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Leto
08-11-2020, 05:06 PM
An interesting case - an East Slavic person (I don't know his nationality, it may be Russia or Ukraine) with not-so-distant Swiss (and German) ancestry

Father: born in Vinnitsa, Ukraine
Paternal grandfather: born in Kamenets-Podolski, Ukraine (may have ancestry from Russia)
Paternal grandmother: born in St. Petersburg, Russia and was half Volga German and half Swiss (Lausanne)

Mother: born in Odessa, Ukraine
Maternal grandfather: born in Grodno, Belarus
Maternal grandmother: born in Vitebsk, Belarus

Y-DNA is listed as plain R-M198

Eurogenes K13

North_Atlantic 27.27 Pct
Baltic 43.59 Pct
West_Med 13.47 Pct
West_Asian 4.65 Pct
East_Med 7.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.19 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Amerindian 0.12 Pct
Oceanian 0.10 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 3.09
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 3.93
3 South_Polish 4.55
4 Polish 5.63
5 Southwest_Russian 6.51
6 Russian_Smolensk 7.11
7 Estonian_Polish 7.17
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.48
9 Croatian 7.5
10 Belorussian 8.05
11 Moldavian 10.65
12 Kargopol_Russian 11.12
13 Hungarian 11.92
14 Lithuanian 12.17
15 Estonian 12.33
16 Erzya 13.4
17 East_German 13.52
18 Southwest_Finnish 13.62
19 Finnish 13.97
20 East_Finnish 14.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Belorussian + 13% Sardinian @ 1.79
2 88.3% Estonian_Polish + 11.7% Sardinian @ 1.84
3 88.5% Russian_Smolensk + 11.5% Sardinian @ 1.92
4 82.5% Estonian_Polish + 17.5% North_Italian @ 2.36
5 83.6% Estonian_Polish + 16.4% Tuscan @ 2.41
6 51.2% Estonian_Polish + 48.8% Croatian @ 2.44
7 74.4% Lithuanian + 25.6% Tuscan @ 2.49
8 97.2% Ukrainian + 2.8% Sardinian @ 2.68
9 97.7% Ukrainian + 2.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.7
10 85.2% Estonian_Polish + 14.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.71
11 97.2% Ukrainian + 2.8% Tunisian @ 2.73
12 97% Ukrainian + 3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.74
13 97.3% Ukrainian + 2.7% Moroccan @ 2.75
14 97.3% Ukrainian + 2.7% Algerian @ 2.75
15 71.2% Estonian_Polish + 28.8% Serbian @ 2.75
16 82.2% Estonian_Polish + 17.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.75
17 89.9% Southwest_Russian + 10.1% Sardinian @ 2.76
18 96.6% Ukrainian + 3.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.76
19 76.8% Estonian_Polish + 23.2% Bulgarian @ 2.76
20 97.3% Ukrainian + 2.7% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.76

Target: OMZ
Distance: 2.4712% / 2.47116020 | ADC: 0.5x
69.4 Ukrainian
25.4 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
5.2 Estonian_Polish

Target: OMZ
Distance: 1.8395% / 1.83947889 | ADC: 0.25x
36.0 Ukrainian
34.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
28.6 Estonian_Polish
1.4 Sardinian

Eurogenes K15

North_Sea 19.64 Pct
Atlantic 15.76 Pct
Baltic 25.85 Pct
Eastern_Euro 21.45 Pct
West_Med 10.00 Pct
West_Asian 2.61 Pct
East_Med 4.32 Pct
Red_Sea 0.30 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 4.8
2 South_Polish 5.32
3 Polish 6.05
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.17
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.23
6 Croatian 7.46
7 Southwest_Russian 7.48
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.7
9 Estonian_Polish 7.89
10 Belorussian 8.53
11 Moldavian 9.36
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.35
13 Hungarian 10.58
14 Estonian 11.16
15 Lithuanian 11.92
16 Austrian 12.26
17 Erzya 12.55
18 East_Finnish 12.76
19 East_German 12.78
20 Finnish 13.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.7% Southwest_Russian + 12.3% Sardinian @ 3.56
2 94.9% Ukrainian + 5.1% Sardinian @ 4.1
3 91.4% Polish + 8.6% Sardinian @ 4.15
4 55.6% Estonian_Polish + 44.4% Moldavian @ 4.19
5 87.6% Estonian_Polish + 12.4% Sardinian @ 4.26
6 68.2% Estonian_Polish + 31.8% Serbian @ 4.3
7 81.3% Southwest_Russian + 18.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.33
8 75.5% Ukrainian + 24.5% Croatian @ 4.38
9 93.5% Ukrainian + 6.5% Southwest_French @ 4.38
10 94% Ukrainian + 6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.39
11 88.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 11.9% Sardinian @ 4.39
12 93.9% Ukrainian + 6.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.4
13 86.5% Belorussian + 13.5% Sardinian @ 4.4
14 95.2% Ukrainian + 4.8% French_Basque @ 4.41
15 66.6% Polish + 33.4% Moldavian @ 4.41
16 52.1% Croatian + 47.9% Estonian_Polish @ 4.42
17 94.4% Ukrainian + 5.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.42
18 93.7% Ukrainian + 6.3% Greek @ 4.43
19 94.3% Ukrainian + 5.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.43
20 96.2% Ukrainian + 3.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 4.46

