman:R37_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,40.85,15.39,33 .11,0.00,6.24,1.63,0.00,0.01,0.66,0.00,1.40,0.72,0 .00
Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.92,0.00,18.7 1,28.11,41.51,8.68,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.34,0.00,0 .28
Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,9.38,2.57,24.9 7,19.78,34.82,5.66,0.00,1.74,0.29,0.78,0.00,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.72,0.00,23. 00,19.52,36.20,5.66,0.00,0.47,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.27
Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.70,0.00,21.4 7,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0.00,0.76,0.14,1.91,0 .03
Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,0.53,0.00,15.4 0,20.48,43.20,14.76,1.31,1.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.29, 0.00
Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.19,0.00,22. 20,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0.00,0.00,0.08,0.65,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.76,5.07,20 .41,19.03,28.20,7.18,0.12,0.98,0.00,0.55,0.69,0.00 ,0.00
Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.45,0.00,23. 48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.66,2.53,24. 25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0.00,1.14,0.00,0.00,1.40,1.69, 0.89
Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.98,5.83,21. 98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.72,0.51,0.64, 0.00
Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.25,8.08,21. 47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.20,1.31,0.53, 0.15
Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.80,5.92,19. 69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00, 0.87
Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,20.47,1.28,20. 11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.59,1.88,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,7.81,1.07,23.5 7,24.26,37.48,4.96,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.85,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.11,0.88,12.1 2,32.70,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0.00,0.32,0.39,1.90,0 .44
Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.31,0.00,13.7 9,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.07, 0.14
Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.48,4.41,24. 55,22.98,33.70,0.54,0.00,0.59,0.00,0.50,0.25,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.21,2.28,19.3 4,21.39,41.91,10.30,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,1.38, 0.00
Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,6.09,0.06,20.3 3,24.54,44.64,3.40,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.94,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.24,0.00,22. 92,19.04,41.20,5.12,0.00,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.91,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.96,1.16,19. 72,17.30,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03,0.19,0.00,1.21 ,0.41
Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.62,0.00,22.6 8,21.74,35.29,9.37,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.21,0.47,1.25,0 .00
Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.62,3.30,16.7 7,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0.00,0.00,0.82,0.00,0.77, 0.00
Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.76,2.77,22.8 2,22.14,43.72,2.03,0.00,0.10,0.00,0.27,0.39,0.00,0 .00
Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,15.29,0.52,23. 55,5.43,37.60,11.68,0.00,0.20,0.00,0.00,0.26,4.42, 1.06
Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.54,2.43,22. 21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.74,0.00, 0.00
Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.48,7.33,22.76, 15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0.00,0.00,0.18,0.49,0.00,1.3 7
Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.90,4.35,25.43, 19.62,29.98,1.61,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.28,0.83,0.00,0.0 0

Target: CreodaMum (English)
Distance: 0.5525% / 0.55245708
41.8 Germanic
40.8 Celtic_Briton
14.4 Gaulish
3.0 Roman

Target: CreodaMum (English)
Distance: 0.8595% / 0.85948905 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Celtic_Briton
40.4 Germanic

With Stearsolina's calculator (for fun)

Target: CreodaMum (English)
Distance: 359.8434% / 3.59843395
71.8 Early_Germanic
27.4 Continental_Celt
0.8 Roman_colonist

It's worth noting that the 'Celtic' peoples of the Netherlands and nearby may score largely Germanic here compared to Central Euro/Gaulish Celts, as they were probably largely Celticised Beaker, like Britons.

[Jana]

Can you run mine ? Can't do it myself atm

Great fit for you :D

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.0106% / 1.01056017

58.2 Early_Slavic
20.0 Roman
15.2 Celtic
6.6 Germanic

[Jana]

It's worth noting that the 'Celtic' peoples of the Netherlands and nearby may score largely Germanic here compared to Central Euro/Gaulish Celts, as they were probably largely Celticised Beaker, like Britons.

That's exactly what I am thinking too!

[Jana]

Me (just for fun)

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.1239% / 2.12390697

48.4 Early_Slavic
25.8 Germanic
22.4 Roman
3.4 Celtic

[Grace O'Malley]

Using Creoda's model.

Target: Grace
Distance: 95.6545% / 0.95654478
58.8 Germanic
35.2 Celtic_Briton
6.0 Gaulish

Stearsolina's model.