MDLP K23b

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 46.36
2 Caucasian 29.99
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.23
4 South_Central_Asian 1.8
5 Near_East 1.78
6 Subsaharian 1.2
7 Amerindian 0.8
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.78
9 Tungus-Altaic 0.3
10 Australoid 0.29
11 Arctic 0.17
12 Ancestral_Altaic 0.14
13 Melano_Polynesian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 3.46
2 Slovenian ( ) 4.04
3 Czech ( ) 4.49
4 Hungarian ( ) 4.49
5 Slovak ( ) 5.17
6 Croat ( ) 5.78
7 Bosnian ( ) 5.81
8 Serb_BH ( ) 5.95
9 Ukrainian_West ( ) 6.26
10 Croat_BH ( ) 6.28
11 Kashub ( ) 6.72
12 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.8
13 Sorb ( ) 7.47
14 Montenegrian ( ) 8.16
15 Austrian ( ) 8.63
16 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 9.07
17 Ukrainian_East ( ) 9.51
18 Belarusian_West ( ) 9.52
19 German ( ) 10.12
20 Belarusian-East ( ) 10.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% Kashub ( ) + 27.7% Kosovar ( ) @ 2.46
2 65.3% Croat ( ) + 34.7% German ( ) @ 2.48
3 64.5% Slovenian ( ) + 35.5% Croat_BH ( ) @ 2.49
4 64.5% Serb_BH ( ) + 35.5% German ( ) @ 2.53
5 69.9% Sorb ( ) + 30.1% Kosovar ( ) @ 2.55
6 60.8% Hungarian ( ) + 39.2% Croat_BH ( ) @ 2.56
7 71.5% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 28.5% Croat_BH ( ) @ 2.6
8 55.5% Kashub ( ) + 44.5% Montenegrian ( ) @ 2.61
9 54.6% Croat ( ) + 45.4% Kashub ( ) @ 2.63
10 63.2% Croat_BH ( ) + 36.8% German ( ) @ 2.64
11 74.5% Kashub ( ) + 25.5% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 2.65
12 68.1% Pole ( ) + 31.9% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.65
13 65.4% Bosnian ( ) + 34.6% German ( ) @ 2.65
14 53.7% Serb_BH ( ) + 46.3% Kashub ( ) @ 2.65
15 65.4% Don_cossack ( ) + 34.6% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.66
16 70.1% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 29.9% Croat ( ) @ 2.68
17 73.9% Kashub ( ) + 26.1% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.7
18 63.2% Slovenian ( ) + 36.8% Bosnian ( ) @ 2.7
19 70.7% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 29.3% Bosnian ( ) @ 2.72
20 71.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 28.6% Serb_BH ( ) @ 2.73

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 5.26 Pct
Siberian 1.14 Pct
Northwest_African 0.31 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.32 Pct
North_European 52.85 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.44 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 12.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: OMZ
2.71902556 Sorb_Lusatia
3.02526032 Slovak
3.66599236 Ukrainian
6.01659372 Rus_Smolensk
6.21975884 PL_Mazovia
6.24091339 Hungarians
6.86053205 Belorussian
7.23768609 Rus_Kostroma
8.54988889 Southwest_Rus
8.58974388 Slovenian

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.7435% / 0.74350644 | ADC: 0.5x
41.2 Slovak
30.6 Ukrainian
28.2 Sorb_Lusatia

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.6619% / 0.66185214 | ADC: 0.25x
38.8 Slovak
31.4 Ukrainian
29.2 Sorb_Lusatia
0.4 Komi
0.2 Saudis

Scandal
08-11-2020, 05:15 PM
I have a "gedmatch relative" that has a Ukrainian name and k13 models him as 75%ukrainan+25% swedish or something. He may be from USA, Canada or something though. However if I remember correctly given name was also Ukrainian.

Lucas
08-13-2020, 09:12 AM
Strange in Eurogenes cslcs looks like his Swiss part was Swiss italian with some Jewish.
GERMAN submerged completely.

Lucas
08-13-2020, 09:15 AM
And post his k36. I will check.

Scandal
08-13-2020, 09:46 AM
Interesting GM results: East Slavic with Western Euro ancestry
To be honest this guy is typical east slav judging by his north atlantic to baltic ratio on k13. Personally I don't find him interesting.

Leto
08-13-2020, 10:22 AM
Strange in Eurogenes cslcs looks like his Swiss part was Swiss italian with some Jewish.
GERMAN submerged completely.


To be honest this guy is typical east slav judging by his north atlantic to baltic ratio on k13. Personally I don't find him interesting.
It's the first time I see someone with Swiss ancestry in this region. Volga German is less surprising.

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.33 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.92 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.53 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 21.64 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 18.07 Pct
Fennoscandian 9.03 Pct
French 0.78 Pct
Iberian 6.21 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.95 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.04 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 10.36 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.52 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.60 Pc

Ion Basescul
08-13-2020, 10:41 AM
As expected, at 1/4 level nothing of his Swiss and German ancestry remains. It's definitely there and he will get matches, but on autosomal calculators the admixture is fully absorbed into the dominant ancestry.

17571imre
08-13-2020, 10:54 AM
As expected, at 1/4 level nothing of his Swiss and German ancestry remains. It's definitely there and he will get matches, but on autosomal calculators the admixture is fully absorbed into the dominant ancestry.

i have the same thing on calculators. my Dutch side seems to be not there at most of them. on k13 i plot as Hungarian Szekely and on k15 i plot as Hungarian_Romania. it looks like i have the average Germanic for a Hungarian.

Ion Basescul
08-13-2020, 10:59 AM
i have the same thing on calculators. my Dutch side seems to be not there at most of them. on k13 i plot as Hungarian Szekely and on k15 i plot as Hungarian_Romania. it looks like i have the average Germanic for a Hungarian.

It's nothing too wild really, at least for people of European ancestry. My Ukrainian side also completely blends within the Moldovan/Romanian mix, so I am not an outlier compared to unmixed folk.
It sticks out only when the grandparent with exotic ancestry is significantly different from the rest of the ancestry.

Lucas
08-13-2020, 02:31 PM
As expected, at 1/4 level nothing of his Swiss and German ancestry remains. It's definitely there and he will get matches, but on autosomal calculators the admixture is fully absorbed into the dominant ancestry.

It seems Gwrman was absorbed fully. And from Swiss what was left was southern element only.

Leto
08-13-2020, 02:36 PM
And why are you ignoring this?

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.7435% / 0.74350644 | ADC: 0.5x
41.2 Slovak
30.6 Ukrainian
28.2 Sorb_Lusatia

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.6619% / 0.66185214 | ADC: 0.25x
38.8 Slovak
31.4 Ukrainian
29.2 Sorb_Lusatia
0.4 Komi
0.2 Saudis

Slovaks and Sorbs are not East Slavs, so this isn't really your typical Russian result.
3/4 Belorussian and 1/4 German would often result in a Polish-like genetic profile.

Lucas
08-13-2020, 02:41 PM
And why are you ignoring this?

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.7435% / 0.74350644 | ADC: 0.5x
41.2 Slovak
30.6 Ukrainian
28.2 Sorb_Lusatia

Target: OMZ
Distance: 0.6619% / 0.66185214 | ADC: 0.25x
38.8 Slovak
31.4 Ukrainian
29.2 Sorb_Lusatia
0.4 Komi
0.2 Saudis

Slovaks and Sorbs are not East Slavs, so this isn't really your typical Russian result.
3/4 Belorussian and 1/4 German would often result in a Polish-like genetic profile.

Not ignoring. Just not sure Dodecad works better for someone wirh only Euro adnixtures than k13 or k15.