Target: Grace
Distance: 493.2531% / 4.93253091
86.0 Early_Germanic
14.0 Continental_Celt

[Cybele]

Target: Cybele - Random balkanigga' passing by

Distance: 3.2635% / 3.26354476

44.0 Roman_colonist
28.0 Early_Slavic
21.0 Early_Germanic
7.0 Continental_Celt

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 293.3140% / 2.93314017
44.4 Early_Germanic
32.2 Early_Slavic
12.4 Continental_Celt
11.0 Roman_colonist


With Creoda's samples

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 104.3363% / 1.04336313
44.4 Germanic
27.6 Early_Slavic
20.8 Celtic
7.2 Roman

[oszkar07]

Target: Token(German)
Distance: 1.0459% / 1.04594387
68.2 Germanic
24.4 Celtic
7.4 Roman

Target: Teutone(german)
Distance: 1.3719% / 1.37192106
85.0 Germanic
8.6 Roman
3.6 Celtic
2.8 Early_Slavic

Target: Noricum(austrian)
Distance: 1.9825% / 1.98249062
49.6 Early_Slavic
32.0 Celtic
14.4 Germanic
4.0 Roman

Target: Lawalye(belgian)
Distance: 1.0340% / 1.03397373
54.8 Celtic
28.2 Germanic
17.0 Roman

Target: Uull(german_prussia_USA)
Distance: 0.9316% / 0.93158397
50.6 Germanic
28.0 Early_Slavic
19.4 Celtic
2.0 Roman

Target: Tchek(belgian)
Distance: 0.5397% / 0.53968118
79.6 Celtic
15.0 Roman
5.4 Germanic

Target: Alessio_mother(dutch)
Distance: 2.6466% / 2.64659296
82.4 Germanic
17.6 Celtic

Target: NielsW(dutch/german)
Distance: 3.6165% / 3.61648021
74.4 Germanic
25.6 Celtic

Target: GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
Distance: 0.8681% / 0.86812694
51.4 Celtic
27.0 Germanic
21.6 Early_Slavic


Target: Mr.G_mother(german)
Distance: 0.3795% / 0.37954322
47.4 Germanic
41.8 Celtic
8.4 Roman
2.4 Early_Slavic

Target: Matxe92(Danish+Polish)
Distance: 1.3308% / 1.33075586
91.0 Germanic
5.2 Early_Slavic
2.0 Celtic
1.8 Roman

Target: Grundig(German_American)
Distance: 0.7316% / 0.73158179
55.6 Germanic
22.4 Celtic
13.0 Roman
9.0 Early_Slavic

Target: Shuffle(german_south)
Distance: 0.8296% / 0.82956515
48.4 Celtic
37.6 Germanic
7.8 Early_Slavic
6.2 Roman



Based on this result makes me wonder if he really is half Polish.
Unless the Polish parent also very Germanic.
Seems very small amount Slav for a half Polish person.

[Kyp]

Based on this result makes me wonder if he really is half Polish.
Unless the Polish parent also very Germanic.
Seems very small amount Slav for a half Polish person.

He is only 1/4 Polish according to his profile

[Kyp]

Target: South_Dutch
Distance: 0.3737% / 0.37368938
50.8 Celtic
41.0 Germanic
8.0 Roman
0.2 Early_Slavic


Target: North-Dutch
Distance: 0.7639% / 0.76389015
80.0 Germanic
19.8 Celtic
0.2 Early_Slavic

Target: North_German
Distance: 0.5442% / 0.54418089
77.0 Germanic
15.4 Celtic
4.6 Roman
3.0 Early_Slavic

Target: German_east
Distance: 0.8340% / 0.83397232
46.4 Early_Slavic
34.8 Germanic
17.0 Celtic
1.8 Roman

Target: German_West
Distance: 0.3186% / 0.31858663
66.2 Germanic
23.2 Celtic
7.8 Roman
2.8 Early_Slavic

[oszkar07]

He is only 1/4 Polish according to his profile

makes more sense.

[Jana]

Average for my ancestral region (unfortunately made just out of two samples) :

Target: Hessen_south
Distance: 0.2585% / 0.25850510

46.0 Celtic
41.2 Germanic
9.0 Roman
3.8 Early_Slavic

[Jana]

South Hessian and south Dutch results are nearly identical, only difference is minor Slav in Hessen. Their Germanic score is the same!

[Kyp]

South Hessian and south Dutch results are nearly identical, only difference is minor Slav in Hessen. Their Germanic score is the same!

The Slavic probably comes from Lower Franconia and Thuringia border. Where Slavic tribes have been incorporated into the East Franks (see my mother's result)

[Luke35]

Target: Mr.G_mother(german)
Distance: 0.3795% / 0.37954322
47.4 Germanic
41.8 Celtic
8.4 Roman
2.4 Early_Slavic

Target: South_Dutch
Distance: 0.3737% / 0.37368938
50.8 Celtic
41.0 Germanic
8.0 Roman
0.2 Early_Slavic

My mother's 1/8 British has notable impact, making her closest population the South Dutch here, and also on K15.

[Scandal]

Target: Universe
Distance: 4.5019% / 4.50190189
73.2 Early_Slavic
18.0 Celtic
8.6 Roman
0.2 Germanic

decent distance and good calculator. Added Creoda's source populations too.

[Lucas]

Peterski would be jealous:)

Target: luk
Distance: 5.7568% / 5.75684810
100.0 Early_Slavic

[Token]

Me 25% Celtic only in k13's overfitted wet dreams

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4137% / 2.41373844
68.0 Early_Slavic
32.0 Roman_colonist